**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 29 02:59:58 2011 May 29 03:07:31 npm - the flashing cursor during boot on the ExoPC? About 98 seconds. May 29 03:12:19 bug 17161 May 29 03:12:21 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17161 maj, Medium, ---, andy.ross, RESO FIXED, Booting pauses for ~98 seconds May 29 03:12:56 Meego has 99 problems, and the boot ain't one? May 29 03:13:01 Or something like that. May 29 03:14:36 Interesting -- I get a blinking-cursor hang now and then, but it's most often after an unclean shutdown May 29 03:14:36 MeeGo has more than 99 bugs, and JayZ is not one of them? May 29 03:14:40 so I always assumed it was fsck May 29 03:16:24 akk - me too. Apparently the timeout happens between the BIOS and Kernel handoff. Trying to initialize a second PCI controller that the ExoPC doesn't have. May 29 05:23:07 meh May 29 08:08:18 Hi. May 29 09:37:55 * lcuk yawns and stretches May 29 09:38:02 good morning \o May 29 09:45:10 oh the tablet-ux is soooo nice May 29 09:45:34 on which hardware? May 29 09:45:43 just an ExoPC / Wetab May 29 09:46:48 could be a little more stable, but by large it works great May 29 09:47:05 blindfish__: then try putting a few things actually on those 'sections'. once I had icons on all of them swiping around was jerjerjerjerkkkktastic May 29 10:10:30 blindfish__, what is your favourite aspect of the tablet ux? May 29 10:10:50 having nice feedback such as you are discovering is great :) May 29 10:12:42 n900-de in tablet mode has awesome battery longevity - at least without being on the network, will test further May 29 10:13:11 morning CosmoHill May 29 10:13:15 morning May 29 10:13:21 I think maemo without network connectivity is pretty much the same :) May 29 10:13:42 I'm playing around with intel burn test, coretemp and now easytune 6 May 29 10:14:47 dm8tbr, yes but I have sim card in n900 all the time May 29 10:15:00 the n900-de is not detecting network though, hmm May 29 10:15:24 pin dialogue missing maybe? May 29 10:15:38 just not listing them in the connections dialogue May 29 10:16:06 ah, IC, that might just not be implemented May 29 10:17:52 Icuk: my favourite aspect? i guess this panel- / section-view. i like the idea very much to see everything just "on top" of the tablet without starting hunderts of application May 29 10:18:15 but the greatest thing about meego (just in my mind) is that its "just" a regular linux May 29 10:18:38 you can do the same things with it as you do with a desktop-system May 29 10:18:49 just noch so castrated as iOS or Android May 29 10:18:57 *just not May 29 10:19:23 I think you meant: the userspace has among other things a X11 server (later on wayland) May 29 10:21:10 hmm does not sound right, bug 18161 is similar, ahh bug 14950 also, but that is theme related May 29 10:21:13 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18161 nor, Undecided, ---, martin.xu, NEW, [Trunk:Testing]Fail to scan WIFI AP list on Networks panel May 29 10:21:16 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14950 maj, Medium, ---, janne.siren, REOP, [Trunk: Testing] WLAN networks names are not visible in Wifi app. May 29 10:21:48 blindfish__, specifically then, which oof the panels are most useful to you? May 29 10:22:33 the underlying system is changing as dm8tbr said, according to a few people wayland will replace the x11 May 29 10:22:58 which then makes meego pretty much the same as android as far as graphics go May 29 10:26:06 icuk: at the moment i guess the browser-section, cause i mainly use the tablet for some surfing in front of the tv. some more web-connectors in the friends-section would be really nice - especially twitter and statusNet just as in the netbook-ux May 29 10:26:54 is your tv unit capable of being controlled from your device? May 29 10:27:18 no, i don't use meego for controlling it May 29 10:27:38 is it possible to do so? May 29 10:27:54 more or less ... yes May 29 10:27:55 since you sit with it infront of you at tv time May 29 10:27:56 :) May 29 10:28:01 i have a mythtv-mmc May 29 10:28:02 I mean like this: http://liqbase.net/liq.20101214_234800.liqremote_run.scr.png May 29 10:28:14 its possible to controll it through the web-interface May 29 10:28:16 what if you just had a simple panel on the tablet ux? May 29 10:29:02 hmm, would be a nice thing May 29 10:29:10 * lcuk thinks simply about things May 29 10:29:12 i have something similar on my android-phone May 29 10:29:24 you have this device on your knee - you are watching tv. May 29 10:30:45 TSCHAKeee, ping ^^ May 29 10:30:59 and potentially sage too ^^ ;) May 29 10:34:13 frals, WORKSFORME May 29 10:40:58 lcuk: wut? May 29 10:41:07 ah yeah same here now May 29 10:43:55 lol yeah May 29 10:44:46 frals, UI wise does this look reasonable: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110529_111703.liqrecentsketches_tagging.scr.png May 29 10:46:28 looks a little like the original wetab-ui :P May 29 10:46:37 How do you breed ice-cream? May 29 10:46:46 Because I want to know. May 29 10:47:36 lcuk: Is there a reason to not put divisors between the sketches? May 29 10:47:43 ew wetab ui May 29 10:47:43 blindfish__, I wrote the notes up for this a loooong time ago May 29 10:49:09 SpeedEvil, divisors? like this: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090723_181927.liqnoteviewchain.scr.png May 29 10:49:28 Something like that, yes. May 29 10:49:31 blindfish__, the UI I am writing is based on notes I wrote in ,,, let me find the sketch May 29 10:50:05 http://liqbase.net/liq.20110528_155246.liqrecentsketches_tagging.scr.png May 29 10:50:12 2009 I believe May 29 10:50:24 hmm? thought it was a joke May 29 10:50:28 * SpeedEvil tries to remember what he was doing in 2009. May 29 10:50:33 have you seen the wetab-ui, icuk? May 29 10:50:42 I think I was trying to make fire by rubbing two carrots together. May 29 10:50:43 I only got interested in actually making the tagging/grouping stuff recently but have had the main graffiti wall in use all along May 29 10:50:44 looks pretty much like this sketch May 29 10:51:22 blindfish__, that is perhaps true, I see many of the things I draw around many places May 29 10:52:07 blindfish__, does the wetab ui work on n900? May 29 10:52:14 no May 29 10:52:20 mom, let me look for a youtube-video May 29 10:52:35 i have seen it May 29 10:52:43 I have used one for a brief time May 29 10:52:58 oh, ok May 29 10:53:38 blindfish, from 2008: http://liqbase.net/liqbase_big.JPG May 29 10:54:28 * lcuk has not been able to afford a tablet since then and only got to play for a few days with that x41 May 29 10:56:03 hm yes, most tablets are painfully expensive May 29 10:56:28 nope May 29 10:57:20 expense is relative - having spare money to afford toys is what we lack in our family :) May 29 10:58:12 * lcuk showed his calendar to doctor last time he visited :O May 29 10:58:29 she said to put her name on the box because its awesome o_O May 29 10:58:43 you can get just about 50 tablets under 300€ in germany May 29 10:58:44 :) May 29 10:58:52 ;P May 29 10:59:24 pebcak, and how much to hire developers to actually polish and tidy up all the stuff I would want to run on them? May 29 11:00:53 pebcak: