**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 25 02:59:57 2011
May 25 03:57:56 <twoboxen> anyone from meego conference here
May 25 04:01:18 <akk> Have you tried #meegoconf ? (mentioned in the topic, dunno if it's been active)
May 25 04:11:48 <twoboxen> i'll try it.  thanks!
May 25 04:32:34 * Jay_BEE waves hi
May 25 04:33:02 <Jay_BEE> wish I could still be at the conference :(
May 25 05:01:24 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: damn nice
May 25 05:01:33 <DocScrutinizer> even 4 row
May 25 06:54:15 <tar-gz> Hi!
May 25 06:54:32 <tar-gz> How i can install meego in my netbook when i have live-usb?
May 25 06:57:57 <eg81> tar-gz: https://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook
May 25 06:59:35 <tar-gz> eg81: But i have now live-usb with mee-go but i don't know how i can install yhis
May 25 06:59:39 <tar-gz> this*
May 25 07:02:50 <eg81> there is an install option during meego boot
May 25 07:03:37 <tar-gz> meego is based on fedora?
May 25 07:43:53 <PeYKaR> I want to switch from maemo to meego on my n900 box. is meego stable enough?
May 25 07:45:39 <teve> it's stable for application development but not suitable as a primary OS for cellphone yet.
May 25 08:51:22 <Jay_BEE> gn
May 25 10:36:07 <slaine> tar-gz: you figure it out yet ?
May 25 10:37:31 <slaine> If you want to do it from the live environment on the key, rather than reboot and run it, then Got to the Applications\System and open the Terminal. log in as root (su -) and then run liveinst
May 25 10:37:55 <lolcat> Can I install aptitude on Meego?
May 25 10:37:56 <CosmoHill> iirc init 4 is the installer
May 25 10:38:23 <CosmoHill> lolcat: and  do what with it? the debain / ubuntu packages probably won't work properly
May 25 10:38:54 <lolcat> apt-get stuff
May 25 10:39:31 <CosmoHill> you could compile and install apt-get if you wanted
May 25 10:40:42 <lolcat> Can't I use the package manager in Meego to install it?
May 25 10:41:08 <CosmoHill> no, meego doesn't use apt
May 25 10:41:28 <CosmoHill> you can use the GUI package manager of the command line zypper program
May 25 10:51:13 <lolcat> That sounds not so good
May 25 10:51:30 <lolcat> Why cant someone just dO: Debian -> phone apps -> simple gui
May 25 10:51:47 <CosmoHill> MeeGo isn't based on Debian
May 25 10:52:15 <dm8tbr> that might depend on the device and manufacturer *snerk*
May 25 10:54:37 <lolcat> dm8tbr: hehe, you are refering to Nokia and N9?
May 25 10:55:10 <dm8tbr> lolcat: there is no nokia product by that name. :)
May 25 10:55:18 <lolcat> I am so annoyed, I want meego with maemo gui, not maemo with meego gui
May 25 10:55:27 <lolcat> dm8tbr: Cite: Gsmarena
May 25 10:55:56 <dm8tbr> lolcat: 'no officially anounced product' - there is plenty of rumor ofc.
May 25 10:56:17 <CosmoHill> lolcat: you can have meego with meego
May 25 10:56:29 <CosmoHill> afaik there is no maemo with the meego gui
May 25 10:56:30 <lolcat> CosmoHill: Maemo UI is superior
May 25 10:56:33 <dm8tbr> I think he meant Cordia :)
May 25 10:56:43 <lolcat> CosmoHill: maemo 6? Meego/Harmattan
May 25 11:06:34 <slaine> Which GUI though
May 25 11:07:00 <slaine> MeeGo isn't a GUI, it's just a confusing brand/gui/os mashup ;)
May 25 11:08:27 <lolcat> slaine: The gui in Meego for N900
May 25 11:09:49 <slaine> So you want the MeeGo Handset UX on maemo 5 ?
May 25 11:10:08 <CosmoHill> I think he wants an updated maemo 5
May 25 11:10:22 <dm8tbr> isn't that cordia?
May 25 11:10:39 <CosmoHill> I have no idea
May 25 11:12:20 <dm8tbr> https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Asmoku%3Acordia - "Cordia is a project to bring Maemo 5's UI (Hildon Desktop and related components) to the MeeGo distribution.
May 25 11:12:24 <dm8tbr> http://codex.xiaoka.com/wiki/cordia:start
May 25 11:14:00 <slaine> dm8tbr: I think he was asking about the opposite of that, taking the MeeGo handset UX and running it on Maemo
May 25 11:14:07 <slaine> I'm not sure though
May 25 11:35:31 <dm8tbr> slaine: 10:55:10< lolcat> I am so annoyed, I want meego with maemo gui, not maemo with meego gui
May 25 11:35:45 <slaine> ah
May 25 11:39:20 <ver> hehe
May 25 11:40:56 <ver> i haven't actually tried GTK+ for mobile jibberjabber yet, but i gotta say qtq is pretty wicked.
May 25 11:46:47 <amumu> is there an easy way to mount a single partition from a whole harddisk backup?
