**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 14 02:59:58 2011 May 14 04:46:33 well, finally did it May 14 04:47:11 got my tablet booting quintuple booting May 14 04:47:29 had to scrap extlinux and just reconfigure grub under slackware May 14 04:47:52 I really like the meego tablet interface, its just lacking a unifying bar May 14 04:48:04 my "home" button on the tablet only partially works May 14 04:48:22 and why are a few screens in portrait, when everything else is landscape (eg the applications list) May 14 04:52:27 shinkamui: what do you mean by "my 'home' button... only partially works" ? May 14 04:54:50 hey gabrbedd man you're always around and helpful :) May 14 04:54:52 so I have 3 buttons May 14 04:55:06 a power button, a home button, and a bakc button (which actually turns off wifi in an unpatched kernel) May 14 04:55:14 :-) Not for log... about to hit the hay. May 14 04:55:20 the home button sometimes takes me back to the layers page, and then another hit shows apps May 14 04:55:28 sometimes May 14 04:55:47 in some apps, it doesn't do anything unless I hold it for a while, which who knows what key thats simulating May 14 04:56:01 anyway, its not a huge deal, I just miss the netbook interface on my tablet May 14 04:56:13 but no reason to switch if I wont be able to use netbook without a keyboard May 14 04:56:20 shinkamui: sounds a little like bug # 17002 May 14 04:56:23 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17002 maj, Medium, ---, rusty.lynch, RESO FIXED, meego-ux-daemon can't manage apps that don't set _NET_WM_PID May 14 04:56:40 thats not a huge deal May 14 04:56:45 I think im just not used to the UI yet May 14 04:56:53 like, how do I switch between apps? May 14 04:56:59 apparently I have to go "home" first May 14 04:57:29 shinkamui: Yeah, you gotta hit your "home" button 2x to get to the app switcher. May 14 04:57:32 I think even a hidden slide down dock would be a HUGE iomprovement May 14 04:57:44 and is there a way to get the app list to show up landscape? May 14 04:57:52 I really hate having to rotate my tablet or look at the apps sideways May 14 04:58:22 shinkamui: I've seen it in landscape... not sure if it's a gconf setting or not. May 14 04:58:40 shinkamui: However, the layout doesn't always look right in landscape. May 14 04:59:03 damn May 14 04:59:07 thats really a bummer May 14 04:59:34 I'd say meego would probably get like 30/40% of the total usetime on my tablet if I wasn't soo aggravated by the launcher May 14 04:59:46 no worries May 14 04:59:59 anyway hit the sack, thanks for the help today man May 14 05:00:10 I'm not gone *just* yet. May 14 05:00:23 I finally dominated the multiboot by going back to grub May 14 05:00:25 which I know May 14 05:00:33 I spent like 2 hours trying to get extlinux working May 14 05:00:37 couldn't find very good documentation May 14 05:00:49 from what I could see, it was basically saying you needed a shared /boot May 14 05:00:52 and I don't like that May 14 05:01:04 or use chain loading May 14 05:01:08 which I also dont like May 14 05:01:17 chain loading bootloaders feels so tacky May 14 05:02:14 Actually... if you don't chainload then you have to pool all your installs into a single /boot -- and I never like that. May 14 05:02:28 So I have one be the primary... and chainload the rest. May 14 05:04:48 yea, see, thats what I figured May 14 05:04:49 screw that May 14 05:05:06 so I just booted back into slackware, then reconfigured grub and overwrote extlinux May 14 05:05:08 one bootloader May 14 05:05:22 and grub is powerful enough to load kernels on different root filesystems May 14 05:05:35 AND chainload May 14 05:06:04 I liked the way extlinux sets its configuration, reminded me of lilo May 14 05:06:45 but nastaligia isn't enough to override functionality May 14 05:07:24 nah... the deal is for me -- trying to get 3 OS's to cooperate on the issue of "who owns the grub config" May 14 05:07:48 * gabrbedd is playing with some "landscape" and "portrait" keys with meego-ux-daemon May 14 05:10:51 gabrbedd, have any idea how to get meego