about 50 tablet, right, but most of them are a little crappy May 29 11:01:27 blindfish that wasn't your criteria May 29 11:01:42 should be everyones criteria ;) May 29 11:02:01 than the wetab would have sold even less May 29 11:02:07 because it's still crappy May 29 11:02:49 nope, the wetab itself is great, just the pre-installed operating system is crap May 29 11:02:58 well ... the ui of it May 29 11:03:06 no, it's not May 29 11:03:35 it flexes, the screen sucks, half the time you get cpu problems May 29 11:03:48 "cpu problems"? May 29 11:04:01 lcuk: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/cosmo-first-OC.png :D May 29 11:04:12 yeah, ie kernel not booting, because the cpu fucks up May 29 11:05:01 wow, ok, didn't have that one so far May 29 11:05:05 blindfish, pebcak - I am used to designing for imperfections May 29 11:05:35 from UI expecting the touchscreen is outside lab conditions and imprecises (my n810 was old and not very sensitive) May 29 11:05:37 I'm used to hack it till it works, it#s still not "great" May 29 11:06:02 especially using the old touchscreen firmware it pretty much sucks May 29 11:06:45 sigh May 29 11:07:00 don't get me wrong, I like the wetab for the possibilities May 29 11:07:04 design for low powered devices and be eternally surprised when you run on faster hardware May 29 11:07:17 but it's not a "great device" May 29 11:07:28 ahem: May 29 11:07:29 I loved the openmoko for the possibilities May 29 11:07:29 Dear #Intel, please slow down your chips. They make my software run so fast I cannot take photos. http://liqbase.net/2011-05-24-231851.jpg http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/74247116976959489 May 29 11:07:35 but it's not a great device May 29 11:09:00 okay, you're right pebcak May 29 11:09:14 but i guess it's still okay for the 200€ i had to pay for it May 29 11:10:16 I had to pay more May 29 11:10:37 shure you had May 29 11:11:11 ;) May 29 11:11:47 i'd never pay 400 € (was that the start-price for the wetab?) for this device May 29 11:12:18 550 for the 32gb/3g one May 29 11:12:45 so you paid the full price? May 29 11:15:37 blindfish nope, and I wouldn't have May 29 11:15:46 paid ~400€ May 29 11:16:08 how big is the device? May 29 11:16:09 which was ok, got wetab os, meego tablet + android x86 running May 29 11:16:10 battery life? May 29 11:16:24 pebcak, what do you actually use it for May 29 11:17:21 lcuk to test some stuff, happy hacking, playing day of the tentacle, reading, browsing etc. May 29 11:18:07 at the moment also having fun with sugar on meego (sugarlabs.org) May 29 11:18:16 screenshots May 29 11:18:22 pebcak: was it hard to install android? does it work well? May 29 11:18:29 That sounds like a good day to me :) May 29 11:18:54 blindfish nic uploaded an image at wetab-community May 29 11:19:25 Hmm... but would the mesh networking used in sugar work with connman's refusal to support adhoc networking? May 29 11:19:25 I build my own gingerbread ones, still have some problems with graphics but working on it May 29 11:19:44 mesh isn't "used" in sugar May 29 11:19:52 it#s used with the xo 1.0 May 29 11:20:19 collobaration stuff is actually done with an xmpp extension and a patched ejabberd May 29 11:21:31 lcuk wetab is 11,6" (1366x768) and battery life varries May 29 11:21:54 some people say 2-3 hours, I can watch movies for 3 1/2 hors and read 4-5 hours May 29 11:22:46 leinir mesh works great with greater distance May 29 11:23:01 but if you got 30 kids in a room with mesh it#s a nightmare May 29 11:23:50 Right, wasn't sure how deeply integrated that particular tech was :) May 29 11:25:27 * CosmoHill is confused cos a small girl just knocked at the door and asked if I wanted to buy a cake May 29 11:25:35 hehe May 29 11:25:47 ^^ May 29 11:26:11 blindfish I thought I saw your nick at the wetab-community forums May 29 11:26:37 pebcak: yes, thats right May 29 11:27:44 hehe, we talked about fennec :D May 29 11:28:08 oh yes May 29 11:28:12 i tried it btw. May 29 11:28:18 great peace of software ;) May 29 11:28:34 a bit slow, but ok :p May 29 11:28:57 im just more interested in meego than the wetab-os. and this is why im not really active on the wetab-board May 29 11:29:09 hehe, me too May 29 11:29:11 don't have an installation of wetabos since march any more May 29 11:29:21 triple boot :D May 29 11:29:54 http://www.wetab-community.com/index.php?/topic/15110-meego-1112-ux-am-wetab/page__view__findpost__p__185602 ;) tablet update :D May 29 11:29:55 i have the 16gb-version of the tablet, so dual-boot / triple-boot sucks a little May 29 11:30:19 yeah, I guess May 29 11:30:49 * CosmoHill watches a F1 driver throw a BBC presenter into a swimming pool May 29 11:32:07 liked the dark backgrounds better in the panelview May 29 11:32:21 pebcak: nice May 29 11:33:03 i have the build from the 20th may (or something around this date) installed - just gatting the appgrid in vertical-view May 29 11:33:14 *getting May 29 11:33:30 yeah, it's a newer build from daily snapshots May 29 11:36:53 does someone know something about the intel application labs in munich in july? it still says "Coming Soon" for some weeks now. May 29 11:37:12 july is coming soon May 29 11:38:11 hehe May 29 11:39:01 ... May 29 11:39:13 i miss the "registration"-button ;) May 29 11:41:32 I guess you have to register at the mobile mondy page May 29 11:42:14 °monday May 29 11:43:11 oh thanks May 29 11:43:31 the last time i looked on the mobile-monday page they didnt list the first july as an event May 29 11:43:35 now they do May 29 11:43:39 but ... "Register now! >> (possible early JUNE)" May 29 11:43:41 ;) May 29 11:43:51 okay, better than nothing May 29 11:44:59 mittagsbubu, bbl May 29 11:58:06 are there any modern stylus/pen driven tablets around? May 29 11:58:25 not resistive or capacitive (though a capacitive layer on top as well as pen would be awesome) May 29 11:59:16 extra super double bonus if it boots meego happily May 29 12:00:02 DawnFoster, device program stuff, would something like this exist and have a way to be used at home anywhere? May 29 12:01:25 * lcuk uses pen and paper instead for this afternoon May 29 12:02:21 * lcuk ponders and then grabs n810 + crate May 29 12:02:26 Heh May 29 12:02:28 do intel- /nokia-people / "official meego guys" also come into this channel? May 29 12:02:37 blindfish: yes May 29 12:02:48 however it is sunday May 29 12:02:57 And some of them can't talk about what ew May 29 12:02:59 blindfish, s/guys/people/ May 29 12:02:59 and the formula race is about to start May 29 12:03:02 we want them to talk about. May 29 12:03:33 SpeedEvil, meego is *open* if something is being developed it should occur out in the open May 29 12:03:43 Well - yes. May 29 12:03:48 But for example - hw. May 29 12:04:00 hw is less a concern if the software runs well May 29 12:04:06 n900 is hw May 29 12:04:14 ideapad is hw May 29 12:04:17 exopc is hw May 29 12:04:23 etc May 29 12:04:33 In some ways yes, in other ways - a SD with meego on it is not an inherently usable object. May 29 12:04:35 * lcuk notes n900 only has pen input May 29 12:04:49 SpeedEvil, what does? May 29 12:05:02 I recall the first time I ever heard about Qt May 29 12:05:07 "code once, deploy anywhere" May 29 12:05:15 now, there are a great many maemo qt apps May 29 12:05:21 are they available for meego? May 29 12:06:07 * SpeedEvil suffers a fatal parser error. ENOCOFFEE. May 29 12:07:06 SpeedEvil, what do you need to make meego usable for you? May 29 12:07:47 Coffee. May 29 12:08:05 As a prerequisite. May 29 12:08:11 Then hardware to run it on. May 29 12:25:21 hmm should the output .spec of "specify" contain %qmake or is this supposed to be replaced by something else? May 29 12:25:30 because i'm getting an error when trying to run rpmbuild with that file May 29 12:40:26 ~seen zehjotkah May 29 12:40:34 zehjotkah <~zehjotkah@204-16-154-129-static.ipnetworksinc.