**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 11 02:59:58 2011
May 11 04:26:54 <iekku> morning
May 11 04:36:05 <pixelgeek> good night...
May 11 08:13:58 <chouchoune> A friend of mine which went to "Solution Linux" and saw Intel's Meego stand told me that there would be an Intel Appup event about Meego in june in Paris
May 11 08:14:06 <chouchoune> any information about this ?
May 11 08:14:22 <Stskeeps> check the appup sites?
May 11 08:15:10 <arfoll> chouchoune, appdeveloper.intel.com/events - hurry it's tommorow
May 11 08:15:21 <thiago> tomorrow's not June
May 11 08:15:42 <chouchoune> arfoll: no I'm not speaking of this
May 11 08:15:46 <chouchoune> I can't go tomorrow
May 11 08:15:59 <chouchoune> but someone from Intel told him that there would be something in June
May 11 08:16:07 <arfoll> says may12, theres one in june too
May 11 08:16:19 <chouchoune> ok, "Coming doon"
May 11 08:16:23 <chouchoune> thanks
May 11 08:16:37 <arfoll> thiago, you had me worried on the month...
May 11 08:16:43 <chouchoune> I'm not leaving in Paris so it's a bit difficult for tomorrow ;)
May 11 08:17:28 <thiago> arfoll: thought you had missed the meegoconf? :-)
May 11 08:18:01 * arfoll arghhh
May 11 08:55:16 <clbr> lbt: I wrote on the mailing that I'd volunteer to take care of the wiki reorganization. should I organize something in advance apart from planning? (I'll be in SF on friday, 19th, so I'll be able to buy some stickies or whatever)
May 11 08:56:50 <lbt> clbr: I think it makes sense to prepare
May 11 08:57:24 <lbt> scoping out a room, materials (printer, paper etc)
May 11 08:57:52 <lbt> also planning targetted activities (maybe wait to schedule them)
May 11 08:57:53 <clbr> lbt: who should I contact for this?
May 11 08:57:57 <lbt> mailing list
May 11 08:58:07 <lbt> Dawn, Amy etc
May 11 08:58:51 <lbt> dneary too of course ...
May 11 08:59:09 <dneary> lbt?
May 11 08:59:24 <dneary> clbr, The question is: what infrastructure do you need?
May 11 08:59:30 * lbt introduces dave to the backlog :)
May 11 08:59:43 <dneary> If you want (say) a box of magnets & a big metal wall, that'll be hard to do
May 11 08:59:56 * lbt will bring wool
May 11 08:59:57 <dneary> If you want drawing pins & a cork wall, also
May 11 09:00:07 <lbt> aw
May 11 09:00:11 <clbr> dneary: I'd say a fast printer, paper, and a wall
May 11 09:00:17 <dneary> But if we can get by with sellotape & sticky notes...
May 11 09:00:36 <dneary> clbr, A fast printer, you say? ...
May 11 09:00:43 <dneary> Paper & a wall should be easy
May 11 09:00:57 <dneary> Printer not so much
May 11 09:01:04 <dneary> We should ask Amy
May 11 09:01:06 <clbr> I'll write up a more detailled plan later today. I think more of a pass-by-thing than a scheduled session, as we should have lot's of input.
May 11 09:01:09 <dneary> I have no power & budget
May 11 09:01:42 <dneary> Yes - a detailed plan with a list of requirements is a prerequisite. And if there is a budget requirement it is possible that the answer will be no.
May 11 09:01:51 <dneary> But that's not my decision to make
May 11 09:02:09 <dneary> But I am all for the idea & we'll see what can be done
May 11 09:02:25 <clbr> we'll see, great
May 11 09:02:47 <clbr> thx so far
May 11 10:46:17 <achipa> don't tell me meego core 1.1 has qt 4.7.0...
