**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 17 02:59:58 2011 May 17 03:11:55 hi everybody! May 17 03:13:30 what are the names of graphical file managers for Meego? May 17 03:41:50 must be sleepy time in Europe & India? May 17 03:44:24 elcaset: Netbook has one. Some gnome-based thing. There aren't any others that I know of. May 17 03:45:32 Kool. thanks gabrbedd. sounds like I need to make a Qt based one like dolphin! May 17 03:46:54 elcaset: sounds good to me. :-) I think the Tablet/Handset stuff could use a good one. May 17 03:56:50 gabrbedd: the tablet version of Meego doesn't have a gui file manager does it? I got to use a Meego tablet at Linuxfest north west near Seattle & one of the 1st questions I had while trying it out was "where's the file browser" May 17 03:58:33 elcaset: Right. If there is one, I'm not aware of it. May 17 04:19:37 Thanks gabrbedd. Do you know if there's a media player like vlc for Meego that can play any multimedia file? If not, that's the next app I think is needed, May 17 04:21:25 elcaset: netbook uses "banshee" last I check. Tablet has its own media player (meego-ux-media or something like that) May 17 04:27:48 Good to know, gabrbedd. Banshee (Mono) on Meego. I would've guessed Meego would have more Qt-based KDE-ish apps, but now I know. May 17 04:29:06 elcaset: The Netbook edition (inherited from Moblin) is very GNOME-ish. However, it's an exception. Everything else is doing the Qt thing. May 17 04:30:37 gabrbedd: got it. Intel was probably more focused on GTK/GNOME at the time. May 17 05:15:43 morning May 17 05:16:02 iekku: Howdy! May 17 05:16:18 gabrbedd, o/ May 17 05:16:32 annoying, i have flu May 17 05:16:42 need to get well beforu Sat May 17 05:16:53 also before May 17 05:22:03 * gabrbedd give iekku some chicken soup May 17 05:22:25 :) May 17 05:23:29 working network connection to my home "office" could be usefull also :P May 17 05:24:02 now, or while in SFO? May 17 05:24:24 now and always May 17 05:24:29 even irc has lag May 17 05:25:21 yuk. tampere? May 17 05:25:31 yes, elisa <3 May 17 05:26:39 * gabrbedd looks at map May 17 05:26:59 There's a city called 'Nokia' ?? I didn't know that. May 17 05:27:47 Who is named for who? May 17 05:28:04 the company, from the city May 17 05:29:17 from everfriendly wikipedia: "The eponymous telecommunications giant Nokia was founded by Fredrik Idestam in 1865 as a pulp mill. The Finnish Rubber Works Ltd (Suomen Gummitehdas Oy) (founded 1898) set up a factory in Nokia in 1904. These two companies and Finnish Cable Works Ltd (Suomen kaapelitehdas Oy) amalgamated in 1967 forming Nokia Corporation." May 17 05:30:23 way into late 1980's Nokia was still best known for making some jolly good rubber boots :) May 17 05:30:25 that's why nokia is sometimes called "kumisaapastehdas" "rubberboots factory" May 17 05:30:52 :-) May 17 05:34:32 they made very good rubber boots May 17 05:34:50 iirc I still have a pair somewhere May 17 05:37:35 unfortunately i don't :( May 17 05:38:50 i remember when i was child and asked mom several times to buy me pair, because i'm big girl already. she refused because i had good children rubber boots, so i took a needle and said that they aren't good anymore May 17 05:39:04 :D May 17 05:39:16 when i was grown up i told mom what i did to get new boots :D May 17 05:39:16 natural born punk May 17 05:39:35 timoph, so it seems May 17 05:45:13 I'm trying to make it to the Meego Con in San Francisco this weekend from here in Seattle. Anybody here headed from up north to that convention? May 17 05:56:10 good night, all! Have a great day! :-) May 17 06:00:01 elcaset: yeah. Flying in from Finland :) May 17 07:05:50 : how can we know which version of meebo is installed May 17 07:23:53 cat /etc/issue May 17 07:27:58 ace: /etc/meego-release May 17 07:32:46 has some one seen Stskeeps lately?? May 17 07:33:23 he is on vacation right thats what his irc says, nm May 17 07:41:29 amjad_, yes, he is having a vacation now May 17 07:42:20 amjad_: he's already in the US May 17 07:44:22 * w00t_ wonders what the US will be like May 17 07:44:26 I've never been there before May 17 07:45:30 imagine the arrogance of the french, except when we don't speak english as well May 17 07:45:39 w00t_, same here May 17 07:46:18 there's good beer though May 17 07:49:06 what ? noooooooo french aren't arrogant ! ;) May 17 07:51:04 neither are americans ;) May 17 07:55:58 well one difference between EU and US is public transportation, you wont find relaible public transportation in usa, so get ready to drive and in places like SF , enjoy the traffic jams :) May 17 07:56:21 * amjad_ lived in us for 7 years May 17 07:57:28 actually the public transit in sf isn't that bad at all May 17 08:00:56 can anybdy please dig me the logs of me and Mats chatting about the fault in the compliance and enforcing test suite of Android? May 17 08:01:17 forgot to enable logs for that chat.. May 17 08:01:26 and my memory is, well, not what it used to be :) May 17 08:01:38 * sivang tries the online logs May 17 08:06:33 oh those logs are excellent, hm where is Stskeeps I wanted to thank him.. May 17 08:06:39 hi all btw May 17 08:08:31 hey sivan May 17 08:09:21 hey thiago_home May 17 08:09:44 thiago_home: submitting my last minute BoFs the late CfP was an excellent idea May 17 08:09:49 and I have a few :0 May 17 08:09:51 :) May 17 08:09:53 good May 17 08:10:19 oh, crap, I forgot to write a blurb for the website on the talks we accepted last week May 17 08:10:56 so do it :) May 17 08:12:13 thiago_home: the agenda looked a bit thin, now I Know why :-p May 17 08:12:42 I have six hours until at least Dawn wakes up May 17 08:14:06 sivang, he is on vacation May 17 08:14:23 thiago_home: time to get cracking? May 17 08:14:42 yes, within the next 6 hours May 17 08:15:14 oh, happy norway day by the way :-) May 17 08:15:18 thanks May 17 08:15:22 gratulerer med dagen to you too May 17 08:15:42 * w00t_ should print off a flag and hang it above his desk May 17 08:16:20 * thiago_home was woken up