**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 01 02:59:56 2011 Jun 01 03:00:59 is anyone here? Jun 01 03:01:16 not really Jun 01 03:02:50 i'm not Jun 01 03:03:10 um, now i am Jun 01 03:03:35 I have an exopc, but it depends on what you mean by "using". Jun 01 03:06:02 how do you go to the home screen Jun 01 03:06:09 seems like I need to make a gesture for that Jun 01 03:06:55 Bisu[Shield]1: press the hardware button at the upper left. Jun 01 03:07:14 (I had to have someone tell me that too - it's totally undiscoverable) Jun 01 03:07:26 Sometimes you have to press it a couple times, or hold it firmly -- it's not very sensitive. Jun 01 03:07:39 lolol Jun 01 03:07:41 really? Jun 01 03:08:10 dunno what people will do if they want to run meego on a tablet that doesn't have that button. Jun 01 03:08:23 It's not even a button... it's the "active lighting sensor" that auto-dims your screen. Jun 01 03:08:35 yea seriously, not intuitive Jun 01 03:08:41 Is it? I thought the lighting sensor was the little hole thing to the right of the button. Jun 01 03:08:57 is there anyway to browse my network? Jun 01 03:08:58 akk: The Tablet UX requires a button. You can't really run it without one. Jun 01 03:09:03 But I've never gotten it to really respond to lighting anyway, so it's hard to tell. Jun 01 03:09:22 akk: I dunno. Little gizmos in the corner all next to each other. Jun 01 03:09:58 Bisu[Shield]1: Browse for wireless access points... yes. Jun 01 03:10:07 Go to Settings and then Connections. Jun 01 03:10:14 I am already on the net Jun 01 03:10:20 I want to browse a network folder Jun 01 03:10:36 a windows SMB one? Jun 01 03:10:39 Bisu[Shield]1: If you can't do it with the web browser... then no. Jun 01 03:12:43 morning Jun 01 03:12:52 iekku: howdy! Jun 01 03:13:41 no its a windows network Jun 01 03:13:43 i just hate the days when i need to take a buss to get work Jun 01 03:13:45 evening Jun 01 03:14:23 iekku: me, too. Jun 01 03:18:27 so where do I find apps such as a pdf viewer? Jun 01 03:19:47 Bisu[Shield]1: The web browser has one built in. Jun 01 03:20:23 ok but where do I find additional apps Jun 01 03:21:06 AppUp has a beta app store manager. Jun 01 03:21:38 Other than that, you'll have to use zypper (the command line package manager) to load extra packages from repo.meego.com Jun 01 03:24:01 Bisu[Shield]1: btw, I think the appup client is in their "developer" section. Jun 01 03:26:02 I saw that chromium was mentioned somewhere, is the default browser cromium? Jun 01 03:27:10 Bisu[Shield]1: AFAIK, it's a meego-tailored "spin" of chromium called meego-app-browser (or something like that) Jun 01 03:32:44 i am guessing that this os is a yr or so from primetime :( Jun 01 03:33:45 Bisu[Shield]1: no, and yes. Jun 01 03:34:01 Bisu[Shield]1: The Netbook UX is ready for prime time. But not great for tablets. Jun 01 03:34:23 Bisu[Shield]1: The Tablet UX wasn't actually released with 1.2. It was dubbed a "pre-alpha developer preview." Jun 01 03:34:42 Bisu[Shield]1: I would expect it to be prime time with the 1.3 release this fall. Jun 01 03:35:23 Bisu[Shield]1: Meanwhile, the WeTab has been prime time since 1.1 Jun 01 03:36:18 but im on exopc right now playing with it and there is not a whole lot i can do Jun 01 03:37:18 Bisu[Shield]1: Correct. You're playing with the "pre-alpha developer preview" of the Tablet UX. Jun 01 03:37:29 It's not ready for end-users. Jun 01 03:38:10 That's why they're being given out -- to get more apps out there sooner. :) Jun 01 03:38:43 if you want to develop apps, its the thing to have Jun 01 04:22:12 hi all Jun 01 04:22:25 sivang: hello! Jun 01 04:22:25 I played with my Exo too much I guess, and it always kernel panics right now. Jun 01 04:22:30 gabrbedd: gabriel! Jun 01 04:22:33 gabrbedd: how's stuff? Jun 01 04:22:50 sivang: allright. slow getting back into the swing. you? Jun 01 04:22:51 * sivang wonder if any ICS people are around Jun 01 04:22:59 gabrbedd: I'm still in Canada, Montreal Jun 01 04:23:07 sivang: What panic are you getting? Jun 01 04:23:22 gabrbedd: something aobut power Jun 01 04:23:32 gabrbedd: and even the USB rescue disk fails to resuce me... Jun 01 04:23:42 wow. Jun 01 04:23:57 did you try to reset the BIOS to default settings? Jun 01 04:23:57 wazd: how's the US so far? Jun 01 04:24:01 I am the mother-of-all errors catcher Jun 01 04:24:11 gabrbedd: ^ Jun 01 04:24:27 Stskeeps: hey :) Jun 01 04:24:45 gabrbedd: how can the USB stick meego image fail as well? is there some kind of hardware switch I can play with? Jun 01 04:24:54 Stskeeps: awesome, but I'm a bit tired of doing nothing :) Jun 01 04:25:00 Stskeeps: you still in america? Jun 01 04:25:14 Stskeeps: I'm in LA right now for 4 days Jun 01 04:25:31 sivang: you never know. I know that this fixes wifi/power issues on the Lenovo Ideapads. Jun 01 04:25:48 gabrbedd: true, true Jun 01 04:25:57 gabrbedd: I tried to find it but failed on the exo Jun 01 04:26:00 wazd: time to try out harassing hollywood stars then ;) Jun 01 04:26:07 Stskeeps: lol Jun 01 04:26:09 Stskeeps: yeah Jun 01 04:26:30 gabrbedd: I'll do that. Jun 01 04:26:48 Stskeeps: I've accidentally booked a room right next to the skid row Jun 01 04:27:24 Stskeeps: so I guess that's more of "survivor" game for me :D Jun 01 04:28:03 gabrbedd: touch bios is PITA Jun 01 04:28:07 :) Jun 01 04:28:57 I'm told you don't need a keyboard... but *I* still needed a keyboard to boot the darn thing to USB. Jun 01 04:29:02 hi, i jz join meego Jun 01 04:29:11 hi tonberry_ Jun 01 04:29:26 sup Jun 01 04:29:32 not much, waking up Jun 01 04:29:53 kernel thread helper 0x6/0x10 Jun 01 04:30:01 on the screwed SSD image Jun 01 04:30:02 Stskeeps: is bug 2953 still valid for N900 DE? Jun 01 04:30:04 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2953 nor, High, ---, jesse.barnes, REOP, Many third-party Apps' window (i.e. glxgears, xterm) is not working in the fullscreen mode Jun 01 04:30:24 Anyone from LA here btw?) Jun 01 04:30:27 gabrbedd: i hope not, then i've failed ;) Jun 01 04:30:30 Stskeeps: so you're back at EU... Jun 01 04:30:34 sivang: yes Jun 01 04:30:59 Stskeeps: well, I don't have an N900 to try out the DE. Do y'all have a pinetrail build? Jun 01 04:31:11 gabrbedd: no, but i think we haven't modded the mcompositor Jun 01 04:31:14 Stskeeps: I was actually able to reduce the cost of the ticket and split myself the 14 hours flight back by stopping in Montreal :) Jun 01 04:32:07 anyway i from Asia :) Jun 01 04:32:09 * Stskeeps is just happy to be over with jetlag Jun 01 04:32:14 * sivang wonders why the meego kernel finds a USB device when none is attached at bootup Jun 01 04:32:26 sivang: probably internally wired Jun 01 04:32:28 tonberry_: so what do you hope to do in meego? Jun 01 04:32:30 Stskeeps: Oh, after 2 weeks in AMerica I'm gonna be crying out for the jet lag to pass :) Jun 01 04:32:31 Stskeeps: but, you're getting decorators, right? Jun 01 04:32:35 gabrbedd: afaik Jun 01 04:32:37 Stskeeps: My assumption, yes Jun 01 04:32:45 Mountain View is great as usual Jun 01 04:32:46 Stskeeps: or have you deprecated them like the Tablet UX. Jun 01 04:32:56 Myrtti: you still there? nice :) Jun 01 04:33:12 sivang: yup, flying back on Fri/Sat Jun 01 04:33:28 been here for two months a year ago, it's rad to be back Jun 01 04:33:37 Myrtti: :) Jun 01 04:33:43 Myrtti: Better than Tampere? Jun 01 04:34:30 public transport is a bit better in Tampere Jun 01 04:34:44 gabrbedd: was something with video mode Jun 01 04:34:52 gabrbedd: restoring to defaults helped, I am able t boot the rscue image Jun 01 04:34:57 gabrbedd: thanks! Jun 01 04:35:10 sivang: sweet! Jun 01 04:35:20 gabrbedd: I am amazed to learn how cheap quality musical instruments are in North America, BTW Jun 01 04:35:34 gabrbedd: not to mention bike stand pumps Jun 01 04:35:46 Free market at work. :P Jun 01 04:35:46 * Myrtti has just bought shoes :-> Jun 01 04:35:52 gabrbedd: :-) Jun 01 04:36:01 GAN900: :) Jun 01 04:36:05 Ha ha... true! Jun 01 04:36:17 oh man, panic again Jun 01 04:36:19 sivang: what, in particular, were you shopping for? Jun 01 04:36:24 I was hapy too soon Jun 01 04:36:27 gabrbedd: harmonica Jun 01 04:36:30 OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG! Jun 01 04:36:34 gabrbedd: :-) Jun 01 04:36:36 * gabrbedd is panicing Jun 01 04:36:44 gabrbedd: already have an A, and a C chromatic Jun 01 04:36:44 Stskeeps, what meego OS needed the most? Jun 01 04:37:22 sivang: I always think of harmonicas as expensive. How much is a blues harp in your home town? Jun 01 04:37:29 tonberry_: innovation and people making products with it ;) Jun 01 04:38:00 gabrbedd, time to sleep :P Jun 01 04:38:06 gabrbedd: a good one, almost twice the price Jun 01 04:38:20 sivang: wow. Jun 01 04:38:29 iekku: did you just punch the clock or something. Jun 01 04:38:32 and the bike pump wen for third the price Jun 01 04:38:40 (I don't think she likes me being here... :-p) Jun 01 04:38:46 do we have ppl to create a new product? Jun 01 04:39:01 tonberry_: i think there's many around but still many difficulties Jun 01 04:39:05 gabrbedd, i'm just used to "morning" "oh, grap, is it so late?" Jun 01 04:39:26 iekku: :-) Jun 01 04:39:30 in terms of hardware or software? or both? Jun 01 04:39:53 iekku: : Jun 01 04:39:54 :) Jun 01 04:39:59 is ther a way to hard reset the exo? Jun 01 04:40:13 tonberry_: by "people making products" think... "manufacturing" Jun 01 04:40:20 gabrbedd: guitars are also third the price Jun 01 04:40:39 my governman likes to make money on my musical talent :) Jun 01 04:40:43 They want royalties Jun 01 04:41:10 tonberry_: Manufacturing a device generally requires a large software + tooling investment... Jun 01 04:41:30 true Jun 01 04:41:46 tonberry_: and the market is very competitive, with people buying high-end devices based on price. Jun 01 04:42:35 tonberry_: i.e. laptops and phones are more like commodities than products... which means lower profit margins. Jun 01 04:42:52 i see Jun 01 04:43:10 tonberry_: Thus, if you're not a Big Guy... it's really hard to compete in the device market. Jun 01 04:43:56 so this community is more into software & programming driven yes? Jun 01 04:44:29 tonberry_: we're into everything we can acheive :) Jun 01 04:44:33 tonberry_: think of it as a businessman's distribution - we make a solid core / platform for others to build on top of Jun 01 04:44:52 tonberry_: and what Stskeeps said :) Jun 01 04:45:29 ok, i got it =) Jun 01 04:45:34 tonberry_: we have expertise in both in this community (more on the software side, tho). Jun 01 04:46:07 tonberry_: What we *don't* have here is a lot of venture capital to develop devices. Jun 01 04:46:26 the panic is preceded by a PME something error Jun 01 04:46:26 also embedded hardware makes the software side difficult - if you want to do as much FOSS as possible Jun 01 04:46:27 bahh Jun 01 04:46:44 tonberry_: So most of us are taking off-the-shelf devices and adapting MeeGo to them -- either as an end-product or for dev. Jun 01 04:47:42 so is that possible porting some existing S^3 phone as well? Jun 01 04:47:50 sivang: is the hardware all snug in their beds? Maybe the disk came loose or something. Jun 01 04:48:25 dm8tbr: i'm working on a thing to make it possible to use softfp gles libs in a hardfp situation, bt Jun 01 04:48:28 w Jun 01 04:48:50 gabrbedd: seems the usb stick itel gave has a large case and it breaks the exo's usb socket :/ Jun 01 04:49:20 Stskeeps: we were speculating about such things yesterday, and what the impact on performance of io expensive libs like SGX could be Jun 01 04:49:26 tonberry_: possible... but like dm8tbr said, some of the application-specific hardware requires drivers that are closed-source or non-existent for linux. Jun 01 04:49:29 (meego tampere meetup) Jun 01 04:49:38 sivang: :-/ Jun 01 04:49:55 dm8tbr: next to none probably Jun 01 04:50:29 * dm8tbr doesn't know enough assembly to assess that