**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 22 02:59:58 2011
May 22 03:05:41 <Myrtti> I'm feeling absolutely surreal
May 22 03:06:39 <wmarone_> surreal, huh?
May 22 03:09:11 <Myrtti> aw, my laptop powerbrick is incompatible with my AC adapter
May 22 03:09:16 <Myrtti> -->
May 22 03:09:23 <Myrtti> yes, very surreal
May 22 03:09:34 <wmarone_> wow, that sucks
May 22 03:12:59 <wmarone_> I'd check if the front desk doesn't have any cables, might not need if they do
May 22 03:51:56 * mikeleib waves to thiago_muc 
May 22 03:53:04 * mikeleib will party with fellow MeeGoers on Monday!
May 22 03:56:29 <Myrtti> wmarone_: thanks, that's a good idea
May 22 04:38:48 <iekku> evening
May 22 04:44:51 <Myrtti> $timeofday
May 22 04:45:01 <gabrbedd> hi iekku
May 22 04:45:27 <berndhs> wayy past midnight, iekku is late
May 22 04:45:56 <iekku> berndhs, nooo, it's 21:42
May 22 04:46:20 <gabrbedd> berndhs: are you going to meegoconf?
May 22 04:46:27 <iekku> Myrtti, i think i saw you when you arrived to hotel
May 22 04:46:34 <berndhs> no, cant swing the conference
May 22 04:46:44 <gabrbedd> berndhs: :-(
May 22 04:46:52 <berndhs> indeed
May 22 04:47:33 <Myrtti> iekku: yup, dazed and tired as hell
May 22 04:48:58 <iekku> Myrtti, i hear you sister :)
May 22 09:53:54 <jykae> have fun at meego conf, will follow live stream
May 22 10:18:35 <lcuk> jykae, live stream url?
May 22 10:18:59 <lcuk> morning lardman, have you had bacon yet?
May 22 10:24:10 <jykae> lcuk: http://sf2011.meego.com/program/live-streaming
May 22 10:24:43 <jykae> could be tough in finnish timezone, though :)
May 22 10:25:23 * lcuk nods
May 22 10:25:52 <lcuk> thanks jykae I have it bookmarks, are those times US/SF normalised then?
May 22 10:26:42 <jykae> I think SFO local times
May 22 10:26:53 <dm8tbr> what's that time offset to UTC?
May 22 10:28:23 <jykae> live stream says 3:24 SFO time
May 22 10:30:05 <jykae> it's -10 hours offset from finnish timezone :D
May 22 10:30:50 <jykae> well, it's prob recorded also..
May 22 10:32:01 <lcuk> heh
May 22 10:32:12 <lcuk> what is S3 in regards to suspend/resume?
May 22 10:36:10 <lcuk> 1.2 tablet ux comes complete with some wtf moments
May 22 10:36:13 <jykae> dm8tbr:UTC -7 also..
May 22 10:50:56 <CosmoHill> stupid question, does the Intel G41 chipset support 4GB RAM sticks?
May 22 11:02:35 * timoph curses the -10h time differnce
May 22 11:05:44 <dm8tbr> quite convenient, I can watch the stuff after work :)
May 22 11:06:08 <dm8tbr> esp. as I can't book it on work time anyway
May 22 11:06:30 <timoph> :)
May 22 11:20:26 <mufumbo> anyone going to the conference in sf?
May 22 11:20:55 * timoph is already there
May 22 11:37:38 <lcuk> timoph, which sessions are you going to today?
May 22 11:37:43 <lcuk> the jetlag one, or was that yesterday?
May 22 11:38:28 <timoph> lcuk: :)
May 22 11:38:34 <CosmoHill> oh crap, just ordered 1.65v RAM for a 1.5v motherboard
May 22 11:40:20 <lcuk> timoph, the appup one is this afternoon isn't it?
May 22 11:43:02 <lcuk> CosmoHill, update the order then
May 22 12:25:07 <CosmoHill> send them a query asking them to replace the RAM with different RAM
May 22 12:42:17 <lardman|home> lcuk: morning, sorry for the slow reply, no no bacon croissants instead
May 22 12:46:27 <lcuk> sounds reasonable lardman|home
May 22 12:46:44 <lardman|home> you in SF now then lcuk ?
May 22 12:46:57 * lardman|home wonders how that line parses
May 22 12:52:07 <lcuk> lardman|home, no
May 22 13:16:22 <lcuk> on my ideapad/tablet ux 1.2, the vkb comes up even though it has real keyboard available
May 22 13:17:02 <lcuk> what is a bit more troublesome, is that it covers the network connect textboxes and cannot move the keyboard or the ui to see contents
May 22 13:25:22 <lcuk> bug 17810
May 22 13:25:26 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17810 maj, Medium, ---, junmin.zhu, ASSI, Input field is overlapped by VKB
May 22 14:25:27 <lcuklenovo> is there a workiung xchat build for the n900-de?
May 22 14:26:47 <wmarone_> lcuklenovo: what version of the DE do you have installed?
May 22 14:27:20 <lcuklenovo> wmarone_: daily from 0520 (friday)
May 22 14:27:29 <wmarone_> ok
May 22 14:27:42 * lcuklenovo is sat at ideapad though at the moment
May 22 15:02:58 <Myrtti> right
May 22 15:03:51 <Myrtti> good morning
May 22 15:07:32 <RST38h> Good moorning indeed
May 22 15:09:06 <Myrtti> I probably shouldn't ruin my breakfast with these pretzels
May 22 15:10:35 <Ronksu> morning
May 22 15:13:50 <lcuklenovo> morning Myrtti and RST38h \o
May 22 15:13:55 <lcuklenovo> and Ronksu too
May 22 15:16:12 <Ronksu> hey lcuk
May 22 15:29:00 <lcuklenovo> Myrtti: are you  heading to the maker faaayre?
May 22 15:30:32 <lcuklenovo> fayre *
May 22 15:30:57 <lcuklenovo> faire even ffs :P
May 22 15:34:42 <Myrtti> lcuklenovo: don't know yet
May 22 15:35:25 <lcuklenovo> i didn't know there was so many of them, http://makerfaire.com/
May 22 15:35:41 <lcuklenovo> Myrtti: is it in the hyatt complex or elsewhere?
May 22 15:35:57 <Myrtti> San Bruno, quite a travel away
May 22 15:36:01 <Myrtti> near the SFO
May 22 15:37:13 <lcuklenovo> have you landed and gotten over jetlag already?
May 22 15:37:36 * wmarone_ goes to print out maps to his hotel
May 22 15:37:40 <Myrtti> yeah, landed about 14 hours ago, had a good 10 hour sleep
May 22 15:37:46 <timeless> hello world from MeeGo Conf Warm Up
May 22 15:37:52 <lcuklenovo> \o timeless
May 22 15:37:59 <timeless> (this screen is projected)
May 22 15:38:24 <timeless> oh, i'm looking for suggested projects / problems to walk people through w/ mxr
May 22 15:38:27 <lcuklenovo> hello warmup folks!
May 22 15:38:28 <timeless> anyone have any?
May 22 15:39:15 <lcuklenovo> finding out where random #defines are declared is often used
May 22 15:39:51 <timeless> yeah, but got a specific define or project in mind?
May 22 15:40:03 <lcuklenovo> so some code in random module uses SOMETHING and its value is not known, putting the keyword into mxr will show all places where defined and used through the system
May 22 15:41:29 <lcuklenovo> timeless: hold on, using the other mxr, irc search to see where, I normally paste a link for folks once I see it
May 22 15:41:48 * timeless is confused
May 22 15:41:53 * timeless will wait for a link
May 22 15:42:10 <timeless> currently i'm browsing http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/ivihome/ because it smells like GUI
May 22 15:47:49 * timeless adjusts DPI to make screen somewhat readable
May 22 15:52:20 <lcuklenovo> timeless: ok, so somebody comes into the channel asking a question about mcompositor and a specific variable (simplified example) plumbing the variable they mention into mxr gives:
May 22 15:52:22 <lcuklenovo> http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/search?string=ismcompositor
May 22 15:53:13 <lcuklenovo> it gives a simple way to see how and where that variable is used for people helping
May 22 15:53:29 <lcuklenovo> rather than having to checkout the source, grep contents and potentially all the required dependencies
May 22 15:56:21 <Jaffa> Morning, all
May 22 15:59:34 * timeless nods
May 22 15:59:38 * timeless frowns
May 22 16:00:02 <timeless> i don't seem to have keys to get to MXR from here. i think the only box w/ keys is in a crate on a 6-10 week trip from Finland to Canada ...
May 22 16:00:08 <timeless> thankfully mxr basically just works tm :)
May 22 16:07:33 <lcuklenovo> jaffa have you got one of those laptops which cannot really be used mobile?
May 22 16:08:41 <alterego> Heya
May 22 16:08:55 <alterego> lcuklenovo: in the Intel App Up Labs at the moment :)
May 22 16:09:15 <alterego> I'm within firing distance of Jaffa, do you want me to throw a bagel at him?
May 22 16:09:51 <mikeleib> bagel in the ear always gets somebody's attention
May 22 16:10:25 <alterego> :)
May 22 16:15:26 <lcuk> alterego, cool stuff, what are you learning about?
May 22 16:16:13 <ieatlint> alterego: you are somewhere near me as well then
May 22 16:23:28 <alterego> lcuk: nothing at the moment.
May 22 16:23:34 <alterego> ieatlint: where are you, I'm right at the back,.
May 22 16:23:41 <alterego> Next to thp :)
May 22 16:23:59 <alterego> lcuk: They're talking about what we're going to be talking about.
May 22 16:24:04 <alterego> Currently obtaining the SDK
May 22 16:24:43 <ieatlint> i'm far right, 2nd row from front
May 22 16:25:01 <Jay_BEE> good morning
May 22 16:25:10 <ieatlint> morning
May 22 16:25:39 <lcuk> alterego, lol
May 22 16:25:52 <lcuk> everyone in irc and in appup do a mexican wave!
May 22 16:26:05 <alterego> ieatlint: near the wall
May 22 16:26:12 <alterego> Heh
May 22 16:26:17 <alterego> I don't think everyone is in here :P
May 22 16:26:24 <ieatlint> yeah, you must be directly behind me by several rows
May 22 16:26:36 <alterego> I'm middle right, back row.
May 22 16:26:46 <Jaffa> lcuk: My laptop lasts about 90 minutes.