May 25 11:47:09 <ver> a disk image?
May 25 11:47:21 <ver> on linux?
May 25 11:47:24 <amumu> yes
May 25 11:47:48 <amumu> the backup includes the partition table
May 25 11:48:06 <ver> sure, which partition?  the first?
May 25 11:48:26 <amumu> yes and if possible the second too
May 25 11:49:03 <ver> http://www.omninerd.com/articles/Installing_GRUB_on_a_Hard_Disk_Image_File <- this explains it
May 25 11:49:09 <ver> but don't do anything with mkfs :)
May 25 11:49:27 <ver> just sort out the geometry and block size.
May 25 11:50:22 <ver> losetup -o <offset to partition> and --sizelimit <size of the partition in bytes> and your loop devices
May 25 11:50:31 <ver> then you can use the loop device as though it were a partition.
May 25 11:51:36 <ver> suuuupereeeeasy
May 25 12:05:14 <amumu> ver: thanks :)
May 25 13:02:54 <lcuk> o_O n900-de in tablet mode happily still got battery after a night unplugged
May 25 13:12:36 <lcuk> hmm bug 14340 still not cured (was marked dupe of bug 12492)
May 25 13:12:39 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14340 nor, Undecided, ---, fboudra, RESO DUPLICATE, [N900] Cannot install git
May 25 13:12:41 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12492 nor, Undecided, ---, anas.nashif, NEW, armv7l zypper repos not showing noarch packages
May 25 13:51:56 <Myrtti> I see the backlog is full of lulz
May 25 13:52:26 <lcuk> Myrtti, we want the futurelog to contain many smiles
May 25 13:52:59 <lcuk> a question about meego - in Windows, I have a Startup folder, which will run each app with a shortcut in there
May 25 13:53:13 <lcuk> is similar available on meego without needing a phd in console?
May 25 13:55:51 <rm_work> ono i missed the lulzy backlog! T_T
May 25 13:56:23 <rm_work> lcuk: it's called xinit usually
May 25 13:56:50 <rm_work> err
May 25 13:56:52 <ar> lcuk: phd is not needed. a simple one-week course will do
May 25 13:56:58 <rm_work> xinitrc
May 25 13:57:18 <rm_work> http://wiki.debian.org/xinitrc
May 25 13:58:03 <lcuk> ar, where are these courses being held?
May 25 13:58:27 <lcuk> rm_work, it is always lulzy when you are gone
May 25 13:58:56 <rm_work> T_T
May 25 13:59:04 <rm_work> i thought it was always lulzy when I was HERE :P
May 25 13:59:08 <rm_work> i must be doing it wrong
May 25 13:59:12 <lcuk> thanks for the xinitrc hint though, will have a look
May 25 13:59:20 <lcuk> rm_work, perhaps :P
May 25 14:01:22 <rm_work> lcuk: yeah np. I assume meego X11 is standard enough to read from ~/.xinitrc
May 25 14:01:31 <rm_work> can always try and see
May 25 14:01:41 <tomeu> lcuk: I think something closer would be the .desktop files
May 25 14:01:56 <ar> .desktop files?
May 25 14:02:01 <rm_work> so, completely non-standard :P
May 25 14:02:18 <rm_work> yeah, .desktop files are the maemo/meego shortcut files
May 25 14:02:24 <lcuk> well I want an app I have installed to run when the desktop comes up
May 25 14:02:27 <rm_work> or, "app definitions"
May 25 14:02:31 <lcuk> I know there are fields in the .desktop files
May 25 14:02:44 <rm_work> but getting them to start on system boot, dunno
May 25 14:02:50 <lcuk> but if we want this usable by end users it should be easy
May 25 14:03:05 <rm_work> plugins do, but i dunno how it decides to autoload those
May 25 14:03:07 <lcuk> ie person1 wants browser
May 25 14:03:08 <tomeu> well, .desktop files may not be "standard", but aren't anything specific to maemo or meego
May 25 14:03:10 <rm_work> i think they're different
May 25 14:03:20 <tomeu> they are specified by freedesktop.org and used by several desktops
May 25 14:03:37 <rm_work> ah yeah, i guess gnome uses them too doesn't it <_<
May 25 14:03:42 <lcuk> gabrbed wants mixxx loading on bootup etc
May 25 14:03:44 <rm_work> for it's "start menu"
May 25 14:03:49 <rm_work> lol mixxx
May 25 14:04:07 <lcuk> rm_work, gabrbedd is closest I have seen with public meego hardware
May 25 14:04:21 <lcuk> he has a market, history of selling hardware with specific custom set of software etc
May 25 14:04:42 <rm_work> hrmrm
May 25 14:04:47 <lcuk> I really like his effort
May 25 14:04:55 <rm_work> don't know him
May 25 14:05:13 <rm_work> his market is... portable DJs? :P
May 25 14:05:35 <lcuk> http://indamixx.com/indamixx2-tablet.html
May 25 14:05:46 <berndhs> his effort has a touch of reality, something lacking from some other companies
May 25 14:05:49 <rm_work> i mean, a multitouch tablet would work GREAT for a DJ station, admittedly
May 25 14:05:59 <lcuk> berndhs, and individuals
May 25 14:06:49 <tomeu> lcuk: meego should be following http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html
May 25 14:07:31 <rm_work> yeah, that is easier and safer for apps to set up on install
May 25 14:07:47 <rm_work> i thought you just wanted to do your own thing
May 25 14:07:57 <lcuk> tomeu, thanks!