by kids preparing for the parade May 17 08:16:56 * w00t_ was woken up by his faulty alarm clock, 2.5 hours early May 17 08:17:16 after going to bed at around 4, which was painful May 17 08:17:38 you're working on your 6-11 line count then May 17 08:18:21 hmm? May 17 08:19:12 irc stats May 17 08:19:54 iekku: oh, i see May 17 08:20:13 w00t_: craking with what ? :) May 17 08:20:21 thiago_home: did not know there's a day like May 17 08:20:29 is it like the independence day ? May 17 08:20:53 yes May 17 08:20:58 independence from Sweden May 17 08:20:58 ah nice May 17 08:21:06 heh May 17 08:21:30 thiago_home: hahaha May 17 08:22:51 timoph: Finland. vs. Seattle. yep, you've got me beat as far as coming from the north to the Meego Con :)> It sounds like a lot of people in here are going to San Francisco Meego Con? May 17 08:23:13 though technically we celebrate 17 May 1814, Constitution day May 17 08:23:43 :) May 17 08:23:51 elcaset, i'm doing the same, even 5 km norther then timoph :P May 17 08:24:02 than.... May 17 08:24:13 i can write, i can write May 17 08:25:41 iekku Kuhl, you are neighbours. In my neighbourhood near Seattle, I live on Finn Hill. Settled by people from Finland. May 17 08:26:32 elcaset, we are small nation, but we are everywhere... that's why there's only few of us in finland :P May 17 08:27:17 iekku: that sounds about right. :) May 17 08:27:59 anybody know the only loan word in English from Suomi? May 17 08:28:16 is there one? May 17 08:28:19 tell me tell me May 17 08:28:20 perkele? May 17 08:28:32 no, what's perkele? May 17 08:28:34 :-) May 17 08:28:59 oh wait, that's something swedish ha loaned May 17 08:29:00 hmm, the sytem did notlet me choose if I want a bof or a session May 17 08:29:33 elcaset, not so nice word. if you hit your toe or something like that it usually comes from mouth... May 17 08:30:10 oh ok. like uff da for Norsk-Americans. May 17 08:30:27 thiago_home: to remove any doubt, all my sessions are actually BoFs as I need he discussion this time. May 17 08:30:30 :) May 17 08:30:44 (and for the rest ofthe program committe) May 17 08:30:46 elcaset, butt please tell the word? May 17 08:30:55 It's Sauna. May 17 08:31:15 oh :) May 17 08:31:29 i think it's in use worldwide May 17 08:31:37 not only in eglish May 17 08:31:51 that's probably true! May 17 08:32:33 in most latguages people don't know sauna is a Suomi word. May 17 08:33:20 oops, languages. May 17 08:33:30 true May 17 08:33:35 What about Taoullina ? :) ( I know I spelled it bad) May 17 08:33:41 iekku: ^ May 17 08:34:02 wat ist Taouillina? May 17 08:34:22 hmm, don't know May 17 08:34:25 timoph, ? May 17 08:34:48 tallinna? May 17 08:34:50 tallina? May 17 08:35:23 yes May 17 08:35:23 :) May 17 08:35:26 the city in Estonia? Talinn? May 17 08:35:26 it is such a pretty word May 17 08:35:27 not in finland May 17 08:35:31 no May 17 08:35:49 it is the name of the gentle piece of cloth you sit on in he Sauna May 17 08:35:49 *the May 17 08:35:57 * sivang misses Finland May 17 08:36:11 hmmm, laudeliina May 17 08:36:31 it does sound a bit like towel. weird coincidence. May 17 08:37:03 elcaset: heh May 17 08:37:04 is there not a t there/ May 17 08:37:05 ? May 17 08:38:13 i didn't see laudiliina yet when i typed that. i meant tallina. May 17 08:38:43 he May 17 08:38:45 ah May 17 08:38:49 so the Estonian city May 17 08:40:15 no, i thought talina is a towel, but it's actually laudiliina. just a mix-up. ;) May 17 08:40:58 elcaset, laudEliina :P May 17 08:41:55 ah , thank you. laudeliina. i'm learning! May 17 08:43:12 soon you speak like native ;) May 17 08:44:51 thanks, iekku. I hope so. but i'm realistic, I know Suomi is one of the more complicated languages to learn in the world, but it is beautiful. May 17 08:45:30 beautiful? May 17 08:45:38 ok :) May 17 08:46:06 to hear Suomi spoken \, yes, it is beautiful, i think. May 17 08:46:28 I can't think finnish as beautiful language :) May 17 08:46:43 maybe it's just because I'm finnish May 17 08:46:51 hmm, i don't really speak finnish May 17 08:47:25 although I think some years ago the sentence "alavilla mailla hallan vaara" was selected as the most beautiful sounding sentence in the world :D May 17 08:47:33 it's somekind of mixup of savo, oulu-area and tampere May 17 08:48:01 Jartza, that's so difficult to explain in english, have you ever tried? May 17 08:48:14 roughly translated it's "danger of the frosting on low-lying ground" May 17 08:48:31 or something like that :) May 17 08:48:40 iekku: I've tried :) May 17 08:48:44 :D May 17 08:49:00 Just like I don't think the accent I grew up with is beutiful either. But English with a Scottish accent, I do think that's beautiful. May 17 08:49:25 yes it is May 17 08:49:45 I don't know what accent I have in my english May 17 08:50:20 probably a Finnish accent, right? May 17 08:50:46 frosting should probably be frost. May 17 08:51:05 frosting is sweet stuff on a cake. May 17 08:51:11 i have finnish rally accent :D May 17 08:51:47 rally = car race? May 17 08:52:32 yeah May 17 08:52:54 have you ever heard how the finns are talking? it's not very smooth May 17 08:53:10 elcaset: I've been told it's not finnish accent May 17 08:53:36 iekku: especially finnish rally drivers :) May 17 08:53:49 haven't heard fiinish car rally yet. only movies. May 17 08:53:52 "rock. up timo's ass" May 17 08:54:09 haha May 17 08:54:43 elcaset: check "up timo's ass" from youtube and you know what "rally english" means :) May 17 08:55:12 Jartza: did you learn British English. maybe you have a british accent, May 17 08:55:34 I don't know :) May 17 08:55:55 I've been travelling, I think it's a mixture of many. May 17 08:56:34 i usually adopt automatically the accent from the people i'm talking with May 17 08:56:45 that sounds like a cool accent like sailors have who've lived all around. May 17 08:57:02 iekku, i do the same.' May 17 08:57:06 elcaset: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAGbrM-MMRk May 17 08:57:08 :D May 17 08:57:25 ok. i'm going to watch it. May 17 08:57:43 in the