**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 07 02:59:57 2011
Jun 07 03:03:09 <gabrbedd> looks like the first half of the meegoconf videos are up.
Jun 07 03:04:53 <berndhs> real TV people would have put up the first half of each one, to be continued,...
Jun 07 03:06:05 <sofar> scary, a video of me... online
Jun 07 03:06:07 <sofar> YIKES
Jun 07 03:07:01 * sofar wonders if anyone rated his talk, and how
Jun 07 03:08:49 * gabrbedd rates sofar's talk as -3 FLAIMBAIT
Jun 07 03:10:21 <gabrbedd> Actually, I didn't officially rate it... but I think it was good.
Jun 07 03:10:30 <GeneralAntilles> sofar: which talk did you give?
Jun 07 03:10:39 <gabrbedd> GeneralAntilles: systemd
Jun 07 03:10:44 <GeneralAntilles> Aha
Jun 07 03:10:47 * GeneralAntilles didn't go.
Jun 07 03:11:32 <gabrbedd> sofar: Also, it was pretty cool when I was looking into the Linux Plumbers Conf., and the work that you an Arjan did on fast booting is being used as the poster-child for what the conf. is all about.
Jun 07 03:11:36 <gabrbedd> :-)
Jun 07 03:11:43 <berndhs> if you want your system to go down, there's nothing like systemd :)
Jun 07 03:12:19 <gabrbedd> berndhs: Yes.  Fast shutdown, too.
Jun 07 03:12:22 <gabrbedd> :-p
Jun 07 03:13:21 <sofar> first time I shutdown with systemd in meego I though it died
Jun 07 03:13:25 <sofar> THUNK
Jun 07 03:13:27 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, went to Qt5 Arch during that slot.
Jun 07 03:16:47 <berndhs> i'm going to sleep before the cheerful morning people get here
Jun 07 03:16:56 <berndhs> good night folks
Jun 07 03:17:03 <gabrbedd> sofar: :-)
Jun 07 03:17:13 <gabrbedd> berndhs: good night, sir!
Jun 07 03:38:13 <Stskeeps> morn
Jun 07 03:38:39 <SpeedEvil> Morning.
Jun 07 03:38:45 * SpeedEvil should go to sleep.
Jun 07 03:39:31 * SpeedEvil stops reading bq21450 datasheet.
Jun 07 03:40:01 <SpeedEvil> (you can't reliably just connect a bare li-ion cell to the n900 USB port and have it work well)
Jun 07 03:41:25 <iekku> morning
Jun 07 03:41:40 <gabrbedd> good morning
Jun 07 05:32:48 <npm> good for some value of time x
Jun 07 05:36:37 <npm> http://nielsmayer.com/meego/tab/meegotab-screenshots.html -- the good, the bad, and the glitchy
Jun 07 05:46:20 <wmarone_> GeneralAntilles: yes, stskeeps relayed the ifno
Jun 07 05:46:22 <wmarone_> info*
Jun 07 05:46:31 <wmarone_> which means the kernel still needs a proper port
Jun 07 05:46:53 <wmarone_> best would be scrubbing of all android-isms and actually pushing the patches/board files upstream
Jun 07 05:48:25 <GAN900> Yes, that'd be nice
Jun 07 05:48:48 <GAN900> A few people picked them up in SF, so hopefully there'll be manpower for it.
Jun 07 05:53:18 <Termana> morning
Jun 07 06:42:04 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jun 07 06:45:01 <amjad_> morning
Jun 07 07:06:58 <iksaif> mikeleib could you check the patch proposed here https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14844 ?
Jun 07 07:07:01 <MeeGoBot> Bug 14844 maj, Medium, ---, michael.leibowitz, ASSI, geoclue uses old connman service name
Jun 07 07:07:16 <iksaif> (and could this be fixed in an 1.2 update ?)
