**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 13 02:59:57 2011 Jun 13 03:00:12 well if you're on tablet-ux, a full-screen window is a guaranteed way to hose everything up Jun 13 03:00:38 you can generate the problem with any app that gives an undecorated fullscreen w/ no way to close it Jun 13 03:01:27 good morning Jun 13 03:01:53 hi iekku... you're up early! Jun 13 03:02:19 sunday almost over, good thing Jun 13 03:02:20 gabrbedd, i know, sorry Jun 13 03:02:35 have already take a shower etc Jun 13 03:03:01 iekku: No need to apologise. :-) Jun 13 03:03:29 is there a way of developing meego UX panels w/o having to init 3 / init 5 for every change?? Jun 13 03:04:19 npm: nohup pkill uxlaunch Jun 13 03:04:54 well that's not much different Jun 13 03:05:10 lil different Jun 13 03:05:12 :-) Jun 13 03:05:46 i was hoping more for a signal or a keypress (like F5 in qmlviewer) to reload updated qml Jun 13 03:05:54 gabrbedd, :) Jun 13 03:06:11 * npm makes a youtube panel for meego ux Jun 13 03:06:26 npm: Maybe... but you'd have to dig in the code to discover it. Jun 13 03:06:42 At least, I would have to dig... Jun 13 05:26:16 morning Jun 13 07:07:32 lbt: belated pong Jun 13 07:10:31 * RST38h ported fMSX to Android Jun 13 07:10:57 These Google guys almost exceeded Symbian in the amount of the build system cruft Jun 13 07:14:04 yes, meego has such a simple build system ;P Jun 13 07:14:15 and let's not forget OpenEmbedded Jun 13 07:28:23 Hi. I'm thinking about building an in-vehicle PC. I have some experience with this using Ubuntu and an LCD display for a vehicle-ish PC, but for a full-blown in-vehicle PC, Meego seems like the right choice. Jun 13 07:29:09 Now, before I buy hardware, I decided I'd try out Meego in VirtualBox. Unfortunately, the VirtualBox display driver isn't supported by Meego, so I attempted with a real computer with an nVidia card. No luck with the display either. Jun 13 07:29:23 forum has info for nvidia adaptors Jun 13 07:29:32 So I'm beginning to be a little worried that I may have to select very specific hardware in order to get Meego to work. Jun 13 07:30:02 Stskeeps: I say a post about nVidia, but it involved hacking, and I want something that can be easily upgraded without resorting to hacks. Jun 13 07:30:19 that is a weak hack :) Jun 13 07:30:28 sounds like you want to take an (older) atom board out for a spin Jun 13 07:30:47 Stskeeps: Yes, but still. I'm reasonably skilled with hacks, but I prefer to avoid them whenever I can. :) Jun 13 07:31:32 olewolf: meego isn't a desktop distro, :) Jun 13 07:31:34 Bostik: That's kind of a gamble, though, buying an older atom board just to see if it happens to work. Jun 13 07:32:00 olewolf: long story short you're kinda expected to do this kind of stuff, meego provides a platform Jun 13 07:32:02 olewolf: I'm sorry, I tried to imply finding one for testing for free first Jun 13 07:32:05 so vendor modded packages == norma Jun 13 07:32:06 l Jun 13 07:33:23 olewolf: live images which boot from USB stick are good for that kind of testing, you can take the stick with you as opposed to finding boards to borrow :) Jun 13 07:34:55 Bostik: Yup, that's how I took the stick with me around the house on various computers to see if they happened to work with Meego. None of them seemed to work, though, but then again, all of them use nVidia cards, and if nVidia cards don't work (out of the box) on Meego, obviously I won't have any luck on any of the computers. Jun 13 07:36:24 true enough Jun 13 07:37:08 one of my coworkers is all hyped up for tegra based boards but his enthusiasm has diminished a bit over the last week or so, ever since it became apparent that meego probably won't run easily on them after all Jun 13 07:37:32 vvaltone: If yu think Meego is badtobuild apps for, check out Android =) Jun 13 07:37:50 RST38h, I have Jun 13 07:40:29 Bostik: meego might run on them, but someone must put the effort of making it happen Jun 13 07:41:27 (and contact with nvidia for board support/binaries..) Jun 13 07:41:48 I'm assuming that you have the OpenGL drivers already Jun 13 07:41:54 