**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 19 02:59:58 2011 May 19 03:33:04 morning May 19 03:44:53 iekku: howdy! May 19 03:48:03 man is it that late, iekku says good morning ? May 19 03:49:51 berndhs: yeah... I saw that and thought... "Crap! It's already midnight!" May 19 03:49:58 ...but he must be up early today. :-) May 19 03:51:02 had 2 hours of nice weather today May 19 03:51:21 too advantage, by standing in mud and digging a ditch May 19 03:52:12 berndhs: um... good call? May 19 03:52:26 had to be done, getting too swampy otherwise May 19 04:28:02 haha May 19 04:28:38 gabrbedd_, btw, i'm not he May 19 04:29:10 gabrbedd_, last time i checked i was female, hope nothing has changed ;) May 19 04:29:11 iekku: Ah! My apologies. May 19 04:30:02 gabrbedd_, no problem, i do the same :D May 19 04:30:15 iekku: Well, I couldn't tell from your name... and /whois is rarely a help on this one. May 19 04:30:26 :) May 19 04:31:01 gabrbedd_, and my real name "iekku" doesn't tell even to finns my gender, since i'm the only iekku in finland :D May 19 04:31:25 or i was first, don't know if there's others now May 19 04:32:00 iekku: that's neat. does it have any particular meaning? May 19 04:32:43 gabrbedd_, not really, my parents just started to call me iekku when i was born, had to fight 16 years to get it as my legal first name... May 19 04:33:37 gabrbedd_, from the area i'm from the "ee" is usually said "ie", i was eeva, usually they call eeva as ieva, so i think it comes from that, not sure May 19 04:34:00 my mom doesn't recall May 19 04:34:55 iekku: my wife and I had a hard time agreeing on names. May 19 04:35:04 iekku: I favored original, creative names. May 19 04:35:17 iekku: she liked respectible, jane-austin-novel names. May 19 04:35:22 :-) May 19 04:35:41 haha May 19 04:36:13 it was hard to name our lizards, i'm glad we don't have child May 19 06:21:04 eg81: you there? May 19 06:21:34 vgrade : hello, are you there? May 19 06:42:34 Hi, I have the build 1.2.80.0.20110503.2 installed on my desktop. I was able to configure IP/Default gateway for the first time but now, Im not able change them. Once the network disconnects, it doesn't connect again! Can anyone pls help me with the issue? May 19 06:47:33 maxw: I'm here May 19 06:47:47 hi May 19 06:47:59 ho May 19 06:48:07 I made a little progress....would like your opinion May 19 06:49:01 I couldn't ssh in, but found http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_Troubleshooting#General_SDK_Errors and followed the instructions for 9) and that seemed to fix ssh...so now I can ssh in. May 19 06:50:14 it's still not booting though May 19 06:50:26 I get the 'frame', but no UI May 19 06:50:26 maxw: hmm, could you check if 6666 port is open, e.g. with telnet 127.0.0.1 6666 May 19 06:50:38 yeah, I've sshed in, so that's ok May 19 06:50:49 well, I guess it *is* booting May 19 06:50:54 but not the UI May 19 06:51:04 ok May 19 06:51:05 I see uxlaunch is having trbouel May 19 06:51:20 > GLIB ERROR ** default - Key file contains line ' ELF^A^A^A' which is not a key-value pair, group, or comment aborting... May 19 06:51:28 in /var/log/messages May 19 06:52:31 and before that > GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib - g_shell_unquote: assertion `quoted_string != NULL' failed May 19 06:53:09 I take it you managed to get the whole UI up and running, right? May 19 06:55:22 yes May 19 06:55:45 could you try to remove and create this target again ? May 19 06:56:08 hrm..."again"? May 19 06:56:18 I didn't create it. May 19 06:56:27 I guess it came with the sdk, no? May 19 06:56:45 sudo mad-admin remove meego-tablet-ia32-qemu-1.2.0.0.0.20110516.6-runtime May 19 06:57:05 sudo mad-admin create -e -f meego-tablet-ia32-qemu-1.2.0.0.0.20110516.6-runtime May 19 06:57:12 then try to boot May 19 06:57:21 mad remote -r meego-tablet-ia32-qemu-1.2.0.0.0.20110516.6-runtime -fg May 19 06:58:17 k...in progress May 19 07:05:41 eg81: sorry, my system locked up :/ May 19 07:07:28 trying to boot again May 19 07:09:58 eg81:ha...ssh stopped working again, so will remove/create again May 19 07:10:34 that's really strange May 19 07:11:02 well, my system locked up while it was booting, so I guess me resetting the host system caused it May 19 07:11:34 do you have any other computer as this looks to me unstable :) May 19 07:12:03 oh, recreating didn't seem to help the ssh issue...I'll try the fix it using the same technique as before May 19 07:12:22 oh, ok, perhaps I wasn't waiting long enough May 19 07:12:39 now I get an ssh key failure...which is a good sign :) May 19 07:13:39 yeah, logged in now :) May 19 07:13:47 maybe your system is too slow that's why you see only black screen.. May 19 07:14:41 it is a powerful system....shouldn't be too slow, in theory at least May 19 07:14:56 to run this tablet version in qemu you need at least 1gb free memory May 19 07:15:42 I have 6G of RAM...htop shows5G free roughly May 19 07:15:55 ooh, something's happening :) May 19 07:17:37 :) May 19 07:47:09 vgrade : hello? May 19 07:57:28 eg81: I had another system crash, so figured I'd run memtest86 to see if that showed up anything wrong....on my laptop atm May 19 08:14:46 is meego 1.2 going to be released today? May 19 08:15:41 i hope not, my tux is at the cleaner... May 19 08:17:33 the wiki says today is release day May 19 08:17:59 http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.2 May 19 08:19:08 yep May 19 08:21:07 I'd expect the images to arrive afternoon US time May 19 08:21:28 so pretty late evening/night for us in europe May 19 08:32:07 http://www.phonenews.com/nokia-confirms-n9-running-meego-16489/ May 19 08:32:10 xD May 19 08:33:53 Morning, all May 19 08:34:04 karmignan: Nokia has confirmed no such thing. May 19 08:34:19 karmignan: this facebook group is unofficial May 19 08:34:31 karmignan: That Facebook page is *not* the official MeeGo page at all, and the Linux Foundation is investigating it on trademark grounds May 19 08:34:51 * Jaffa makes sure this is in next week's MWKN May 19 08:35:20 Jaffa: ok May 19 08:36:55 Oooo, my first bug .. May 19 08:37:03 And it's high critical ... May 19 08:37:12 * alterego panics May 