Jun 01 04:50:38 tonberry_: For example, I think I've been told that the hardware required to recharge the battery for the N900 is closed-source, proprietary. Jun 01 04:51:26 dm8tbr: so the thing is that hardfp vs softfp's only difference is that float's are passed in floating point regs.. in theory, any func call without float/double in it will work fine Jun 01 04:51:38 ack Jun 01 04:51:44 at least according to the AAPCS Jun 01 04:52:06 dm8tbr: now, gcc actually allows switching call conventions within .c files using __attribute__'s Jun 01 04:52:09 i was referring to the overhead of transmogrifying floats Jun 01 04:52:22 anyone owning S^3 device here? Jun 01 04:52:32 tonberry_: what about them? Jun 01 04:53:07 dm8tbr: so my thought is simply to stub those calls to convert from softfp to hardfp Jun 01 04:53:17 while dirty, it is realistic Jun 01 04:53:17 *nod* Jun 01 04:53:23 * sivang ends up with un-usable Exo Jun 01 04:53:33 what's an S^3 ? Jun 01 04:53:50 dm8tbr: http://pastie.org/2001800 is the symbols the powervr libs use, as an example Jun 01 04:53:53 gabrbedd: a symbian device of the latest nokia generation Jun 01 04:53:55 gabrbedd: symbian 3 Jun 01 04:54:06 gabrbedd: the new Symbian on the N8, C7, E7 etc.. Jun 01 04:54:08 dm8tbr: of these, stuff like atan2, atof, cosf etc are the ones to be stubbed Jun 01 04:54:43 tonberry_, s^3 devices not supperted, as far as i know Jun 01 04:55:18 you can use qt-mobility on them, that's not meego ofc Jun 01 04:55:39 but putting meego on such a thing would most likely fail on so many levels Jun 01 04:55:46 dm8tbr: sounds insane enough to actually work? Jun 01 04:55:59 symbian is almost over, its good to find way to port meego on it as well. Jun 01 04:56:54 tonberry_: if nokia uses high security silicon then you are screwed anyway (if they did it properly) Jun 01 04:57:00 they are Jun 01 04:57:22 I know they have this preference (see n900), but I couldn't confirm for others Jun 01 04:57:23 :( Jun 01 04:58:10 what's high security silicone? Jun 01 04:58:20 gabrbedd: stuff that verifies signatures of bootloaders etc Jun 01 04:58:53 Stskeeps: thanks Jun 01 04:58:58 n8, c7 they have good hardware, but bad OS. :( Jun 01 04:59:43 now X7 joining the dead OS party Jun 01 04:59:47 gabrbedd: like we used in ChipPC to make sure nobody tampered with our debian cut Jun 01 05:00:09 * gabrbedd has done nothing but break things today. :-/ Jun 01 05:00:14 tampered sounds like tampere Jun 01 05:00:23 gabrbedd: I actually wrote the python that burnt the signature in :) Jun 01 05:00:35 iekku: heh Jun 01 05:00:45 sivang: :-) Jun 01 05:00:48 iekku: I saw not long ago a documentary about viruses Jun 01 05:00:56 iekku: F-Prot were starring there Jun 01 05:00:58 sivang: what, not mask programmed? pshhhh ;) Jun 01 05:01:06 sivang, :D Jun 01 05:01:08 dm8tbr: heh Jun 01 05:01:29 dm8tbr: just copied over the bytes result and sealed it Jun 01 05:01:43 *nod* Jun 01 05:02:35 problem everytime the chip changed, I had to change the byte instruction to make it read only, and sometime they forgot to notify me, so we had to redo some ofthem:) Jun 01 05:02:35 So, how do you deal with GPL3 in those systems? Jun 01 05:02:38 anyway Jun 01 05:02:44 gabrbedd: you don't? :-D Jun 01 05:02:50 anyway , night time for me. Jun 01 05:02:53 :-) Jun 01 05:02:54 see you all soon! Jun 01 05:02:58 Good night, sivang! Jun 01 05:03:00 * sivang prays for his Exo Jun 01 05:03:12 gabrbedd: thanks, night gabrbedd Jun 01 05:03:20 see you, sivang =) Jun 01 05:03:46 *sivang's exo goes out and gets drunk Jun 01 05:03:51 tonberry_: there might be a talk by me soon up online about joinion the meego commuity, if you want you can check it ut when it is on Jun 01 05:03:56 gabrbedd: hehe Jun 01 05:04:04 gabrbedd: that's why I like Archos' policy nowadays. you can get an firmware that opens up the device and you can flash your own kernel. :D Jun 01 05:04:18 they used to be total control-freaks though :( Jun 01 05:04:19 dm8tbr: sweet Jun 01 05:04:26 * sivang -> out Jun 01 05:04:28 how could i joining the talk? Jun 01 05:04:28 (we hacked them anyway) Jun 01 05:05:19 dm8tbr: makes sense. I heard HTC is opening up their devices, too. Jun 01 05:06:04 gabrbedd, good night! Jun 01 05:06:08 maybe they saw that Archos is doing it for 3 device generations now and still doing well :) Jun 01 05:06:24 iekku: good night! Jun 01 05:06:35 or they can use it as an excuse to not provide upgrades Jun 01 05:06:35 hmmm, sleeping, hmmmmm Jun 01 05:06:38 "you can do it yourself" Jun 01 05:06:38 :P Jun 01 05:06:57 Stskeeps, i like the diy attitude Jun 01 05:08:49 Stskeeps: their update period is about 1.5 years, real upgrades for about 6-9 months. never changed due to how their engineering works Jun 01 05:09:30 * gabrbedd out Jun 01 05:09:43 would be like expecting maemo6 for n900 when the 'n9' comes out ;) Jun 01 05:16:41 is wetab upgradedt to 1.2 already? Jun 01 05:17:53 nope Jun 01 05:18:13 :( Jun 01 05:18:17 don't expect it to be upgraded in the next 3 months :P Jun 01 05:18:29 :x Jun 01 05:37:41 aw Jun 01 05:37:56 I'm pushing over 200 pictures to the MeeGo Conference Flickr pool... Jun 01 05:40:35 Myrtti, ooh! Jun 01 05:46:16 wow. Jun 01 05:46:25 that almost doubled the amount of pictures in the pool. Jun 01 05:46:44 true, I didn't really do filtering, they're almost all out there now. Jun 01 05:50:31 Myrtti: oh goodie, did you get me in a photograph? Jun 01 05:52:50 sofar: might have, don't really know, I'm just shuffling tags at the moment, haven't really looked at the photos themselves Jun 01 05:53:26 it seems that i haven't been in the conference Jun 01 05:53:30 I haven't found a single photograph in the pool of myself yet, lol Jun 01 05:53:41 I remain anonymous! woohoo! Jun 01 05:53:55 iekku: you have actually been Jun 01 05:54:07 oh Jun 01 05:54:14 I DO have a picture to proof it :-D Jun 01 05:54:50 http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/5759359246/ Jun 01 05:55:17 that one is fairly comparable to daily meego work Jun 01 05:55:39 I fail in English Jun 01 05:55:44 to PROVE Jun 01 05:55:47 Myrtti, oooh! Jun 01 05:55:48 there we go Jun 01 05:56:07 sage always working, iekku wondering about all the software (cookies) and jukka investigating the software (cookies) ;) Jun 01 05:56:11 you can prove your proof Jun 01 05:56:18 but you can't proof your prove Jun 01 05:56:36 Stskeeps, i'm just envy that jukka has cookies and i don't :D Jun 01 05:56:42 hehe Jun 01 05:56:44 I *do* have several pictures of reggie! Jun 01 05:57:41 and a heap of pictures that I've taken since and during the conference that don't really relate to the actual conference: http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/5766194114 (from Chinatown) and http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/5759230640/ (from the 17th floor of Hyatt) Jun 01 06:01:11 Myrtti, Stskeeps :D Jun 01 06:12:20 nice photo, Myrtti Jun 01 06:16:44 sheer luck Jun 01 06:17:54 for the 17th floor picture; I was getting some ice with my jammies on and had to SMS BF to bring my camera before the light goes away :-D Jun 01 06:21:46 Hello. I'm looking for some help compiling my app for Meego Jun 01 06:22:25 Is there any way to differentiate Meego from other Linux OSes in my qmake pro file? Jun 01 06:22:53 The mkspecs seems to be "linux-g++" which is too generic. Jun 01 07:37:28 hi, I'm trying to use qtcreator to work on a qml app that uses both meego-ux-components (qml), meego-ux-media (Qt/C+ lib and qml) and meegolabs-ux-components. If I step into a qml element that is in (eg) meego-ux-components, it steps into the installed file in /usr/lib/qt4/imports. Is there a way I can make it step into the qml in my local git repo, so I don't have to do a 'sudo make install'? What is the 'recommended' way to do this kind of debugging (with q Jun 01 08:01:14 ok, try this one then : my app is complaining about a missing 'document_thumb_med' file. in an 'old' chroot, I see it deep in /usr/share/themes/, but in the chroot I'm now working in, it's not there. 'dpkg -qf' in the old chroot says it didn't come from any package...I've tried to 'find' it in all the git clones I have, but nothing there :/ Where did the file come from? Jun 01 08:57:31 morning Jun 01 08:57:37 morning Jun 01 09:38:49 <_|Nix|_> Hi! Can somebody please give me access to build.meego.com? Jun 01 09:39:29 <_|Nix|_> I was supposed to have access (since https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17555 is fixed), but I can't find any username that resembles my real name ... Jun 01 09:39:32 Bug 17555 nor, Undecided, ---, peter.j.zhu, RESO FIXED, May I please have access to build.meego.com Jun 01 09:39:48 <_|Nix|_> So, I'm not sure if I ever did get that access ... Jun 01 09:40:07 <_|Nix|_> However, I need it now, because I'd like to package the syncevolution qt D-Bus bindings. Jun 01 09:40:16 is your username gschulho? Jun 01 09:40:32 <_|Nix|_> Stskeeps: I can try that ... Jun 01 09:40:52 <_|Nix|_> Stskeeps: But christophed tried to add that username to a project, and it said invalid ... Jun 01 09:41:34 _|Nix|_: you need to log in first Jun 01 09:41:51 <_|Nix|_> Stskeeps: Log in to what? build.meego.com? Jun 01 09:42:02 yes Jun 01 09:42:18 <_|Nix|_> I know, but I can't remember my username or password. Jun 01 09:42:38 ah :P Jun 01 09:42:43 <_|Nix|_> However, christophed has logged in, and he owns a project there, to which he tried to add me. Jun 01 09:42:44 didn't you get a mail? Jun 01 09:43:11 <_|Nix|_> He failed, because he couldn't find anyone by the name of gschulho, schulhof, gabriels, etc. Jun 01 09:43:20 <_|Nix|_> Stskeeps: I can't find it. Outlook sucks! Jun 01 09:43:36 spam folder? ;) Jun 01 09:43:46 <_|Nix|_> I'm not actually sure I ever got it. Jun 01 09:44:08 <_|Nix|_> No, unfortunately :( Jun 01 09:44:17 Hmm someone needs to kick some processes on core obs. It is all red :) Jun 01 09:45:08 <_|Nix|_> *sigh* ... does anyone have the kind of access to build.meego.com that'll allow them to check if I'm there, and if not, to create an account for me? Jun 01 09:45:19 not me Jun 01 09:46:06 _|Nix|_: ping Anas? Jun 01 09:46:47 peter's probably better Jun 01 09:46:50 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Not in the chan ... is there an email address? Jun 01 09:46:56 he handles accounts these days Jun 01 09:46:56 <_|Nix|_> ... for either of them? Jun 01 09:47:06 mouseover on the bug report emails Jun 01 09:47:07 / usernames Jun 01 09:47:54 Or reopen the bug perhaps. Jun 01 09:49:18 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: The problem is, I don't remember if I had access, and I forgot my password, or if I've never had access to begin with. And if the latter, why did Peter mark the bug as fixed? Jun 01 09:49:56 _|Nix|_: Who knows? That is why asking would help, but don't look at me :D Jun 01 09:51:12 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: The problem is, this is the only real-time place where I can ask, and nobody here has the access to answer. So, I guess, I'll have to wait for something to happen with the new bug that I filed, which is https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18400 ... Jun 01 09:51:15 Bug 18400 nor, Undecided, ---, tracy.graydon, NEW, Need a password reminder Jun 01 09:52:07 _|Nix|_: There is nothing I can about that. There is strict separation between core and community obs instances. Jun 01 09:52:39 Different guys and I think nobody is awake in our timezone. Jun 01 09:53:15 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Right, right. I understand ... I sent an email to Peter and I got an out-of-office reply, and I don't know Anas' email address. Is it anas.nashif@intel.com? Jun 01 09:53:41 _|Nix|_: lastname at linux.intel.com Jun 01 09:54:41 <_|Nix|_> "lastname" from the email address I wrote above? Jun 01 09:55:06 <_|Nix|_> ... but I'm assuming he's also States-side, eh? Jun 01 09:55:41 it varies Jun 01 09:56:00 _|Nix|_: Yes, that lastname. Jun 01 09:59:04 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Alright. I emailed him as well ... Jun 01 09:59:18 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Thanks for your help! Jun 01 10:00:24 _|Nix|_: No problem. Jun 01 10:29:11 psdfpdslf Jun 01 10:29:45 ok? Jun 01 10:30:18 what does that do "meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img" ? Jun 01 10:30:21 600mb file Jun 01 10:30:34 got it free in dvd Jun 01 10:30:34 it's a bootable image for netbook with chromium Jun 01 10:30:44 776MB Jun 01 10:30:57 google chromium ? Jun 01 10:31:00 yeah Jun 01 10:31:44 i want to install it in old pentium 3 650MHz 392MB RAM pc Jun 01 10:31:47 , Jun 01 10:31:51 not netbook Jun 01 10:32:11 not possible, pentium 3 doesn't have SSSE3 Jun 01 10:32:11 dCDu: Does it have an Intel-CPU? Jun 01 10:32:17 how to install it in ARM phone ? Jun 01 10:32:25 what is ssssee33 ? Jun 01 10:32:37 dCDu: Google is your best friend. Jun 01 10:32:38 ;) Jun 01 10:32:56 Search first & ask later. ;) Jun 01 10:33:26 i can search for instructions Jun 01 10:33:31 Conversation is important too and if you know the answer to a simple question then say it :P Jun 01 10:33:50 but i only want to know if there is a single .exe file that will directly install it on phone without brain Jun 01 10:33:58 nop Jun 01 10:34:03 then its trash Jun 01 10:34:11 dCDu, you need to have arm image instead of the ia Jun 01 10:34:11 it will be as difficult as dos linux ? Jun 01 10:34:40 dCDu: ARM phones are traditionally not very like PCs :) Jun 01 10:35:02 and i think currently there's onlu n900 where you can install meego Jun 01 10:35:09 as speaking of the phones Jun 01 10:35:25 Stskeeps, wrong... Jun 01 10:35:27 https://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-netbook/windows-instructions Jun 01 10:35:37 dCDu, windows netbook installation instructions Jun 01 10:35:40 with nice simple gui Jun 01 10:35:52 for making the usb stick image at least :) Jun 01 10:36:34 lcuk2, are you talking about same thing with Stskeeps? Jun 01 10:36:46 the windows .exe download includes a comfort blanket and stuff Jun 01 10:37:58 perhaps not, but there is certainly easy instructions for making netbook images on windows Jun 01 10:38:07 whether the image runs on your device is another matter Jun 01 10:38:44 why no luck with ur nick Jun 01 10:39:04 no luck running megoo in phone too? Jun 01 10:39:13 eego. Jun 01 10:40:06 dCDu, I have meego n900-de on my phone now Jun 01 10:40:15 from linux it is just a few instructions Jun 01 10:41:26 linux is 10000 instructions Jun 01 10:41:28 download image, extract from .gz, dd image to MicroSD, flasher the kernel, wait a bit, look around and try to fill with data Jun 01 10:41:30 whatever Jun 01 10:41:48 nokia N900 original expensive phone or cheap chinese clone ? Jun 01 10:42:09 is there a cheap chinese clone? Jun 01 10:42:32 yes Jun 01 10:42:38 also samsung is half chinese Jun 01 10:43:28 what is difference between N900 ARM and other phones ? Jun 01 10:43:32 why only N900 . Jun 01 10:43:47 i got many others with 600MHz ARM Jun 01 10:43:59 and 128 RAM Jun 01 10:44:31 what is meaning of ' developer edition phone ;' Jun 01 10:44:46 for me specifically, it is combination of things - do the other phones have hires screen, hardware keyboard, resistive (hiresolution) touchscreen, open firmware, decent battery life, great community? Jun 01 10:45:01 resistive ?? Jun 01 10:45:18 what ?? Jun 01 10:45:23 u nokia employee ?? Jun 01 10:45:46 nokia got more open firmware than android WM >>.//./? Jun 01 10:46:34 and nokia asks for 'security certificate' even for small java jar games Jun 01 10:46:35 dCDu, morning lardman \o Jun 01 10:46:41 * dCDu slaps lcuk around a bit with a large trout Jun 01 10:46:42 what Jun 01 10:46:42 morning lcuk Jun 01 10:46:52 lardman is a nick Jun 01 10:47:20 I was wondering what dCDu meant :) Jun 01 10:47:27 dCDu, does MeeGo suppose java jar games? Jun 01 10:47:38 me too, apologies did not clear the line first Jun 01 10:47:46 * lcuk stops typing actually Jun 01 10:48:30 dont know Jun 01 10:48:51 chinese ARM phones need to pay meego to get accepted by it like N900 ? Jun 01 10:48:57 and all phones Jun 01 10:49:02 no Jun 01 10:49:14 dCDu: do you know what you're talking about ? Jun 01 10:49:17 then why only that 600MHz 3 yr old trash N900 Jun 01 10:49:55 dCDu, specific feature compatible replacements? Jun 01 10:50:06 dCDu: because it has been ported for that hardware and other vendors did not port for their hardware Jun 01 10:50:11 what other devices are able to do everything the n900 does Jun 01 10:50:20 meego will refuse even samsung galaxy 1.2GHz dual core / Jun 01 10:50:27 sgs II Jun 01 10:51:23 why will it refuse? Jun 01 10:51:30 u said Jun 01 10:51:32 dCDu: meego doesn't "refuse", it's just that it hasn't been ported Jun 01 10:51:46 " and i think currently there's onlu n900 where you can install meego" Jun 01 10:51:54 and without any help from Samsung, it might be difficult to port it Jun 01 10:52:18 so samsung needs to pay meego. Jun 01 10:52:31 no Jun 01 10:52:38 dCDu: meego is free Jun 01 10:52:41 they could simply give hardware closed specifications Jun 01 10:52:42 no, they, or someone who has an interest in samsung devices needs to put in time to get it to work Jun 01 10:52:50 or provide drivers Jun 01 10:52:53 that's all Jun 01 10:53:20 what is all that Jun 01 10:53:22 . Jun 01 10:54:29 just replace their ROM by meego ROM Jun 01 10:54:33 usb cable Jun 01 10:54:36 no? Jun 01 10:54:43 life isn't that easy Jun 01 10:54:50 but Meego ROM should be adapted to it Jun 01 10:55:07 life is not a pony ranch, and device adaptations don't grow on trees Jun 01 10:55:10 when you have android ROMs, they are adapted to the hardware they target Jun 01 10:55:20 " When you install MeeGo OS, all programs and any other content that exists on the computer you are installing onto will be permanently deleted. " Jun 01 10:55:26 that is bad Jun 01 10:55:31 it's not like an android build will work everywhere Jun 01 10:55:33 same for Meego Jun 01 10:56:03 dCDu: same with every operationg system Jun 01 10:56:05 dm8tbr: but i want a pony Jun 01 10:56:12 but i once did dual boot WM 6.1 + Android Jun 01 10:56:19 w00t: tough luck, no pony ;) Jun 01 10:56:30 dCDu, I dualboot maemo and meego Jun 01 10:56:36 w00t, no pony for you Jun 01 10:56:39 also ran dosemulator dos games and PS emu and windows 98 and snes gba Jun 01 10:57:15 zX>,c Jun 01 10:57:28 dCDu: all of those on every single ARM phone ? Jun 01 10:57:30 jolly hockey sticks! Jun 01 10:58:21 u mean gsm circuit/camera/screen/speaker/wifi/3G/card slot/ of diffrernt comapnies are all different in different phones ? Jun 01 10:58:34 ? Jun 01 10:58:34 yes Jun 01 10:58:38 " dCDu: all of those on every single ARM phone ?' Jun 01 10:58:39 yes .. Jun 01 10:59:20 store many 500MB .iso PS roms and run smooth in the playstation emulator for WM Jun 01 10:59:21 couple of /. stories are a bit meh inducing Jun 01 11:00:05 i used bart PE builder, trimmed windows 98 and started it with dosemulator-for-pocketPC Jun 01 11:00:07 ok, congrats Jun 01 11:00:21 but not tinyXP Jun 01 11:00:55 meego is better than windowsXP ? Jun 01 11:01:34 i have the .img file 776 MB but no .vhd virtual hard disk file for MS virtual pc Jun 01 11:01:48 .vhds Jun 01 11:01:53 then make one and contribute it back to the meego project Jun 01 11:02:43 if you care about using this stuff from windows and know how it can be done: please offer it back and play a part in making meego easier for the next person Jun 01 11:03:13 +1 for lcuk Jun 01 11:04:05 i wont even try it now Jun 01 11:04:30 it says "When you install MeeGo OS, all programs and any other content that exists on the computer you are installing onto will be permanently deleted." Jun 01 11:04:53 it will badly delete and destroy everything in HDD because it wants to see only meego no windows Jun 01 11:04:53 Sp? Jun 01 11:04:56 / Jun 01 11:05:01 dCDu: No. Jun 01 11:05:01 dCDu, same for anything, but if you have a USB stick, you can live boot without installing Jun 01 11:05:13 but you are talking about doing it inside a virtual machine Jun 01 11:05:16 so,.. Jun 01 11:05:25 dCDu: It does that because nobody has written a bootloader and an installer to do windows and meego dualboot. Jun 01 11:05:27 has anyone had any luck modifying the GTK+ style on Netbook UX, to increase the width of the scrollbars ? Jun 01 11:07:01 bootloader ? Jun 01 11:07:23 manually write in boot.ini in notepad Jun 01 11:07:29 Umm - no. Jun 01 11:07:50 multi(1)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft meego Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect Jun 01 11:07:55 If you want a meego installer that can leave windows there, it needs to resize the windows installation. Jun 01 11:08:03 instead of WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional Jun 01 11:08:05 over Jun 01 11:08:19 ok Jun 01 11:08:41 but win 7 is good for pc Jun 01 11:08:45 meego in phone . Jun 01 11:09:09 dCDu, so you have tried to use meego? Jun 01 11:09:24 Meego is designed for running on many different platforms eventually. Jun 01 11:10:12 virtual machine Jun 01 11:10:46 Hang on - you're comlaining that installing meego will wipe out a VM? Jun 01 11:10:47 ... Jun 01 11:11:04 why is it free. Jun 01 11:11:28 yes like recovery disks they wipe everything Jun 01 11:11:39 but i can use another HDD Jun 01 11:12:16 write to a cd or usb ?. Jun 01 11:12:26 can meego run .exe files ? Jun 01 11:12:34 it's not windows Jun 01 11:12:36 mirc.exe Jun 01 11:12:46 not you're just trolling Jun 01 11:12:52 s/not/now/ Jun 01 11:12:54 timoph meant: now you're just trolling Jun 01 11:12:57 not Jun 01 11:13:07 not Jun 01 11:13:58 you can use for example xchat as irc client Jun 01 11:14:06 In principle, wine can run on windows. Jun 01 11:14:07 err Jun 01 11:14:09 meego Jun 01 11:14:12 :) Jun 01 11:14:16 (on x86) Jun 01 11:14:25 dCDu: are you trolling? Jun 01 11:14:27 what is "Maddog ate my homework at LinuxFest NW Jun 01 11:14:36 porting wine to windows would an interesting project :) Jun 01 11:14:47 timoph: I vaguely recall it exists. Jun 01 11:14:51 meego is owned by linux company ?? Jun 01 11:14:56 timoph: That may have been a dream though. Jun 01 11:15:16 linux foundation owns the trademark Jun 01 11:15:26 eW Jun 01 11:15:41 https://meego.com/about Jun 01 11:15:48 the meego logo looked like android logo Jun 01 11:16:00 not like linux Jun 01 11:16:00 not really Jun 01 11:16:06 whatevr Jun 01 11:16:50 hmm, looks like someone turned off the office switch again Jun 01 11:17:32 oh my Jun 01 11:17:52 I guess we've seen the Acer Iconia M500 stuff? Jun 01 11:18:03 lardman, yeah Jun 01 11:18:22 looks nice, though I have seen active content widgets somewhere else Jun 01 11:18:40 active-x? Jun 01 11:18:56 *shudder* Jun 01 11:18:59 no, widgets in a grid having live content Jun 01 11:19:15 http://cdn.ubergizmo.com/photos/2009/3/samsung-omnia-hd-android.jpg http://cdn0.afterdawn.fi/v3/news/meego-handset-day1.png Jun 01 11:19:20 active-x as a principle is nice Jun 01 11:19:27 lcuk: yeah Jun 01 11:19:28 tablets are trash Jun 01 11:19:32 lcuk: It's just ... Jun 01 11:19:49 tablets are like laptops made for poor Jun 01 11:19:58 Seems like people advertising at Computex don't agree dCDu Jun 01 11:20:06 better buy 5" screen phone Jun 01 11:20:13 dCDu: please behave or leave Jun 01 11:20:44 dCDu, markets are different Jun 01 11:20:57 holding up a 10" tablet to make a phone call is not done Jun 01 11:21:15 and using a small handset as a lapboard is also not optimal Jun 01 11:21:24 (though using small handset as a writing pad is ok Jun 01 11:21:33 BT-keyboard Jun 01 11:21:44 lardman, last night I ported something from classic liqbase :) Jun 01 11:21:45 also the pen size BT-infrared virtual kbd Jun 01 11:21:46 7" is too big for a phone but a nice size for viewing Jun 01 11:21:47 you can write