May 25 14:08:19 <lcuk> I am guessing though that would need an app itself creating to manage those and select which to autostart
May 25 14:08:20 <lcuk> hmm
May 25 14:08:31 <rm_work> possibly
May 25 14:08:41 <rm_work> though still safer than editing an rc file
May 25 14:08:52 <rm_work> it's literally just a directory listing
May 25 14:09:01 <rm_work> so an app would be fairly easy
May 25 14:09:14 <rm_work> especially since it even provides the icon file in the .desktop file
May 25 14:09:14 <lcuk> think further
May 25 14:09:18 <lcuk> it would have to be root
May 25 14:09:25 <lcuk> or the writeback portion would be
May 25 14:09:26 <rm_work> hrm
May 25 14:09:30 <rm_work> MAYBE?
May 25 14:09:40 <rm_work> depending on where they put the autostar dir
May 25 14:09:45 <lcuk> it would have to handle the dupes and subfolders as per the spec
May 25 14:09:57 <tomeu> why root? $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS can be in $HOME
May 25 14:10:02 <rm_work> it still shouldn't be too hard
May 25 14:10:04 <rm_work> ^^^ that
May 25 14:10:06 <lcuk> that is the thing, this takes stuff from modified desktop stuff?
May 25 14:10:09 <tomeu> $HOME/.local/etc, I think
May 25 14:10:25 <rm_work> i don't have meego handy so i can't check
May 25 14:10:27 <lcuk> the .desktop files are normally currently in /usr
May 25 14:10:36 <rm_work> lcuk: for the system menu, yes
May 25 14:11:04 <rm_work> but it just looks wherever that variable is defined to tell it to look
May 25 14:11:35 <tomeu> http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-March/482038.html
May 25 14:11:58 <tomeu> lcuk: read the XDG specs (they are shortish), there should be auto-merging of directories
May 25 14:12:18 <lcuk> thanks tomeu
May 25 14:12:34 <tomeu> as in, root installs some in /usr, but each user can add its own in ~/.local
May 25 14:12:37 <lcuk> auke_, ping when you get back \o
May 25 14:13:03 <lcuk> so tomeu, perhaps have the autostaart reading everything from /usr to display and prompt user for those to autostart
May 25 14:13:22 <lcuk> clear out the ~ folder, copy the selections over, add the autostart flag to each whilst copying
May 25 14:13:25 <lcuk> and cross fingers.
May 25 14:13:50 <tomeu> not sure, auke_ could certainly know better :)
May 25 14:14:00 <lcuk> yeah, hence the ping ;)
May 25 14:17:39 * lcuk twiddles thumbs waiting for g++ to compile stuff on n900-de
May 25 14:18:00 * CosmoHill gives lcuk a cup of tea and an ice bun
May 25 14:19:02 <lcuk> oooh
May 25 14:19:07 <lcuk> can you make that a coffee please
May 25 14:19:53 * CosmoHill waves his wand and turns it into coffee
May 25 14:20:27 <rm_work> lol, what's wrong with you, lcuk? isn't liking coffee over tea some kind of treason?
May 25 14:20:47 <rm_work> I'm apparently a queen's man to the core
May 25 14:20:54 * rm_work drinks tea only
May 25 14:21:00 <CosmoHill> me too
May 25 14:23:32 <lcuk> rm_work, I will drink tea when there is no coffee
May 25 14:24:13 * lcuk looks sideways at gcc
May 25 14:24:58 * CosmoHill is slightly annoyed that windows restore doesn't put his desktop wallpaper and other settings back
May 25 14:32:04 * ar is slightly annoyed that on windows it's not obvious how to put their equivalent of /home on a separate partition
May 25 14:33:34 <lcuk> ar, technically windows has had roaming profiles and similar technology since NT days
May 25 14:33:47 <lcuk> sure it is not trivial, but same is for linux
May 25 14:34:18 <ar> no, on linux it's just "oh let's create /home on a separate partition" and it Just Works(tm)
May 25 14:34:34 <lcuk> Windows biggest issue is apps not using the user profile itself rather than fact the profile can be moved
May 25 14:34:56 <CosmoHill> you mean like the ovi suite
May 25 14:35:04 <ar> on windows you can't create a C:/Users or whatever during installation
May 25 14:38:23 <lcuk> ar, Right click "My Computer" goto advanced tab, click settings on the User Profiles list
May 25 14:39:00 <CosmoHill> are you guys about to tell me something that would have been really useful for before I installed windows on my desktop?
May 25 14:40:09 <lcuk> CosmoHill, windows thing I used to always do was create a user (fred normally) during installation
May 25 14:40:18 <lcuk> then do all the updates and faff required
May 25 14:40:27 <lcuk> then last thing create clean user accounts in the right places
May 25 14:40:48 * lcuk has setup many freds
May 25 14:41:12 <TSCHAKeee> careful, said freds may revolt for being used. :P
May 25 14:41:24 <lcuk> that is good
May 25 14:42:56 <lcuk> TSCHAKeee, how is your orbitor coming on?