19 08:37:15 alterego, you're welcome May 19 08:37:18 :) May 19 08:37:43 alterego, which bug? May 19 08:38:11 alterego, please, take good care of it, it's on my watch list... May 19 08:39:09 :) May 19 08:39:09 alterego, if you don't you might see this: http://mybfolder.com/pics/7674-1271618483.jpg May 19 08:39:13 ;) May 19 08:39:18 I'm looking in to it May 19 08:42:50 npm: you are funny... it lacks logic that way around... should I explain again or do you just read what I wrote yesterday? May 19 08:50:43 * lcuk reading http://qtmapper.garage.maemo.org/ May 19 08:57:15 hey lcuk May 19 08:58:22 hi CosmoHill May 19 08:58:29 and hi lardman \o May 19 08:58:53 salut la May 19 08:58:56 salut lardman May 19 08:59:05 * CosmoHill may need to replace his mac :( May 19 08:59:39 Hello I am facing this issue https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15552 May 19 08:59:42 Bug 15552 maj, High, ---, martin.xu, ASSI, [Upstream v-0.71 has fixed the issue]network fail to connect to internet with static IP for the seco May 19 08:59:48 not able change IP address May 19 09:00:02 is this bug fixed in latest stable release 1.2? May 19 09:00:28 have you run "zypper update" ? May 19 09:01:05 is there anyone who had worked about sensor drivers and 'sensord' ? May 19 09:01:45 CosmoHill, is your msg for Santosh ? May 19 09:01:53 yes May 19 09:02:21 CosmoHill, i will try zypper update and get back May 19 09:02:37 Whens the 1.2 release, next week ? May 19 09:02:47 I can never remember the date May 19 09:03:11 I need to make some time to finalize my Broadcom instructions for 1.2 May 19 09:09:00 slaine, later today i believe. May 19 09:11:20 slaine, http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.2 May 19 09:14:32 Cool, I'll have to update my site quickly so May 19 09:14:42 hey dazo May 19 09:16:43 CosmoHill: whazzup? May 19 09:17:03 just working on implementing some of the harder changes to the CLFS book May 19 09:17:58 dazo: yourself? May 19 09:21:14 slaine: AFAIK broadcom wifi should work out of the box with .37 kernel May 19 09:21:38 timoph: I think you still need firmwares, but yes, no modules needed May 19 09:21:45 (have Fedora 15 on there) May 19 09:21:55 ok May 19 09:22:19 However, I believe that's only going to affect 1.3, 1.2 is still on 2.6.35 iirc May 19 09:22:36 Or was on the last pre-release I tested May 19 09:23:08 at least wifi worked for me in ideapad with 1.1.99 images May 19 09:23:44 do you remember link to latest netbook image? May 19 09:23:46 working with eeepc701 May 19 09:32:25 eg81:ping May 19 09:32:43 or perhaps eg81: ping May 19 09:32:58 nevermind, got it May 19 09:36:34 seems that 1.2 images for netbook are already there: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ May 19 09:38:18 maxw: pong May 19 09:38:25 timoph: sweet May 19 09:39:25 eg81: made some progress, sort of May 19 09:40:56 my desktop freezes pretty frequently, but if I log into the system remotely and start strace on the qmegl process, it all unfreezes May 19 09:41:27 this has allowed the emulator to boot May 19 09:41:54 I can now see a UI, but the fonts are all corrupted May 19 09:42:03 otherwise, it looks ok May 19 09:42:06 slow though May 19 09:42:07 wow never heard about such issues May 19 09:42:58 timoph, are those standard netbook images with patches and fixes done over recent months? or different changes too? May 19 09:43:14 it just froze then again, and just attaching strace to the process and killing it frees it again May 19 09:43:25 seems a reliable workaround :) May 19 09:43:29 lcuk: looks like the official netnook images for 1.2 May 19 09:43:31 timoph: maybe the images are there to get them onto the mirrors before release May 19 09:43:34 ^^that sounds crazy May 19 09:43:35 / annoucement May 19 09:43:38 nod May 19 09:43:44 yep May 19 09:43:46 built yesterday May 19 09:44:00 oh ffs May 19 09:44:08 * CosmoHill desktop is crashing again May 19 09:44:28 firefox is always the first victim May 19 09:46:28 eg81: anyway, I am suspecting a graphics driver issue - the graphics is really very slow anyway (like moving a window from left to right on the screen is very slow) - others in this office have upgrade to fedora15 (and much talk of porting drivers), so I'll check that out at some point. May 19 09:47:12 maxw, what desktop are you running? May 19 09:47:31 gnome - just a recent fedora14 install May 19 09:49:56 ahh May 19 09:50:04 I aded QtMapper to the ITP page: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP#Q May 19 09:50:40 it was written for the n8x0 and has had some recent tweaks and tests would be good to try on meego too May 19 09:56:00 hey lcuk May 19 09:57:04 morning lardman|home \o May 19 09:57:18 what's the N900 image like these days? May 19 09:57:39 lardman|home, more and more usable every day! May 19 09:57:59 where are we on a scale of brick to being able to make phone calls and use calendar? ;) May 19 09:58:33 eg81: I think it's too unstable to use, so I'm switching back to chroot. I wonder if my findings are worth reporting anywhere. What do you think? May 19 09:59:34 lardman|home, phone calls are possible I believe! ask alterego and sabotage who have been dealing with much of that side May 19 10:00:48 lcuk: ok thanks May 19 10:02:04 maxw: hmm probably first you need to resolve gpu drivers issue May 19 10:03:08 hrm, perhaps I'll see about that after getting some real work done - f15 will be released fairly soon, I think. May 19 10:41:25 Hi all, i am using meego-sdk-qtcreator on ubuntu for meego related developement May 19 10:41:32 i notice a problem when i use CONFIG += mobility and MOBILITY = serviceframework May 19 10:41:39 the make file INCPATH pointing to host -I/usr/include/QtServiceFramework -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/QtMobility May 19 10:41:52 which is wrong.Other include paths are correct they are pointing to meego related one:I/usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/sysroots/meego-handset-ia32-madde-sysroot-1.1.99.4.20110426.4-fs/usr/include/qt4/QtCore May 19 10:42:04 can someone please point out whats going wrong.. May 19 10:45:21 hmm hmm, is qtcreator running qmake that came with madde or