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 3d 19h 25m 14s ago, saying: 'don't made him laugh, don't make him laugh!'. May 29 12:48:22 looking for gossip, eh? ;) May 29 13:16:45 sofar: you there? May 29 13:18:59 i want to try Meego on ubuntu what's the easiest way ? May 29 13:19:36 should i download the complete SDK for that purpose ? May 29 14:08:59 ~seen godzilla May 29 14:09:02 godzilla <51818e8d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.129.142.141> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 135d 16h 30m 49s ago, saying: 'RAWR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'. May 29 14:09:13 * lcuk giggles May 29 14:09:28 that's quoted out of context, unfair :) May 29 14:12:46 anybody got QtMobility sensors (accelerometer) working on the exopc tablet ux? related bug: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17461 May 29 14:12:49 Bug 17461 nor, Low, ---, jerry.yu, NEED, Can't use Accelerometer Sensor in ExoPC with MeeGo Table pre-alpha OS May 29 14:18:36 hey, question about the meego netbook ux. if I open file browser (nautilus) and double click on a text/src file it opens in gedit May 29 14:18:48 if I double click on another, it opens a whole new instance of gedit May 29 14:19:03 even though gedit on my desktop happily opens multiple tabs for each file May 29 14:19:16 anyone know how to make meego netbook nautilus do the same May 29 14:19:47 hi mmeeks \o how goes OOo and general self? May 29 14:22:22 lcukabc: could be a dbus issue, gedit talks to other instances of itself probably using dbus May 29 14:23:19 lcukabc: or the desktop file might have --new-window May 29 14:23:22 berndhs: I dunno, but having an instance per file is mildly frustrating May 29 14:23:29 lcukabc: unlikely though May 29 14:23:31 let me check May 29 14:23:37 lcukabc: yes it can be annoying May 29 14:24:23 more likely gedit doesnt recognize the zones as workspaces May 29 14:24:51 so it cant check wether the zone has already a open window or not May 29 14:25:05 or something like that May 29 14:25:16 i cannot recognise zones as workspaces May 29 14:25:28 frustrating to attempt to do multitasking May 29 14:25:35 indeed May 29 14:25:40 even with alt-tab the arrangement of the windows is odd May 29 14:27:26 bug 10544 waas filed a while ago related May 29 14:27:29 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10544 nor, Medium, ---, tf, RESO WONTFIX, Alt-Tab app order not reflected in applications May 29 14:29:47 how is mulktitasking on the tblet ux? May 29 14:29:56 tablet ux May 29 14:31:26 lcuk you seem to be multiplying May 29 14:31:55 CosmoHill: different machines May 29 14:32:10 i would normally grab my laptop and come sit by the bed May 29 14:32:22 but I am using ideapad instead May 29 14:32:23 I'd sit on the bed, much more comfy May 29 14:32:36 yeah true May 29 14:32:54 * lcukabc replaced the screen May 29 14:33:20 but the inverter is also broke (at least I think so, not getting any HV out of it May 29 14:41:20 lcukabc: On the Tablet UX, multitasking is... ok. May 29 14:41:41 lcukabc: Press meta button 2x and you get a list of "recent apps" (whether they are running or not) May 29 14:41:55 lcukabc: What you see is their desktop icons. May 29 14:42:42 lcukabc: If you fire one off, you get the already opened application. If you go to your apps and try to start a new instance of an already-opened app, you'll get the same application (i.e. only 1 instance) May 29 14:43:55 lcukabc: There's nothing even remotely like nautilus in Tablet UX... so there's nothing that launches an app based on a file's type. May 29 14:50:26 does anyone know if it is possible to NOT install bootloader with meego netbook? I did take a look of the installation dialogs, but there is nothing apparently obivious way. May 29 14:53:24 * alterego just purchased a mini HDMI-C -> HDMI-A for his exo :) May 29 14:53:34 Just under 5 quid from Tesco, neah bad. May 29 14:53:44 alterego: does HDMI out work in meego tablet ux? May 29 14:53:57 Not MeeGo Tablet (yet) works in Webtab OS though May 29 14:54:16 I reckon HDMI probably does work in tablet, it's just there's no way to configure it. May 29 14:54:41 ah ok. i read somewhere that there was some binary that needs to be copied over from wetab os to enable hdmi May 29 14:55:41 Ah, probably some firmware then, yes. May 29 14:55:46 I'm currently running wetab os May 29 14:56:27 alterego: http://www.wetab-community.com/index.php?/topic/12074-hdmi-ausgang/ May 29 14:56:53 alterego: the first two files need to copied off from wetab os, then the commands below have to be executed May 29 14:56:58 i haven't tested it myself, though May 29 14:57:14 Interesting May 29 14:57:18 Thanks for the link ;) May 29 14:57:28 I will be reverting back to MeeGo tablet UX soon. May 29 15:00:01 or (if you have a usb keyboard, which you probably have) you could try ubuntu as well ;) May 29 15:00:20 both meego tablet and ubuntu boot happily from usb. ubuntu can even be configured to persist changed on the usb stick. May 29 15:03:35 Neat May 29 15:03:42 I was going to attempt to install 11.04 on it May 29 15:03:58 Then try and get Maliit working May 29 15:04:53 Ooo, I've now got 3 followers on twitter! May 29 15:04:57 * alterego has a party May 29 15:07:35 alterego: what's your twitter handle? I'll make it 4. May 29 15:07:37 i dont have many followers because I dont say very much on twitter. So its not really worth saying much. May 29 15:07:43 ThomasSwindell May 29 15:08:10 That "director" guy from London keeps stealing my usernames May 29 15:08:24 :-) May 29 15:09:05 alterego: OMAP also has off-the-self dev kits... May 29 15:10:16 alterego: e.g. the omap blaze.... http://svtronics.com/market_omap May 29 15:12:56 alterego: anyway, I think that's a good suggestion. May 29 15:13:28 Thanks May 29 15:14:33 I swear it's impossible to make me look good in photos May 29 15:15:03 alterego: sue the photoshop people May 29 15:15:21 Sue Nokia for their crapp Karl Ugly lens :P May 29 15:16:27 I'm gonna go for the "Jesus on a Rock" pose May 29 15:16:37 alterego: LOL May 29 15:25:50 Teeheehee, http://meegonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Meego-Conference-Werewolf.jpg May 29 15:29:10 *notices that my hands were blurry in most of the werewolf photos & wonders what the heck I was doing* May 29 15:31:19 alterego: Are you even in that photo?? Is that your nose? May 29 15:31:24 Yes :D May 29 15:31:55 I was nmext to the crazy drunk guy who was having a birthday. May 29 15:32:27 