May 25 14:42:59 <lcuk> orbiter
May 25 14:43:03 <lcuk> spinny thing
May 25 14:43:21 * CosmoHill read that as orbliterator :/
May 25 14:43:40 <TSCHAKeee> lcuk: i'm teaching a developer to help me along the way, we're doing well.
May 25 14:43:59 <TSCHAKeee> meanwhile i am working on the game part of LinuxMCE
May 25 14:43:59 <lcuk> good stuff
May 25 14:44:38 * lcuk last had a student during GSoC we went over many aspects and both ended up learning things 
May 25 14:44:47 <lcuk> linuxmce has games?
May 25 14:45:03 * lcuk wrote differentgame a few weeks ago
May 25 14:45:04 <TSCHAKeee> lcuk: http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/228083_10150178407707115_716957114_7057091_7453341_n.jpg
May 25 14:45:28 <TSCHAKeee> lcuk: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=7070624&id=716957114
May 25 14:45:36 <lcuk> linuxmce supports Atari 2600?
May 25 14:45:55 <lcuk> that says I must log into facebook
May 25 14:46:01 <TSCHAKeee> lcuk: yes it does.
May 25 14:46:07 * lcuk ponders clicking signup instead
May 25 14:46:08 <TSCHAKeee> whoops did i
May 25 14:46:23 <TSCHAKeee> http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/230938_10150177943522115_716957114_7052025_5376427_n.jpg
May 25 14:46:33 <TSCHAKeee> http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/249866_10150178300377115_716957114_7055148_809338_n.jpg
May 25 14:46:55 <lcuk> oh so you are including hardware dongle for that software?
May 25 14:47:29 <TSCHAKeee> it's an emulation wrapper
May 25 14:47:53 * TSCHAKeee points out again, I am not SELLING LinuxMCE, nor do I intend to.
May 25 14:47:53 <lcuk> aww there was me thinking you were writing actual games
May 25 14:48:11 <lcuk> what does selling have to do with anything?
May 25 14:48:19 <TSCHAKeee> but it is synchronized to the architecture
May 25 14:48:22 <TSCHAKeee> for example
May 25 14:48:33 <TSCHAKeee> you can have one player on one TV
May 25 14:48:36 <TSCHAKeee> and another player on another TV
May 25 14:48:48 <TSCHAKeee> (either in house, or another house), and the system will set up network play
May 25 14:49:23 <lcuk> that sounds more like the (legit) effort of the IVI system where different displays are in different parts of the car
May 25 14:49:39 <lcuk> TSCHAKeee, I still wonder why you emphasised you were not selling it
May 25 14:49:43 <TSCHAKeee> terminal mode
May 25 14:49:49 * TSCHAKeee is aware of it and has the code here
May 25 14:50:07 <TSCHAKeee> lcuk: because I am not selling it.. so grey areas like emulation do not concern me.
May 25 14:50:43 <lcuk> I wasn't thinking terminal mode, I was thinking kids with one machine each in the back, and coupled network system to do full realtime interaction
May 25 14:51:02 <TSCHAKeee> *nod*
May 25 14:51:13 <lcuk> TSCHAKee does the act of sale effect copyright violation?
May 25 14:51:32 <TSCHAKeee> no, copyright violation relates to the ROMs
May 25 14:51:38 <TSCHAKeee> but they tend to pay attention
May 25 14:51:47 <TSCHAKeee> if you're selling a system with an emulator.
May 25 14:52:02 <lcuk> they?
May 25 14:52:14 <TSCHAKeee> sigh
May 25 14:52:18 <TSCHAKeee> are you always such a pedantic bastard?
May 25 14:52:25 <lcuk> yes
May 25 14:52:35 * TSCHAKeee hates people like that.
May 25 14:52:42 <lcuk> I feel strongly about copyright because it is one of the things Open Source is based upon
May 25 14:52:48 <TSCHAKeee> lcuk: "they" being copyright holders for games.
May 25 14:52:56 <TSCHAKeee> I do too.
May 25 15:05:26 * javispedro saw a linkie to a meegon avatar generator, but can't find it any longer
May 25 15:05:29 <javispedro> either way, it was cool.
May 25 15:06:17 <Myrtti> http://appupavatar.com/
May 25 15:06:31 <javispedro> ty Myrtti
May 25 15:06:46 <CosmoHill> ooo
May 25 15:07:26 <javispedro> I do not think this is the one Texrat & co were working on though, seems like another "surprise" :P
May 25 15:08:18 <Myrtti> np
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May 25 15:10:58 <TSCHAKeee> yeaugh
May 25 15:11:03 * TSCHAKeee is being attacked by base64
May 25 15:11:05 <CosmoHill> I'm sorry
May 25 15:11:16 <TSCHAKeee> hahahahaha
May 25 15:11:28 <TSCHAKeee> we've all done it
May 25 15:11:50 <CosmoHill> I thought it was a URL I was pasting to my avatar
May 25 15:11:58 <Stskeeps> bad CosmoHill
May 25 15:12:39 <lcuk> ooooh Myrtti
May 25 15:12:43 * lcuk made an avatar
May 25 15:13:30 <CosmoHill> this is what I wanted to link to: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/cosmo_meego_avatar.png
May 25 15:13:56 <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/appupavatar.com_lcuk.meego.avatar.png
May 25 15:13:57 <lcuk> lol CosmoHill
May 25 15:14:09 <CosmoHill> ha!
