**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 09 02:59:57 2011
Jun 09 03:07:12 <Jay_BEE> hi.
Jun 09 03:27:22 <Jay_BEE> what's the latest known working pinetrail image?  booting  meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.0.90.3.20110607.2.img on the exopc slate does nothing
Jun 09 03:31:53 * Jay_BEE attempts again to write the image to the usb stick paying closer attention to the instructions
Jun 09 03:33:18 <Jay_BEE> ah...success!
Jun 09 03:34:54 <iekku> morning
Jun 09 03:42:08 <Jay_BEE> morning...
Jun 09 03:42:29 <Jay_BEE> bah... error after accepting to write the changes to the disk
Jun 09 03:45:15 <iekku> uh huh
Jun 09 03:45:28 <Jay_BEE> bleh... error title is 'storage activation failed' details is "'nonetype' object has no attribute number"
Jun 09 04:02:59 <Jay_BEE> ok... got it
Jun 09 04:15:03 <Jay_BEE> hmm.. progress bar is at the end during the 'copying live image to hard drive.' yet it is still not complete....
Jun 09 04:20:41 <gabrbedd> sofar: ping
Jun 09 04:24:35 <sofar> gabrbedd: ?
Jun 09 04:25:19 <gabrbedd> sofar: Out of curiousity... I started digging into the accelerometer on the ideapad...
Jun 09 04:25:30 <gabrbedd> sofar: and it uses the HDAPS driver in the kernel.
Jun 09 04:25:39 <sofar> didn't know it had one :)
Jun 09 04:25:56 <gabrbedd> sofar: Do you know if it's disabled for a Good Reason in the MeeGo kernel?
Jun 09 04:26:23 <sofar> probably unintentional
Jun 09 04:26:33 <sofar> I would submit a bugzilla against 1.3 for that
Jun 09 04:26:39 <sofar> pinetrail kernel
Jun 09 04:27:05 <gabrbedd> sofar: ok.  I'll probably try it out first... see if it catches fire or anything.
Jun 09 04:27:15 <gabrbedd> sofar: thanks!
Jun 09 04:27:53 <Jay_BEE> hmm.. this isn't good...still in 'copying live image...' phase
Jun 09 04:28:07 <gabrbedd> sofar: BTW, the accelerometer is tied to the hard drive... part of that feature that shuts down hard drives if you drop them.
Jun 09 04:28:28 <gabrbedd> Jay_BEE: You're right... it's not good.  Are you still in a graphical screen?
Jun 09 04:28:38 <gabrbedd> Or at a terminal?
Jun 09 04:28:45 <Jay_BEE> graphical
Jun 09 04:29:17 <gabrbedd> Jay_BEE: If you hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 do you see scary messages?
Jun 09 04:29:27 <Jay_BEE> trying it...
Jun 09 04:31:12 <Jay_BEE> a bunch of stuff that displayed prior to beginning the graphical installer followed by . "XX:XX:XX Starting graphical installation..." and 'btrfs' on the next line
Jun 09 04:32:06 <Jay_BEE> nothing scary looking
Jun 09 04:32:32 <gabrbedd> Jay_BEE: What kind of partitioning scheme did you do?
Jun 09 04:34:17 <Jay_BEE> win 7 was already installed, I told meego installer to remove the existing swap drive and it created an extended partition with /boot, /swap and free space
Jun 09 04:35:03 <gabrbedd> Jay_BEE: How big was /boot and /swap and / ?
Jun 09 04:35:20 <Jay_BEE> unfortunately i did not take note of that
Jun 09 04:35:52 <Jay_BEE> if memory serves me I believe /boot was 250mb
Jun 09 04:36:12 <Jay_BEE> swap was 1.7gb and / should have been around 28gb
Jun 09 04:37:05 <Jay_BEE> how do i get back to the graphical screen after pressing ctrl+alt+f1
Jun 09 04:37:17 <gabrbedd> Ctrl+Alt+F2
Jun 09 04:37:32 <gabrbedd> or F3 or F4... if that fails.
Jun 09 04:37:36 <gabrbedd> :-)
Jun 09 04:37:43 <Jay_BEE> heh...
Jun 09 04:38:01 <gabrbedd> If you can hit the back button to look at the partition layout... that would be super.
Jun 09 04:38:10 <gabrbedd> Otherwise... just hit the power button.
Jun 09 04:38:15 <Jay_BEE> oh...ctrl+alt+f3 has a bunch of interesting messages....
Jun 09 04:38:46 <gabrbedd> It either worked or it didn't... and not much can be done at this point without a reboot.
Jun 09 04:41:11 <Jay_BEE> hmm ctrl+alt+f6 has something... 'tune2fs: bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda6' 'couldn't find valid filesystem superblock.'
Jun 09 04:41:43 <Jay_BEE> ctrl+alt+f7 got me back to the graphical installer
Jun 09 04:42:23 <Jay_BEE> unfortunately the back button is unselectable
Jun 09 04:42:37 <Jay_BEE> rebooting....
Jun 09 04:48:31 <Jay_BEE> trying stuff...
Jun 09 04:50:00 <Jay_BEE> hmm... noticed a different message during 'copying live image..' phase... something about 'finishing up post something..'
Jun 09 04:50:08 <gabrbedd> Did you try to boot the new system?
Jun 09 04:50:16 <timoph> morning
Jun 09 04:50:22 <Jay_BEE> no, i restarted the installation
Jun 09 04:50:49 <gabrbedd> Jay_BEE: Did you tell it to reformat your new partitions?
Jun 09 04:50:56 <Jay_BEE> yes
Jun 09 04:51:22 <gabrbedd> timoph: good morning
Jun 09 04:51:35 <Jay_BEE> timoph: morning
Jun 09 04:51:38 <timoph> gabrbedd: o/
Jun 09 04:52:59 <gabrbedd> Jay_BEE: did the install hang again?
Jun 09 04:53:06 <Jay_BEE> yes :(
Jun 09 04:53:23 <gabrbedd> Jay_BEE: But the progress bar got all the way to the end?
Jun 09 04:53:33 <Jay_BEE> gabrbedd: yes
Jun 09 04:54:05 <gabrbedd> Jay_BEE: kill power and try to boot to the new system.  Maybe it worked.
Jun 09 04:54:12 <Jay_BEE> okies
Jun 09 04:54:41 <gabrbedd> Jay_BEE: There's a known hang where it doesn't power-off.  Maybe this is somehow related.
Jun 09 04:55:00 <Jay_BEE> it did power down.... turning it on...
Jun 09 04:55:32 <Jay_BEE> hah... booted into windows
Jun 09 04:56:36 <gabrbedd> The clock is about to strike midnight... and I'll turn back into a pumpkin...
Jun 09 04:56:42 <gabrbedd> So, good night all!
Jun 09 04:56:49 <Stskeeps> nite
Jun 09 04:56:55 <Jay_BEE> good nite and thx for the help gabrbedd
Jun 09 04:58:55 <iekku> gabrbedd, good night :)
Jun 09 04:59:23 <iekku> oh, wlan is working on the train, maybe i'm able to do some work
Jun 09 05:03:41 <Jay_BEE> guess i'll go back to an earlier image
Jun 09 05:24:33 <Jay_BEE> i believe the install is failing due to the existing partition layout... going to blow away everything and start from scratch
Jun 09 05:34:03 <Jay_BEE> re
Jun 09 06:22:59 <Jay_BEE> gah... still no luck... searching bugzilla
Jun 09 06:47:23 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jun 09 07:53:40 <Jay_BEE> ah known issue... https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18655
Jun 09 07:53:43 <MeeGoBot> Bug 18655 cri, High, ---, chengwei.yang, NEW, [REG]Fail to install meego 1.2.0.90 image
Jun 09 08:32:13 <Jay_BEE> ok finally up and running dual-boot win7/meego on this exopc w00t
Jun 09 08:34:58 <alterego> Hah
Jun 09 08:35:43 <Jay_BEE> had to go back to the 1.2.0.90.0.20110517.1 image
Jun 09 08:35:55 <mikhas_> meego-ux-daemon kept crashing, had to remove /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/sensors/libqtsensors_meego.so
Jun 09 08:36:08 <mikhas_> (running tablet UX on bleeding edge)
Jun 09 08:36:14 <mikhas_> anyone else seeing the same?
Jun 09 08:36:24 <Jay_BEE> mikhas_: running it on what?
Jun 09 08:37:01 <Jay_BEE> or let me ask what is 'bleeding edge'?
Jun 09 08:37:33 <andre__> the term "bleeding edge" stands for the latest, greatest, and unstable version that may eat all your data and burn your computer
Jun 09 08:38:18 <Jay_BEE> yes, that I do know, perhaps the phrasing is throwing me off
Jun 09 08:38:34 <mikhas_> non-native speaker here, so perhaps that explains?
Jun 09 08:39:22 <andre__> ah, k
Jun 09 08:41:33 <Jay_BEE> nothing crashing so far but then i'm not running the latest n greatest, it won't install for me because of the bug posted earlier in the channel
Jun 09 08:45:11 <oudeis> hi. i am trying to run meego 1.2 under virtualbox. found these instructions: http://fureidofort.blogspot.com/2011/06/meego-12-on-virtualbox-and-vmware.html. i have successfully installe the image -- now how do i boot into run level 3 when presented with the meego startup menu?
Jun 09 08:48:14 <Jay_BEE> gn 2 all
Jun 09 08:49:44 <lardman> morning
Jun 09 09:51:19 <summel> i guess the meego handset/phone project is dead? :o
Jun 09 09:53:57 <lcuk> summel, what gives you that idea?
Jun 09 09:54:11 <summel> there is no realse for the n900 of 1.2
Jun 09 09:54:15 <summel> it is still only 1.1
Jun 09 09:54:16 <summel> :S
Jun 09 09:56:12 <RST38h> Yea, the 1.2 handset release does appear to have slipped by 2 months now
Jun 09 09:56:38 <toninikkanen> http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900
Jun 09 09:56:41 <summel> *sigh* no wonder nokia is dead
Jun 09 09:56:52 <summel> all those promises they made for the n900 :/
Jun 09 09:56:57 <summel> :O
Jun 09 09:57:03 <summel> ty toninikkanen
Jun 09 09:57:18 <summel> do i still need an external memory card for isntallation? :o
Jun 09 09:58:06 <lardman> I thought the N900DE was a 1.2 release?
Jun 09 09:58:12 <toninikkanen> what, by the way, do you think Nokia promised for the n900 ?
Jun 09 09:58:27 <summel> meego
Jun 09 09:58:40 <summel> and it is still not here. after all this time :S
Jun 09 09:58:54 <toninikkanen> did they promise it as a end-user ready upgrade?
