**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 27 02:59:58 2011 May 27 03:22:15 hi May 27 03:24:56 hi May 27 04:17:56 is there any known work around so that i can install MeeGo1.2 on Ubuntu11.04 May 27 04:20:10 bkalinga: uh, what? do you mean the UX May 27 04:27:36 bkalinga: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17194 May 27 04:27:39 Bug 17194 cri, High, ---, zhang.z.chen, NEW, [FEA][Installer] SDK installer should support other installer path than the default one May 27 04:28:16 bkalinga: also this --> http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-sdk/2011-May/001314.html May 27 04:28:34 ok thanks Jay_BEE: May 27 04:29:14 c May 27 04:29:16 now if I could only get the sdk working under ubuntu 10.10 May 27 04:30:44 Jay_BEE: So the problem is related to the default path May 27 04:30:48 ?? May 27 04:31:20 i am trying to install it in my /home and have enough space May 27 04:32:06 I have the SDK working under 11.04. I did have to do some guessing about where it put things. May 27 04:32:07 bkalinga: i have not tried installing to a different location, I am unsuccessful in trying default location May 27 04:32:22 I used the apt repository May 27 04:32:55 akk: Could please let us know how did u achieved that May 27 04:33:04 did u use the graphical installer May 27 04:33:18 ah, ok, SDK May 27 04:33:35 I started with http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#Installing_the_MeeGo_SDK (I don't think there was a 1.2 page, this was about a month ago) May 27 04:33:57 added deb http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.10/ / to sources.list May 27 04:34:53 and they don't tell you where it installs things -- I had to search for it then add opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/bin to my path May 27 04:35:06 and setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH /opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt/lib:/opt/meego/meego-sdk-qt-creator/lib/qtcreator/plugins/Nokia May 27 04:35:26 (I wrote up a blog post with notes, but haven't had time yet to polish it and post it) May 27 04:35:53 akk: then you will have the 1.1 May 27 04:35:58 not the 1.2 May 27 04:36:11 okay, that was all I found at the time May 27 04:36:22 maybe I'll try installing 1.2 over the weekend May 27 04:36:52 akk, But you said : I have the SDK working under 11.04. I did have to do some guessing about where it put things. May 27 04:36:55 I'd be surprised if it was that different, but hey, I've been surprised by things before :) May 27 04:37:34 akk, now there is a graphical installer available May 27 04:37:39 try that on 11.04 May 27 04:38:05 in release notes it is clearly mention that 11.04 is not supported yet May 27 04:38:12 akk: i've located a similar blog which describes the steps you mentioned --> http://www.msinternet.co.uk/blog/2010/11/how-to-properly-install-the-meego-sdk-and-emulator-in-ubuntu-and-debian-linux/ May 27 04:38:24 It wasn't supported for 1.1 either, but it wasn't hard to get it working. May 27 04:39:07 madness May 27 04:39:52 is it not possible to manually install (i am not to use that graphical installer) on 11.04 from the repo May 27 04:40:02 can someone give a thought to it May 27 04:40:46 This "meego-sdk-installer-online-20110519" thing is some binary I'm supposed to chmod and run locally? May 27 04:40:51 They should make that a lot clearer. May 27 04:40:56 akk: yes May 27 04:41:33 akk: try installing that in 11.04 May 27 04:41:34 and yes, they should provide some way other than a binary that you're supposed to run May 27 04:41:49 that's not an opensource-friendly way to install an SDK May 27 04:42:11 rightly said ..there must an alternative May 27 04:42:21 like we had a page for 1.1 May 27 04:42:33 akk: it seems the graphical installer actually uses apt behind the scenes to install the SDK... i'm now looking at the package manager and see the meego sdk stuff listed as installed May 27 04:42:50 that describes all the step we need to do to install 1.1 May 27 04:42:51 that sounds like the intel 'meego-sdk-bete' - or is that some public version by now? May 27 04:42:57 That's even less friendly, since it won't work on non-apt distros May 27 04:43:03 (not that the apt repository would have either) May 27 04:43:33 akk: do u have 11.04 now May 27 04:43:40 can u try installing?? May 27 04:43:52 i really do not want to have to resort to using this under windows May 27 04:47:38 I'm trying but I think I'm going to have to give up and try again tomorrow. It's taking forever downloading ... something May 27 04:49:31 And I have to go, so maybe tomorrow. May 27 07:24:53 anywhere i can find upgrade details from 1.1 to 1.2? May 27 07:26:13 espen77: are you asking about meego (e.g. netbook) system update or about sdk ? May 27 07:29:35 netbook system May 27 07:35:43 would have imagine "sudo zypper dup" would do it, but it dont. May 27 07:36:34 Were there any interesting products announced at the Meego Conference in Frisco? May 27 08:18:18 morning \o May 27 08:54:43 Were there any interesting products announced at the Meego Conference in Frisco? May 27 10:10:35 I guess this is good news for everyone who is porting MeeGo to HTC devices: http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084 May 27 10:11:26 Venemo, Yup, a rare bit of good news there. May 27 10:11:57 that ads up to sony-ericsson and motorola, ain't it? May 27 10:14:10 Venemo: good news indeed, but we still need some more support with drivers from the OEMs, bug 17570 May 27 10:14:13 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17570 nor, Undecided, ---, ibrahim, NEW, Lack of hardfp compiled graphics drivers from TI, Qualcomm, nVidia, etc May 27 10:16:26 vgrade_, "Currently the only device with support is the obsolete N900" -> the word "obsolete" is a bit unnice of you :P May 27 10:17:31 it is far from obsolete , imho May 27 10:17:54 Venemo: and also incorrect as other similar TI based devices may work with the N900 driver, beagle, pandora etc May 27 10:18:07 phaeron: can you buy them still? May 27 10:19:00 vgrade_, AFAIK there are a lot of other devices based on OMAP3, so those should work with hardfp. as for the rest, they will simply work without hardfp for the time being May 27 10:19:21 that is called "unavailable" or "discontinued" , again imho May 27 10:40:19 phaeron: ok, bad choice of word, now how do you edit a bug May 27 11:52:03 slaine: I've followed you tutorial to make my wifi work, but now it seems that kernel-netbook-devel is obslete. I can't find to install thus I can't complete the wifi configuration May 27 11:52:07 slaine: http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.2_Wifi.html May 27 11:52:16 what can I do? May 27 11:54:47 len, you clearly haven't followed the guide May 27 11:55:02 as I renamed all the groups and packages accordingly May 27 11:55:19 kernel-devel instead of kernel-netbook-devel May 27 11:56:14 Off to get some lunch, back in a whilke May 27 11:56:16 but when I use rpm build, it asks for kernel-netbook-dev May 27 11:56:28 i'll start all over again May 27 11:58:18 I m running mic on openssue 11.2 , it gives error while creating image /bin/cp: cannot create directory `/var/cache/meego-bootstrap/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages': No such file or directory , I m using the ks file available at meego repo May 27 12:10:04 slaine: just for the record, the package requires kernel-netbook-devel. You can check the .spec, I did all over again, from begining May 27 12:15:10 len, back now May 27 12:15:17 really, wonder why I didn't get errors May 27 12:16:08 Ah May 27 12:16:22 The url displayed on the page is correct May 27 12:16:39 but the href for that display is wrong, it's pointing to the older 1.1 src rpm May 27 12:17:00 if you cut and paste the code, it'll pull down the updated src rpm for 1.2 May 27 12:17:05 I'll fix the href now May 27 12:17:16 slaine: true, nice catch there May 27 12:17:28 hey sl May 27 12:17:31 hey slaine May 27 12:17:35 i tried everything yesterday May 27 12:17:47 even open rpm remove dep and compile again May 27 12:17:53 but didnt succeed May 27 12:18:39 len, yeah, there's other changes required May 27 12:18:44 try reloading the page nopw May 27 12:18:48 CosmoHill: hey May 27 12:19:03 len sorry about the inconvenience, cut'n'paste errors May 27 12:19:39 no problem, I learned a lot of new things May 27 12:19:51 that's what problems are for :P May 27 12:20:02 indeed May 27 12:21:14 anyway, if you reload the page and follow the steps again, it should work now May 27 12:21:27 (you might want to nuke your ~/rpmbuild dir) May 27 12:21:57 I use rpmbuild --cleandir when making stuff normally May 27 12:22:11 it removes the build directory after creating the package May 27 12:22:18 nod May 27 12:22:24 but not the old spec/source May 27 12:22:39 Ok, doing that. Btw rpmbuild should have sudo before, right? May 27 12:22:49 nooo May 27 12:24:36 hell no May 27 12:24:54 len, the instructions on the page should be exact May 27 12:25:04 cut and paste from the page to the terminal May 27 12:27:28 I get an error. I'll translate, since it's portuguese to me. Output status of /var/tmp/rpm-rmp.xpto is invalid (%prep) May 27 12:27:34 using sudo I dont get this error May 27 12:27:47 on meego 1.2 netbook i am not able to see VKB when clicked on any text entry May 27 12:27:55 should I create a user slaine? May 27 12:28:14 it says User slaine doesnt exists using root May 27 12:28:27 no, that's just a red herring warning/error May 27 12:29:18 I saw now. It's wget unable to solve host with my user. May 27 12:29:35 time out May 27 12:30:05 if you install the src.rpm May 27 12:30:16 you can edit the spec file and increase the wget timeout May 27 12:31:17 If you already ran the rpmbuild command with a sudo infront, then you could be running trouble May 27 12:31:21 you'd have to cd ~ May 27 12:31:26 sudo rm -rf ~/rpmbuild May 27 12:31:29 and start again May 27 12:32:06 did that before rpmbuild, but trying again May 27 12:32:44 is there any text editor in Meego1.2 May 27 12:32:54 can some one name its binary name May 27 12:32:59 thx, that did the trick. May 27 12:33:33 bkalinga: which version of meego, handset, netbook ? May 27 12:33:49 1.2 netbook May 27 12:33:59 gedit should be there May 27 12:34:13 * slaine uses vim though May 27 12:34:29 slaine: it went smooth now. Thank you for your help May 27 12:34:45 your welcome, thanks for letting me know about the issue with the url May 27 12:34:46 how do i get the VKB May 27 12:34:52 its not launching May 27 12:35:07 there's info on the wiki for enabling the vkb im May 27 12:35:26 Probably look under the Lenovo Ideapad stuff May 27 12:35:59 can u please point me there May 27 12:36:31 google search, that's what I'd have to do May 27 12:43:21 How can I configure 3g usb modem? May 27 12:44:13 If it's not just detected by the network manager, then I wouldn't know May 27 12:44:25 3g modems are a very small set of supported devices to my knowledge May 27 12:45:11 hm, so probably it wont work, it's a brazilian device May 27 12:45:30 That doesn't mean it won't work May 27 12:45:39 len: try loading usb_uart module providing your usb device id May 27 12:46:43 len: ie.: modprobe usbserial vendor=0xf3d product=0x0112 May 27 12:47:05 if you get /dev/ttyUSB0 then, you're good to go May 27 12:47:25 http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=Maliit/Installing&oldid=36775 May 27 12:48:48 says change Modify /etc/xdg/autostart/meego-im-uiserver.desktop to look like this: but /usr/bin/meego-im-uiserver is not there May 27 12:49:12 smoku: how do I get the vendor and product? I used lsusb May 27 12:49:32 len: right. lsusb May 27 12:49:34 ID:19d2:2000 should I use these values? May 27 12:49:55 yes. it's vendor:product May 27 12:50:05 hm good to know May 27 12:52:18 modprobe didnt output anything, May 27 12:54:15 len: good. so it didn't fail :) May 27 12:54:19 see 'dmesg' output May 27 12:57:39 but how do i get it working May 27 12:57:43 how do i connect? May 27 13:01:13 len, I'm guessing that if the module loaded (look at the last few lines of output from dmesg) then the network manager should now have it available May 27 13:06:17 * CosmoHill offers slaine tea and chocolate spread on toast May 27 13:08:20 didn't show anything. I think it's recoginizing as generic device May 27 13:09:48 CosmoHill: Thanks, I'll take a coffee though and some strawberries if you have them May 27 13:10:03 * CosmoHill turns the tea into coffee May 27 13:10:11 tadaaa May 27 13:10:13 sorry, my wand only works on fluids May 27 13:10:25 well, in that case, make it some wine May 27 13:10:40 or is it a one shot deal ? May 27 13:11:16 * CosmoHill waves his wand again May 27 13:11:36 I once turned the fluids inside someone's brain to ethanol May 27 13:11:52 hmm, I can see how that could be useful May 27 13:30:16 what's the latest and stable release? 