**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 03 02:59:57 2011 Jun 03 03:05:24 i wonder how long it will takes Jun 03 03:06:42 how long... what will takes? Jun 03 03:10:56 to make Intel product to run Meego on it Jun 03 03:12:04 tonberry_: you mean a handset? 'Cos intel has to make one, first. :-p Jun 03 03:12:27 tonberry_: otherwise, several intel-based meego devices were just announced at Computex this week. Jun 03 03:12:59 yea, i mean handset Jun 03 03:13:02 not tablet Jun 03 03:13:05 =\ Jun 03 03:13:21 into production Jun 03 03:14:30 not some prototype showing in conference & disappear for few years Jun 03 03:14:55 yeah, i got it. Jun 03 03:15:42 my guess (FWIW) is that tablets will ship this fall near the 1.3 release. Jun 03 03:15:59 it that so, thats no difference between Intel & Nokia Jun 03 03:16:09 Intel handsets (just a guess) around 1.4 Jun 03 03:18:16 no difference... as in expected ship date? True. Jun 03 03:18:44 gabrbedd, yes. Jun 03 03:21:32 & i dont think Nokia really concern bout Meego tho, they focus more on the window phones Jun 03 04:06:43 morn Jun 03 04:10:11 hi Jun 03 04:16:17 wtf at some media claiming a "32$ license fee" for meego Jun 03 04:16:32 link? Jun 03 04:16:42 usual crap site: http://www.techeye.net/mobile/meego-will-be-dead-in-eight-months Jun 03 04:19:43 * gabrbedd sighs Jun 03 04:21:12 * gabrbedd finally sees the light at the end of his 4x-boot nightmare project... Jun 03 04:22:15 * Stskeeps reads his email Jun 03 04:29:01 * zz Jun 03 04:29:42 morning Jun 03 04:29:54 hi, iekku! Jun 03 04:30:12 hi gabrbedd! Jun 03 04:30:26 morning iekku Jun 03 04:30:42 ummh, free day and i'm already up Jun 03 04:30:57 iekku: 2 free days? Jun 03 04:31:08 sup, Stskeeps Jun 03 04:31:17 tonberry_: not much Jun 03 04:31:33 going for lunch soon Jun 03 04:33:51 gabrbedd, one paid vacation and this is just keeping my saldo hours Jun 03 04:35:19 ah... cool. Jun 03 04:37:37 What rumor has Ash heard? Jun 03 04:37:54 probably that the world ends on 20th and we won't see nokia's handset Jun 03 04:37:55 ;) Jun 03 04:38:01 Actually, I don't want to know. Jun 03 04:38:15 Like he says - it may jinx whatever it is... Jun 03 04:38:39 He won't say... but it was obviously something good. Jun 03 04:39:29 Maybe he heard that they're lowering the meego license fee. :-p Jun 03 04:39:41 He's at Computex this week, right? Jun 03 04:39:47 yes Jun 03 04:40:21 who sets the license fee for meego? Jun 03 04:40:50 tonberry_: it's B.S. from the article stskeeps posted above ^^^ Jun 03 04:41:04 tonberry_: I was just being silly... there is no license fee for meego. Jun 03 04:41:30 you might have to pay your hardware vendors for stuff like codecs and hardware drivers but that's normal.. Jun 03 04:41:33 :P Jun 03 04:41:40 yeah Jun 03 04:41:59 no way Meego going to have license fee man Jun 03 04:43:02 gabrbedd: it does actually beg a good question, if LF asks a fee for trademark usage ;) Jun 03 04:43:33 Stskeeps: and in some parts of the world you might have to fork out protection money for using ffmpeg for gst; as in "pay this fee or get sued, even if it may not hold up" Jun 03 04:43:39 :nod: Jun 03 04:43:40 Their website says that they do not. Jun 03 04:43:44 gabrbedd: ah, good Jun 03 04:44:02 That is... the meego trademark usage page. Jun 03 04:44:03 I don't believe they do. I don't think you even need to be a member to use the TM if you're compliant Jun 03 04:44:06 did u guys checkout the meego fan page in fb? Jun 03 04:44:28 daily :) Jun 03 04:44:39 tonberry_: what's on there now? :P Jun 03 04:44:47 and which one Jun 03 04:45:25 they close down the fan page & reopen another one, i think something to do with copyrights Jun 03 04:45:38 tonberry_: URL please Jun 03 04:45:44 sec Jun 03 04:45:48 http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_44261675808 Jun 03 04:45:59 there.. lol Jun 03 04:46:45 this is the fan page i talking about Jun 03 04:46:47 https://www.facebook.com/pages/Meego-Fan-Club/116078908477265 Jun 03 04:47:08 ah, good Jun 03 04:47:18 the problem was that the former one claimed to be official Jun 03 04:47:24 and media then thought it was Jun 03 04:48:32 yeah.. previously known as Meegoâ„¢ Jun 03 04:48:44 And then there's http://www.facebook.com/meegoproject?sk=wall&filter=1 Jun 03 04:49:36 3k of likes woot Jun 03 04:49:53 i wonder those fans really know what is meego? Jun 03 04:52:45 Anything you want to see on the MeeGo facebook group page? Jun 03 04:53:12 (apart from more product announcements, obviously) Jun 03 04:53:47 farmtown updates. Jun 03 04:53:56 git commits! Jun 03 04:53:57 ;) Jun 03 04:54:20 change note & patches =D Jun 03 04:54:21 Yowser - git commits would crowd out everything else on the page! Jun 03 04:55:26 I think Pete did post when Release 1.2 came out, complete with high level features and pointers to the release notes. Jun 03 04:55:30 pixelgeek: add OBS commits on top of that Jun 03 04:55:47 I get the drift. Jun 03 04:56:11 Meego gona layoff the handset updates? Jun 03 04:56:17 Maybe we can include pointers to the pages people need to get to - wiki, OBS, etc Jun 03 04:56:27 tonberry_: i think 1.3 handset will look dramatically different from 1.2 Jun 03 04:57:31 Stskeeps, any detail notes on 1.3 release? Jun 03 04:57:49 tonberry_: first off, there's a hard push for systemd, wayland and such, and libmeegotouch deprecation Jun 03 04:58:24 i think meego ux will be a basis Jun 03 05:02:57 sounds good Jun 03 05:06:08 OK - as suggested - http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=%2Fhome.php%3Fsk%3Dgroup_44261675808%26view%3Ddoc%26id%3D10150288099310809&h=18f12&cb=3&p=AT6Z5a5Q7FPOrYCNuUjbELfnG37Ch_8H-hzXLpjci_XCduICB4moxL54ugbYPtquUeGtsciz0fnC0z8P_dIGU1J5EV1HFa9P3QFxa7sETMJqdhBS Jun 03 05:06:18 ugh - sorry for the long URL Jun 03 05:07:13 http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_44261675808&view=doc&id=10150288099310809 Jun 03 05:08:11 'night all Jun 03 05:08:37 pixelgeek: night! Jun 03 05:25:37 hello Jun 03 05:25:54 new to meego Jun 03 05:26:47 morning Jun 03 05:27:07 i have a quwstion Jun 03 05:27:23 i want to put the meego in Dell Inspiron netbook Jun 03 05:27:25 possible? Jun 03 05:28:03 probably, just download the netbook image, put it on a usb stick and boot it as a live system Jun 03 05:28:12 alhadi: what CPU and what graphics card do you have? Jun 03 05:28:17 one sec Jun 03 05:28:23 it has 2 GB ddr3 Jun 03 05:28:28 intel onboard gaphics Jun 03 05:28:35 and 350 GB hdd Jun 03 05:28:45 cpu is Intel Atom processor Jun 03 05:28:55 in an inspiron? Jun 03 05:28:58 an atom? Jun 03 05:28:59 yes Jun 03 05:29:01 ya Jun 03 05:29:05 you said intel. they mighty intel overlords of meego smile upon your device, it shall be blessed... Jun 03 05:29:48 gabrbedd: prolly sthg like this? http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-mini-netbooks?cs=19 Jun 03 05:29:49 oh, i see... it's their netbook line. Jun 03 05:30:13 alhadi: yeah... what dm8tbr said... it'll probably work. Jun 03 05:30:16 dm8tbr, :DDDDD Jun 03 05:30:17 its dell inspiron mini 10v Jun 03 05:30:34 atom n455 1.66 ghz Jun 03 05:30:42 alhadi: you may have trouble with the wifi card depending on what kind you have. Jun 03 05:30:56 iekku: what? O;-) Jun 03 05:31:16 "they mighty intel overlords of meego smile upon your device, it shall be blessed..." Jun 03 05:31:18 wireless, dell 802.11b/g wireless Jun 03 05:31:40 i hope it works boss Jun 03 05:31:47 love to put linux based distro Jun 03 05:31:56 meego is what i got influenced Jun 03 05:33:52 meego-netbook-ia32-1.2.0.img is what i am downloading Jun 03 05:34:10 once done i will use win32 disk imager to put it in 2 gb sandisk 2 gb Jun 03 05:40:48 alhadi try live-booting and see if everything works Jun 03 05:40:58 you can try the netbook image before installing it Jun 03 05:41:32 looking at the specs I think your wireless should work fine as well Jun 03 05:42:37 cool Jun 03 05:42:43 becuz i just purchased that laptop Jun 03 05:42:47 new in the market :) Jun 03 05:42:59 it has windows 7 bull shit loaded Jun 03 05:43:02 slows everything Jun 03 05:45:29 if I may ask, how much was it? Jun 03 05:45:39 how large is the screen? 