the one that got installed alongside normal ubuntu stuff? May 19 10:45:36 what I'm suspecting is that you run qmake with qmake config made for ubuntu. May 19 10:45:41 its from madee May 19 10:45:46 ok. May 19 10:45:52 by using meego-sdk-qtcreator May 19 10:47:14 and this happens only when mobility is used? non-mobility qt-apps compile fine? May 19 10:47:29 yes May 19 10:47:43 * costello has mind=blown May 19 10:48:39 costello, :D May 19 10:49:08 http://pastebin.com/74D5ZCih May 19 10:53:52 search for QtServiceFramework in the pastebin output May 19 10:57:06 any body else face this issue May 19 10:59:55 hmm, only meego-project I'm having that has mobility it has only MOBILITY += multimedia systeminfo May 19 11:00:04 doesn't have any extra additions to -I.. May 19 11:01:01 can you make it work by adding INCLUDEPATH += /correct/directories into your .pro file?? having extra or non-existent dirs listed there should not hurt.. May 19 11:01:40 but what this smells like is that when you include that serviceframework it comes with somehow faulty qmake config or something.. May 19 11:03:24 ok May 19 11:03:55 for you serviceframework compiles? May 19 11:04:14 never tried and I don't have a working meego env handy at the moment, sorry.. May 19 11:04:29 ok May 19 11:04:31 been playing around only with multimedia and systeminfo parts of mobility. May 19 11:05:11 ok....let me try including that manually then May 19 11:20:24 I guess there will be devel devices in SF... would love to get a play in this comedy May 19 11:23:52 doh! dd'ed wrong image May 19 11:24:01 * lcuk was scratching head why it was not booting May 19 11:31:53 does meego has a window list manager? I don't mean the display shown when you hit the hardware key May 19 11:31:59 that one doesn't show the xvimagesink display when playing a file through gst-launch-0.10 for example May 19 12:01:09 anybody here uses xbmc in meego? May 19 12:01:17 it crashes everytime I try to play a file May 19 12:07:40 luisbg, get a stacktrace? May 19 12:11:48 ~wtf xbmc May 19 12:11:50 Gee... I don't know what xbmc means... May 19 12:11:59 ~xbmc May 19 12:12:21 infobot, be ashamed of yourself May 19 12:14:03 I installed the clutter-gst package, but clutter-gst doesn't appear in my pkg-config May 19 12:14:05 :S May 19 12:15:03 luisbg, you probably need a -devel package for that May 19 12:18:29 luisbg, maybe clutter-gst-devel, or maybe it's called something else May 19 12:59:03 hi my kernel build on OBS fails giving error Unable to write payload to /home/abuild/rpmbuild/RPMS/i586/kernel-ivi-debuginfo-2.6.35.3-10.1.i586.rpm: No space left on device even though my system has system has lot of free space( in bothbhome and root partition ) can somebody help May 19 13:00:48 Am facing the similar issues with some other packages as well May 19 13:04:05 priyanka, are you doing local osc build? May 19 13:04:14 or is that message potentially coming from the server farm May 19 13:04:49 lcuk : I see it on my webui, but m running the workers at the same machine as my server May 19 13:05:24 lcuk: is it related to kvm, never faced this issue while running on machines that dont use kvm May 19 13:06:05 sounds odd then May 19 13:06:36 priyanka, so you have configured your server to be an obs instance? May 19 13:07:30 lcuk: yes am using an OBS appliance set up as per meego wiki page by stskeeps , didnt add any changes related to kvm or LVM May 19 13:07:39 how long is the installing packages supposed to take? I get no status bar movement etc. mouse moves. this is on an eeepc701/600mhz atom so I can understand sluggishness, but it should do something, right? May 19 13:08:03 and do I have to press the > arrow button before it does something? May 19 13:08:22 (I had amusing problems with the touchpad) May 19 13:14:06 X-Fade, I'm getting problems to try add the armv7el arch on Pyside DE_Trunk repository May 19 13:14:35 How I can do that? I have edited the repository but not happens. May 19 13:25:07 does meego has a window list manager? I don't mean the display shown when you hit the hardware key May 19 13:25:11 that one doesn't show the xvimagesink display when playing a file through gst-launch-0.10 for example May 19 13:25:30 I know it is decoding and displaying the video May 19 13:25:40 but it the window it is displayed on is hidden May 19 13:38:49 shouldn't clutter-gst-devel drop some header files in /usr/include/ ? May 19 13:43:03 [15:22] but it the window it is displayed on is hidden ---> file a bug report May 19 13:43:22 Venemo, against mcompositor? May 19 13:43:34 plus I have no trace or anything about it May 19 13:43:34 dunno what, maybe mcompositor May 19 13:44:43 luisbg, on my Fedora, clutter-gst-devel drops its includes to /usr/include/clutter-1.0/clutter-gst/ May 19 13:45:01 luisbg, I'm not sure if the MeeGo version does the same, but I would assume so May 19 13:45:06 let me check May 19 13:45:37 Venemo, it does! thanks May 19 13:45:55 Venemo, now I have to figure out why I calling clutter_gst_init() from my code doesn't want to compile May 19 13:47:28 luisbg, you usually use PKGCONFIG+=clutter-gst-1.0 then #include May 19 13:47:46 luisbg, or whatever the alternative of PKGCONFIG is in the tool you use. May 19 13:48:10 Venemo, yes I have clutter-gst-1.0 in the configure.ac (this app builds perfectly in my debian/gentoo/fedora systems) May 19 13:48:28 luisbg, ah, so you use autotools? May 19 13:48:35 and then in the code I do #include May 19 13:48:52 yes, autotools :) it took me a while to get it working, but now it is worth it May 19 13:48:53 luisbg, what is the error message you get on MeeGo? May 19 13:49:06 when I run make, all builds fine until... May 19 13:49:15 undefined reference to 'clutter_gst_init' May 19 13:49:36 have in mind that it builds all the other files before getting to the main one May 19 13:49:48 ah May 19 13:49:59 it seems that it fails to be added to the linker command line May 19 13:50:49 Venemo, you mean the CLUTTER_GST_LIBS in src/Makefile.am ? May 19 13:51:59 luisbg, I have no idea. All I can say is autotools has been gotten in my way so many times now that I would restort to using violence whenever I met its creators