to sleep without using the terminal? May 14 05:10:56 doesn't seem to be a way in the ui May 14 05:11:04 pwoer button shuts her down with a tap May 14 05:11:39 No, I don't. May 14 05:12:04 so right now, meego tablet is designed to boot and poweroff only? May 14 05:12:10 wierdsauce May 14 05:12:27 shinkamui: gconftool-2 -s -t integer /meego/ux/PreferredPortraitOrientation 1 May 14 05:12:35 That sets the apps in portrait. May 14 05:13:03 The 1 appears to be "North is the top" or something (0 is west, 2 is east, etc.) May 14 05:14:50 Oh yeah, gotta `pkill uxlaunch` after you do it. May 14 05:14:52 or reboot. May 14 05:17:49 perfect gabrbedd May 14 05:17:51 works nicely now May 14 05:17:54 thinks look "right" May 14 05:21:01 shinkamui: To change the size of icons and stuff... May 14 05:21:14 edit /usr/share/meego-ux-appgrid/AppIcon.qml May 14 05:21:43 gabrbedd, might be a silly question May 14 05:21:50 but where do I get more meego software in tablet edition? May 14 05:21:57 do I just use zypper? May 14 05:22:05 yep... zypper May 14 05:22:05 which is fine when I have a keyboard May 14 05:22:16 but not too useful to use terminal as I can't activate the soft keyboard May 14 05:23:06 yep. May 14 05:23:11 kek,sdf May 14 05:33:33 shinkamui: good night! May 14 05:39:35 ignight buddy! May 14 05:57:05 morning May 14 06:26:46 hi. got meego running. how do i install appup store or, where are programs? May 14 06:27:13 i also hear i can installma version of dalvik. how can i do this. thanks May 14 06:29:40 is appup not for meego netbook? May 14 06:29:51 hmmm May 14 06:30:08 I think as far as intel is concerned, netbook is dead May 14 06:30:17 but YMMV May 14 06:30:56 also intel seems to target 1.2 so if you installed netbook 1.1. that might not work May 14 06:31:20 scottt: sth is here, those are apps mirrored from the the community obs http://apps-beta.meego.com/applications/ May 14 06:31:20 ok, thats a shame. nice system. i love the ui May 14 06:32:13 is there nightlies or something similar. or is the latest the netbook image on the website May 14 06:32:59 weekly builds and daily builds are available May 14 06:35:02 awesome, found them May 14 08:32:26 any recommendations for a nicely working tablet image for the exopc? May 14 09:11:37 Viltapi, I believe the pinetrail images are right May 14 09:11:57 Viltapi: check the wiki, I think I left a hint there May 14 09:12:16 http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/ExoPC May 14 09:23:37 bah! bug 14483 stops me from using wifi May 14 09:23:40 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14483 maj, Medium, ---, makoto.sugano, ASSI, Settings Wifi Advanced are not saved May 14 10:56:50 dm8tbr: yeah, i took that one (meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.80.2.20110514.2.img) but it seems to hang on install May 14 10:57:04 "error: package moblin-live is not installed" same for installer and pykickstart May 14 10:57:29 hi May 14 10:57:54 hello May 14 10:58:33 has anyone clues to make applications like chromium multitouch display aware in meego netbook ux ? May 14 11:12:07 * lbt and X-Fade have to do an OBS tutorial for next week - we could do with some help getting a few well-packaged demo apps for people to hack on May 14 11:38:13 Viltapi: hrrrm :( May 14 11:44:16 lbt, where are the packaging instructions then? May 14 11:44:38 lcuk: scattered over the wiki May 14 11:44:48 we kinda need to pull them together too May 14 11:44:59 but I think Niels is swamped making Apps work May 14 11:45:07 yeah May 14 11:45:19 andre was asking about wiki people May 14 12:01:34 dm8tbr: it does seem to work after i did a hardboot, but i was just wondering is something important busted May 14 12:01:55 for now, that version does seem to work quite well, definitely a lot better than the one that came with the device May 14 12:03:07 though this http://chrome.angrybirds.com/ does not work with the browser, probably because it has a really weird user agent string May 14 12:12:09 should be chrome or chromium though, weird May 14 12:12:16 maybe fake the UA string May 14 