10 inch? Jun 03 05:47:55 yes Jun 03 05:48:03 it was like 1200 AED Jun 03 05:48:09 * alhadi is in dubai Jun 03 05:48:35 ok, about 325 USD Jun 03 05:48:40 yep Jun 03 05:48:45 i got it cheap Jun 03 05:48:50 like 10 percent OFF Jun 03 05:52:17 sofar Microsoft Windows 7 Starter it came with this shit Jun 03 05:52:23 need to remove and put meego :) Jun 03 05:54:15 alhadi: yes, W7 Starter is a complete joke. Jun 03 05:54:22 indeed Jun 03 05:54:33 cannot even change the theme , totally mess Jun 03 05:54:45 atleast in linux you can do whatever you like Jun 03 05:54:51 and its free :) Jun 03 05:55:09 alhadi: I got one of those convertable lenovo netbooks with a multi-touch screen... and W7 Starter. Jun 03 05:55:22 nice Jun 03 05:55:27 alhadi: one *nice* feature of W7 Starter is that multi-touch is disabled. Jun 03 05:55:28 #fail Jun 03 05:55:29 gabrbedd: Error: "fail" is not a valid command. Jun 03 05:55:40 ah Jun 03 05:55:58 The only benefit to W7 Starter is that it knocks about $80 off the price. Jun 03 05:56:03 i just hate windows/ full of bugs and errors, ppl are now switching to linux Jun 03 05:56:42 also in windows 7 you cannot run full fledged 3dMax or Autocad smoothly Jun 03 05:56:50 slows down system and hangs Jun 03 05:56:54 xp is mighty OS Jun 03 05:57:14 all business / home users are still using it with confidence. Jun 03 06:21:36 good night, all... Jun 03 06:52:30 i found using meego in handset is more interesting =) Jun 03 06:55:38 Morning, all Jun 03 06:55:43 morn jaffa Jun 03 06:59:22 Jaffa: i'm fairly sure 32$ license fee is FUD Jun 03 07:04:31 Yeah, I've never head that .. Jun 03 07:04:42 ~heard Jun 03 07:05:51 Also seems like a stupid price .. Jun 03 07:06:00 yes, why not 42$ Jun 03 07:06:05 that'd be nice and geeky ;) Jun 03 07:06:12 :) Jun 03 07:07:18 How come finland has .fi and uk doesn't :( Jun 03 07:07:35 .org.uk it is Jun 03 07:08:25 history Jun 03 07:09:11 I should find a sponsor Jun 03 07:09:55 Hey, have your name all over my website. Jun 03 07:10:00 Just give me money Jun 03 07:10:20 meegonetwork.org.uk purchased :) Jun 03 07:10:33 alterego, if uk is not working out for you feel free to move to fi :) Jun 03 07:10:40 Heh Jun 03 07:10:52 lol Jun 03 07:11:12 I can't I just bought the bloody domain now :P Jun 03 07:11:16 tampere is a nice place Jun 03 07:11:20 Maybe I can sell it to MeeGoExperts Jun 03 07:11:21 :) Jun 03 07:11:38 25 C in tampere on monday, hmm.. Jun 03 07:11:43 that'll be an unusual experience Jun 03 07:15:55 nothing unusual abou that these days Jun 03 07:16:04 weve got that quite often now in summer Jun 03 07:16:07 Heh Jun 03 07:16:22 ah, global warming ;) Jun 03 07:16:22 what else I can think of to advertise finland.. Jun 03 07:16:43 beautiful people, in general .) Jun 03 07:16:49 and smart too Jun 03 07:16:51 So I was thinking of getting MeeGo involved in internet enabled jukeboxes (for pubs & bars) and also those internet connected game things they have in bars. Jun 03 07:16:56 moonlight skinny-dipping? :) Jun 03 07:16:58 alterego: sounds like a good market Jun 03 07:17:11 Maybe even POS machines, supermarket checkout systems. Jun 03 07:17:19 Bostik, yes we have that of course and midsummer is near Jun 03 07:17:19 * lbt_hel considers buying meegonetwork.org.jm ... Jun 03 07:17:34 meegonetwork.org.jam? Jun 03 07:17:52 alterego: its yet another embedded thing to build from. so anything goes Jun 03 07:17:54 I hust figure the parties will be really good Jun 03 07:18:33 lbt_hel, in finland? Jun 03 07:18:58 :) Jun 03 07:19:11 in summer in finland is like the party country Jun 03 07:19:26 I am.... I was kinda hoping that if I bought the jamaican domain I'd get invites there too ;) Jun 03 07:19:28 in other 10 months of the year, not so much.. Jun 03 07:20:15 * jukkaekl is not typing under the influence though it might seem like that Jun 03 07:21:00 Heh Jun 03 07:21:16 Okay, setup my DNS for the domain, mail and www Jun 03 07:21:24 Maybe I'll setup gopher Jun 03 07:22:05 gopher brings back good memories Jun 03 07:22:32 Holy cow, it couldn't have started working that quickly .. Jun 03 07:23:15 "Welcome to The King William IV" :) Jun 03 07:23:42 sssh! Jun 03 07:41:05 hey guys wana ask something off topic, I looking for dlna adapter for non-dlna tv, any thoughts? Jun 03 07:41:37 a PC? Jun 03 07:41:37 : Jun 03 07:41:38 P Jun 03 07:41:54 hmm pc or mobile phone Jun 03 07:42:06 to share photos & movie to tv Jun 03 07:53:29 Aww, I remember a meegon under construction type banner Jun 03 07:53:41 With all the meegons with hard hats and stuff. Jun 03 07:54:44 it was proposed for R&D meego at least Jun 03 07:56:07 Hi Jun 03 07:56:17 installed meego , but no WIFI :( Jun 03 07:56:23 on wired and bluetooth Jun 03 07:56:43 how am i suppose to put wireless on this Dell Inspiron Mini 10 Jun 03 07:56:44 ? Jun 03 08:07:37 how to i upgrade packages in meego? Jun 03 08:07:40 whats the command Jun 03 08:11:24 alhadi: with zypper - check out "zypper --help" Jun 03 08:11:30 ok Jun 03 08:13:00 can i do dist upgrade? Jun 03 08:14:40 alhadi: google says "zypper dup" Jun 03 08:14:45 sure Jun 03 08:15:48 be prepared for it not work out :P Jun 03 08:17:26 i'm also more used to debian-based systems with apt goodness. although i have to say that i was surprised how quick rpm installs single .rpm files compared to dpkg installing single .deb files Jun 03 08:19:02 i have thought about writing a thin wrapper script so that i can use apt-get/apt-cache and the wrapper script will convert the calls to the correct zypper commands Jun 03 08:19:43 alias apt-get zypper Jun 03 08:19:59 hehe ;) you would at least alias apt-cache as well. for "apt-cache search" Jun 03 08:20:16 and i think apt-get update is like zypper ref(resh)? Jun 03 08:20:26 yup Jun 03 08:21:26 while we are at it.. when uploading something to the obs, do i need to have a separate .tar.gz file plus a .spec file, or is it possible to e.g. put the .spec directly in the tarball and just upload that? Jun 03 08:22:54 specs are seperate as it's packaging to a upstream release Jun 03 08:23:18 you can probably script your way out of that with osc plugins Jun 03 08:23:20 it's python after all Jun 03 08:24:04 in debian we have "native" packages for packages - no such thing for rpm/meego? Jun 03 08:24:11 no such thing Jun 03 08:24:55 hello Jun 03 08:24:58 thank you thp Jun 03 08:25:00 thp: occasionally you can cheat and not even have a tarball, but that usually means no subdirs Jun 03 08:25:04 http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.2_Wifi.html Jun 03 08:25:13 found out that there is a workaround to get wifi working Jun 03 08:25:24 just in progress , will let you guys know the result Jun 03 08:27:50 Stskeeps: another short q: is building directly out of a git repository possible? Jun 03 08:28:12 i.e. set up an obs project that automatically builds nightly packages out of a specific branch? Jun 03 08:28:23 or do i need to script this client-side? Jun 03 08:29:26 thp: yes, with source services, but it happens server-side Jun 03 08:29:35 and i'm not sure if david closed my bug on SS's yet Jun 03 08:29:56 thp git-buildpackage-like? Jun 03 08:31:30 thp: dpkg is overparanoid about syncing; use of something like 'sudo eatmydata apt-get install whatever; sync' helps significantly Jun 03 08:34:21 jrayhawk: that explains that, yep :) Jun 03 08:43:57 357 messages on my queue for nokia.com ... Jun 03 08:44:04 and still no response from postmaster@ Jun 03 08:44:14 any nokians about? Jun 03 08:45:17 lbt_hel: you know anyone who could reasonably contact the monsters in the basement doing nokia.com mail? Jun 03 08:45:56 hm, do nokia *defer* mail for ex-employees, or actually reject it? Jun 03 08:46:08 dwmw2: that's a good question Jun 03 08:46:19 I note all of these are to four addresses, one of whom I think now has an @intel.com address. Jun 03 08:46:27 while it accepts other mail Jun 03 08:46:51 can I give you four names in private and you can check my hypothesis? Jun 03 08:46:58 yes, sure Jun 03 08:49:14 Urgh, how to manage multiple twitter accounts O_O Jun 03 08:49:32 dwmw2, is this bugzilla mail? Jun 03 08:49:49 lcuk: no. mailing lists (linux-arm-kernel, linux-mtd, etc.) Jun 03 08:50:48 I mailed postmaster@nokia on Wednesday night (actually Thursday morning I think) and haven't got a reply. Jun 03 08:51:33 2011-06-02 01:20:46 +0000 1QRwab-0006eO-OS <= dwmw2@infradead.org H=i7.infradead.org [2001:8b0:10b:1:225:64ff:fee8:e9df] P=esmtpsa X=TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256 A=plain:dwmw2 S=1440 id=1306977628.8100.37.camel@i7.infradead.org Jun 03 08:51:33 2011-06-02 01:20:49 +0000 1QRwab-0006eO-OS => postmaster@nokia.com R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp H=mx2.nokia.com [147.243.177.58] X=TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256 C="250 2.0.0 p521KUYu031047 Message accepted for delivery" Jun 03 08:51:41 *that* message got through :) Jun 03 08:51:55 maybe it is like people on vacation and mailbox full or something? Jun 03 08:51:59 i mean, it is stupid exchange.. Jun 03 08:52:28 it boggles my mind that people actually try to use Exchange for real email Jun 03 08:52:32 YAY Jun 03 08:52:35 got my wifi working Jun 03 08:52:37 :) Jun 03 08:52:42 dwmw2: intel has that too, though? Jun 03 08:52:47 yes :( Jun 03 08:52:57 i guess linux.intel.com is then non-exchange Jun 03 08:53:11 which is why I've been giving Intel peeps alternative, *functional* email addresses for the last decade so that they can do their day job. Jun 03 08:53:15 correct Jun 03 08:53:56 hehe Jun 03 08:54:45 ;[ Jun 03 09:02:03 ..and we have Mong built on the OBS.. http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/thp/ (probably only makes sense on meego tablet, though) Jun 03 09:03:30 cool Jun 03 09:04:00 one target failed, but obs tells me that rpmbuild and such are missing, so i guess that's a builder problem Jun 03 09:04:44 meego_current_Core with armv8el Jun 03 09:05:54 thp: I need to do some cleanup there. Jun 03 09:06:21 thp: That is bascially old stuff. Which needs to be removed. Jun 03 09:09:19 Jaffa: http://www.meegonetwork.org.uk Jun 03 09:12:02 gents, how can i install mp3 plugin? Jun 03 09:12:10 seems that it wont play mp3 at all Jun 03 09:14:26 * alterego wonders what to base his network site on .. drupal, wordpress, something I build myself .. Jun 03 09:14:50 QML? Jun 03 09:14:52 ;p Jun 03 09:15:16 Teeheehee, yeah, I'll probably write a qml app :) Jun 03 09:15:29 seriously though, if you can do a flash to html5, why can't you with qml. Jun 03 09:15:48 ??? Jun 03 09:16:06 We need a webkit qml plugin Jun 03 09:16:21 To use object tags type application/qml or something .. Jun 03 09:16:26 Gtk+ dhtml back-end! Jun 03 09:17:11 surely the most future proof method of building the web is with an Visual Basic ActiveX DHTML Jun 03 09:17:16 I was actually talking to some Qt guys about that at meegoconf I'd completely forgotton Jun 03 09:17:40 lcuk: forgot: http://www.meegonetwork.org.uk Jun 03 09:17:54 i saw it a few posts up Jun 03 09:17:56 Ideas and input welcome, follow @MeeGoNetworkUK on twitter Jun 03 09:18:07 Got a facebook group setup too. Jun 03 09:18:17 alterego, you made a spelling mistake Jun 03 09:18:19 Anyway, I should probably do some work ;) Jun 03 09:18:30 lcuk: :S where?! Jun 03 09:18:41 lol j/k :P Jun 03 09:18:48 phew :P Jun 03 09:18:50 but I bet you looked Jun 03 09:19:01 I almost bought meegonotwerk.org.uk Jun 03 09:19:22 alhadi: mp3 is not included to MeeGo by default due to licensing stuff. you have to compile a couple of components http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=279 Jun 03 09:19:39 alterego, that would have been much better =) Jun 03 09:19:48 dneary_: http://www.meegonetwork.org.uk I need graphics and all that jazz, where are the svgs?! :) Jun 03 09:19:50 * lcuk dds up handset ux on n900-de Jun 03 09:20:29 I should probably email meego-community Jun 03 09:21:24 has somebody rried selinux with meego Jun 03 09:21:25 Or maybe wait until I actually have a site up ;) Jun 03 09:21:50 alterego: if you find a nice way to handle multiple twitter accounts, let me know. Tweetdeck seemed nice (jus tried out yesterday), but would be nice to hear of other options Jun 03 09:22:08 Stskeeps: back now ... mail still an issue? Jun 03 09:22:19 Ronksu: yeah, I'm thinking just seperate devices :P Jun 03 09:22:34 I'm gonna get some MeeGoNetworkUK stickers done. Jun 03 09:22:42 lbt_hel: think so Jun 03 09:22:52 ok will ask Jun 03 09:22:58 And some t-shirts Jun 03 09:23:21 I should get someone to look for sponsors for me actually. Jun 03 09:25:00 Why did I do this, now I've got even more crap to organie :S Jun 03 09:25:15 alterego: the curse of enthusiasm :) Jun 03 09:25:42 X-Fade: well as long as it's not a problem with the package it's okay Jun 03 09:25:44 I'm gonna hack together a facebook plugin or something to generate a list of events from the facebook group Jun 03 09:25:54 To show on the page Jun 03 09:26:05 At the very least that'll be useful for now. Jun 03 09:26:13 Stskeeps: phaeron knows someone... not here right now though Jun 03 09:26:44 If I were a meego vendor wanting to make a meego based project and sell actual physical hardware with this included, do I need to duplicate the entire meego site? (bugzilla, site, wiki, mailing lists etc) Jun 03 09:27:28 lcuk: no Jun 03 09:27:53 well supposing I wanted to create meego exactly like it currently is, but with mp3 codec added Jun 03 09:27:55 If I were a vendor I'd hope I'd already have bugzilla ;) Jun 03 09:28:13 I could not call it meego Jun 03 09:28:21 lcuk: generally just obs needed.. Jun 03 09:28:23 and mic2 Jun 03 09:28:32 alterego, many many companies have minimal web presence Jun 03 09:28:49 lcuk: I don't even have a personal website ;) Jun 03 09:28:49 got a bug, send us a real letter. Jun 03 09:28:54 Though I'm freelance Jun 03 09:29:21 as long as u own a fb acc Jun 03 09:29:30 u can start from there Jun 03 09:29:37 not really Jun 03 09:30:05 Heh Jun 03 09:30:23 create fan page.. lol Jun 03 09:30:36 lbt_hel: do you have time to add me (id tjyrinki) to public obs or will I bug x f a d e about it? Jun 03 09:32:28 Mirv: done :) Jun 03 09:32:52 lcuk: that's a good question Jun 03 09:32:54 is there any vendor who has to date managed to get over hte UX hurdle and create a whole UX + prerequisite apps for their machine Jun 03 09:32:56 I have the answer Jun 03 09:33:03 ooh Jun 03 09:33:05 lcuk: wetab? Jun 03 09:33:30 lbt_hel: thx, now I'm able to think of new stuff to put on my n900 :) Jun 03 09:33:38 what specific elements does wetab have in addition to the launcher? Jun 03 09:34:03 Stskeeps, is wetab a meego build though? Jun 03 09:34:11 I thought it was based on ubuntu? Jun 03 09:34:11 yeah, though not advertised as such Jun 03 09:34:14 it's meego 1.1 based Jun 03 09:34:18 or 1.0, i forget Jun 03 09:35:50 lcuk: so .. can you wait until I get back and paste about 4 pages of blah into the wiki? Jun 03 09:36:01 then help me structure it and edit it Jun 03 09:36:15 lbt_hel, for sure, just trying to start some discussion as usual Jun 03 09:36:40 sounds like a plan, but at about 3pm I am out for a bit Jun 03 09:36:54 calling back into manchester to see IntelRemastered art in the Cube gallery Jun 03 09:37:16 one of the MeeGo guys who I met and who is active on the forums is coming :) Jun 03 09:37:34 * lcuk will put calendar up on the gallery wall to see if people mistake it for art Jun 03 09:37:55 a living breathing evolving art piece. :) Jun 03 09:40:00 Stskeeps, http://digitalcamerabattery.us/blog/wetab-comes-with-an-open-operating-system-meego/ Jun 03 09:40:35 when they were announcing it, somehow they were running it based on Windows 7 Jun 03 09:41:11 but anyway Jun 03 09:41:36 hello everyone Jun 03 09:41:49 hope you are all doing well Jun 03 09:42:12 \o hello Jun 03 09:42:41 I have a question for the users of the IVI version. I am trying to use the embedded PocketSphynx text to speech but it does not seem to work. I checked the .xsession-errors file but it does not seem to be running... Jun 03 09:42:49 how is it supposed to work? Jun 03 09:45:11 moystard, not sure Jun 03 09:45:18 I did not even know the IVI had text to speech built in Jun 03 09:45:24 it has pocketsphinx Jun 03 09:45:35 well I gather that based on what you said Jun 03 09:45:35 it seems that PulseAudio refuses the connection Jun 03 09:45:39 I shall have to try it Jun 03 09:45:52 * lcuk has wanted irc to speech on this channel for a while ;) Jun 03 09:46:10 lol Jun 03 09:46:13 makes sense Jun 03 09:47:00 http://wiki.meego.com/Community_communication#IRC Jun 03 09:47:03 ask in #meego-ivi Jun 03 09:47:15 ok ok Jun 03 09:47:19 oh Jun 03 09:47:27 * lcuk never knew it existed and knows why Jun 03 09:47:36 explain :) Jun 03 09:47:55 it needs boosting Jun 03 09:48:11 what do you mean? Jun 03 09:48:13 * lcuk is not sure it is an official irc channel Jun 03 09:48:31 (the main channels normally have a few more people in Jun 03 09:49:27 yup, I have no luck. I know that the IVI version is far from being the most popular one... Jun 03 09:58:31 moystard, it is the fastest one though! Jun 03 09:58:56 at least until MeeGo Orbital Infotainment build arrives Jun 03 09:59:35 I have never heard of meego orbital Jun 03 09:59:36 :P Jun 03 09:59:54 ls Jun 03 10:00:17 I will just try to figure it out by myself Jun 03 10:00:26 or contact the maintainer of the package Jun 03 10:03:03 moystard, the Orbital build is only stalled waiting for beta testers Jun 03 10:03:25 the latest conference included a session building scale models of the orbital insertion technology (catapults) Jun 03 10:03:47 and tested using some rather annoyed feathered beasts Jun 03 10:04:24 moystard, feedback any info you find onto the wiki/irc etc please Jun 03 10:04:38 will do :) Jun 03 10:04:50 Is it a private beta or a public one? Jun 03 10:04:55 would be interested to try it out Jun 03 10:07:09 zypper does not provide the maintainer of the package :/ Jun 03 10:07:15 rpm -q Jun 03 10:09:49 rpm -qi does not provide as well Jun 03 10:09:55 gives complete information but not the maintainer Jun 03 10:10:06 sure that rpm descriptions in meego include the maintainer? Jun 03 10:12:14 hmm, maybe Jun 03 10:12:16 changelog otherwise good Jun 03 10:12:21 -q --changelog Jun 03 10:15:38 Yay, http://www.meegonetwork.org.uk/ Jun 03 10:15:45 Wrote a little integration into facebook events :) Jun 03 10:33:48 dd taking an ice age today Jun 03 10:34:33 oh Jun 03 10:34:55 mental note, actually press enter on the dd command line to let