with a keyboard? awesome Jun 01 11:21:51 dCDu, not always preferable Jun 01 11:22:00 MohammadAG, handtyping ;) Jun 01 11:22:05 ask anidel about that one Jun 01 11:22:06 chinese projector phone with 61" screen 10 lumens Jun 01 11:22:12 Virtual keyboards are shit. Jun 01 11:22:21 only $70 Jun 01 11:22:24 lcuk, is there a font for that? Jun 01 11:22:31 dCDu: You do realise you're barely going to be able to see that in a pitch black room? Jun 01 11:22:35 MohammadAG, :) sketchfonts Jun 01 11:22:43 I like typing in my own handwriting. Jun 01 11:22:51 You went from complaining about an OS to hardware to price Jun 01 11:23:05 tablets also use virtual kbd that too on screen occupying it Jun 01 11:23:30 that is a disadvantage if you need to input lots of text, yes Jun 01 11:23:33 MohammadAG, it seems that n900 is too expencive but tablets are for poors... Jun 01 11:23:36 so if u want to play games on it u play on 5" and 5" used by virtual joystick n kbd Jun 01 11:23:43 ? Jun 01 11:23:45 MohammadAG, as a summary :D Jun 01 11:23:46 watver Jun 01 11:24:07 iekku, hehe Jun 01 11:24:31 games are not of much appeal Jun 01 11:24:56 then buy ebook reader black n white Jun 01 11:24:56 to me, not sure about the tablet buying general public Jun 01 11:25:09 if I want to play games I use my quad core monster PC Jun 01 11:25:16 dCDu, is there any reason you're here? Jun 01 11:25:22 aOSKD Jun 01 11:25:29 what does that mean? Jun 01 11:25:35 You don't like expensive stuff, you don't like the fact linux is free... Jun 01 11:25:41 HP dreamscreen 22" tablet Jun 01 11:25:52 dkposoadspsaopkkopsad Jun 01 11:25:54 sorry Jun 01 11:26:12 :) Jun 01 11:26:15 :) Jun 01 11:26:48 thanks Stskeeps :) Jun 01 11:27:18 too much sugar Jun 01 11:27:44 lardman, you mean MeeGo is not a game? Jun 01 11:28:07 Stskeeps is a level 70 mage :P Jun 01 11:28:09 well one could comment on the level of seriousness Jun 01 11:28:54 lardman, it is very easy to consider community participation in meego as a MMORPG Jun 01 11:29:11 not really, as coding is actually useful Jun 01 11:29:26 meego's an excuse to play werewolf Jun 01 11:29:27 ;) Jun 01 11:29:53 the caverns of mBarcodia are a 3 man mission Jun 01 11:30:40 some of the people do look like WoW avatars Jun 01 11:31:40 lcuk: I quite happily play games as a distraction, though I prefer FPS, but coding I only do if it will be of use to me Jun 01 11:33:15 lcuk: and if you don't have enough confidence points you get eaten by the compliance-grue Jun 01 11:33:36 or because I think it will be cool, which I suppose it edging towards a game in some sense Jun 01 11:35:04 what game u talkin of and in which os - . Jun 01 11:36:06 I was expecting s/which/what in that comment, to go along with the u and lack of a g :) Jun 01 12:20:33 hi there. meego fails install in parallels desktop (after boot: sorry no PAE, you are out). is there any non-pae kernel for e.g. parallels or eee701 or similar ? Jun 01 12:21:42 mwichmann: ping Jun 01 12:26:23 pong Jun 01 12:26:46 hi there. meego fails install in parallels desktop (after boot: sorry no PAE, you are out). is there any non-pae kernel for e.g. parallels or eee701 or similar ? Jun 01 12:27:05 mwichmann: i'm reading lsb-discuss and pondering if you think it looks like a consensus on LSB ARM being 'armv7hl', from your experience in that field? Jun 01 12:27:33 probably Jun 01 12:28:07 ... it's a place where decisions don't tend to happen really fast :( Jun 01 12:28:24 :nod: Jun 01 12:28:43 (often for good reason; sometimes frustrating) Jun 01 13:18:45 MohammadAG, ping Jun 01 13:18:58 the maemo community media player, how usable would it be in meego n900-de? Jun 01 13:23:43 hi there. meego fails install in parallels desktop (after boot: sorry no PAE, you are out). is there any non-pae kernel for e.g. parallels or eee701 or similar ? Jun 01 13:26:45 ripclaw: you might be able to set PAE in the system settings for the VM under Parallels Jun 01 13:27:22 Note that MeeGo Netbook needs an accelerated Intel graphics chip, like the GMA950 (945GME) Jun 01 13:44:42 Where are the conference session videos being uploaded? Jun 01 13:44:52 on the sessions usually Jun 01 13:45:08 So sf2011.meego.com ? Jun 01 13:45:22 Ah, found it :) Jun 01 13:46:35 slaine: i think the pae doesnt work here... tried that out, same outcome. isnt it possible to use any old X11 driver ? Jun 01 13:46:52 nope Jun 01 13:47:04 Check the wiki for VirtualBox how to Jun 01 13:47:52 I'm not sure of that wiki entry us up to date though Jun 01 13:48:46 Screenshot tool for the handset and tablet uxes: Jun 01 13:48:47 http://pastebin.com/0JZF9EDc Jun 01 13:49:15 thanks to the guys in #meego-arm for making it a single command line :) Jun 01 13:49:27 slaine: no pae emulation over here. checked it. if the cpu cant do it... parallels cant do it. Jun 01 13:50:12 slaine: is there any docs on compiling it myself ? what should i do if i like to be distributing a 1.2 release for non-pae, non-intel grafix ? Jun 01 13:50:50 You'd have to look at doing a hardware adaptation project Jun 01 13:51:05 We talked about doing one a while back but everyones been too busy Jun 01 13:51:28 basically compiling for generic-x86 rather than Atom Jun 01 13:51:39 slaine: where do i find the relevant docs ? i have a bit of experience from rocklinux a while back. i was sparc port maint. Jun 01 13:51:40 And including xorg drivers for other devices Jun 01 13:51:51 wiki is the source of all docs Jun 01 13:52:15 slaine: that's easy. - toolchain ? preferred cross-compile system (e.g. suse, redhat, solaris, haiku) Jun 01 13:52:29 * slaine shrugs Jun 01 13:52:39 is there a make crossbuild or something ? how does the build work ? Jun 01 13:52:54 Do you want me to do it for you ? Jun 01 13:53:01 i guess then, i'll find it all in git ? Jun 01 13:53:20 Perhaps start with the wiki like I suggested Jun 01 13:53:21 nope. but if you had any of the answers, it would be quicker :) Jun 01 13:54:03 np. where to go to with the finished release - put it up on sf.net or come back to $maintainer ? who would that be ? Jun 01 13:54:19 i'm preparing for a 4 day weekend over here ^^ Jun 01 13:54:52 ripclaw: you in .IE Jun 01 13:55:03 i guess i'll git-pull and put that up to sf after it... Jun 01 13:55:31 slaine: not in erin, i'm in .DE - but we have a sibin here ^^ Jun 01 13:55:44 ripclaw: we have a long weekend too Jun 01 13:56:28 slaine: cool. what county ? i'm in darmstadt, south of frankfurt. Jun 01 13:56:33 IE Jun 01 13:56:47 county, without the r... :) Jun 01 13:57:15 Dublin, MeeGo uses OBS, there's a community OBS server that you can get access to and make a start Jun 01 13:57:19 i understand that IE does mean geography of ireland without northern... Jun 01 13:57:26 nod Jun 01 13:58:39 cool. i guess OBS includes some kind of regression test build ? where to go for accounts ? Jun 01 13:59:23 dublin is a fine city - my brother was there a few times. from what i can see or hear from his travels, it's probably the most pub-scene rich place in the world ^^ Jun 01 14:00:03 we have 5 pubs nearby, one irish, one english wannabe irish, one scottisch and two wannabe. guess who serves beamish... Jun 01 14:33:44 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6163683/cycles-in-family-tree-software <-- ROFL Jun 01 14:37:21 TSCHAKeee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYlJH81dSiw Jun 01 14:37:56 gabrbedd: eeeeeeeeeexactly. Jun 01 14:39:17 TSCHAKeee: the fun thing about that song is that it's all legal/legit... unlike the stackoverflow post. :-) Jun 01 14:39:32 mhm hehehh Jun 01 14:41:54 It is possible legally to have children with people you usually can't. Jun 01 14:42:16 legally yes, socially no Jun 01 14:42:19 In many countries, anonymous sperm donation has/is common. Jun 01 14:42:34 And statistically - this leads to rare issues. Jun 01 14:43:01 bit offtopic, maybe? Jun 01 14:43:05 Oops Jun 01 14:43:10 I thought this was another channel Jun 01 14:43:21 trying to install SDK Jun 01 14:43:23 delac: buzzkill. Jun 01 14:43:25 Where people usually post links like that. Jun 01 14:43:27 :P Jun 01 14:43:48 getting error : Error during installation (com.meego.sdk.pm) Jun 01 14:44:24 Execution failed: unexpected error code 127 Jun 01 14:44:36 what might cause that? Jun 01 14:45:25 relates somehow to file ~/.config/meego.com/sdk/pm/config_repo Jun 01 14:48:48 hello Jun 01 14:49:22 I'm trying to get IVI 1.2 running on an AMD fusion board Jun 01 14:50:38 I know this isn't a supported setup, but can anyone suggest the best troubleshooting path? Jun 01 14:51:31 aindfan: you have to recompile all the packages for your CPU. Jun 01 14:51:47 Have fun :D Jun 01 14:52:02 haha thanks Jun 01 14:52:04 aindfan: troubleshoting what? what is the problem? :) Jun 01 14:52:06 aindfan: And you have to sort out any graphics card issues. Jun 01 14:52:51 I've been trying to figure out how to set up the build environment from scratch but I haven't understood how from the documentation Jun 01 14:53:15 aindfan: If you're serious about it... probably the easist way would be to set up your own OBS server. Jun 01 14:53:45 andre__: I can see your sanity unwinding on meego-qa :-) Jun 01 14:54:05 aindfan: But if you really want to do them all by hand, you'll need to set up a chroot environment. Then configure RPM to correctly build for your arch. Jun 01 14:54:57 aindfan: Setting up a chroot is more or less the same on any linux distro. I've done it in debian as well as meego. Jun 01 14:55:20 wonder if amd won't have people already working on that Jun 01 14:55:34 aindfan: if your build machine/server is a Core2 or newer you'll save yourself a lot of trouble. Jun 01 14:55:35 ssse3 processors are coming from amd Jun 01 14:55:49 not that it could make a difference unless you work at amd or for one big customer of them Jun 01 14:56:10 Jaffa: I can see myself fighting a battle that I will not win. Jun 01 14:56:26 Jaffa, plus being seen even more as a pedantic trouble-maker. ;-) Jun 01 14:56:29 andre__: you must kill outlook! Jun 01 14:56:43 and modest Jun 01 14:57:24 otherwise the text install successfully boots but I got stuck with graphics drivers (ati's driver failed, vesa got me to an x cursor but no further) Jun 01 14:57:42 Stskeeps: Modest is fine with the CSSU (and patches which've been otherwise languishing in Bugzilla for years) :-p Jun 01 14:58:00 Jaffa: modest crashes randomly for me after cssu :( Jun 01 14:58:23 Stskeeps: Sounds like you're the kind of man to help Sc0rpius debug the gdb logs and memory allocation. Jun 01 14:58:46 Jaffa: can't i just enjoy being a regular consumer for once? :( Jun 01 14:59:23 Stskeeps: /me mutters something about testing covenants ;-) Jun 01 14:59:24 Stskeeps, sure, just get a second identity? Jun 01 14:59:40 andre__: you mean third, abill_uk's my second ;p Jun 01 14:59:47 Stskeeps: Knew it! :-p Jun 01 14:59:50 argh. I knew it!!! Jun 01 15:00:14 * Jaffa isn't sure he saw Stskeeps and THAT Guy in the same room at the same time. Maybe the DE talk, but you were both over on the far right... Jun 01 15:00:27 PNG guy? Jun 01 15:00:32 i was never in same room, i think Jun 01 15:00:59 has anyone managed to get SDK 1.2 to work on Meego 1.2 netbook? Jun 01 15:01:12 so as for chroot... can I install ubuntu or fedora on the amd box and build from there? Jun 01 15:01:57 aindfan: if you can boot and only have trouble with the graphics, then the previous advice of building everything may not be accurate Jun 01 15:03:13 Stskeeps: THAT guy was everywhere! Jun 01 15:03:28 oh ok Jun 01 15:04:21 aindfan: maybe I will try a couple of live cds from recent distros, and see if the graphics work Jun 01 15:04:29 network didn't come up either, but I figured I'd attack that once X started working Jun 01 15:04:33 s/will/would Jun 01 15:05:03 then see how that other distro does it and find out what is missing in meego Jun 01 15:05:20 I had no trouble with an ubuntu install, I can try going to that