Jun 07 07:07:56 <mikeleib> this will be fixed in a 1.2 update
Jun 07 07:08:06 <mikeleib> I'll look at the patch tomorrow.. It's quite late here
Jun 07 07:08:21 <iksaif> right, thanks :) the patch is quite simple anyway
Jun 07 07:08:31 <iksaif> basically -connman +networkmanager
Jun 07 07:09:24 <mikeleib> wait..huh?
Jun 07 07:10:37 <iksaif> hum .. I must admit that I didn't check that meego is really using networkmanager .. but since it doesn't seems to use connman .. maybe it's just the conman dbus path that's wrong ?
Jun 07 07:11:30 <mikeleib> meego uses connman, but the service named changed since geoclue implemented it
Jun 07 07:11:38 <mikeleib> also, one of the interfaces it uses has disappeared
Jun 07 07:11:41 <iksaif> ah ok, then ignore this patch :/
Jun 07 07:11:46 <mikeleib> will do
Jun 07 07:12:23 <iksaif> I'll see if I can write a real patch this evening
Jun 07 07:22:32 <Zahra> DAMN! meego SDK not supported on Gentoo!
Jun 07 08:12:12 <mikhas> Stskeeps, ping
Jun 07 08:12:44 <mikhas> we need to know whether MeeGo Terminal is a reference app for MeeGo or not
Jun 07 08:13:44 <lcuk> mikhas, it needs to be put onto the build first to allow some wider testing?
Jun 07 08:14:45 <mikhas> lcuk, I wouldnt say it should replace xterm immediately
Jun 07 08:15:43 <mikhas> anyhow, we are a bit lost about the release engineering process, and how to proceed
Jun 07 08:21:28 <Greatgib> Do someone now why the meego repo structure was modified? and why the trunk disappeared?
Jun 07 08:22:06 <lcuk> Greatgib, link to where you were expecting it ?
Jun 07 08:28:56 <pancake> libmeegotouch-git build failed: widgets/mtextedit.cpp:991:16: error: variable ‘block’ set but not used [-Werror=unused-but-set-variable]
Jun 07 08:29:13 <pancake> it's using -Werror
Jun 07 08:30:07 <lcuk> mikhas, alterego just asked in -arm if the new term has even been submitted for inclusion in images
Jun 07 08:30:28 <Greatgib> http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.80/latest/repos/oss/
Jun 07 08:30:36 <Greatgib> avant c'etait : http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/repos/oss/
Jun 07 08:30:47 <Greatgib> s/avant c'etait/before it was
Jun 07 08:31:03 <Greatgib> so now, you need to switch the repo each time a new version come out?
Jun 07 08:34:44 <lcuk> Greatgib, could it be simply oversight?
Jun 07 08:34:52 <lcuk> ie, if you file a bug relating it can be cured
Jun 07 08:35:06 <mikhas> pancake, submit a patch?
Jun 07 08:35:28 <mikhas> release builds are not using -Werror, so that warning probably slipped
Jun 07 08:36:06 <pancake> im building with -w right now
Jun 07 08:38:00 <Greatgib> lcuk: ? ok, bug I don't think that it is a bug, repositories don't disappear one day by magic i suppose :p
Jun 07 08:38:58 <lcuk> Greatgib, filing a bug though (since something changed that you were using?) would allow that to be checked
Jun 07 08:39:22 <lcuk> it is no harm if you file a bug and it is closed as wontfix, usually you will get something important: a reason
Jun 07 08:39:27 <Greatgib> lcuk: ok. Anyway, you didn't heard about something like that before?
Jun 07 08:39:32 <lcuk> no
Jun 07 08:39:43 <lcuk> I do stuff around the n900-de
Jun 07 08:39:58 <lcuk> and am just a user on the netbook
Jun 07 08:40:05 <pancake> mikhas: do i need to report this unused var?