it start Jun 03 10:35:40 Hah Jun 03 10:35:42 Hahahah Jun 03 10:43:52 I should probably have a shower. Jun 03 10:44:05 shower, wassat? Jun 03 10:44:06 :P Jun 03 10:44:19 And do some proper work .. Jun 03 10:46:19 can meego run exe files? Jun 03 10:47:03 proper work, what is that? Jun 03 10:47:54 can meego run exe files? Jun 03 10:48:29 alhadi, i don't think so, but i'm not the smartest one in here Jun 03 10:48:32 I guess that you can probably use wine to run windows executables Jun 03 10:48:41 But only on Intel .. Jun 03 10:48:45 yup Jun 03 10:48:52 he never said windows executables Jun 03 10:48:57 he said exe files Jun 03 10:48:57 he said exe Jun 03 10:49:02 lcuk: yes ... Jun 03 10:49:02 moystard, does wine work with meego? Jun 03 10:49:05 I can rename a shell script to script.exe Jun 03 10:49:06 I thought he was implying windows exec Jun 03 10:49:08 Maybe dosbox then :D Jun 03 10:49:10 and it will run Jun 03 10:49:14 lcuk, :P Jun 03 10:49:21 actually Jun 03 10:49:24 it depends which kind of exe you want to run Jun 03 10:49:29 i want to install typing tutor :) Jun 03 10:49:34 sorry guys for the confusion Jun 03 10:49:47 hmmm, need to try wine some day Jun 03 10:49:52 its a portable Jun 03 10:49:57 :) Jun 03 10:50:02 aldWindows binary executables do not run in MeeGo Jun 03 10:50:07 since meego is a Linux based OS Jun 03 10:50:13 you need Linux binaries Jun 03 10:50:19 hmm Jun 03 10:50:20 or you need a virtual machine Jun 03 10:50:23 i see Jun 03 10:50:24 or an emulator Jun 03 10:50:36 moystard, extra confusion Jun 03 10:50:40 simplest is no Jun 03 10:50:45 but it is not the truth Jun 03 10:50:51 this is a biased vision :) Jun 03 10:51:01 (since most folks who want to run exes would not get emulator etc running Jun 03 10:51:03 it is better to find an alternative of your windows software for linux Jun 03 10:51:10 but if you have no other solutions Jun 03 10:51:11 sod that Jun 03 10:51:14 could work Jun 03 10:51:16 write it from scratch Jun 03 10:51:32 if you want to learn typing then open an IDE editor and learn to type by writing a typing tutor program Jun 03 10:51:33 :) Jun 03 10:51:47 lol Jun 03 10:51:53 its for my wife Jun 03 10:51:58 she dont know abc of linux Jun 03 10:52:04 I am sure it exists a few typing tutors apps for linux Jun 03 10:52:05 then get her to write a typing tutor application Jun 03 10:52:07 i recommend her for putting meego Jun 03 10:52:11 meego my fav Jun 03 10:52:17 hmm Jun 03 10:52:24 she cannot write :( Jun 03 10:52:29 programming Jun 03 10:52:34 * lcuk is part way through writing a writing tutor program :) Jun 03 10:52:34 ?? Jun 03 10:52:50 alterego, ? Jun 03 10:52:51 alhadi, anybody can write computer programs Jun 03 10:53:01 the distinction is whether they compile or not Jun 03 10:53:03 alterego, Which SVGs? Jun 03 10:53:07 i have no clue for making it boss Jun 03 10:53:09 yes, I want to run the full microsoft word on my mobile phone too Jun 03 10:53:43 lcuk: I dig what you're saying. I wrote a basic program once and it didn't compile. Jun 03 10:53:51 vvaltone, then you can buy new nokia... i will be suprised if word not included ;) Jun 03 10:53:58 And then the same thing happened when I wrote my first Python program Jun 03 10:54:09 bye guys Jun 03 10:54:24 dneary_, :D Jun 03 10:54:43 lcuk: :-P~~~ Jun 03 10:55:03 vvaltone, or maybe they have some lisence for it, only 100$ or so... Jun 03 10:55:12 alhadi, my girlfriend learn to type using instant messaging Jun 03 10:55:23 dneary_, that's probably because gcc doesn't understand python Jun 03 10:56:13 iekku, I was rather thinking about running the desktop version of word on one of those x86 intel phones Jun 03 10:56:33 dneary_: don't worry, Texrat said he'd hook me up. I've started setting up http://www.meegonetwork.org.uk/ Jun 03 10:56:37 alhadi, if you have 2 computers in the house, just talking to your wife is simply Jun 03 10:56:40 simple Jun 03 10:56:48 ok :) Jun 03 10:57:05 her english is poor Jun 03 10:57:05 I am sure some others here will also talk to your wife too Jun 03 10:57:18 alhadi, but you can talk with her and help each other Jun 03 10:57:31 i help her Jun 03 10:57:42 \o/ Jun 03 10:57:45 i have a programming interview online right now, lets see if my program compiles :) Jun 03 10:58:08 Heh Jun 03 11:04:42 * Stskeeps stabs the stupid blog media for thinking meego has a 32$ license fee Jun 03 11:06:10 Stskeeps: you're saying that because you didn't get your cut :-P Jun 03 11:06:17 thiago_home: :( Jun 03 11:06:30 anyway, it's very frustrating to read engadget's comments Jun 03 11:06:31 thiago_home: on a sidenote, were you in the qt5 planning bof? Jun 03 11:06:39 at meegoconf Jun 03 11:06:40 no one gets anything there Jun 03 11:06:49 yeah, I ran it :) Jun 03 11:06:53 does anyone have notes? Jun 03 11:07:06 I do Jun 03 11:07:15 vvaltone, yathink? :) Jun 03 11:07:17 Stskeeps, where does the license thing come from? Jun 03 11:07:19 need to post them to meego-dev Jun 03 11:07:47 thiago_home: thanks - i'm starting to look at how 1.3, wayland, n900 and qt5 are connected for planning's sake so that stuff matters to me :) Jun 03 11:08:07 lcuk: techeye.net, the usual @@% Jun 03 11:08:13 summary is: track both 4.8+scenegraph and 5.0 for some time Jun 03 11:08:24 then around end of August make a decision which one to go for Jun 03 11:08:26 nice, 4.8+scenegraph exists/will exist? Jun 03 11:08:32 exists Jun 03 11:08:35 cool Jun 03 11:08:41 either way, it will be a non-standard version of Qt. A non-release. Jun 03 11:08:43 never heard of it Jun 03 11:08:47 so it cannot be the usual Jun 03 11:09:12 5-beta has more of what MeeGo wants, including getting rid of the widget legacy in the main libraries Jun 03 11:09:15 specific link Jun 03 11:09:29 but i guess not specifically needed for 1.3 Jun 03 11:09:36 but getting it releasable by October is a callenge Jun 03 11:09:41 challenge Jun 03 11:10:10 the scene graph currently runs on 4.8, but we'll start making changes that will break that compatibility Jun 03 11:11:31 we also agreed that this version of Qt will not be the default on the device. It will be enabled only for programs that have been tested to work with it. Jun 03 11:11:53 other programs will run with stock 4.8 on X11 Jun 03 11:11:56 ok Jun 03 11:12:07 i guess it's better than brutally forking Jun 03 11:14:23 hi. I'm trying to install the most recent pinetrail image to my brand new exopc, but I can't "klick" on the right-arrow-button in the bottom right corner after the live image got copied to the hard drive. I feel like I'm about to cry Jun 03 11:15:11 I'll file a but that's not a good idea to have crucial buttons in an installer unnecessary placed very smaller at the screen corner, but in the meantime anyone got a hint how I can solve this? Jun 03 11:15:27 clbr: bugs.meego.com is a good start Jun 03 11:15:57 I've used the bugtracker Jun 03 11:15:59 thiago_home: 5 already has the widgets split? Jun 03 11:17:38 It should be possible to mount the exopc to my desktop computer and write the image directly from there, but then probably the live image is contained in the installer image and not easily accessible from an OS X system, isn't it? Jun 03 11:18:24 clbr: if it's copied to the hd drive it should be fine to reboot, i would think Jun 03 11:19:15 Stskeeps: thanks for helping. Unfortunately it isn't (at least the one time a tried). the device complains about a missing boot system after reboot Jun 03 11:19:23 clbr: hmm Jun 03 11:19:33 Is there the live image availabe somewhere on OBS? Jun 03 11:19:46 without the USB stick installer package around? Jun 03 11:20:58 * alterego feels refreshed Jun 03 11:21:43 maybe I've got again faulty hardware and it's not an installer issue but something with the SSD drive Jun 03 11:22:31 or just unlucky - got a usb mouse? Jun 03 11:22:55 clbr, https://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook Jun 03 11:23:05 when using the power button, the console has ext-fs3 inode errors Jun 03 11:23:18 includes isntructions about image-writer wrapper program to create usb-disk image Jun 03 11:24:03 From the mac you should just be able to use dd to write the image to the usb flash drive Jun 03 11:24:20 lcuk: this is about writing the installer image to an usb stick, isn't it? I'm doing this since april successfully. Jun 03 11:24:43 I'm thinking about writing to the exopc directly from the Mac, skipping the Meego installer Jun 03 11:25:11 clbr, dunno, everyone I have seen installing meego uses a usb stick to bootstrap everything Jun 03 11:25:28 * lcuk has a MeeGo conf Dublin usb stick on his car keys Jun 03 11:25:33 lcuk: yeah, me too :-( Jun 03 11:26:02 the shamrock shaped keyring portion is better than any other usb key I have Jun 03 11:26:10 and infact makes it look like a real key :) Jun 03 11:26:23 clbr: what error are you getting? Jun 03 11:27:05 clbr: maybe you wrote the image incorrectly Jun 03 11:27:16 and