end of the video :) May 17 08:58:37 that's rally english :) May 17 09:00:15 omg!!! that's awesome. May 17 09:00:51 rally english & Scottish English & ass in one video! May 17 09:01:11 :D May 17 09:01:19 that must be a very thin car seat. May 17 09:04:25 they were driving 150km/h and it was a steel bar :) May 17 09:12:05 ooh, a steel bar, even worse than a stone! yikes. May 17 09:34:53 sandst1, [root@localhost ~]# zypper update May 17 09:34:54 Repository 'gluon' is invalid. May 17 09:34:54 [gluon|http://repo.pub.meego.com/home%253a/sandst1/ProjectDE/armv7nhl/] Repository type can't be determined. May 17 09:36:15 lcuk: that's the wrong address May 17 09:36:17 lcuk: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home%3a/sandst1/ProjectDE/armv7nhl/ May 17 09:36:32 for some reason.. May 17 09:38:06 sandst1, copy and paste from the wiki seems likely May 17 09:38:29 is this where one of them doc masters comes in handy? May 17 09:38:49 lcuk: yup May 17 09:39:01 ok gotten further May 17 09:39:08 libattica is now not available May 17 09:39:16 but it is at least trying to install gluon May 17 09:39:36 btw, the repo address is: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/sandst1/ProjectDE/ May 17 09:40:01 lcuk: ah, good point :) updating the wiki May 17 09:40:04 thx May 17 09:45:15 alterego: BTW, happy to meet at either LHR or SFO to organise getting to San Francisco from the airport/say hi etc. May 17 09:46:00 hi Jaffa \o May 17 09:48:22 Jaffa: cool :) May 17 09:51:00 mind your luggage in LHR May 17 09:58:20 Everyone says LHR is really bad? May 17 10:01:11 yes May 17 10:01:21 I have successfully avoided connecting in LHR all my life May 17 10:01:30 LHR has only been endpoints for me May 17 10:02:14 how come it's bad? May 17 10:02:36 Well, I'm quite a cautions and weary person anyway, and especially when I'm carrying about 2-3k pounds worth of stuff :) May 17 10:03:56 thiago_home, ?? May 17 10:04:18 i haven't travel a lot, so ... May 17 10:04:59 your checked luggage never goes through May 17 10:06:44 How do you mean? May 17 10:06:45 I've already had connections through LHR (several times) and it's not so horrible May 17 10:07:00 at least taking British Airways May 17 10:07:06 I guess it depends on your previous experiences with it. May 17 10:07:23 and I had several issues in other airports May 17 10:07:24 I hope Virgin Atlantic are better than BA ;) May 17 10:07:36 (Munich, Beyruth, Riyadh) May 17 10:07:43 BA is fine May 17 10:07:47 Luckily I've never had any issues in any airports, but that just means it's going to suck harder when I do I guess. May 17 10:07:52 Especially if it's this weekend. May 17 10:07:54 i didn't get it May 17 10:08:29 luggage disappears? not in same flight? what? May 17 10:08:57 alterego: T5's OK. T3's a bit of a dump. May 17 10:09:11 With Middle East Airlines in Beyruth once my luggages disappeared and they never found it again May 17 10:09:14 alterego: But for passing through it's OK. There'a a nice steak house in the corner of the departure lounge May 17 10:09:21 They had to reimburse me for what was inside May 17 10:09:46 yes, and a quite big duty free zone May 17 10:09:55 if you like to do shopping May 17 10:13:08 re May 17 10:13:18 3G went off, train stoped May 17 10:14:31 so it seem that with most f the proposals submitted, this is finally going to be more work and spec'ing less talk event May 17 10:14:34 * sivang is pleased. May 17 10:14:43 much of them are BoFs May 17 10:24:03 Grr: "BART's fare structure is built on a mileage-based formula therefore weekly or monthly passes are not available." May 17 10:24:55 Jaffa: huh. I'm sure we found some form of pass May 17 10:25:03 * w00t_ will ask later May 17 10:27:36 w00t_: http://www.bart.gov/tickets/index.aspx May 17 10:27:53 sucks if that's the case May 17 10:28:19 * Jaffa works out how much a fare between Powell Street & Embacadero is May 17 10:28:42 $3.50 for a round-trip May 17 10:29:06 $16.20 for a return to SFO May 17 10:29:26 So, with a few nights/excursions to the center, about $30 may be sufficient May 17 10:44:19 I can't understand what the pricing model is with the presold BART SFO-City vouchers **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 17 10:44:26 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 17 10:44:26 2011 May 17 10:45:24 with what logic is it better to buy a voucher of 18USD in advance than a 8.10USD ticket at the airport **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 17 10:45:25 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 17 10:45:53 2011 May 17 10:46:45 Myrtti: no I don't think it's better. May 17 10:46:55 You're paying 10 dollars to join a shorter queue May 17 10:47:06 alterego: exactly May 17 10:47:12 * alterego is British, doesn't mind queueing ;) May 17 10:47:51 there just has to be some logic and I'm intrigued to find out what it is May 17 10:49:07 Is 1.2 release day today or next week ? May 17 10:49:09 I forget May 17 10:49:15 alterego: lol May 17 10:53:16 * CosmoHill grumbles cos his quad core crashes a lot if he actually uses all the cores May 17 10:55:09 is it allowed to take safetypins to the plane? May 17 10:57:44 sandst1, well gluon player icon is on the screen, but starting it comes up with odd display and no content May 17 11:00:13 w00t_: Jaffa add to the http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/Tourism page May 17 11:01:08 lcuk: oookay. i guess the gluon guys know what it should do etc, i just packaged it : ) May 17 11:01:20 roger May 17 11:01:41 i updated the wiki with the steps I did May 17 11:02:05 since adding the kde repository did not seem to allow installation, I just did the wget ... rpm -i ... method May 17 11:02:10 lcuk: ok, nice May 17 11:02:58 ooh, vegetarian restaurants list \o/ May 17 11:03:19 I'm still wondering if anyone else is interested in the MakerFaire in San Mateo on the weekend May 17 11:03:29 Myrtti, add it to the tourism page May 17 11:03:41 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/Tourism May 17 11:04:06 I would