May 11 10:46:48 <Stskeeps> only one available there, i think
May 11 10:53:19 <achipa> duh, and it doesn't even have the qtquickcompat trick of the N900, so have to redo everything with import Qt4.7... ugh
May 11 11:34:03 <lbt> ericlr: ping
May 11 11:55:03 <ericlr> lbt: pong
May 11 11:55:23 <lbt> https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16881#c17
May 11 11:55:26 <MeeGoBot> Bug 16881 nor, Undecided, ---, eric.le-roux, ASSI, Doesn't comment or action bugs
May 11 11:55:37 <lbt> been watching?
May 11 11:58:37 <ericlr> lbt: yes, all the time ;)
May 11 11:58:54 <lbt> ericlr: so ... can you be around a bit over the next 20min
May 11 11:59:03 <lbt> and we'll run a full demo
May 11 11:59:34 <ericlr> yes I'm here
May 11 11:59:39 <ericlr> cool
May 11 11:59:54 <lbt> Sage: you too?
May 11 12:00:01 <ericlr> do you need me to test/push anything to obs for testing?
May 11 12:00:01 <lbt> then we can push it to DE
May 11 12:00:09 <ericlr> perfect!
May 11 12:01:39 <lbt> can you review this: http://pastie.org/1888672
May 11 12:01:55 <lbt> read it as pseudo-code and consider the logic
May 11 12:02:19 <lbt> Sage: you too
May 11 12:02:41 <Sage> o/
May 11 12:03:17 <Sage> archs is missing armv8el
May 11 12:03:28 <Sage> ah, for 1.1
May 11 12:03:51 <lbt> Sage: that is 2 errors :)
May 11 12:05:11 <lbt> could explain why check_package_built_at_source is not answering yes (but we ignore it for now)
May 11 12:06:17 <phaeron> me ?
May 11 12:06:24 <ericlr> logic seems fine from bug pov though you might want an extra check to comment only if the bug is already set as FIXED and/or if the bug is resolved as something else than FIXED or verified or closed
May 11 12:07:06 <lbt> ericlr: OK
May 11 12:07:50 <phaeron> ericlr: it might not be set as FIXED beforehand , because nothing does so currently , right ?
May 11 12:08:02 <lbt> was just looking at that
May 11 12:08:23 <lbt> so it comments no matter what when :Testing SR mentions a bug
May 11 12:08:37 <ericlr> phareon: I'd like to get status changed to resolved FIXED automatically
May 11 12:08:51 <phaeron> ericlr: ok at what stage ?
May 11 12:08:57 <phaeron> which step :)
May 11 12:09:02 <lbt> ericlr:  it sets (whithout checking) to FIXED/RESOLVED when the SR is to :Trunk
May 11 12:09:10 <phaeron> yep
May 11 12:09:16 <ericlr> lbt: yes that's good
May 11 12:09:27 <lbt> line ~41
May 11 12:11:00 * Sage is not familiar enough with Ruby to say much about that more :/
May 11 12:11:18 <Sage> I probably should do some Ruby stuff to get more familiar with the syntax.
May 11 12:11:19 <ericlr> but when you submit request you should have a failure if 1 - no bug/feature change is present in the changelog 2 - the bug/feature is already in Verified/Closed or Duplicate/invalid etc status eg: anything else but opened or fixed
May 11 12:11:34 <lbt> Sage: meh ... treat it as pseudo-code
May 11 12:11:53 <lbt> oh yeah the only crap bit is the _if block
May 11 12:12:00 <ericlr> lbt: yes, it works :P
May 11 12:12:16 <lbt> first line is true, 2nd is false... eww
May 11 12:12:21 <ericlr> I can pseudo read pseudo code 8-)
May 11 12:14:37 <lbt> *g*
May 11 12:22:56 <ericlr> lbt: so the lack of check when SR is to :Trunk is intentional?
May 11 12:23:10 <ericlr> lbt: or am I asking too much?
May 11 12:24:34 <lbt> ericlr: probably need to take http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition/BOSS#Bug_Lifecycle
May 11 12:24:43 <lbt> and expand step 5
May 11 12:25:13 <ericlr> lbt: ok, I'll try to be explicit...