my code does not compile :) Jun 03 11:27:27 recent (1.2.80) images have been completely broken Jun 03 11:28:08 Stskeeps: the meego installer successfully runs but then either hangs at the end of writing the live image or doesn't react to my "clicks" on the next step button Jun 03 11:28:19 I'll got through everything again and note the exact errors Jun 03 11:30:26 clbr: Don't have the ExoPC hardware ( :( ) but I doubt you'd have raw access to the internal storage Jun 03 11:31:02 When you say "internal storage" what do you mean? Jun 03 11:31:03 slaine: probably you're right. I'm used to this "target disk mode" Jun 03 11:31:42 leinir: he was wanting to write the image directly to the ExoPC internal flash storage Jun 03 11:31:52 i.e. it's hard drive Jun 03 11:32:47 Well, that should be fairly straight forward - the internal flash storage is just a standard unit :) Jun 03 11:33:02 might there be something wrong with the latest image 1.2.0.90.2.20110602.1 ? Jun 03 11:33:09 w00t: yes Jun 03 11:33:39 As in, it's just a PCIe SSD :) Jun 03 11:33:52 thiago_home: hmm :-) Jun 03 11:33:54 I wanted to check if bug #15472 is solved Jun 03 11:33:57 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15472 maj, High, ---, kai.chai, ASSI, Bluetooth: after system booting, hci0 is DOWN and unable to be UP (30% possibility) Jun 03 11:34:02 I really need to check it out soon Jun 03 11:35:25 leinir: but it's probably not accessible as USB mass storage device Jun 03 11:35:40 exactly Jun 03 11:36:08 Well no, it isn't - you have to take it out ;) Jun 03 11:36:31 clbr, have you tried an older image Jun 03 11:36:50 slaine: i will, just deciding which one Jun 03 11:40:05 I guess the one that was handed out at the SF conf would be a good known starting point Jun 03 11:40:21 you'll then verify if it's your process, the hardware or the image Jun 03 11:55:12 lbt_hel: guess what I'm developing the meego network uk site in ;) Jun 03 11:59:39 alterego, is the meego network site meego compliant? Jun 03 12:00:38 I don't know, I'm gonna wait until dawn comes online Jun 03 12:00:43 lcuk: do you mean my logo? Jun 03 12:00:49 alterego: it runs on a N900? Jun 03 12:00:54 Heh Jun 03 12:01:10 can I install office on your site? Jun 03 12:01:17 lcuk: in the absence of meegonetwork.uk (.uk tld) I chose .org.uk Jun 03 12:01:38 That's the only oddity I've come across so far. Jun 03 12:01:50 * lcuk finally booting up 0530 handset image Jun 03 12:02:04 after trying to see how far the tablet build works Jun 03 12:04:40 wow the n900-de theme pictures get better with each image Jun 03 12:06:40 alterego: :D Jun 03 12:07:08 alterego, surprise lbt by coding it in asm Jun 03 12:08:42 Well, if asm is anything like RoR ... Jun 03 12:09:12 I think RoR is actually harder Jun 03 12:10:38 So I'm doing a little list of things I want on the site: news/blog, photo gallery, jobs & opportunities, mailing list, member profiles, event aggregation, twitter aggregation, links to facebook group, twitter, etc. and sub-domains for cambridge, birmingham and london Jun 03 12:10:43 Though london doesn't exist yet .. Jun 03 12:11:47 I am going to another mini Manchester meetup today Jun 03 12:11:58 visiting the Intel Remastered exhibition Jun 03 12:12:52 +manchester :) Jun 03 12:13:13 i guess i have given chance to meego Jun 03 12:13:20 now i have to go Jun 03 12:13:25 thanks for who ever helped Jun 03 12:13:27 bye Jun 03 12:14:19 Wasn't there a guide somewhere on setting up your own OBS for meego, for internal builds Jun 03 12:14:26 I can't seem to find it Jun 03 12:18:07 anyone using gitorious for merge requests? For me, it often seems to get the wrong commit to merge. Am I doing something wrong? Jun 03 12:22:46 maxw: i think the ui seems to mess with merge requests sometimes by not including correct commit id:s when you view the diff Jun 03 12:24:13 hrm, so it might have been ok after all? I deleted and resubmitted - but it's not the first time I've had to do that... Jun 03 13:08:14 does someone know where intel graphics/linux people are? Jun 03 13:09:02 my gallium driver complains that it could not create DRM screen. Jun 03 13:09:09 and drops to software. Jun 03 13:09:11 Portland ? Jun 03 13:09:28 berndhs: too far... :) Jun 03 13:09:45 early in the morning there too :) Jun 03 13:16:44 Ans5i: are you using the latest intel driver stack + kernel? Jun 03 13:17:42 ah, saw the answer already on another channel. no, they're probably not interested if you can't reproduce it with the drm-intel-next etc. stuff Jun 03 13:40:18 How can I run meego in my qemu? I get an error that it cannot work without intel_agp or something Jun 03 15:08:27 Latest Tablet UX 1.2.0.90 image freezes on install Jun 03 15:08:40 Some interesting changes in the live boot Jun 03 15:09:31 fiferboy: yes, got the bug too Jun 03 15:09:54 would you file a bug? slightly busy this afternoon here Jun 03 15:12:41 clbr: Sure, do you know what I should file it against? Jun 03 15:12:59 Core? Pinetrail HW Adaption? Jun 03 15:13:28 Ah, found installation Jun 03 15:14:07 sounds right Jun 03 15:19:35 slaine: ping Jun 03 15:19:46 DawnFoster: ACK Jun 03 15:19:53 DawnFoster: in a meeting at the moment Jun 03 15:19:57 I'll be slow to respond Jun 03 15:20:34 Bug 18557 filed Jun 03 15:20:37 slaine: just wanted to send you the link to the Community Device Program application: https://meego.com/community/device-program Jun 03 15:20:37 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18557 nor, Undecided, ---, chengwei.yang, NEW, Installation freezes during live image copy Jun 03 15:20:59 fiferboy: great Jun 03 15:21:03 texrat is working on the blog post / mailing list announcement, but the program is live Jun 03 15:21:29 Ah, seems to have started working again :) Jun 03 15:23:56 DawnFoster: cool, thanks Jun 03 15:25:15 So my site aggregates events on facebook and shows my twitter feed :) Jun 03 15:25:27 Now for the blog ... Jun 03 15:31:00 alterego: so you set up yet another blog? Jun 03 15:31:04 :-p Jun 03 15:31:38 Well, it's the news section of this site Jun 03 15:31:41 So not really a blog :P Jun 03 15:32:14 hey guys, has anyone heard of any development on the ZOOM dev device from TI? Jun 03 15:32:16 DawnFoster: right, I've applied Jun 03 15:32:48 julienf: what kind of development do you mean? Jun 03 15:33:48 open source support on OMAP TI ZOOM dev device http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12013&contentId=53575&DCMP=wtbu_zoom&HQS=Other+PR+zoom2_technical Jun 03 15:37:05 julienf: i have a zoom2 like that Jun 03 15:37:35 julienf: we used to have maemo5 on there without big trouble Jun 03 15:40:33 I would appreciate some help with the following issue, I've been banging my head against it for a while now: I've got the meego 1.2 sdk installed in an ubuntu 10.10 chroot, and I've installed and set up the tablet 1.2 runtime, and it works in QEMU, but I can't ssh into it Jun 03 15:40:47 $ ssh root@localhost -p 6666 Jun 03 15:40:47 ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host Jun 03 15:41:12 does somebody have an idea as to why this happens and how do I fix it? Jun 03 15:42:20 Teo`: you could try ssh with debug flags.. maybe the ubunutu is blocking you. Jun 03 15:42:22 ?? https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11204 ?? Jun 03 15:42:25 Bug 11204 maj, High, 1.1.80.9, fboudra, NEW, "Deploy Public Key" in "Meego Device Configuration" generates authorized_key file with bad permissio Jun 03 15:43:00 oh Jun 03 15:43:06 you think it's a bad key in the image? Jun 03 15:43:06 or meego :) Jun 03 15:43:32 no, the key is fine. ssh is very particular about the permissions on keys, and will fail silently if it's not perfect Jun 03 15:43:50 this includes the permissions on the directory, and ownership Jun 03 15:44:47 uhm Jun 03 15:44:51 maybe I missed a setp Jun 03 15:44:53 step Jun 03 15:44:59 I don't even have .ssh/authorized_keys Jun 03 15:45:09 Teo`: you can also debug the ssh connection with -vvv flag btw Jun 03 15:45:17 Gonna install the Qt SDK on the exo .. Jun 03 15:45:22 This should be interesting. Jun 03 15:45:32 that's the one that gets setup if you hit "deploy public key" cept it gets setup wrong, or at least it did Jun 03 15:46:04 i'd try sshing via terminal first to see if this working as expected Jun 03 15:46:36 npm: so it should have been setup by the SDK installer? Jun 03 15:46:43 sometimes the first time you ssh, it queries to update known_hosts, or fails silently if it's not setup Jun 03 15:47:03 so setup manually by sshing in terminal, saying "yes" to update known_hosts, etc Jun 03 15:47:09 then try again from sdk Jun 03 15:47:19 might be that my keys are somehow different, since the .ssh is shared with my archlinux config Jun 03 15:47:26 and I'm sshing from the ubuntu chroot Jun 03 15:47:40 alterego: also nice: using the SDK on the exopc per x forwarding Jun 03 15:47:56 well then you need to setup a copy of