May 25 15:15:08 <javispedro> http://depot.javispedro.com/meegon.png
May 25 15:15:17 <javispedro> as boring as myself! adorable!
May 25 15:15:51 <lcuk> javispedro, the screen needs some content!
May 25 15:16:12 <javispedro> good point!
May 25 15:16:41 <CosmoHill> you know I sent 5 lines of that base64 stuff, well there's a lot more of it
May 25 15:17:02 <javispedro> CosmoHill: I bet. The geek in me tried to reconstruct the image from them.
May 25 15:17:06 <lcuk> don't paste the rest, it woke Stskeeps up ;)
May 25 15:17:27 <CosmoHill> it's filled up my screen of it
May 25 15:17:27 <lcuk> surprised it didn't also wake dawnfoster up too
May 25 15:17:38 <javispedro> lcuk: you did now =)
May 25 15:17:47 <javispedro> ah, shes not here.
May 25 15:18:16 <lcuk> javispedro, yeah
May 25 15:19:04 <CosmoHill> shell join any second and will be like "rawrr awrrr rawr"
May 25 15:20:53 <TSCHAKeee> where are those meegon avatars coming from?
May 25 15:21:09 <tim____> whats the meego ui called
May 25 15:21:23 <lcuk> fred.
May 25 15:21:30 <javispedro> thread.
May 25 15:21:38 <CosmoHill> tim____: MeeGo UX, MeeGo Table UX and MeeGo Handset UX...I think
May 25 15:21:50 <lcuk> but as a serious question, it depends on which build, netbook UX, handset UX, tablet UX etc
May 25 15:22:03 * javispedro has plenty of fred vs thread jokes as the average spanish english speaker pronnounces them the save
May 25 15:22:05 <lcuk> and to add more spice
May 25 15:22:08 <lcuk> MeeGo UX
May 25 15:22:16 <tim____> can i get it on the synaptic package manager
May 25 15:22:47 <lcuk> tim____, well if you are running a meego system you would have it already?
May 25 15:23:00 <lcuk> if you are asking about on a different OS, go into the channels for that OS and ask
May 25 15:23:14 <tim____> well the wifi doesnt work on my netbook so would i put it on debian?
May 25 15:23:57 <lcuk> javispedro, ask the debian folks then
May 25 15:24:05 <ph0b028> in fedora 14 meego netbook ux is available from official repos
May 25 15:24:12 * lcuk thinks there is a meego on debian effort, but do not know the progress
May 25 15:24:42 <tim____> will the next release have better wifi support
May 25 15:26:41 <ph0b028> yes, but when.. I don't know ;)
May 25 15:27:24 <reed> TSCHAKeee, http://appupavatar.com/
May 25 15:28:02 <reed> tablet edition 1.2 has become more usable... at least i can type short email now
May 25 15:28:21 <reed> flash player is very very slow: any way to speed it up? (on ExoPC)
May 25 15:29:26 <twoboxen> @reed... that's scary.  I'm only starting to look into meego and reminds me of some of my maemo5 headaches
May 25 15:30:08 <reed> twoboxen, let me put it this way: it's not ready for prime time :( If you want to hack on it, it's fun
May 25 15:30:31 <twoboxen> i do like to hack on things... but basic functionality was my biggest n900 headache
May 25 15:30:55 <reed> in other words, don't spend money on it, have Intel send you the hardware for free
May 25 15:30:56 <tim____> meego is brilliant just wish i could get the wifi working
May 25 15:31:20 <reed> BTW, I'm talking of the tablet edition, not netbook nor phone
May 25 15:31:51 <reed> tim____, does wifi work on other linux distro?
May 25 15:32:01 <tim____> yes
May 25 15:32:12 <tim____> currently running ubuntu on it
May 25 15:32:15 <reed> what chipset/driver?
May 25 15:32:29 <tim____> i dont know
May 25 15:32:51 <reed> well, find out ... it's the crucial step :)
May 25 15:33:00 <reed> lspci will give you a hint
May 25 15:35:09 <tim____> realtek semiconductor RTL8191sevb
May 25 15:36:26 <tim____> reed:  realtek semiconductor RTL8191sevb
May 25 15:37:25 <javispedro> hmmm??
May 25 15:37:35 <javispedro> isn't that an ethernet chipset?
May 25 15:37:51 <reed> tim____, paste the full line of lspci
May 25 15:37:57 <tim____> its says its the ethernet wireless
May 25 15:38:09 <javispedro> oh yes, it is wireless
May 25 15:38:18 <javispedro> pardon me.