if the stupid wiki would realise I'm logged in May 17 11:41:04 sandst1, did it install correctly for you when you tested it? May 17 11:41:39 lcuk: didn't have time to test properly yet due to things like work.... May 17 12:24:43 does anyone know if there's anyone working with meego for intel ce4100 ? May 17 12:29:26 jani, I believe thats covered under the meego tv banner May 17 12:49:54 slaine: any links ? https://meego.com/devices/smart-tv was the first hit and its not really that good start page to look for info =) May 17 12:50:04 hey slaine May 17 12:50:15 CosmoHill: hey May 17 12:50:29 jani: Probably the mailing list archives, the group is only getting started May 17 12:50:56 jani, Also, iirc, you should be able to get meego details from your Intel contacts (where you got the ce4100 dev boards ) May 17 12:53:18 slaine: actually, im more interested on Boxee Box which ships with intel ce4100 .. May 17 12:54:08 Ah, well, you'd have to get the drivers from Intel, they're not open due to using Imagine PowerVR IP in the gfx core (Remember the GMA500 ?) May 17 12:54:13 but issue is that they (boxee) implemented quite hard drm on the device and it would be very to replace their software with meego stack. May 17 12:54:45 jani, MeeGoTV is where that's happening, but not exactly targetted at the Boxee Box May 17 13:01:03 interesting session at sf2011 about Meego use in yatches for ivi (vehicle in this case is a yatch/cruiser) May 17 13:33:47 lcuk: Good morning! May 17 13:34:30 morning gabrbedd May 17 13:34:31 lcuk: I think we've pretty much decided that the solution to our mcompositor problems is... switch to matchbox. May 17 13:34:46 (or a similar WM) May 17 13:34:52 slaine: Hey, bro May 17 13:34:54 hey gab May 17 13:34:55 hey gabrbedd May 17 13:35:09 CosmoHill: \o. May 17 13:36:02 gabrbedd: my clutter app is sensibly slower with matchbox (with composition enabled) than with mutter May 17 13:36:34 Hello May 17 13:36:40 gabrbedd: tried to push those two bugs of yours its like talking a brick wall.. May 17 13:37:31 tomeu: In my first try with mutter, I couldn't make it work with the MeeGo UX (failed to start X). I didn't dig in to why... just moved on. May 17 13:37:57 jani: Tell me about it! :-p I figured up-front that I would be considered a corner-case. May 17 13:38:58 jani: My MeeGo UX bugs have been resolved (thanks to rustylynch) -- but the mcompositor ones are like an onion. May 17 13:39:16 jani: Once you solve one issue, it uncovers another deeper issue. May 17 13:40:39 that's because you have a heavily patched mcompositor in MeeGo, no? May 17 13:40:44 Can I compile kernel for meego using Windows Meego SDK? May 17 13:41:33 gabrbedd, am finding strange window management bugs in MeeGo that never happened in Harmattan, although both use mcompositor ... May 17 13:45:57 gabrbedd, jani: if you happen to look at window manager issues, perhaps you know what's going on here - https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17678 May 17 13:46:00 Bug 17678 nor, Undecided, ---, x2rich, NEW, First touch on virtual keyboard (after a VKB request) always goes to application May 17 13:46:38 it's one of the issues we would need to get fixed for the new MeeGo Terminal app, too May 17 13:46:50 I asked, becouse I can't run meego on vitrualbox. After installation and setting username I have only black screen. May 17 13:47:22 hey im looking for a smartphone, and because Android and iOS support Big Brother, i focus my eye to meego...but...are there more recent smartphones on the market containing meego except the nokia N900? May 17 13:47:57 mikhas: It's a focus issue. I think Kimmo's posted a fix to that on his "staging" branch. May 17 13:47:57 No. May 17 13:48:28 mikhas: That was actually one of the issues I was having (although with menus instead of VKBD) May 17 13:48:37 gabrbedd, ah - great May 17 13:49:05 why's kuzak not in this channel :-) May 17 13:49:50 gabrbedd, can you drop a comment perhaps? May 17 13:52:03 OR,Is it possible compile kernel on real device(netbook)? I can prepare all stuff for compilation and I have a device. May 17 13:52:28 eluiandil, it should certainly be May 17 13:52:43 development packages ala sdk stuff are all available May 17 13:53:02 gabrbedd, that is great, how does tablet ux operate on there? May 17 13:54:27 so..it seems i have to wait to LG and that chinese telephone network operator till they release their own phone with MeeGo...(because they said that in the news when it becomes clear Nokia leaves meego more and more ) or...can i just nuke android off an unencrypted Samsung mobile ( because i heard HTC encrypts it ) May 17 13:54:54 * gabrbedd makes comment for mikhas May 17 13:55:43 eluiandil: Compiling on real device is possible. Take a lot of disk space (around 1 GB IIRC). I've never tried to compile a kernel in a virtual env. May 17 13:56:29 lcuk: It works pretty good. I've got window frames and title bars (uncool), but otherwise is stable and works as expected. May 17 13:56:39 good stuff May 17 13:57:37 gabrbedd, lcuk: thanx a lot. May 17 13:57:46 RoestVrijStaal: Unless you're a developer and enjoy breaking things... you probably just want to wait. May 17 13:58:34 gabrbedd: ok May 17 14:05:48 gabrbedd, look! kuzak's here ;-) May 17 14:06:32 \o/ May 17 14:12:50 Hi kuzak :-) May 17 14:14:01 kuzak: Thanks again for all your help. May 17 14:14:25 gabrbedd, hi. no problem they're our bugs anyway.. May 17 14:14:58 oh hey May 17 14:15:02 andre__: ping May 17 14:15:15 looks like i'm sharing a flight w/ you to MeeGo conf :) May 17 14:16:31 timeless_w7ip, heh, true... http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/Flight_Information May 17 14:17:35 kuzak: One thing I enjoy about distribution development is all the cool stuff you learn when chasing other people's bugs. :-) May 17 14:18:44 andre__: we need to have a banner or something so we can get together @AMS :) May 17 14:18:56 I know your face anyway. ;-) May 17 14:19:14 do I know kyb3r? May 17 14:19:30 and what's your point of origin? May 