Jun 09 09:58:59 <summel> and i thought they said something about running android apps on maemo, but i could be wrong on that
Jun 09 09:59:00 <toninikkanen> if they did, url please
Jun 09 09:59:21 <summel> toninikkanen: iirc yes. the n900 was _the_ reference phone for meego
Jun 09 09:59:32 <toninikkanen> because this assumption keeps on popping up here and there but I can't find where that promise was made
Jun 09 10:00:01 <summel> i cant remember :o it was quite a while ago
Jun 09 10:00:37 <summel> and it is sad that there are no software updates anymore with all these bugs unfixed -_-
Jun 09 10:00:37 <Tumi_> sure it was an official statement, not a developer blog or similar?
Jun 09 10:00:52 <lardman> summel: There is the CSSU
Jun 09 10:01:01 <summel> Tumi_: they even had the n900 pictured on the meego front page :o
Jun 09 10:01:05 <Ans5i> that wouldn't look too bad either. http://www.mobiiliblogi.com/2010/09/09/talta-nayttaa-yhteison-suunnittelema-unelmien-nokia-puhelin/
Jun 09 10:01:12 <summel> lardman: thats not the same :/
Jun 09 10:01:24 <summel> the n9 looks nice but i wont buy nokia stuff anymore :/
Jun 09 10:01:25 <Tumi_> yep, sure, it was a reference device for meego
Jun 09 10:01:27 <lardman> summel: There is an EOL on most product support
Jun 09 10:01:39 <summel> but not like this :o
Jun 09 10:01:42 <Tumi_> wondering about the android apps running on fremantle
Jun 09 10:01:53 <toninikkanen> reference and reference, what does that have to do with end-user ready product promises?
Jun 09 10:02:06 <lardman> I share your frustration at the speed of the N900 Meego development, but I imagine there are reasons behind this that I'm not privy to
Jun 09 10:02:10 <toninikkanen> i only ever heard it was a reference platform for developers, correct me if I am wrong
Jun 09 10:02:12 <summel> lardman: what is meego de? :o
Jun 09 10:02:22 <Tumi_> toninikkanen: exactly right
Jun 09 10:02:28 <Ans5i> *sorry about link (language), pasted on wrong channel.
Jun 09 10:02:42 <lardman> summel: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900
Jun 09 10:02:46 <lardman> Developer Edition
Jun 09 10:02:56 <summel> toninikkanen: well then meego development is really, really slow :O
Jun 09 10:02:56 <lardman> was prepared just before the SF conference
Jun 09 10:03:01 <summel> lardman: ah :O
Jun 09 10:03:03 <summel> ty
Jun 09 10:03:34 <toninikkanen> as a developer reference platform it's been available for ages so i don't see how one could a) be disappointed or b) say development is slow
Jun 09 10:03:52 <lardman> toninikkanen: depends what you want to develop though of course
Jun 09 10:03:55 <toninikkanen> as long as nobody pulls out a "Nokia promise to provide MeeGo as an end-user upgrade to the N900"
Jun 09 10:03:56 <lcuk> summel, the N900 is a reference device and it is getting updates and improvements each day.
Jun 09 10:04:19 <lcuk> http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/
Jun 09 10:04:23 <lcuk> even with daily updates
Jun 09 10:04:46 <lcuk> for the first time yesterday, my n900 was able to actually connect to my complex at home wifi
Jun 09 10:04:47 <lcuk> :)
Jun 09 10:05:07 * lardman always knew lcuk had a complex rather than a mere house ;)
Jun 09 10:05:12 <lcuk> bug 14483
Jun 09 10:05:14 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14483 maj, Medium, ---, makoto.sugano, VERI FIXED, Settings Wifi Advanced are not saved
Jun 09 10:05:26 <lcuk> lardman, it needs static ips and dns and stuff setting
Jun 09 10:05:32 <lardman> lcuk: ouch
Jun 09 10:05:42 <lcuk> the default ones just connect to the router
Jun 09 10:06:41 <lcuk> lardman, historical reasons :P
Jun 09 10:06:57 <summel> lcuk: are the dailys somewhat stable?
Jun 09 10:07:25 <lardman> lcuk: no worries :)
Jun 09 10:07:31 <lcuk> summel, stable enough to consider how to handle data creation on the devices
Jun 09 10:07:32 <lcuk> http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DataManagement
Jun 09 10:08:28 <lcuk> give it a try and file bugs and try to fix issues and see for yourself
Jun 09 10:08:32 <lcuk> bowling game is fun
Jun 09 10:08:52 <summel> lcuk: i meant more like stable enough that it boots and i can use it for more than 10 minutes without it crashing :D
Jun 09 10:09:06 <summel> i hope it is not as slow as the 1.1 version was :O
Jun 09 10:09:58 <lcuk> summel, battery life is good, apps are working - enough to do comparison and noticing gpe mini browser was faster (but more rough) than the proper mozilla browser
Jun 09 10:10:27 <summel> the animations in 1.1 were way too slow (no hardware acc?) it was nearly unuseable :O
Jun 09 10:10:44 <lcuk> which animations?
Jun 09 10:10:49 <lcuk> tom and jerry?
Jun 09 10:11:02 <summel> opening the menu took ±10 seconds and such things
Jun 09 10:11:45 <lcuk> responsiveness has been faster in certain dailies, but it is not slow like that
Jun 09 10:11:50 <lcuk> hold on, just booting it
Jun 09 10:11:51 <summel> \o/
Jun 09 10:12:09 <summel> there are 5 folders in the images folder :o which ones do i need? :S
Jun 09 10:12:20 <summel> there is no description :/
Jun 09 10:13:15 <lcuk> handset acceptance is what I have a pile of images for
Jun 09 10:13:31 <lcuk> I never worked out a human readable difference between acceptance and sanity
Jun 09 10:13:38 <lcuk> (is there even a difference!?)
Jun 09 10:13:52 <lcuk> and the tablet builds are running the meego tablet ux for testing
Jun 09 10:14:03 <Tumi_> is the amount of memory on n900 still an issue with the MeeGo DE?
Jun 09 10:14:12 <lcuk> ok so I have the san fran background image
Jun 09 10:14:24 <summel> i thought it would be acceptance or sanity but i dont know whats the difference :o
Jun 09 10:14:35 <summel> also i cant find the correct flasher tool :/
Jun 09 10:14:39 <lcuk> summel, I have asked many times
Jun 09 10:14:41 <summel> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php seems to be for older devices only
Jun 09 10:14:58 <summel> 770 or IT 2006 SE(??)
Jun 09 10:15:13 <summel> uhhh it is PPC only
Jun 09 10:15:17 <summel> thats like 10 years ago :S
Jun 09 10:15:33 <lcuk> those are the flashed binaries?
Jun 09 10:15:34 <toninikkanen> ppc, what?
Jun 09 10:15:52 <summel> toninikkanen: im looking for the flasher binary for mac os (intel) :S
Jun 09 10:16:05 <summel> the only mac os binarys on that page are for PPC
Jun 09 10:16:17 <summel> and none of the binaries are for the n900 it seems >_<
Jun 09 10:17:05 <toninikkanen> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.dmg
Jun 09 10:17:14 <lcuk> summel, FYI, tapping the menu button fades the screen to the icons grid
Jun 09 10:17:15 <toninikkanen> is for x86 mac, was on that page
Jun 09 10:17:21 <lcuk> 0 lag
Jun 09 10:17:28 <summel> ty toninikkanen
Jun 09 10:17:32 <lcuk> by the time my finger has moved it does it
Jun 09 10:17:32 <summel> :O
Jun 09 10:17:40 <summel> then the wrong page was linked in the wiki
Jun 09 10:17:50 <toninikkanen> and was referenced from here, which i found googlin "meego n900 flasher" (first hit) http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC
Jun 09 10:18:03 <toninikkanen> I'd say this was easy enough
Jun 09 10:18:29 <summel> i got linked to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ and then clicked on Linux, Mac OS X flashers oO
Jun 09 10:18:37 <mikhas> which dev package provides QOrientationSensor?
Jun 09 10:19:38 <mikhas> can only be qt-mobility-devel
Jun 09 10:20:06 <phako> libqtm-sensors?
Jun 09 10:21:22 <toninikkanen> summel: from where did you find that link?
Jun 09 10:21:41 <summel> toninikkanen: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC
Jun 09 10:21:46 <summel> Get Nokia N900 flasher binary (flasher-3.5) from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com and put it somewhere in your $PATH
Jun 09 10:22:05 <summel> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ > Miscellaneous > Linux, Mac OS X flashers
Jun 09 10:27:16 <toninikkanen> ahh.. the correct link is on http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC  but not on http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC
Jun 09 10:30:01 <summel> :S forgot the usb cable at home :(
Jun 09 10:39:56 <smoku> Tumi_: google "alien dalvik"
Jun 09 10:56:44 * lcuk listening to James : Tomorrow
Jun 09 10:57:27 * lardman listening to Sibelius
Jun 09 11:06:07 <lcuk> James :: Sometimes :)
Jun 09 11:08:39 <lcuk> iekku, which pinetrail image do you need testing for the bug 14483 against
Jun 09 11:08:42 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14483 maj, Medium, ---, makoto.sugano, VERI FIXED, Settings Wifi Advanced are not saved
Jun 09 11:09:54 <lcuk> I just went into the daily testing folder and latest handset ia32 is not recent
Jun 09 11:10:13 <lcuk> so a specific download link to where you think would be helpful
Jun 09 11:12:14 <lcuk> timoph, I somehow missed you quoted the most awesome quote of all in your sf presentation
Jun 09 11:12:25 <lcuk> merlin1991 just highlighted it to me
Jun 09 11:12:38 <lcuk> slide 16 of http://sf2011.meego.com/sites/all/files/slides/meego_community_dashboard.pdf
Jun 09 11:15:07 <lcuk> thanks merlin1991 :)
Jun 09 11:15:56 * lcuk carries on expanding upon http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DataManagement
Jun 09 11:16:59 <lcuk> oo before I do, I took these screenshots last night
Jun 09 11:17:00 <lcuk> <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/liq.20110608_231640.tagcloud_system.scr.png
Jun 09 11:17:00 <lcuk> <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/liq.20110608_234327.mytags.scr.png
Jun 09 11:17:00 <lcuk> <lcuk> that is the tag cloud then the tags marked "smile"
Jun 09 11:21:38 <merlin1991> lcuk: for the accessing partitions part you might find http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3511 interesting (mounting of the maemo rootfs ubifs)
Jun 09 11:22:07 <lcuk> thanks merlin1991
Jun 09 11:22:29 <mikhas> stats lie
Jun 09 11:22:40 <mikhas> lcuk, p18 of that presentation is horribly inaccurate
Jun 09 11:23:03 <iekku> lcuk, if that's the one i commented to you, then yes
Jun 09 11:23:26 <lcuk> iekku, hm
Jun 09 11:23:43 <lcuk> since I have been trying this on daily they were not saving (I am sure I try every day)
Jun 09 11:23:47 <iekku> lcuk, de verification isn't enough if the bug is also found on "official meego side"
Jun 09 11:23:53 <lcuk> hm will see anyway it is nearly downloaded
Jun 09 11:24:12 <lcuk> I know, but the image is old I noticed
Jun 09 11:24:28 <lcuk> that was why I asked, give me a specific download link to the image it needs testing against
Jun 09 11:35:48 <lcuk> heh
Jun 09 11:36:01 <lcuk> the Museum of science and industry have a panel of archivists today
Jun 09 11:36:16 <lcuk> I just asked them how they handled cataloguing digital documents
Jun 09 11:36:26 * lcuk should ask if they store documents on MeeGo
Jun 09 11:36:34 <kuzak> dump them to a folder and run tracker? :)
Jun 09 11:37:00 <lcuk> kuzak, that is not proper archiving and safe storage really
Jun 09 11:37:21 <lcuk> what happens when you have 10 hard drives and your computer has only 1 drive slot
Jun 09 11:37:30 <lcuk> can tracker tell me to insert disk 7
Jun 09 11:38:08 <lcuk> or try with tape backup
Jun 09 11:38:20 <lcuk> "please insert reel 27
Jun 09 11:41:14 <lcuk> btw hi kuzak \o
Jun 09 11:51:01 <MooseTheBrown> Hi! Does anyone know where I can get the sources of udev, which is used in MeeGo? I found only udev-rules repo in gitorious, which contains a small portion of additional udev rules, but could not find udev itself there.