Jun 07 08:40:55 <lcuk> Greatgib, though missing repositories might have been part of reason for somethings I was looking at yesterday
Jun 07 08:43:49 <mikhas> pancake, might be better. otherwise I forget it
Jun 07 08:44:38 <pancake> which compiler do you use? this warning is new in gcc 4.6
Jun 07 08:48:20 <mikhas> a very old one :-)
Jun 07 08:55:48 <Greatgib> Hum someone did a bug that is related to my problem:
Jun 07 08:55:49 <Greatgib> https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13771
Jun 07 08:55:52 <MeeGoBot> Bug 13771 nor, Undecided, ---, anas.nashif, NEW, Add symlinks to "latest", "daily" and "weekly" persistant logical paths in the repos
Jun 07 08:57:20 <alterego> Comment on it? :)
Jun 07 08:59:11 <pancake> mikhas: where should I report this?
Jun 07 08:59:25 <lardman> morning
Jun 07 09:01:03 <arfoll_> can someone quickly confirm that on meego netbook we are using openGL and not GLES?
Jun 07 09:04:02 <lcuk> arfoll_, is there a command line to confirm it?
Jun 07 09:04:18 <lcuk> ie, how would people know how to let you know
Jun 07 09:04:48 <arfoll_> lcuk, I guess es2info would suffice
Jun 07 09:05:17 <arfoll_> you probably need egl-utils
Jun 07 09:07:32 <lcuk> arfoll_, on my netbook build installing egl-utils installs, then running elginfo says egl_dri2.so has missign symbol
Jun 07 09:07:35 <lcuk> missing
Jun 07 09:09:23 <arfoll_> lcuk, ok thanks, apparently it does work, but on my meego 1.1 netbook it doesn't
Jun 07 09:09:34 <arfoll_> guess I should install 1.2
Jun 07 09:17:59 <mikhas> pancake, bugs.meego.com? oh wait, you cannot report LMT bugs for 1.3 there
Jun 07 09:18:06 <mikhas> oh man, fail
Jun 07 09:18:12 <pancake> yeah, created account and preparing the report :)
Jun 07 09:18:18 <pancake> my first contrib to meego :P
Jun 07 09:18:22 <mikhas> cool
Jun 07 09:18:29 <pancake> kinda silly one, but still contrib
Jun 07 09:19:26 <mikhas> no dont say that
Jun 07 09:19:31 <mikhas> everything starts small
Jun 07 09:20:07 <w00t> soon, you're trying to figure out why the contacts application is screwing up the first contact it loads for 3 hours past midnight and cackling insanely
Jun 07 09:20:15 <w00t> (not that I speak from experience or anything)
Jun 07 09:20:55 <pancake> i cant find the correct category for the bug
Jun 07 09:21:35 <lcuk> pancake, every journey begins with a single footstep :)
Jun 07 09:21:36 <mikhas> pancake, would be https://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?product=MeeGo%20Touch%20Framework&component=Library&resolution=---
Jun 07 09:22:36 <pancake> ok :)
Jun 07 09:22:38 <lcuk> w00t, first contect is messing up?  did you follow starfleet protocols?
Jun 07 09:22:44 <lcuk> contact even
Jun 07 09:25:01 <pancake> grmf, ff4 is frozen again.. i will have to repeat the bug :/
Jun 07 09:29:29 <pancake> mikhas: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18664
Jun 07 09:29:32 <MeeGoBot> Bug 18664 nor, Undecided, ---, miroslav.safr, NEW, Build failed for libmeegotouch-git
Jun 07 09:56:44 <lcukabc> yayy daily testing image of n900-de is up
Jun 07 09:56:46 <lcukabc> http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.3.20110606.2.DE.2011-06-07.1/
Jun 07 10:08:47 <Zahra> raw image is about 200 meg smaller than 1.2.0.90.1!
Jun 07 10:33:29 <bkalinga> I have three .pro files all three crates 3 .so
Jun 07 10:33:59 <bkalinga> is it possible to put all them in a single .pro file to create a single .rpm file
Jun 07 10:34:25 <bkalinga> i am using meego-sdk-qtcreator to create .rpm file and install it to the QEMU
Jun 07 10:36:30 <bkalinga> i used    TEMPLATE = subdirs
Jun 07 10:42:06 <bkalinga> but the rrpmbuild folder getting created at three places
Jun 07 10:42:22 <bkalinga> how they will be merged to create a single package
Jun 07 10:49:00 <Jaffa> alterego: You're feeding the TMO thread rumour mill?