17 14:19:44 previous plane comes from Prague May 17 14:19:48 ok May 17 14:20:00 so somewhere in the waiting hall we should spot each other I guess... May 17 14:20:03 gabrbedd, yep, things that are not automatically tested break easily.. there should be some tests for read back from the root window and compare that the window is actually shown on the screen, not just stacked right.. May 17 14:20:59 hrm, we're currently outnumbered by the 11:55 flight via FRA May 17 14:21:34 so... May 17 14:21:42 i think i'm going to move the 'origin' bits to the comments column May 17 14:21:44 objections? May 17 14:22:37 I don't care. Don't even know why people mention. May 17 14:24:00 andre__, am on same flight me thinks May 17 14:24:20 yup, KL 0605 May 17 14:27:53 gabrbedd: that's a nice way to look at it ;) May 17 14:27:58 Hmm. Why does the "MeeGo SDK 1.2 for Windows (Preview)" have the filename "meego-sdk-1.2-preview-installer-basic-tablet.exe"? May 17 14:28:09 What if I want to do Handset or Netbook? May 17 14:28:35 I don't think Intel are pushing those platforms anymore .. May 17 14:28:48 At least not that much, right now .. May 17 14:29:06 From their perspective tablet is glitzy enough to show off and get developer interest. May 17 14:29:13 alterego: Yeah... the flip side is that I can't work on my own stuff. :-) May 17 14:29:21 * Jaffa loves the fragmentation which is being baked into MeeGo from the start. It took ages for Android to get this good :-/ May 17 14:29:26 gabrbedd: hah, silver lining :D May 17 14:29:48 mikhas: add yourself to http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/Flight_Information :) May 17 14:31:14 Jaffa, ? May 17 14:32:38 mikhas: sarcasm May 17 14:33:08 mikhas: To live the dream, it looks like I need to install Nokia Qt SDK 1.1, add on Qt Creator 2.2 on top of it and Intel AppUp MeeGo 1.2 SDK Preview alongside. May 17 14:33:40 All of them basically containing the same things. But, AFAICT, no documentation or capability to share things and not waste disk space (or have multiple IDEs to configure) May 17 14:33:53 Jaffa: let's hope we can begin to clear this mess in SF May 17 14:34:12 Jaffa: we've already merged the Nokia Qt SDK into the Qt SDK 1.1 May 17 14:34:32 Jaffa: the next step is to merge the MeeGo SDK and the AppUp plugins into it May 17 14:34:39 then the Android bits and pieces May 17 14:34:50 android bits? May 17 14:34:53 yes May 17 14:34:59 the Necessitas SDK May 17 14:35:01 Jaffa, strange, I only took the IdeaPad out of the shelves, installed recent Tablet UX image, installed headers + Qt, started development May 17 14:35:01 thiago_home: Are these *proper* plugins (i.e. something a dedicated user could do), or are they more build time thingys May 17 14:35:02 thiago_home: I don't you're allowed mention that OS here are you ? May 17 14:35:06 that's the best SDK ever May 17 14:35:07 * timeless_w7ip is trying to figure out someone else's flight based on origin, dest, and arrival time May 17 14:35:13 Jaffa: not sure. That's what needs figuring out. May 17 14:35:24 * timeless_w7ip found it May 17 14:35:24 mikhas: Ah, you're targetting Symbian & Maemo too? May 17 14:35:34 mikhas: I think you've missed my point. May 17 14:35:41 ahahaha, "cross-platform" :-D May 17 14:35:51 I target Harmattan, does that count? May 17 14:36:14 mikhas: No idea, since there's no Harmattan SDK nor public information on its APIs beyond "MeeGo 1.2ish" May 17 14:36:28 Heh May 17 14:37:15 At's about as MeeGo as Maemo 6 was ever going to be imo :P May 17 14:37:22 s/Ats/Its/ May 17 14:37:26 alterego: Indeed. May 17 14:37:52 There seems to be rumours of it having a lot of QML based UX May 17 14:37:58 But I don't think they're true May 17 14:38:13 But I don't just refer to fragmentation in SDKs (even though that's very bad); there was a comment here the other day that AppUp requires Categories in .desktop files, but MeeGo 1.2 in N900 DE refuses to parse them. May 17 14:38:37 * Jaffa is sure the Harmattan UX and APIs will be very shiny May 17 14:38:58 s/Its/It's/ May 17 14:39:07 I hope it'll be everything the N900 is but a bit more polished May 17 14:39:17 And hopefully HDMI .. May 17 14:39:21 And USB OTG .. May 17 14:39:29 * timeless_w7ip ponders May 17 14:39:34 i'm taking bets May 17 14:39:38 * Jaffa wouldn't hold his breath for those May 17 14:40:00 is tim samoff taking WN846 @11:40am or WN1316 @12:10pm on thursday? May 17 14:40:07 hey, #maemo is over there → May 17 14:40:11 I'm not going to hold my breathe for USB OTG :P May 17 14:40:14 But HDMI! May 17 14:40:34 If it doesn't have HDMI, I'm not going to buy it. May 17 14:40:51 That's a lie, I'll still buy it. May 17 14:40:56 have you ever *used* hdmi? May 17 14:40:59 my n8 has it May 17 14:41:03 i don't even have a cable for it May 17 14:41:08 (/me likes to support Nokia's foray in the FOSS world) May 17 14:41:21 alterego: seems kinda pointless now :) May 17 14:41:22 timeless_w7ip: if I had it I'd use it. May 17 14:41:32 * timeless_w7ip doesn't have a nokia hat to wear anymore May 17 14:41:59 * Jaffa would like it when travelling May 17 14:42:01 * thiago_home will buy it May 17 14:42:09 * w00t_ will buy it May 17 14:42:11 I need a proper Linux phone to replace my N900 May 17 14:42:18 I'll continue to purchase the children of maemo devices for as long as Nokia make them. May 17 14:42:20 But then most hotel rooms don't seem to allow switching inputs when I'm outside the UK May 17 14:42:26 thiago: good luck w/ that May 17 14:42:42 * arfoll wishes he got hotel rooms with HDMI inputs May 17 14:42:59 I need a good device to replace my N900 which I often want to throw out of a window. However, the things which make my N900 truly great (e.g. headphoned etc) come from the community. And that might be stillborn for Harmattan May 17 14:43:02 arfoll: I got that in Las Vegas May 17 14:43:21 I don't think the community will be stillborn May 17 14:43:35 I think it'll inherit the majority of Maemo developers. May 17 14:43:40 thiago_home, kinda hotels I go i'm lucky if I get sheets