your ssh creds in the ubuntu chroot Jun 03 15:48:34 npm: isn't it enough to copy over the .ssh? Jun 03 15:48:59 clbr: or ssh -f -Y meego@meegotab emacs --funcall shell Jun 03 15:50:20 Teo`: copy and make sure permissions/ownership are correct. Jun 03 15:50:46 well everything is owned by teo (that's me!) Jun 03 15:51:06 should they all be 644? Jun 03 15:51:13 some files are 600 Jun 03 15:51:36 you'll have to look at a working system or consult the man pages on that... Jun 03 15:51:52 I've never had trouble sshing anywhere else though Jun 03 15:54:31 um, Teo` shouldn't be having to do all this stuff. Jun 03 15:54:45 I think there's something else afoot. Jun 03 15:55:29 Teo`: did you try to logging in as meego@localhost? Jun 03 15:55:41 Teo`: Also, does nmap show port 6666 open? Jun 03 15:56:35 gabrbedd: sec, I'll try Jun 03 15:56:50 $ ssh meego@localhost -p 6666 Jun 03 15:56:50 ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host Jun 03 15:58:30 Discovered open port 6666/tcp on 127.0.0.1 Jun 03 15:58:37 gabrbedd: ↑ Jun 03 16:02:13 Teo`: My guess is that there is something funky with your setup. It sounds like you have qemu running in a chroot running in... something else. Jun 03 16:02:18 Almost done .. Jun 03 16:02:37 gabrbedd: it's running in an ubuntu chroot inside archlinux Jun 03 16:02:55 Teo`: Maybe this will help: http://edoceo.com/notabene/ssh-exchange-identification Jun 03 16:03:01 gabrbedd: I did it this way because my usual distro isn't supported Jun 03 16:03:08 gabrbedd: thanks Jun 03 16:03:32 Teo`: Bottom line is that it's some sort of server-side issue. Jun 03 16:03:47 gabrbedd: yup, that's exactly how my -v output looks like Jun 03 16:04:11 it's a completely virgin meego tablet 1.2 runtime image though Jun 03 16:06:06 gabrbedd: is there something I can do inside the image through the meego tablet environment? Jun 03 16:09:02 Must stop poking laptop screen like it's the exo .. Jun 03 16:09:42 must buy laptop with pokeable screen Jun 03 16:10:04 * TSCHAKeee old enough he thinks of something else when he sees poke. Jun 03 16:17:13 * newbie007 is young enough think of something dirty when someone says "poke" Jun 03 16:18:01 Teo`: So... you can't even interface with it through qmeu? Jun 03 16:18:15 gabrbedd: I can Jun 03 16:18:26 gabrbedd: I can use the UI normally in QEMU Jun 03 16:18:31 gabrbedd: I just can't ssh into it Jun 03 16:18:32 DawnFoster: thanks for getting the device program up and running. My application is in Jun 03 16:18:49 vgrade_: great, thanks! Jun 03 16:19:12 DawnFoster: at last a chance of a device with some MeeGo supporting drivers Jun 03 16:19:19 texrat is going to do more to promote it next week when we have a blog post Jun 03 16:19:34 Teo`: Right. You'll have to open xterm and diagnose it from the command line. Jun 03 16:19:41 we were keeping it low-key until we got a few applications in to make sure we didn't have any huge bugs :) Jun 03 16:20:15 DawnFoster: well my application went ok. How will the lucky few be chosen? Jun 03 16:20:27 gabrbedd: ok, I'm in xterm Jun 03 16:20:57 network works on 10.0.2.15 normally, I got connectivity Jun 03 16:21:20 vgrade_: selection committee / process documented in a crazy amount of detail here: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program Jun 03 16:21:45 basically, texrat, Brian Warner & I get to pick :) Jun 03 16:21:50 gabrbedd: hosts.allow is empty, not sure it should be Jun 03 16:21:52 DawnFoster: just noticed that thanks, should have known there was a wiki page Jun 03 16:22:07 Good luck vgrade ) Jun 03 16:22:08 :) Jun 03 16:22:30 vgrade_: your nick is familiar to me, you're the dude who ported meego to the advent vega, right? Jun 03 16:22:38 alterego: thanks, mate Jun 03 16:22:44 Teo`: yup thats me Jun 03 16:22:45 vgrade_: your work is appreciated :) Jun 03 16:23:15 Teo`: thanks, what interest do you have in Tegra2 Jun 03 16:23:46 vgrade_: I'm a vega owner, but currently I'm trying to set up a tablet env in QEMU because I'm porting Amarok to meego for my GSoC project Jun 03 16:25:01 ah ok, good luck with that Jun 03 16:25:23 eventually it would be cool if I could use the vega for debugging and stuff, but it seemed like a good idea to stick with the beaten path as a start Jun 03 16:25:25 :D Jun 03 16:25:31 vgrade_: thanks Jun 03 16:27:13 Teo`: /etc/ssh/sshd_config Jun 03 16:27:40 Teo`: also /etc/ssh/*key* Jun 03 16:28:07 Teo`: But I'm really suspecting your setup. Jun 03 16:28:36 sshd_config seems honest Jun 03 16:29:28 gabrbedd: keys seem to be binary files Jun 03 16:29:31 gabrbedd: is this normal? Jun 03 16:30:14 some have XMLish stuff inside Jun 03 16:30:52 nope, these keys don't look good to me Jun 03 16:31:48 I don't know how to copy text from QEMU Jun 03 16:31:54 but it doesn't looke like... a key Jun 03 16:40:45 hi, any idea why the meego sdk installer hangs at 34% for me? Jun 03 16:53:38 wow, got a bunch of meego-community emails all at once, apparently sent in previous days? Jun 03 16:54:12 Teo`: keys should be ASCII text. Jun 03 16:54:29 qgil: there was a problem with lists some days back and someone else mentioned nokia.com mail has been deferring mails on SMTP level Jun 03 16:55:08 * qgil wonders if he will ever find the IRC channel where Stskeeps doesn't have the answer ;) Jun 03 16:55:29 gabrbedd: then that's what's borked, though I don't know why Jun 03 16:55:55 qgil: #qt-lighthouse and #wayland i'm an utter amateur in ;) Jun 03 16:56:15 he Jun 03 16:56:19 gabrbedd: for example, ssh_host_dsa_key is binary Jun 03 16:56:45 and I installed the image throught the SDK installer, that's all Jun 03 16:56:50 I'm gonna try and reinstall Jun 03 16:56:53 qgil: stskeeps is the oracle Jun 03 16:57:05 Stskeeps: is the sun Jun 03 17:01:42 qgil: btw, any ETA on when we might see the code for the terminal in the public? Jun 03 17:02:18 w00t: don't quote me since this is not my work but... during next week? Jun 03 17:02:29 cool :) Jun 03 17:02:45 w00t: Nokia-the-business is not holding it anymore, now it's just engineering time :) Jun 03 17:02:51 "just" Jun 03 17:03:06 *nod* Jun 03 17:07:49 Heh Jun 03 17:10:11 Oo, a terminal with OSKB would be most welcome Jun 03 17:13:05 Facebook emais are taking over my inbox Jun 03 17:13:12 fight back with IRC chatter or twittering please Jun 03 17:13:41 qgil, hi, I heard from mja_fin today about an interesting job posting near you Jun 03 17:13:55 * alterego wonders what tiitoo-hdmi-daemon actually does. Jun 03 17:14:10 I guess it is related to video output Jun 03 17:16:04 Well, I found the firmware on the internet. Jun 03 17:16:08 I wonder if that daemon is too. Jun 03 17:16:14 lcuk: You can turn off FB emails. Jun 03 17:16:16 heya alterego, lcuk Jun 03 17:16:16 I can't be bothered to untar that image or install it Jun 03 17:17:09 Hey RST38h Jun 03 17:17:16 lcuk: interesting, yes Jun 03 17:17:29 lcuk: no idea what is related about Jun 03 17:17:39 Does anyone happen to have that tiitoo-hdmi-daemon file? Jun 03 17:17:46 That they can email me or something :) Jun 03 17:18:07 Hi qgil Jun 03 17:18:25 hi there Jun 03 17:19:18 the weather in Manchester is 24°C today Jun 03 17:19:25 how is the weather where you are? Jun 03 17:20:36 20-23oC, windy, small cloud front approaching Jun 03 17:20:50 sunny, no snow Jun 03 17:23:08 20C or so, sunny all day - my test solar heater for 40l of water has nearly boiled it once. Jun 03 17:23:23 So I had to fill it with cold again. Scotland. Jun 03 17:24:46 SpeedEvil, that is what testing is for Jun 03 17:25:29 qgil, I found a way to combine learning skills for little Jake recently. would a more general version of this help your little one: teaching the time and reading and communicating it back to people :) http://liqbase.net/liq.20110531_223403.ciroclock_minutes_12h_time.scr.png Jun 03 17:25:53 Yeah - I was anticipating the tank isn't really large enough - I need to get a large buffer tank for storing low-grade heat. I'd really like a massive thermos for storing high temp heat. I shall control this eventually with a meego system. Jun 03 17:27:01 lcuk: nice! but we are still holding our kids off computers / mobiles as much as possible - there is enough pressure in the surroundings. later... Jun 03 17:27:49 qgil, indeed, this is just another tile on the at a glance wall mount, so combinig simple elements is not like computing Jun 03 17:34:41 will meego support and of the hildon-desktop stuff (previously maemo) nokia's n900 Jun 03 17:35:27 newbie007: please rephrase Jun 03 17:41:31 does zypper have an equivilent to installing build-dep of a package, like apt? Jun 03 17:42:03 qgil: my son (freshman in hs) is nearly finished with "Hello World" python book which he programs on his meego netbook (tho the book examples for linux expect fedora so its actually MeeGo + http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem ) Jun 03 17:42:37 ^^ http://www.manning.com/sande/ Jun 03 