Jun 07 10:49:55 <alterego> :)
Jun 07 10:50:01 <alterego> Only a little
Jun 07 10:50:53 <alterego> Jaffa: did you see this "Hactivate" event in London?
Jun 07 10:50:59 <alterego> I got an invite for it yesterday
Jun 07 10:52:03 <mikhas> Jaffa, alterego: rumors? I just had lunch, I could need something funny
Jun 07 10:52:06 <Jaffa> alterego: I did. Not sure I'm that ethical
Jun 07 10:52:53 <alterego> Heh
Jun 07 10:53:09 <alterego> mikhas: I head the Harmattan device can self replicate.
Jun 07 10:53:13 <alterego> heard ..
Jun 07 10:54:10 <Jaffa> I heard the Harmattan device came back in time to stop John Connor being born
Jun 07 10:54:42 <alterego> I heard the Harmattan devices' CPU is a neural network, it is a  learning computer ..
Jun 07 10:59:24 <mikhas> Jaffa, well I heard that John Connor came back to stop the Harmattan device
Jun 07 11:00:42 <Jaffa> Explains why we're quantumly swapping between it being released, being the best thing EVAR and... it not
Jun 07 11:03:01 <alterego> Heh
Jun 07 11:03:10 <alterego> And there apparently being two devices.
Jun 07 11:03:24 <alterego> Maybe there's a bit of quantum entanglement going on.
Jun 07 11:13:28 <RST38h> No, no
Jun 07 11:13:41 <RST38h> Harmattan device is otherwise known as Satan's very own remote control.
Jun 07 11:14:14 <RST38h> That is why Elop is so bent on killing it: he is battling the forces of evil, for all the good faithful people of the earth
Jun 07 11:15:49 <bkalinga> anyone has any idea how to create an .rpm file from .pro file?
Jun 07 11:25:09 <bkalinga> meego-sdk-qtcreator generates a .spec file when i load my .pro file
Jun 07 11:25:21 <bkalinga> but I don't see Buildroot in that
Jun 07 11:27:20 <bkalinga> how can I change that path
Jun 07 11:27:38 <bkalinga> i want to give an absolute path like "/home/kalinga/projects/masterbuild-build-meego"
Jun 07 12:06:19 <pancake> MThemePrivate: pixmapChangedSlot - pixmap reload failed (null handle): "default_pixmap_meegotouch-button-background-pressed_0_0"
Jun 07 12:06:28 <pancake> where' meegotouch looking for the pixmaps?
Jun 07 12:07:39 <mikhas> gets it from theme daemon
Jun 07 12:08:22 <mikhas> pixmaps can be extracted from SVG's (multiple pixmaps) or PNG's (one pixmap)
Jun 07 12:08:45 <mikhas> check /usr/share/themes/{base,n900de,meego}/meegotouch
Jun 07 12:21:11 <lbt_hel> X-Fade ping
Jun 07 12:21:20 <lbt_hel> and Stskeeps
Jun 07 13:23:20 <pancake> mikhas: i already have meegotouch-theme installed, but meegotouch demo cant find those pixmaps
Jun 07 13:27:55 <mikhas> pancake, hum. is theme daemon running?
Jun 07 13:28:06 <mikhas> try with -local-theme
Jun 07 13:29:37 <pancake> uh? which theme daemon?
Jun 07 13:30:18 <pancake> same with -local-theme
Jun 07 13:30:22 <pancake> let me strace it
Jun 07 13:32:03 <pancake> btw, another strange thing, running the widgetsgallery with strace
Jun 07 13:32:10 <pancake> results in 3584 calls to getpid()
Jun 07 13:35:09 <lcuk> <lamikr> lcuk Do you have link for this thiago email considering the slowness?
Jun 07 13:35:09 <lcuk> <lcuk> lamikr, it was not an email, but in part he also wrote something up - just a mo I will find the conversation
Jun 07 13:35:09 <lcuk> <lamikr> lcuk thanks, that would be helpful.