Jun 01 15:06:16 I've also been trying to build the ati driver but haven't chased down all of the dependencies yet Jun 01 15:08:43 unfortunately my most recent package install (vesa or fbdev?) resulted in an inability to switch to the shell in tty1 Jun 01 15:10:06 anyways, thanks for everyone's help, I'll keep trying the graphics driver approach and ask again here if I decide to build from scratch Jun 01 15:13:02 Stskeeps: I'm pretty sure he was in the DE talk when you were on stage, as we were trying to think what questions he might ask. But then didn't. Jun 01 15:13:34 I swear he was in almost every session I was in Jun 01 15:18:50 anyone? trying to install SDK 1.2. Error: Unexpected exit code: 127. Any thoughts? Jun 01 15:40:30 does the SDK installer have some prerequisites or something before it works? Jun 01 15:42:33 the only problem w/ running xbmc on the exopc meego 1.2 tablet is that it triggers the automatic shutdown bug after a while (overheating?) Jun 01 15:44:10 * npm http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem 'ized his tablet so now it's got apps apps and more apps. Jun 01 15:49:11 btw, how do you get the tablet UX to recognize the app-images set in /home/meego/.local/share/applications/*.desktop ?? Jun 01 15:54:15 hmmm... it sees /usr/share/icons/*.png but not the hicolor/WxH/*.png ones Jun 01 15:55:39 s/.../ /usr/share/pixmaps/ Jun 01 15:59:35 sudo ln -s /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/emacs.png /usr/share/pixmaps/emacs.png Jun 01 15:59:49 ^^^ works, and gives emacs installed from meego an icon Jun 01 16:16:33 of course, some perfectly valid ones result in coredumps and very long UX startup times: sudo ln -s /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/firefox.png /usr/share/pixmaps/ Jun 01 16:50:10 Is there anyway to change the email address associated with my meego.com account? I can't find one. Must I simply create a new account? That would be annoying: I would stop getting notices sent to the old account. Jun 01 16:51:46 Alison_Chaiken: meego.com account settings should have a way Jun 01 16:51:52 i've seen people succesfully do it Jun 01 16:52:00 also changes bugzilla etc Jun 01 17:00:11 Still having problem with SDK installation to Meego netbook: Execution failed (Unexpected exit code: 127). Any thoughts or wiki page? Jun 01 17:02:43 You're trying to install the SDK on a meogo netbook? Jun 01 17:04:10 SpeedEvil: yes Jun 01 17:12:56 delac: if you mean the MeeGo SDK downloaded from, say, http://developer.meego.com/meego-sdk ... Jun 01 17:13:15 delac: I don't think that's intended to be installed ON a MeeGo device. Jun 01 17:13:26 delac: For example... MeeGo isn't listed in the supported OS's. Jun 01 17:14:26 delac: From within meego, you usually just install the tools you need. There's some patterns available for this... I don't recall their name straight away. Jun 01 17:14:42 delac: To get a list of patterns.... zypper pt Jun 01 17:15:07 Sorry.. I'd like to make sure if old moblin player "hornsey" is dead upstream now? Jun 01 17:15:12 delac: To install a pattern.... zypper install pattern:name-of-pattern Jun 01 17:15:32 It seems to me that we use banshee currently for meego? Jun 01 17:17:03 paulliu: the media player is UX-specific. The Netbook UX uses banshee. The Tablet UX uses 'meego-app-media' or some such thing, which may be a meego-specific fork of something. Jun 01 17:17:47 paulliu: I can't find a "hornsey" in the repos... so I'm guessing it's dead. Jun 01 17:18:02 gabrbedd: ok.. thanks.. I'm maintaining old hornsey in Debian and would like to remove it because dead upstream.. Jun 01 17:19:06 gabrbedd: Because Debian are doing libtracker transition. It is not wise to port an dead project to new lib and keep it in Debian... Jun 01 17:19:33 paulliu: I agree. It should be removed from Debian. Jun 01 17:27:21 gabrbedd: well, there is bunch of meego-sdk-* but nothing that seem complete development package Jun 01 17:28:30 gabrbedd: I have already installed meego-base-development and meego-development-tools, but neither of these installed for example qt-creator, so I'm not sure if they are enough... Jun 01 17:29:45 gabrbedd: also, at least sdk 1.1 is installable to Meego netbook edition, so I thought it is the preferred way to do development Jun 01 17:30:18 The Computex news & press releases usually talk about "Intel's" MeeGo. I really have no interest starting a discussion but I hope Intel PR doesn't make the assumption that "MeeGo - Nokia = Intel's MeeGo", since imho that wouldn't help the project success Jun 01 17:30:50 Meego - Nokia = Moblin isn't it? Jun 01 17:31:34 no Jun 01 17:31:57 qgil, I can see where they would get the impression, though. Jun 01 17:32:02 to say nokia anymore isn't involved isn't exactly true Jun 01 17:32:10 qgil: then again, even with AMD joining back pre-feb11, media said "joining intel's meego effort" Jun 01 17:32:18 qgil: if you google a bit Jun 01 17:32:24 Nokia was like the bad uncle nobody wants to talk about at the family reunion. Jun 01 17:32:31 lol Jun 01 17:32:32 tripzero: Then NOkia should clearly state where and how it is involved Jun 01 17:32:34 GAN900: afais they get the impression from the wording in press releases and product presentations Jun 01 17:33:08 RST38h, it's fairly obvious if you follow development at all. Qt is nokia owned and a huge part of meego Jun 01 17:33:17 Qt5 is a big part of meego's future Jun 01 17:33:33 also a fair amount of the DE was nokia's doing Jun 01 17:33:34 (and hey, us meego arm guys are here too stil) ;) Jun 01 17:34:02 You're missing the point: regardless of the company involvements MeeGo is MeeGo, or if you want to stretch it, Linux Foundatuion's MeeGo. In no situation is "$COMPANY's MeeGo" Jun 01 17:34:10 :nod: Jun 01 17:34:12 qgil, exactly Jun 01 17:34:16 +1 Jun 01 17:34:46 Unless Intel do their own instance Jun 01 17:34:47 is it against trademark guidelines to say Intel's MeeGo? ;) Jun 01 17:34:51 otherwaise we got back to the square of Maemo / Moblin and that's it Jun 01 17:34:59 Then it's "Intels' MeeGo Instance" :) Jun 01 17:35:06 qgil, agree 100%. Jun 01 17:35:18 Though I prefer "Intels' flavour of MeeGo" Jun 01 17:35:22 But I can understand how people come away with the impression. Jun 01 17:35:38 I don't think Intel PR see it as a bad thing either ... Jun 01 17:36:13 I'm onyl saying that usually marketing helps getting people's impressions in the direction you want - and I wonder what is the direction wanted now. That's all I wanted to saya nd now I can go back to work" :) Jun 01 17:36:13 alterego: they might, if they want other companies to contribute Jun 01 17:36:23 Stskeeps: I see your point there .. Jun 01 17:36:29 qgil: you have to distinguish Intel's PR from what the media picks up Jun 01 17:36:39 Intel is the largest promoter and the one making most noise about it Jun 01 17:36:48 the media might be getting it wrong Jun 01 17:36:58 The media always get it wrong :P Jun 01 17:37:07 At least, the mainstream media Jun 01 17:37:08 thiago_home: well, Asus' press release had this wording Jun 01 17:37:15 Eek Jun 01 17:37:47 then we need to help Asus understand what MeeGo is Jun 01 17:38:15 thiago_home: sure, but I assume that the wording of that press release was reviewed at least by Intel marketing Jun 01 17:38:25 s/Asus/Acer/ ? Jun 01 17:38:27 delac: Inside an actual meego install... just install the packages you need. That's the preferred way. Jun 01 17:38:46 tripzero: i always get those messed up Jun 01 17:39:00 Stskeeps, ur not the only one. Jun 01 17:39:15 http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2075330/asus-munchies-demo-iconia-tab-m500-meego-tablet Jun 01 17:39:24 theinquirer got it wrong too :P Jun 01 17:39:31 qgil: I assume so too Jun 01 17:40:02 gabrbedd: yes, but got any tutorial? although meego-sdk-base looks promising (missed that previously). Jun 01 17:41:03 what's a snacking user experience? Jun 01 17:42:20 thiago_home: a device where you can both eat cookies and use it at the same time? Jun 01 17:42:36 mmm, cookies Jun 01 17:42:43 delac: Not me. I don't even use Qt Creator. Jun 01 17:42:46 delac: ever. Jun 01 17:43:12 nobody's perfect Jun 01 17:44:02 thiago: A device that runs so hot that you can toast waffles on the exhaust. Jun 01 17:45:02 the n900 keyboard can be removed to reveal a griddle Jun 01 17:45:04 gabrbedd: dont tell me you are vi user. :) Is there some specific reason for that? Jun 01 17:46:28 <--- emacs user Jun 01 17:46:59 XD Jun 01 17:47:01 delac: Yes, the specific reason is that I've used emacs for years and years because it's very portable, cross platform, stable, and helps me get my job done. Jun 01 17:47:02 gabrbedd, can you be described as a user? Jun 01 17:47:09 more like mage or wizard Jun 01 17:47:20 lcuk: haha, thanks! Jun 01 17:47:31 * lcuk needs a gui editor Jun 01 17:47:54 and one with a gui that requires less fingers than a string instrument orchestra Jun 01 17:49:30 I think Qt Creator is very nice... and I've considered switching to it (e.g. method parameter reminders) Jun 01 17:49:43 I haven't tried using it with X-forwarding, though. Jun 01 17:53:03 there is something strange going on with my Meego wired connection. It does get served a new ip every time I try to connect, but if I try to ping, I get Host Unreachable... Jun 01 18:01:18 Is Meego trying to be funny? I have had so many network connection problems that Meego lists "This webpage is not available" as my favourite page... XD Jun 01 18:02:30 not trying, but is succeeding Jun 01 18:03:09 delac: are you sure it's not a loose/damaged ethernet cable? Jun 01 18:04:53 gabrbedd: it works at one point, then it stops, and later it starts to work again. several times already, so I dont think it's cable related Jun 01 18:12:37 the odd thing is. reseting the adsl-modem doesn't help, but if I run the network diagnostics on the modem, then the network starts to work. sometimes... but never without running the diagnostics first. Jun 01 18:12:52 gabrbedd, nice article Jun 01 18:12:57 http://gabrbedd.wordpress.com/2011/06/01/ux-confusion-surrounding-meego/ Jun 01 18:13:02 and this has never happened before I started using Meego... Jun 01 18:15:03 delac: I don't know. I haven't had anything like that happen to me. :-/ Jun 01 18:15:07 lcuk: Thanks! Jun 01 18:16:00 lcuk, i'm not sure that article is exactly accurate Jun 01 18:16:42 tripzero, then comment/discuss/chew over Jun 01 18:16:47 tripzero: I'm listening. Jun 01 18:16:57 better to have blog posts which encourage discussion :) Jun 01 18:17:04 device vendors may not use them... ie, the reference apps Jun 01 18:17:14 but there's no reason why a device vendor couldn't Jun 01 18:17:36 that is why the word "may" is there Jun 01 18:17:53 well Jun 01 18:18:03 tripzero, did you know that gabrbedd is pretty much a device vendor? Jun 01 18:18:06 the article used the word "will not use" them Jun 01 18:18:17 gabrbedd, is? Jun 01 18:18:46 tripzero: I said "It's expected that device vendors will not use them..." Jun 01 18:18:57 tripzero: That leave room for them to indeed use them. Jun 01 18:19:36 gabrbedd: yes, I work for a device vendor... Jun 01 18:19:41 tripzero: ^^ Jun 01 18:19:57 and i think many/most of the 'reference' apps will be used Jun 01 18:20:01 tripzero: And we're using a reference ux. Jun 01 18:20:11 ahh Jun 01 18:20:26 tripzero: (and kind of regretting that, as well...) Jun 01 18:20:36 do tell Jun 01 18:20:44 gabrbedd: Android does do vendor custom interfaces to an extent Jun 01 18:20:46 which ux? Jun 01 18:20:54 gabrbedd: Motorola Blur, HTC Sense, Samsung TouchWiz Jun 01 18:21:00 tripzero: the pre-alpha developer preview Tablet UX. :-) Jun 01 18:21:20 fiferboy: and Kindle, too. (Or is it Nook?) Jun 01 18:21:34 fiferboy: I may need to do an edit for that point. Jun 01 18:21:49 gabrbedd, use the latest meego-ux and it should be a lot betterer than the pre-alpha something or rather Jun 