17:42:46 how old is your son npm ? Jun 03 17:42:51 15 Jun 03 17:42:55 gabrbedd: made it work, finally. I redownloaded the qemu image Jun 03 17:43:07 he's been running meego on his netbook since 1.0 came out, and prior, moblin Jun 03 17:43:09 gabrbedd: it probably got borked somehow, no idea how Jun 03 17:43:14 gabrbedd: thank you for your help :) Jun 03 17:43:16 Teo`: wow. corrupt image. hrm. Jun 03 17:43:20 Teo`: np! Jun 03 17:43:40 npm right, mine are 6 and 4, still in the "real" Hello World. :) Jun 03 17:44:06 well my son dropped his first laptop running linux at the age of 6 Jun 03 17:44:10 :-) Jun 03 17:44:36 and he used to have my SGI Indy all to himself Jun 03 17:44:47 priorities, it's all fine Jun 03 17:45:14 yeah, the real world is more important Jun 03 17:45:33 npm: http://www.flickr.com/photos/quimgil/5746625217/ Jun 03 17:45:54 but also the issue is that kids get addicted to games first and then think that's all they can do on a computer Jun 03 17:46:02 qgil, lol! Jun 03 17:46:18 npm, it IS all you can do on a computer Jun 03 17:46:22 take linux kernel for instance Jun 03 17:46:24 :D Jun 03 17:46:25 it is a MMORPG Jun 03 17:46:34 where people pretend to be developers or managers :P Jun 03 17:47:34 well that's actually what i was trying to get at w/ him, give him "programming addiction" instead of "game addiction" because otherwise all his computer creativity is taken up by minecraft Jun 03 17:48:12 what about design adition, writing adition... there are many things to get addicted Jun 03 17:48:25 npm: They are not exclusive! Jun 03 17:48:27 angry birds addition :P Jun 03 17:48:52 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGkkyKZVzug Jun 03 17:48:57 depends on the kid :-) Jun 03 17:49:17 "I'm going to uninstall java" is a major threat in my house :-) Jun 03 17:49:29 almost as bad as "i'm going to disable flash" Jun 03 17:49:47 as in "do your homework or..." Jun 03 17:49:54 npm, installing linux onto random devices belonging to my eldest was fun, especially with his nintendo ds Jun 03 17:50:39 i've appropriated his wii nunchucks for use w/ my meego lenovo Jun 03 17:51:14 I am quite intereste din the 9axis sensor data Jun 03 17:51:20 interested in Jun 03 17:51:40 thiago_home: here's what I'm really asking, the n900 has a lot of great programs gnumeric, abiword, nintendo, etc.. I'm just wondering if these will be available on meego Jun 03 17:51:49 http://nielsmayer.com/meego/wmgui-for-wiimote-and-nunchuk-via-bluetooth-on-meegolem.png Jun 03 17:51:52 putting a a set of those inside a robot cluster would give interesting data Jun 03 17:52:05 lcuk: 9 axis? Jun 03 17:52:27 lcuk: The nunchucks only have an accellerometer - for 3 axis - I thought Jun 03 17:52:46 Anyway - MEMs sensor chips are coming way cheaper Jun 03 17:52:54 see the image for what nunchuk data provided Jun 03 17:53:19 because when your practicing your ninja movies while upside down mid-way through a back flip... Jun 03 17:53:26 gyroscope,accelerometer,magnetometer Jun 03 17:53:33 although i hadn't enabled ir or added the nunchuk Jun 03 17:53:36 SpeedEvil, sure Jun 03 17:53:44 but I am talking about dedicated units Jun 03 17:54:17 i bet you can buy dedicated units for cheap on ebay these days Jun 03 17:54:20 :-) Jun 03 17:54:30 http://invensense.com/mems/gyro/mpu6000.html Jun 03 17:55:46 lcuk: Note that's 6 axis only Jun 03 17:55:56 lcuk: The other 3 are external Jun 03 17:56:08 yeah, note the wording and the system diagram below Jun 03 17:56:34 I don't think anyones done an integrated 9-axis chip yet. Jun 03 17:57:03 There are accel + gyro and accel + mag. But I don't think anyiones broguht togetehr all three in an inexpensive package yet. Jun 03 17:57:09 SpeedEvil, with many things, you need external components :) Jun 03 17:57:11 There are of course spendy IMUs. Jun 03 17:57:15 Sure. Jun 03 17:58:01 http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9757 Jun 03 17:58:07 And they are getting cheaper Jun 03 17:58:36 The above - $7 now - was 7 chips and $80 or so maybe 3 years ago. Jun 03 17:58:36 heh sparkfun are goto guys for many hardware hackers Jun 03 17:58:59 I was peeking behind the scenes at Intel Remastered digital art exhibit today Jun 03 17:59:17 and one of them uses an arduino for part of its processing Jun 03 17:59:22 Sparkfun are great - as long as you know that stuff is often cheaper elsewhere. Jun 03 17:59:52 SpeedEvil, many people I know do not mind the extra expense and rave about service from sparkfun Jun 03 18:00:11 Their service is mediochre from what I've seen. Jun 03 18:00:17 Lots of out of stock/... Jun 03 18:00:40 And 'breakout boards' with hardware errors. Jun 03 18:01:14 SpeedEvil: What place do you prefer? Jun 03 18:01:30 * lcuk hmms @ SpeedEvil Jun 03 18:01:32 * akk has had good experiences with sparkfun and adafruit Jun 03 18:01:46 There are no 'nice' places - they all suck in different ways. Jun 03 18:01:54 digikey, mouser, farnell, ... Jun 03 18:08:21 I've like SparkFun too. It's true that if you want large quantities or know exactly what you want to order, you can do better elsewhere. But that's their niche: not everyone is an EDA professional. Hell, just try ordering crimp connectors from digikey some time and matching the housings to the wire to the connectors... Jun 03 18:09:35 (and that's a real example: I had a motor with an oddball connector, took me well over an hour to find the right crimping hardware on digikey, and even then it was mostly a successful guess that worked) Jun 03 18:09:51 yeah, digikey is great for quantity orders or for ordering a bunch of ICs, maybe not so great for arduino-friendly sensor breakout boards. Jun 03 18:10:59 (and for ICs, there are a couple of great local places I like to support, if spending $3.15 on a handful of chips counts as support) Jun 03 18:11:47 I lack the patience to buy electronics out of bins in a brick and mortar. Digikey might suck, but I'd rather spend an hour crawling their site than picking through packages at a store. Jun 03 18:12:47 I find, for ICs, I have to do online research first anyway and make a list of part #s. Once I have that, it's just as easy to drive to a store and give them my list. Jun 03 19:23:53 akk, which store do you prefer? Jun 03 19:25:30 I order from adafruit or the local place (Action) if I can, then or sparkfun. Or sometimes amazon since I have credits there. Jun 03 19:44:05 hello everyone Jun 03 19:44:57 I'm starting a port of Meego for Tim Slice device with the help of Trim Slice team Jun 03 19:45:04 if anyone is interested ... Jun 03 19:45:25 count me in where iks this going on? Jun 03 19:45:46 the guys on #TegraLinux will also be in Jun 03 19:45:54 http://trimslice.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=147 Jun 03 19:46:24 I'll speak about that on #meego-arm too Jun 03 19:46:27 can the ts guys get some hardfp graphics drivers from nvidia Jun 03 19:46:40 * npm notes noncompliant device ( http://intellicom.se/linux_oem_hardware.cfm ) on http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program Jun 03 19:46:45 they will provide some drivers by next week Jun 03 19:48:21 npm: mhhh, great stuff, comes with linux 2.4 preinstalled! Jun 03 19:48:50 it's missing a display Jun 03 19:48:50 if anyone is interested ...We will provide next week LDK alpha RC with up to date display drivers - not perfect but the best NV has for now." Jun 03 19:49:00 oups Jun 03 19:49:08 "We will provide next week LDK alpha RC with up to date display drivers - not perfect but the best NV has for now." Jun 03 19:50:24 npm: since when is a 2.4 kernel compliant to start with :) Jun 03 19:50:34 chouchoune, but are they differnt from the ones, here, http://www.trimslice.