Jun 07 13:35:15 <lcuk> <lcuk> continued into the next day
Jun 07 13:35:17 <lcuk> <lcuk> http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2011-04-01.log.html#t2011-04-01T00:03:11
Jun 07 13:35:19 <lcuk> <lcuk> myself, thiago, w00t and a few others
Jun 07 13:35:21 <lcuk> <lcuk> talking quite indepth about app startup
Jun 07 13:35:25 <lcuk> <lcuk> and thiago had many specifics of the qt stack already under consideration
Jun 07 13:35:27 <lcuk> <lcuk> app startup time is a known problem
Jun 07 13:35:29 <lcuk> <lcuk> thiago_home http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/12/04/moving-code-around/ and http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/12/05/moving-code-around-more-easily/
Jun 07 13:35:32 <lcuk> <lcuk> were good posts on the startup issues I recall
Jun 07 13:35:34 <lcuk> <lcuk> I went on my holidays then, for the next week many people did a ~seen lcuk :$
Jun 07 13:35:36 <lcuk> <lcuk> it said: "lcuk thiago_home, do kdelibs load faster then?"
Jun 07 13:50:20 <pancake> mikhas: ?
Jun 07 13:51:17 <mikhas> pancake, no idea right now, sorry
Jun 07 13:52:32 <pancake> whats the name of this theme daemon?
Jun 07 13:52:44 <Stskeeps> mikhas: you pinged?
Jun 07 14:00:39 <mikhas> Stskeeps, about MeeGo Terminal, and how to proceed with getting it into MeeGo. but you also got mail, so there
Jun 07 14:01:19 <Stskeeps> mikhas: for DE, just submit it - for MeeGo 1.3 trunk, need a FEA#
Jun 07 15:10:11 <lcuk> oh ubuntu you are so slow whilse IO isbeing performed
Jun 07 15:14:30 <mikhas> cant get past "waiting for root device" today, meh
Jun 07 15:16:06 <alterego> mikhas: try reflashing ..
Jun 07 15:16:23 <mikhas> yeah, did that several times already
Jun 07 15:16:27 <mikhas> even different image
Jun 07 15:17:04 <npm>  08:16:37 up 645 days, 18:51,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Jun 07 15:22:25 <thp> ARGH! someone please fix that annoying SSO bug with the wiki: http://bugs.meego.com/5230
Jun 07 16:28:54 <Stskeeps> morn arjan, finally getting around to watch the architecture talk :)
Jun 07 16:39:56 <talmage>  Who here has experience with QContactManager?
Jun 07 16:43:27 <talmage> I'd like to know if QTMOBILITY-1647 (http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTMOBILITY-1647) applies to Meego.
Jun 07 16:44:01 <Stskeeps> that'd be a good thing to ask pohly and co about maybe
Jun 07 16:44:51 <talmage> It's a question of the kinds imagery files that one can have as avatars.  On Symbian^3, QContactManager doesn't like PNGs.
Jun 07 16:48:20 <talmage> Thanks.
Jun 07 16:49:14 <w00t> talmage: it doesn't apply, no
Jun 07 16:49:32 <talmage> w00t: thanks.  Good to know.
Jun 07 16:49:58 <talmage> Obviously, I haven't tried it myself on Meego or I'd know.
Jun 07 16:50:08 <talmage> Working to remedy that!
Jun 07 16:50:29 <w00t> :)
Jun 07 17:20:46 * talmage away
Jun 07 17:38:35 <lcuk> the gpe mini browser in the n900-de is quite speedy
Jun 07 17:39:37 <lcuk> i cannot decide if that is because it is running well
Jun 07 17:39:49 <lcuk> or because the 3 toolbars are occupying lots of the space
Jun 07 17:42:36 <berndhs> lcuk: resize the web page display to 0 pixels, and benchmark that :)
Jun 07 17:44:13 <lcuk> that is not a good comparison, but loading and attempting to use browser (on newly working wifi!) was much improved ux
Jun 07 17:44:21 <lcuk> even loading the browser itself was faster
Jun 07 17:44:56 <berndhs> well, its still interesting to know how much is the display and rendering, and how much the rest
Jun 07 17:46:02 <lcuk> sigh, now after closing and reopening it it is not resolving web pages
Jun 07 17:48:14 <lcuk> I was now everything is loaded, the mozilla browser is performing
Jun 07 17:48:19 <lcuk> -I was
Jun 07 19:29:06 <lcuk> what makes gpe browser so much faster startup than the mozilla browser?