I'm trying to find more photos May 29 15:32:38 alterego: ha! I work with Bob (aka crazy drunk birthday guy) :) May 29 15:32:40 alterego: of you, or of bob? May 29 15:32:44 Hah May 29 15:32:48 Of bob of course :P May 29 15:33:05 DawnFoster: awesome, I bet your days are v. interesting :D May 29 15:33:50 alterego: at least this one has more than your nose: http://www.flickr.com/photos/blauzahl/5757523923/ May 29 15:34:01 Oh, what a pose May 29 15:34:26 I'm pretty sure I wasn't admiring your butt, May 29 15:34:32 But I had had a lot to drink .. May 29 15:34:39 Wait, erm .. May 29 15:34:53 I was looking where everyone else was O_O May 29 15:34:54 :) May 29 15:36:14 That's a pretty good one of Jaffa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/blauzahl/5765614765/in/photostream May 29 15:36:24 Heh, classic quote too :D May 29 15:36:37 alterego: Your pose reminds me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZBLEeR836I May 29 15:37:04 Hahah May 29 15:37:06 Nice .. May 29 15:37:21 Yep, that's a good one of Jaffa May 29 15:39:46 I've got a good video of dneary playing with bubbles May 29 15:39:54 I'll have to upload them later. May 29 15:40:55 How does flickr tagging work? May 29 15:41:00 Is it a twitter account? May 29 15:41:55 alterego: I was trying to figure it out yesterday.... May 29 15:41:58 tagging people attaches them to their twitter account May 29 15:42:07 wait, no May 29 15:42:18 alterego: supposedly there's a link that should appear next to "People in this photo" May 29 15:42:19 tagging people attaches them to their *flickr* account May 29 15:42:19 twitter? May 29 15:42:27 Right May 29 15:42:30 That's what I thought ;) May 29 15:42:41 alterego: But it doesn't appear for me... even after I set up a flickr account. May 29 15:42:45 sorry - it's early here. *goes to get another cup of tea* May 29 15:42:49 :) May 29 15:42:55 alterego: So I guess only *special* people get to tag :-) May 29 15:43:04 only some people allow others to tag people in their photos May 29 15:43:05 gabrbedd: it's probably some kind of grace period May 29 15:43:12 Or that May 29 15:43:16 the person uploading the photo gets to decide May 29 15:43:22 or could be new users, too May 29 15:43:39 I might knock together a MeeGo Media Network site May 29 15:43:50 "I (state your name) being of sound mind and body, hereby certify that I am not a spammer." May 29 15:44:23 I wanna see more pictures! May 29 15:44:27 Who else had a camera May 29 15:44:59 alterego: I've got a picture from when my demo in the Intel booth got a btrfs kernel oops... but that's probably not what you're looking for. May 29 15:45:07 Heh May 29 15:45:18 I got a picture of my dialer UX in Jukka's slide May 29 15:45:36 Looks like a few of the videos out there have my number edited out too (thank god) May 29 15:46:21 http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=meegoconf+OR+%22meego+conference%22&ss=2&s=rec May 29 15:46:36 has a lot of sightseeing pics from people but captures a lot of them May 29 15:48:08 * w00t_ wanders in absolutely exhausted May 29 15:48:16 Heh May 29 15:48:27 hey w00t_! May 29 15:48:40 I think the only reason I am alive right now is starbucks May 29 15:48:46 w00t_: yeah, several of us are still recovering. Welcome back! May 29 15:48:57 I'm pretty recovered now May 29 15:49:35 :) May 29 15:49:43 That cheeky GAN900: http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5759077586/ May 29 15:50:25 http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5759078538/ May 29 15:50:26 Heh May 29 15:50:39 * w00t_ should probably put his and brik's photos online once we get them sorted out May 29 15:51:06 Yeah, I guess I should make a flickr account or something, May 29 15:51:14 I've stuck a bunch on facebook for family/friends May 29 15:51:23 But no real way to share with the community. May 29 15:51:46 Ah, I didn't realize GAN900 == generalantilles May 29 15:51:54 Heh May 29 15:51:58 Yes, it is. May 29 15:52:37 * w00t_ wishes he had time to talk to a lot more people May 29 15:53:11 This is a realy good picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5755866407/ May 29 15:53:25 Who's that guy? May 29 15:54:08 Arek, from poland. May 29 15:54:36 http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5751457913/in/photostream/ glglglglgl May 29 15:54:42 Yeah, he made a very good warewolf, *giggles* May 29 15:54:48 Other than that, I hadn't met him before. May 29 15:55:06 Yeah, don't think I introduced myself May 29 15:55:26 But we moved in similar circles throughout the event. May 29 15:56:01 Shame, could have been a good shot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/umpcportal/5751265597/ May 29 15:58:27 we also have a bunch of official photos from our ninja photographer, but we don't have them up on flickr yet (except for keynotes) May 29 16:02:15 Nice, just found the Angry Birds contest video :) May 29 16:02:23 I like this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/geekygirldawn/5747363842/ Eric looks so serious about his catapult :) May 29 16:05:54 alterego: they did a great job with that video May 29 16:06:28 we need to starting thinking about how we can come up with an activity to top the angry birds contest for the next meegoconf May 29 16:06:43 alterego: URL? May 29 16:07:22 Jaffa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvn3CXO9c-M May 29 16:07:41 alterego: Ta May 29 16:07:54 Gah, interlacing May 29 16:13:40 Heh May 29 16:13:58 DawnFoster: do you happen to know if/when the recorded conference sessions will be stuck online? May 29 16:14:06 I missed a few I'd really like to catch up on. May 29 16:21:43 Somebody said (on the mailing lists, I think) that they should start going up next week, after the holiday weekend. May 29 16:24:17 we should have them up starting on tuesday May 29 16:24:24 monday is a us holiday May 29 16:24:35 and will probably take a couple of days to get them all up May 29 16:24:59 I expect the rest of the pictures will do up around the same time May 29 16:31:21 Yeah, Monday is a holiday here too. May 29 16:37:09 where is the next meego conf? May 29 16:38:50 we haven't quite picked a date / location May 29 16:39:01 SF or Asia are likely choices May 29 16:39:15 I think we're leaning toward SF, but still TBD May 29 16:40:15 SF? May 29 16:40:23 as in SFO? May 29 16:40:36 * mikeleib proposes AMS May 29 16:40:48 +1 major airport hub May 29 16:40:55 +1 PDX->AMS direct May 29 16:41:02 +1 HEL->AMS direct May 29 16:41:10 +1 train service May 29 16:41:12 Next year is too far away :( May 29 16:42:01 LHR->AMS direct May 29 16:42:06 SFO is a major hub for people coming from Asia :) May 29 16:42:12 * mikeleib waves to alterego May 29 16:42:34 we should split the difference and do it in HNL instead May 29 16:43:05 it's nearly mid-way May 29 16:44:30 how about Iceland ? May 29 16:44:39 umm... it's in winter May 29 16:45:11 close to the eruptinc vulcano then, shoult be warmer May 29 16:46:06 another reason not to have it in iceland-- flight cancellations on the way back May 29 16:46:23 * mikeleib has mauled the conf wiki page in accordance to this discussion May 29 16:50:47 * mikeleib has idea for pdt May 29 16:50:55 wait.. no.. conf May 29 17:19:59 