1.2.0.90 or 1.2.0? May 27 13:33:53 doesn't matter since you can only download 1.2 May 27 13:34:12 1.2.0.90 sounds like a pre-release May 27 13:34:41 is there a comparison chart for Qt SDK and Meego SDK? May 27 13:35:29 CosmoHill, then what's 1.2.0.80? May 27 13:36:01 forget that, found already May 27 13:40:55 can anyone tell if Qt SDK has something that is not in Meego SDK? May 27 13:41:49 delac, 1.2.0.80 is a earlier devel build to 1.2.0.90 May 27 13:41:58 err.. naquad I mean May 27 13:43:49 hello May 27 13:45:51 vvaltone, thanks May 27 13:46:16 hello May 27 13:56:46 * gabrbedd stumbles in and plops in a chair May 27 13:56:50 good morning! May 27 14:01:33 does Meego SDK 1.2 work with Qt Simulator 1.1? It is in the repos, but wiki page lists only Qt Simulator 1.0. May 27 14:08:38 well i gotta go May 27 14:08:42 thx for help guys May 27 14:12:38 * CosmoHill dances cos he got an A in database May 27 14:21:39 UPDATE grades SET grade = 'A' WHERE student = 'CosmoHill'; May 27 14:24:20 :3 May 27 14:25:30 if I wanted to be pedantic I'd point out that you'd have first name and surname to be atomically correct >.> May 27 14:27:48 I'm hoping / assuming that the exam isn't partially hard since it's only an hour long May 27 14:30:28 SELECT count(*) WHERE student = 'CosmoHill'; May 27 14:30:30 >>> 1 May 27 14:30:47 * gabrbedd set 'student' as PK :-) May 27 14:31:09 oh oh, some dude on my course set "name" as the PK May 27 14:31:24 for a regional system May 27 14:32:00 Yeah, that's bad. :-) May 27 14:33:12 Reminds me of this... http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/ May 27 14:35:44 that's quiet a list he has there May 27 14:37:37 I always think of that whenever someone says "Yeah, I'm trying to sync my contacts between my iphone and itunes and outlook and gmail.... but it doesn't seem to be working right. Why is this so hard for people to get right? What's the big deal?" May 27 14:38:19 * CosmoHill is thrown a little by point 12 and 13 May 27 14:40:25 I think it depends on the locale. May 27 14:41:21 37 I see a lot at uni, all our logins are based on your initials but a lot of my friends don't have their middle name initial in their login May 27 14:41:48 In English, we would say that 'mary' and 'Mary' and 'maRy' are the same... but in some languages it may not be the same. May 27 14:42:17 mcnick and McNick etc May 27 14:43:07 Also 37 covers misspellings, to (I think) May 27 14:43:11 MacNick May 27 14:43:27 moin May 27 14:43:27 (I meant too, not to.) May 27 14:43:42 pebcak: howdy May 27 14:43:54 my name is constantly being misspelt even though it's part of the email address :/ May 27 14:44:50 I have a weird pronunciation of it just to get people to spell it correctly which may lead to a hyphen appearing in it May 27 14:46:06 CosmoHill: What is your name? May 27 14:46:07 anyone using tablet ux and has problems with the graphics after the latest 1.2.0.90 update? May 27 14:46:43 gabrbedd: see pm May 27 14:47:14 pebcak: The one released 5/19 or a daily build? And can you be more specific about "problems with the graphics" May 27 14:47:15 ? May 27 14:47:56 I pointed the repos to latest testing and update via zypper May 27 14:48:34 there was a change in fontcolor and some images seem to be missing, because where the would be there is a white shape May 27 14:49:42 pebcak: dunno about font color... but which images? May 27 14:50:24 in the panelview May 27 14:50:36 I'll do a screenshot later.... May 27 14:53:36 pebcak: I recommend trying one of the daily build images (.img). Could be an API change or something. If it exists in the fresh .img, then file a bug, please. May 27 14:54:33 gabrbedd what's the difference with upgrading all packages with zypper and flashing a new img... May 27 14:54:54 (debian user :P) May 27 14:55:30 I'm trying to run both the tablet ux and the netbook ux on the same computer ; I've installed the meego-Tablet pattern using zypper. Right now, the tablet ux-daemon is running behind all the windows when I'm in netbook mode. Has anyone else tried running both simultaneously? is there a way to configure it to only run the daemon when running mcompositor? May 27 14:56:37 pebcak: The difference is that using the 'latest' repo is a YMMV thing. The .img installs are more closely QA'ed. May 27 14:57:08 pebcak: Theoretically there should be no difference on a released MeeGo, but Tablet UX didn't get released and is still under very active development. May 27 14:57:44 magius_pendragon: uxlauncher starts nearly everything in /etc/xdg/autostart May 27 14:58:10 magius_pendragon: so if you have both UX's installed... then both will be started... because both have a .desktop file in that folder. May 27 14:58:27 magius_pendragon: To get one or the other you'll need to swap out which file exists in that folder. May 27 14:58:32 ux selector *hint* *hint* May 27 14:59:10 gabrbedd ok, thanks May 27 14:59:30 gabrbedd: could i use the OnlyShowIn option? May 27 14:59:48 dm8tbr: perhaps you could give magius_pendragon a link to the ux selector? May 27 15:00:02 gabrbedd: I have ux selector installed... May 27 15:00:02 it's on the meego wiki May 27 15:00:05 magius_pendragon: no, that woudn't work because each UX sets what you are "In" May 27 15:00:41 then it might make sense to talk to Aard if there are more things that need to be adjusted to effectively switch May 27 15:00:42 gabrbedd: then I'm missing something. I have the uxselector from the wiki for switching between teh two. It's te daemon that's running behind everything May 27 15:02:05 magius_pendragon: IDK. I've never used UX selector. It sounds like you said that both Netbook and Tablet UX's are getting started at the same time. If that's happening to you, then I would say ux selector is misconfigured or broken. May 27 15:02:11 magius_pendragon: the problem is that the startup of those daemons are done via xdg autostart desktop files. unfortunately, they are not conditional May 27 