Jun 07 19:29:29 <Stskeeps> it was made for a ipaq, probably
Jun 07 19:30:13 <lcuk> it is quite a big difference, also it is coming up with gtk look
Jun 07 19:30:18 <lcuk> I gather it is gtk app
Jun 07 19:31:17 <lcuk> Stskeeps, how is TMP
Jun 07 19:31:50 <Stskeeps> warm as hell
Jun 07 19:32:14 <lcuk> lol is that the hotel or in general outside too?
Jun 07 19:32:44 <Stskeeps> outside
Jun 07 19:32:47 <Stskeeps> hotel is nice and cool
Jun 07 19:34:54 <lcuk> excellent
Jun 07 19:36:26 <lcuk> now I can put n900-de onto wifi I can take it out with me :)
Jun 07 19:36:39 <lcuk> start to see how much day/day
Jun 07 19:36:45 <Stskeeps> don't rely on it for receiving calls about labor having started
Jun 07 19:36:46 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 07 19:37:20 <lcuk> last bit does not make sense?
Jun 07 19:37:34 <lcuk> ahhh
Jun 07 19:37:40 <lcuk> from tracy :D
Jun 07 19:37:45 <Stskeeps> yes..
Jun 07 19:37:47 <lcuk> that is only a positive thing!
Jun 07 19:38:12 <lcuk> "ahhh phoey, I was in the pub enjoying a pint"
Jun 07 19:38:31 <Stskeeps> "n900de didn't notify me of your call, blame the team"
Jun 07 19:38:31 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 07 19:39:04 <lcuk> "see tracy, told you you should have commented and voted for bug 14474"
Jun 07 19:39:31 <lcuk> knowing her, she will file a bug after the fact
Jun 07 19:40:25 * lcuk looks for new baby notification popup
Jun 07 19:43:50 <vgrade> DE, delivery edition
Jun 07 19:44:22 <lcuk> vgrade, :D
Jun 07 19:44:43 <lcuk> we need to get Nokia N900 Push team involved! :P
Jun 07 19:46:58 <iekku> push up team?
Jun 07 19:47:20 <lcuk> not quite
Jun 07 19:47:55 * lcuk notes that this baby will be first to have complete digital record of driting and drawing :)
Jun 07 19:48:01 <lcuk> writing
Jun 07 19:48:02 <lcuk> doh
Jun 07 19:48:26 <gandhijee> hey, what would one have to do to port meego to a new phone
Jun 07 19:48:45 <lcuk> gandhijee, mention the model name to vgrade
Jun 07 19:48:53 <lcuk> he probably already did it in his sleep last week
Jun 07 19:49:14 <gandhijee> who is vgrade? do i just send him a msg
Jun 07 19:49:27 <lcuk> it was more a joke, what phone is it
Jun 07 19:49:32 <gandhijee> oh
Jun 07 19:49:32 <lcuk> and what does it run currently
Jun 07 19:49:36 <gandhijee> LG Vortex
Jun 07 19:49:37 <gandhijee> android
Jun 07 19:50:04 <vgrade> gandhijee, the new 3d job
Jun 07 19:50:10 <lcuk> Stskeeps, smile creating photo of the day http://liqbase.net/liq.20110607_185243.liqdesign2.scr.png
Jun 07 19:50:27 <gandhijee> ?