May 22 16:26:50 <ieatlint> ah
May 22 16:26:54 <Jaffa> lcuk: bit longer
May 22 16:27:05 <ieatlint> there's power at the back corners of the room, and a couple places on the sides
May 22 16:27:07 <ieatlint> i'm plugged in :P
May 22 16:27:24 <lcuk> Jaffa, ahh
May 22 16:27:28 <alterego> My battery should last about 3-4 hours
May 22 16:27:31 <alterego> So I should be okay.
May 22 16:27:36 <alterego> (Got a 9 cell)
May 22 16:27:38 * Jaffa can see lbt down at the front right corner, I think
May 22 16:27:44 <lcuk> lower screen brightness!
May 22 16:27:47 * Jaffa has a 4 cell
May 22 16:27:56 <Jaffa> lcuk: I've got power :-)
May 22 16:28:21 <lcuk> do you have a wizards hat and a magic wand too?
May 22 16:28:48 <ieatlint> i accidentally left mine at home :(
May 22 16:28:56 <RST38h> So, folks, all in SF, prepared for tomorrow?
May 22 16:28:58 <lcuk> ieatlint, for shame.
May 22 16:29:03 <lcuk> n900 has a magic wand slot!
May 22 16:29:11 <iekku> :D
May 22 16:29:26 <ieatlint> hmmm, i do have that on me then
May 22 16:29:43 <lbt> hey Jaffa :)
May 22 16:30:45 <ieatlint> is the person in the front right on irc in here?
May 22 16:30:55 <timsamoff> lcuk: I didn't know it was for a "wand," but I slept very well after I found it.
May 22 16:30:55 <ieatlint> cause i'm the guy directly behind you
May 22 16:31:37 <lcuk> timsamoff, narwhal docking port
May 22 16:31:47 <alterego> BAGEL FIGHT!
May 22 16:32:06 <timsamoff> lcuk, if the unicorn doesn't run off with it first.
May 22 16:32:16 <ieatlint> people should avoid the urge to scream profanitiies in #meego-sdk right now
May 22 16:32:18 <lcuk> lol timsamoff
May 22 16:32:23 <lcuk> that should be covered by warranty
May 22 16:32:43 <RST38h> ieatlint: what is with meego sdk?
May 22 16:32:56 <timsamoff> I want to see what Jaffa's power is... If Jaffa were a superhero, he would be...
May 22 16:32:56 <ieatlint> the channel was on the projector for a min
May 22 16:33:37 <RST38h> Wait, has the conference strted already?
May 22 16:33:51 <ieatlint> conference warm-up sessions
May 22 16:33:56 <lcuk> timsamoff, rich tea biscuit dunker saver - he would dash into the room with a sieve and catch all the bits
May 22 16:34:01 <RST38h> Ah
May 22 16:34:01 <ieatlint> currently a intel appup event
May 22 16:34:03 <Jay_BEE> <--- in rooms F & G (next door to rooms D & E)
May 22 16:34:24 <TSCHAKeee> I wish I was there, but I've blown my travel budget literally dating and having great sex.
May 22 16:34:31 <Jaffa> ieatlint: The one who asked about root install? That's lbt
May 22 16:34:35 * timsamoff lol
May 22 16:34:41 <dm8tbr> TSCHAKeee: at least you got something in return ;)
May 22 16:34:47 <ieatlint> yes, we've introduced ourselves :)
May 22 16:34:50 <lbt> Jaffa: we've met now :)
May 22 16:34:50 <Jaffa> TSCHAKeee: Get married. It's cheaper. But with less sex
May 22 16:34:54 <ieatlint> we should do lunch or something
May 22 16:34:56 <lcuk> TSCHAKeee, at the same time, or do you alternate nights?
May 22 16:35:05 <Jay_BEE> heh.
May 22 16:35:11 <lbt> how come my install fails?
May 22 16:35:14 <TSCHAKeee> lcuk: i've been bouncing back and forth between here (boston) and Ireland
May 22 16:35:18 <TSCHAKeee> luck: for the last three months
May 22 16:35:22 <lbt> ./meego-sdk-installer-online-20110519   ?
May 22 16:35:24 <TSCHAKeee> dating a wonderful woman
May 22 16:35:37 <ieatlint> what error do you get?
May 22 16:35:38 <TSCHAKeee> staying there roughly two weeks out of the month.
May 22 16:35:47 <TSCHAKeee> each pass.
May 22 16:36:24 <lbt> so is this where we organise group heckles for Bob then ?
May 22 16:36:42 <TSCHAKeee> ;)
May 22 16:36:47 <lcuk> lbt, is there a local sdk downloader available?
May 22 16:36:50 <timsamoff> lbt, would there be a countdown here on IRC or something? ;)
May 22 16:36:55 <lcuk> or cd key etc
May 22 16:37:20 <lbt> lcuk: I brought a copy ... was going to suggest a usb sharing system
May 22 16:37:26 <lcuk> I am guessing a room full of people trying to download 500mb+ would be a bit taxing on the connection
May 22 16:37:31 <lbt> timsamoff: we need a question
May 22 16:37:31 <ieatlint> yeah, i looked for a meego sdk offline download; there doesn't seem to be any for 1.2
May 22 16:37:40 <lcuk> lbt, but your sdk is the online version (25mb or so)
May 22 16:37:59 <lbt> oh well
May 22 16:38:01 <timsamoff> lbt: What does SDK stand for? :p
May 22 16:38:26 <lbt> timsamoff: heh ... like it
May 22 16:38:31 <Jay_BEE> Sam, David, Ken
May 22 16:38:35 <Jay_BEE> ...
May 22 16:38:44 <ieatlint> shiny donkey kong
May 22 16:38:46 * RST38h switches to #meego, as there appears to be more activity here =)
May 22 16:38:48 <ali1234> some dude's koala
May 22 16:39:00 <TSCHAKeee> see that meteor? that's the joke careening into a crater.
May 22 16:39:00 <timsamoff> lbt: either that, or: What does "ftw" stand for again?
May 22 16:39:42 <Jay_BEE> fog the windows!
May 22 16:39:48 <lcuk> earlier on timeless mentioned that irc was being projected somewhere
May 22 16:40:19 <ieatlint> they're handing out free windows licences here
May 22 16:40:23 <ieatlint> it's going to be awesome
May 22 16:40:26 <RST38h> OMG
May 22 16:40:32 <RST38h> I am sure people areimpressed
May 22 16:40:34 <timsamoff> lcuk: In this session... But, just prior to the session. Not during.
May 22 16:40:45 <lcuk> ieatlint, single or double glazed?
May 22 16:40:50 * timsamoff means in "his" session.
May 22 16:40:57 <ieatlint> i'm not kidding
May 22 16:41:04 <lcuk> lol timsamoff
May 22 16:41:05 <ieatlint> when you get your tablet, it'll have a windows licence with it
May 22 16:41:07 <lcuk> ta
May 22 16:41:16 <TSCHAKeee> ieatlint: that is just... WTF?
May 22 16:41:44 <lcuk> ieatlint, last time I was given a Windows 7 license, it was attached to some kind of lenovo dongle
May 22 16:41:49 <ieatlint> they just ordered a bunch from exopc, and then put meego on them, so there's a windows cd key sticker on the back
May 22 16:41:52 <TSCHAKeee> these tablet designs originally weren't designed to run Windows...
May 22 16:42:05 <ieatlint> TSCHAKeee: they were actually
May 22 16:42:14 <TSCHAKeee> I guess, after Menlow/Moorestown, Microsoft felt all butt hurt.
May 22 16:42:15 <ieatlint> the wetab used the hardware design from exopc, not the other way around
May 22 16:42:41 <alterego> I heard the HDMI drivers for the exo doesn't work.
May 22 16:42:45 * TSCHAKeee wants an eXoPC :(
May 22 16:42:50 * mikeleib hasn't gotten them to werk
May 22 16:42:53 <TSCHAKeee> can someone grab one for me? :) please?
May 22 16:43:15 * mikeleib had hoped to present from exopc, but not looking likely
May 22 16:44:29 <RST38h> Menlow stands for the 2008 Centrino platform
May 22 16:44:48 <mikeleib> umm.. I don't think so
May 22 16:45:28 <RST38h> Sorry, no Centrino but obviously 2008
May 22 16:45:58 <mikeleib> ohwait.. it seemed to have been once called centrino atom
May 22 16:46:17 <RST38h> Yes, but the name did not stick :)
May 22 16:46:20 <mikeleib> anyway.. it's an atom with a specific chipset.  It was the predecessor to moorestown
May 22 16:46:46 <lcuk> are there decent stands for the exopc?
May 22 16:47:01 <lcuk> I could not use one without one, the idepad is awesome in that regard
May 22 16:47:14 <lcuk> ideapad^
May 22 16:47:23 * mikeleib has some little folding jobber that works ok
May 22 16:47:27 <ieatlint> lcuk: there is an official stand
May 22 16:47:34 <ieatlint> we may be getting them with the tablets today
May 22 16:47:45 <lcuk> ieatlint, ooOOOO
May 22 16:47:47 <lcuk> brb
May 22 16:47:54 <ieatlint> they did this event at GDC, two sessions like today, and inexplicably one of the sessions they gave out stands and the other session they didn't
May 22 16:48:15 <mikeleib> the accessory those things really need is a usb keyboard
May 22 16:48:28 <ieatlint> yes, usb keyboard is at times essential
May 22 16:48:32 <ieatlint> especially for meego 1.2
May 22 16:48:36 <mikeleib> for example, in installing meego
May 22 16:48:48 <mikeleib> or running emacs
May 22 16:48:49 <alterego> Can't wait to use malik on Maliit
May 22 16:48:54 <alterego> Eh?
May 22 16:49:00 <alterego> Maliit on it ..
May 22 16:49:17 * mikeleib wonders if the appropriate bridge will work for emacs
May 22 16:49:22 <mikeleib> that would be slick
May 22 16:49:51 <lbt> looks like a dependency on libpng12 or something
May 22 16:49:51 <ieatlint> is he about to give out his ip after telling everyone his root password?
May 22 16:50:40 <ieatlint> lbt: that's a classic issue with qt
May 22 16:50:55 <ieatlint> qt requires libpng12, but current libpng is around 1.4+
May 22 16:50:59 <lbt> looking for a w/around
May 22 16:51:03 <alterego> Heh
May 22 16:51:09 <lbt> http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/4947 ... :(
May 22 16:51:13 <ieatlint> typically linux distros end up keeping a lib of 1.2 around just for qt i believe
May 22 16:52:08 <lbt> I just popped in libpng12-dev to see if needs that ... seems odd though... error is :
May 22 16:52:10 <lbt> Error during installation process(com.meego.sdk.pm):
May 22 16:52:11 <lbt> Execution failed (Unexpected exit code: 127): "/home/david/.config/meego.com/sdk/pm/config_repo"
May 22 16:52:15 <ieatlint> libpng12 also is not binary compatible with 1.4 (predictably), so you will definitely need to get a version of libpng12 installed
May 22 16:55:28 <lcuk> ieatlint, any recent for not using the latest that you know of?