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30&p=95 Jun 03 19:51:16 is GENIVI the same IVI that meego has? Jun 03 19:51:23 hi vgrade \o Jun 03 19:51:28 well that's just sw... i'd assume you'd drop meego on it, but no display hardware so you can do runlevel 3 only Jun 03 19:51:30 chouchoune, great news any way Jun 03 19:51:37 lcuk, evening Jun 03 19:51:55 vgrade: no idea, I need to ask them more informations Jun 03 19:52:58 vgrade: so if you're interested, could you reply to my message on Trim Slice's forum ? Jun 03 19:53:34 I would like to post on Meego forum, but I don't exactly know in which cqtegory to post Jun 03 19:57:22 chouchoune, community forum and also post to the meego-porting mailing list Jun 03 19:58:21 I fucking hate rar compression Jun 03 19:58:22 I'll add some details, I've been working MeeGo on Tegra2 here, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/TEGRA2 Jun 03 19:58:40 *cough* language Jun 03 19:58:56 * reed apologizes Jun 03 19:58:59 :) Jun 03 19:59:14 yeah reed, never say the word rar again Jun 03 19:59:22 now I know she's got a dirty word monitor. Jun 03 19:59:22 oh fiddlesticks, now I said it Jun 03 19:59:32 I have a real knack for glancing at #meego right when someone swears :) Jun 03 19:59:34 It picked up on him saying "rar" as a dirty word. Jun 03 19:59:42 I really don't have alerts for it Jun 03 19:59:51 :-) Jun 03 20:00:07 ok thanks vgrade Jun 03 20:00:13 Add me to the "more offended by rar than profanity" list. Jun 03 20:01:03 * gabrbedd starts working on a "You've Got Cusswords!" sound byte Jun 03 20:03:08 is anybody aware of an unrar package for meego tablet? Jun 03 20:05:55 No, but surely any old unrar binary from another distro will run. Jun 03 20:06:39 andyross, right, will try that ... Jun 03 20:06:57 and find a way to feed it to evince Jun 03 20:09:25 chouchoune, post added to your forum, sorry for the news Jun 03 20:14:06 vgrade: no problem, thanks ;) Jun 03 20:39:55 anyone know if rusty is around? Jun 03 20:40:06 * w00t forgets if he used a non-obvious nick Jun 03 20:51:50 DawnFoster: maybe you know? :) Jun 03 20:52:24 w00t: I was looking around for him earlier - I think I saw him this morning Jun 03 20:52:40 I think he has an obvious nick, but trying to remember for sure Jun 03 20:53:23 it's tough here right now. 2pm on our first really sunny day in a while & I think it's the last day of school for most kids. Jun 03 20:53:37 so the office is a bit sparse :) Jun 03 20:53:43 haha Jun 03 20:53:57 it's not urgent, I guess I'll just keep an eye out Jun 03 20:54:20 If I see him walk by, I'll let him know Jun 03 20:54:49 ta :) Jun 03 21:01:39 w00t: which rusty? Jun 03 21:01:42 lynch? Jun 03 21:02:34 gabrbedd: yes Jun 03 21:03:03 w00t: I thought his nic was 'rustylynch`, and that he didn't frequent IRC much. (at least not lately) Jun 03 21:03:32 ~rustylynch Jun 03 21:03:53 ~w00t Jun 03 21:03:53 w00t!!! Jun 03 21:04:00 haha. Jun 03 21:04:06 ~seen rustylynch Jun 03 21:04:10 rustylynch <~rusty@nat/intel/x-bclpriulwkstidvp> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 55d 21h 7m 40s ago, saying: 'alterego: thnx'. Jun 03 21:04:14 ah. thanks. Jun 03 21:04:20 meh Jun 03 21:04:27 ha Jun 03 21:04:41 he's usually pretty responsive to email, tho Jun 03 21:05:15 yes, just frustrating.. i want to ask stupid questions, so the back and forth over email is going to add a bit of useless latency on top Jun 03 21:05:21 I guess I don't have much option though :P Jun 03 21:14:24 w00t, needs rusty? Jun 03 21:14:34 tripzero: kinda yeah Jun 03 21:14:54 * tripzero fired nerf dart in his direction Jun 03 21:15:05 ta :) Jun 03 21:15:10 (did you hit him?) Jun 03 21:15:49 not sure Jun 03 21:16:04 i had to lob it since i only see the top of his head Jun 03 21:16:11 hi btdrucke_ Jun 03 21:16:24 clearly you need a meego nerf dart with mounted cameras and wifi streaming Jun 03 21:16:32 special could probably help with that... Jun 03 21:16:49 you do not want to get hit by one of the cameras I have Jun 03 21:16:58 lol Jun 03 21:17:11 tripzero, g'day Jun 03 21:18:49 w00t, just wondering, what do you need him for? Jun 03 21:19:14 tripzero: meego-ux-daemon stuff.. trying to build latest master, and it's seemingly relying on some code I can't seem to find related to alarms Jun 03 21:19:18 he may be head deep in work. so far little response from "soft" notifications Jun 03 21:19:34 googling around has lead me to beliee it might be meego-ux-alarm(s) or something but I have no idea where that lives as I can't find it on gitorious etc Jun 03 21:19:46 w00t, ahh Jun 03 21:19:55 that code may not be available yet Jun 03 21:20:21 in fact, i'm pretty sure it's in the process of being pushed out, but hasn't happened as of yet Jun 03 21:20:55 heh... I was afraid of that, oh well, I guess I'll drop those patches for the time being Jun 03 21:21:05 git doesn't want to let me to revert it without a lot of hassle Jun 03 21:22:35 bummer Jun 03 21:23:08 somebody asked earlier how liqbase would cope when wayland comes around, how about an alternative question: how well would qt run inside liqbase? is it feasible? Jun 03 21:24:11 write a lighthouse plugin Jun 03 21:24:33 I am only thinking because of the 20% bandwidth saving for every frame Jun 03 21:25:17 thiago_home, I do not know enough of the qt side to know how to try that Jun 03 21:28:48 thiago_home, is lighthouse the defined way to enable qt to be ported to any new environment? Jun 03 21:29:13 lcuk: yes Jun 03 21:29:50 w00t, and that would be fully compatible with qt apps written already? Jun 03 21:30:12 I know the whole OS level compatability issues are different Jun 03 21:30:12 lcuk: yes Jun 03 21:30:16 cool Jun 03 21:30:44 are lighthouse plugins difficult? is there a nice easy "So you want to run Qt on a different system" documents? Jun 03 21:31:29 I don't think there would be yet, since it's pretty new stuff Jun 03 21:31:56 there is a demo lighthouse plugin that just renders every frame to a qimage and saves that, which is a nice base for other things Jun 03 21:37:28 hmm Jun 03 21:37:48 there could be a lighthouse plugin that makes a movie of what is being painted then huh? Jun 03 21:38:35 yes Jun 03 21:39:08 but... i suppose i'd like to have it also paint to the screen... AND make a movie Jun 03 21:39:19 :P Jun 03 21:39:24 pfft ;) Jun 03 21:39:25 make a proxy lighthouse plugin :P Jun 03 21:39:27 mek, I gather new plugins involve latest git source and building qt itself? Jun 03 21:39:47 you'll need at least qt 4.8, yes Jun 03 21:39:49 or is it a real plugin in the sense you do not need to rebuild qt Jun 03 21:39:52 ok Jun 03 21:39:54 thx Jun 03 21:40:03 but it is a real plugin (if you built qt with -qpa) Jun 03 21:40:26 if I did not try and rebuild all of qt and just wanted to make a plugin? Jun 03 21:40:53 once you have a qt build with -qpa you can at runtime select what lighthouse plugin to use to run a certain application Jun 03 21:41:43 mek but does -qpa have drawbacks? Jun 03 21:42:18 I don't think the x11 lighthouse plugin has quite reached the same level of functionality as the native x11 window system support yet Jun 03 21:42:59 the lighthouse plugin is what is being used to deliver/build upon wayland? Jun 03 21:43:49 there is also a lighthouse plugin for wayland yes. Basicall the idea behind lighthouse is to get rid of all the #ifdef Q_WS_xxx and make it all dynamic at runtime instead Jun 03 21:44:06 (which is now implemented by adding another Q_WS_QPA (for lighthouse) to all the ifdefs everywhere in qt :) ) Jun 03 21:44:28 heh Jun 03 21:46:01 http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2009/10/02/introducing-new-port-of-qt-to-your-favourite-platform/ Jun 03 21:48:36 http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/31/lighthouse-has-grown-up-now/ Jun 03 21:48:43 http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/02/28/supporting-a-new-platform/ Jun 03 21:48:50 http://labs.qt.nokia.com/category/labs/lighthouse/ Jun 03 21:48:52 newer links Jun 03 21:48:57 that actually looks quite simple Jun 03 21:49:14 apart from the repositories changing Jun 03 21:49:19 right, but going back earlier means you understand the background too :) Jun 03 21:49:24 there are a nice bunch of tests examples already Jun 03 21:49:24 https://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/lighthouse/trees/master/src/plugins/platforms Jun 03 21:49:52 yeah w00t, I am just reading a bunch of things Jun 03 21:58:53 vgrade: just received a new message from Compulab (Trim Slice) : Jun 03 21:58:58 It is not the same drivers, it is developed by another team at NVIDIA having community and ChromeOS in mind. It was not released yet. Jun 03 21:59:43 but I don't know exactly technical details yet Jun 03 22:19:05 chouchoune, cool, please ask them about hardfp abi versions Jun 03 22:40:31 vgrade: yes, already doing this ;) Jun 03 23:32:03 anyone managed to play videos on the ExoPC with the stock MeeGo UI? Jun 03 23:55:41 * mikeleib looks for w0t Jun 03 23:55:45 mikeleib: the theory the expert I pestered about it had was that there's some interesting kind of bug going in in mcompositor / Qt interaction Jun 03 23:55:48 s/wot/w00t/ Jun 03 23:56:08 we have folks that fix mcompositor bugs Jun 03 23:56:12 got sighting ?? Jun 03 23:56:20 so we could try go down the route of testing that theory by swapping out mcompositor and seeing if you still get a flash Jun 03 23:56:41 well, if there *is* one, debugging it is going to be a pain Jun 03 23:56:51 let me try find scrollback on exactly what was said Jun 03 23:57:20 xfwm4 is packaged up somewhere Jun 03 23:59:05 see query Jun 03 23:59:55 w00t: graphics flashing similar in nature to liqbase green flashes? Jun 04 00:00:09 lcukabc: not really Jun 04 00:00:28 ok just caught tailend of convo Jun 04 00:01:18 mikeleib: another possible idea.. QT_FLUSH_PAINT=1 ./my_application_here Jun 04 00:01:29 will flash Qt painted areas yellow Jun 04 00:02:31 hmm Jun 04 00:42:59 morning Jun 04 00:43:44 already? Jun 04 00:47:57 must... have... beer **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 04 02:59:56 2011