15:02:46 I'm aware of the problem, but I don't see a solution possible without changing xdg-specifications right now (though I have to admit that I didn't spend much time thinking about it so far) May 27 15:03:44 Aard: just tried using the OnlyShowIn for the daemon. Seems to work. May 27 15:06:18 oh, looks like I missed one key when reading the specification :) May 27 15:06:48 anyway, any comments about uxselect? I've been hoping to get some feedback of people using it for quite some time... May 27 15:06:50 magius_pendragon: But... I think that'll only work until you try to switch UX's. May 27 15:07:45 Does the exo have 5 point tracking? May 27 15:08:12 gabrbedd: I just tried it on both handset (tablet) and netbook. May 27 15:08:46 magius_pendragon: ok. May 27 15:08:49 Aard: It seems to be ignoring the config file. Or I'm missing something about how that works. Does it switch live? I've only gotten it to work on boot. May 27 15:08:56 is there a way to make the gui somewhat smaller? May 27 15:09:00 (well, on telinit 5) May 27 15:09:35 alterego: I was handed an ExoPC to play with at the conf... and it only did 2 points. May 27 15:10:24 magius_pendragon: it should read the config file after you exit a ux (though I didn't test if it actually works). when you exit a UX uxlaunch respawns, and then launches uxselect May 27 15:10:57 the driver for the egalax can do all 5 alterego gabrbedd May 27 15:11:04 Aard: I had tried adding another line for the Tablet UX, when I thought that it was using something other than mcompositor, but it's not showing up in the selection May 27 15:11:37 magius_pendragon: only entries which exist show up in the selection May 27 15:12:07 pebcak: I did `hexdump -C /dev/inputN` and it stopped sending messages when the 3rd finger hit the screen. May 27 15:12:25 gabrbedd: okay, I just remember a demo of a paint app where they demo'd five point and wondered if it was an exo/wetab May 27 15:12:58 gabrbedd: yeah, I got an exo too, that's why I'm wondering, gonna download the wetab os image later. May 27 15:13:24 alterego: someone, somewhere, told me that the exo did 4x... but not the one I had. May 27 15:13:25 Aard: what does it mean to exist in this case? May 27 15:13:43 Oh, maybe it was 4x May 27 15:13:52 magius_pendragon: uxselect checks if the path to the session-launcher exists, and only displays entries if it does May 27 15:14:05 gabrbedd got a wetab, got 5 or 4 May 27 15:14:20 Aard: and if two have the same path? I think that was te issue, the 2nd one isn't showing May 27 15:14:35 Aard: I'll test it out later and let you know May 27 15:14:39 alterego: But I was in a hurry, and it could have been a kernel driver thing. noodle around in /dev/input/by-id/ to find out the input device... May 27 15:15:10 Then when you do `hexdump -C /dev/input/inputN` you should see messages stop when you've done one finger too many. May 27 15:15:24 Cool, well I'm heading off, it's my Nephews' birthday today :) May 27 15:15:27 I think there's a more human readable tool.... I just don't remember what it is. May 27 15:15:57 alterego: cya... tell 'em HB from us. ;-) May 27 15:16:11 magius_pendragon: I use the session name as key -> only one can exist. anything else doesn't really make sense (at least in the current state, where you can't have special parameters for a session) May 27 15:17:36 moin May 27 15:17:48 oh wow, what an eventful day yesterday May 27 15:18:08 Aard: name and the header tag [blah] are unique, path is the same. Only one was showing up. May 27 15:18:51 magius_pendragon: yes, I use path as key, and only take the first entry. it does not make sense to have multiple entries with the same path May 27 15:19:02 What happened yesterday? Did I miss something good? :( May 27 15:19:39 Aard: okay, good to know May 27 15:20:35 magius_pendragon: though I'm thinking if I should add some support for changing gconf-values (would be required to support an install of both handset and tablet ux on one device) May 27 15:20:54 went to have a walkabout at Hyde Street Pier, then took a cable car to Union Square, walked from there through the Chinatown, went to City Lights bookstore and from there to Embarcadero, and with a trolley to the hotel, at the hotel pulled out my laptop only to find the powerbrick wasn't in the bag... May 27 15:22:24 cue a trip to Hyatt with a trolley, bus to Geary at Masonic Ave Best Buy, shopping for a new powerbrick and a side order of Flipcam extra battery and a cab back to the hotel... May 27 15:23:02 Aard: I can see how it'd be helpful. For my current situation I didn't need it, I was just confused since I was using it as a placeholder. May 27 15:23:28 ending up with a grand total of a one sunburnt Englishman, one medium-rare Finn, less money in the wallet and lots of scenery seen. May 27 15:23:42 (and of course the aforementioned shopping) May 27 15:23:58 magius_pendragon: if you want to be helpful, please add things you found out (and things which confused you) to the ux changing wiki page May 27 15:24:38 Aard: will do, thanks for the help May 27 15:25:05 so - did anyone grab my powerbrick into their bag at Hyatt? May 27 15:25:14 because, you know, I'd still want it back May 27 15:25:35 and if you have more feedback, please tell. we'll most likely include uxselect in 1.3, but I don't like doing that without any feedback from users at all right now May 27 15:30:49 Aard: I'll let you know as I play with it a bit mroe. May 27 15:45:39 gabrbedd was indeed a change with the graphics/theming which wasn't complete with just updating via zypper May 27 15:52:25 pebcak: ok, thanks May 27 16:04:42 * CosmoHill grumbles cos data admin and database admin are too similar May 27 16:12:14 just a quick fyi, the link http://bit.ly/cYT2Hs/ doesn't work with the / on the end May 27 16:15:24 CosmoHill: I like the picture with the dead blowfish. May 27 16:15:59 damn that's a sweet 404 page May 27 16:16:10 gabrbedd http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8128/meegoo.png May 27 16:17:13 bit.ly broken ? they got to Muammar ? May 27 16:23:28 WWWWHHHYYYY can't there be md5sums of the images repo.meego.com and download.meego.com??????!?!?!?!?!?! May 27 16:23:33 WWWWWHHYYYY?!?! May 27 16:23:42 KHAAAAAN!!! May 27 16:23:49 wait, wrong movie May 27 