May 25 15:38:20 <reed> lspci | grep Network
May 25 15:39:14 <tim___> tim@tim-Starling-Netbook:~$ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation N10 Family DMI Bridge (rev 02) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporatio
May 25 15:40:13 <reed> tim___, NOT the whole lspci, only the relevant line (use lspci | grep Network)
May 25 15:40:35 <tim___> Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family SMBus Controller (rev 02) 13:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10)
May 25 15:42:56 <reed> perfect, now use google to find out why  RTL8191SEvB and Linux don't go together
May 25 15:43:22 <reed> my wild guess is that meego is not including some obscure firmware blob needed for that chipset or something similar
May 25 15:43:41 <tim___> its a meego problem
May 25 15:43:51 <tim___> the ubuntu on wifi is fine
May 25 15:44:23 <reed> tim___, it's a Linux, the kernel, problem
May 25 15:44:52 <reed> most likely ubuntu does more magic than meego at figuring out what hardware you have
May 25 15:44:57 <tim___> then why does ubuntu work fine with this wifi then
May 25 15:45:15 <tim___> answered before i said :D
May 25 15:46:16 <reed> I should also have asked the output of iwconfig though
May 25 15:46:39 <reed> I'm assuming that by 'wifi not working' you mean that the interface is not showing up
May 25 15:47:07 <reed> tim___, is this the case? what's the exact symptom?
May 25 15:47:08 <teve> most likely you'll need to dl some firmware blob, see e.g. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=934999
May 25 15:47:08 <tim___> well nothing comes up
May 25 15:47:39 <reed> tim___, ok then, it means that the kernel is not loading the driver
May 25 15:48:35 <reed> read dmesg output to see if there is something evident
May 25 15:49:53 <tim___> theres alot of stuff
May 25 15:51:54 <reed> tim___, yep :) you can use grep -i to filter
May 25 15:52:09 <reed> tim___, I'd start with dmesg | grep -i firmware
May 25 15:53:05 <tim___> pci 0000:00:1f.0: [Firmware Bug]: TigerPoint LPC.BM_STS cleared
May 25 15:53:07 <tim___> ??
May 25 15:54:04 <reed> doesn't sound the right one ...
May 25 15:54:31 <tim___> i typed it in correct
May 25 15:54:48 <reed> http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=pci+0000%3A00%3A1f.0%3A+[Firmware+Bug]%3A+TigerPoint+LPC.BM_STS+cleared&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
May 25 15:57:00 <reed> tim___, look at this one here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1689148&page=3
May 25 15:58:20 <tim___> i think i found a script to fix it
May 25 15:58:28 <tim___> brb
May 25 16:03:56 <joker_> Will the Official release be faster than the dev ed?
May 25 16:04:12 <Stskeeps> no, DE is more optimized
May 25 16:05:46 <tim___> the script didnt work
May 25 16:37:11 * CosmoHill blinks when he realises the modern hard drives have the same speed RAM as his old desktop
May 25 16:37:20 <CosmoHill> (DDR400)
May 25 16:48:30 <niala1> hi
May 25 16:49:04 <lcuk> hi niala1
May 25 16:49:05 * slonopotamus has ssd with terrifying 450MBps read speed
May 25 16:49:07 <lcuk> CosmoHill, lol
May 25 16:49:56 <gabor> hi
May 25 16:50:11 <gabor> do u know if i can try out meego by using a bootable pendrive?
May 25 16:50:22 <gabor> on my laptop
May 25 16:50:24 <akk> gabor: Yes, that works.
May 25 16:50:28 <slonopotamus> you can try definitely
May 25 16:50:34 <gabor> and i can do it via unetbootin?
May 25 16:50:53 <akk> The meego images can just be dd'ed -- you don't need unetbootin.
May 25 16:51:07 <akk> much easier than ubuntu images
May 25 16:51:09 <gabor> but if i dd the iso
May 25 16:51:17 <akk> that's the iso
May 25 16:51:18 <gabor> i only have to copy the content?
May 25 16:51:31 <gabor> to the pendrive
May 25 16:52:14 <akk> right. There's a page somewhere, but I'm having trouble finding it.
May 25 16:52:33 <gabor> i googled before coming here but didnt find anything
May 25 16:52:42 <gabor> except for unetbootin
May 25 16:53:07 <akk> https://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook
May 25 16:54:28 <gabor> omg thank u
May 25 16:54:36 <gabor> i thought i've read all that page
May 25 16:56:54 <BluesLee> who is talking there, sf meego meeting?
May 25 16:57:37 <lcuk> http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/meego-12-developer-edition-nokia-n900
May 25 16:57:56 <lcuk> http://sf2011.meego.com/program/live-streaming
May 25 16:57:58 <iekku> jukka eklund, i think
May 25 16:58:19 <BluesLee> the name is not mentioned
May 25 16:58:20 <iekku> i don't see the stream or speach
May 25 16:59:04 <BluesLee> in the pdf there are 5 names, okay the first one is jukka
May 25 16:59:11 <dm8tbr> yeah, that's jukka on stage
May 25 17:00:07 <BluesLee> hehe, its says "about the presenter" but no name, also on the program there is only the title of the talk
May 25 17:00:50 <Stskeeps> #meegoconf
May 25 17:00:51 <boss`> Stskeeps: Error: "meegoconf" is not a valid command.