May 11 12:25:35 <lbt> there is an 'if' in that line ... does it apply to (records acceptance with comment and bug status is automatically changed to FIXED) or just (bug status is automatically changed to FIXED)
May 11 12:26:22 <lbt> thanks - we need to convert these statements into code now ... so we need to be more nit-picky :)
May 11 12:32:33 <ericlr> lbt: IMHO, if bug status else than new, assigned, need_info, reopened, waiting for upstream  or resolution else than fixed then the request MUST fail
May 11 12:33:20 <ericlr> lbt: if changelog doesn't contain "fixes bmc #1234;" request also fails
May 11 12:33:47 <lbt> ericlr: now I agree... but Sage and co aren't ready yet
May 11 12:34:10 <Sage> :nod:
May 11 12:34:15 <Sage> not yet :)
May 11 12:34:58 <ericlr> ehe :)
May 11 12:35:13 <lbt> we have a 'check' called "check_mentions_bug"
May 11 12:35:24 <lbt> but not implemented yet
May 11 12:35:30 <ericlr> ok
May 11 12:36:26 <lbt> add to http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition/BOSS#BOSS_Checks on the same page
May 11 12:36:40 <lbt> when you edit point 5 ;)
May 11 12:37:32 <ericlr> lbt: trying to log into the wiki and it fails… Dunno what's wrong...
May 11 12:39:02 <ericlr> aaahhh, now I'm in
May 11 12:39:14 <lbt> phew
May 11 12:40:44 <arfoll> lbt, on the subject of SRs could something be done to automatically reject all SRs from packages that don't build?
May 11 12:42:04 <lbt> you mean a test like check_package_built_at_source ?  http://pastie.org/1888672  line 76
May 11 12:42:55 <lbt> arfoll: note that that's a complex bit of specification when you get down to it
May 11 12:43:20 <Venemo_N900> alterego, ping
May 11 12:43:23 <alterego> Hello
May 11 12:43:29 <lbt> a package that builds against Debian5/arm5  isn't much use on x86_64/MeeGo
May 11 12:43:35 <alterego> Make it quick, gotta head off in 20 minutes :P
May 11 12:43:47 <alterego> Final meeting for my now finished contract.
May 11 12:43:54 <alterego> System has been deployed, final invoice written.
May 11 12:43:57 * alterego starts quaking.
May 11 12:43:59 <lbt> arfoll: also... what if it builds against 1 of 2 targets
May 11 12:44:13 <lbt> maybe the other is a fail or a disable?
May 11 12:44:14 <arfoll> lbt, in that case those targets should be disabled
May 11 12:44:43 <lbt> is it supposed to be disabled (ie check pkgdb/architecture DB for targets)
May 11 12:44:53 <lbt> so clearly we're doing it :)
May 11 12:45:33 <lbt> but as we move on we get more interesting questions and then move to "what's the authoritative source" ... ie a pkgDB (REVS) ... and who manages it
May 11 12:46:36 <alterego> Venemo_N900: ?
May 11 12:47:28 <ericlr> lbt: ok I appended details to 2 for changelog entry and 6, 7 are added to give needed granularity on the checks
May 11 12:47:50 <ericlr> lbt: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition/BOSS#Bug_Lifecycle
May 11 12:49:14 <lbt> ta - and can you add to checks if you want more there
May 11 12:49:33 <lbt> oh, it's in 2
May 11 12:50:01 <lbt> probably should be in both :)
May 11 12:52:54 <ericlr> lbt: yes, I think that the check could be returned to the request submitter explaining that whether changelog misses bug/feat reference and secondly bug/feat isn't in expected status/resolution?
May 11 12:53:06 <ericlr> lbt: does it sound realistic?
May 11 12:53:24 <ericlr> I mean the console msg?
May 11 12:53:26 <lbt> yes
May 11 12:53:39 <lbt> the first part is easy
May 11 12:53:41 <ericlr> it needs to be friendly ;)
May 11 12:53:43 <lbt> the 2nd ....