Jun 09 11:57:32 <MooseTheBrown> Or does MeeGo use the original unmodified udev from kernel.org?
Jun 09 11:59:21 <lcuk> MooseTheBrown, hmm IDK is the answer, which git url are you reading from
Jun 09 11:59:36 <lcuk> then track back and check the version number integrated into image
Jun 09 12:00:14 <leinir> MooseTheBrown: MeeGo policy is that all development happens upstream - if something is included that isn't upstream it's because patches sometimes take a while to filter through :)
Jun 09 12:01:40 <lcuk> \o leinir
Jun 09 12:02:47 <leinir> yo lcuk :)
Jun 09 12:03:24 <kuzak> lcuk, hi :)
Jun 09 12:03:56 <MooseTheBrown> OK, I'll clone the upstream repo then and hope it will work. Thanks!
Jun 09 12:07:38 <lcuk> lardman, I see a new mbarcode on maemo
Jun 09 12:08:49 <lcuk> I wonder whether osso-backup could operate on meego
Jun 09 12:18:26 <CosmoHill> for £360 I can have my website advertised in the independant
Jun 09 12:18:45 <CosmoHill> no idea why I'd want to do that or why I even got an email about it
Jun 09 12:18:57 <chem|st> CosmoHill: spam!
Jun 09 12:19:01 <CosmoHill> yep
Jun 09 12:23:21 <CosmoHill> kinda impressive tho, only ever had two spam emails on that account
Jun 09 13:05:31 * CosmoHill blinks
Jun 09 13:05:46 <CosmoHill> MeeGo considers nano a developer's tool?
Jun 09 13:07:48 <lcuk> where?
Jun 09 13:08:13 <CosmoHill> I installed meego-developer-tools pattern and nano was one of the tools in stalled
Jun 09 13:08:24 <amjad_> ??
Jun 09 13:11:25 <berndhs> CosmoHill: how do you do development without a text editor ?
Jun 09 13:11:48 <CosmoHill> I'd of expected emacs and / or vim
Jun 09 13:12:03 <berndhs> I think they also have gedit by default
Jun 09 13:13:09 <psycho_oreos> I guess nano was included because some people still couldn't change themselves from that windows realm where all the bits of command were shown below on the screen *snickers*
Jun 09 13:13:38 <psycho_oreos> well not that redmond UI had it
Jun 09 13:13:46 <berndhs> well, they perhaps want to accomodate the uninitiated
Jun 09 13:19:47 <CosmoHill> wtf
Jun 09 13:19:59 <CosmoHill> Online price: £55, in-store price: £30
Jun 09 13:20:19 <Tm_T> online taxes
Jun 09 13:21:52 <lcuk> every step we take draws us closer to a usable MeeGo handset.
Jun 09 13:22:25 <x_O> hi Im looking for image which is presented in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyrtMdyOHak exactly this one. Someone could help me with this?
Jun 09 13:25:25 <CosmoHill> you mean the MeeGo Tablet?
Jun 09 13:27:05 <x_O> CosmoHill, yes
Jun 09 13:33:15 <lcuk> Contacts Data transfer #Maemo to #MeeGo one step closer, we can see the contacts on #MeeGo now :) looking at how to import them. #progress       http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/78813488742531072
Jun 09 13:37:55 <lcuk> http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DataManagement#Accessing_the_Maemo_eMMC_MyDocs_partition_for_importing_contacts
Jun 09 13:43:34 <CosmoHill> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sif_cmdr/5813208661/sizes/o/in/photostream/
Jun 09 13:44:03 <lcuk> CosmoHill,
Jun 09 13:44:07 <lcuk> that is a massive laptop
Jun 09 13:44:12 <lcuk> no wonder it only gets 3 hours battery
Jun 09 13:44:19 <CosmoHill> look at the processore
Jun 09 13:44:24 <lcuk> the lenovo ideapad lasts (in tracys words) ages
Jun 09 13:44:27 <lcuk> or forever
Jun 09 13:44:41 <lcuk> so it is a leg warmer too
Jun 09 13:45:04 <lcuk> energy star conpliance: Will roast your nuts in 2 hours
Jun 09 13:45:08 <berndhs> well, people are getting wider, only reasonable to sell bigger laptops
Jun 09 13:45:29 <CosmoHill> so neither of you have noticed that it says Intel instead of AMD?
Jun 09 13:45:52 <lcuk> nope
Jun 09 13:46:47 <berndhs> so you're saying intel bought amd ?
Jun 09 13:48:22 * CosmoHill sighs and goes to get a snack
Jun 09 13:49:31 <ShadowJK> I've seen laptops claiming "built-in UPS"
Jun 09 13:49:41 <ShadowJK> I guess that's a hint about batterylife
Jun 09 13:54:37 <lcuk> Jaffa, would hermes import contacts if it was run on meego tablet or handset
Jun 09 13:54:43 <lcuk> or is it tied specifically to maemo
Jun 09 13:55:23 <Jaffa> Not until the Qt Mobility rewrite is written, no.
Jun 09 13:55:41 <Jaffa> It uses libosso-abook, EDS & Gtk+
Jun 09 13:58:55 <lcuk> Jaffa, and python
Jun 09 14:02:34 <thp> lcuk: python shouldn't be the problem! (hehe..)
Jun 09 14:03:23 <lcuk> thp haha yeah
Jun 09 14:22:49 <alterego> MeeGoExperts: ping
Jun 09 14:29:11 <MeeGoExperts> Hi Alterego :-)
Jun 09 14:29:19 <MeeGoExperts> Just got in ...
Jun 09 14:37:11 <jeremiah> With whom do I speak to get my MeeGo OBS password fixed? It stopped working.
Jun 09 14:37:25 <CosmoHill> jeremiah: X-Fade or lbt_away
Jun 09 14:37:33 <jeremiah> CosmoHill: Thanks!
Jun 09 14:37:37 <Stskeeps> jeremiah: build.meego.com? file a bug / mail tracy
Jun 09 14:37:44 <jeremiah> Stskeeps: Ah, okay.
Jun 09 14:38:00 <jeremiah> I should have specified I meant build.meego.com, not the community OBS. :)
Jun 09 14:38:05 <CosmoHill> ah sorry I assumed you were talking about the community one
Jun 09 14:38:12 <jeremiah> Stskeeps: Tracy Graydon right?
Jun 09 14:38:20 <Stskeeps> right
Jun 09 14:38:25 <jeremiah> thanks!
Jun 09 14:47:45 <lcuk> bah Tracy Graydon caused me to have to change gmail settings
Jun 09 14:48:12 <lcuk> I had a filter to send anything from my Tracy into a lovely folder and give it a tag
Jun 09 14:48:29 <lcuk> it worked really well for years until meego dev mails started being starred and stuff :D
Jun 09 14:50:59 <Stskeeps> time to get your wife a unique identifier
Jun 09 14:51:18 <alterego> Does he have that many he needs to guid tag them?
Jun 09 14:52:15 <w00t> you never know..
Jun 09 14:53:39 <lcuk> Stskeeps, yes
Jun 09 14:53:43 <lcuk> altered now
Jun 09 14:53:50 <lcuk> just amusing when it happened
Jun 09 14:54:05 * Jaffa just uses Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, ...
Jun 09 14:54:24 <lcuk> Jaffa, strangely enough, your wife said the same to me
Jun 09 14:58:46 * alterego considers modifying a bluetooth keyboard for wireless IO
Jun 09 14:58:58 <alterego> Well, sensors ..
Jun 09 14:59:45 <alterego> I'm thinking I could use one to stick a switch on all windows and doors in my house.
Jun 09 15:00:10 <alterego> I could use the led controls for relays too.
Jun 09 15:04:38 <alterego> This is part of my MeeGo based N900 home automation controller project ::)
Jun 09 15:08:41 <SpeedEvil> AsUmm - a bit silly.
Jun 09 15:08:55 <SpeedEvil> There are much better ways - 1-wire bus for example.
Jun 09 15:13:41 <alterego> Well, I could use a USB keyboard :P
Jun 09 15:13:50 <alterego> Bluetooth just means it's cheap and easily mobile.
Jun 09 15:14:22 <alterego> I'm just brain storming ideas, my first point of call is setting it up to control all my multimedia equipment via the IR port.
Jun 09 15:15:39 <alterego> Which will probably involve me wiring up a better IR emitter.
Jun 09 15:17:11 <RST38h> OMG, Stskeeps, you have broken the oath of silence and started answering to abill_uk's posts?
Jun 09 15:17:30 <RST38h> Isn't it ...mm...a grave mistake?
Jun 09 15:19:00 * ShadowJK still wonders if the ir emitter just needs a bit tweaking of modulation frequency
Jun 09 15:19:05 <ShadowJK> isn't it kinda big
Jun 09 15:19:14 <lcuk> RST38h, link
Jun 09 15:20:22 <alterego> Oh god
Jun 09 15:56:26 <lardman> lcuk: sorry for the slow response, was a long long meeting
Jun 09 15:56:59 <lardman> lcuk: re mBarcode, yeah I've had some time so have fixed some new functionality bugs
Jun 09 15:58:07 * SpeedEvil saw an update.