May 22 16:56:03 <alterego> I think I've drunk my weight in coffee.
May 22 16:56:05 <ieatlint> not sure what you're asking
May 22 16:56:13 <ieatlint> you mean for the libpng issue?
May 22 16:56:32 <lcuk> yea
May 22 16:56:36 <ieatlint> i've been told that compiling qt yourself against libpng14 solves this
May 22 16:56:48 <ieatlint> which i believe i've confirmed without knowing it via gentoo linux
May 22 16:57:18 <ieatlint> but if you're using the qt sdk, or the meego sdk, then you're relying on prebuilt qt, and nokia in their infinite wisdom has decided libpng12 is AWESOME
May 22 16:58:11 * Jaffa moans that despite the stuff about "install an SDK beforehand", there was an update n May 19th which included the targets stuff. Grr/mutter/moan.
May 22 16:58:11 * lbt being dim ... assumed that the file in .config/ was the damned config file... not a script
May 22 16:58:41 <alterego> Jay_BEE: are you not installing it now like me? ;)
May 22 16:58:51 <alterego> s/Jay_BEE/JAffa/
May 22 16:58:53 <infobot> alterego meant: JAffa: are you not installing it now like me? ;)
May 22 16:59:06 <Jay_BEE> heh.
May 22 16:59:22 <GAN900> Couch surfing: if you end up with a snail on the end of your laptop power adaptor, don't be surprised.
May 22 16:59:32 <alterego> Heh
May 22 16:59:37 <Jaffa> alterego: I am installing it now, but had been self-congratulating myself on being prepared.
May 22 16:59:46 <alterego> :)
May 22 16:59:57 <alterego> Well, I already have _my_ MeeGo SDK installed ;)
May 22 17:00:11 <alterego> But I'm a bit above all of the material so far, as I think a lot of us are ;
May 22 17:00:31 <Jaffa> An SDK lets you develop software. Who knew? :)
May 22 17:00:43 <Jaffa> It's like a kit.
May 22 17:01:14 <alterego> Yeah, for like, software development or something.
May 22 17:01:28 * timsamoff likes flying kits... No, wait...
May 22 17:01:40 <blauzahl> are you all at the meego conference? is there anything going on yet?
May 22 17:01:42 <ieatlint> i'm content with the qt sdk for now…
May 22 17:01:52 <lbt> anyone know where the installer log lives?
May 22 17:01:57 <CosmoHill> ooo, they released the core on it;s own
May 22 17:02:14 <ieatlint> blauzahl: yeah, they announced the nokia n950 and gave each of us one
May 22 17:02:35 <blauzahl> ieatlint: oh, did they run out?
May 22 17:02:43 * blauzahl didn't see a schedule for today, other than the intel session
May 22 17:03:10 <alterego> I just got booted off of the etherpad.
May 22 17:03:11 <ieatlint> yeah, and the intel thing is fully booked now
May 22 17:03:22 <blauzahl> oh, i'm already registered for it
May 22 17:03:43 <blauzahl> i'm just wondering if i should go over RIGHT NOW, or stick to my original plan of waiting till after lunch
May 22 17:04:06 <GAN900> blauzahl, same question here. *g*
May 22 17:04:34 <blauzahl> i'll give someone a kde sticker if you go ask :)
May 22 17:04:49 <Jaffa> blauzahl: You have an allocated session. You turn up for that one.
May 22 17:04:54 <Jay_BEE> there are 2 separate sessions... one at 9a and the other at 2p
May 22 17:05:09 <blauzahl> oh, so did they give one out at the 9am one then?
May 22 17:05:31 <alterego> There's quite a few people ina the after lunch session too.
May 22 17:05:53 <blauzahl> i was wondering if the "half hour registration" meant we might get something :)
May 22 17:05:57 <Jaffa> blauzahl: There's a specific point in the session at which they are handed out. Not yet.
May 22 17:06:00 <Jay_BEE> the one which started at 9am is still in-session
May 22 17:06:07 <Jay_BEE> until 12p
May 22 17:06:16 <blauzahl> ok, but that's where they are being handed out? excellent
May 22 17:06:32 <blauzahl> (in the session, i mean)
May 22 17:06:51 <ieatlint> everyone in here is likely busy until this session ends around 12-12:30
May 22 17:07:32 <Sage_> Ayone up for a late breakfast?
May 22 17:08:16 <blauzahl> so you are at the morning intel session atm then?
May 22 17:09:25 <wmarone_> hmm
May 22 17:09:40 <Jaffa> blauzahl: A few of us are, yup
May 22 17:10:16 <ieatlint> yeah, seemingly ~6 or so of us
May 22 17:10:48 <blauzahl> well, who wants to get up before 9am? :)
May 22 17:11:28 <blauzahl> but the only official stuff happening today are those two sessions?
May 22 17:11:59 <Jaffa> blauzahl: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011#MeeGo_Conference_Warm-Up
May 22 17:12:08 <ieatlint> nah, there's some other stuff
May 22 17:12:18 <blauzahl> perfect, thanks!
May 22 17:12:22 <ieatlint> i'm getting paid to be here though, that's why i got up at 8am on a sunday
May 22 17:12:59 <blauzahl> wow, a trebuchet. those are hard to build
May 22 17:13:40 <Jaffa> blauzahl: Indeed, ask lbt...
May 22 17:13:42 <Jaffa> :)
May 22 17:14:00 <lbt> blauzahl: worth the effort though
May 22 17:14:11 <blauzahl> one hour to build one? is that possible?
May 22 17:14:23 <lbt> it fired ... but the launch basket didn't hold the bird
May 22 17:15:06 * lbt thought the rail gun shoulda won though
May 22 17:15:22 <timsamoff> lbt's probably had more torque than anyone's, though.
May 22 17:15:41 <blauzahl> i hope there's photos
May 22 17:15:58 <lbt> yeah ... it had some kick!
May 22 17:16:12 <lbt> and it used wooden nails too
May 22 17:16:23 <lbt> not just glue
May 22 17:16:40 <timsamoff> True, but ours used glue sticks for pivot-points.
May 22 17:16:44 <lbt> Q: How do I install the damned SDK
May 22 17:16:48 <lbt> timsamoff: nice idea
May 22 17:17:34 <ieatlint> A: just put the meego netbook image into a virtual machine and develop via it ;)
May 22 17:17:55 <blauzahl> glue sticks for pivot points sounds like it would break...
May 22 17:18:11 <blauzahl> well, ok, i'll see you all after lunch then :)
May 22 17:18:42 <timsamoff> Surprisingly, everyone built pretty solid structures.
May 22 17:18:47 <Jaffa> alterego: timsamoff: Definitely fancy doing something exploratory this afternoon. Maybe walk from the hotel round to Fisherman's Wharf and then back up to the city center
May 22 17:21:29 <GAN900> Waiting out a snail to charge your laptop . . . http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5746848777/
May 22 17:21:59 <CosmoHill> wtf
May 22 17:22:10 <timsamoff> Jaffa: Sounds good.
May 22 17:22:17 <blauzahl> if you look on google maps, it shows restraunts and has links to yelp reviews
May 22 17:23:04 <GAN900> Jaffa, I'm in on that. About what time?
May 22 17:23:41 <Jaffa> GAN900: This finishes about 12:30. So, say, 1pm in the atrium or hacker lounge?
May 22 17:26:18 <GAN900> OK
May 22 17:31:57 <CosmoHill> I just found a text file from when we took the vote for the community OBS URL
May 22 17:31:58 <alterego> Sounds great
May 22 17:32:11 <CosmoHill> of the 21 suggestions, 5 came from texrat
May 22 17:33:26 <alterego> Jaffa: ^
May 22 17:33:58 * timsamoff thinks that should just change the darn thing to Q.T. It would save a whole lot of confusion...
May 22 17:34:54 <alterego> Sage_: went to a nice dinner in townTHey're pretty much interchangable really ;)
May 22 17:37:19 <ieatlint> I have time after this session… need to be back at the hotel at 4pm, but if you guys want to take a trip around, I'd enjoy going with and can help you guys figure out how to get from point a to b
May 22 17:42:37 <Jaffa> ieatlint: Happy to have more ppl, but I know (roughly) my way round SF. JavaOne a couple too many times :-)
May 22 17:42:38 * CosmoHill wonders if he should use RAID 4 or 5
May 22 17:42:58 <ieatlint> haha, fair enough
May 22 17:50:15 <fcn> I see two versions for download. Is the only difference between those two one has chrome and the other doesn't?
May 22 17:50:16 <ieatlint> huh, didn't realize that meego used madde
May 22 17:50:17 <ieatlint> nice
May 22 17:50:37 <timsamoff> I have a MeeGo UX question... It was cool to see the "auto" back button implementation on the app demo during the last guys talk, but... What about the "Next Page" buttons? Is that left up to the developer? Or are there some sort of defined guidelines for them? I'm asking, because that particular app didn't make me think so.
May 22 17:51:05 <timsamoff> Anyone know?
May 22 17:51:08 <lcuk> timsamoff, I have noticed quite many ux issues
May 22 17:51:26 <lcuk> and in the tablet ux I believe there is a hwkey that does it
May 22 17:52:02 <timsamoff> lcuk, hmmm... Weird. But no virtual button docs?
May 22 17:53:27 <Jaffa> MeeGo Compliance is an open process.
May 22 17:53:32 <Jaffa> Arguable.
May 22 17:53:49 <ieatlint> i just hope it's less painful than the ovi store
May 22 17:54:15 <timsamoff> Jaffa, and I'll believe the "future proofing" when I see it.
May 22 17:54:52 <lcuk> qt future proofing would be: taking earlier qt apps from (for instance) maemo and having them just work
May 22 17:54:56 <lcuk> on now systems
May 22 17:55:04 <timsamoff> Right, but...
May 22 17:55:10 <timsamoff> ...
May 22 17:56:05 <mikhas> lcuk, cheap shot
May 22 17:56:09 <lcuk> timsamoff, http://www.bricklin.com/visicalc.htm
May 22 17:56:12 <ieatlint> certain qt apps for maemo might work, but as the qt libs for maemo are not standard, it may not
May 22 17:56:13 <lcuk> mikhas, why cheap shot?