May 11 12:54:14 <ericlr> 2nd is harder?
May 11 12:55:21 <ericlr> eventually we could limit expected status to opened (new, assigned, needinfo, reopened & waiting) if this is easier?
May 11 12:56:03 <ericlr> though I think practically if developer wants to manually set bug to fixed the machinery shouldn't prevent
May 11 12:56:19 <ericlr> lbt: oh, BRB...
May 11 12:56:30 <phaeron> ericlr: so at least we agree that v0.1 is ok
May 11 12:56:34 <phaeron> bleh
May 11 12:57:24 <thiago> arfoll: maybe you want to talk to these guys now: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/bof-media-center-meego
May 11 12:57:44 * lbt goes to wrap blankets around his head to minimise mess when it explodes
May 11 12:59:03 <arfoll> thiago, thanks for the link, i will
May 11 13:02:09 <Venemo_N900> alterego, are you familiar with how to translate a qt app?
May 11 13:16:59 * CosmoHill 's mirror of choice seems to be corrupted
May 11 13:21:40 <icq> hey guys
May 11 13:21:58 <icq> do you know how can I install the gstreamer stuff to play mp3s?
May 11 13:22:09 <icq> which repo should I add?
May 11 13:28:13 <tomeu> icq: if you end up finding a repo, please update the wiki :) http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Netbook_FAQ#How_do_I_install_additional_codecs_.28MP3.2C_etc..29
May 11 13:29:13 <icq> tomeu, I wonder if the fedora ones would work
May 11 13:32:24 <tomeu> worth trying
May 11 14:34:50 * CosmoHill got a quad core computer for £20 :D
May 11 14:36:34 <berndhs> does it work ?
May 11 14:36:37 <CosmoHill> yeah
May 11 14:37:01 <CosmoHill> it came with the worst dual core intel celeron there was and I had been given a Q6600 a few months ago
May 11 14:37:11 <berndhs> is it stolen ?
May 11 14:37:23 <CosmoHill> nope, mate's old family pc
May 11 14:37:33 <berndhs> ah
May 11 14:37:43 <CosmoHill> http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?p=486333#post486333 << specs
May 11 14:39:11 <CosmoHill> funny enough my last desktop PC was also there old family PC that they just gave to me
May 11 14:39:39 <CosmoHill> one thing that really annoys me about computer makers is that they make a spec that is "vista / 7 compatable" and then go below that
May 11 14:40:01 <CosmoHill> the computer has 1GB of RAM which is Vista compatible but 256MB of that is used by the onboard graphics
May 11 14:42:34 <CosmoHill> kinda like saying a computer is MeeGo compatible because it has an Intel HD onboard graphics card but selling it with a nVidia PCI-E graphics card. Whilst technically compatible it's not really what was inteded
May 11 14:52:04 <gabrbedd> CosmoHill: Actually... are those even compatible??  I've had a hell of a time trying to make linux work on a dual-mode graphics board.
May 11 14:53:32 <CosmoHill> on a desktop, if you install PCI-E graphics it disabled the onboard graphics
May 11 14:53:50 <CosmoHill> you talking about laptops with 2 graphics chips?
May 11 14:56:40 <berndhs> why does it disable the onboard ? so you can't have a dual-head desktop without buying another graphics card ?
May 11 14:57:24 <gabrbedd> CosmoHill: Yeah.
May 11 14:57:32 <CosmoHill> I thought all motherboards disabled the onboard graphics when an add-on card is avaiable
May 11 14:57:51 <CosmoHill> my desktop is a retard, you have a choice of "disabled" or 25% system RAM
May 11 14:57:53 <berndhs> yes mine does that, I'm just wondering why
May 11 14:58:11 <gabrbedd> CosmoHill: I dunno... never had the luxury.  But I think it's generally an option to disable the on-board.