Jun 09 15:58:28 <SpeedEvil> A whole 3K to download?
Jun 09 15:58:30 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jun 09 16:00:29 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: I tweaked freq to no success
Jun 09 16:00:53 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: IR needs stronger driving, I.E. lower the series R
Jun 09 16:02:48 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: using a BT kbd isn't really an advantage in modility, when you're wiring it up to a multicore cable with at least 2 wires per window :-P
Jun 09 16:03:57 <DocScrutinizer> there are definitely better solutions that also are way cheaper than running a fat muticore cable all around your home
Jun 09 16:04:53 <DocScrutinizer> there are affordable battery powered 433MHz RF linked switches
Jun 09 16:05:46 <DocScrutinizer> using USB hostmode makes for a nice interface to peripherals on N900
Jun 09 16:06:50 <lardman> SpeedEvil: binary patches could be smaller ;)
Jun 09 16:07:02 <thiago_home> dneary: ping
Jun 09 16:08:18 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: IR_LED is powered by VBAT_LEDS... think of it and the implications
Jun 09 16:08:56 <dneary> thiago_home, pong
Jun 09 16:10:06 <DocScrutinizer> it's like [3.6 .. 4.2V] -> V1360_IRLED -> 55R_series -> C-E_transistor ->GND
Jun 09 16:10:18 <DocScrutinizer> 55R seems *huge*
Jun 09 16:11:09 <thiago_home> dneary: no need, you've joined
Jun 09 16:13:30 * slaine waves his fists at udev
Jun 09 16:15:32 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: that's a current of ([3.6 .. 4.2]V - V(fwd)_LED - U(C-E)SAT_V1361NPN ) / 55R
Jun 09 16:16:17 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: like, door bells? :P
Jun 09 16:16:37 <alterego> I suppose I could get a few cordless door bells.
Jun 09 16:17:13 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: those are specifically built-to-purpose window sensing switches
Jun 09 16:17:29 <DocScrutinizer> Reed-contact + magnet
Jun 09 16:17:46 <DocScrutinizer> in a convenient small case to stick to the window
Jun 09 16:18:40 <alterego> Oh right, well this is just me playing with what I've got.
Jun 09 16:18:46 <alterego> I.E. Not spending any money ;)
Jun 09 16:20:05 <DocScrutinizer> aah right, you got 80m of 16pol control cable in your attik
Jun 09 16:21:20 <DocScrutinizer> which btw is like $.44 / meter
Jun 09 16:21:30 <alterego> 80m, how big do you think my little flat is :P
Jun 09 16:21:49 <alterego> Also, I've got about 100m of Cat5 I can use :P
Jun 09 16:22:07 <DocScrutinizer> fair enough
Jun 09 16:22:09 <alterego> Which is, actually in my attik :P
Jun 09 16:22:25 <alterego> Anyway, I was exaggerating when I said _all_ windows and doors.
Jun 09 16:22:39 <alterego> I'm just playing with some ideas.
Jun 09 16:22:44 <alterego> The important thing here is the UX
Jun 09 16:22:49 <alterego> And the application code.
Jun 09 16:23:13 <DocScrutinizer> and I was just mentioning alternatives to help you make a more educated decision based on knowledge about available bits
Jun 09 16:23:38 <alterego> Which is appreciated :P
Jun 09 16:23:46 <alterego> But I'd rather work with the junk I have :)
Jun 09 16:23:59 <DocScrutinizer> sure, everybody does :-)
Jun 09 16:25:25 <DocScrutinizer> for your kbd revamp idea, keep in mind the controller isn't built to handle long cables with all the capacitive load and EMI they introduce, nit to mention ESD
Jun 09 16:26:39 <DocScrutinizer> except for that, it's a nice idea and has an attractive BOM/benefit ratio
Jun 09 16:36:00 <lcuk> alterego, for shits n giggles, use bluetooth mice or bluetooth keyboards left around
Jun 09 16:36:15 <lcuk> they all have multiple sensors and the computer is able to read them
Jun 09 16:36:41 <alterego> lcuk: I thought that, that was my idea?
Jun 09 16:36:43 * lcuk once built a double pendulum and used mouse sensor thingy to detect/import data about its position
Jun 09 16:36:52 <lcuk> nahhh that was years ago when I did this
Jun 09 16:36:56 <lcuk> before maemo
Jun 09 16:36:58 <lcuk> B.M
Jun 09 16:37:35 <alterego> I'm talking about using BT keyboard for sensors :P
Jun 09 16:38:13 <lcuk> idk
Jun 09 16:38:42 <alterego> Well, yes, that's what I'm talking about :)
Jun 09 16:38:55 <alterego> I found a load of cheap keyboards (bluetooth)
Jun 09 16:39:06 <alterego> And thought of using them in my N900 as home automation controller thingy.
Jun 09 16:39:24 <alterego> I need to figure out how to wire up a thermometer now.
Jun 09 16:39:34 <alterego> (cheaply)
Jun 09 16:39:57 <lcuk> TSCHAKeee, alterego needs ur software
Jun 09 16:40:03 <alterego> I already have a wireless central heating control system.
Jun 09 16:40:13 <alterego> Well, that's actually a wireless door bell. But still.
Jun 09 16:40:29 <alterego> lcuk: yeah, I spoke to him about it a while ago :)
Jun 09 16:48:02 <SpeedEvil> I'd go BT->serial adaptor -> arduino or similar board.
Jun 09 16:48:16 <SpeedEvil> (I am not a fan of arduino, but for this sort of stuf, it's quite adequate.
Jun 09 16:51:01 <RST38h> http://www.rttnews.com/Content/TopStories.aspx?Node=B1&Id=1642987
Jun 09 16:53:01 <alterego> I have a Bluetooth serial adapter actually :)
Jun 09 16:53:20 <alterego> I bought it whilst at my previous job to impress my boss, well, his boss' boss
Jun 09 16:53:56 <alterego> I wrote a camera control system in Qt/C++ which used the bluetooth RS232 dongle and an RS485 adapter to control some of our cameras PTZ functions.
Jun 09 16:54:12 <alterego> And the video was streamed over wireless to the N900
Jun 09 16:54:22 <alterego> Was quite cool :)
Jun 09 16:54:43 <w00t> special would probably love to talk to you
Jun 09 16:54:46 <alterego> It was mainly for testing camera protocols actually.
Jun 09 16:54:51 * w00t runs away
Jun 09 16:54:54 <alterego> But it was fun.
Jun 09 16:54:58 <alterego> Who's special?
Jun 09 16:55:26 <alterego> I'm retired from the security industry :P
Jun 09 16:56:11 <w00t> he's the poor overworked surveillance software geek I was with for the better part of the conference, helped me by doing most of the UI work for my demo etc
Jun 09 16:58:03 <alterego> Oh, yeah, I used to work for Tyco developing software to control and manage security systems and CCTV equipment.
Jun 09 16:58:22 <alterego> Didn't realise there was another in the community.
Jun 09 16:58:35 <alterego> I keep thinking of developing a MeeGo based CCTV system.
Jun 09 16:59:02 <alterego> Well, I've had this idea for a new kind of system for a while, not strictly CCTV, quite a lot of other things as well.
Jun 09 16:59:33 <alterego> But I only started prototyping it in my free time whilst I was at Tyco, then they gave me the boot. So, I kind of felt a bit bitter towards the industry.
Jun 09 16:59:52 <RST38h> alterego: weapons?
Jun 09 17:00:23 <alterego> No, no weapons :P
Jun 09 17:09:22 <special> alterego: that's basically what I do, yeah.
Jun 09 17:10:09 <w00t> minus the bluetooth
Jun 09 17:10:22 <w00t> though I am tempted to pose as a customer and submit a feature request, just to make your life hell
Jun 09 17:10:36 <special> wouldn't matter that much
Jun 09 17:10:53 <special> I use the same adapter, just in USB instead of bluetooth :p
Jun 09 17:11:12 <special> and in theory it shouldn't be that different to use from software.
Jun 09 17:11:28 <special> also, my life is already hell
Jun 09 17:12:42 <lcuk> do we have any comparative specs of the major meego devices, cpu,memory,capabilities etc
Jun 09 17:13:01 <lcuk> I was just watching some UX video that was on a wetab and it was chippy and jerky
Jun 09 17:13:08 <lcuk> and the UX should be uber powerful
Jun 09 17:13:19 <lcuk> *choppy
Jun 09 17:14:53 <pixelgeek> lcuk: It depends so much on the hardware and video type
Jun 09 17:14:54 <npm> lcuk: there's a way of enabling the crystalhd to aid video decoding
Jun 09 17:15:13 <npm> or maybe i
Jun 09 17:15:15 <pixelgeek> There's no HW video acceleration on pinetrail
Jun 09 17:15:21 <npm> confuse wetab w/ exopc
Jun 09 17:15:37 <pixelgeek> wetab=exopc hardware.
Jun 09 17:16:17 <lcuk> sigh
Jun 09 17:16:31 <npm> see some of the links i gave at end of http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-June/004182.html
Jun 09 17:16:46 <npm> e.g. http://askubuntu.com/questions/24324/how-do-i-get-flash-10-2-rc-crystal-hd-for-hw-accelerated-video-to-work
Jun 09 17:17:07 <npm> issue is that there's a kernel driver missing, assuming the hardware is there (i haven't opened mine to see)
Jun 09 17:17:17 <lcuk> pixelgeek, you seem to think it is all the hardware
Jun 09 17:17:26 <ver> dur, the 1.2 installer can be installed to a separate root?
Jun 09 17:17:44 <ver> 1.2 sdk installer, rather.
Jun 09 17:18:10 <npm> http://www.wetab-community.com/index.php?/topic/15726-yawos-crystalhd-und-xbmc/
Jun 09 17:21:40 <alterego> special: kinda wished I'd spoken to you in SF now :)
Jun 09 17:21:49 <lcuk> pixelgeek, pretty UI running at snails pace makes me more certain that if you give developers top of the range desktop hardware to develop on they will use every ounce of that hardware
Jun 09 17:21:51 <alterego> special: who do work for and where are you located?
Jun 09 17:22:01 <lcuk> then wonder why when it gets out of the lab it runs slowly
Jun 09 17:22:49 <lcuk> pixelgeek, make devs work on lowest common denominator hardware
Jun 09 17:22:58 <lcuk> make them push that to the limits
Jun 09 17:23:11 <alterego> lcuk: I find in a lot of cases it works better on the N900 than on my workstation :)
Jun 09 17:23:23 <lcuk> then when it gets into the real world on more powerful hardware running "lesser" apps (the IDE is heavyweight) it will fly!