16:24:04 rofl May 27 16:24:43 this is shite - tablet wont boot but I have no way of telling if the problem is with dd of the image or image itself :-< May 27 16:24:50 *ahem* May 27 16:24:51 56528b8331cf7f28171b91fe59d2fa38 meego-netbook-ia32-1.2.0.img May 27 16:24:51 sorry May 27 16:25:16 thanks, close but no cigar May 27 16:25:30 I want it on the website May 27 16:25:45 and all the images May 27 16:25:51 me too May 27 16:25:58 including dailies and snapshots, and all UX versions May 27 16:26:07 so I reiterate: WWWWHHHYYYY?!?!?! May 27 16:26:12 * CosmoHill blinks May 27 16:26:15 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/images/meego-netbook-ia32/MANIFEST May 27 16:26:19 found them May 27 16:26:36 * CosmoHill runs for cover May 27 16:27:06 oh well, atleast there's partial success May 27 16:27:17 too bad the snapshot images don't have that May 27 16:27:56 oh. May 27 16:27:59 I'm just blind May 27 16:28:03 nevermind May 27 16:28:05 *whistles* May 27 16:28:32 the name of this file is confusing May 27 16:28:35 yeah May 27 16:28:43 why it's manifest but not sums or md5sums May 27 16:28:47 or smth like that May 27 16:29:55 um... May 27 16:30:03 someone should file a bug May 27 16:30:06 * CosmoHill looks at Myrtti May 27 16:30:12 :) May 27 16:30:53 yeah, once I get the tablet booting with this sodding image I just might! May 27 16:49:01 * npm wishes there was an X-based remote keyboard "tunnel app" ... displays on exopc, but lets you type w/ desktop keyboard May 27 16:52:06 it's called "ssh" May 27 16:52:12 I think the nook color suffers the same no keyboard problem (http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3037&page=3) May 27 16:52:55 the only connection is usb which cannot be used May 27 16:53:10 can't you do networking over usb/ May 27 16:53:14 yes, the lack of a keyboard or regular USB on the nook color is a pain May 27 16:54:29 wmarone: is there something I can do to help get meego on the nookcolor? May 27 16:54:50 thiago_MUC: I think that npm wants to use the $DISPLAY of the remote computer, but the keyboard of the local computer. I don't know of any solution for that. May 27 16:55:07 yes, if you've got any experience working with OMAP or other mobile devices May 27 16:55:22 the first thing is getting the display to actually come on, and I'm kinda poking around in the dark May 27 16:55:39 hmm May 27 16:55:41 no pun intended May 27 16:56:06 no I'm a newb, I'm a programmer for 10 years but mainly business apps. Very willing to learn though May 27 16:56:15 hm May 27 16:56:24 Isn't meego using X (for now, anyway)? Couldn't you use X forwarding? May 27 16:56:31 GEtting ssh or some sort of netork up can be an alternative. May 27 16:56:36 Even if it's just serial console. May 27 16:56:49 The amount you can do once you've got some meens of talking to it... May 27 16:56:59 akk: I can't even see how far the boot is getting May 27 16:57:24 the link to the serial output over USB looks like it would be far more useful right now May 27 16:57:36 X forwarding will not use the display of one device and keyboard of another May 27 16:57:40 it's all or nothing May 27 16:57:43 it's basically the same architechure as the n900, I wonder if a rouge nokia developer might leak thoes drivers May 27 16:57:55 a red nokia developer? May 27 16:58:11 a fired nokia dev May 27 16:58:23 leaked drivers are still not usable May 27 16:58:45 Leaked drivers for what? May 27 16:58:51 I don't know May 27 16:59:02 I'm just reacting to the "rouge nokia developer" part May 27 16:59:11 true, you couldn't still display on the meego device then May 27 16:59:19 newbie007: which is why I chose it. But everything necessary for video is already available in the DE May 27 17:00:44 npm, http://freshmeat.net/projects/x2x/ or better http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ May 27 17:02:16 with X11 everything is possible :) May 27 17:04:09 It's certainly possible. But probably not without writing an app for the purpose. May 27 17:18:03 smoku: thanks May 27 17:18:05 hmm May 27 17:18:14 repo oss has 'quicksynergy May 27 17:18:16 ' May 27 17:18:20 Summary: Share keyboard and mouse between computers May 27 17:18:53 or i can install synergy-plus.1.3.4-6.fc14 May 27 17:19:22 'oss' also has synergy-1.3.1-9.7 May 27 17:20:18 'QuickSynergy is a graphical interface (GUI) for easily configuring Synergy2, an application that allows the user to share his mouse and keyboard between two or more computers.' May 27 17:20:24 ^^^ part of meego :-) May 27 17:26:19 npm: lemme know how that goes. :-) May 27 17:26:52 just don't do your banking with synergy :) May 27 17:26:53 what my tablet doesn't have manpages installed :-) May 27 17:27:01 gabrbedd: will do May 27 17:27:21 except that quicksynergy(1) didn't tell me how to use itself May 27 17:27:30 but is running on tablet May 27 17:27:49 IIRC it's a panel applet ;-) May 27 17:27:55 or tray applet May 27 17:28:23 yes it looks kinda funny full-screen May 27 17:28:39 try using synergy directly from command line - it's easy May 27 17:28:39 the "about" button is about 4 cm by 4cm May 27 17:29:28 setting up quicksynergy requires plugging in a USB keyboard :-) May 27 17:30:05 there's a fine line between irony and ridiculousness May 27 17:31:16 npm: couldn't you log in with `ssh -X` to configure it? May 27 17:31:25 yes May 27 17:31:49 ssh -Y actually May 27 17:31:53 -X is oldschool May 27 17:44:50 * alterego downloads wetab os image May 27 17:45:24 alterego, you have a exo now May 27 17:45:58 Yup May 27 17:46:12 They were giving them out at the App Up labs on sunday May 27 17:46:29 I'll have to demo it at the next meetup :) May 27 17:46:33 I'm still looking for the London App to be announced May 27 17:46:50 :) It was a really good session May 27 17:47:06 I can't do the Borm meetup as I'm away again :( May 27 17:47:10 Birm May 27 17:47:27 Ah :/ May 27 17:48:14 The loan period is 3 years, then you have to destroy it or return it May 27 17:49:24 not a bad deal May 27 17:49:52 tbh, I don't think large tablets like that will last much more than 3-4 years anyway. May 27 17:50:11 alterego, destory it? May 27 17:50:18 destroy*, seriously? May 27 17:50:18 I'm not a huge fan of the form factor. I guess it's good couch surfing size, but I'm more into mobility. May 