May 19 13:53:10 Venemo, LOL! May 19 13:53:16 Venemo, I feel you May 19 13:53:56 hi all, How I can add the armv7 on my PySide project on OBS? (DE_Trunk repository) May 19 13:54:26 luisbg, I mean, I tried to build stuff made with autotools, and I tried modifying them. I didn't manage to add anything to the linker command line yet. May 19 13:54:39 luisbg, I ended up with using a command-line option of make May 19 13:54:48 ouch May 19 13:56:22 luisbg, you could try that too May 19 13:57:27 luisbg, in my case, it was 'make -j4 LDFLAGS=-lX11', and in some other projects, 'make -j4 AM_LDFLAGS=-lX11' worked too. just substitute '-lX11' with the necessary lib and you're good to go. May 19 14:00:09 luisbg, obviously, you should get rid of -j4 as well if your CPU isn't up to the task May 19 14:00:12 Venemo, in a qt application, when qDebug() << something; is used, where is that logged? normal command line or elsewhere? May 19 14:01:52 lcuk, usually the standard output. which apperars in the command line when you run your app in the command line May 19 14:02:07 lcuk, if you run the app from Qt Creator, it will appear in Qt Creator's 'application output' pane May 19 14:02:16 I got a C for information security which made me kinda sad, then I realised that I've only had one C every year May 19 14:02:27 so going by that I should get As and Bs on everything else May 19 14:02:32 Venemo, yeah I know, I have an app on the device and looking at code where debugs are used May 19 14:02:39 so expecting to see certain ones May 19 14:03:13 CosmoHill, are you meant to be disclosing the grade you got in your information security exam? May 19 14:03:27 I don't have an exam for it May 19 14:03:38 this was my assignment that I handed in May 19 14:03:45 what you should have done is "I got a [censored] for information security" :P May 19 14:03:51 ah I see May 19 14:03:58 lcuk, if you launch the app from the terminal, you should see the debugging output in the terminal. May 19 14:04:06 I did do Venemo May 19 14:04:36 do these qDebug() lines get included in all builds? May 19 14:04:46 or does it need specific debug binary May 19 14:04:52 or command line option perhaps May 19 14:05:01 lcuk, it is possible that they are left out from the release builds (in order to preserve space) May 19 14:05:15 lcuk, I have not tried to check the output of a release build May 19 14:06:07 thanks Venemo I will dig and see where qDebug() is available May 19 14:06:30 lcuk, if I were you, I'd just run the app from Qt Creator. May 19 14:06:50 lcuk, that is the best way of debugging May 19 14:06:58 Venemo, I am testing meegophotos app May 19 14:07:14 lcuk, you could easily obtain its source, I presume May 19 14:07:15 trying to see why it does not list photos when you run it first time May 19 14:07:20 and you have to rotate first May 19 14:07:25 before they are listed May 19 14:07:33 mhm May 19 14:07:54 I was hoping to see one of the qDebug messages within PhotoStripView::updateView May 19 14:08:26 * lcuk is solidly used to large amounts of debug May 19 14:08:29 lcuk, are they not appearing when you launch the app from terminal? May 19 14:08:31 (debug output is a whole UX!) May 19 14:08:42 no, some random warnings from deep within qt May 19 14:09:03 amusingly: May 19 14:09:04 Skipping non-Touch device: Virtual core XTEST pointer ( 4 ) May 19 14:09:04 Skipping non-Touch device: TSC2005 touchscreen ( 9 ) May 19 14:18:07 lcuk, hmm May 19 14:18:34 luisbg, is it working May 19 14:18:48 oooh, he asked and left May 19 14:19:47 lcuk, Venemo: I think if the touchscreen only supports one touch point (single-touch) it gets filtered out of Qt's "touch logic." May 19 14:20:10 lcuk, Venemo: I think if the touchscreen only supports one touch point (single-touch) it gets filtered out of Qt's "touch logic." May 19 14:20:29 ...but it'll still work as a mouse. May 19 14:21:43 gabrbedd, understandable May 19 14:25:57 renato: try asking on #meego-arm , there a people talking about OBS on it May 19 14:41:54 ahh gabrbedd thanks May 19 14:52:16 DawnFoster, Ping? May 19 14:57:42 ping May 19 14:58:45 pong May 19 15:05:50 hi dneary May 19 15:06:30 hello, what do you think, will aava mobile ever release the twist? May 19 15:07:33 anybody here? May 19 15:07:58 gprade, have you asked them? May 19 15:08:04 because they are the ones who know May 19 15:08:25 yes, i tried to contact them, but they send no answer May 19 15:08:51 will meego 1.2 today released? May 19 15:09:35 gprade: if you look on the servers, you might find them May 19 15:10:24 i found in http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/images/ some new, but is this official? May 19 15:10:43 gprade, it is on official meego servers? May 19 15:10:52 hi slaine May 19 15:10:58 lcuk: howdy buddy May 19 15:11:08 i think yes, ok then it is released, thanks May 19 15:11:27 gprade: I'm guessing once Portland wakes up there'll be an announcement May 19 15:11:48 I've downloaded the img but not installed it, will do that later May 19 15:12:23 for the record, Portland is awake :) May 19 15:12:50 we give the mirrors some time to pick up the new releases before we post the announcement May 19 15:13:14 DawnFoster, :D May 19 15:13:18 :D May 19 15:13:29 DawnFoster: awake and at your desk, or awake and enjoying the first tea/coffee ? May 19 15:13:42 time to take a nap May 19 15:14:08 Venemo, "Printing using qDebug usually results in console output (you might have to add CONFIG += console to your project file to get output at all on some platforms)." I am guessing not seeing any because of the build/config options May 19 15:14:11 and after that start to figure out what i need to take with me to SF May 19 15:14:13 slaine: I've been awake for 2 hours already and am halfway through the first pot of tea :) May 19 15:14:23 i hope they sell flowers in the airport? May 19 15:14:26 ;) May 19 15:14:29 DawnFoster, 2 hours and only halfway through?! May 19 15:14:32 DawnFoster: nice, not at your desk though May 19 15:14:38 slaine: working from home today :) May 19 15:14:50 lcuk, maybe. in any case, IMO you should try running it from Qt Creator :) May 19 15:14:53 haha May 19 15:14:57 DawnFoster: I love doing