Jun 09 17:23:31 <alterego> Well, QML stuff
Jun 09 17:23:33 <Bostik> or simply consider all software broken which doesn't work fast enough on the target device
Jun 09 17:23:40 <lcuk> Bostik, yeah
Jun 09 17:23:57 <Bostik> but then again, that requires constant access to real hardware
Jun 09 17:23:58 <lcuk> some guy came into #qt-labs the other day asking how professional optimised their code for performance
Jun 09 17:24:10 <Bostik> which in this business seems to be more of an exception than the norm :/
Jun 09 17:24:18 <lcuk> I mentioned this sort of thing and he said "well I don't have perofmrance problems"
Jun 09 17:24:28 <lcuk> it was his boss who had been running it on real end user hardware ;)
Jun 09 17:24:31 <alterego> What do we have in the way of device auto discovery in MeeGo core?
Jun 09 17:24:40 <lcuk> Bostik, invert it
Jun 09 17:24:44 <lcuk> take out the extra ram
Jun 09 17:24:51 <lcuk> let their machines go into swap
Jun 09 17:24:58 <Ronksu> altergo, what type of auto discovery?
Jun 09 17:25:18 <Bostik> lcuk: or just retrofit their desktops with some slow-as-molasses 3D hardware?
Jun 09 17:25:38 <w00t> alterego: avahi
Jun 09 17:25:40 <lcuk> from the looks of things, replace the ide with a qml one will be enough
Jun 09 17:25:58 <lcuk> qml profiler/performance tool should be manditory
Jun 09 17:26:21 * lcuk stops ranting anyway
Jun 09 17:26:21 <lcuk> :)
Jun 09 17:32:51 * RST38h moos
Jun 09 17:34:11 * auke refrains from milking RST38h 
Jun 09 17:34:19 <lcuk> auke, aww go on
Jun 09 17:34:22 <lcuk> would be amusing
Jun 09 17:34:59 * auke tips RST38h 
Jun 09 17:35:31 <RST38h> BTW, how come the 1.2 handset edition is still not out?
Jun 09 17:36:14 <Stskeeps> there's no 1.2 handset
Jun 09 17:36:30 <auke> ^ pretty good summary....
Jun 09 17:36:55 <RST38h> will there ever be a meego handset edition? or a tablet edition?
Jun 09 17:37:03 <Stskeeps> tablet's supposedly 1.2.1
Jun 09 17:37:04 <Stskeeps> or something
Jun 09 17:40:47 <lcuk> Stskeeps, which ML indicated what you just said?
Jun 09 17:41:13 <Stskeeps> lcuk: meego-releases@
Jun 09 17:41:17 <Stskeeps> i think
Jun 09 17:41:42 <lcuk> Stskeeps, would be helpful if you could dig out the mail
Jun 09 17:41:53 <Stskeeps> yeah, but i'm a little busy right now
Jun 09 17:42:02 <Stskeeps> it's either one of auke's or rollas mail in the last month
Jun 09 17:42:07 <RST38h> there was a wiki page with status for every meego edition
Jun 09 17:42:13 <RST38h> too bad I cannot locate it
Jun 09 17:43:29 <Stskeeps> does anyone happen to know where the franken-qt for 1.3 work in ongoing, btw?
Jun 09 17:43:30 <lcuk> http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-releases/2011-June/thread.html
Jun 09 17:43:40 <lcuk> http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-releases/2011-May/thread.html
Jun 09 17:44:00 * lcuk trying to find a mail saying handset was not there is a bit like a needle in a haystack ontop of the daily stuff
Jun 09 17:50:46 * wmarone reads about Really Huge things possibly happening way far off
Jun 09 17:51:26 <Stskeeps> i predict we'll rename to Mer in due time, and my path of destruction is complete ;)
Jun 09 17:54:30 <lcuk> Stskeeps, nahh you already left mer
Jun 09 17:54:54 <lcuk> can we have binary plugins on handset?
Jun 09 17:55:10 <lcuk> full app/widgety things that can instant load
Jun 09 17:55:16 <auke> wmarone: gossip?
Jun 09 17:55:16 <lcuk> when you tap the icon
Jun 09 17:55:22 <lcuk> in process, fast and efficent
Jun 09 17:56:28 <lcuk> on another topic, I see a tweak from intel about the app accelerator
Jun 09 17:56:32 <lcuk> hi ash \o
Jun 09 17:56:40 <lcuk> http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/accelerator?cid=sw:social_newsletter_om
Jun 09 17:56:50 <lcuk> Take your app from an idea to reality
Jun 09 17:56:50 <lcuk> The Intel AppUpSM Accelerator provides funding to help developers and companies pioneer innovative, new user experiences through applications and components for netbooks and tablets.
Jun 09 17:57:10 <lcuk> MeeGoExperts, what do you know about this?
Jun 09 17:57:18 <lcuk> have any apps been created using it?
Jun 09 17:58:54 <MeeGoExperts> Hi
Jun 09 17:58:59 <MeeGoExperts> Looking now
Jun 09 17:59:25 <Stskeeps> lcuk: they mentioned it in one of the appups i think
Jun 09 17:59:49 <MeeGoExperts> I didn't know of this one
Jun 09 17:59:55 <lcuk> yeha me neither
Jun 09 17:59:59 <lcuk> it popped up quietly
Jun 09 18:00:15 <lcuk> I wonder what licensing/revenue sharing agreements it entails
Jun 09 18:00:45 <MeeGoExperts> average assistance is listed as $12,000 …. So possibly till they get their money back
Jun 09 18:00:48 <MeeGoExperts> :-)
Jun 09 18:00:52 <lcuk> haha
Jun 09 18:01:30 <lcuk> so MeeGoExperts I could stop paying them a week after release? ;)
Jun 09 18:01:39 <Stskeeps> "did you ever try to get your fingers broken by a exopc? that's what happens if you don't pay back"
Jun 09 18:01:52 <Stskeeps> technological gangsters ;)
Jun 09 18:01:56 <MeeGoExperts> hahaha
Jun 09 18:02:10 <lcuk> Stskeeps, where do you think the Microsoft Ecel FDIV bug came from ;)
Jun 09 18:04:43 <alterego> Sweet christ ...
Jun 09 18:04:50 <alterego> I've not looked at t.m.o all day.
Jun 09 18:04:56 <alterego> Not the nicest way to end it :/
Jun 09 18:05:00 <Stskeeps> meh
Jun 09 18:05:09 * Stskeeps hugs DE
Jun 09 18:05:55 * Stskeeps rather likes a final repuation of doing wild goose chases, which is pretty fitting :>
Jun 09 18:05:59 <Stskeeps> reputation, that is
Jun 09 18:06:13 <alterego> I might follow suit ..
Jun 09 18:06:24 <alterego> But I'll leave it until tomorrow ^.^
Jun 09 18:07:12 <fiferboy> It's funny, I heard some talk at sf2011 speculating how long t.m.o would remain a viable, useful forum
Jun 09 18:07:21 <alterego> -1 year
Jun 09 18:07:23 <alterego> :)
Jun 09 18:07:32 <lcuk> the same talk happened last year  too
Jun 09 18:07:41 <alterego> tbh, forums are really only useful to "users" ..
Jun 09 18:07:44 <lcuk> with the same length
Jun 09 18:07:58 <alterego> And people like us, that sit here and try to use them to help the users.
Jun 09 18:07:59 <Stskeeps> alterego: tmo was very useful even for developers for a long time
Jun 09 18:08:05 <alterego> Well, we just end up getting very frustrated.
Jun 09 18:08:05 <fiferboy> Seems like most people around the discussion were in favour of prolonging things
Jun 09 18:08:44 <fiferboy> Stskeeps: Yes, tmo helped a great deal in my maemo4/maemo5 development days
Jun 09 18:08:49 <alterego> I'm all for prolonging mind you
Jun 09 18:09:01 <lcuk> "ENLARGE YOUR TMO NOW!"
Jun 09 18:09:04 <alterego> But mostly to watch it burn in flames :)
Jun 09 18:09:24 * lcuk wonders why people are destructive
Jun 09 18:09:45 <lcuk> alterego, imagine if your apps would run well on every single piece of maemo+meego hardware
Jun 09 18:10:09 <alterego> Stop gloating :P
Jun 09 18:10:14 <lcuk> imagine the pride you would feel if your cool app actually made people bring their n8x0 out of the drawers and bring them back into fulltime use
Jun 09 18:10:22 <lcuk> I am serious
Jun 09 18:10:40 <alterego> Your app is the only one I know of that runs well on all of those platforms :P
Jun 09 18:10:53 <lcuk> then, yes I am gloating
Jun 09 18:11:12 <lcuk> but my apps run well because I put effort into that aspect whilst lacking the other bits
Jun 09 18:11:16 <alterego> I should have done what you did and just do everything myself :D
Jun 09 18:11:24 <fiferboy> Too bad there is no obvious way to gracefully mothball the site to an archive-only state
Jun 09 18:11:24 <lcuk> no, you don't.
Jun 09 18:11:42 * ShadowJK likes the useful threads there
Jun 09 18:11:59 <lcuk> alterego, that was the hardest decision ever
Jun 09 18:12:07 <lcuk> rememeber I write visual basic
Jun 09 18:12:18 <fiferboy> ShadowJK: I'm sure there is still useful discussion going on, but you have to dig through more and more garbage threads
Jun 09 18:12:20 <alterego> liq is in vb?! :P
Jun 09 18:12:22 <Stskeeps> there's always http://forum.allaboutmeego.com/ ;)
Jun 09 18:12:27 <lcuk> every line of code I knew just how much more there was to write
Jun 09 18:12:36 <alterego> Heh
Jun 09 18:12:40 <alterego> I know how that feels
Jun 09 18:12:46 <lcuk> https://github.com/lcuk
Jun 09 18:12:52 <ShadowJK> I just ignore every [current news] or meego thread :P
Jun 09 18:12:54 <lcuk> alterego, read my github page
Jun 09 18:12:55 <alterego> But with every line of code, you're one less there ;)
Jun 09 18:12:58 <ShadowJK> and flash
Jun 09 18:13:15 <lcuk> half of the projects are marked "visual basic"
Jun 09 18:13:23 <lcuk> yet they are all compiled running on maemo
Jun 09 18:15:24 <lcuk> alterego, all liq* gui apps up until yesterday started life as a visual basic layout/mockup
Jun 09 18:15:39 <alterego> :)
Jun 09 18:16:04 <maligor> Voluntary self-torture?