Jun 07 19:52:26 <vgrade> ah, not the 3d one, http://www.lg.com/uk/mobile-phones/all-lg-phones/LG-android-mobile-phone-P920.jsp?s_kwcid=TC|14994|LG%203D%20mobile||S|b|13645829133
Jun 07 19:52:39 <vgrade> googling vortex
Jun 07 19:57:49 <gandhijee> oh, not its a super cheap CDMA verizon android phone
Jun 07 19:59:03 <gandhijee> vgrade: its this one http://www.lg.com/us/mobile-phones/LG-VS660-Violet.jsp
Jun 07 20:00:22 <SpeedEvil> First.
Jun 07 20:00:30 <SpeedEvil> Find out if it's got enough storage/RAM
Jun 07 20:00:39 <SpeedEvil> Second - see if it can be rooted
Jun 07 20:00:44 <gandhijee> how much storage and ram does it need
Jun 07 20:00:50 <gandhijee> second part is already done.
Jun 07 20:00:57 <SpeedEvil> If it runs android 2.2 - then probably.
Jun 07 20:00:59 <SpeedEvil> Also.
Jun 07 20:01:11 * SpeedEvil is afk
Jun 07 20:01:25 <thiago_home> do you have a flasher tool? Do you know how to boot a custom kernel on that device?
Jun 07 20:02:55 <gandhijee> thiago: yes, and yes, but i haven't done it yet.  i was going to put gingerbread on it, then someone handed me this N900 and it seemed pretty sweet with the mameo os, so i thought i'd try meego on my handset
Jun 07 20:05:06 <vgrade> gandhijee, looks like from the specs ARM6 that is a device with a non supported CPU
Jun 07 20:05:42 <gandhijee> meego has no support for ARM6 is what your saying, correct?
Jun 07 20:06:00 <gandhijee> or the toolchain thats used to build meego doesn't support the ARM6 processor
Jun 07 20:06:01 <gandhijee> ?
Jun 07 20:06:11 <thiago_home> nothing supports ARM6
Jun 07 20:06:27 <thiago_home> I think you mean ARMv6 (which is ARM11)
Jun 07 20:06:37 <gandhijee> whoops
Jun 07 20:06:40 <thiago_home> but no, MeeGo builds require ARMv7
Jun 07 20:06:45 <gandhijee> yes, ARMv6
Jun 07 20:06:56 <gandhijee> thats kinda sucks =/
Jun 07 20:08:20 <andyross> Well, certainly something must support ARM6.  But yeah, MeeGo-on-Newton isn't gonna happen anytime soon
Jun 07 20:09:12 <SpeedEvil> Umm - why can't you simply recompile?
Jun 07 20:09:21 <thiago_home> andyross: take a look at the list here: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qsignalmapper.html#setMapping-4
Jun 07 20:09:40 <thiago_home> ARM6 processors got all the way to 33 MHz
Jun 07 20:10:09 * andyross was mostly making a joke about the Newon.   He knows :)
Jun 07 20:10:24 <gandhijee> how can i find out what video processor this thing has?
Jun 07 20:11:03 <thiago_home> gandhijee: you can recompile, yes
Jun 07 20:11:09 <SpeedEvil> I don't believe it's running ARM6
Jun 07 20:11:11 <thiago_home> do you want to recompile the entire operating system?
Jun 07 20:11:12 <SpeedEvil> On android 2.2
Jun 07 20:11:18 <gandhijee> its ARMv6
Jun 07 20:11:27 <gandhijee> Processor	: ARMv6-compatible processor rev 5 (v6l)
Jun 07 20:12:52 <SpeedEvil> armv6 means ARM11
Jun 07 20:12:53 <SpeedEvil> AIUI
Jun 07 20:13:22 <thiago_home> yes
Jun 07 20:14:01 <andyross> ARMn are circuit designs, armvN are instruction architecture standards.  In a few cases  there have been competing implementations(StrongARM/XScale weren't from ARM ltd)
Jun 07 20:17:46 <thiago_home> the problem I have in ARM is that ARMv6 has no SMP support
Jun 07 20:18:08 <thiago_home> the way SMP support was made for ARMv7 requires a new instruction that wasn't present in ARMv6
Jun 07 20:18:20 <thiago_home> so the conclusion is that it's impossible to write SMP-safe code for ARMv6
Jun 07 20:18:44 <gandhijee> are there even any multicore ARMv6 procs?