that. Thanks to HRM's visit, I did it yesterday May 19 15:14:57 need time to finish my presentation before I fly the conference tomorrow May 19 15:15:17 when people do working from home days, an inlfatable autopilot should populate your real desk seat! May 19 15:15:24 DawnFoster: You too? Now I don't feel so bad. :-) May 19 15:15:39 * slaine feels left out May 19 15:16:15 gabrbedd: yeah, if I don't make some progress today on my presentation, the "State of the MeeGo Community" will be very similar to what it was 6 months ago in Dublin :) May 19 15:16:23 slaine: we'll miss you! May 19 15:16:36 thanks May 19 15:16:46 hopefully meet up at the Autumn event May 19 15:18:18 DawnFoster: :-) May 19 15:28:54 what can i do for meego May 19 15:29:12 a device May 19 15:30:56 KDEV: participate :) May 19 15:32:03 soread the world May 19 15:32:07 spread* May 19 15:32:17 KDEV: What do you like doing? May 19 15:33:33 KDEV, ask not what you can do for meego, but what meego can do for you! May 19 15:35:28 i want to see meego smartphone in the market May 19 15:36:40 KDEV_: Here's a few suggestions: (1) help the MeeGo DE team. They're working on making MeeGo work well on the N900 May 19 15:37:32 KDEV_: (2) Squash bugs in the MeeGo UX (tablet) and the Handset UX. May 19 15:38:13 KDEV_: Write cool apps for MeeGo. Get them into AppUp. If AppUp is thriving, MeeGo becomes more attractive to a handset vendor. May 19 15:38:28 (erm... that was (3)) May 19 15:38:44 i wish to see a simple sync tool for contacts and calendars for kde desktop, maybe for kde kontact or thunderbird May 19 15:39:07 ok thx.........i want to try meego in my PC May 19 15:39:33 like i had it for windows and outlook with my xda some years ago May 19 15:39:50 that would be awesome May 19 15:41:28 KDEV_: BTW, AppUp still has several contests (with cash prizes) that have not expired. If you're a coder... might check that out. May 19 15:42:26 i m beginer trying ...diffenetly one day my app run on meego May 19 15:43:25 KDEV_: Is coding what you want to do? Or just something you /can/ do? May 19 15:44:26 KDEV_: because if it's something you /want/ to do... I can't emphasize enough how valuable bug squashing is to your skilz. May 19 15:44:50 KDEV_: So, I would work on app development and also help squash bugs on bugs.meego.com. May 19 15:44:52 why no handset and tablet release? May 19 15:45:21 coding or anything May 19 15:46:32 last time i tryl meego in VMware but it didn't work ........ May 19 15:46:40 gprade: I guess, they might be coming May 19 15:46:47 ok, thanks May 19 15:46:53 gprade: Wow, I didn't notice that. It's probably because they're a bit rough around the edges. May 19 15:46:54 KDEV_: try qemu May 19 15:47:17 gprade: They did release Tablet, but it's still being called a "Developer Preview" May 19 15:47:20 in windows or Linux May 19 15:48:08 KDEV_: linux ? May 19 15:48:10 i've seen it, thank you all for your work May 19 15:49:29 * gabrbedd wonders why there was no release announcement on any ML that he's on... May 19 15:51:00 gabrbedd: we just haven't posted it to the mailing list yet May 19 15:51:12 usually Imad sends it himself May 19 15:51:14 KDEV_: It might be worth your $$ to get a new or used netbook to use as a development device. Atom-based netbooks can be had for as low as $250 new. May 19 15:51:47 the blog post is available now & the mailing list post will be very similar May 19 15:52:27 DawnFoster: OK, thanks. I know everyone is very busy... May 19 15:52:47 DawnFoster: I was just wondering, that's all. :-) May 19 15:53:45 i m sure meego support HTML5, WebGL or OpenGL.... May 19 15:53:51 gabrbedd: no worries, and yes it's just a busy week :) May 19 15:54:13 DawnFoster: Oh, crap. No wonder... my internal calender it 1 day off. I thought today was 5/20. :-p May 19 15:54:40 couple more days May 19 15:55:40 gabrbedd: ha! we have all day to finish our various release tasks :P May 19 15:56:12 gabrbedd: I'm in no rush on the announcement, gives me time to get my updated broadcom instructions online. May 19 15:58:18 slaine: No, it's not that. I was just thinking, "It was supposed to release YESTERDAY. Did it? I didn't even hear a `hurrah` or anything." May 19 15:58:20 * gabrbedd sighs May 19 15:59:18 gabrbedd: Yeah, as DawnFoster said, the final image was built yesterday but it has to get out to mirrors and then have the announcement. It may even be announced at MeegoConf (but probably today) May 19 16:00:11 slaine: gabrbedd just lives in a slightly different space time continuum than the rest of us ;) May 19 16:00:27 slaine: Right. No worries now that I've looked at my calendar. :-) May 19 16:00:42 Hopefully the tablet ux will get a 1.2 beta release or some such now 1.2 is out. But not sure on the time line for that project May 19 16:00:45 DawnFoster: lol May 19 16:01:21 gabrbedd: do you have a large laptop ? May 19 16:01:49 tablet did get a refresh - I'm just downloading in now to see if it's much difference May 19 16:01:54 slaine: Only when I'm driving fast. May 19 16:02:08 DawnFoster: I couldn't see a url for that, might still be internal May 19 16:02:26 I promised w00t_ that I'd install it and lend him my tablet at the conference for some cool demos he's working on :) May 19 16:02:37 nice :) May 19 16:03:00 DawnFoster: community device program will be up and running soon enough for plebs like us to apply anyway May 19 16:03:18 slaine: well, it's just not easy to find the new tablet builds (we make the developers dig to get them): http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/stable/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1.img May 19 16:03:47 slaine: I'm really hoping to have the community device program live on Monday *crosses fingers* May 19 16:03:47 such a catchy url, how could I miss it May 19 16:04:03 I'll keep hitting refresh on the wiki so ;) May 19 16:07:38 DawnFoster: what is the community device program? May 19 16:08:39 Greatgib: it's a way for community members who are doing cool things to apply for devices: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program May 19 16:10:13 cool May 19 16:10:47 By the way, do anyone know where i can find a package of