01 18:22:39 gabrbedd: nook color would have been good with a meego base, it really doesn't use much of android :P Jun 01 18:22:52 browser and that's about it Jun 01 18:23:08 gabrbedd, would you say that using the notion of collective improvement, the MeeGo UX (which should be vendor neutral but the best we can collectively support) should lower the barrier of entry for both yourself and other cottage vendors? Jun 01 18:23:23 tripzero: Yes... I'm tracking with the upstream meego-ux. Jun 01 18:23:34 Stskeeps: indeed. Jun 01 18:24:20 lcuk: Agreed. And it will. They're still developing it. Jun 01 18:24:32 is it possible to maximize application on netbook? (if you have resized it) Jun 01 18:25:09 delac, sadly not that I could find Jun 01 18:25:09 gabrbedd, so what are your regrets? Jun 01 18:25:20 annoyingly the default window size is 2 pixels smaller than the screen Jun 01 18:25:26 besides the obvious frustration with beta quality software? Jun 01 18:25:32 so with mouse you cannot just mouse to side of screen and scroll Jun 01 18:25:54 bug 10444 Jun 01 18:25:57 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10444 nor, Undecided, ---, hao.h.li, NEW, Browser scrolling not possible when mouse at screen borders Jun 01 18:27:03 tripzero: just that it's not ready, today. We sort of expected to have a stable Tablet UX provided by MeeGo and then we could focus on the audio apps. Jun 01 18:27:07 there is clearly room for some improvements regarding the window management on netbook... Jun 01 18:27:20 gabrbedd, harhar Jun 01 18:27:30 tripzero: c'est la vie :-) Jun 01 18:27:49 mikhas: ^^^ Jun 01 18:27:53 :-p Jun 01 18:28:00 gabrbedd: At least the tablet UX snapshots seem to be progressing in the right direction Jun 01 18:28:15 Today's image has a couple more improvements Jun 01 18:28:18 gabrbedd, stable as in: being able to use MeeGo UX with a custom theming? Jun 01 18:28:45 (and specifically not having to rewrite all the UX from scratch) Jun 01 18:29:19 mikhas: stable as in: uses a stable window manager that works well with legacy applications so that we don't have to rewrite THEM from scratch. Jun 01 18:29:23 fiferboy worth updating? Jun 01 18:29:35 oh, ouch Jun 01 18:29:40 mikhas: :-) Jun 01 18:29:53 mikhas: Getting closer, though. Jun 01 18:30:10 pebcak: Worth it over the original tablet preview? Absolutely. Worht it over the image from the 25 of May, maybe not Jun 01 18:30:34 I just do a clean install for each version to check the functionality improvements Jun 01 18:33:13 fiferboy nah, I usually update with snapshots Jun 01 18:33:45 The main thing I noticed is the pull-down status bar finally works in portrait mode Jun 01 18:33:58 The main screen rotates better than before too Jun 01 18:34:23 I'm not sure I like the new lightgrey paneldesign Jun 01 18:35:35 pebcak: I do like the grid view for bookmarks better, and it is more readable against some backgrounds Jun 01 18:36:34 fiferboy: I just added a footnote about Android customization, per your comment. Jun 01 18:38:51 gabrbedd: Excellent. I think the point was still valid, as the Android customizations are quite contentious in the community Jun 01 18:41:37 * Stskeeps throws mic2 out the window Jun 01 18:42:02 it makes a fs, mkfs.vfat's it, mounts it fine in loop.. i remount and it says bad number of reserved sectors Jun 01 18:42:05 wtf Jun 01 18:42:07 :P Jun 01 18:42:30 * Stskeeps goes read Jun 01 18:42:35 Stskeeps: I spent the whole day yesterday fighting mic2... it complained about a failed Rmpdb checksum. Jun 01 18:42:43 * CosmoHill throws a selection of pentium 4s on top Jun 01 18:42:57 Stskeeps: turns out... it had a dependency that it couldn't solve. Jun 01 18:43:04 Why didn't it say so?? Jun 01 18:43:59 error messages are about as useful as comments in code sometimes... get out of sync w/ reality Jun 01 18:44:09 1. Bro's mobo fails, 2. replacement motherboard doesn't support the 3.6Ghz processor, 3. 3rd mobo doesn't support SATA Jun 01 18:46:34 FWIW, they're planning to refactor mic2 to fix stuff like that. Jun 01 18:46:58 gabrbedd: BTW, I liked your low latency audio talk even though most of it was over my head Jun 01 18:47:03 ATM the error messages tend to have nothing to do with what went wrong because of the way all the try/catch stuff. Jun 01 18:47:33 fiferboy: thanks... which parts were over your head? Jun 01 18:47:54 (I'm not going to grill you on it... just curious for future reference.) Jun 01 18:49:23 fiferboy which hardware are using with the tablet ux? exopc? Jun 01 18:49:28 gabrbedd: I was familiar with the technologies and threading and all that, but I guess I had never thought about the entire audio pipeline Jun 01 18:49:36 pebcak: Yes, ExoPC Jun 01 18:50:22 gabrbedd: I attended because it sounded interesting, and it was. I left happy. Jun 01 18:51:42 yay! after all the hardships, I finally managed to run my first hello world on meego :) Jun 01 18:52:15 delac, "echo 'hello world'" Jun 01 18:52:50 lcuk: mine is bit more sophisticated Jun 01 18:53:11 delac, with line numbers and a goto? Jun 01 18:53:26 * npm installs qasmixer as it's easier than trying to get the volume slider to come up on the exopc meego tablet Jun 01 18:54:51 wish everybody would ship devices with at least one physical, tactile button Jun 01 18:55:41 * npm trying to figure out how to glue a grommet over the exopc "button" -- to prevent brushing, and to make pressing "tactile" Jun 01 18:56:21 npm, are you left or right handed? Jun 01 18:56:29 and imho the only thing a proximity sensor is good for is to see if your face is next to the tablet Jun 01 18:56:39 lcuk: left Jun 01 18:57:00 imho, they should use the maemo 5 launcher thingie Jun 01 18:57:12 on the screen, with visual feedback of what it's doing Jun 01 18:57:17 when I write on my n810 (and to lesser degree n900) my hand covers the light sensor and causes it to wibble Jun 01 18:57:23 I ended up putting a sticker over it Jun 01 18:57:25 fiferboy: haha, thanks! Jun 01 18:57:26 and skip the proximuty button Jun 01 18:57:27 feedback would sure be nice Jun 01 18:57:52 gabrbedd: I'm sure it was the perfect level for your target audience, though Jun 01 19:00:04 akk, your IRC comment was posted and message ended up at my computer. Jun 01 19:00:23 fiferboy I usually upgrade via zypper because I have some other programs (fbreader etc.) installed, but sometimes that doesn't work so well (missing graphics and what not) Jun 01 19:00:44 lcuk: :) Jun 01 19:01:00 do I need to give feedback for *every* message? Jun 01 19:01:02 pebcak: I "distribution upraded" my tablet to latest 1.2 and it works much better, mostly Jun 01 19:01:11 lcuk: But I didn't get a busy cursor between when I hit Enter and when your feedback arrived here. Jun 01 19:01:20 and has a completely different look too Jun 01 19:01:21 akk, good point Jun 01 19:01:26 perhaps we could simulate that Jun 01 19:01:50 it's not all guacamole colored Jun 01 19:01:52 On the exo, I have to tap pretty hard to launch apps, and sometimes it seems like I have to double-tap (I'm never sure) Jun 01 19:02:03 so I wish there was something indicating "something is launching now" Jun 01 19:02:16 for some time-value of guacamole Jun 01 19:03:08 pebcak: Have you found a terminal with a vkb, or do you use a usb kb? Jun 01 19:10:38 fiferboy: i would say that my "target audience" was... not very well defined. :-) Jun 01 19:13:01 fiferboy: One interesting thing after the session.... an Intel guy attending my session saw the code where I was trying to get 16-byte aligned pointers... Jun 01 19:13:48 fiferboy I have a lenovo thinkpad keyboard, so I'm have no problem.... Jun 01 19:13:50 fiferboy: and I had written something like if( ((int)ptr % 16) != 0 ) Jun 01 19:14:15 fiferboy: and he noticed it... and pointed out that it fails on x86_64... Jun 01 19:14:28 °I have no problem Jun 01 19:14:31 fiferboy: At first I was like... huh? where? Jun 01 19:14:49 isn't there a intptr_t? :) Jun 01 19:14:53 gabrbedd: Nice. Did he supply a patch for your presentation? Jun 01 19:14:54 fiferboy but I also often just ssh from my laptop.... Jun 01 19:15:05 gabrbedd: can't you just allocate (needed ram + 15 bytes) and then skip the first bit? Jun 01 19:15:13 pebcak: But you need a usb keyboard to find out the tablets IP? Jun 01 19:15:54 Yes, that code came from BEFORE I learned about intptr_t (when Debian gave me a FTBFS on x86_64) Jun 01 19:16:02 fiferboy: I run a script to ping all the addresses on the local net, and figure out the tablet's address that way. :) Jun 01 19:16:06 However, posix_memalign() is a better option. Jun 01 19:16:24 (if I don't have a usb keyboard handy) Jun 01 19:16:30 um, what do you do if the program window is larger than the screen, and there is no scroll? Jun 01 19:16:32 Doesn't work so well at conferences, though. Jun 01 19:16:47 fiferboy no, my accesspoint assigns the ips via macaddress so the tab always got the same ip Jun 01 19:16:52 What's stack alignment on linux amd64 and x86 anyway? 16 and 8? does it change with -msse? Jun 01 19:17:03 akk: Good point. When I get home I'll connect to wifi and check my router's DHCP Jun 01 19:17:13 ShadowJK: stack alignment? IDK? Jun 01 19:17:16 pebcak: Mine does that too, I just never thought to look up the IP until now Jun 01 19:17:37 ShadowJK: The internal alignment for x86 is 16-byte. Jun 01 19:17:59 ShadowJK: And cache alignment is 64-byte (IIRC) Jun 01 19:18:15 ShadowJK: SSE ops require 16-byte alignment. Jun 01 19:18:18 fiferboy :D Jun 01 19:19:02 gabrbedd, ah I was thinking about &ptr % 16, iirc it can become nonzero on win32 using gcc Jun 01 19:19:39 question about my ideapad: I want to stop it from entering suspend mode when I close the lid Jun 01 19:19:47 and I recall seeing it somewhere Jun 01 19:19:58 (I open/close lid often whilst walking around house) Jun 01 19:20:04 lcuk: MeeGo 1.2? Jun 01 19:20:09 I am always near a power supply so battery life etc is not a concern Jun 01 19:20:32 fiferboy, meego netbook still Jun 01 19:20:36 ShadowJK: The code was something like while( ((intptr_t)ptr % 16) != 0 ) ++ptr; Jun 01 19:20:44 but I would imagine same for all Jun 01 19:20:53 How long does it take to resume? My Samsung netbook with win7 resumes in about 2 seconds :) Jun 01 19:20:56 ShadowJK: where ptr was char* or something. Jun 01 19:21:23 ShadowJK, long time sometimes Jun 01 19:21:36 and it gets confused it I reopen lid whilst it is suspending Jun 01 19:21:43 it is probably fixable by reflash etc Jun 01 19:21:49 but it is otherwise stable as it is Jun 01 19:21:55 ShadowJK: once aligned, I cast it back to the intended type (float*) Jun 01 19:22:17 I wonder when sleep will be added to the tablet ux Jun 01 19:22:32 on ubuntu I can set options for the lid open/close but cannot find similar Jun 01 19:22:34 that code might be fine on non-posix that doesn't have working memaligns ;p Jun 01 19:22:48 But posix_memalign() is better because you don't have to add all that code... and you can still use free() on the returned pointer. Jun 01 19:23:32 ShadowJK: the Intel compiler intrensics also has an abstract aligned allocator... Jun 01 19:24:54 Well that's pretty much guaranteed to break or return randomness in more places than posix_memalign :) Jun 01 19:25:00 _mm_malloc() Jun 01 19:25:22 Maybe not. It's shipped with the compiler, usually. Jun 01 19:27:24 Guaranteed to break in the sense that using compiler-specific features is guaranteed to break things on other compilers Jun 01 19:30:26 ShadowJK: True... except that it's a published specification. Jun 01 19:33:18 Well so is Posix, it's even a Standard, yet as a project grows you eventually end up with your own posix_memalign implementation (and others) and massive autoconf scripts to check what the system has and doesn't have, and what you can substitute with your own stuff :P Jun 01 19:38:17 ShadowJK: :-p Jun 01 19:38:20 :-) Jun 01 19:42:44 :) thanks to historical irc, and a couple