i propose shangai for next year meego conference :) May 29 17:20:41 not sure if my proposal carries any weight though :) May 29 17:23:35 I propose, erm, Bruges May 29 17:23:47 Gent's nicer. May 29 17:23:48 (Not because I'm there, I'd just like to visit it ;) May 29 17:25:08 Depends on the kind of weather you want at a conf, Iceland is nice. And we could have the party at the blue lagoon, which is pretty epic. May 29 17:25:18 DawnFoster: Completed my action before the end of Sunday (even though it's a long weekend here): http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps/QA - haven't got bergie's notes, though, so can't remember the exact questions we discussed. May 29 17:25:31 Blue Lagoon's cool. Bloody freezing, though. May 29 17:25:48 Jaffa: awesome, thank you! May 29 17:28:13 how about denver the mile city :) May 29 17:30:29 Is anybody around (X-Fade?) who can create community obs accounts? or should I email? May 29 17:32:49 akk: _lbt_log is still travelling, I think May 29 17:32:52 akk: Dunno about X-Fade May 29 17:32:57 akk: Email might be best :-) May 29 17:33:31 Thanks, I'll email. May 29 17:37:12 Niagara Falls, Ontario for the next convention May 29 17:37:30 great view, lousy weather in November May 29 17:47:45 There was some discussion about a HarmattanConf. Maybe at my house ;-) May 29 17:47:55 All 6 (passionate) users can get free bed & board. May 29 17:52:27 meh, give me fresh hw any day, my n900 usb broke May 29 17:52:35 who cares about the sf ;) May 29 17:52:38 er, sw May 29 17:54:12 is that the second usb that broke for you? May 29 17:59:00 Stskeeps: recently? May 29 18:02:04 alterego: people pulling down wifi stepped over my charger cable May 29 18:02:28 eeek May 29 18:02:34 Do you have a spare? May 29 18:02:42 yeah May 29 18:02:55 wil convert this one to go on top of a jig prolly May 29 18:02:57 Cool, do you have a spare spare? :) May 29 18:03:09 Oh, they need to be special to go on a jig? May 29 18:03:13 nah May 29 18:03:18 just not mobile May 29 18:03:28 waiting for n950, so no use getting a spare spare ;p May 29 18:03:34 :) May 29 18:03:53 I over heard some interesting conversations in that regard May 29 18:03:56 * SpeedEvil waits for n950. May 29 18:04:03 Stskeeps: ouch May 29 18:04:07 Unfortunately I was too pissed to remember much of it. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 29 18:06:10 2011 May 29 18:07:16 oops, I pulled a cable ;) May 29 18:14:51 * gabrbedd found that he's not sexy enough to wear his "Intel Open Source Technology Center" t-shirt May 29 18:16:38 gabrbedd: What about the "If you're Qt, I'm open" one? May 29 18:17:05 Jaffa: I didn't get one of those. The IOSTC shirts are cut like baby tees, though. May 29 18:24:08 does anybody know where are the device program notes? May 29 18:26:14 lcuk: The one where the community is creating a device... or the one where you can get a vendor's device for dev? May 29 18:26:25 either May 29 18:27:13 http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program May 29 18:27:15 and... May 29 18:28:43 ... May 29 18:29:05 gabrbedd, that is a great start, thanks May 29 18:29:10 "Confirm that you have asked your employer for a device (if applicable), and been turned down. " May 29 18:29:26 http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Built_Devices May 29 18:29:56 *reminds me that I still need to do a blog post about the community device program* May 29 18:30:21 I'll wait until tues when everyone is back to work and not on holiday May 29 18:30:35 well how can I ask for a device when the category does not officially seem to exist any more May 29 18:30:41 (stylus/pen driven) May 29 18:31:15 apparently I'm working too hard this weekend - I keep giving myself new tasks & making even more work :) May 29 18:31:30 DawnFoster, n900-de has tasks UI included May 29 18:31:39 and is usable too May 29 18:31:40 :) May 29 18:31:55 lcuk: ha! I have a web-based one that I like (Hiveminder) May 29 18:32:25 web based is great until you get somewhere (inside office buildings even) where you cannot get internet May 29 18:32:30 the problem isn't the tool, it's the number of work things that I need to do over my three day weekend "holiday" May 29 18:32:38 and it is not always possible to have guest wifi May 29 18:33:08 DawnFoster, write down your tasks on real juggling balls May 29 18:33:15 lcuk: I can usually get pretty good cell service in buildings May 29 18:33:24 dress up and entertain the kids whilst also prioritising May 29 18:33:32 lcuk: that would be a more accurate representation :) May 29 18:33:47 lcuk: especially when I drop them all :) May 29 18:33:55 that happens sometimes May 29 18:34:02 you just pick em up and start again :) May 29 18:34:57 btw, could you pass on a message to Intel I twittered about recently ;) : May 29 18:35:14 http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/74247116976959489 May 29 18:35:43 lcuk: :) May 29 18:37:01 DawnFoster, how is your book, I noticed you typo corrected, is it being printed? May 29 18:37:20 lcuk: I'm getting back to it this weekend. May 29 18:37:33 I also had a friend & my mom read the inside for typos May 29 18:37:34 ahh that is one of the balls! May 29 18:37:40 and they found a few May 29 18:37:47 so making a couple of minor changes May 29 18:37:59 Need any more proofreaders? May 29 18:38:05 and hope to have it online for sale in mid-June at the latest May 29 18:38:05 that sounds reasonable, I do not think there is a book anywhere without typos May 29 18:38:22 lcuk: yeah, I find them in print books all the time May 29 18:38:27 I'm good at tyops. May 29 18:38:36 as long as "cooling afternoon snack" does not include 5lbs of peppers" May 29 18:38:50 SpeedEvil: thanks for the offer, but I'm making the changes today and sending it back May 29 18:38:56 :) May 29 18:39:20 lcuk: what - isn't that a cooling afternoon snack: o_O May 29 18:39:36 depends on the kind of pepper :D May 29 18:39:51 I suppose a run through the city looking for water would cool you off May 29 18:42:23 Is that Texrat on the right: http://www.flickr.com/photos/geekygirldawn/5744709286/in/photostream May 29 18:42:27 * alterego chuckles May 29 18:42:47 :) May 29 18:43:14 what you don't see is that the pigs are guarding our snacks, which were under the tablecloth :) May 29 18:43:23 Hah, yeah May 29 18:44:58 Next year can we have 'Villager' tags as well as 'Speaker' and 'Sponsor'? May 29 18:45:59 ahh next year. May 29 18:46:03 say, what's a PNG? May 29 18:46:17 :-) May 29 18:46:21 * TSCHAKeee chuckles May 29 18:46:29 is that going to be the running joke for the next 6 months? May 29 18:46:31 ;) May 29 18:46:47 why does the letter Q have a tail? May 29 18:47:31 what's a Nubian? May 29 18:47:38 BLACK RAGGE! May 29 18:47:43 +1 to "Villager" tags :D May 29 18:48:03 are you planning on doing anything with the meegoconf photos, that i should change the liscensing? May 29 18:49:20 blauzahl: I have a javascript app, do I need to think about your question? May 29 18:51:57 If we got "Werewolf" ones, and swapped them as appropriate, it could make the games go more easily May 29 18:52:35 villager and 'PNG guy' categories would be good May 29 18:54:53 Stskeeps: I think GAN900 