May 22 17:56:31 <lcuk> ieatlint, simpler, standard qt then
May 22 17:56:33 <timsamoff> :)
May 22 17:56:36 <ieatlint> and then there are a few maemo specific qt stuffs, like their toasting api
May 22 17:56:55 <lcuk> ieatlint, of course
May 22 17:57:00 <lcuk> venemo knows more than most actually
May 22 17:57:10 <lcuk> his app is fully usable and builds for anything n8x0 up
May 22 17:57:16 <kahless> hey ho, quick question :) where can i access my irc within meego (its connected, but i cant find any way to join a channel and/or chat)
May 22 17:57:16 <ieatlint> cool
May 22 17:57:18 <lcuk> and the other main distros he tests against
May 22 17:57:27 <ieatlint> yeah, i'm much more of a user of the sdks than anything higher up
May 22 17:57:57 <mikhas> lcuk, was there ever a real promise that classic Qt apps would "just work"?
May 22 17:58:07 <lcuk> "code once, deploy anywhere"
May 22 17:58:14 <lcuk> yes
May 22 17:58:25 <mikhas> wasn't the whole discussion since 2009 that you "only need to rewrite the UI for each form factor"?
May 22 17:58:38 <mikhas> I remember such talks from Amsterdam at least ...
May 22 17:58:47 <timsamoff> mikhas, definitely, yes. That was the "idea."
May 22 17:59:10 <mikhas> and now we realize this idea is bad?
May 22 17:59:17 <lcuk> I know on the whole if you stick to core unchanged apis it does work
May 22 17:59:18 <berndhs> mikhas: yes but then there have been things like qt-components or MTF that only exist on 1 version of 1 platform
May 22 18:00:29 <TSCHAKeee> basically dui/MTF totally ruined that one
May 22 18:00:37 <TSCHAKeee> and I still wonder, WHAT ABOUT HARMATTAN?
May 22 18:00:43 <mikhas> hah yes, blame it on us ;-)
May 22 18:00:44 <TSCHAKeee> there is a phone about to come out withi t
May 22 18:01:02 <TSCHAKeee> what the hell API are we supposed to use?
May 22 18:01:03 * mikhas puts on asbestos-proof MTF hat
May 22 18:01:27 <TSCHAKeee> this is a legitimate concern, which may very well wind up neutering an otherwise awesome phone
May 22 18:01:39 <TSCHAKeee> castrating
May 22 18:01:42 <TSCHAKeee> whatever, you get thei dea.
May 22 18:02:06 <TSCHAKeee> is this question going to be answered at this conference?
May 22 18:02:10 <TSCHAKeee> I sure as hell hope so.
May 22 18:02:19 <TSCHAKeee> should be question #1 answered.
May 22 18:02:26 <berndhs> the present situation is that there is no half-way common API for devices that actually exist
May 22 18:02:27 <timsamoff> Depending on whom you choose to ask...
May 22 18:02:50 <TSCHAKeee> berndhs: yes, this is disasterous
May 22 18:02:56 <Jaffa> TSCHAKeee: QML using Qt Quick Components for Harmattan. QML using MeeGo Components for MeeGo Tablet
May 22 18:03:12 <TSCHAKeee> Jaffa: and next week?
May 22 18:03:15 <TSCHAKeee> ;)
May 22 18:03:22 <Jaffa> TSCHAKeee: With vivainio and others saying that MeeGo Components should/will build on top of Qt Quick Components.
May 22 18:03:25 <timsamoff> Jaffa, except that the UI/UX will be slightly different... Which is annoyingly bad.
May 22 18:03:37 <Jaffa> Absolutely
May 22 18:03:42 <mikhas> TSCHAKeee, that's the whole point, isn't it? All promises so far didn't live very long.
May 22 18:04:04 <TSCHAKeee> mikhas: yes, and that has hurt this platform more than anything else.
May 22 18:04:09 <TSCHAKeee> we don't know what the hell we're supposed to use
May 22 18:04:16 <mikhas> and to answer your question: tomorrow it's HTML5
May 22 18:04:27 <mikhas> (yes, I actually do believe that)
May 22 18:04:39 <TSCHAKeee> mikhas: and yes, I understand the hurt... I've been on your side of the table before.
May 22 18:05:02 <berndhs> yeah and then everything will be web-apps and nothing runs on the devices except 1 browser
May 22 18:05:09 <TSCHAKeee> in my case, when I made the mistake, I cost myself my company.
May 22 18:05:16 <Jaffa> Ouch
May 22 18:06:40 <TSCHAKeee> the solution is to present a single face to development, like everybody else has.
May 22 18:06:50 <TSCHAKeee> no matter how much fudging you have to do underneath.
May 22 18:07:03 <TSCHAKeee> purists don't last long in the real world.
May 22 18:07:15 <mikhas> yup
May 22 18:07:26 <TSCHAKeee> and with that..
May 22 18:07:33 <alterego> There has been an eruption in iceland that might effect uk airspace :S
May 22 18:07:37 * TSCHAKeee hugs mikhas, all you guys have worked so hard.
May 22 18:07:43 <thiago> yeah, saw that
May 22 18:08:05 <berndhs> several people might be stuck in the americas :)
May 22 18:08:10 <Jaffa> "What does Qt and QML stand for?"
May 22 18:08:14 <fcn> is there any other difference between version which includes chrome and version that doesn't?
May 22 18:08:21 <thiago> Qt has no expansion, it's not an acronym
May 22 18:08:24 <ieatlint> someone ask what qt declarative is now
May 22 18:08:26 <thiago> QML is Qt Metaobject Language
May 22 18:08:34 <thiago> I prefer "Qt Magic Language"
May 22 18:08:43 <Jaffa> thiago: I know this. This bloke here is asking silly questions. Previously "What does GCC stand for?"
May 22 18:09:03 <Jaffa> fcn: One is Chrome. The other is Chromium.
May 22 18:09:18 <ieatlint> yes, this guy also spilled coffee on me
May 22 18:09:29 <fcn> Jaffa: thanks. and that's all, huh?
May 22 18:09:52 <ieatlint> he is "that guy" for this session.
May 22 18:10:27 <ieatlint> he also asked if this would work on the iphone...
May 22 18:10:30 <TSCHAKeee> Jaffa: at least he didn't ask what GNU stands for
May 22 18:10:36 <TSCHAKeee> ;)
May 22 18:10:39 <alterego> ieatlint: hahah :P
May 22 18:10:42 <Jaffa> TSCHAKeee: Heh
May 22 18:10:47 <Jaffa> fcn: Yup, AFAIK
May 22 18:10:53 <alterego> Yeah, he's a fun one.
May 22 18:10:58 <fcn> Jaffa: Thanks again.
May 22 18:11:11 <merlin1991> sounds like you all have great fun sniggering whenever he asks a question
May 22 18:11:12 <timsamoff> If asked, he'd say: "I saw a sign that said 'MeeGo,' so I went."
May 22 18:11:30 <TSCHAKeee> isn't somebody working on a port of Qt to iOS?
May 22 18:11:31 <ieatlint> he was here yesterday at the intro to qt session too
May 22 18:11:46 <timsamoff> ieatlint: I was SO annoyed yesterday.
May 22 18:12:14 <ieatlint> were you at the intro to qt session yesterday?
May 22 18:12:25 <timsamoff> Yep.
May 22 18:12:40 <ieatlint> oh .. hi … i was the guy with the usb keys
May 22 18:13:07 <Jay_BEE> shutting down the lappy
May 22 18:13:17 <timsamoff> Hehe. Cool. He wanted one. ;)
May 22 18:13:27 <ieatlint> what upset you so much yesterday? constructive criticism of the presentation would be welcome :)
May 22 18:13:42 <ieatlint> oh, you mean he did… yeah.. he left at noon thank god
May 22 18:13:44 <Jaffa> ieatlint: I think it was "that guy"
May 22 18:13:53 <timsamoff> No no no... By the guy in the front walking around asking for the USB stick during the talk. That's all.
May 22 18:14:19 <ieatlint> yeah, he came up to me and told me that it "didn't work" at the start of this session
May 22 18:14:23 <ieatlint> then spilled coffee on me
May 22 18:14:40 <Jaffa> ieatlint: Did you throw him oout?
May 22 18:14:44 * timsamoff cringes.
May 22 18:14:59 <TSCHAKeee> wow, sounds like grade A douche.
May 22 18:15:01 <ieatlint> i don't have this magic ejection ability i'm afraid
May 22 18:15:10 * Jaffa misread that.
May 22 18:15:39 <ieatlint> yeah, he quickly said "err, uh, sorry" and then walked away quickly as i tried to dry my shirt with napkins
May 22 18:15:57 <timsamoff> andre__ is confused.
May 22 18:16:00 <ieatlint> i'm not sure which i prefer, coffee spilled on me, or dealing with him asking questions next to me
May 22 18:16:06 <ieatlint> i may have gotten the better end of the deal
May 22 18:16:09 <andre__> timsamoff, is he?
May 22 18:16:17 <timsamoff> He appears to be. :p
May 22 18:17:19 <andre__> timsamoff, it's the usual level of confusion that I need
May 22 18:17:25 <timsamoff> ;)
May 22 18:18:05 <ieatlint> how does the lgpl work with QML?
May 22 18:18:21 <Stskeeps|holiday> ieatlint: case law could be python i guess
May 22 18:18:34 <ieatlint> yeah, that would make sense
May 22 18:18:36 <mikeleib> imports are like linking, AFAIK
May 22 18:18:44 <ieatlint> will look into that out of curiosity at some point
May 22 18:19:09 <Jaffa> Stskeeps|holiday: Are you still on holiday? :)
May 22 18:19:16 <Jaffa> "What is the advantage of MeeGo?"
May 22 18:19:23 <merlin1991> ouch
May 22 18:19:38 <mikeleib> it's cute mascots, obviously ;)
May 22 18:19:38 <mikhas> Jaffa, valid question ;-)
May 22 18:19:44 <Stskeeps|holiday> Jaffa: officially, until tomorrow
May 22 18:20:02 <ieatlint> it's a valid question, but the wrong venue, and the guy asking is not asking the question you think he is
May 22 18:20:06 <timsamoff> I think I might look into using iOS to develop for MeeGo devices... At this point, the deployment would work just the same, right? :p
May 22 18:20:32 <ieatlint> answering it for him is like answering someone at the local mobile phone shop when they ask what the difference between android and iphone is
May 22 18:21:06 <Jaffa> mikhas: It's a wonderful question, given that the "openness" USP is... more marketing. Not one for this session, perhaps
May 22 18:22:13 <clbr> I yesterday installed the current meego tablet UX release on the exopc tablet and today I'm having problems with updating the zypper repos. are there any recent changes in download.meego.com setup?