May 11 14:58:54 <CosmoHill> for the record, nearly all my hardware is second hand / freebies
May 11 15:00:01 <CosmoHill> my old desktop with AGP disabled the onboard graphics when using a new graphics card
May 11 15:00:25 <CosmoHill> but it doesn't disable the audio or NIC when a PCI sound card / NIC is added
May 11 15:01:32 <CosmoHill> hey TSCHAKeee
May 11 15:01:38 <gabrbedd> CosmoHill: Most of my stuff is 2nd-hand as well. :-)
May 11 15:01:39 <TSCHAKeee> hey
May 11 15:02:24 <berndhs> a lot of my stuff is composed of old dead machines
May 11 15:02:30 <CosmoHill> tbh I need to go down the dump and get rid of a lot of stuff
May 11 15:02:53 <CosmoHill> excluding my cluster I think I'm in the teens
May 11 15:04:01 <CosmoHill> there's 10 in sight from my desk
May 11 15:36:37 <ScriptRipper> ping lbt
May 11 15:41:37 <lbt> ScriptRipper: pong
May 11 15:41:51 <lbt> so.. we are aiming to do a BOSS 0,2 release RSN
May 11 15:43:54 <ScriptRipper> lbt, can you help me with some LDAP config issue ?
May 11 16:28:31 <alterego> Can anyone tell me where the graphics are for meego ux components.
May 11 16:36:21 <gabrbedd> alterego: You mean like PNG's and SVG's ?
May 11 16:37:04 <alterego> Yeah, found 'em
May 11 16:37:11 <alterego> Silly numbered directories under /usr/share/thtmes/
May 11 16:37:14 <alterego> ~themes
May 11 16:37:45 <gabrbedd> alterego: yep.
May 11 16:38:30 <gabrbedd> alterego: Looks like the folder under themes/ is determined by the gconf key /meego/ux/theme
May 11 16:41:02 <alterego> Okay, thanks :)
May 11 16:45:12 <alterego> Anyone know how to get icons from the theme?
May 11 16:45:35 <alterego> "image://themedimage/icons/*" isn't working for me :/
May 11 16:49:19 <alterego> Oh, different to looking for images ..
May 11 16:49:37 * alterego wishes someone would actually document meego-ux-components ..
May 11 16:54:32 <Stskeeps> alterego: a lot of stuff on wiki i think, and a style doc exists
May 11 16:58:41 <npm> google io talking about angry birds on the web right now
May 11 17:00:27 <npm> http://www.google.com/events/io/2011/index-live.html
May 11 17:01:53 * wmarone__ chuckles at Andy Rubin's utter dismissal of the community
May 11 17:03:00 <lbt> thiago: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/call-session-proposals
May 11 17:04:14 <dm8tbr> wmarone__: it remains to be seen if MeeGo will fare _that_ much better...
May 11 17:04:47 <dm8tbr> *cough* tablet-ux *cough* reveal mentality *cough*
May 11 17:04:58 <lbt> dm8tbr: :)
May 11 17:06:10 <dm8tbr> and don't get me started on my pet peeve: compliance - both projects have a lot of homework there
May 11 17:06:49 <alterego> Can't seem to find anything on image://systemicon
May 11 17:43:00 <CosmoHill> sweet, Reading vs Cardiff on sky sports :D
May 11 17:44:41 <RST38h> Who are these two guys? Are they boxers? =)
May 11 17:44:56 <CosmoHill> hehe, football teams
May 11 17:44:58 * RST38h preventively hides
May 11 17:46:42 <berndhs>  something left to play for ?
May 11 17:47:06 <CosmoHill> we play two matches, one at each ground, winner gets promoted
May 11 17:47:25 <berndhs> ah interesting for real
May 11 17:49:14 <GAN900> You know why they have football riots, right?
May 11 17:49:44 <CosmoHill> cos people take sport to seriously?
May 11 17:50:00 <RST38h> No, because people need SOME reason to riot.