took a picture of "PNG guy". May 29 18:55:19 This guy walked in to my session mid-way, sat down on the front row, and went to sleep. May 29 18:56:09 I was thinking, "Is this some homeless guy or something??" But he had a lanyard so... ?? May 29 18:56:56 gabrbedd: i saw several people related to oss that did in fact look like homeless guys May 29 18:57:13 i suspect the difference is not big May 29 18:57:14 :P May 29 18:58:57 haha... yeah, that too May 29 19:04:47 That would be me! :) May 29 19:05:43 * alterego makes an ubuntu live usb stick May 29 19:05:44 nah, you looked like you showered May 29 19:05:47 Heh May 29 19:05:50 * Stskeeps heads to bed May 29 19:05:55 I do shower every day. May 29 19:06:33 Sometimes twice if I get really smelly. May 29 19:06:41 the MeeGo HoBo Award May 29 19:15:49 Stskeeps, did you find anyone stateside to have your beard shaped? May 29 19:16:11 * lcuk let local barber shape his beard recently, was strange experience the first time May 29 19:16:19 but certainly better than me trying to May 29 19:18:45 there were actually a few party crashers that the hotel recognized May 29 19:19:15 so could be a real hobo or bearded open source guy - can't tell :) May 29 19:21:28 DawnFoster, the badge he was wearing might be a clue May 29 19:21:45 lcuk: at a free conference, anyone can get a badge May 29 19:21:54 the hacker lounge in Dublin was covered by the nice man at the entrance May 29 19:22:10 DawnFoster, sure but takes foresight? May 29 19:22:28 we talked to the hotel and there are people who do this every day May 29 19:22:28 ie, the dublin one I thought it was preregistered only? May 29 19:22:40 oh for sure May 29 19:22:41 both allowed registration at the door May 29 19:22:47 * lcuk watched wedding crashers May 29 19:22:52 exactly! May 29 19:23:01 only easier because it's not family May 29 19:23:24 would people registering on the day have been eligable for ideapads (at dublin) ? May 29 19:23:50 gah I just did it again May 29 19:23:58 reached for the mouse and grabbed n900 instead May 29 19:24:05 * lcuk really should get mouse working May 29 19:24:44 I *think* the ideapads were preregistration only May 29 19:36:53 what do the crashers get, free food? May 29 19:38:27 CosmoHill, coffee, lots of coffee May 29 19:47:03 DawnFoster: the conference in San Francisco was a couple of days ago, yeah? May 29 19:47:56 ended Wednesday May 29 19:48:06 * thiago is still trying to recover from tiredness from it May 29 19:48:17 did they hand out any bling this year? May 29 19:49:09 there was this formidable nut mix that got handed out on monday. I was told May 29 19:49:39 that reminds me, I got given a bag of nuts for my birthday May 29 19:49:46 http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5751457913/in/photostream/ May 29 19:51:45 how was the camera this year? last year the sound was so quiet we had to all crank it up to hear anything May 29 19:52:28 CosmoHill: I believe it was similar on the live streaming May 29 19:52:34 CosmoHill: There were many complaints on IRC May 29 19:53:04 for me it was OKish with the sound, the camera operation also got fixed after they first day May 29 19:53:07 i'd of thought it would have been different people, it being in different cities / countries May 29 19:53:50 it's a totally different experience if you also see the slides May 29 19:54:22 it seems strange though that the video crews don't know that the whole presentation is interesting, not just the presenter May 29 19:54:32 * CosmoHill makes a note not to cover his laptop in stickers May 29 19:55:09 berndhs: *cough* *cough* at least in tampere we made sure that you could see everything :) May 29 19:55:27 even though the viewer numbers were quite low :( May 29 19:55:33 yeah, but why do you even have to tell them ? May 29 19:56:31 alterego: cool hair May 29 20:19:43 CosmoHill: what photo? May 29 20:21:23 that's it, deny everything May 29 20:44:01 alterego: http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5759077586/in/photostream/ May 29 20:49:39 Aweful picture, but thanks :) May 29 20:50:24 I always look cross eyed in photos and I don't know why May 29 20:50:57 best photos are ones that are just taken before the person can react May 29 20:51:21 on a unrelated note, my eye drops really really hurt May 29 20:51:36 Heh May 29 20:52:05 My flight back was really good, I was sitting next to this really nice old american guy May 29 20:52:19 and this really hot girl from the uk May 29 20:52:40 alterego: Did she have better hair than you? May 29 20:52:47 She was astonishingly cool too, despite being paroxide blonde May 29 20:53:17 We spent most of the flight chatting about movies, then she passed out on my shoulder May 29 20:53:17 Peroxide!!! I'm surprised they let her on the plane. :) May 29 20:53:21 :) May 29 20:53:26 alterego: aww May 29 20:53:43 Shame I'll never get to see her again May 29 20:54:06 I'd imagine I'd chat to anyone about anything on a plane just to get away from the fact that I'm on a plane May 29 20:54:29 alterego: can't you stalk her on facebook? May 29 20:54:33 She was a bit scared of flying, May 29 20:54:41 I don't know her full name May 29 20:54:57 I just know she's called Olivia and lives in Chelmsford May 29 20:55:12 alterego: you're shitting me May 29 20:55:32 It's not an amazingly common name May 29 20:55:32 * CosmoHill goes to text someone May 29 20:55:41 wait, how old would you say she was? May 29 20:55:55 How old is your friend? May 29 20:56:06 I'm not even sure it's chelmsford tbh May 29 20:56:13 like I said, deny everything :) May 29 20:56:17 19~20 May 29 20:56:27 No this girl was mid 20 May 29 20:56:40 Was your friend in SF? ;) May 29 20:56:54 my mates girlfriend is Olivia from Chelmsford May 29 20:57:00 Heh May 29 20:57:03 might not be the same one May 29 20:57:10 Probably not, May 29 20:57:41 how do you spell SF? May 29 20:57:52 SF May 29 20:57:54 -.- May 29 20:57:58 San Francisco May 29 20:58:14 thanks May 29 20:58:35 I wouldn't ask tbh, if it is then I don't want to cause a rift May 29 20:59:18 shows you how old it's been since I used this phone, there are two c**ts in my recent contacts page May 29 20:59:51 s/old/long May 29 20:59:54 / May 29 21:00:25 Hahah May 29 21:00:32 Please don't ask May 29 21:00:45 I may or may not have strong feelings for the two people May 29 21:00:45 I'd rather never see her again tbh May 29 21:00:54 Count Dracula! May 29 21:02:42 any decent irc client for meego tablet? May 29 21:03:55 irssi? :) May 29 21:04:04 that's what I was going to suggest May 29 21:04:21 With an external keyboard it's brilliant ;) May 29 21:06:24 if it needs external addons it is not perfect May 29 21:06:28 isn't everthing better with an external keyboard? May 29 21:06:33 Heh May 29 21:06:41 CosmoHill, depends on usage profile May 29 21:06:49 I find typing on tablets painful May 29 21:06:58 I got most of the way through liqbase first version without needing a keyboard of any kind May 29 21:07:04 then needed to ask for a username May 29 21:07:09 alterego: as in it's not good or it's literary painful? May 29 21:07:13 and had to create whole vkb for that one input box May 29 21:07:17 * lcuk frustrated May 29 21:07:25 lcuk: ah May 29 21:07:32 