on the bed ;-) May 17 14:43:44 Especially those of us that have been here from the beginning. May 17 14:43:53 s/here/there/ May 17 14:43:54 alterego meant: Especially those of us that have been there from the beginning. May 17 14:43:55 alterego: Hopefully May 17 14:44:02 alterego: But we might just be developing for ourselves. May 17 14:44:03 (remembers he's in #meego) May 17 14:44:25 Jaffa: That is the only person I develop for wrt to Maemo/MeeGo/Unpaid ;) May 17 14:44:30 It's my hobby May 17 14:44:37 alterego: True May 17 14:44:44 And arguably education May 17 14:44:50 alterego: But I do it to be selfish to get other things from others (e.g. Columbus ;-)) May 17 14:44:58 :) May 17 14:45:02 gabrbedd: you will be harmonized (next) :) May 17 14:45:22 I think Columbus deserves a lot of my love and affection after SF. May 17 14:46:26 * Jaffa keeps meaning to really push Qt Mobility-backed Hermes through to completion, but until I've got a device in my pocket which needs it... :-/ May 17 14:46:55 My feeling exactly May 17 14:47:05 I've been contemplating a Qt Mobility contacts based contact import/export app for maemo/meego May 17 14:47:23 I'm assuming any device will support mass vCard import May 17 14:47:31 It's in the QtMobility API May 17 14:47:36 gabrbedd: i think you misread your airline flight out of SFO :o May 17 14:47:40 alterego: And my N900 can export its contacts DB in vCard format already May 17 14:47:48 Good point May 17 14:47:56 I might just integrate it into dialer ;) May 17 14:48:12 Speaking of which, dialer meeting in 15 minutes. May 17 14:48:17 i'm guessing gmail syncing for contacts is out of the question for any future Nokia devices... May 17 14:48:24 oh, nm May 17 14:48:27 * timeless_w7ip finds it May 17 14:50:06 arfoll: why? May 17 14:50:55 eep May 17 14:50:58 * timeless_w7ip can't read May 17 15:01:55 ok, i'm having trouble finding one flight May 17 15:02:51 * timeless_w7ip pokes mikhas to add flight info May 17 15:04:08 grrr May 17 15:06:58 timeless_w7ip: I didn't remember putting flight numbers on there... but I think I've got a connecting flight. DFW is the final dest. May 17 15:07:14 gabrbedd: i put in one of your numbers May 17 15:07:26 if your other side has a connection, that'd explain why i couldn't figure it out May 17 15:07:40 DFW is quite far from SFO May 17 15:07:41 generally you shouldn't though May 17 15:07:46 it shouldn't be your final destination May 17 15:07:51 DFW is a hub for AA May 17 15:07:59 so it shouldn't be a second leg May 17 15:10:00 timeless_w7ip: IDK. :-p May 17 15:11:33 you could look it up :) May 17 15:12:18 timeless_w7ip: I show a direct flight. Confirmed flight number on my itenerary. Why do you think there's an error? May 17 15:12:19 one person entered an incorrect airline code (united is UA not un) May 17 15:13:02 gabrbedd : not an error, just a flight i couldn't find May 17 15:13:16 timeless_w7ip, did you get my last /msg? May 17 15:13:17 it's probably full May 17 15:13:29 yeah, thanks May 17 15:13:42 Sure thing. May 17 15:14:04 timeless_w7ip: Maybe. I just did a search for flights that day and found it. :-/ May 17 15:16:21 oh well, just fill in the table :) May 17 15:17:36 Talking of Harmattan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-KfxrI1NXg May 17 15:18:08 timeless_w7ip: me? fill in the table? May 17 15:19:21 Jaffa: that's a fake, of course May 17 15:20:45 thiago_home: Really? May 17 15:21:04 there are some reasons I can't share which allow me to know that May 17 15:21:39 but most importantly: when a real video comes out, you'll know it from somewhere more official than "pocketnowvideos" on youtube May 17 15:21:47 gabrbedd : http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/Flight_Information May 17 15:22:11 timeless_xchat: What info am I lacking? May 17 15:22:41 iirc your inbound flight has no number May 17 15:24:40 timeless_xchat: OK. I actually put the outbound flight number by accident. :-p #Paranoid May 17 15:24:52 you didn't May 17 15:24:55 i put it in May 17 15:25:16 Jaffa: this I can tell you: as of last Friday, they still hadn't decided what to call the MeeGo device. May 17 15:25:20 point is you provided sufficient info for it to be discovered May 17 15:25:34 timeless_xchat: Are you out to get me? :-p May 17 15:25:56 not you specifically May 17 15:26:48 thiago_home: Indeed, but "N9" and "N950" have been used on the Internet, and the video doesn't show a name, apart from "Nseries" May 17 15:26:58 i filled in a couple of others too May 17 15:27:28 i'd bet against anything listing "Nseries" May 17 15:27:54 Jaffa: Haven't it been decided here on this channel that Harmattan is not Meego? :) May 17 15:28:15 rst38h ++ May 17 15:28:26 RST38h: That certainly seems to be the steer from the technical folk on the MeeGo Project May 17 15:28:40 Jaffa: s/technical/dogmatic/ May 17 15:28:58 RST38h: s/dogmatic/senior/ May 17 15:29:13 Jaffa: senior~=dogmatic May 17 15:29:17 :) May 17 15:29:22 * RST38h laughs diabolically, eats akitten May 17 15:29:25 how far can you diverge from what MeeGo is? Can you install WP7 and call it MeeGo? May 17 15:29:43 in Wine? May 17 15:29:50 sergiusens: MeeGo is a trademark managed by the Linux Foundation. To be "MeeGo Compliant" you have to ship basically the same packages May 17 15:29:52 or VMWare? May 17 15:30:14 sergiusens: Nokia is talking about "MeeGo compatible" and has said it will ask the MeeGo TSG for a trademark exemption May 17 15:30:18 Jaffa: so does Harmattan ship with the packages to be compliant? If that's the case, I have no issue May 17 15:30:37 sergiusens: No. Harmattan is deb-based, for one. May 17 15:30:44 harmattan is vaporware May 17 15:30:50 Jaffa: until it's announced, the name and other details can change May 17 15:31:03 Vaporware that appears to be running on some hardware ready to be released May 17 15:31:16 nah May 17 15:31:20 thiago_home: Until what's announced? Harmattan *has* been announced. The Harmattan *device* has not. May 17 15:31:34 yes, the device, with its name, UI and specs