of threads on forum.meego.com Jun 01 19:43:02 I now can open/close the lid often and instantly carry on where I was Jun 01 19:43:36 bettery life might go down and it is not completely on/off but network connections remain and downloads carry on whilst I am moving around house Jun 01 19:43:49 but since battery life is measure in hours :) Jun 01 20:07:48 gabrbedd, yeh, we didn't target stability for 1.2 on the meego ux. THere's still a lot of development going on even today Jun 01 20:08:13 it's a very fast moving target Jun 01 20:08:50 tripzero: Are you a MeeGo UX dev? I'm not blaming you guys at all. Jun 01 20:09:04 oh, i know. I understand your frustrations as well Jun 01 20:09:19 being on the bleeding edge can make you, well, bleed. Jun 01 20:09:35 yeh, i'm a meego ux dev Jun 01 20:09:40 * tripzero hides Jun 01 20:09:47 tripzero: Well, when we started this... our target was actually the Handset UX... Jun 01 20:09:58 tripzero: so I'm more annoyed that it got abandoned. Jun 01 20:10:08 :nod: Jun 01 20:10:17 tripzero: You guys did a good job with the Tablet UX in the time frame given. Jun 01 20:10:26 :) Jun 01 20:20:25 Is the handset ux abandoned? Jun 01 20:21:06 akk, well, mtf is deprecated Jun 01 20:21:13 which the handset ux was based on Jun 01 20:21:28 feel free to make your own conclusions from there ;) Jun 01 20:21:29 akk: nobody will confirm or deny the deprecation of the handset ux... however the N900 DE team have been continuing the work AFAIK. Jun 01 20:22:17 right. i've been accepting and pushing patches from the n900 DE team. but i admit my active development is currently on the meego ux. Jun 01 20:22:30 but that's just me personally Jun 01 20:22:30 hm, is Nokia dead already? I have 244 messages on my mail queue for nokia.com ... Jun 01 20:23:05 2011-06-01 20:22:21 +0000 1QRlQr-0007ct-1i SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data: host mx2.nokia.com [147.243.177.58]: 451 4.3.2 Please try again later Jun 01 20:23:05 2011-06-01 20:22:23 +0000 1QRhpC-0007WJ-Lc SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data: host mx2.nokia.com [147.243.177.56]: 451 4.3.2 Please try again later Jun 01 20:23:05 etc. Jun 01 20:23:08 tripzero: I'm glad to hear that they're getting merged. Jun 01 20:23:51 i think Stskeeps etc, have plans to move DE to the meego ux though in da future... Jun 01 20:36:16 gabrbedd, should turn your talk into a workshop. Jun 01 20:45:44 GAN900: Yeah, I considered that. All the "workshops" were scheduled for the pre-conference, though. Jun 01 20:46:14 GAN900: BTW, slides and code are now posted. Jun 01 20:46:48 * gabrbedd continues to ponder improvements to the talk/workshop... Jun 01 20:48:43 posted for meegoconf? Jun 01 20:48:45 hi, which version of meego do you recommend for a tablet? Jun 01 20:48:53 1.2 Jun 01 20:49:03 I mean the flavour :) Jun 01 20:49:09 afaik there are different flavors? Jun 01 20:49:10 the tablet Jun 01 20:49:26 there's no "tablet" in meego.com Jun 01 20:49:32 smart tv? Jun 01 20:49:43 they hide the tablet builds Jun 01 20:49:45 there's a tablet Jun 01 20:50:01 akk, why do they hide them? Jun 01 20:50:08 not complete yet Jun 01 20:50:18 it's only a snapshot build Jun 01 20:50:31 so I better user some other flavour? or it's better to use tablet one anyway? Jun 01 20:50:44 I'd say try the tablet one and report issues you find Jun 01 20:50:45 pespin_: No idea. If you click on Releases (from Downloads) you'll see one. Jun 01 20:50:59 ok Jun 01 20:51:13 "developer preview" Jun 01 20:52:08 yep, found it :) Jun 01 20:52:33 it would be great if I could get it as a simple .tar.gz and unzip it in an SD though Jun 01 20:53:52 It's an ISO that you can dd to an SD card or USB drive. Jun 01 20:54:17 You could mount it, then copy the files, if you want files rather than a live/installable image. Jun 01 20:58:49 can someone paste me the urls of the repositories SDK 1.2 sets up? Jun 01 21:49:01 hello, has someone built a netbook ux image with emgd support? Jun 01 21:57:54 vgrade: ping Jun 01 22:05:20 anab1s, there was a big discussion about variants and things earlier in #meego-arm but EMGD was not mentioned (focus was on ARM support), you have rightly pinged vgrade who should know but we would be even better to find real way and place to have these variation builds Jun 01 22:06:11 lcuk: thanks for the response Jun 01 22:30:40 heh @hpnews tweets: Jun 01 22:30:44 CEO Apotheker: "You’ll see a completely different HP emerging over the next 3-4 years" #hp [typo corrected from prev tweet] Jun 01 22:31:00 the correction was s/merging/emerging/ Jun 01 22:41:05 lcuk, i've hooked up with anab1s now, been missing him for a day or so now Jun 01 22:41:12 :D Jun 01 22:41:46 pointed him at the ivi builds to start with which have EMGD in Jun 01 22:41:54 ooh neato Jun 01 22:42:05 where are those builds? Jun 01 22:42:33 * lcuk finally sussed out how to actually sort out ideapad powersave/suspend thing Jun 01 22:42:47 now I can close the lid, walk to new sitting place, reopen lid and carry on where I was Jun 01 22:42:58 (become more required because I now smoke outside!) Jun 01 22:43:16 i pointed him to http://download.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/stable/1.2.0/latest/images/ Jun 01 22:43:48 i haven't got a usb slot in my car though Jun 01 22:44:04 is it compatible with citroen c3? :P Jun 01 22:58:31 lcuk: Does it suspend to ram? Jun 01 22:58:46 SpeedEvil, no Jun 01 22:59:00 Oh - right. Jun 01 22:59:19 * SpeedEvil wishes that there were some way to do router powersave 'properly'. Jun 01 22:59:53 I.E. go to sleep - tell router 'queue all packets for me' - wake up 30s - process packets for 1s - go to sleep. Repeat until something interesting happens. Jun 01 23:00:10 TCP/IP and everything backs off so you have a link with a RTT of 30s - and most things - 'just work' Jun 01 23:01:31 to anyone interested, the SF videos started showing up, kinda hidden atm, but hey ;-) check out http://videos.meego.com/ Jun 01 23:01:58 we'll keep it quiet :) Jun 01 23:02:18 Woo! Jun 01 23:02:24 I can see the origins of PNG man. Jun 01 23:02:51 i see a bunch of XML Jun 01 23:03:22 Saviq: link doesn't work Jun 01 23:03:29 alterego: yeah it does Jun 01 23:03:38 you just need to look for .flv Jun 01 23:03:46 I'm getting server not found, new dns entry? Jun 01 23:04:00 ah no, it's there for a long time now AFAIK Jun 01 23:04:08 Oh waitp worked this time Jun 01 23:04:30 I still just get lots of XML Jun 01 23:04:45 just get the /sf2011... and append that to http://videos.meego.com/ for download Jun 01 23:04:53 SpeedEvil: that's what I meant 'hidden' ;) Jun 01 23:05:03 I tried that Jun 01 23:05:31 Oh - $foo$ is literal Jun 01 23:05:33 I assumed... Jun 01 23:05:44 here's an example url "http://videos.meego.com/sf2011/Monday/Grand A/MeeGo BO Grand A 323.flv" Jun 01 23:05:59 I see. It's obvious now. Jun 01 23:06:14 $folder$ seems to be a way to indicate folders Jun 01 23:07:20 sadly the operators didn't grasp the idea that we actually want to look at the screen and not the presenters' faces for the most time Jun 01 23:07:40 and slides are not available on some sessions Jun 01 23:07:54 Crap, 1.5G ?v Jun 01 23:07:58 not to mention demos Jun 01 23:08:04 I aint downloading that over 3G :P Jun 01 23:08:24 Note to self. Jun 01 23:08:25 not sure it's gonna change later Jun 01 23:08:33 Don't open videos with mplayer as root Jun 01 23:08:42 Hahah Jun 01 23:08:43 Gets _really_ confused when it can't talk to x. Jun 01 23:08:53 note to SpeedEvil don't open videos with mplayer. ;P Jun 01 23:08:59 * SpeedEvil hugs being able to ssh in from phone and chvt Jun 01 23:09:07 +1 Jun 01 23:09:07 Why not? Jun 01 23:09:34 SpeedEvil: just a personal hate Jun 01 23:09:38 brb Jun 01 23:09:58 Ah - too much bitrate. Jun 01 23:10:28 I shall wait until they are properly linked up. They do look nice though! Jun 01 23:10:44 I might download them tomorrow Jun 01 23:11:34 lcuk: did you see the link I pasted yesterday? Jun 01 23:12:13 yeah they overdid with the size a bit Jun 01 23:12:58 that's mostly true for 4:3 videos, panoramic ones seem to be more reasonably sized Jun 01 23:19:32 I'm really looking forwar to scene graph and wayland .. Jun 01 23:19:40 forward .. Jun 01 23:20:12 I should probably stop dreaming about the future and continue working on what I have now though ;) Jun 01 23:24:40 alterego: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KefqZgDFIRU Jun 01 23:26:57 Making progress then :) Jun 01 23:27:19 TSCHAKeee: 'okley dokley'? Jun 01 23:27:39 vldcnst: that's Langston for ya Jun 01 23:27:44 that's not me, one of our other programmers. Jun 01 23:38:54 TSCHAKeee, ? Jun 01 23:39:08 lcuk: i repasted it above Jun 01 23:40:57 alterego & lcuk: also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XMjWrJpEEw (Bookmarks part 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHbJ40TrO2A (bookmarks part 2) and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDQ92d9nktQ (Famicom Disk System Support) ;) Jun 01 23:41:52 I really hate being busy, there's so many things I'd like to do right now :( Jun 01 23:43:29 hmm Jun 01 23:43:55 am I missing something stupid with the exopc? I added xopts=-nocursor to my uxlaunch in /etc/sysconfig, killed uxlaunch, yet I still have a cursor Jun 01 23:49:35 TSCHAKeee, so that portion of the system shows that your flavour of DBUS signaling works. the bus is entire network though Jun 01 23:49:57 it's not using dbus at all, but it is a messaging system Jun 01 23:49:58 so in effect more like OSC (Open Sound Control) Jun 01 23:50:09 I know it is not DBUS - your flavour of it Jun 01 23:50:12 w00t: hmm, restart system? Jun 01 23:50:15 same idea Jun 01 23:50:21 lcuk: yeah, in a way :) Jun 01 23:50:22 effect etc Jun 01 23:50:23 auke: let me try Jun 01 23:50:31 w00t: read /var/log/uxlaunch.log to confirm the option was passed to Xorg Jun 01 23:50:41 lcuk: our bus is the entire home Jun 01 23:50:43 TSCHAKeee, how much binding does it work and how generic is it on the network? Jun 01 23:50:47 okay, will do when it comes back alive :) Jun 01 23:50:51 lcuk: and unifies ALL messaging busses actually. Jun 01 23:50:52 does it need* Jun 01 23:51:03 I'm sort of surprised that option isn't there by default Jun 01 23:51:14 I can't really imagine why you'd ever want mouse on a tablet :P Jun 01 23:51:16 and it contains a lot of code to traverse and find devices of different types/categories/etc Jun 01 23:51:17 visible, that is Jun 01 23:51:24 (unless you have one plugged in) Jun 01 23:51:36 I'm running ubuntu on my exo Jun 01 23:51:45 lcuk: as far as the network is concerned, DCE devices make TCP connections back to the DCE router on a star topology. Jun 01 23:51:46 Need something I can properly hack on Jun 01 23:51:56 alterego: what's wrong with meego? :-) Jun 01 23:52:17 lcuk: currently our main binding is in C++, but we have a ruby interpreter and a bash interpreter engine as wel. Jun 01 23:52:20 I need something I can properly hack on ... Jun 01 23:52:42 alterego: right, I'm asking why you can't use it :) Jun 01 23:53:07 It's not as comfortable, ubuntu everything I need just works, no hacking required. Jun 01 23:53:08 TSCHAKeee, what protocol is it running, and is that documented outside (datatypes, scalability etc?) Jun 01 23:53:22 auke: no mention of nocursor in uxlaunch.log Jun 01 23:53:24 I just need the libs I use in MeeGo (Qt etc) and I'm sorted :P Jun 01 23:53:26 lcuk: it is our own protocol, and yes it is documented. Jun 01 23:53:40 infact, nm for tonight - I will ask again tomorrow I need to sleep \p Jun 01 23:53:41 \o Jun 01 23:53:51 gnite guys Jun 01 23:54:07 our system is currently very vertical Jun 01 23:54:11 but then again it had to be Jun 01 23:54:13 when we started Jun 01 23:54:18 nothing existed. Jun 01 23:55:49 auke: does the ordering of stuff in uxlaunch config matter? Jun 01 23:55:50 and then TSCHAKeee said, let there be light, and lo a WML light bulb