27 17:50:40 MohammadAG: yeah May 27 17:50:45 Or send it back May 27 17:51:08 alterego, I played with the new htc 7" at the weekend, still to big for a pocket May 27 17:52:17 Well, pocket size is obviously one issue, the other is one handed holding for voice calls and stuff. May 27 17:52:38 alterego, anyone talking about other arm devices at the conf, tegra,snapdragon etc May 27 17:52:49 Nope May 27 17:53:06 Not that I saw May 27 17:53:20 The general consensus is that tegra is crap :) May 27 17:53:42 But meh, I don't really know much about it's ins/outs. May 27 17:54:23 oh, May 27 17:55:02 And it's still a very new platform May 27 17:55:16 vgrade: those htc 7"s will require really baggy pants... but the weight will require a belt :-) May 27 17:55:40 madness May 27 17:55:54 otherwise you get a little too much "linux plumbers" showing... May 27 17:56:19 did you not know that suspenders are the new fashion trend ? May 27 17:56:38 man larry king should have gone into plumbing May 27 17:57:12 suspenders! May 27 17:58:00 and you can weave a nice antenna into the suspenders too May 27 17:59:25 ah, braces, suspenders mean something else here May 27 18:02:18 * npm wonders if we're ever going to have planetary explorers crashing into the surface of planets (because one contractor used meters, the other feet) because people's english means different things? May 27 18:02:24 vgrade: anyway, no announcements at all May 27 18:03:08 npm: time to switch to latin? May 27 18:03:15 * npm refers to mars polar lander disaster May 27 18:03:26 Anyway, I need to bolt for a bit. May 27 18:04:13 alterego, bye May 27 18:04:42 npm: we had that already, i think was called Beagle May 27 18:05:13 really? what specific kind of misunderstandings happened? May 27 18:05:34 fired retro rockets at the wrong height I think May 27 18:05:58 oh, i thought you referred to beagleboard May 27 18:06:12 no, the Beagle that crashed into Mars May 27 18:06:15 last i checked the beagleboard has no retrorockets :-) May 27 18:06:21 unless it's an add on module May 27 18:06:49 you need a weapons import/export permit for those :) May 27 18:07:41 kind of like that nerf gun project built w/ n900 (?) i heard about at conf. May 27 18:11:14 pandaboard looks fun too. May 27 18:12:32 I think pandaboard only supports solid rocket modules. May 27 18:15:21 I hear it has a great HAARP plugin though May 27 18:26:34 BTW, what's the diff between http://sf2011.meego.com/program/sessions/turn-your-html-javascript-web-code-meego-apps-using-appup-encapsulator and http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/02/22/update-on-the-jumping-norwegian-guy-and-the-qt-web-runtime-project/ May 27 18:28:33 * npm wants to encapsulate my web app http://nielsmayer.com/trainspodder-prototype.jpg May 27 18:28:37 this sounds like a joke? May 27 18:28:38 uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu May 27 18:28:42 a May 27 18:28:50 Argh, sorry. May 27 18:29:26 without looking at the second link, possibly very little, but there might be more API in the first eventually May 27 19:14:59 blauzahl: thanks. i got the impression it was just a relabeling for the intel sdk of what's in qtcreator 2.1 May 27 19:15:28 however i was taking a shower and not investigating the issue :-) May 27 19:15:38 next year, can we get a waterproof exopc? May 27 19:19:31 "their tablet may be designed in california, but only our tablet is designed to work in a hot-tub" May 27 19:19:59 that's very californian May 27 19:20:11 thats where i live May 27 19:20:59 Newport Beach, CA -- home of the economic collapse of a variety of EU nations May 27 19:21:08 sorry. it wasn't me May 27 19:22:57 npm: Fortunately a key patent has expuired. May 27 19:23:00 http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/4536064/description.html May 27 19:24:40 so that means now we can use those stupid QML spinning transitions w/o fearing patent violation :-) May 27 19:30:10 Then you could experience the ghost of Coriolis whenever you drag-and-drop. May 27 19:32:13 hmm... that's an interesting idea for a window manager... centrifugal force... unless you keep things in the center, the slowly fly away onto outer screes May 27 19:32:23 s/screes/screens May 27 19:32:49 "Great for DJ's!" May 27 19:33:49 I would love a tablet I could use in the bath. May 27 19:33:53 I've pondered making one. May 27 19:34:25 But I ended up just using a disposable mouse, and my laptop placed out of the way of splashes. May 27 19:34:25 I know people who put their phones in a ziplock bag and use them in the bath. May 27 19:34:37 SpeedEvil: My kids have one. Kinda like Tuxpaint. May 27 19:34:40 No wifi, though. May 27 19:35:20 quick late breaking session... meego bath ux May 27 19:35:30 or the user could counter-rotate the device to null out the spin May 27 19:36:41 the bath UX could be a simpler version of the marine UX May 27 19:36:44 i wasn't thinking the windows would be spinning, the window is in the same reference frame as the spinning May 27 19:38:42 it would take care of the problem of old windows stacking on top of each other on a tablet ux so that there's no way to tell they're there w/o going to the window switcher May 27 19:39:30 i.e. a lack of "context" that might occur on a larger display w/ traditional window manager and stacking/overlap May 27 19:51:12 is there any good reason why the wiki page for Meego SDK 1.2 doesn't mention repository as possible way to install the SDK. Only the network installer. There seems to be stuff on the repos though. May 27 19:53:55 I think the gui installer uses the repos under the hood -- but it sure would be nice to have that documented, and have a more transparent way to install. May 27 19:56:46 akk: well, in that case following instructions for sdk 1.1 shouldn't do any harm. But yes, it would be nice if it was mentioned there too. May 27 20:09:31 oh fudging faffility May 27 20:10:29 lcuk: Hey bro! Making fudge? May 27 20:10:35 no May 27 20:10:48 just stripped down entire laptop to change the screen May 27 20:11:04 and once I fitted the nice shiny new screen May 27 20:11:12 and put it all back together May 27 20:11:30 found out the inverter is not operating with it May 27 20:11:36 so I stripped it down again May 27 20:11:48 :-( May 27 20:11:54 put the old