May 17 15:31:51 nokia rarely releases ui specs :) May 17 15:32:10 timeless_xchat: done May 17 15:32:19 :) May 17 15:32:29 Jaffa: I think there is a difference in objectives here May 17 15:32:47 * timeless_xchat needs to book one flight and cancel one flight May 17 15:33:01 Jaffa: Your average core Meego developer does not give a shit about the Harmattan device, be it N9, N950, or Unicorn1 May 17 15:33:16 RST38h: Indeed. May 17 15:33:17 * alterego wants a unicorn! May 17 15:33:32 * timeless_xchat cares about Unicorn2 May 17 15:33:44 Jaffa: It is mainly of interest to maemo usersbase which Meego, incidentally, lacks May 17 15:33:54 first generations are for dogs. second for riders :) May 17 15:34:13 RST38h: Which includes a whole swathe of community application developers (which MeeGo also lacks) May 17 15:34:33 Struggle to get there too :-( May 17 15:34:36 right May 17 15:35:16 It's a shame really, no one seemed to attract maemo'rs properly May 17 15:35:29 Though DE is looking better in that regard May 17 15:35:46 lbt: Hey, is it possible for someone like me to clone an OBS package to c.OBS ? May 17 15:35:48 I'm only here because I'm a sadist :P May 17 15:35:53 thiago: is there any public info on how community people get commit access for Qt5? May 17 15:35:54 lbt: I couldn't figure it out last night. May 17 15:35:56 gabrbedd: yes May 17 15:36:26 yes May 17 15:36:36 timeless_xchat: we'll get there. May 17 15:36:42 timeless_xchat: we're installing Gerrit May 17 15:36:43 gabrbedd: don't ask how though, everytime I do it seems to work by fluke for me :) May 17 15:36:53 alterego: lbt: How should I have done it? May 17 15:36:55 watch my talk on Open Governance, the one on Qt5 then come to the BoF :-) May 17 15:36:56 alterego : is there a wiki page documenting how-to? :) May 17 15:36:58 osc branch something May 17 15:37:01 remote branch works... remote branch of a branch is fixed in a minor update that won't be loaded until post SF May 17 15:37:01 alterego: erm... ignore that question. May 17 15:37:15 use MeeGo.com: as a base May 17 15:37:24 then whatever it would be on the core OBS May 17 15:37:27 lbt: so I gotta do it through osc... not the web interface? May 17 15:37:40 gerrit? May 17 15:37:42 no... web should be OK May 17 15:37:52 but won't autocomplete ... and may even fight you May 17 15:38:14 lbt: Yeah, that's what happened. May 17 15:38:18 heh May 17 15:38:26 sounds like a bug worth filing May 17 15:38:40 (rfe) May 17 15:39:28 gabrbedd: fight teh evil js May 17 15:40:04 lbt: Do I have to do anything special to check out OBS projects? (I haven't tried... I expected it to be not-straight-forward to get a read-only check-out) May 17 15:40:45 osc co proj May 17 15:40:49 done May 17 15:41:09 it's really not that hard :) May 17 15:41:30 lbt: OK. I expected to have to fiddle with {api,api.pub}.meego.com urls May 17 15:41:50 Well you said "checkout"... not "setup" May 17 15:41:59 once you are setup .... May 17 15:42:06 and the setup is tremendously hard May 17 15:42:23 osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com/ co proj May 17 15:42:28 then enter username/pq May 17 15:42:30 pw May 17 15:42:32 lbt: Got it... May 17 15:42:33 then done May 17 15:42:39 lbt: I'm set up. I have 2 pkgs in. May 17 15:42:45 lbt: :-) May 17 15:42:56 now if you then want multiple OBSes (ie core and community) May 17 15:43:05 we need to *gasp* edit a file ;) May 17 15:43:07 lbt: just couldn't figure out the link between OBS and c.OBS May 17 15:43:30 and in there I set "aliases=cobs" for the community one May 17 15:43:34 lbt: AH-HA! So I *do* have to fiddle around with config files!! May 17 15:43:41 and then : osc -A cobs co.... May 17 15:44:01 yup ... but that's just because they knew you'd be missing vi by now May 17 15:44:17 (emacs users are in a buffer already) May 17 15:44:19 lbt: Dude. vi is a last resort. May 17 15:44:54 lbt: OK, last question... since I don't have an OBS account (I have a c.OBS account) -- will my U/P work when checking out an OBS project? May 17 15:44:59 * lbt adds some notes to tutorial too May 17 15:45:10 good question May 17 15:45:24 What's U/P ? May 17 15:45:32 u/pw ? May 17 15:45:33 alterego: Username / Password May 17 15:45:39 Ah, right May 17 15:45:50 I've branched stuff from main obs May 17 15:45:57 Don't think you need u/p for it May 17 15:46:00 Just for committing. May 17 15:46:07 And you commit to cobs May 17 15:46:21 OK. I'll fire up vi and give it a go later. May 17 15:46:28 hmmm May 17 15:46:42 I don't know if you can use osc without a u/p May 17 15:46:59 so you may have to use the cobs and MeeGo.com:.... May 17 15:47:06 doorbell.... bbiab May 17 15:48:15 lbt: When you get back... can you pass me the link to the tutorial? Searching "OBS Tutorial" on wiki yields nothing that appears useful at first glance. May 17 15:56:04 gabrbedd: it's not properly written yet .. http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011/OBS May 17 15:56:26 but try: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building ... which is debian based ... but if you scan read it and translate it may help May 17 15:57:35 lbt: Thanks! Up to now my only resource has been the OpenSuSe docs. May 17 16:02:37 ouch May 17 16:02:40 hehe :) May 17 16:02:54 * lbt goes to drive a mini-digger ... \o/ May 17 16:14:05 lbt: I didn't mean that in a bad way. Their docs on OBS, osc, and zypper are actually pretty darn good. May 17 16:17:32 lbt, those notes are thye the start of your presentation? May 17 16:17:36 they May 17 16:19:46 And the crowd (tmo) are going wild over that leaked teaser N9 trailer .. May 17 16:21:02 hey does appup for meego uses packagekit to install the packages? May 17 16:40:58 what's a good way to get a screen recording from MeeGo Tablet? May 17 16:43:28 gstreamer is probably the best way. May 17 16:43:39 Though don't ask me for a pipeline :P May 17 16:51:32 does anybody know what the magic command line to mount the emmc on my n900 in -de image is? May 17 16:52:05 emmc? May 17 16:52:18 the MyDocs partition from maemo May 17 16:52:26 Hang on May 17 16:54:12 lcuk: mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mnt May 17 16:54:24 Looks like the renamed the device nodes under meego .. May 17 16:55:51 actually they're renamed under Maemo, but only in some places... May 17 16:56:23 ShadowJK: yes, but they've always been that way, looks like MeeGo now does the same. May 17 16:56:37 Oh wait, May 17 16:56:42 No, I'm in opposite land again. May 17 16:56:58 I was getting rootfs and mmc mixed up. May 17 16:57:14 It's the micro sd and internal mmc that are switched ^.