Jun 09 18:16:14 <lcuk> maligor, I like VB :)
Jun 09 18:16:22 <lcuk> it is like moulding clay
Jun 09 18:16:32 <maligor> I could never get a hang of basic for some reason
Jun 09 18:16:52 <lcuk> the language never bothered me - pascal is worse syntax wise
Jun 09 18:17:00 <lcuk> the IDE was what made it for me though
Jun 09 18:17:11 <lcuk> extremely smooth integration between design and code
Jun 09 18:19:03 <maligor> oddly enough, the only gui editor I'v actually liked is Qt creator
Jun 09 18:19:11 <lcuk> maligor,
Jun 09 18:19:14 <maligor> otherwise I just use vim
Jun 09 18:19:15 <lcuk> qt creator is nice
Jun 09 18:19:23 <lcuk> but lacks ONE key vital thing
Jun 09 18:19:36 <alterego> A decent text editor?
Jun 09 18:19:40 <lcuk> If I open qt creator, make a widget (called Helloworld") nice and visual
Jun 09 18:19:42 <alterego> I like Qt Creator tbh
Jun 09 18:19:45 <maligor> alterego, it has vim mode
Jun 09 18:19:54 <maligor> it's not perfect tho
Jun 09 18:19:56 <lcuk> then make another widget - I cannot directly insert visual instances onto the window
Jun 09 18:20:01 <lcuk> in visual basic
Jun 09 18:20:20 <lcuk> I can make multiple widgets - and see them in place, in context on further forms and stuff right there and then
Jun 09 18:20:34 <lcuk> usercontrol a,b,c,d have whatever they need on them
Jun 09 18:20:47 <lcuk> form F can then double click and add them as simply as textboxes
Jun 09 18:20:58 * lcuk has tried to explain this to numerous qt developers over the tiem
Jun 09 18:21:09 <maligor> heh
Jun 09 18:21:54 <maligor> I probably mostly like Creator because it doesn't try to enforce too much of it's own project management crap on me
Jun 09 18:22:11 <fiferboy> lcuk: There is a really labourious way to do that involving creating the widget and exporting it as a QtCreator plugin so you can use it in other projects
Jun 09 18:22:21 <fiferboy> I know that isn't what you have in mind, though
Jun 09 18:22:22 <andyross> Ooh, IDE flame opportunity.  The whole idea of putting a decent text editor into an IDE is flawed on its face; vim and emacs (frankly the only good editors period, and no let's not get into that) are so much more than just keystrokes.  You can't have a "mode" that will substitute when the whole idea of using a great editor is that you use it for everything.
Jun 09 18:23:08 <maligor> andyross, ah, yes, the irc extension to emacs?
Jun 09 18:23:18 <lcuk> fiferboy, you explain my point
Jun 09 18:23:24 <lcuk> that is what I have in mind
Jun 09 18:23:31 <lcuk> but it is tiresome and saps crativity
Jun 09 18:24:20 <fiferboy> lcuk: Yeah, when I have to create a widget in Qt I just add it programatically to whatever window needs it
Jun 09 18:24:35 <andyross> Dunno, don't use it.  I meant use it for editing everything.  Code, notes, documents, email, etc... the only point to being good with the editor is getting the synergy from editing everything in it.  You can't get that if you're just trying to make a GUI text field act the same way.
Jun 09 18:25:53 <andyross> (apropos: Gnome3 seems to have broken gtk_key_theme=Emacs somehow, and now all of a sudden the GUI is useless to me)
Jun 09 18:26:08 <lcuk> fiferboy, maligor http://liqbase.net/visualbasic_creative.20100609.png
Jun 09 18:26:19 <mikhas> stupid question, but how can I invite infobot to other channels?
Jun 09 18:26:48 * andyross has no idea, but suspects the answer involves asking it nicely...
Jun 09 18:26:58 <maligor> andyross, uhoh... broken how?
Jun 09 18:27:06 <maligor> I use that mode also
Jun 09 18:27:58 <lcuk> fiferboy, the creative editing in qt should really support this kind of class building
Jun 09 18:28:08 <fiferboy> lcuk: That is the way it *should* work in QtCreator too, ideally
Jun 09 18:28:19 <andyross> maligor: Just doesn't work.  I can set the gconf key but nothing honors it.   Presumably that's a gtk3 glitch?
Jun 09 18:28:43 <maligor> mff, wrong control sequence
Jun 09 18:28:55 <lcuk> fiferboy, yeah
Jun 09 18:29:16 <maligor> actually, it looks like the application bindings take preference to the gtk
Jun 09 18:29:28 <maligor> otherwise they work I guess
Jun 09 18:29:29 <lcuk> fiferboy, even if it was once only "oh you can only do this at time of project creation" or similar I would be happy
Jun 09 18:29:41 <lcuk> it helps to flesh out a project quickly and get running
Jun 09 18:29:55 * lcuk would go into other stuff like generic packaging and stuff ;)
Jun 09 18:30:01 <lcuk> but I have code to write this evening
Jun 09 18:30:34 <fiferboy> lcuk: Or allowing you to place the custom widget but displaying the inherited class as a place-holder
Jun 09 18:30:42 <fiferboy> Something like that would be useful I think
Jun 09 18:30:47 <lcuk> that is already there
Jun 09 18:30:55 <lcuk> you can simulate it
Jun 09 18:31:05 <fiferboy> lcuk: You can place a custom widget developed in the same project?
Jun 09 18:31:06 <lcuk> and say "all checkboxes should become xyz class"
Jun 09 18:31:10 <lcuk> but that is funky
Jun 09 18:31:30 <fiferboy> I never noticed that before.  Might be a small help to me.
Jun 09 18:31:36 <lcuk> fiferboy, in qt, menu item called ... lemme see
Jun 09 18:34:02 <lcuk> fiferboy, right click on a widget in the designer and click "Promote to..."
Jun 09 18:34:23 <fiferboy> lcuk: Ah yes, I remember seeing this before.  Never tried it, though.
Jun 09 18:34:25 <lcuk> it seems to take you to a project global dialog which lets you specific the "all checkboxes will be made as ..."
Jun 09 18:34:30 <fiferboy> Interesting, thanks for the tip!
Jun 09 18:34:48 <lcuk> it works but hurts head
Jun 09 18:35:02 <fiferboy> lcuk: Yeah, not a perfect solution
Jun 09 18:36:50 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: did i give you stats for last month yet?
Jun 09 18:37:52 <mikhas> so, what about 3rd parties (commercial) and bugzilla components?
Jun 09 18:38:50 <Stskeeps> i think there was such a discussion long ago actually
Jun 09 18:39:11 <Stskeeps> in relation to the harmattan stuff
Jun 09 18:39:40 * Stskeeps could personally support bugzilla components for stuff included in meego somehow, such as hardware adaptations
Jun 09 18:40:22 <Stskeeps> what do you have in mind, mikhas ?
Jun 09 18:44:58 <TSCHAKeee> alterego: we can help you set up a LinuxMCE system
Jun 09 18:45:51 <alterego> Yeah, I was thinking that.
Jun 09 18:46:01 <alterego> Firstly though I want to experiment with customising meego
Jun 09 18:46:10 <alterego> Be developing my own UX on top of core.
Jun 09 18:46:31 <mikhas> Stskeeps, will move discussion to mail (sorry)
Jun 09 18:47:27 <Stskeeps> mikhas: alright
Jun 09 18:47:52 <maligor> qml would probably work nicely for that purpose, even if I'm not 100% sold on it's use everywhere ;P
Jun 09 18:48:41 <mikhas> Stskeeps, should I involve lbt_away in the discussion?
Jun 09 18:49:10 <Stskeeps> mikhas: mailing list or a CC pattern?
Jun 09 18:49:22 <mikhas> corporate pattern
Jun 09 18:49:26 <mikhas> (IE, CC)
Jun 09 18:49:37 <Stskeeps> alright
Jun 09 18:49:42 <Stskeeps> then yes, if you think he can bring value
Jun 09 18:49:45 <mikhas> am really sorry
Jun 09 18:50:01 <Stskeeps> yeah, i know.. i have to do it at times too for whatever reason
Jun 09 18:50:04 <mikhas> but it's always the risk if ideas fail, with 3rd parties
Jun 09 18:50:20 <mikhas> then you dont want to reveal anything at all ...
Jun 09 18:50:46 <mikhas> same with BMW's never getting the slightest damage in block busters
Jun 09 18:51:17 <lcuk> mikhas, but there again, isn't the mantra of open source "release early, release often" ?
Jun 09 18:51:33 <mikhas> ha, crazy talk, "open source"
Jun 09 18:51:36 <maligor> you mean: "break often, fix later"
Jun 09 18:51:44 <mikhas> maligor, :-)
Jun 09 18:52:02 <mikhas> maligor, "break often, fix later, rewrite with every release"
Jun 09 18:52:44 <lcuk> mikhas, I used to mainta n a code stack that was written in doc basic way back before windows existed
Jun 09 18:52:54 <lcuk> s/doc/dos/
Jun 09 18:52:54 <infobot> lcuk meant: mikhas, I used to mainta n a code stack that was written in dos basic way back before windows existed
Jun 09 18:53:10 * lcuk saw it running on vista
Jun 09 18:53:43 <maligor> lcuk, that's the basic I never learned. I think I learned using djgpp c
Jun 09 18:53:51 <maligor> qbasic was always baffling
Jun 09 18:53:58 * thiago_home used djgpp
Jun 09 18:54:02 <lcuk> I did not have a windows machine until late 1999
Jun 09 18:54:21 <maligor> it's not like I can't write basic, but I'm hardly qualified to do anything very complex with it
Jun 09 18:55:09 <lcuk> though strangely enough I was qualified in windows software in ~97/98 hmm
Jun 09 18:55:36 * w00t used gcc
Jun 09 18:55:57 <csgeek> I was wondering if there were any dev or regulard devices out.. or coming out that support/run Meego
Jun 09 18:56:01 <w00t> I also wrote my own makefiles at the time, for reasons that escape me
Jun 09 18:56:02 * lcuk used amiga basic then arexx and other magical things
Jun 09 18:56:05 <Stskeeps> csgeek: n900's fairly nice for meego
Jun 09 18:56:26 <lcuk> better every day too :)
Jun 09 18:56:40 <csgeek> sure.. but I meant an official device designed for meego..   n900 feels $$ for the specs it has
Jun 09 18:56:52 <lcuk> Stskeeps, did you see - halfway towards allowing a simple import mechanism for contacts
Jun 09 18:57:07 <maligor> csgeek, pretty much everything nokia did was, n900 is cheap in comparison really
Jun 09 18:57:19 <Stskeeps> lcuk: briefly, i'm currently throwing myself into a bet with myself
Jun 09 18:57:31 <lcuk> reasonable
Jun 09 18:57:46 <lcuk> Stskeeps, well if we can get a script and command line import working
Jun 09 18:57:57 <lcuk> we could do an automatic contacts import on firstboot
Jun 09 18:58:08 <Stskeeps> yeah.. just have to be careful
Jun 09 18:58:10 <lcuk> mount the emmc, check the folder, import contacts
Jun 09 18:58:12 <Stskeeps> we need a first boot wizard maybe
Jun 09 18:58:16 <lcuk> yeah
Jun 09 18:58:57 <lcuk> it is just a simple first step that gives people using/testing a bit more realness to it
Jun 09 18:59:16 <lcuk> and can allow them to seamlessly carry on conversations and stuff because the names are there
Jun 09 18:59:26 <Stskeeps> true
Jun 09 18:59:40 <lcuk> before they know it, their n900-de was booted for 3 days
Jun 09 18:59:43 <maligor> I'm sure the people using it for testing it will just get annoyed at it eventually :P
Jun 09 18:59:47 <lcuk> and they have stuff tested thoroughly
Jun 09 18:59:55 <lcuk> maligor, that is half the problem
Jun 09 19:00:10 <lcuk> with no ssu, and no "normal" data from their phone currently
Jun 09 19:00:22 <lcuk> every day is like groundhog day
Jun 09 19:00:27 <lcuk> complete restart
Jun 09 19:00:42 <lcuk> this would give them a better phone run over
Jun 09 19:00:53 <lcuk> but anyway, that is tomorrows task
Jun 09 19:01:05 <maligor> I guess you'd want to add a fake data source for the import too then :P
Jun 09 19:01:05 <lcuk> cyas later, I am off to #liqbase for a bit
Jun 09 19:01:06 <Stskeeps> good work
Jun 09 19:03:49 <lcuk> Stskeeps, and you \o nn
Jun 09 19:46:23 <DawnFoster> Stskeeps: I don't think so - the stats would be great
Jun 09 19:46:42 <Stskeeps> alright, will just gen them
Jun 09 19:48:32 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/irc/data/irssistats.may.html
Jun 09 19:50:17 <DawnFoster> Stskeeps: perfect, thank you!