May 22 18:22:44 <clbr> already changed the baseurls to http://download.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/stable/1.2.0/latest/repos/oss/* but still getting errors
May 22 18:23:47 <zehjotkah> hi guys
May 22 18:24:25 <Stskeeps|holiday> morn
May 22 18:25:33 <zehjotkah> how are you carsten, over there in the hackers lounge?
May 22 18:30:25 * timsamoff shakes head...
May 22 18:30:46 * lcukn900 shakes n900
May 22 18:30:48 <ieatlint> just treat it as comical, and feel sorry for the presenter
May 22 18:31:01 <timsamoff> Yes. I would not want to be up there.
May 22 18:33:02 * Jaffa gets pointed at #meegoconf as another IRC channel
May 22 18:36:38 <Jaffa> If he asks "what does PNG stand for?"...
May 22 18:36:50 <ieatlint> haha
May 22 18:37:05 <timsamoff> I think I might be able to hit him with a crumpled up napkin from here.
May 22 18:37:07 <ieatlint> i'm tempted to ask now
May 22 18:37:09 <timsamoff> Never mind.
May 22 18:37:38 <timsamoff> What's HTML?
May 22 18:37:57 <Stskeeps|holiday> What is the meaning of life?
May 22 18:38:03 <ieatlint> ask how this integrates with facebook now
May 22 18:38:23 <timsamoff> If anyone's going to find an answer to the meaning of life, it will be this guy.
May 22 18:38:35 <vldcnst> what event are you guys trolling?
May 22 18:38:35 <Jaffa> "Can I upload Facebook's index.html to create an offline Facebook HTML5 application?"
May 22 18:38:50 <timsamoff> Jaffa lmao.
May 22 18:38:55 <Jaffa> vldcnst: We're not trolling the session, the guy is.
May 22 18:39:06 <vldcnst> attending*
May 22 18:39:38 <ieatlint> trolling requires intent… if this guy is actually trolling, i applaud him
May 22 18:40:12 <ieatlint> oooh, he's getting so close to asking what png stands for
May 22 18:40:19 <ieatlint> HAHA
May 22 18:40:21 <timsamoff> YES!
May 22 18:40:23 <timsamoff> FTW!
May 22 18:40:27 <Jaffa> Do I win?
May 22 18:40:42 <timsamoff> My day has been made. We've all won.
May 22 18:40:45 <ieatlint> yes, you win so much
May 22 18:40:47 <beford> :>
May 22 18:41:05 <lcukn900> who asked and who giggled most?
May 22 18:41:41 <Jaffa> The guy asked.
May 22 18:41:51 <lcukn900> who guy?
May 22 18:41:53 <Jaffa> I think the whole room growned.
May 22 18:41:58 <timsamoff> THE guy.
May 22 18:41:59 <Jaffa> s/own/oan/
May 22 18:41:59 <infobot> Jaffa meant: I think the whole room groaned.
May 22 18:42:01 * lcukn900 does not have context
May 22 18:42:20 <Jaffa> lcukn900: There's a guy in the AppUp session asking about every little thing. Every time there's a TLA, he asks what it means.
May 22 18:42:27 <ieatlint> there's "that guy" here who keeps asking inane questions and has no idea what is going on
May 22 18:42:29 <Jaffa> GCC, RPM, PNG, ...
May 22 18:42:43 <lcukn900> lol
May 22 18:42:51 <lcukn900> ask what lol means :D
May 22 18:43:01 <ShadowJK> maybe he should reply with a "STFU"
May 22 18:43:13 <Jaffa> It isn't entirely clear he knows anything about MeeGo.
May 22 18:43:19 <timeless_xchat> mikhas/thp
May 22 18:43:23 <timeless_xchat> ping
May 22 18:43:25 <ieatlint> lmgtfy.com needs to appear on the projector
May 22 18:43:51 <Jaffa> ieatlint: lol
May 22 18:44:19 <timsamoff> Or, he should name his app name: Stop asking dumb questions
May 22 18:44:20 <ShadowJK> this sounds like a blast
May 22 18:45:05 <Jaffa> :)
May 22 18:45:21 <Jaffa> Someone should've suggested the tooltip is "What is Steve's Org stand for?"
May 22 18:45:30 <mikhas> timeless_xchat, pong
May 22 18:45:36 <timsamoff> WISOSF?
May 22 18:46:42 <timeless_xchat> where are you? i'd like to maybe think about my bag
May 22 18:48:36 <mikhas> timeless_xchat, will pick you up in hackerspace
May 22 18:49:58 <ieatlint> think we'll get the "what's msi?" question?
May 22 18:52:54 <lcuk> Jaffa, there is a point in his observations though, it would be handy on first use of specific ones to actually preempt those sorts of questions
May 22 18:53:15 <lcuk> it was like the first meego-meetings TSG ones, where people just started without introducing themselves
May 22 18:53:30 <lcuk> (TSG == technical steering group) btw
May 22 18:53:38 <lcuk> (BTW == by the way) ;)
May 22 18:53:55 <Jaffa> lcuk: This is a developer talk on targetting your apps to AppUp. An assumption that you know what a PNG file is...
May 22 18:54:02 <Jaffa> lcuk: LCUK == ????!
May 22 18:54:14 <lcuk> Jaffa, no it isn't - appup targets more than meego
May 22 18:54:20 <lcuk> liquid coooled in the uk
May 22 18:54:30 <lcuk> united kingdom :P
May 22 18:54:35 <Jaffa> lcuk: And this is a talk about targetting MeeGo with AppUp :-p
May 22 18:54:38 <timsamoff> Hahahaha.
May 22 18:54:42 <ieatlint> oh, i just assumed it was some dyslexic spelling of luck
May 22 18:54:52 <wmarone_> ok, time to head into SF
May 22 18:55:00 <lcuk> ieatlint, no, longtime slashdot nickname is liquidcoooled :)
May 22 18:55:02 <ieatlint> someone ask quickly what "meego" stands for
May 22 18:55:04 <lcuk> and irc needs shorter
May 22 18:55:15 <tim___> hello
May 22 18:55:15 <lcuk> (internet relay chat)
May 22 18:55:24 <tim___> is the meego project dead?
May 22 18:55:30 <Stskeeps|holiday> tim___: no
May 22 18:55:40 <tim___> ive heard wrong then
May 22 18:56:09 <lcuk> tim___, where did you hear it?
May 22 18:56:14 <tim___> does meego work on system76 starling netbook?
May 22 18:56:23 <tim___> i heard it from the linux action show
May 22 18:56:23 <lcuk> from the 1000+ people at the meegoconf?
May 22 18:56:35 <lcuk> tim___, try
May 22 18:56:42 <lcuk> what platform is it
May 22 18:56:55 <tim___> x86
May 22 18:57:02 <tim___> i think
May 22 18:57:24 <lcuk> and graphics card?
May 22 18:57:34 <tim___> intergrated
May 22 18:57:39 <lcuk> and processor spec, and does it have a 3d accelerator
May 22 18:57:42 <lcuk> and stuff
May 22 18:58:01 <lcuk> http://wiki.meego.com/Devices
May 22 18:58:10 <lcuk> have a read there about different confirmed/not confirmed devices
May 22 18:58:15 <lcuk> and the kinds of issues
May 22 18:58:21 <tim___> 1.5 GHZ cpu im not sure if it has a 3d accelorator
May 22 18:58:27 * lcuk thinkgs we need a checklist for "will XYZ device work with meego"
May 22 18:58:37 * tim___ agreed
May 22 18:59:15 <lcuk> what the hell just happened in #meegoconf?
May 22 18:59:21 <tim___> at the moment ive got ubuntu 11.04 on the netbook
May 22 19:00:12 <lcuk> tim___, is it a touchscreen thingie?
May 22 19:00:23 <tim___> no
May 22 19:00:37 <lcuk> just get one of the usb images and see how well it boots
May 22 19:00:43 <lcuk> add to the devices page once confirmed
May 22 19:01:00 <tim___> if it works
May 22 19:01:50 <lcuk> even if not
May 22 19:02:03 <lcuk> that way, the next person with same device will know
May 22 19:02:09 <lcuk> and perhaps be able to solve it
May 22 19:02:12 <tim___> cool
May 22 19:02:23 <lcuk> negative confirmation is as useful in diagnosis as positive.
May 22 19:02:28 <tim___> this is what i love about open source :D
May 22 19:02:57 <newbie007> I'd like to see this OS on the nook color, seems pretty close
May 22 19:03:10 <lcuk> WOW #meegoconf channel is more popular than the ##sports channel which covers every major sporting event the world over!
May 22 19:04:37 <lcuk> newbie007, what is the nook color?
May 22 19:04:52 <tim___> just about to ask the same
May 22 19:04:57 <ieatlint> what does nook stand for?
May 22 19:05:08 <newbie007> it's a touch screen device, 7 in, ARM based, no keyboard. Comes with android
May 22 19:05:27 <Jaffa> Oh, he's going again.
May 22 19:05:28 <newbie007> you can boot off an SD card
May 22 19:05:29 <tim___> yeah that would be cool
May 22 19:05:42 <ieatlint> the "nook" is a e-reader device sold by barnes and noble (book store like like borders)
May 22 19:05:52 <ieatlint> the "nook color" is predictably the color version, which runs android
May 22 19:06:02 <newbie007> 800mhz on $150 at barnes and noble. or borders? --some book store
May 22 19:06:52 <Stskeeps|holiday> omap36xx
May 22 19:07:07 <ieatlint> barnes and noble, but sold by other stores (including amazon.com, haha)
May 22 19:07:42 <GAN900> Is there a conference map online somewhere?
May 22 19:08:01 <Stskeeps|holiday> GAN900: checkin bag will contain a nice one
May 22 19:08:15 <ieatlint> http://sanfranciscoregency.hyatt.com/hyatt/images/hotels/sfors/floorplan.pdf
May 22 19:08:34 <ieatlint> http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011#Hyatt_Space_details then tells you which rooms for stuffs
May 22 19:09:05 <thp> timeless_xchat: pong
May 22 19:09:42 <GAN900> Stskeeps|holiday, can I get one of those today?