12:23:59 dammit... why zypper has almost no applications or libraries ? May 14 12:25:32 two days I have meego, and I spent half the time trying to find the applications I want, or building them... May 14 12:28:11 guyzmo, MeeGo is not standard gazilion-packages distro. MeeGo provides only a core framework for vendors to build on. May 14 12:28:47 guyzmo, you need to wait for the meego community to fill up meego-extras May 14 12:29:37 smoku - well, that's a good question, meego is a core framework or a distro ? May 14 12:30:10 it is a distribution. but intended for vendors, not for the end-user May 14 12:30:45 I attended a meego/appup showcase last thursday, and got nothing really interesting out of it... May 14 12:30:53 btw, you can also use search facility of community OBS - there is a lot of stuff already packaged there May 14 12:31:04 smoku - where is that ? May 14 12:31:18 https://build.pub.meego.com/ May 14 12:31:37 thanks May 14 12:33:30 smoku - and why didn't the meego people focus on the framework, and let the 'vendors' work out their distributions ? May 14 12:33:41 I mean, there is no reason I couldn't have meego on debian May 14 12:33:57 meego-as-a-framework-with-the-ux May 14 12:34:14 because meego is not a framework May 14 12:34:36 this is a nonsense like "have fedora on debian" May 14 12:41:24 smoku - but first things I've learned about meego is that it is a framework that is an abstraction of many standard libraries that offers a unified API for differents user experiences May 14 12:44:19 and I see no reasons that stuff has to be tied with a distribution... May 14 12:44:46 it's like the gnome or kde people telling that their UI cannot be bind to something else than their own distributions May 14 13:01:14 http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/05/12/meego-powered-nokia-n9-to-be-called-nokia-n950/ May 14 13:01:21 :) May 14 13:01:52 it seems we are going to see a meego smartphone this summer May 14 13:37:54 toniolo: Not exactly MeeGo .. May 14 13:39:31 more like maemo6 with an compat layer :) May 14 13:39:58 let's hope there will be a DE for it :D May 14 13:41:38 guyzmo, meego provides a lot of libraries and frameworks. every UX is based on different toolkit. ;-) May 14 13:42:23 guyzmo, and all these are open source. nothing stops you from porting these frameworks, libraries and toolkit for other distributions and/or operating systems May 14 13:42:47 sd May 14 13:43:06 Can install android app in meego ? May 14 13:43:57 there is alien dalvik for that, but it's not open source May 14 13:44:17 Where can i download it ? May 14 13:44:37 Can i try it ? May 14 13:45:16 Linhoo, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=alien+dalvik May 14 13:46:06 Thnx :) May 14 13:47:24 Looool May 14 13:47:41 Nice stuff let me google that May 14 13:47:55 :d May 14 13:49:26 Nokia doesn't support meego anymore ? May 14 13:49:38 yes they do May 14 13:50:31 I like meego . Maemo . Cool os thnx god for linux ! May 14 13:54:15 I candt find any alien dalvik download link but thnx for ur helps May 14 13:54:25 Have nice day babye all May 14 14:16:26 Hello everyone ! May 14 14:25:09 Is anyone willing to help me a little bit ? I'm having trouble modifying my repositories on MeeGo 1.1... May 14 14:31:14 It seems that /etc/zypp/repos.d/ is only containing adobe.repo and oss.repo May 14 14:38:37 Marneus: find the appropriate foo.repo file, and do "sudo zypper ar foo.repo" May 14 14:40:52 Am I supposed to find the repo files on the MeeGo repos site ? and if it is, which version of the repos should I take ? May 14 14:41:10 i dont know which repo you want May 14 14:46:36 well, I found a tutorial explaining how to install the on-screen virtual keayboard. i have the Lenovo S10-3t with the netbook version of meeGo preinstalled but I dont have anything like the netbook.repo nor the handset.repo in my repos.d folder May 14 14:49:50 I'm really sorry, I never used RPM based distributions before so I dont really know how to manages these repositories May 14 14:50:42 i havent read that tutorial, don't know what it says May 14 