May 11 17:50:13 <CosmoHill> I'm a student, I already got reasons
May 11 17:50:17 <GAN900> No, because the game's so boring you need something to fill time with. :P
May 11 17:50:34 <RST38h> GAN: Why ain't there golf and baseball riots then?
May 11 17:51:35 <berndhs> rhythmic gymnatics riots, figure skating riots,...
May 11 17:51:56 <Stskeeps> RST38h: Tiger Woods was a one-man riot
May 11 17:51:57 <Stskeeps> :P
May 11 17:52:04 <gabrbedd> RST38h: There are baseball riots in Boston.
May 11 17:53:05 <berndhs> how violent are cricket riots ?
May 11 17:54:15 <RST38h> gabrbedd: ah, the city never fails to deliver
May 11 17:54:25 <RST38h> chess riots would be cute
May 11 17:55:38 <timakima> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_boxing not necessarily
May 11 17:56:21 <GAN900> RST38h, because we're not Europeans. :P
May 11 17:56:37 <GAN900> gabrbedd, more Philly than Boston.
May 11 17:57:12 <berndhs> one of the most fun concepts are the pacifist peace riots
May 11 18:11:09 <RST38h> emo vs. goths
May 11 18:12:07 <RST38h> (canvas, paint, makeup)
May 11 18:25:50 <gandhijee> hey quick question, how do i get rpmbuild to ignore whitespace ?? i tried %patch -p1 -l and that doesn't work
May 11 18:28:52 <arfoll> gandhijee, use a .rpmlintrc file with the ignores you want if you really can't fix the error/warning
May 11 18:29:27 <gandhijee> arfoll: these are for some bad patches...  it fails to apply the patch right now
May 11 18:29:42 <gandhijee> i can apply them by hand using patch -p1 -l < PATCHNAME
May 11 18:30:17 <arfoll> gandhijee, damn i read rpmlint not rpmbuild sorry - ignore all my comments
May 11 18:30:26 <arfoll> must be getting late
May 11 18:30:28 <gandhijee> its cool
May 11 18:31:05 <gandhijee> i had some guy from the fedora room trolling me insisting that -w is a valid option for rpmbuild
May 11 19:44:43 <thiago_home> DawnFoster: ping
May 11 19:44:57 <thiago_home> DawnFoster: will we have a TSG meeting in 10 hours?
May 11 19:45:06 <thiago_home> DawnFoster: the agenda says "TBD" and "AOB" for now
May 11 19:47:11 <Stskeeps> wasn't it first on 18th?
May 11 19:47:14 <Stskeeps> or something like that
May 11 19:47:24 <Stskeeps> (19th, i guess..)
May 11 19:47:38 <Stskeeps> given the release of 1.2
May 11 19:55:53 <alterego> Also .. When will rooms be sorted for conf?
May 11 19:56:04 <alterego> I was under the impression we'd get an email about room sharing
May 11 19:58:26 <npm> here have meego 1.2 x86 binary: http://nielsmayer.com/meego/ytapi-jsonviewer
May 11 19:59:18 <npm> (wondering if that tiny lil binary actually has all the stuff needed to run)
May 11 20:02:55 <npm> hedges bets by doing qml programming while watching google IO talking about andrdoid UI "fragments" to support difft screen sizes
May 11 20:03:34 <lbt> thiago_home: any info about the event layout yet? I need to arrange to meet someone ... is there a 'meeting point' ?
May 11 20:04:08 <Stskeeps> lbt: hacker's loungue, maybe
May 11 20:04:33 <thiago_home> Stskeeps: oops, tomorrow isn't the 19th
May 11 20:04:37 <thiago_home> my bad
May 11 20:04:48 <thiago_home> lbt: the map of the hyatt is on the wiki
May 11 20:04:55 <thiago_home> there are several floors
May 11 20:05:05 <thiago_home> I recommend the café on the third floor
May 11 20:05:12 <lbt> Stskeeps: Head of AppUp ... maybe not ... :)
May 11 20:05:41 <lbt> if he actually *saw* us...
May 11 20:05:54 <GAN900> lbt, over by the bathrooms, then?