Not good May 29 21:07:38 lcuk: Why did you need username? May 29 21:07:44 Not - say - user photo. May 29 21:07:52 I don't like it that we have to type in our passwords to get books out the library on these big touch screens May 29 21:07:53 SpeedEvil, multiuser graffiti wall May 29 21:08:02 It's strange, because it's much easier typing on a small handheld VKB than a tablet for me. May 29 21:08:10 at some level it needs to be a uid May 29 21:08:18 and usernames are required May 29 21:08:33 lot easier to type in wifi keys too May 29 21:08:35 i had photo select dialogs already and user lists etc May 29 21:08:40 it was just the name that was needed May 29 21:08:50 If only everyone used openid May 29 21:09:21 SpeedEvil, http://liqbase.net/liq.liqbase.multi.sketch.S6003750.JPG May 29 21:09:22 for later May 29 21:09:30 Then I wouldn't need to remember a million passwords and type them in on every device I get May 29 21:10:00 wait, that's three N900s? May 29 21:10:12 alterego: And one RSA failure... May 29 21:10:20 CosmoHill, sure May 29 21:10:25 oc mode May 29 21:10:30 no central wifi router May 29 21:10:32 3 N900s, one laptop, one netbook, one tablet, one desktop May 29 21:10:36 and all connected in any location May 29 21:10:38 works anywhere May 29 21:10:39 that looks cool in the dark May 29 21:10:39 :) May 29 21:11:00 alterego, why do you think I strongly desire ad-hoc mode May 29 21:11:06 Heh May 29 21:11:26 You only have one N900 :P May 29 21:11:28 * CosmoHill spots the username in the top left May 29 21:11:29 It's a shame ad-hoc eats battery. May 29 21:11:32 And two prototypes :P May 29 21:11:40 another usecase: May 29 21:11:41 http://liqbase.net/liq.20090915_212335.liqflow_massive.scr.png May 29 21:11:46 SpeedEvil, yeah May 29 21:12:02 base at the time May 29 21:12:09 lcuk: Now yuou're just being silly. :) May 29 21:12:20 i just entered a couple of general usernames of people in #liqbase at the time May 29 21:12:26 why silly? May 29 21:12:36 the group sketching does that now May 29 21:12:43 just on a single frame basis May 29 21:12:54 ining May 29 21:13:12 g May 29 21:13:34 wtf are my text lines going May 29 21:13:42 * lcuk kicks vnc May 29 21:13:49 Heh May 29 21:13:58 * lcuk reconnects May 29 21:15:16 SpeedEvil, watch this video May 29 21:15:17 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM May 29 21:15:37 lcuk: yeah - I saw it. May 29 21:15:38 using that code, I can automagically position n900 device within a larger grid May 29 21:15:48 with 9 devices then I can make a large tiled image May 29 21:15:55 lcuk: Ah - you were not actually advocating a large grid of n900s. May 29 21:15:56 run liqflow or picture viewer across it May 29 21:16:01 i am May 29 21:16:02 !!! May 29 21:16:04 That was what I was meaning was silly. May 29 21:16:09 lcuk: I remember this, we all tried to guess how it worked May 29 21:16:15 I mean - awesome - but silly. May 29 21:16:25 SpeedEvil, it would make for an awesome show of collaboration at conference or meetup May 29 21:16:28 "working together" May 29 21:16:51 custom photo setup (or weburl..) put all the devices down May 29 21:16:57 "together we get the job done.." May 29 21:17:25 lcuk: yeah - it would. May 29 21:18:31 * lcuk crap at coding though and makes a mess whenever he opens mouth May 29 21:19:51 lcuk: watching one of your videos you say that libase / the n900 is "capable of anything you throw at it" May 29 21:20:09 just then I smelt my laptop burning :/ May 29 21:20:34 that is normal CosmoHill :P May 29 21:20:43 flash does take lots ofcpu May 29 21:21:18 my powerbook does 70C full screen flash and my desktop does 70C with a 350Mhz overlock with all 4 cores maxed out May 29 21:22:06 CosmoHill, eep May 29 21:22:24 I once had a t'bird AMD 1.4ghx thingie May 29 21:22:34 it would not run happily at that speed May 29 21:22:38 so I had to underclock it May 29 21:22:39 I mucked up fitting the processor cooler and I didn't replace the thermal pad it came with with my thermal paste May 29 21:22:48 thunderbirds ran very hot May 29 21:22:55 it wasn't until much later and I passed machine to tracy that I remembered May 29 21:23:05 I had been running at 900mhz or somesuch lower value May 29 21:23:11 and her sims 2 stuff did not run May 29 21:23:16 yeah thiago May 29 21:23:30 Right, bed time for me. May 29 21:23:33 g'night folks May 29 21:23:36 nn alterego \o May 29 21:23:47 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxSqCdT7xPY&feature=related May 29 21:23:51 night alterego May 29 21:24:11 that the THG video CosmoHill ? May 29 21:24:19 with the project X music May 29 21:24:19 THG? May 29 21:24:25 yes May 29 21:24:26 toms hardware guide May 29 21:24:56 ahhh side scroller space shootemups May 29 21:25:04 R Type was awesome too May 29 21:25:13 * lcuk should find something decent similar to play May 29 21:25:16 any ideas ? May 29 21:28:22 just found a video, dude is using a caterham 7 as a workbench.... May 29 21:30:13 anyone know if all the recorded video will be available online? May 29 21:31:56 sofar, next week May 29 21:32:06 andre__: and the slides? May 29 21:32:18 I uploaded mine but I never saw them appear anywhere May 29 21:32:41 ahhh nvm May 29 21:32:44 now I see them May 29 21:36:53 * sofar goes to figure out why the logout buttons don't work in his trunk/xfce-4.8 spin May 29 21:44:14 could anybody find out whether a DDP device could be located which includes pen driven (plus capacitive) screen? May 29 21:58:45 lcuk: best guess, laptops. I seem to remember one. was it a lenovo thinkpad? May 29 22:06:51 * CosmoHill is reading the MS wiki page and it throw abit by the "f**k you, I'm fully vested" quote May 29 22:21:09 dm8tbr, I had a tablet x41, but it only worked for a couple of days in tablet mode May 29 22:21:24 i had bought it used and the cable was a bit ropey May 29 22:21:40 I managed to have ti working long enough to know the ui worked there :) May 29 22:21:52 now I have capacitive ideapad running meego May 29 22:22:16 but miss pen mode May 29 22:23:06 gabrbedd, wrt your thing about right mouse button presses May 29 22:24:07 I tweaked the input from strokes on liqbase, and now single finger movement works nicely, and it also picks up 2 fingers together which would make for a reasonably optimal right mouse button action May 29 23:03:44 lcuk: http://www.dell.com/tablet?s=biz&cs=555 - dual May 29 23:07:38 people get very cranky if you try to rotate them the wrong way May 29 23:09:34 dm8tbr, but i have nowhere near that kind of cash May 29 23:09:37 lcuk: cool. I did something similar. I posted the hot-rodded mtev driver to my c.OBS account. May 29 23:09:58 gabrbedd, what do you mean? May 29 23:10:03 ahh yes May 29 23:10:09 sorry, been sidetracked with the ideapad May 29 23:10:31 lcuk: the mtev driver in my c.OBS has a minor bug. I fixed it before the conference but haven't had time to post it. May 29 23:10:51 4 days of being an extrovert really took all I had. :-) May 29 23:11:01 I enjoy those times :) May 29 23:11:24 I do, too. I'm just now getting recoverd, though. May 29 23:11:25 reminds me of college, the it centre was a hub of activity May 29 23:11:59 A few times I thought... "Maybe I should go ahead and go to bed." Then