libcrypto? I use the oss trunk repo, but not such a package here :( May 19 16:15:46 lcuk, have you had any luck? May 19 16:20:22 DawnFoster: :-) May 19 16:22:21 w00t_: tablet 1.2 new image installed :) May 19 16:22:40 DawnFoster: you rock! May 19 16:22:43 Venemo, I went playing on the wii May 19 16:22:44 so IDK May 19 16:22:53 lcuk, haha May 19 16:22:59 w00t_: I'm even charging the battery :) May 19 16:22:59 * w00t_ sorted out his lenovo via ssh the other night May 19 16:23:08 lcuk, I'm sure it was more fun than the debugging May 19 16:23:33 that just leaves the n900 as the last problematic thing to set up May 19 16:23:55 Venemo, yeah :D May 19 16:24:02 w00t_, which image are you using for it? May 19 16:24:19 tablet is looking pretty good. UI is pretty much the same, but seems more responsive / stable than earlier versions (based 5-10 minutes of playing) May 19 16:24:27 lcuk: right now, a very old, hacked up 1.2 beta May 19 16:24:45 once I finish fighting it tonight, hopefully latest DE May 19 16:24:54 w00t_, do you have uboot installed? May 19 16:25:01 yes May 19 16:25:26 cool May 19 16:49:51 wtf, how could I make this computer without a swap May 19 17:03:34 any n900DE peeps in the house? May 19 17:03:56 can take bug 17872 off my hand? May 19 17:03:58 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17872 nor, Undecided, ---, michael.leibowitz, NEW, [DE] Build version is clipped in 'About product' settings in portrait mode. May 19 17:04:08 Stskeeps|holiday, are you on holidays? May 19 17:04:09 ;) May 19 17:05:01 can I assign to Stskeeps|holiday, then May 19 17:13:48 A great device with a slick new interface can be a big hit even when it's not Android or Apple: http://venturebeat.com/2011/05/18/playbook-outsells-motorola-xoo May 19 17:17:08 blackberry :-( May 19 17:20:59 * gabrbedd always sees "RIP" whenever "RIM" is written, for some reason... May 19 17:24:56 you have to be careful when writing "jobs at RIM" May 19 17:31:05 jobs at ROM May 19 17:31:10 hahaha May 19 17:31:56 * gabrbedd did not do that on purpose May 19 17:35:55 * lcukn900 orders a new laptop screen. May 19 17:36:51 I told you that one wasn't a touch screen May 19 17:37:36 jobs at ROM http://www.rom.on.ca/about/jobs.php May 19 17:38:46 lol cosmohill May 19 17:38:55 berndhs: lol May 19 17:39:08 lcukn900: my name just looks like you're going !!!!! May 19 17:39:11 hey those are legitimate jobs :) May 19 17:39:35 are there any drivers for GMA500 in meego repos? May 19 17:39:43 cosmo? May 19 17:40:14 I read it as "cosmo1!!!" :/ May 19 17:40:19 berndhs there was a person ages ago who wanted to use maemo in the museum for exhibits May 19 17:40:44 sounds reasonable May 19 17:40:55 yeah May 19 17:41:22 interactive mobile guide using a LAN May 19 17:41:58 there are many things, fully interactive would certainly be good May 19 17:42:17 i remember once going to museum of photography film and television with parents May 19 17:42:35 everyone got a nikon camera to go round the museum with May 19 17:42:42 maybe it can detect which exhibit its is next to, bring up info about that one May 19 17:42:50 and photos at the other end May 19 17:44:01 berndhs bluetooth would be better for that May 19 17:44:06 hi there I've joined May 19 17:44:26 joined what? May 19 17:44:30 bluetooth would tell it where its at within a room ? May 19 17:44:30 irc May 19 17:44:50 and meego May 19 17:45:14 Trung: Welcome! May 19 17:45:16 berndhs scan bt nodes, display info from the one with heighest signal strength May 19 17:45:31 lcuk: Would you please show Trung the secret handshake? May 19 17:46:21 haha, I even don't remember my public key May 19 17:46:39 and private one May 19 18:10:56 gabrbedd, that would require me knowing it also May 19 18:12:27 also gabrbedd they are more like internet high 5 May 19 18:12:28 http://www.indiescreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/95-Internet-High-Five.jpg May 19 18:12:36 requires touch screen for full effect though May 19 18:22:38 are there any drivers for GMA500 in meego repos? May 19 18:23:31 smoku: I think there is something. at least I remember looking at an Archos9 kickstart file for recent MeeGo May 19 18:24:05 any URL for the ks? May 19 18:27:30 if I'd only remember who came up with it May 19 18:39:05 what is the root password in 1.2 ? May 19 18:40:19 smoku: should be meego May 19 18:40:28 tried that May 19 18:40:33 netbook? May 19 18:40:52 for netbook, the root password is the same as your user password May 19 18:41:06 then one you manually set at install time May 19 18:41:57 *the May 19 18:42:22 oh. anaconda magic? May 19 18:42:24 thx May 19 18:43:29 smoku: I tend to remove root's hash from /etc/shadow when done since the default user has full sudo anyway May 19 18:44:22 smoku: also a good idea to zypper remove openssh-server if you want to add any actual data to the device :-) May 19 18:45:00 well... nobody should know my password anyway ;-) May 19 18:46:28 one of the first things I do is set the root password May 19 18:46:53 seems better than removing stuff and hoping nobody will get in May 19 18:48:09 lcuk: LOL May 19 18:48:29 huh... 1.2 does not provide fbdev X driver?? May 19 18:51:11 which wifi module should I load on atom Z515 ? May 19 19:04:20 dm8tbr, vgrade has built various GMA500 builds May 19 19:04:27 smoku, ^ May 19 19:04:38 EMGD driver afaik May 19 19:05:15 lcuk, got it. thanks. May 19 19:24:12 lcuk: yes and most likely the joggler image / ks is on my bug... server :) May 19 19:24:50 lcuk: but there was some other kickstart I was actually thinking about, never mind as that is no longer necessary :) May 19 19:39:34 mmm 1.2 on my ExoPC ... is the screen brightness synced to some subliminal tune? May 19 19:39:43 it keeps fading in and out... May 19 19:40:11 some kind of light sensor ??? May 19 19:40:33 well, there is the ambient light sensor in the upper left May 19 19:40:44 try covering it and see if the brightness stables May 19 19:40:59 no.. it switches to panel mode ... hehe May 19 19:41:45 no May 19 19:41:49 lbt: You have quite a few talk and BOFs coming up, don't you May 19 19:42:39 fiferboy: tue is busy ... I'm doing 4 and want to be at the OBS/Apps