^ May 17 16:57:59 alterego, well after running that command there is a DCIM folder so that is good May 17 16:58:06 but the photos app will not bring up any May 17 16:58:51 hang on May 17 16:59:00 there are example pictures in /home/meego already May 17 16:59:07 Yes May 17 16:59:08 so the photos app is just being odd May 17 16:59:12 and not showing any May 17 16:59:13 Possibly May 17 16:59:21 What image are you runngin? May 17 16:59:29 I found the photo app got confused when I added new photos to the ones in home. May 17 16:59:34 yesterdays daily testing n900-de May 17 16:59:48 ut there have been no photos for a while May 17 16:59:56 I have been pondering how to add some May 17 17:00:03 but just noticed the example ones are there May 17 17:00:31 I think it keeps a database of what's there, and if you add/remove files it gets all confused. I'm not sure how the database gets updated. May 17 17:00:54 Still tracker afair May 17 17:04:39 alterego, bug 17202 is closest May 17 17:04:42 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17202 nor, Undecided, ---, ziv.chang, NEW, [DE] Photos aren't seen under Album view May 17 17:10:18 hey does appup for meego uses packagekit to install the packages? May 17 17:49:03 re all May 17 18:01:07 where can i get htop for meego May 17 18:01:08 ? May 17 18:01:29 gtop? May 17 18:01:33 htop* May 17 18:03:06 gandhijee: find an rpm orbuild from source? May 17 18:04:06 rpm would be great May 17 18:04:54 gandhijee: then look for it, there's a nice article by Niels how to add rpm* sources to meego May 17 18:05:22 sivang: i missed the part where you said find. i thought you were asking if i wanted the rpm or the source May 17 18:05:58 gandhijee: does not matter :) May 17 18:16:30 gandhijee, i build it in home:arfoll:utils on public OBS, do a search May 17 18:17:00 http://download.meego.com/live/home:/nm:/applications/MeeGo_1.1/i586/ May 17 18:17:05 i found a RPM there May 17 18:19:03 gandhijee, package here http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/arfoll:/utils/meego_1.1_core/i586/ May 17 18:19:27 that package you found is a copypac from an older version of the package I have in home:arfoll:utils by someone trying to get it into official meego repo May 17 21:59:00 supposing I have a qml app May 17 21:59:21 what is the simplest mechanism to using a native c++ class with it May 17 22:08:32 lcuk: substantiate the qml object from c++, use setContextProperty() for an instance of the class you want QML to be able to use May 17 22:09:39 then you can call functions from it in QML, as long as the function is a slot, or is proceeded with the macro Q_INVOKABLE (eg Q_INVOKABLE void fuckBirds( QString blah ); ) May 17 22:09:55 come on, it's "easy" ! :P May 17 22:10:45 (and it will map basic types like QString, int, double) May 17 22:12:23 "In hindsight, Nokia was the wrong partner to have picked" — Intel CEO Paul Otellini May 17 22:16:26 ieatlint: And the alternative partner was.... ?? May 17 22:17:07 ieatlint: yeah, he wouldn't have said that had Nokia not pissed their pants and Elop wasn't sucking balls-mer May 17 22:17:37 And I wouldn't have trusted any other vendor May 17 22:18:03 IMHO, if they had stuck with it I think it would have been pretty awesome... esp. the way they were leveridging the Qt API. May 17 22:18:04 How many other handset manufacturers have the experience and expertise to a) develop an OS and b) do it in the open? May 17 22:18:35 It took Android to get other manufacturers into the open movement. May 17 22:18:50 gabrbedd: i'm not trying to start a commentary on it, i just thought it was a funny quote May 17 22:18:59 And the only reason they chose that (imo flawed platform) is because it was better than the crap they were shipping May 17 22:19:04 And it reduced costs. May 17 22:19:14 ieatlint: Indeed. But this *is* irc, not twitter. :-) May 17 22:20:17 i was doing this on irc long before twitter :P May 17 22:20:58 ieatlint: you at the conference next week? May 17 22:21:17 yep May 17 22:21:17 ieatlint: :-) May 17 22:22:40 should be a fun and interesting week May 17 22:23:02 Yup :) May 17 22:23:06 I'm ver excited May 17 22:23:11 * alterego 's first conference May 17 22:23:52 there'll be lots of alcohol, don't worry May 17 22:24:32 Are you saying you're gonna get me pissed? May 17 22:25:43 i generally plan on getting people at conferences drunk May 17 22:25:55 but i also tend to keep my hands to myself, don't worry ;) May 17 22:27:02 Meego intrigues me. Haven't looked at it in months, though. May 17 22:27:50 drunk people are more honest May 17 22:28:31 i'm sober now, so perhaps keep that in mind May 17 22:28:44 yeah, can't trust you at present :) May 17 22:29:15 people who have been awake to long are also fairly truthful May 17 22:29:51 yes true, makes it harder to lie consistently May 17 22:31:37 also their internal filters don't work so well so things slip out May 17 22:32:17 That might explain why I can't lie May 17 22:32:25 Because I'm always pissed and tired. May 17 23:08:35 CosmoHill, go reading May 17 23:09:52 :D May 18 00:07:50 what is this -- http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2.0:/oss/standard/i586/kmod-virtiogl-1.1.2+git1+83577c3-1.13.i586.rpm -- and on what hardware should it be installed? May 18 00:08:28 == "virtio-gl kernel module used for openGL acceleration of client OS." May 18 01:45:37 test May 18 01:48:17 fail **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 18 02:59:57 2011