I thought, "Jeez. How many times in my life will I be able to hang out with these people?" May 29 23:12:23 at dublin and in belgium, I just wandered around the corridor track and took in all the audio :) was lovely for the senses May 29 23:12:52 me and jake did similar in manchester last week May 29 23:14:05 :-) May 29 23:16:03 gabrbedd: this probably reflects badly on me but all I can think of for your statement is "hookers" May 29 23:18:05 CosmoHill: Um, wow... I have no idea where that came from. :-p May 29 23:18:20 "How many times in my life will I be able to hang out with these people?" May 29 23:18:38 (I told you it would reflect badly) May 29 23:18:59 anyway... May 29 23:19:04 night night May 29 23:19:25 Good night! May 29 23:19:33 missed him. :-/ May 29 23:26:56 man, this really is a developer tablet -- it comes with manpages May 29 23:40:26 npm: not for long, 1.3 will be really "bare" when it comes to riff-raff files like man pages and /usr/share/doc stuff May 29 23:47:04 sofar: I was saying that with some amount of joy actually. May 29 23:47:17 as in i can actualy do development on it May 29 23:49:25 sofar: -doc packages? May 29 23:56:07 now all i need to do is figure out why my upgrade to latest 1.2 nuked some gstreamer functionality which is now preventing videos or audio from playing back, (and camera from working) May 29 23:57:21 ^^ in tablet, ( http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/oss/standard/MeeGo:1.2:oss.repo ) May 29 23:59:30 npm: FWIW, there was no tablet release in 1.2. So it's possible that it's repo mix issue. The 1.2 repos are considered "stable" and the tablet UX is still under active development. May 30 00:00:58 the repo has updates to all the apps, qt, etc dated May 26 May 30 00:01:10 and overall, it's a huge improvement and looks better too May 30 00:01:58 however, it suffers the exact same problem as my "meegolem" system (lenovo s10-3t you saw at conference), which happened sometime after may updates to 1.2 May 30 00:02:16 prior to that the camera and media worked on that system but something regressed. May 30 00:02:25 Anybody else pick up a stomach bug? May 30 00:02:48 and the pure tablet system suffered the same fate on upgrading to http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/oss/standard/MeeGo:1.2:oss.repo May 30 00:03:27 GAN900: no, because i couldn't eat most of the food being served, and can drink no alchohol too (or any other grain derivatives, eaten or fermented) May 30 00:04:59 npm, surprisingly gluten-heavy for an event in SF. May 30 00:05:31 which is why i dropped out of the party and went to pay homage to new swank lucasfilm/ILM offices May 30 00:06:13 sjgadsby nicely found the head waiter to request an appropriate dish at the Exploratorium. May 30 00:06:23 Dublin was a lot easier. May 30 00:06:42 i did too, after I got back. DawnFoster also had same meal as I May 30 00:09:46 either "zypper pattern-info meego-core" lies, or the exopc meego tablets we received are noncompliant :-) May 30 00:10:05 * npm shouldn't be looking a gift-compliance in the mouth May 30 00:11:27 for example mesa-libOSMesa isn't installed, nor is linux-firmware May 30 00:11:59 n May 30 00:12:04 wrong window sorry May 30 00:58:30 gabrbedd: yes, anas is splitting all the rpms into -doc(s?) subpackages for core components May 30 00:59:01 npm: no worries, the man pages won't be removed, they're just becoming optional (and I need them too, often enough) May 30 01:00:04 sofar: I'd heard about the split between debug symbols and sources (good idea)... and I think this is a good idea, too. May 30 01:00:37 you'll see image sizes drop drastically soon May 30 01:00:52 we're down from 900mb for a netbook image to something like 560mb or so May 30 01:00:55 and counting :) May 30 01:02:02 sofar: well, simply taking out big buck bunny goes a long way. :-) May 30 01:02:46 sofar: However, that movie was a good demonstration when we were eval'ing meego and showing it to our friends last year. May 30 01:08:28 gabrbedd: sample-media is getting split May 30 01:08:38 you'll only get 1 minute or so of video by default May 30 01:09:15 if you install sample-media-full you'll end up getting more content than 1.2 has (HD for instance) - soon May 30 01:16:25 what is the window manager of meego? May 30 01:19:04 mutter May 30 01:19:13 I believe :D May 30 01:20:29 so it is gnome 3 May 30 01:20:31 huh May 30 01:21:08 no May 30 01:21:48 oh gnome uses mutter, not the other way around, my bad May 30 01:23:10 newbie007: it depends on the UX you're using. Netbook uses mutter, which is a moblin/meego fork of clutter. May 30 01:23:18 GNOME 3 is using clutter, not mutter. May 30 01:23:45 Everything else is using mcompositor for the window manager, although you'll sometimes find matchbox being used (e.g. for IVI) May 30 01:25:26 my bad: looks like the GNOME 3 WM is indeed called "mutter" May 30 01:25:43 gabrbedd: that's not quite right - clutter is a 3d scene graph library - mutter is a fork of GNOME's WM metacity, to make it into a compositor using clutter May 30 01:25:46 however, I've heard that meego's version is quite a bit different. May 30 01:25:59 I think its not the same mutter, they diverged at some point May 30 01:26:10 gabrbedd: the meego netbook UX used it first, and the netbook UX is a plugin to it May 30 01:26:18 and now there is a dispute about which is the real mutter May 30 01:26:28 lol - there is no dispute May 30 01:26:39 they have indeed diverged May 30 01:26:46 but that's because gnome3's mutter moved forward May 30 01:26:53 and the meego netbook one is just an old version May 30 01:27:07 so there's no dispute because one of the groups is right ? May 30 01:27:35 no, there's no dispute because there never was one - mutter was developed by the netbook UX developers working in conjunction with developers from litl May 30 01:27:40 and wasn't used by gnome at the time May 30 01:27:53 that effort basically finished, but mutter was sent upstream to gnome May 30 01:27:59 and gnome3 developers continued the work from there May 30 01:28:02 i saw soem argument about it on soem ML a while back, few weeks ago May 30 01:28:24 * Robot101 shrugs May 30 01:28:35 the folks who wrote mutter consider gnome shell to be a continuation of that work May 30 01:28:49 it looks like it somewhat May 30 01:29:31 berndhs: I think the ML thread had to do with Fedora not being able to maintain BOTH the upstream and meego versions of mutter. May 30 01:29:53 gabrbedd: yes that was the argument May 30 01:30:55 * Stskeeps loathes jelag May 30 01:30:58 jetlag May 30 01:31:04 3:30am and i'm wide awake :P May 30 01:31:10 Stskeeps: fly back May 30 01:31:19 Stskeeps: yup, here too, though it's at least only 2.30 here May 30 01:33:59 Stskeeps: leinir: sorry bro :-( May 30 01:34:28 berndhs: wouldn't mind too much living in SF May 30 01:34:58 its all right, i lived in Fremont for the better part of a year May 30 01:35:29 gabrbedd: ah well, it'll get better, just takes a while :) May 30 01:37:24 well at least i can wake up early and make coffee for my wife ;) May 30 01:38:30 housing cost in SF proper is kinda steep **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 30 02:59:59 2011