one May 19 19:42:55 kinda need to finish the tutorial too... May 19 19:42:57 mmm May 19 19:43:25 bbiab May 19 20:14:15 does someone know if there is any chance that the Meego SDK could be available for Fedora 15 quite quickly ? May 19 20:14:27 (Fedora 15 release is in 5 days) May 19 20:17:42 chouchoune: is there a MeeGo SDK for Fedora 14 ? May 19 20:20:27 berndhs: yes May 19 20:20:48 http://developer.meego.com/meego-sdk May 19 20:21:12 Download the MeeGo 1.2 SDK for Linux May 19 20:21:15 Supported hosts: Ubuntu 10.04, 10.10; Fedora 13, 14 May 19 20:21:24 Ubuntu 11.04 is out of scope too May 19 20:21:44 the main meego.com page is out of date then May 19 20:22:04 but meego SDK 1.2 waqs released today May 19 20:22:37 so everything is maybe not updated yet\ May 19 20:22:55 thats probably it May 19 20:22:56 ut I tried to install on Fedora 15 beta and it doesn't work ;) May 19 20:23:11 join #meego-handset May 19 20:25:02 what is there on #meego-handset ? May 19 20:25:30 i think gprade: just forgot the leading / May 19 20:25:47 sorry May 19 20:25:59 ok ;) May 19 20:26:22 but i am sure the conversation on #meego-handset is very inspiring May 19 20:26:50 i hope May 19 20:27:04 hehe May 19 20:27:21 last time there was nobody May 19 20:27:41 noone is speaking there right now May 19 20:28:55 is meego.com slow for me only ? May 19 20:29:01 or is it for everyone ? May 19 20:31:26 1.2 was announced/released afaik May 19 20:36:59 ah the benefits of not relying on normal repos to distribute the SDK, you end up with umpteen copies of Qt Creator May 19 20:47:46 Heyhey, anybody here know where that meego-ux-switcher thing got to? i'm sure i found it somewhere, but...? May 19 20:48:58 leinir, on the desktop switcher wiki page afaik, hold on May 19 20:49:07 cheers :) May 19 20:49:26 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops#UXSelect_Switcher_Tool_.28alpha.29 May 19 20:49:30 hey leinir o/ May 19 20:50:09 lbt: Yo! :) May 19 20:50:20 just packing ... :) May 19 20:50:53 i'll be doing that in an hour or so :) May 19 20:51:03 you coming to SF ? May 19 20:51:10 i certainly am :) May 19 20:51:18 great May 19 20:51:28 we're arriving tomorrow pm May 19 20:51:34 will be arriving at half past midnight local time on Saturday ;) May 19 20:52:02 hmmm 00:30 saturday.... or just into sunday ? May 19 20:52:46 0035 Saturday ;) May 19 20:54:38 good - you'll be there for the wargames! May 19 20:54:52 Yupyup! :) May 19 21:11:05 DawnFoster, w00000000 at your book May 19 21:11:20 is that proof read and stuff then, or beta version? May 19 21:12:54 lcuk: thanks!!! May 19 21:13:01 I'm super excited about it May 19 21:13:24 so you should be - you say it has arrived for approval May 19 21:13:25 the one in the picture is my proof copy to make sure that I didn't mangle any of the formatting May 19 21:13:39 the back blurb has what I believe is a missing word :O May 19 21:13:57 I'll have to go in and approve it and then a few days later will be available for purchase May 19 21:14:13 oh please, no missing words! May 19 21:14:49 Almost every recipe comes with plenty of variations where you can get creative and twist those recipes [to] suit your particular tastes. May 19 21:15:10 frack May 19 21:15:21 grrr May 19 21:15:32 beta testing, everybody goes blind reading their own stuff May 19 21:16:10 yeah, but it's not like I didn't have someone else read the cover, too :( May 19 21:16:16 DawnFoster, keep the missing word in the first run May 19 21:16:30 in future years that rare copy will be worth more :O May 19 21:16:48 lcuk: ha :) May 19 21:17:07 like anyone outside of my family & friends will ever buy it :) May 19 21:17:57 DawnFoster, you have a larger family than you think with all the community coverage you have May 19 21:18:20 * lcuk just investigating new laptop screen \@/ May 19 21:19:34 DawnFoster: good title! :-) May 19 21:19:39 DawnFoster, favourite recipe inside? May 19 21:21:49 lcuk: probably the mango guacamole: http://whatdawneats.com/2011/05/mango-guacamole/ May 19 21:22:06 gabrbedd: thanks - it's accurate anyway : May 19 21:22:08 :) May 19 21:23:03 DawnFoster: It's both clever, and concisely communicates the subject. May 19 21:25:12 DawnFoster, this photo made me hungry most: http://www.flickr.com/photos/geekygirldawn/5705238571/in/photostream May 19 21:25:32 congrats everyone involved for the 1.2 release May 19 21:25:42 DawnFoster: I'm wondering at the "great on BLTs" comment in a vegan cookbook :D May 19 21:26:14 lcuk: That does look good! May 19 21:26:29 lcuk: well, you really can't go wrong with a big pile of veggies on pasta :) May 19 21:26:45 recipe: http://whatdawneats.com/2011/05/pasta-with-fresh-veggies/ May 19 21:27:04 lbt: bacon isn't actually meat. May 19 21:27:13 lbt: ha! tempeh Bacon, Lettuce & Tomato :) May 19 21:27:19 DawnFoster, stirfry smells delicious when cooking May 19 21:27:34 DawnFoster: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/4604426181/in/photostream May 19 21:27:41 * lcuk does have to add some form of meat later in the cooking cycle though May 19 21:27:52 not sure if it's vegan ... butter? May 19 21:28:26 eggs, milk and butter throw it out of the vegan camp :) May 19 21:28:50 ah.... May 19 21:29:29 * lbt has limited experience... "up north" in England isn't exactly breeding ground for vegans ... eh lcuk? May 19 21:29:41 lcuk: honestly, people could replace the tofu with something meaty in most of the recipes and be just fine May 19 21:29:51 * lcuk nods at dawn May 19 21:30:13 lbt, same as anywhere May 19 21:30:26 lcuk: you never met my granny May 19 21:30:37 my nana once made rice pudding May 19 21:30:47 odd thing was, she forgot to add the rice May 19 21:30:52 yeah... that's pretty radical vegitarianism there May 19 21:31:12 she spent the entire time cooking it wondering she was forgetting something May 19 21:31:22 * lcuk does not know why that just entered head May 19 21:31:29 but it made me giggle anyway :) May 19 21:31:42 lbt: pretty easy for me because I was never a big meat / dairy fan May 19 21:31:43 you're not alone :) May 19 21:31:51 I haven't had meat since the 80s :) May 19 21:32:05 and I've been vegan for 15+ years May 19 21:32:20 old