May 22 19:10:16 <Jaffa> Can one check what one said one's size was for the registration? :)
May 22 19:10:17 <Stskeeps|holiday> GAN900: yes, pre registration
May 22 19:10:34 <ieatlint> registration seemingly opens at 2pm today
May 22 19:10:47 <Jaffa> Ah, medium.
May 22 19:11:34 <GAN900> Just about to hit BART, where's the hacker lounge in the hotel (are the signs apparent)?
May 22 19:11:47 <Stskeeps|holiday> GAN900: go downstairs and yes there are signs
May 22 19:11:48 <timsamoff> You'll find it.
May 22 19:11:56 <thp> GAN900: should be easy to find + there's a meego info desk
May 22 19:11:56 <timsamoff> If not, I know a guy who can ask for you.
May 22 19:12:04 <ieatlint> it's downstairs, one floor below street level
May 22 19:12:20 <ieatlint> the hacker lounge is underneath/behind the stairs that take you down
May 22 19:13:15 <ieatlint> try and find an old chinese guy who has some great questions, he's worth meeting
May 22 19:13:34 <krysc> oh yes he is
May 22 19:13:52 <tim___> great unetbootin has crashed :/
May 22 19:14:40 <kahless> where/how can i chat via irc on meego netbook edition? im connected on the server but cant find a way to join a channel :(
May 22 19:14:47 <Jaffa> GAN900: When you come in at street level, the main atrium of the hotel & check-in is two layers up. The hacker lounge is down a flight of stairs behind the escalators, and the Hacker Lounge is, as ieatlint says, under the stairs. But there's a desk
May 22 19:14:49 <RedType> \/
May 22 19:14:57 <tim___> i want to put meego on my n900 but i dont want the tariff to go up because im on contract
May 22 19:15:05 <timsamoff> kahless, you can do it via the terminal.
May 22 19:15:05 <RedType> kahless: probably /join #channel
May 22 19:15:06 <GAN900> Jaffa, where are we meeting?
May 22 19:15:28 <kahless> timsamoff: no "gui" for that?
May 22 19:15:52 <kahless> RedType: sure, but where? :)
May 22 19:15:54 <timsamoff> No. But, it's not too difficult.
May 22 19:15:55 <ieatlint> this presenter has figured out the game it seems :)
May 22 19:15:55 * zehjotkah thinks about joining #meegoconf instead of #meego
May 22 19:16:01 <RedType> just into the text field
May 22 19:16:05 <RedType> unless there isn't one in which case
May 22 19:16:11 <RedType> zehjotkah: then join it :p
May 22 19:16:25 <krysc> join both
May 22 19:16:26 * zehjotkah is just thinking about it
May 22 19:16:29 <timeless_xchat> thp: where are you?
May 22 19:16:30 <zehjotkah> :D
May 22 19:16:39 <kahless> RedType: have to test it out, thx :)
May 22 19:16:54 <zehjotkah> applause
May 22 19:17:15 <timsamoff> GAN900 in the Hacker Lounge after the session?
May 22 19:17:22 <krysc> laughter*
May 22 19:17:52 <ieatlint> here comes the intel hardware marketing :)
May 22 19:18:05 <RedType> i use a mac soooo
May 22 19:18:21 <RedType> not much of a choice... ALL HAIL GLORIOUS APPLE... ALL HAIL DEAR LEADER JOBS
May 22 19:18:24 <ieatlint> so you're already on intel, and hey thank you
May 22 19:18:33 <ieatlint> they
May 22 19:18:45 <Jaffa> GAN900: Let's say Hacker Lounge at 1300
May 22 19:18:52 <krysc> wait, he has a question!
May 22 19:19:09 <krysc> what is debugging? what is L.A.?
May 22 19:19:09 <Jaffa> alterego: timsamoff: ^^^
May 22 19:19:24 * timsamoff nods.
May 22 19:19:24 <ieatlint> i'm hoping for "what's c++?
May 22 19:19:39 <RedType> i fucking predicted "what's png"
May 22 19:19:45 <RedType> actually, my prediciton was "what's bmp"
May 22 19:19:45 <krysc> what is a window?
May 22 19:19:47 <timsamoff> I get the "C" part, but what are the two plusses for?
May 22 19:19:54 <Jaffa> "What does 'Atom' stand for?"
May 22 19:20:05 <zehjotkah> :D
May 22 19:20:06 <RedType> what's an intel
May 22 19:20:07 <RedType> OH
May 22 19:20:08 <RedType> GOD
May 22 19:20:09 <RedType> HE JUST DID IT
May 22 19:20:11 <RedType> OH GOD
May 22 19:20:12 <timsamoff> Oh, my...
May 22 19:20:15 <krysc> jaffa! you called it!
May 22 19:20:15 <RedType> WHAT THE FUCK JAFFA
May 22 19:20:16 <zehjotkah> really? I have to come over there..
May 22 19:20:18 <Jaffa> RedType: i did "what is PNG" here
May 22 19:20:31 <timsamoff> Jaffa visited the Psychic across the street this morning.
May 22 19:20:35 <Jaffa> I can emu;ate this guyin my head...
May 22 19:20:38 <krysc> clearly
May 22 19:20:59 <RedType> are you proud Jaffa
May 22 19:21:01 <RedType> :p
May 22 19:21:06 <Jaffa> Worrying, admittedlty.
May 22 19:21:11 <RedType> quick
May 22 19:21:16 <RedType> predict that you'll leave the room
May 22 19:21:18 <ieatlint> yeah, what's next?
May 22 19:21:20 * timsamoff is seriously about to guffaw out loud.
May 22 19:21:25 <Jaffa> RedType: :)
May 22 19:21:29 <krysc> jaffa: next prediction?
May 22 19:21:38 <Jaffa> "What is tuning?"
May 22 19:21:45 <RedType> jaffa may not be predicting, he may be instructing
May 22 19:21:47 <zehjotkah> waiting at the door for the next question...
May 22 19:21:47 <krysc> "why is it yellow?"
May 22 19:21:57 <RedType> PERFORMANCE
May 22 19:21:59 <RedType> WHAT IS THAT
May 22 19:22:04 <ieatlint> awww
May 22 19:22:06 <Jaffa> I WIN!!!!!
May 22 19:22:09 <timsamoff> I might have to close IRC.
May 22 19:22:09 <krysc> OMG!
May 22 19:22:12 <zehjotkah> performance of what??
May 22 19:22:21 <ieatlint> hehe, i think it counts
May 22 19:22:35 <ieatlint> he did ask why, just in a slightly different way
May 22 19:23:05 <RedType> oh good fucking lord why wasn't camping correct
May 22 19:23:28 <timsamoff> What does it mean by idle?
May 22 19:23:31 <zehjotkah> why decrease power consumption?
May 22 19:24:01 <krysc> :-D
May 22 19:24:01 <RedType> what is code
May 22 19:24:08 <RedType> what are cpu
May 22 19:24:09 <ieatlint> i'd guess SoC is his next question
May 22 19:24:10 <timsamoff> What kind of tools?
May 22 19:24:16 <krysc> "what is the future?"
May 22 19:24:28 <berndhs> can you explain what the difinition of "is" is ?
May 22 19:24:31 <timsamoff> Jaffa knows ^
May 22 19:24:37 <timsamoff> the future...
May 22 19:24:51 <ieatlint> the future will be better tomorrow
May 22 19:25:15 <zehjotkah> what is mp3?
May 22 19:25:17 <RedType> what is orange
May 22 19:25:21 <RedType> what is battery
May 22 19:25:32 <RedType> what is critical task
May 22 19:25:56 <RedType> how do you create power
May 22 19:26:00 <timsamoff> Oh, boy... Here we go.
May 22 19:26:01 <zehjotkah> c-state and p-state
May 22 19:26:09 <Jaffa> "What does C and P stand for?"
May 22 19:26:12 <zehjotkah> yay???
May 22 19:26:14 <RedType> JAFFA
May 22 19:26:15 <zehjotkah> :)
May 22 19:26:16 <RedType> JAFFA
May 22 19:26:17 <timsamoff> :D
May 22 19:26:19 <RedType> WHAT THE FUCK MAN
May 22 19:26:20 <RedType> WHAT
May 22 19:26:21 <RedType> THE
May 22 19:26:22 <RedType> FUUUUCK
May 22 19:26:24 <iekku> ooookooooo
May 22 19:26:27 <timsamoff> He stumped him!
May 22 19:26:28 <krysc> i need to meet you jaffa.
May 22 19:26:34 <RedType> jaffa are you here
May 22 19:26:35 <zehjotkah> :)
May 22 19:26:38 <krysc> this is incredible.
May 22 19:26:40 <Jaffa> I'm by the pluga
May 22 19:26:40 <timsamoff> Jaffa, what wil I be doing later?
May 22 19:26:43 <Jaffa> at the right
May 22 19:26:49 <RedType> macbook?
May 22 19:26:51 <Jaffa> black maemo.org t-shirt
May 22 19:27:08 <Jaffa> RedType: Was a Dell, now iPad :)
May 22 19:27:14 <RedType> lol
May 22 19:27:18 <RedType> it evolved
May 22 19:27:56 <RedType> what is manual opt?
May 22 19:27:56 <timsamoff> What libraries?
May 22 19:28:09 <Jaffa> I am actuallycuripusasto why it's 'C' and 'P', but I wouldn't ask in this session...
May 22 19:28:28 <krysc> how do i recompile? why?
May 22 19:28:33 <Jaffa> Bah, not good at typing at this full virtual keyboard
May 22 19:28:41 <timsamoff> http://origin-software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2008/03/12/c-states-and-p-states-are-very-different/
May 22 19:28:49 <Jaffa> "whatdoes XE stand for?"
May 22 19:28:56 <RedType> i think it stands for clock state
May 22 19:29:03 <RedType> or cpu state
May 22 19:29:24 <Jaffa> And P for power, peresumably.
May 22 19:29:28 <RedType> yeah
May 22 19:29:30 <kpuc> that's what i'd guess
May 22 19:30:56 <RST38h> P-states appear to relate to SpeedStep tech
May 22 19:31:13 <RST38h> C-states are standby of different depth
May 22 19:31:16 <kpuc> speed step is both clock and voltage regulation?
May 22 19:31:35 <RST38h> AFAIK yes althoug I have not visited the topic in a while
May 22 19:32:03 <timsamoff> Thank you.
May 22 19:32:08 <RedType> thanks
May 22 19:32:17 <RedType> any reasoning for the name
May 22 19:32:21 <lcuk> back in the day, I recall getting the celeron 300a to get a 50% overclock
May 22 19:32:42 <lcuk> I had not heard of such large scale OC until all the people saying they could run their n900 at 900mhz +
May 22 19:33:00 <lcuk> (speaking of speedstep etc)
May 22 19:33:41 <zehjotkah> anyone up for going out to eat later?