Jun 07 20:18:57 <thiago_home> no
Jun 07 20:19:06 <thiago_home> there aren't, so it isn't a problem for ARMv6
Jun 07 20:19:18 <thiago_home> it's only a problem if you want to run ARMv6 code on a Cortex-A9
Jun 07 20:20:11 <LoneWolf_> there's kernel helper for dealing with that though
Jun 07 20:20:27 <thiago_home> yes, the EABI one
Jun 07 20:20:46 <thiago_home> Qt has hand-written assembly though to make it slightly faster and smaller code
Jun 07 20:21:12 <thiago_home> which means that any code compiled with Qt for ARMv6 is by definition not SMP-safe
Jun 07 20:32:45 <vgrade> gandhijee, meego was built in the early days for armv5tel which could run on your device (slowly) but this was depreciated at Meego 1.0.
Jun 07 20:34:09 <SpeedEvil> vgrade: See above comments
Jun 07 20:35:17 <SpeedEvil> armv6 will not be shipping in any newly released product.
Jun 07 20:35:22 <SpeedEvil> ^mass market)
Jun 07 20:35:38 <SpeedEvil> Well - maybe routers
Jun 07 20:35:48 <thiago_home> routers are mostly MIPS
Jun 07 20:35:55 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Jun 07 20:36:19 * SpeedEvil wishes he could make a mips toolchain easily.
Jun 07 20:36:31 * CosmoHill points to cross-lfs
Jun 07 20:37:52 <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately, the target is a fairly old linux, on an odd libc
Jun 07 20:38:47 * CosmoHill points to the old releases on the cross-lfs site
Jun 07 20:38:53 <gandhijee> how do i go about figuring out what GFx core i have i this phone?
Jun 07 20:39:14 <CosmoHill> gandhijee: "lspci" ?
Jun 07 20:39:27 <gandhijee> nope
Jun 07 20:39:44 <vgrade> gandhijee, arduino 200
Jun 07 20:39:47 <gandhijee> that won't work, i servery doubt my phone has a PCI bus
Jun 07 20:40:03 <gandhijee> oh.
Jun 07 20:40:06 <gandhijee> thanks vgrade
Jun 07 20:40:51 <gandhijee> i guess what are the drivers for that, i googled for that fx processor. but i just get stuff about the arduino instead
Jun 07 20:45:48 <vgrade> gandhijee, No accelerated MSM/QSD qualcomm drivers for linux that why I think your MeeGo port is theoretically possible (if you rebuild the whole thing for arm5vtel) but will be so slow as not to be usable
Jun 07 20:45:52 <vgrade> sorry
Jun 07 20:46:26 <gandhijee> so how to they do the acc in android with that graphics core?
Jun 07 20:47:07 <gandhijee> i think i could use the android linux kernel with the meego userspace, no?
Jun 07 20:47:39 <thiago_home> yes, probably
Jun 07 21:37:07 <vgrade> gandhijee, see http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD. I've tried with MSM/QSD
Jun 07 21:37:14 <jykae> How to get use device's gps positioning in MeeGo program?
Jun 07 21:37:22 <jykae> -get
Jun 07 21:38:10 <jykae> any links or hint?
Jun 07 21:39:20 <berndhs> jykae: things like this http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1-tp/location-overview.html
Jun 07 21:39:27 <berndhs> dont know if that's the current version
Jun 07 21:42:40 <jykae> berndhs: thanks, want to create own tracker that collects info to gpx file
Jun 07 22:38:42 <espen77> if anyone updates the wiki, installing libreoffice on 1.1, you can get the menus and icons just by installing the RH menus that comes with libre office, but need to ignore dependencys.
Jun 07 22:42:44 <espen77> still cant install 1.2 (installer allways crashes)....hopefully there will be an option for upgrade soon...
Jun 08 00:06:55 <CosmoHill> night night
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