Jun 09 19:50:42 <Stskeeps> np
Jun 09 20:00:06 <alterego> Wow I'm a gobby one again :D
Jun 09 20:00:12 <summel> hmm the flashing did not work :S
Jun 09 20:00:44 <alterego> Looks like me and lcuk have similar sleeping habits
Jun 09 20:01:25 <alterego> "Stskeeps | likes to /kick" :D
Jun 09 20:01:34 <Stskeeps> yeah..
Jun 09 20:01:35 <alterego> "alterego | is often happy :)"
Jun 09 20:01:41 <Stskeeps> it was me or auke on that statistics, for sure
Jun 09 20:02:10 <alterego> What are these stats used for anyway?
Jun 09 20:02:23 <Stskeeps> community metrics
Jun 09 20:02:34 <Stskeeps> and proving to myself i still have a regular sleeping rhythm
Jun 09 20:02:34 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 09 20:02:46 <alterego> Heh
Jun 09 20:12:40 <fiferboy> I notice lbt is among the most active in every time period
Jun 09 20:14:04 * w00t manages this for #qt-labs, but not #meego
Jun 09 20:14:07 <Stskeeps> yes, i doubt he ever sleeps
Jun 09 20:14:15 <w00t> thiago_home: we should start talking more here :-)
Jun 09 20:15:00 <lardman> lol @ some of the random messages :)
Jun 09 20:15:01 <thiago_home> sure
Jun 09 20:15:33 <fiferboy> Maybe I'll make it onto next month's metrics
Jun 09 20:17:00 <lardman> lcuk: you're scoring well for the midnight to 05 hundred period there!
Jun 09 20:17:13 <lardman> Stskeeps: what timezone do those stats use?
Jun 09 20:17:44 <Stskeeps> lardman: mine, i think
Jun 09 20:20:58 <lardman> meego.com doesn't score very highly in the Google search results for anything very much meego related
Jun 09 20:21:18 <lardman> for example searching for an arm tablet ks file
Jun 09 20:21:41 <lcuk> lardman, I sleep at night now!
Jun 09 20:22:15 <lardman> I guess some serious chatting just after midnight uk time would get you in there nicely assuming Stskeeps is on European time
Jun 09 20:22:38 <lardman> ~curse the Meego.com dev pages
Jun 09 20:22:38 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, the Meego.com dev pages !
Jun 09 20:23:09 <lcuk> lardman, I talk enough as it is
Jun 09 20:23:25 <lardman> I really see no way from e.g. https://meego.com/developers to actually get hold of any .ks files
Jun 09 20:23:28 <lardman> what am I missing?
Jun 09 20:24:00 <lcuk> lardman, they are inside OBS I think
Jun 09 20:24:09 <lcuk> but some repositories on gitorious remain synced
Jun 09 20:24:09 <RST38h> ehlo lardman
Jun 09 20:24:17 <lcuk> which are you looking for specifically
Jun 09 20:24:22 <lardman> hey RST38h
Jun 09 20:24:33 <lardman> lcuk: tablet ux kickstart file
Jun 09 20:24:36 <lardman> for arm
Jun 09 20:24:38 <lcuk> lardman, also, the .ks files are autogenerated arent they?
Jun 09 20:24:45 <lcuk> from daily integration of packages somewhere
Jun 09 20:24:58 <lardman> but just in general, the meego.com pages should have a link to the wiki pages that are acutally of use imho
Jun 09 20:25:49 <lcuk> agreed lardman
Jun 09 20:26:08 <lcuk> do you think the people editing wiki could propose good pages  they have worked through?
Jun 09 20:27:00 <lardman> just a link from the meego.com dev page to some dev part of the wiki would at least join things up, otherwise you have to resort to Google search as the meego.com one is useless afair
Jun 09 20:27:54 <lardman> tbh I find the whole process of doing any looking for info about meego bloody annoying, someone should look at the maemo dev pages and take note imho
Jun 09 20:28:00 <lcuk> lardman, yeah
Jun 09 20:28:05 <lcuk> in other news
Jun 09 20:28:14 * lardman relaxes and resorts to Google to try to find a .ks file
Jun 09 20:28:15 <lcuk> after exporting contacts from maemo onto the eMMC
Jun 09 20:28:26 <lcuk> I pieced together the bits of discussions
Jun 09 20:28:34 <lcuk> and made a mount script thingy
Jun 09 20:28:45 <Stskeeps> lardman: repository.maemo.org/n900-de
Jun 09 20:28:47 <lcuk> and can see those vcard contacts in meego n900
Jun 09 20:29:08 <lcuk> alterego and w00t might have a mini plan to be able to import them
Jun 09 20:29:17 <lcuk> and we could have normal maemo phone contacts on meego
Jun 09 20:29:17 <lardman> Stskeeps: url correct?
Jun 09 20:29:35 <Stskeeps> n
Jun 09 20:29:36 <Stskeeps> o
Jun 09 20:29:38 <Stskeeps> http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/
Jun 09 20:29:42 <lardman> Stskeeps: if handset a better bet than tablet atm too? for the Tab this is
Jun 09 20:29:43 <alterego> Do we have bluetooth working yet? :)
Jun 09 20:29:57 <Stskeeps> lardman: tablet's the best bet for new devel
Jun 09 20:30:21 <lardman> cool, do you have a link to a ks for this then?
Jun 09 20:30:51 * lardman hopes other people can see just how frustrating it is trying to find stuff on the *meego.com sites
Jun 09 20:31:05 <Stskeeps> look at the url
Jun 09 20:31:06 <Stskeeps> we have one
Jun 09 20:31:06 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 09 20:31:12 <lardman> oh right, apologies
Jun 09 20:31:32 <lardman> ah good stuff, thanks
Jun 09 20:37:03 <pficheux_> hi all
Jun 09 20:57:04 <lardman> Stskeeps: that's a hard float image from the naming?
Jun 09 20:57:38 <Stskeeps> probably yeah
Jun 09 20:57:51 <lardman> is there any issue compiling for the previous abi?
Jun 09 20:58:05 <Stskeeps> well you can grab a older version
Jun 09 20:58:16 <lardman> as I'd like to eventually try to use the panda opengles userspace stuff
Jun 09 20:58:28 <lcuk> DawnFoster,
Jun 09 20:58:33 <lcuk> the job you posted for
Jun 09 20:58:36 <lardman> are there any known-working older versions floating about?
Jun 09 20:58:45 <lcuk> is open for a year and a day!
Jun 09 20:58:47 <lcuk> Posting Date
Jun 09 20:58:47 <lcuk> : Jun 7, 2011
Jun 09 20:58:47 <lcuk> Apply Before
Jun 09 20:58:47 <lcuk> : Jun 8, 2012
Jun 09 20:58:57 <lcuk> http://www.intel.com/jobs/jobsearch/index.htm?job=602667
Jun 09 20:59:29 <Stskeeps> lardman: check repo.meego.com, 1.1.90
Jun 09 20:59:34 <Stskeeps> there's armv7l's
Jun 09 21:00:10 <DawnFoster> lcuk: not my job posting :)
Jun 09 21:00:20 <DawnFoster> but it's open for a year or until it's filled :)
Jun 09 21:00:36 <lardman> Stskeeps: that's pre-tablet ux though isn't it?
Jun 09 21:00:42 <lcuk> cool
Jun 09 21:01:12 <Stskeeps> lardman: no, fairly late in process
Jun 09 21:01:17 <lardman> actually does tablet require opengles accel? As if not I'll try that and then cross my fingers that we see some panda binaries compiled for hard float
Jun 09 21:01:21 <DawnFoster> I think the tool forces an arbitrary final date
Jun 09 21:01:43 <Stskeeps> lardman: can technically run without, but yu need to edit .deskotp files
Jun 09 21:03:16 <lardman> ok, that is not the end of the world - why .desktop files? Are there some accelerated things that are autoloaded?
Jun 09 21:03:24 * lardman has never seen tablet ux
Jun 09 21:04:55 <lardman> still can't see any tablet .ks files under the 1.1.90 dirs I should add
Jun 09 21:10:08 <lcuk> o_O http://www.tipb.com/2011/01/07/ten-1-shows-fling-thumbsticks-ipad-gaming-tipb-ces-2011/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheIphoneBlog+%28TiPb%3A+iPhone%2C+iPad%2C+iPod%29
Jun 09 21:16:23 <SpeedEvil> Those are on dealextreme cheap
Jun 09 21:26:32 <berndhs> hmm how about a suction cup attached transparent keyboard ?
Jun 09 21:28:28 <lcuk> lardman, did you find .ks required?