hat / habit now as much as anything else May 19 21:32:53 lcuk: my mom did that once, but she forgot the sugar in her pumkin pie May 19 21:33:03 I know what you mean May 19 21:33:13 people just sprinkled sugar on top & ate it anyway May 19 21:33:22 * lbt packs something else May 19 21:34:45 hi, why is http://build.meego.com/ user registration disabled? May 19 21:35:19 papalote is one of the best places to go in sf to please omnivores, vegetarians and vegans i've learnt May 19 21:35:44 mexican food, mission burritos being the main thing May 19 21:36:52 tried to create account to get in and build my programs for meego May 19 21:37:24 jykae: that's the official server May 19 21:37:29 accounts given only on need basis May 19 21:37:36 use build.pub.meego.com for your own needs May 19 21:37:51 aha, thanks! May 19 21:43:12 hi May 19 21:43:37 what cpu is the meego 1.2 images for netbook built for ? May 19 21:43:41 it says ia32 May 19 21:43:59 but some ...most applictaions in it does not seem to run on my celeron based netbook May 19 21:45:11 "illegal instruction" May 19 21:58:20 MeeGoBot: supported cpue? May 19 21:58:23 gabrbedd: Sorry, I've no idea what 'supported cpue' might be. May 19 21:58:27 MeeGoBot: supported cpus? May 19 21:58:30 gabrbedd: Sorry, I've no idea what 'supported cpus' might be. May 19 21:58:45 MeeGoBot: supported processors May 19 21:58:47 gabrbedd: Was it not... er, someone, who said: Supported Processors are http://wiki.meego.com/Supported_Processors May 19 21:58:56 dvoid_: ^^ May 19 22:00:04 dvoid_: Also, if you're on x86... you also need an intel graphics card. May 19 22:12:52 how's the Lenovo on 1.2 ? May 19 22:13:53 lbt: Try and you'll see. ;) May 19 22:14:08 Everyone experience different things. May 19 22:14:22 so I can't find something to use as a HW button May 19 22:14:37 so getting back to the panel is rather tricky May 19 22:14:47 bluetooth and wifi are OK May 19 22:15:02 is this tabletux? May 19 22:15:09 it doesn't know I have a keyboard (how did I know that was going to be an epic fail) May 19 22:15:10 yes lcuk May 19 22:15:52 where is the image download link? May 19 22:16:39 https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-tablet-developer-preview << that one? May 19 22:16:44 yes May 19 22:19:02 oh UX, you are so good at making us look silly: May 19 22:19:08 "Press and hold on an empty area in the application grid to launch personalization options in Settings." May 19 22:19:37 * lcuk foresees a future where pressing randomly on walls and desks will be commonplace May 19 22:20:42 lcuk: found it :) May 19 22:21:04 press the power button twice ... takes you back to the panel view May 19 22:21:05 lbt, it? May 19 22:21:09 ahh May 19 22:21:16 (via the BIOS screen of course) May 19 22:21:20 click your heels too May 19 22:22:11 hopefully, once meego takeup improves and storefront displays get it (ie touchscreen through shop window) the hardware button will be software May 19 22:26:13 lbt, I went through all ~6000 random sketches in liqbase archives and (until I got bored and tired fingers) filtered them to ~250 May 19 22:26:37 I have the sketch of the calendar :) May 19 22:27:30 when I release the graffiti wall, I am going to leave these sketches in to get people started, there is one that says "shopper top 10" for some reason May 19 22:38:01 lbt: if you're using that "developer preview" release from march 30, you're running a very basic image that was given out as "pre-alpha" May 19 22:39:02 it's far from meego 1.2, and the tablet ux last i heard was largely internal for a lot of it May 19 22:39:44 *snerk* May 19 22:39:47 ieatlint: ? May 19 22:40:00 following links here: https://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2011/meego-1.2-release May 19 22:40:33 lbt: tablet ux on my lenovo as of yesterday has a functional hardware keyboard, so that'd be weird if it suddenly broke May 19 22:41:03 lbt: yeah, look at the link there May 19 22:41:15 "Released: 30 Mar 2011" May 19 22:41:33 w00t_: it looks like I'm using a very old image... silly me... expecting a post from Imad dated 19/May to link to an image newer than 31/March May 19 22:42:00 lbt: heh, i guess that's a mistake May 19 22:42:11 DawnFoster: ^^ May 19 22:42:27 that release was just meant to be a development test platform for trying applications May 19 22:42:42 ieatlint: so... what image should I be using? May 19 22:42:48 there is a new image for tablet May 19 22:43:24 that's a typo in the release date May 19 22:43:53 download link takes you to image from Tuesday May 19 22:44:01 oh, indeed it does May 19 22:44:07 yes... you're right ... the image name is meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1.img May 19 22:44:28 I remember a release right around kde camp back at that date… perhaps they copy/pasted the page :) May 19 22:44:28 https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-tablet-developer-preview is where the date is bad May 19 22:44:34 I'll talk to Mike about fixing the date May 19 22:45:12 ieatlint: w00t_ so.... I do have a new image... and the HW keyb works.... but the sw keyb pops up and blocks any view of the entry May 19 22:45:32 and the Lenovo has no 'top left' button May 19 22:45:32 sounds like symbian :P May 19 22:45:38 lbt: ah, right, well. that is a problem, yes May 19 22:45:57 I wonder if the lenovo has a keyboard sensor that could be hooked up May 19 22:46:02 top left? May 19 22:46:15 press the windows key if you mean the switcher May 19 22:46:25 w00t_: mmm that didn't work May 19 22:46:50 oh, perhaps it's changed and become magically configurable now... May 19 22:46:53 I'm not sure May 19 22:47:50 ok, mrshaver is fixing the date on the tablet page May 19 22:48:11 w00t_: this time it works ... I blame me though May 19 22:48:44 w00t_: since you are knowledgeable... May 19 22:48:52 can you close an app May 19 22:49:11 tap and hold on the icon in the switcher May 19 22:49:40 *g* ta May 19 22:49:59 * w00t_ really wishes tap and hold wasn't so prominent May 19 22:50:03 it's not very discoverable May 19 22:52:00 gabrbedd: hee hee hee :) May 19 22:55:26 cyas **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 20 03:00:00 2011