May 25 17:01:02 <BluesLee> now i only have to understand his english:-)
May 25 17:01:50 <BluesLee> just a joke, my english is worse
May 25 17:13:11 <zehjotkah> is stskeeps online even if he is on the stage?
May 25 17:13:22 <Stskeeps> indeed
May 25 17:13:25 <zehjotkah> :D
May 25 17:13:25 <Stskeeps> taking questions
May 25 17:14:02 <BluesLee> Stskeeps: the guy on the right side with ethe netbook?
May 25 17:14:17 <zehjotkah> yes
May 25 17:14:21 <Stskeeps> BluesLee: yes
May 25 17:14:24 <timsamoff> The netbook is for porn. Stskeeps has an IRC chip embedded in his head.
May 25 17:14:27 <thiago> Stskeeps: wave :)
May 25 17:14:33 <zehjotkah> xD
May 25 17:14:40 <Stskeeps> people pointed me out, good enough
May 25 17:14:41 <Stskeeps> :P
May 25 17:14:52 <zehjotkah> don't made him laugh, don't make him laugh!
May 25 17:17:17 <BluesLee> Stskeeps: is there a real chance that the maemo community will switch to meego on a daily basis? do you or some other guys on the stage use meego on the n900 on adaily basis?
May 25 17:17:44 <Stskeeps> BluesLee: #meegoconf please
May 25 17:21:06 <Ronksu> hmm, there's a wlan called "free viruses" @ meegoconf ballroom A :)
May 25 17:21:35 <CosmoHill> that should be "viri"
May 25 17:22:07 <thiago> not really
May 25 17:22:16 <thiago> "viri" is the plural of the masculine noun "vir"
May 25 17:22:29 <thiago> it means "men" (plural of man)
May 25 17:22:54 <thiago> "virus" is not a 2nd-declension word, it's a neuter word ending in -us with no attested plural in Latin
May 25 17:24:36 * CosmoHill shakes fist at wikipedia
May 25 17:24:52 <thiago> actually, it is 2nd-declension: http://www.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wordz.pl?keyword=virus
May 25 17:25:17 <thiago> http://www.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wordz.pl?keyword=viri
May 25 17:26:49 <thiago> note how the latter doesn't list as "NOM P" (nominative plural)
May 25 17:35:21 <jykae> yeah, n900 DE rocks in san francisco \o/
May 25 17:35:52 <iekku> \o/
May 25 18:35:13 <lcuk> how would bug 13084 be solved
May 25 18:35:17 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, carsten, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink
May 25 18:36:38 <lcuk> to even attempt to do it will require obs hmm
May 25 18:37:05 <ar> what was "obs"?
May 25 18:38:03 <lcuk> it is like png but with different letters
May 25 18:38:13 <lcuk> OpenSuse Build Service
May 25 18:40:00 <X-Fade> lol :)
May 25 18:42:08 <lcuk> X-Fade, \o
May 25 18:42:59 <Myrtti> png guy strikes IRC?
May 25 18:44:53 <X-Fade> Lots of familiar faces at the QtQuick 2.0 talk..
May 25 18:44:57 <berndhs> the png guy is useful if you don't have enough content for your talk
May 25 18:45:07 <RST38h> Are there slides?
May 25 18:45:26 <X-Fade> It is presented as a qml app :)
May 25 18:45:35 <RST38h> omg
May 25 18:47:38 <lardman> hey X-Fade and we all thought you were MIA ;)
May 25 18:48:07 <X-Fade> lardman: nah, just busy at work.
May 25 18:48:20 <X-Fade> And some sight seeing in SF of course.
May 25 18:49:02 <lardman> X-Fade: I know that feeling, hope you're enjoying it
May 25 18:49:41 <X-Fade> Oh, no problem on the enjoyment part :)
May 25 18:50:11 <lardman> cool, well I hope to catch up for some beers in the Autumn, assuming something happens then
May 25 18:50:27 <lardman> I WILL make room in my diary! :)
May 25 18:53:24 <X-Fade> Cool :)
May 25 18:54:05 <lcuk> X-Fade, I expect by autumn to have meego beer delivery via autonomous helicopter!
May 25 18:55:06 <lardman> ah, so we're going for aircraft control systems not just marine now ;)
May 25 18:55:23 <RST38h> meegocopter, piloted by live meegons
May 25 18:56:52 <X-Fade> I'm pretty sure there will be beer. But I don't intend to chop of heads there :)
May 25 18:59:06 <lardman> good, I won't have to pack my suit of armour, will save on baggage costs
May 25 19:01:18 <SpeedEvil> I have a design for a hoverboard, which could run meego. It's a little silly - 30Kg of lithium-ion cells, and a hundred kilowatts of motors. :)
May 25 19:01:46 <RST38h> Speed: all steaming with liquid helium I guess?
May 25 19:01:52 <SpeedEvil> Naah.