screen back in to check if it was the inverter itself May 27 20:11:59 and it is May 27 20:12:14 so, meh for productivity May 27 20:12:18 :-(( May 27 20:12:36 I was having a good run today too! May 27 20:14:03 * lcuk ahead on hours though May 27 20:14:32 gabrbedd, I even found all the right screws and had non left over! May 27 20:14:55 lcuk: That's a shame. So do you need a new mobo now? May 27 20:15:19 no May 27 20:15:22 just inverter card May 27 20:15:26 * lcuk typing on it now May 27 20:17:43 gabrbedd, how was the conf for you? May 27 20:17:49 did you do any mixing on the plane? May 27 20:18:41 lcuk: conference was great. a lot of work and fun mixed together... very good time. On the plane, I took the opportunity to rest (both directions). May 27 20:18:56 hah May 27 20:19:40 I open up a blank page and start writing May 27 20:47:12 * timoph is back in Finland May 27 20:47:53 baggage handlers are on strike at hel airport.. May 27 20:48:01 timoph: yay! May 27 20:48:05 yay fun :P May 27 20:48:13 timoph: boo on the baggage handlers... May 27 20:48:16 :-) May 27 20:48:36 so I guess I'll get my bag some day May 27 20:49:00 lesson of the day: do not fly to/from Helsinki May 27 20:50:14 they just gave averyone one form to fill "were to send your luggage once it's handled" :) May 27 20:51:31 still need to sit 1.5h on a bus to tampere :/ May 27 20:54:58 so timoph is back in finland but his luggage is not? May 27 20:55:33 oh I'm sure his luggage is too May 27 20:55:43 ... in a big pile with gazillion other bags May 27 20:55:52 CosmoHill: They just kick all the bags off the plain and leave them in a pile until the union gets the deal they want. May 27 20:55:58 yep :) May 27 21:03:47 timoph, Open Source luggage handling! May 27 21:04:22 :) May 27 21:04:30 they should give people who want to help those little vests and let them rummage through sorting it May 27 21:05:04 * lcuk actually shudders at that, the luggage conveyor belt system would get feature creep and be carrying passengers around May 27 21:05:17 Does it count as crossing a picket line to get your own luggage? May 27 21:06:04 recommendations? Qemu or Qt Simulator. My processor doesn't seem to support virtualization. May 27 21:06:37 I actually took almost 30mis to get out of the plane after landing since the same company drives those stair vehicles May 27 21:06:39 delac, option C May 27 21:07:01 timoph, hi, how you are doing? May 27 21:07:04 timoph, :( May 27 21:07:04 lcuk: and that would be? May 27 21:07:35 run it natively on the OS you have or on the device you have May 27 21:08:01 * lcuk frowns at emulation on principle May 27 21:08:17 but the qt simulator for symbian and maemo does appear to work May 27 21:08:30 I haven't been able to run it again after doing it once May 27 21:08:55 lcuk: hmm, maybe I could put up a ftp-server or something for easy moving... May 27 21:09:08 delac, ssh May 27 21:09:27 * lcuk used ssh and scp from windows to maemo May 27 21:09:30 lcuk: well, that too :) May 27 21:10:03 oh. the srike just ended at midnight so I might actually get my bag during the weekend May 27 21:11:24 * timoph starts trying to sleep in the bus May 27 21:14:14 * iekku tries to be awake in the bus May 27 21:16:12 lcuk: that's what I use too, (though maemo/meego to ubuntu) May 27 21:16:31 the wiki for sdk 1.2 talks about some meegoSdkMaintenanceTool.sh script, but it's not in the provided location. Is it still ok to use mad-admin as noted in sdk 1.1 wiki? May 27 21:17:03 that is, to install targets May 27 21:17:37 btw, why are they not in repos like everything else? May 27 21:17:47 would make things easier May 27 21:31:27 what is the preferred tool to add targets? May 27 21:35:08 a sniper rifle May 27 21:35:20 I see... May 27 21:35:39 or do you mean "drop" targets? XD May 27 21:35:53 delac: add targets..... to what? May 27 21:36:07 build targets May 27 21:36:15 to download and install May 27 21:36:42 atm there is ... May 27 21:37:02 Arm7, and i568 with SSSE3 May 27 21:37:17 delac: I usually do `emacs CMakeLists.txt` -- but I'm not sure what you're doing. May 27 21:37:25 delac: oh... you mean for OSC? May 27 21:37:33 OBS, that is. May 27 21:39:09 gabrbedd: OBS? May 27 21:39:39 wiki for sdk 1.2 talks about some meegoSdkMaintenanceTool.sh script, but it is not where it should be. Wiki for sdk 1.1 on the other hand has instructions to use mad-admin. May 27 21:41:11 delac: Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by "build targets" -- that means different things in lots of different contexts. As for the SDK, I don't use it so I won't be much help. Sorry. May 27 21:41:30 np May 27 22:02:37 anybody knows where will be the next meego conf? May 27 22:02:54 I thought it was supposed to be europe. May 27 22:03:01 Y'all can use my shed. May 27 22:03:34 it better be like tom's shed which is infact bigger than our living room and has a pool table, a bar and arcade machines May 27 22:03:46 :) May 27 22:04:14 SpeedEvil, I think thiago told me that the next one will be somewhere in Central EU May 27 22:04:27 araujo ^ May 27 22:04:55 aah ok, thanks Venemo May 27 22:06:36 does anyone here use Meego SDK? how are build targets added to the SDK 1.2? May 27 22:08:55 delac, you will need to add them to MADDE May 27 22:10:16 Venemo: sdk 1.2 talks about soem Maintenancetool for sdk? Is that preferred way now? May 27 22:10:32 delac, hm, sorry, I'm not familiar with that May 27 22:10:44 delac, I thought it will work similarly to the 1.1 sdk May 27 22:10:52 Venemo: but you know that suin mad-admin works? May 27 22:10:57 usin* May 27 22:11:04 delac, it worked in the 1.1 sdk May 27 22:11:12 I haven't tried 1.2 sdk yet May 27 22:11:31 Venemo: well, that is what I'm worried about... May 27 22:12:04 Venemo: they dont mention mad-admin at the wiki at all May 27 22:16:18 delac, weird May 27 22:40:05 Venemo: well actually now I stumbled upon one version of the wiki where they do mention it. So I thought to try it, BUT it appears that mad-admin list only OLD targets. Most resent seems to be meego-netbook-ia32-1.1.2 May 27 22:41:12 I dont think that refers to the sdk 1.2 but actually to the old 1.1.2 sdk. May 27 22:50:11 or is it just the Trunk version I should use? Is it stable enough? May 27 22:52:16 I have no idea May 27 22:52:39 you