button was pushed which raised a signal into a slot which triggered a message over the custom message bus which entered the hub and sent a control power switch to the light and TSCHAKeee did bask upon the 60watt glow of his bulb. Jun 01 23:55:55 xopts is the last line at present Jun 01 23:56:11 lcuk: hehehe Jun 01 23:56:16 nn Jun 01 23:56:17 lcuk: we actually did this as a test conept Jun 01 23:56:21 Heh Jun 01 23:56:24 lcuk: towards a new Orbiter Jun 01 23:56:33 we want to design a new orbiter entirely done in QML Jun 01 23:58:09 w00t: no, I'm thinking your version is too old to support xopts= Jun 01 23:58:20 QML exported via http and backed by RoR! :) Jun 01 23:58:26 auke: v0.58 Jun 01 23:58:32 sounds too old Jun 01 23:58:38 arh Jun 01 23:58:42 not sure Jun 01 23:58:45 where did you get it? Jun 01 23:58:54 as-installed when I got it from the appup guys Jun 01 23:59:04 (in sf) Jun 01 23:59:05 yup, too old Jun 01 23:59:15 I need to figure out how to point my repos at trunk, I guess :) Jun 01 23:59:25 backed by RoR, hells no Jun 01 23:59:26 0.59+ Jun 01 23:59:29 Yeah, you don't even have multitouch on that :P Jun 01 23:59:39 alterego: nope Jun 01 23:59:46 upgrading was next on my todo list anyway Jun 01 23:59:48 so it's no big deal Jun 02 00:00:03 TSCHAKeee: I was joking, though I've been experimenting with transferable images Jun 02 00:00:10 ;) Jun 02 00:00:12 Exposed via http and RoR Jun 02 00:00:16 cool Jun 02 00:00:25 s/images/interfaces :P Jun 02 00:01:55 oh, hell, this is quite an old image Jun 02 00:11:16 auke: indeed, upgrading uxlaunch made things work Jun 02 00:11:16 :) Jun 02 00:12:46 w00t: so what are you doing with your exo? Jun 02 00:13:07 alterego: setting up a development environment at the moment Jun 02 00:13:15 qml? Jun 02 00:13:15 and making it a bit more friendly to use Jun 02 00:13:33 well, qml is already there, vim, gcc, qt-devel, etc Jun 02 00:13:49 rewriting all my apps so they are actually good? Jun 02 00:13:54 I'm planning on getting scene graph running under de Jun 02 00:13:56 tripzero: haha, awww Jun 02 00:14:00 i <3 settings! Jun 02 00:14:26 See how much it improves qml performance Jun 02 00:14:33 lol Jun 02 00:14:40 alterego: did you see the recent figures on labs? Jun 02 00:14:42 summary: a lot Jun 02 00:14:49 i was able to improve the startup time in settings today Jun 02 00:14:58 Indeed Jun 02 00:14:58 tripzero: nice! what'd you do? Jun 02 00:15:02 (and what improvements :)) Jun 02 00:15:10 it was a "oops" moment Jun 02 00:15:27 I think 1.3 will be the serious MeeGo release Jun 02 00:15:43 systemd, wayland, scene graph :) Jun 02 00:15:53 qml 2 maybe .. Jun 02 00:15:55 during the transition to meego-ux-components, I thought i had to create components of all the applets at load time Jun 02 00:16:03 then i figured out that i didn't but never removed the code Jun 02 00:16:11 tripzero: hahaha, oops Jun 02 00:16:29 I wonder how much of meego-ux is similar to that, might help to drop a mail to meego-dev :P Jun 02 00:16:30 so a one line fix and 100% improvement Jun 02 00:16:51 alterego: qml2/scenegraph probably won't hit 1.3 Jun 02 00:16:58 alterego: stop it! Nobody's promising a production/stable wayland for 1.3. Jun 02 00:17:03 alterego: :-p Jun 02 00:17:05 wayland... Jun 02 00:17:09 maybe... Jun 02 00:17:19 I don't know what the problems are there Jun 02 00:17:34 stable != serious Jun 02 00:17:37 sure... it *could* happen... but nobody is committing to it. Jun 02 00:17:46 tripzero: hahaha :-) Jun 02 00:17:51 seriously awesome, yes. stable... maybe? Jun 02 00:18:25 i think 1.2 shipped with qtmobility beta didn't it? Jun 02 00:18:55 Yes Jun 02 00:19:23 but... qt5 is going to be beta in dec? Jun 02 00:19:33 so the best 1.3 will get is a tech preview Jun 02 00:19:36 maybe Jun 02 00:19:46 beta might be pushing it Jun 02 00:20:05 i'd estimate invasive changes to be done by the end of the year Jun 02 00:20:10 There was talk of aligning but I guess we wont know for a while Jun 02 00:20:12 assuming the current timescales and featuresets are kept Jun 02 00:20:25 that'll be more accurate once berlin is over :) Jun 02 00:20:29 which isn't far away Jun 02 00:21:10 maybe qt5 will drop features to meet the 1.3 window? Jun 02 00:21:13 that's an idea Jun 02 00:21:17 when I last talked to thiago (here)... he was trying to figure out how to get scenegraph for 1.3. Jun 02 00:21:32 idea: add feature to 4.9 (or something)... clean them up for 5.0. Jun 02 00:21:35 Anyway, bedtime for me Jun 02 00:21:38 g'night Jun 02 00:21:50 night Jun 02 00:22:12 gabrbedd: there was going to be a 4.9 originally before dropping that for 5.0 Jun 02 00:22:19 tripzero: qt5 doesn't actually have many features Jun 02 00:22:41 just big changes :( Jun 02 00:22:51 but rewriting the entire graphics stack for all platforms and expecting to release it within 6 months is a bit.. optimistic, I think Jun 02 00:23:07 w00t: That was the part he seemed to be struggling with... Jun 02 00:23:27 4.8 is scheduled next, and scenegraph won't make it. Jun 02 00:23:35 5.0 is scheduled after. Jun 02 00:23:44 4.9 isn't on the schedule. Jun 02 00:24:54 honestly, i don't see how changing numbers is going to make it any faster Jun 02 00:25:23 this is a big, scary, invasive change, it's natural to not rush it too heavily Jun 02 00:25:49 well, they'd like to have it in october, but it goes against their release schedule. Jun 02 00:26:04 I imagine they'd _like_ to have had it 3-4 years ago :-p Jun 02 00:26:59 at meego conf they said they would target meego 1.4 Jun 02 00:27:02 in april 2012 Jun 02 00:27:18 that's more within realms of possibility Jun 02 00:27:42 and we can't really do wayland without qt5 can we? Jun 02 00:27:49 tripzero: yes, you can Jun 02 00:27:50 well, i suppose we could run X inside wayland Jun 02 00:27:53 no Jun 02 00:27:53 but... meh Jun 02 00:28:02 wayland works with qt4? Jun 02 00:28:03 Qt 4.8 includes Lighthouse, the platform abstraction refactoring Jun 02 00:28:05 it has a wayland backend Jun 02 00:28:06 ahh Jun 02 00:28:07 Right. But I keep hearing people say "they'll have wayland in 1.3" -- and I think it gives people the impression that they've committed to shipping wayland production/stable in 1.3 (which isn't true) Jun 02 00:28:40 most people do not understand that Wayland isn't a drop in replacement for X.... Jun 02 00:28:51 if 1.3 is just a more refined version of 1.2, i'm happy Jun 02 00:28:52 we're gonna see lots of confused people. Jun 02 00:29:00 1.4 can have all the big changes Jun 02 00:29:41 tripzero: +1 Jun 02 00:30:16 1.3 could include a fairly polished meego-ux at this rate Jun 02 00:31:11 tripzero: the rate of progress is amazing Jun 02 00:34:10 tripzero: BTW, which part do you work on? Jun 02 00:35:40 gabrbedd, various settings and settings infrastructure primarily Jun 02 00:35:53 but i have my grubby hands in various other things as well Jun 02 00:39:04 * w00t shoots sample-media Jun 02 00:43:41 tripzero: cool :-) Jun 02 00:44:02 Is it just me... or does the layout look strange on a 1024x600 screen? Jun 02 00:45:16 * gabrbedd is taking a screen shot... Jun 02 00:48:41 http://gabe.is-a-geek.org/tmp/20110601-m-ux-d-appgrd-001.jpg Jun 02 00:50:03 it's not properly designed to run in that sort of a resolution, portrait-only afaik Jun 02 00:51:12 w00t: ok. just checking that I didn't b0rk something. Jun 02 01:16:59 gabrbedd: how do you get it to recognize standard desktop icons w/o putting copies/symlinks in /usr/share/pixmaps/ Jun 02 01:49:24 npm: full path to icon. Jun 02 02:10:15 MeeGo tablet likes 110x100 pixels w/ 20px transparent border. Jun 02 02:10:27 MeeGo tablet likes 100x100 pixels w/ 20px transparent border. Jun 02 02:19:39 pixelgeek_: Thanks. What about SVG's? Jun 02 02:19:53 Not yet... Jun 02 02:20:18 It was discussed at MeeGo conference, but no timeline announced. Jun 02 02:21:08 James Ketrenos and Cyrene Domogolla did a presentation on resolution independent interfaces. Jun 02 02:21:57 s/Domogolla/Domogalla Jun 02 02:23:08 been sofar great news for MeeGo from the computex. :) Jun 02 02:23:29 pixelgeek_: OK. FWIW, the Compliance spec says "SVG or PNG", and no mention of the path. Jun 02 02:23:47 pixelgeek_: also 100x100 isn't in the list. :-) Jun 02 02:24:18 Just telling ya what works ;) Jun 02 02:25:14 SVG is orders of magnitude slower to render, which is something to keep in mind, too Jun 02 02:25:17 phl0x81: What caught your eye? Jun 02 02:25:35 tablet news is great, also the netbook is nice. Jun 02 02:25:52 wonder if there is more, as computex isn't over yet. Jun 02 02:25:57 Acer tablet? Jun 02 02:26:04 yeah Jun 02 02:26:36 I think Computex is pretty much winding down today. Jun 02 02:27:02 (Thursday in Taiwan already) Jun 02 02:29:32 we'll see. Jun 02 02:31:02 Damn. Jun 02 02:31:10 * SpeedEvil wants announcement of meego nokia phone. Jun 02 02:31:19 Who knows. Jun 02 02:31:39 Maybe they don't want to announce it on the back of the profits warning. Jun 02 02:33:42 yeah. the nokias. waiting for that too. Jun 02 02:34:23 waiting for the gold plated thingy for your collection ? Jun 02 02:34:37 I don't want a gold plated thingy. Jun 02 02:34:59 im sure its extra shiny :) Jun 02 02:36:40 pixelgeek_: I know, thanks. Jun 02 02:37:13 I'm waiting for the Nokia announcement too. My Nokia 6102 is long overdue a replacement... Jun 02 02:37:56 actually, I'm waiting for those LG Phones ;) Jun 02 02:38:59 w00t: Yeah, sure... but we're talking about icons. And that the MeeGo UX isn't following the complaince spec. :-p Jun 02 02:39:44 complianced is for the little people :) Jun 02 02:40:17 I'm not sure why svg wouldn't work, I've never seen anything restricting image types Jun 02 02:40:39 It's been a while since I tried it on the MeeGo UX... Jun 02 02:40:43 * gabrbedd tries again... Jun 02 02:41:48 according to http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-ux-appgrid/blobs/master/AppIcon.qml it's just an Image, so I don't see why it wouldn't work Jun 02 02:42:33 nohup pkill uxlaunch Jun 02 02:42:34 Maybe SVG is supported already - https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7694 Jun 02 02:42:37 Bug 7694 nor, Medium, ---, armin.berres, CLOS FIXED, Icons in PNG format are ignored by theme daemon Jun 02 02:43:01 Ah, I remember now... Jun 02 02:43:06 ugh - that's MTF Jun 02 02:43:13 mthemedaemon is part of handset Jun 02 02:43:17 right :) Jun 02 02:43:29 It works... but I had a font issue. Jun 02 02:43:52 * gabrbedd gets to fixing his font issue... Jun 02 02:43:57 hm, there is svg support in Qt, so it shouldn't be too hard. Jun 02 02:46:14 anybody know how to explode text to shapes in inkscape? Jun 02 02:47:20 convert to path? Jun 02 02:48:56 pixelgeek_: yep, that's it. Jun 02 02:51:16 pretty! Jun 02 02:51:39 pixelgeek_: sorry for giving you crap about SVG. Jun 02 02:52:04 You were? Jun 02 02:52:16 who? me? Jun 02 02:52:18 * gabrbedd looks around Jun 02 02:52:28 ;) Jun 02 02:52:52 There's so many things in motion with the tablet UX... Jun 02 02:53:31 But I look back at what it was like at the beginning of the year, and how far it's come... Jun 02 02:55:26 By the way, I wanted to thank you an Tony for showing off the Indamixx products at the Intel Booth at tMeeGo Conference SF 2011. Jun 02 02:56:02 pixelgeek_: it was our pleasure, really. :-) Jun 02 02:56:17 could not have done it without Tony, either. Jun 02 02:56:20 I think you were spot on in your blog - it was a key attraction at the booth. Jun 02 02:56:35 Yes, he was a trooper! Jun 02 02:57:17 never had chances to go Meego Conference, its too far for me :( Jun 02 02:58:58 the tablet ux kinda pisses me off actually... try installing some standard programs on your tablet, like skype Jun 02 02:59:35 npm: that's why it's still called "pre-alpha" :-p Jun 02 02:59:40 and the idea of putting window manager stuff back in the application is lie going back to X10 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 02 02:59:56 2011