14:51:15 there isn't much to managing the repos May 14 14:51:39 there it is then http://blog.neteril.org/2010/11/19/turning-your-meego-lenovo-s10-3t-into-a-real-slate/ (sorry fot not linking it here earlier :/ ) May 14 14:56:43 Impossible May 14 14:56:49 The screen is too useless. :P May 14 14:56:59 What's wrong with it? May 14 14:57:14 Viewing angle is terrible. May 14 14:57:25 Really cheap TN panel. May 14 14:57:27 Is that all? May 14 14:57:32 :P May 14 14:57:46 I never really cared about viewing angles much May 14 14:57:55 Well, except on TV May 14 14:58:05 GAN900: gonna be in SF? :) May 14 14:58:31 First conf, think I'm going to end up calling everyone by their IRC nick names .. May 14 14:58:54 I don't think anyone knows what I look like, so I might just pretend I'm someone else. May 14 15:04:53 alterego, yes. May 14 15:05:06 alterego, problem is, it's particularly pronounced in portrait. May 14 15:05:18 Oh, lame. May 14 15:05:21 So using it as a proper slate is rather out of the question. May 14 15:06:38 GAN900: this is cool: http://www.forevergeek.com/2011/02/introducing-the-paper-like-e-ink-noteslate/ May 14 15:06:58 hi everybody, i was wondering if anyone tried to get working Alcatel X220 3g modem May 14 15:28:28 can any one tell me how can i install meego sdk on linux ? May 14 15:28:33 32 bit May 14 15:31:08 read the installation instructions and do as they say? May 14 15:31:50 not really hard, just add the packages repos and install them May 14 15:32:09 http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux May 14 16:40:03 Hi, Does anyone know how to turn DPMS off? It doesn't look like xset is installed by default, so I would like to address this under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ with a conf file -- any ideas? May 14 16:45:56 nasa: netbook image? Have you looked at the settings ui, it has a slider to disable screen blanking May 14 16:46:39 or try doing pkcon search name xset May 14 16:47:06 you'll get this package back: xorg-x11-utils-xset May 14 16:47:34 ok, will look at both of those. May 14 17:09:34 does meego require opengl to run? are there any minimum hardware specs? May 14 17:10:43 depends on which UX you want to run May 14 17:11:50 sobczyk: on the FAW May 14 17:11:53 FAQ* May 14 17:23:35 nothing specific there except it requires arm7el (cortex?) May 14 17:24:24 I'm more familar with the netbook requiresments May 14 17:25:08 sobczyk: so which architecture? ARM? May 14 17:26:19 yes ARM May 14 17:26:28 the ARM side of 1.2 will be optimized for armv7 with hardfloat and requires EGL/GLES/SGX/whatever May 14 17:26:37 I was interested what is the absolute minimum it will run on May 14 17:27:04 a N900 May 14 17:27:33 so the UX require GL? May 14 17:27:41 Stskeeps|holiday is building one for n8x0 May 14 17:27:58 sobczyk: not GL, but EGL or GLES May 14 17:28:07 sergiusens: forgot to mention, I'm using the IVI which doesn't seem to have those settings. However, installing and then adding 'xset -dpms' to my .bashrc file seems to do the trick. May 14 17:28:21 because I could build an image myself though is some userspace app limits me to having a EGL theres no other way May 14 17:36:10 now to the next issue... I have a SSD in an external usb enclosure. It is formated btfrs and I can manually mount it. I can also add a line into fstab and do a "mount -a" and it will be mounted. May 14 17:37:09 However, at bootup the drive isn't mounted by fstab, udev (I tried a rule) or udiskie (which is installed by default). Anyone have an idea why this is? May 14 17:46:24 tried unplugging it and plugging it back in May 14 17:46:42 nasa: It should be mounted by /etc/rc.sysinit around line 214 (in my current version) May 14 17:47:09 nasa: Maybe you can put something in there to help trace out what's happening. May 14 17:47:51 nasa: Also, maybe explicitly mark the mount point as `auto` in fstab May 14 17:48:23 gabrbedd: all good suggestion -- will do May 14 18:06:51 There is nothing preventing ideapad-netbook to n900-de over usb? May 14 18:18:56 hi Venemo \o May 14 18:21:40 hey lcuk o/ May 