May 25 19:54:55 <merlin1991> X-Fade: still here? :D
May 25 21:05:10 <pleytos> Hello, anyone here?
May 25 21:05:33 <CosmoHill> no
May 25 21:05:48 <berndhs> and the rest are leaving soon too
May 25 21:06:07 <pleytos> great, has anyone heard what happend to the LG Meego presentation?
May 25 21:06:16 <pleytos> on the meego conference
May 25 21:07:47 <pleytos> why is everbody leaving, is the meeting over ?
May 25 21:08:35 <Stskeeps> pleytos: people have fligts
May 25 21:08:38 <Stskeeps> flights
May 25 21:08:47 * alterego yawns
May 25 21:08:54 <alterego> Where the balls is Julian
May 25 21:09:21 <pleytos> flights to catch, to go home?
May 25 21:09:48 <alterego> Yes
May 25 21:11:59 <pleytos> so is ther any news on an new meego phone other than the Nokia N9
May 25 21:14:47 <pleytos> not much talking going on here
May 25 21:14:57 <pleytos> what is the ussual subject?
May 25 21:15:23 <jykae> pleytos: meego :)
May 25 21:15:59 <costello> he is lying, actually it is titties and beer.
May 25 21:16:27 <costello> some gathering going on at sf so it may be quiet in here.
May 25 21:16:30 <pleytos> all 3 subjects are fine if you ask me
May 25 21:17:16 <costello> night-time -> zZzzZ.
May 25 21:17:31 <pleytos> yes, I hoped to get some news on lg smartphone plans, but i'll have to wait i gues
May 25 21:18:27 <pleytos> jykae: in what part of meego are you interested?
May 25 21:18:54 <Stskeeps> pleytos: what they wanted to show was meego on existing devices, ie already launched stuff, not new products.. media misunderstood toally and thought it was final products
May 25 21:19:31 <Stskeeps> pleytos: so having two engineers standing on stage getting attacked by the gadget press would probably be a marketing nightmare
May 25 21:19:41 <pleytos> Ok, didn't know that
May 25 21:20:16 <phdeswer> Stskeeps, sounds like lots of fun though :D
May 25 21:21:03 <pleytos> stskeeps: do you know anything about future presentations/products of LG
May 25 21:21:26 <jykae> pleytos: development, development and development to mention some of my interests..
May 25 21:21:43 <jykae> especially application development
May 25 21:23:02 <pleytos> great, always wanted to learn to develop, never got around to it
May 25 21:23:24 <pleytos> so the basic meego functions or the apps?
May 25 21:23:37 <pleytos> ow wait you already said that
May 25 21:24:49 <pleytos> any particular application? (do you use QT I guess?)
May 25 21:26:02 <lcuk> question: is it possible to put apps into the app stores if they are not qt but only depend upon the same subset of components as qt
May 25 21:27:21 * Jay_BEE waves hi
May 25 21:27:37 <alterego> Can some one tell me if they spot Julian from Rovio please.
May 25 21:27:51 <special> alterego: he was in the hacker lounge just recently
May 25 21:28:20 <alterego> Ah, great, thanks.
May 25 21:28:21 <Jay_BEE> alterego: i ended up installing ubuntu 32-bit to get the sdk working... too many issues in 64-bit
May 25 21:29:54 <Stskeeps> pleytos: have no idea, ask LG :)
May 25 21:30:16 <pleytos> Ok thanks
May 25 21:31:04 <jykae> Stskeeps: nice n900 DE presentation btw :)
May 25 21:31:29 <Stskeeps> jykae: ta
May 25 21:32:59 <jykae> waiting eagerly to hear more from jukka when you get back finland
May 25 21:34:09 <jykae> that local device program sounds also promising for meego-fi
May 25 21:41:48 <pleytos> good night/day!
May 25 21:43:37 <lcuk> i have cheese installed on my ideapad meego, but it only seems to do screenshots at a slow rate and has motion blur
May 25 21:43:54 <lcuk> screenshots like this: http://liqbase.net/2011-05-24-231851.jpg
May 25 21:44:21 <lcuk> when I use my n900 to do recording it is crisp and smooth, but using the webcam seems to be totally different
May 25 21:46:32 <jykae> lcuk: drivers..
May 25 21:48:15 <Jay_BEE> for those using meego on hybrid netbook/tablets like the ideapad s10-3t, was it ever made possible to switch between the tablet and netbook ux?
May 25 21:54:24 * Jay_BEE hears crickets chirping...
May 25 21:54:54 <lcuk> Jay_BEE, http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops#UXSelect_Switcher_Tool_.28alpha.29
May 25 21:54:57 <lcuk> :P
May 25 21:54:59 <lcuk> no crickets
May 25 21:55:03 <lcuk> was advanced
May 25 21:55:21 * Jay_BEE clicks upon the URL
May 25 21:58:54 <Jay_BEE> thanks lcuk, I recall there was some talk around it, but never found out the outcome
May 25 22:11:21 <Jay_BEE> someone please remind me tonight to install the latest meego 1.2 pinetrail image to the tabby
May 25 22:14:38 <CosmoHill> night night
May 25 23:53:26 <Jay_BEE> bbl
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