May 22 19:34:17 <RedType> anyone going to maker faire?
May 22 19:34:28 <ieatlint> there seems to be a plan to meet in the hacker lounge around 1pm and then figure it out from there
May 22 19:34:37 <zehjotkah> okay, I'll be there
May 22 19:34:43 <zehjotkah> taking Erik with me ;)
May 22 19:35:01 <timsamoff> This is going to be one of those fun/typical lunch outings where it takes three hours to find a place for 50 people to eat lunch together. ;)
May 22 19:35:27 <zehjotkah> :D
May 22 19:35:32 <ieatlint> haha, yeah
May 22 19:35:37 <lcuk> timsamoff, how about sending an advance party out first
May 22 19:35:50 <zehjotkah> or where dneary walks about an hour in front of us trying to find a place
May 22 19:36:07 <timsamoff> zehjotkah: Good idea.
May 22 19:36:22 <timsamoff> lcuk: No one will want to miss out on getting the ExoPC.
May 22 19:36:48 <ieatlint> we're probably just being trolled and there are no tablets
May 22 19:36:56 <zehjotkah> sadly we won't get the harmattan developer device this conference
May 22 19:37:03 <zehjotkah> from nokia :(
May 22 19:37:07 <lcuk> timsamoff, prefer the software than the hardware
May 22 19:37:14 <timsamoff> :)
May 22 19:37:50 <RST38h> So, this year's freebie is ExoPC?
May 22 19:38:01 <kpuc> i doubt it's in intel's interests to have 99 angry developers on their hands
May 22 19:38:02 <lcuk> timsamoff, I waited 2 years between seeing a test of something and actually having it on hardware ;)
May 22 19:38:02 <zehjotkah> no, the ExoPC is only for AppUp attendees
May 22 19:38:02 <Stskeeps|holiday> RST38h: appup always gives out exopc
May 22 19:38:18 <ieatlint> only 100 people per session for this too
May 22 19:38:22 <RST38h> Ah
May 22 19:38:31 <kpuc> 99 devs, one guy with no clue
May 22 19:38:34 <zehjotkah> :D
May 22 19:38:39 <RedType> 99 devs, one cup
May 22 19:38:41 <zehjotkah> png anyone?
May 22 19:38:43 <kpuc> hehehe
May 22 19:38:48 <kpuc> png or it didn't happen
May 22 19:38:58 <timsamoff> Pretty nifty graphics?
May 22 19:39:11 <ieatlint> that's going to be the quote of the conference… "MeeGo 2011: What <i>does</i> PNG stand for?"
May 22 19:39:20 <RedType> penises now graphical
May 22 19:39:27 * lcuk ponders what he would actually do with a budget like that and how a team could be organised
May 22 19:39:28 <timsamoff> ieatlint: We need to make t-shirts.
May 22 19:39:36 <RedType> i'd buy one for 10bux
May 22 19:40:13 <RST38h> lcuk: Give everyone an N900, make them all run Liquibase on it, then run that distributed bubble app over all 100 devices?
May 22 19:40:27 <lcuk> RST38h, :) yeah
May 22 19:40:35 <lcuk> but now liqbase is not constrained to one device
May 22 19:40:40 <ieatlint> i'm sure they won't be giving out the nokia meego phone, but i'm still hoping they announce it and give us the specs
May 22 19:40:51 <lcuk> it runs happily on everything I have tested it on
May 22 19:40:53 <MohammadAG> somehow I feel otherwise
May 22 19:41:15 <zehjotkah> they wanted to distibute it, but they don't have enough devices
May 22 19:41:23 <MohammadAG> but only because I'm not there, stuff like that usually happens :p
May 22 19:41:27 <lcuk> RST38h, the big ideapads actually make it feasible and confortable to have the big version
May 22 19:41:47 <lcuk> ie, the grafiti wall actually does hold all the sketches ever drawn on any of my devices
May 22 19:42:05 <zehjotkah> lcuk: why are you not here?
May 22 19:42:08 * lcuk kicks the damn networking stack for not supporting adhoc though
May 22 19:42:08 <ieatlint> zehjotkah: yeah, i'd heard they will not be making that many at all
May 22 19:42:12 <RedType> "Can I use Meego in place of Android"
May 22 19:42:16 <lcuk> zehjotkah, baby due and shouting
May 22 19:42:22 <zehjotkah> I see
May 22 19:42:40 <MohammadAG> lcuk, which one? Maemo's or MeeGo's?
May 22 19:42:54 <zehjotkah> ieatlint: there are more than enough devices, but not here at SF^^
May 22 19:42:54 <lcuk> MohammadAG, ?
May 22 19:43:06 <zehjotkah> or they're not willing to give out that much
May 22 19:43:08 <MohammadAG> lcuk, networking stack + adhoc
May 22 19:43:12 <zehjotkah> I'm really frustrated
May 22 19:43:18 <zehjotkah> had nose bleeding this morning^^
May 22 19:43:31 <ieatlint> zehjotkah: you're just making me bitter that i don't get one then
May 22 19:43:34 <lcuk> MohammadAG, N900 Maemo + ideapad/x200s/XYZ machine + ubuntu can add-hoc nicely
May 22 19:43:37 <lcuk> meego connman does not
May 22 19:43:44 <ieatlint> it's not even really the free part, but the instant gratification i WANT ONE NOW part
May 22 19:43:49 <lcuk> so MeeGo ideapad + meego n900 cannot talk on the bus
May 22 19:44:02 <lcuk> s/meego/MeeGo/
May 22 19:44:02 <infobot> lcuk meant: so MeeGo ideapad + MeeGo n900 cannot talk on the bus
May 22 19:44:20 <lcuk> bug 440
May 22 19:44:24 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440 enh, Low, ---, sameo, VERI WONTFIX, Unable to support ad-hoc mode for WiFi
May 22 19:45:43 <zehjotkah> everyone getting an ExoPC now
May 22 19:45:47 <zehjotkah> have fun with it.
May 22 19:45:47 <lcuk> MohammadAG, I heard from sameo that the tweak needed to connman would be almost trivial, but that he was not doing it
May 22 19:46:15 <tim___> is there an iso file for netbook meego
May 22 19:46:21 <ieatlint> ok, we're all off to stand in line for tablets
May 22 19:46:44 <lcuk> sounds like a pharmacy
May 22 19:47:08 <Jay_BEE> re
May 22 19:48:40 <tim___> lcuk: is there an iso for the netbook meego
May 22 19:49:23 <lcuk> tim___, of course there is!
May 22 19:49:24 <lcuk> https://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2011/meego-1.2-release
May 22 19:49:27 * GAN900 is about 10 minutes out.
May 22 19:49:36 <lcuk> see there for links to the various images and flavours
May 22 19:49:55 <tim___> thanks my netbootin doesnt want to work with floppy images today
May 22 19:50:44 <lcuk> tim___, are you using 3.5 or 5 1/4 inch disks?
May 22 19:51:29 <dm8tbr> 8!
May 22 19:52:03 <lcuk> dm8tbr, I find 8" drives less than optimal for travelling
May 22 19:52:16 <tim___> lcuk:  none i ment the .img file doesnt want to work i need an iso
May 22 19:52:23 <lcuk> tim___, oh
May 22 19:52:36 <lcuk> i just stick it on a usb and it works
May 22 19:52:39 <dm8tbr> lcuk: pish, just fold the disk, ... oh...
May 22 19:52:40 <lcuk> as does everyone else
May 22 19:52:47 <lcuk> dm8tbr, nifty idea
May 22 19:53:02 <lcuk> does that make them dual layer?
May 22 19:53:10 <dm8tbr> and double density!
May 22 19:53:29 <lcuk> half moon disks
May 22 19:53:49 <lcuk> I bet you could actually fit those in a manilla envelope!
May 22 20:11:47 <tim___> wooooop my meego on my system76 starling netbook has booted :D
May 22 20:12:08 <tim___> lcuk:  it worked :D
May 22 20:19:39 <sofar> ooo connman's ntp support now works in trunk
May 22 20:19:44 <sofar> w00t
May 22 20:20:54 <Jay_BEE> sweet
May 22 20:21:44 <tim___> meego on netbook is awesome
May 22 20:32:43 <lcuk> hmmm
May 22 20:33:03 <lcuk> 2 identical 4gb sandisk C2 cards
May 22 20:33:17 <lcuk> the first one I have been using has had write speeds of 750kB/s
May 22 20:33:34 <lcuk> the second one (identical markings) has write speed of 2.2MB/s
May 22 20:33:35 <lcuk> :D
May 22 20:35:38 <ShadowJK> same cid and stuff too?
May 22 20:35:50 <ShadowJK> same partition alignment? :)
May 22 20:36:48 <lcuk> ShadowJK, CID?
May 22 20:37:07 <lcuk> ShadowJK, IDK can only base it on what is in front of me
May 22 20:38:01 * lcuk not going to complain though :)
May 22 20:39:25 <ShadowJK> like the oemid, manufacturer and other data
May 22 20:39:34 <lcuk> ShadowJK, probably the faster one was one I dropped in cup of coffee some months ago
May 22 20:39:41 <lcuk> it is still buzzing
May 22 20:39:47 <ShadowJK> because there are lots of fake sandisks out there :P
May 22 20:40:10 <lcuk> i cannot take the back cover off device just yet whilst copy is in progress
May 22 20:40:17 <lcuk> but I will double check the markings
May 22 20:40:34 <ShadowJK> it's not written on the card
May 22 20:41:21 <ShadowJK> it's in /sys/block/mmcblk?/device/
May 22 20:41:51 <lcuk> ShadowJK, it was merely a cursory glance and "i wonder" which made me switch them out
May 22 20:41:57 <lcuk> writing to /dev/sdc atm
May 22 20:42:28 * lcuk even had a quick heart flutter at the wrong device entirely
May 22 20:44:01 <tim___> luck on live does the wifi have trouble?
May 22 20:44:24 <lcuk> tmi___ not normally for me
May 22 20:44:35 <lcuk> but on the tablet image I could not enter the parameters needed for my home wifi
May 22 20:44:49 <lcuk> the netbook ux is easy to enter details into though
May 22 20:47:31 <tim___> how do i do that?
May 22 20:48:02 <tim___> but i dont think its picking up my wifi card
May 22 20:50:40 <MarcA-N> someone advise me on how to add to add openoffice to my 'applications' on my MeeGo netbook?