May 11 20:06:12 <lbt> thiago_home: thanks
May 11 20:07:04 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011#Hyatt_Space_details
May 11 20:07:06 <DawnFoster> thiago_home: no TSG meeting today
May 11 20:07:21 <DawnFoster> we don't really have any agenda items - we'll pick back up after the conference
May 11 20:07:36 <DawnFoster> I updated the TSG page on the wiki
May 11 20:08:18 <Stskeeps> any news on the updated governance?
May 11 20:08:40 <DawnFoster> we're letting things settle down a little more before updating governance
May 11 20:08:43 <Stskeeps> :nod:
May 11 20:08:55 <DawnFoster> people are still shuffling jobs
May 11 20:09:31 <RST38h> npm: Android does not automatically adjust to the screen size?
May 11 20:09:38 <Stskeeps> good for my talk, i don't have to do any changes because of changed governance then ;)
May 11 20:09:46 * Stskeeps can enjoy nice calm holiday then
May 11 20:11:29 <mihero> change of governance?
May 11 20:12:02 <Stskeeps> i guess updated is more accurate
May 11 20:12:56 <mihero> meaning what, seems that i have missed something
May 11 20:13:32 <GAN900> mihero, Elopocalypse.
May 11 20:14:09 <thiago_home> that was hard to miss
May 11 20:14:25 <mihero> ah, I thought something more resent
May 11 20:14:40 <Stskeeps> mihero: long story short many people have changed jobs/left their positions/new people in charge of some areas/new priorities by some companies, so the governance pages on meego.com is really out of date :)
May 11 20:14:41 <GAN900> mihero, nope, still blood on the floor from February.
May 11 20:14:41 <mihero> I noticed that one for sure
May 11 20:15:05 <GAN900> Has anybody noted the fact on the page?
May 11 20:15:06 <mihero> ah, ok
May 11 20:15:17 <GAN900> Or does it still pretend to be up-to-date?
May 11 20:15:21 <npm> RST38h: no. you have to write app using fragments api
May 11 20:16:31 * mikhas reckons a news entry such as "An update from Ryan: This page is NOT up to date!"
May 11 20:17:40 <mikhas> Stskeeps, it doesn't help when now ex-Nokias dont/cant read their emails to hand over stuff properly
May 11 20:18:03 <Stskeeps> mikhas: yeah.. that's where bug triaging comes in
May 11 20:18:27 <npm> RST38h: watch it yerself :-) http://www.google.com/events/io/2011/index-live.html
May 11 20:20:09 <Stskeeps> mikhas: that's why it's sometimes good to keep a 'company' mail and a 'open particiption' email :P
May 11 20:20:58 <mikhas> yup
May 11 20:21:08 <mikhas> or rather, one stable email account
May 11 20:21:40 <mikhas> too bad if you work for companies you demand you to use certain email addresses, and make a fuzz about contributions in your spare time
May 11 20:22:08 <mikhas> *that demand you to ...
May 11 20:22:09 <alterego> Were Nokia such a company?
May 11 20:22:16 <alterego> s/Were/Are/Will be/ :)
May 11 20:22:43 <smoku> mikhas, if you work for a company there is no 'spare time work' unless your company explicitly allows for it
May 11 20:22:44 <mikeleib> mikhas: hah.  it's more like the stupid exchange server transposes spaces and tabs and mangles your patches
May 11 20:23:15 <mikhas> smoku, yup, that kind of crap
May 11 20:23:32 <lbt> smoku: depends what regime you live in
May 11 20:23:36 <mikhas> and I bet it's not overtime, either
May 11 20:23:56 <smoku> lbt, most western culture countries have these laws
May 11 20:24:13 <mikhas> lbt, it's a complex legal issue, copyright and such stuff - does the employee use knowledge he gained during company times in his hobby projects?