should come back in a more reasonable time and ask then. it's almost 1 AM now May 27 22:53:53 actually it is 2am here :) May 27 22:54:02 but not everywhere May 27 22:54:13 somewhere it's morning now May 27 22:54:44 but I gues Meego is more European thing. May 27 22:55:02 maybe I should go to sleep... May 27 22:55:52 I'm awake - but have no clue. May 27 22:56:38 right. well, in that case: good night people! May 27 22:58:21 People were asking SDK questions 6 hours ago and nobody seemed to know much then either. May 27 22:58:38 Probably the mailing lists are a better place for that. May 27 22:58:53 Or a week when people haven't been traveling for a conference. May 27 22:59:00 perhaps even the SDK mailing list :) May 27 23:01:29 Hi guys, does anyone know how to turn off the screensaver and/or the monitor power saving features of 1.2? Using xset doesn't work... There are a couple of people on the forum wishing to know this as well May 27 23:11:38 nasa: use the device panel -> all settings -> power May 27 23:11:56 (1.2 netbook) May 27 23:12:22 auke: I didn't see a power option on the IVI version (will check again) May 27 23:12:45 can't say anything for IVI May 27 23:12:50 Tablet UX doesn't have anything like that yet, right? May 27 23:14:47 * timeless_xchat sighs May 27 23:15:05 so, i tried demoing the exopc to my aunt and uncle May 27 23:15:11 IVI is based more off of tablet than netbook May 27 23:15:18 timeless_xchat, how did it go? May 27 23:15:21 the browser failed to load her blog May 27 23:15:27 bug filed. May 27 23:15:31 akk the tablets (exopc) have a powerbutton at the back.... May 27 23:15:56 he asked me to play a youtube video May 27 23:15:56 timeless_xchat, what browser is that anyway? May 27 23:16:07 chromium May 27 23:16:11 heh May 27 23:16:12 and it started by giving a plugin thing May 27 23:16:14 you can install fennec tough May 27 23:16:21 which i didn't know how to use May 27 23:16:24 pebcak: That just powers down, which is a bit different from sleeping or turning off the display ... May 27 23:16:27 i managed to click it May 27 23:16:40 and it played poorly and silently May 27 23:16:42 akk yeah, just read backscroll,sorry May 27 23:16:44 timeless_xchat, did it ask for the flash plugin? May 27 23:17:03 venemo: i think it had flash cick to play May 27 23:17:29 he asked about playing streaming media from his computer May 27 23:17:40 i suggested he give me a usb stick w/ something May 27 23:17:42 he did May 27 23:17:55 doesn't work yet :P May 27 23:18:00 i tried using the media player (which took ages to load) May 27 23:18:11 it doesn't seem to auto mount usb media May 27 23:18:20 except with a USB stick, you have to plug in a keyboard so you can mount it :/ May 27 23:18:25 oh, people suggested plugging in a keyboard May 27 23:18:41 this house has two Windows 7 computers May 27 23:18:42 There are a lot of things that still require plugging in a keyboard, it seems. May 27 23:18:56 both have ps/2 keyboards May 27 23:18:57 timeless_xchat bet he gave you mp3s anyway May 27 23:18:59 :P May 27 23:19:06 It's very definitely a developer preview, not something that's ready for users. May 27 23:19:31 akk: it's a nice lap-warmer May 27 23:19:51 but i'm in sunny southern california, i don't need a lap-warmer May 27 23:19:57 timeless_xchat, you hadn't cared to prepare for your demoing by testing some trivial use cases, so you humiliated MeeGo in front of them May 27 23:20:33 i told them i didn't know who made the product May 27 23:20:44 * timeless_xchat doesn't know who made the exopc May 27 23:20:58 what is the exopc anyway? May 27 23:21:00 It's apparently some company in canada. May 27 23:21:38 oh, also, once the browser decided to reverse scrolling direction relative to display May 27 23:21:43 timeless_xchat, give people enough new use cases and soon these things find a place May 27 23:22:03 timeless_xchat can send it over :P May 27 23:22:07 but treating it like a laptop pc is going to be tough for it May 27 23:22:24 pepcak: geo-ping May 27 23:22:42 germany ;) May 27 23:22:47 lcuk, it should have handled those use cases seamlessly May 27 23:23:02 timeless_xchat, example meego use case: http://liqbase.net/20110526_002.jpg May 27 23:23:13 it's screwing up direction in gmail again May 27 23:24:22 at least appgrid and lockscreen now work in landscape mode May 27 23:24:23 :P May 27 23:25:13 according to http://www.exopc.com/devices/ the exopc is a windows 7 device. May 27 23:26:03 it's used as a reference platform for meego tablet ux May 27 23:26:12 you can also use the wetab May 27 23:26:22 why doesn't their web site mention this? May 27 23:26:32 same hardware (made by asustak afaik) May 27 23:26:38 °asustek May 27 23:26:57 maybe you should ask them May 27 23:28:44 I don't care that much May 27 23:29:01 venemo : it comes w/ * windows 7 home premium licence May 27 23:29:05 i plan to use that somewhere :) May 27 23:29:17 lol May 27 23:29:51 ooooh premium May 27 23:32:09 venemo : the dublin netbook was windows 7 starter May 27 23:33:02 Can you actually use those exopc licenses on something else? They're not tied to the hardware? May 27 23:33:34 I've always heard that licenses bundled with a machine don't work for the retail version on arbitrary hardware (or in a vm). May 27 23:34:41 I'd love to be able to run W7 inside virtualbox. May 27 23:35:44 akk, I occasionally run it inside virtualbox, but it's not really fun May 27 23:36:07 whats premium, the licence or the W7 ? May 27 23:37:19 I know it can't do aero or whatever inside VB, but I mostly want to be able to do things like the occasional test of a website in IE. May 27 23:37:45 berndhs: windows 7 (and older) comes in various editions May 27 23:38:08 more expensive editions can do more things than cheaper ones May 27 23:38:35 i remember vaguely, for some extra $$ i got a preview of real software May 27 23:39:13 still would have had to pay lots for a normal license though May 27 23:48:31 great May 27 23:48:45 now chromium doesn't have a correct 0x0 coord May 27 23:49:04 the page is shifted right 1" and down 1/2 " May 28 02:15:41 is it possible to set up USB networking with the MeeGo Tablet? May 28 02:15:55 I suppose it is but I fail at google-fu **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 28 02:59:57 2011