May 22 20:50:49 <MarcA-N> wiped to 1.2, reinstalled openoffice, and it doesn't show up in icons
May 22 20:54:31 <lcuk> w00t_, why do you think I try to have everything I want/need to not rely upon internet
May 22 20:54:38 <lcuk> and why do you think ad-hoc is so important! :P
May 22 20:56:14 <lcuk> downside to faster usb transfer - IO lag on the laptop and jumping audio o_O
May 22 20:59:03 <tim___> my meego isnt picking up my wifi
May 22 20:59:27 <tim___> is there a bash command to find out if it sees my wifi card
May 22 20:59:36 <lcuk> tim___, some of the devices in the meego devices wiki page say that the wifi card itself is not detected
May 22 21:00:13 <tim___> lcuk:  so its only detectable when installed?
May 22 21:00:40 <lcuk> tim___, IDK
May 22 21:00:53 <lcuk> everything I have run it on properly has detected it normally
May 22 21:01:01 <lcuk> I don't think it is a matter of installed or not
May 22 21:01:27 <tim___> meego is pointless for me without the wifi
May 22 21:01:48 * thiago needs wifi on everything
May 22 21:01:54 <thiago> or bluetooth
May 22 21:02:15 * lcuk really really wants adhoc to work
May 22 21:08:30 * Sage_ is attending to the intel appup.
May 22 21:11:46 <lcuk> ended up 2.5x faster than before: 3816816641 bytes (3.8 GB) copied, 2382.24 s, 1.6 MB/s
May 22 21:11:53 <tim___> meego needs more support for the wifi cards
May 22 21:13:07 <lcuk> tim___, *linux* needs more support for open source wifi card drivers.
May 22 21:13:15 <lcuk> (at least that is my understanding of this issue)
May 22 21:13:40 <lcuk> ie, this is not a meego problem but meego by default does not ship closed drivers
May 22 21:13:48 <lcuk> (please someone correct me if I am wrong about this)
May 22 21:23:47 * timeless_xchat is in a workshop for intel app up or something 
May 22 21:23:53 * Jay_BEE raises his hand in the Intel session to ask "what is RPM?"
May 22 21:24:01 <TSCHAKeee> rofl
May 22 21:24:30 <timeless_xchat> i can show this
May 22 21:24:33 <timeless_xchat> let me try this
May 22 21:24:36 <timeless_xchat> (error)
May 22 21:24:42 <timeless_xchat> oh, no, i can't
May 22 21:24:43 <Jay_BEE> heh.
May 22 21:25:28 <tim___> i deffinately wont be using meego is doesnt wont to connect to the internet even with ethernet
May 22 21:25:49 <dsample> Hi.  I've just installed an Ubuntu VM so I could install the MeeGo 1.2 SDK, but I'm getting loads of errors within the installer about processes crashing... anybody able to troubleshoot?
May 22 21:26:06 <timeless_xchat> jay_bee: now's your chance to ask about rpm :)
May 22 21:26:42 <Jay_BEE> lol...I doubt I will need to ask such inane questions
May 22 21:27:00 <Jay_BEE> they may already be incoming from others present...
May 22 21:31:51 <smoku> oh. how sweet.   btrfs on my rootfs just fallen apart.  kernel panics on trying to mount it
May 22 21:36:29 <sofar> smoku: version? able to capture the screen?
May 22 21:38:46 <ieatlint> well, i'm not as impressed with the meego 1.2 tablet release as i'd like … QAudioInput: "Unable to create a connection to the pulseaudio context" followed by a hung application
May 22 21:39:30 <ieatlint> unless there's a permission system i'm missing about meego
May 22 21:40:44 <smoku> sofar, 1.2 with 2.6.39 kernel.
May 22 21:40:54 <smoku> funny - booting 2.6.37.2 fixed it
May 22 21:42:15 <sofar> whut? 1.2 with 2.6.39?
May 22 21:42:19 <sofar> that does not compute :)
May 22 21:42:42 <ieatlint> those getting tablets from intel, note that they are provided with meego 1.1.90 (aka "1.2 pre-alpha"), and NOT the current 1.2 tablet developer preview as released may 17 here https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-tablet-developer-preview
May 22 21:43:11 <sofar> I didn't know there was nother giveaway
May 22 21:43:20 <sofar> luckily, I won't get one probably again :)
May 22 21:43:28 <ieatlint> which comes for me as "Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.38.2-8.12-adaptation-pinetrail #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon May 16 19:10:07 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux"
May 22 21:43:56 <ieatlint> you either need to have one in hand now, or be watching an intel guy talk about the appup store to get one
May 22 21:44:11 <ieatlint> if you're not in the talk right now, you're SOL
May 22 21:44:26 <ieatlint> it's a decent talk otherwise :)
May 22 21:45:40 <Jay_BEE> agreed.... good questions this time around
May 22 21:45:53 <ieatlint> the presenters know what they're talking about too
May 22 21:46:05 <Jay_BEE> but still itchin to ask "what does SDK stand for?"
May 22 21:46:10 <sofar> I work for intel... so
May 22 21:46:11 <ieatlint> ask about PNG
May 22 21:46:14 <sofar> no freebies lol
May 22 21:47:14 <sofar> ah well, I'll be around on the conference tomorrow
May 22 21:47:32 <smoku> sofar, you install 1.2 and then compile 2.6.39 on your own.   is that something unbelievable?
May 22 21:47:47 <sofar> smoku: you didn't mention that.
May 22 21:48:01 <sofar> if you want a newer kernel, why not get the one from trunk? it's at 39rc6
May 22 21:48:53 <smoku> sofar, because I'm testing a freezing wfi driver, and trunk does not contain my custom changes? :)
May 22 21:49:18 <sofar> which driver?
May 22 21:49:36 <smoku> libertas_sdio
May 22 21:49:53 <sofar> ahhh the good old libertas
May 22 21:50:00 <sofar> sucks that it hangs
May 22 21:50:24 <smoku> it freezes my machine completely on loading the firmware :/
May 22 21:55:31 <ieatlint> yeah, sadly the ability to connect to qtmultimediakit on the tablet 1.2 image is not present
May 22 21:55:37 <ieatlint> instead it just hangs the app :(
May 22 22:07:49 * zehjotkah is sitting in the hacker lounge and is bored
May 22 22:08:36 * zehjotkah doesn't have a harmattan device to play with with him.... :(
May 22 22:09:02 <MohammadAG> who does? :P
May 22 22:09:20 <zehjotkah> many
May 22 22:09:27 <zehjotkah> yeah, already a lot
May 22 22:09:37 <zehjotkah> are you here Mohammad?
May 22 22:09:43 <zehjotkah> anywhere in SF
May 22 22:10:10 <MohammadAG> sadly, nope :/
May 22 22:10:19 <zehjotkah> :(
May 22 22:10:33 <zehjotkah> haven't you got sponsoring or haven't you asked?
May 22 22:10:51 <MohammadAG> I didn't ask, I have an exam on the 25th
May 22 22:10:57 <zehjotkah> understnad
May 22 22:10:57 <tim___> meego sdk is erroring
May 22 22:11:04 <zehjotkah> good luck with your exam
May 22 22:11:13 <MohammadAG> thanks :)
May 22 22:11:27 <zehjotkah> :)
May 22 22:12:39 <MohammadAG> zehjotkah, what harmattan devices btw? :P
May 22 22:12:50 <MohammadAG> only device I heard of today was the ExoPC
May 22 22:13:56 <zehjotkah> originally it was planned that nokias harmattan dev device would be distributed at the conference
May 22 22:14:02 <zehjotkah> on monday or so
May 22 22:14:21 <zehjotkah> now they told me that they don't have enough devices
May 22 22:14:25 <zehjotkah> which is ridiculous
May 22 22:18:37 <ShadowJK> if they want to get rid of them they could have a lottery
May 22 22:18:41 <ShadowJK> or bingo
May 22 22:21:55 <timeless_xchat> sivang: what's that url i need?
May 22 22:24:59 <lcuk_> so I am using meego netbookk as a netbookk
May 22 22:25:35 <lcuk_> and zones is pretty crap - with only 5 apps open, I can see so little of the titlebar that it is random which I am selecting
May 22 22:27:03 * ShadowJK counts open apps on his n900: 10
May 22 22:27:15 <ShadowJK> my n900 > your netbook :D
May 22 22:28:20 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
May 22 22:38:57 <lcuk_> ShadowJK: my old n810, 2 years ago, 54: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090710_002210.lib.holymoly.png
May 22 22:40:08 <ShadowJK> dude my N900 froze trying to open that image
May 22 22:40:54 <lcuk_> ShadowJK: yeah, I exported that differently to on screen
May 22 22:41:23 <lcuk_> but apps worded fine just tiny thumbnails and some lag when zooming but otherwise fine
May 22 23:00:00 <blauzahl> hey, is this the official meego conference channel? or is there another?
May 22 23:00:20 <lcuk> #meegoconf
May 22 23:00:21 <boss> lcuk: Error: "meegoconf" is not a valid command.
May 22 23:35:04 <mikhas> kuzak, ping
May 22 23:38:03 <blauzahl> thanks lcuk!
May 23 00:38:42 <lbt900> \join #meegoconf
May 23 00:39:46 <mikeleib> lbt900: click your heals together three times and say "there's no place like #meegoconf"
May 23 00:46:32 <b-man`> /join #meegoconf
May 23 00:46:34 <b-man`> err
May 23 00:46:49 <b-man`> fss damn client :P
May 23 00:47:29 <iekku> :D
May 23 00:47:45 * mikeleib makes another wizard of ozz joke for b-man` too
May 23 00:47:51 <b-man`> lol
May 23 00:50:14 <lbt900> nice to have company
May 23 01:16:26 <TSCHAKeee> http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/228083_10150178407707115_716957114_7057091_7453341_n.jpg :D
May 23 01:27:04 <sivang> hey all, I'm looking for the URL to where to submit another session, can anybody please paste it?
May 23 01:27:16 <sivang> google fails finding it, an sf2011.meego.com fails showing it to me :)
May 23 02:05:49 <iekku> hmmm, silent channel
May 23 02:06:02 <akk> everybody's partying in SF, probably
May 23 02:06:15 <iekku> so am i :D
May 23 02:08:19 <Myrtti> I'm just at the hotel room enjoying the evening sun and playing with my slides and LaTeX
May 23 02:09:20 <iekku> i'm laying at the bed, trying not to fall a sleep
May 23 02:50:45 <sivang> re
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