May 11 20:24:18 <lbt> smoku: not by default in the UK AFAIK
May 11 20:24:27 <lbt> mikhas: vice-versa
May 11 20:24:29 <mikeleib> and your patches get rejected and you get ridiculed in public
May 11 20:24:51 <mikhas> lbt, I know, but try to explain *that*
May 11 20:24:57 <smoku> lbt, some might say UK is not western culture ;-)
May 11 20:24:59 <lbt> it's insane... "5 years experience required"
May 11 20:25:01 <lbt> rofl
May 11 20:25:08 <lbt> smoku: indeed
May 11 20:25:24 <RST38h> Stskeeps: What is the problem?Unicode is supposed to have a character for the tombstone, just start adding those to people names on that page!
May 11 20:25:30 <mikhas> mikeleib, mean. what about sending encrypted patches :-D
May 11 20:25:34 <smoku> lbt, or should I say - roman culture.  the resistance for the empire was very strong. :)
May 11 20:25:52 <lbt> smoku: it's mainly US law though
May 11 20:25:59 <lbt> and anywhere the US writes the law
May 11 20:26:01 <mikeleib> mikhas: encrypted patches to an open source project??? who would be recipient ??
May 11 20:26:03 <lbt> like EU
May 11 20:26:07 <lbt> and australia
May 11 20:26:15 <mikeleib> mikhas: defeats purpose of sending patches to oss project
May 11 20:27:23 <smoku> right. (c) law was copy-pasted here ;-)
May 11 20:28:27 <mikhas> mikeleib, if one were crazy enough one could set up the project's ML to decode it ... but man, only to defeat whitespace mangling, hehe
May 11 20:30:31 <thiago_home> mikeleib: oh, something occurred to me about x32:
May 11 20:30:38 <thiago_home> mikeleib: maybe we should bring back the FAR pointers :-)
May 11 20:30:51 <mikeleib> ;/
May 11 20:46:46 <gabrbedd> thiago_home: so, what's the hungarian notation for a long far pointer to a null-terminated wide-character string?
May 11 20:48:32 <thiago_home> lpwsz I guess
May 11 20:48:52 <w00t_> hungarian notation makes me a sad panda
May 11 20:49:02 <thiago_home> the "lp" in Windows API is actually from far pointers
May 11 20:49:04 <w00t_> apart from duck typed languages
May 11 20:49:46 <gabrbedd> hrm... i expected flpwsz
May 11 20:49:49 <thiago_home> lpwsz or lpwcsz
May 11 20:49:54 <thiago_home> gabrbedd: a pointer can't be long
May 11 20:49:58 <thiago_home> it can be near or far only
May 11 20:50:03 <thiago_home> so the "l" already stands for far
May 11 20:50:11 <gabrbedd> ah
May 11 20:50:47 <gabrbedd> a long pointer (erm, no)... in a memory far, far away...
May 11 20:51:32 <gabrbedd> w00t_: Yes, I too dislike HN.  About the only one I do is "_" to the front of member variables.
May 11 20:51:33 <thiago_home> http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/declarations.html
May 11 20:52:09 <thiago_home> long long ago; galaxy * far * far away;
May 11 20:52:56 <gabrbedd> thiago_home: LOL, those are great!
May 11 20:54:02 * thiago_home is still trying to insert "long long ago" in his code somewhere
May 11 20:54:36 <w00t_> thiago_home: QElapsedTimer would have been a great opportunity for that
May 11 21:11:35 <DocScrutinizer> anyone Nokia around?
May 11 21:12:44 <ahf> Everyone that matches the hostmask *!*@nat/nokia/* :D
May 11 21:13:11 <DocScrutinizer> my client doesn't allow to search for that regex
May 11 21:14:01 <thiago_home> *!*@nat/trolltech/* is also Nokia
May 11 21:14:29 <DocScrutinizer> which is rather funny
May 11 21:15:22 <thiago_home> what is?
May 11 21:16:00 <CosmoHill> cyas
May 11 21:20:26 <mikeleib> auke_: can you set a 1.2 target for your home:auke:xfce48 project on cbuild.meego.com ?
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