Jun 09 21:28:36 <lcuk> berndhs, a bit big to add/remove
Jun 09 21:29:07 <lardman> lcuk: yes, sort of, from Stskeeps's link earlier
Jun 09 21:29:23 <lcuk> it would be fun to have localised vibra actuators below parts of the screen though
Jun 09 21:29:28 <lardman> the sort of because the OpenGL ES userspace stuff is still going to be softfloat, but that ks is for hardfloat
Jun 09 21:29:32 <lcuk> lardman, yes I was going to say
Jun 09 21:29:36 <lcuk> each image folder type
Jun 09 21:29:40 <lcuk> has the .ks linked with it
Jun 09 21:29:57 <lcuk> like
Jun 09 21:30:04 <lcuk> todays n900 acceptance folder
Jun 09 21:30:05 <lcuk> http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.3.20110608.2.DE.2011-06-09.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-de-acceptance/
Jun 09 21:30:15 <lardman> I thought as it was N900De it would be handset only, bad assumption on my part
Jun 09 21:30:16 <lcuk> contains the specific .ks that got generated
Jun 09 21:30:25 <lcuk> the .ks itself is not stored beforehand
Jun 09 21:30:29 <lardman> yeah I want tablet though preferably
Jun 09 21:30:33 <lcuk> it is generated by the thing that makes all the image types
Jun 09 21:30:39 <lcuk> then step back from that folder
Jun 09 21:30:44 <lcuk> and go into a tablet one
Jun 09 21:30:56 <lcuk> http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.3.20110608.2.DE.2011-06-09.1/images/mg-tablet-armv7nhl-n900-de-acceptance/
Jun 09 21:31:22 <lardman> yes thanks, as I said I did find it ;)
Jun 09 21:31:37 <lcuk> I am mentioning it together for the other 465 too :P
Jun 09 21:31:57 <lardman> ah fair enough :)
Jun 09 21:33:34 <lcuk> lardman,
Jun 09 21:33:45 <lcuk> what do you use as test barcode with mbarcode?
Jun 09 21:34:04 <lcuk> when sat hacking, what do you try with?
Jun 09 21:34:45 <lardman> whatever's sat on my desk - CDs, games for EANs, random books for ISBNs and usually Google image search for the 2D codes
Jun 09 21:35:22 <lcuk> heh
Jun 09 21:35:45 * lardman ponders what to do about hardfloat#
Jun 09 21:36:04 <lcuk> wassup with it?
Jun 09 21:36:22 <lardman> in compatibility with opengles userspace
Jun 09 21:36:28 <javispedro> ?
Jun 09 21:36:32 <lardman> add a hyphen there
Jun 09 21:36:33 * SpeedEvil thinks of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaki_Sumitani when reading lardmans comment.
Jun 09 21:36:53 <javispedro> lardman: you only have softfloat gles libs because they come from a third party?
Jun 09 21:37:02 <lardman> yes
Jun 09 21:37:04 <javispedro> which device? and chip?
Jun 09 21:37:17 <lardman> the Tab is a hummingbird, which has an sgx540
Jun 09 21:37:28 <lardman> the panda is an omap4 which also has an sgx540
Jun 09 21:37:46 <javispedro> .... but ... ? :)
Jun 09 21:37:50 <lardman> I have the source for the hummingbird driver
Jun 09 21:38:30 <lardman> so the plan was to see if I could use the panda userspace on the Tab by making sure the Tab kernel driver did the same stuff as the panda one
Jun 09 21:38:56 <javispedro> you cannot get the sgx kernel kit? TI probably provides it for the omap4
Jun 09 21:39:13 <lardman> probably softfloat though
Jun 09 21:39:27 <lardman> that would mean my paying money too presumably
Jun 09 21:39:37 <lardman> unless they give them away for free of course
Jun 09 21:39:38 <lardman> :)
Jun 09 21:39:40 <javispedro> I think they do
Jun 09 21:39:47 <javispedro> they do for omap3 at least these days
Jun 09 21:40:40 <javispedro> sadly, I bet everything that has "Android" on its name is softfloat..
Jun 09 21:41:25 <javispedro> hmm
Jun 09 21:41:38 <javispedro> ubuntu is hardfloat --> https://launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev/+archive/release
Jun 09 21:41:48 <lardman> the DDK is probably going to need some serious NDAs, which they don't like hobby programmers signing up for I imagine
Jun 09 21:42:16 <javispedro> lardman: naaah, even the nitdroid guys got it, things are getting laxer.
Jun 09 21:42:26 <lardman> anyway I imagine the other ARM board guys have already thought of all this, and have also not reached any satisfactory conclusion other than to do a parallel softfloat build
Jun 09 21:42:36 <lardman> javispedro: hmm#
Jun 09 21:47:42 <lardman> javispedro: what makes you think that is hardfloat?
Jun 09 21:48:40 <javispedro> aren't the recent ubuntu netbook distros hfp?
Jun 09 21:48:45 <javispedro> s/hfp/hardfloat
Jun 09 21:48:53 <lardman> no idea tbh
Jun 09 21:49:07 <javispedro> can check in a moment
Jun 09 21:49:19 <lardman> thanks
Jun 09 21:51:36 <lardman> https://wiki.linaro.org/Linaro-arm-hardfloat says that Ubuntu arm is softfloat
Jun 09 21:52:31 <javispedro> seems so...
Jun 09 21:52:50 <mikhas> so how can I properly restart services on MeeGo?
Jun 09 21:52:54 <javispedro> unless Tag_unknown_44 means hardfloat =)
Jun 09 21:53:59 <lardman> I see a launchpad questiony thingie asking whether Ubuntu should support two arm repos, so I guess it's in the "thinking about stage" only
Jun 09 21:54:01 <javispedro> lardman: nah, confirming softfloat.
Jun 09 21:54:25 <lardman> interesting reading about the potential speedup from hardfloat though
Jun 09 21:54:47 <javispedro> specially on GL since fixed point stuff fell in disuse
Jun 09 21:55:33 <lardman> I guess a 40% faster fp might make up to some small degree for the lack of hw accel in the tablet ui
Jun 09 21:55:50 <javispedro> nope
Jun 09 21:56:01 <lardman> I didn't specify how small ;)
Jun 09 21:56:05 <javispedro> ok =)
Jun 09 21:56:35 <lardman> how well does the tablet ux desktop run without hw accel anyway?
Jun 09 21:57:03 * lardman wonders about appropriating his wife's no-often-used netbook to try installing it
Jun 09 21:57:18 <javispedro> on x86 it probably runs well, dunno arm
Jun 09 21:59:19 <mikhas> what would be the appropriate ML for OBS project questions?
Jun 09 22:01:31 * lardman heads for bed
Jun 09 22:01:35 <lardman> night everyone
Jun 09 22:02:21 <javispedro> gnite lardman|gone
Jun 09 22:02:25 <javispedro> oops.
Jun 09 22:09:23 <mikhas> I get "symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/egl/egl_dri2.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_get_proc_address" in my application
Jun 09 22:09:32 <mikhas> me reckons I use wrong GLES libs?
Jun 09 22:10:02 <thiago_home> or you're missing some deps
Jun 10 01:18:45 <ahel> hi! i'm trying to install meego on a Intel Classmate
Jun 10 01:19:12 <ahel> it has a 16gb ssd and a 16gb of sdhc
Jun 10 01:19:40 <ahel> can i use it together or it's useless?
Jun 10 01:19:45 <ahel> ty :)
Jun 10 01:20:18 <Saviq> sure you can
Jun 10 01:20:37 <Saviq> ahel: I assume you mean meego netbook?
Jun 10 01:20:59 <ahel> yup Saviq
Jun 10 01:21:15 <Saviq> IIRC it had a partitioning tool during installation that will allow you to, for example, make the sdhc /home
Jun 10 01:21:58 <Saviq> and even if it didn't, you can get all that set up in the standard linux way
Jun 10 01:22:32 <ahel> Saviq: hahahah :)
Jun 10 01:23:29 <ahel> i've just set up another arch linux and i have tought it would be different xD
Jun 10 01:23:51 <Saviq> what would be different and why?
Jun 10 01:24:48 <ahel> *installing meego would be
Jun 10 01:24:54 <ahel> :)
Jun 10 01:25:49 <Saviq> ahel: the netbook installer is based on anaconda from Fedora, AFAIK
Jun 10 01:26:14 <ahel> Saviq: good to know.
Jun 10 01:27:01 <ahel> btw it's not a good idea having 2 media : one for root and another for home
Jun 10 01:27:09 <ahel> or it is?
Jun 10 01:27:31 <Saviq> depends
Jun 10 01:27:58 <Saviq> helps you keep it safe if you install different distros often
Jun 10 01:28:05 <Saviq> (the /home I mean)
Jun 10 01:28:21 <Saviq> but if you have the sdhc removable
Jun 10 01:28:27 <ahel> yes
Jun 10 01:28:33 <ahel> it is removable
Jun 10 01:28:34 <Saviq> then treat it as one
Jun 10 01:28:48 <Saviq> get everything on a single partition on the sdd
Jun 10 01:28:57 <Saviq> and use the sdhc as removable storage
Jun 10 01:29:18 <Saviq> 'cause if you lose the sdhc and your home dir with it, it might not be nice
Jun 10 01:29:28 <ahel> 16gb on ssd are enought in your opinion?
Jun 10 01:29:28 <Saviq> and also you wouldn't be able to replace it for another one
Jun 10 01:29:31 <Saviq> sure
Jun 10 01:29:54 <Saviq> when using external storage for big things, that's more than enough
Jun 10 01:30:12 <Saviq> the meego installation fits in under 2GB I think
Jun 10 01:30:21 <Saviq> so the rest is for you to use
Jun 10 01:30:46 <ahel> well i trust you Saviq
Jun 10 01:30:55 <ahel> i'm installing only in the ssd
Jun 10 01:31:18 <ahel> :)
Jun 10 01:31:26 <ahel> ty for support :)
Jun 10 01:31:30 <Saviq> cheers
Jun 10 01:56:43 <ahel> hi again.
Jun 10 01:57:00 <ahel> how can i blacklist some module device?
Jun 10 01:57:19 <ahel> in arch linux you can do that in /etc/rc.conf
Jun 10 01:59:32 <ahel> the normal kernel loads for my wifi the rt28xx but it's not that one that i need.
Jun 10 02:00:16 <ahel> ok found
Jun 10 02:00:42 <ahel> it was in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
Jun 10 02:00:45 <ahel> ty :)
Jun 10 02:58:54 <gabrbedd> Anybody know who/wat sets the "OnlyShowIn" master string?  (E.g. X-MEEGO-HS)
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