14 18:21:42 :) May 14 18:21:46 how're you doing? May 14 18:22:01 I have been learning qt quick stuff May 14 18:22:27 Qt Quick is interesting May 14 18:22:49 it probably needs more help documentation wise on the qml side May 14 18:23:51 as for me, I have had a nice walk on the Margaret island May 14 18:24:07 nice May 14 18:24:26 the waterworks are awesome there May 14 18:27:41 ok, is there a place to dl meego 1.4? May 14 18:27:44 12. May 14 18:27:46 1.2 May 14 18:28:13 ace, yes, there is. May 14 18:28:57 there s something i don't understand, meego sdk for windows May 14 18:29:00 ace, there are daily builds May 14 18:29:03 meego is not for windows May 14 18:29:16 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Releases/Daily May 14 18:29:36 ace, "sdk" = software development kit. you can develop MeeGo software even if you're running windows May 14 18:29:51 oh ok May 14 18:30:18 why the sdk is in intel website? May 14 18:30:49 there is also an sdk for Linux May 14 18:31:11 ace, there is a site http://wiki.meego.com - feel free to go there and use the search feature May 14 18:31:35 okok May 14 18:39:29 hi! Anybody can do work unetbootin over meego? I can run it, but the usb stick doesn't appear on the list May 14 19:46:16 I hope everyone is watching eurovision tonight! May 14 19:46:55 probably a few billon people are not :) May 14 19:47:29 * lcuk hopes to catch it this evening May 14 19:48:08 lcuk: what's a eurovision? May 14 19:49:52 an annual sing-song event where countries stack votes for their neighbours May 14 19:50:40 nice glitzi show May 14 19:52:18 ah! interesting :-) May 14 19:53:03 sort of like disney version of FIFA, except more commercial and not as honest May 14 20:01:37 you taking about the eurovision song contest, the thing that lacks contest, song or vision May 14 20:02:03 ...but generates lots of euros?? May 14 20:02:15 Has it at least got the euros? May 14 20:03:24 it's European May 14 20:03:52 I wonder if any country actually likes the idiots representing them May 14 20:04:02 UK have blue, a boy band May 14 20:13:03 CosmoHill: http://eurovisionmania.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/eurovisionvoting.jpg May 14 20:13:09 (in a nutshell) May 14 20:14:35 I'll listen to the euro vision song contest when it's not mimed shit May 14 20:17:14 Screw the eurovision. I can't find a decent DrWho torrent. May 14 20:50:53 hey sofar May 14 22:33:50 CosmoHill, did you watch? May 14 22:35:38 hi May 14 22:35:38 no May 14 22:40:37 did the Europeans win ? May 14 22:41:19 nobody wins, not reallt May 14 22:41:39 somebody makes money though May 14 22:45:43 thiago: any chance "BoF: MeeGo DE - *THAT* is how you do it" could swap with the one after as I'm supposed to be at "Apps.MeeGo.com, publish your Open Source Apps through MeeGo.com" too May 14 22:46:13 I need to ask May 14 22:46:22 this might have gone to the printer already May 14 22:46:36 I thought it said 16th? May 14 22:46:48 that's Monday May 14 22:46:58 it might have closed EOB yesterday May 14 22:47:16 we'll print on Monday what we received until Friday May 14 22:47:42 OK ... it would be nice ... Apps is the only c.obs talk May 14 22:48:26 * lbt is searching for the slide upload link too May 14 22:50:27 aha May 14 23:02:21 cyas May 14 23:08:08 ping May 15 00:54:10 is there a separate channel for the MeeGO coding competition? May 15 00:55:18 http://wiki.maemo.org/MeeGo_Coding_Competition_2011 May 15 01:03:28 anyone here involved in the MeeGo coding competition http://wiki.maemo.org/MeeGo_Coding_Competition_2011 May 15 01:03:31 ? May 15 01:10:27 any geniouses know what the key in gconf is to reassign the power button May 15 01:10:35 I want it t oselep the tablet instead of shut down May 15 01:12:52 On Thursday May 26, the night after the MeeGoCon ends, Everclear frontman Art Alexis will be playing a rare small-club solo show. The club is not far from the Conference hotel. May 15 01:51:36 shinkamui: does it not just sleep when you close the lid? May 15 02:38:13 morning **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 15 02:59:58 2011