what's the point of an NVidia board without them? Jun 13 07:42:06 I'd check out the Android sdk, if I had an android phone. Jun 13 07:42:21 And I'd accept an android phone, if someone paid me. :) Jun 13 07:42:39 alterego: you wouldn't take it even for free? Jun 13 07:42:58 thiago_home: yes, probably Jun 13 07:43:20 I'm working on an idea that'd I'd like to target all major plaforms, so yes, I probably would nab one for free. Jun 13 07:43:41 I'm waiting for my friends' to get upgrades, then see if they want to donate to me ;) Jun 13 07:43:42 thiago_home: I do understand that one, and wouldn't mind at allo if some of us could work on that - but at least for the foreseeable near-future that won't be possible Jun 13 07:44:11 there's a project to port meego to trimslice Jun 13 07:44:17 which is a tegra2 device Jun 13 07:44:41 vgrade has been looking into tegra adaptation afair Jun 13 07:45:10 for EGL drivers refer to bug 17570 Jun 13 07:45:12 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17570 nor, Undecided, ---, ibrahim, NEW, Lack of hardfp compiled graphics drivers from TI, Qualcomm, nVidia, etc Jun 13 07:45:13 tegra2 requires a vfpv3-d16 build Jun 13 07:45:18 oh.. yeah, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/TEGRA2 Jun 13 07:45:29 thiago_home: meego 1.2 is vfpv3-d16 Jun 13 07:45:35 I talked to NVidia last year about fixing that particular "issue" for tegra3 Jun 13 07:45:40 wonderful screenshots of twm on a tablet Jun 13 07:48:21 thiago_home: i think they announced NEON for that, yeah Jun 13 07:48:43 How good the Neon is, anyway? Jun 13 07:48:54 Given the length of the pipeline... Jun 13 07:49:18 Neon is good, but you have to write good algorithms Jun 13 07:49:44 Hi there! Jun 13 07:49:57 hi BestiaH Jun 13 07:50:07 for very short operations, it's not worth it Jun 13 07:50:54 Could somebody tell me how to publish the testing results?? Jun 13 07:51:06 BestiaH: meego-qa@ mailing list would be a good place Jun 13 07:51:15 cool Jun 13 07:51:18 thank you!! Jun 13 07:51:28 good morning Jun 13 07:51:39 morn julienf Jun 13 07:53:13 morning Stskeeps Jun 13 08:01:16 g'moaning julienf Jun 13 08:09:23 mece: yep, one has to know hourly status of which parties are trying to form the government now ;) Jun 13 08:10:15 err, wrong channel. Jun 13 08:23:05 morning alterego Jun 13 08:23:18 hi julienf Jun 13 08:23:44 hi iekku Jun 13 08:28:23 Busy day today Jun 13 08:35:29 http://pastie.org/2059845 <- anyone seen this and know how to resolve? "Warning: file:///usr/share/meego-app-music/main.qml:15:1: module "MeeGo.Sharing.UI" is not installed" Jun 13 08:36:55 libshare-ui or something like that Jun 13 08:36:58 there's a package for it Jun 13 08:37:51 hmmp Jun 13 08:38:09 grr... new bug :) Jun 13 08:38:25 i (honestly) think rpm should generate qml deps like it does with python Jun 13 08:38:39 * Sage starts filing bugs Jun 13 08:39:05 Stskeeps: yes that would be nice Jun 13 08:40:11 my first panel: http://nielsmayer.com/meego/tab/meego-ux-panels-youtube.png Jun 13 08:40:18 gnight... Jun 13 09:06:46 morning Jun 13 09:22:59 Morning, lardman Jun 13 09:25:29 hi Jaffa, I've got a fair few classes written for Proximus Jun 13 09:25:44 need to work out what format to pass rules to it though, if you have any thoughts Jun 13 09:26:17 also how to name the various functions/conditions, such as wifi_connected[to anything, to something in particular, to a list of things, etc] Jun 13 09:26:56 just waiting on a Garage project to be created for it Jun 13 09:42:03 morning Jaffa, lardman \o Jun 13 09:59:19 hi lcuk Jun 13 10:14:40 oh nice Jun 13 10:14:42 http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.3.20110609.2.DE.2011-06-13.1/images/ Jun 13 10:14:53 includes the renamed images already Jun 13 10:15:45 but the path has still DE Jun 13 10:24:59 iekku, well spotted! Jun 13 10:29:22 lardman, are you writing your app as a maemo gtk or maemo qt app? Jun 13 10:29:59 or even better qt/any os? Jun 13 10:38:45 lcuk, i used to be tester... Jun 13 11:07:14 lcuk: Maemo Qt, though it will be pretty cross platform (e.g. for Meego) Jun 13 11:19:50 lardman, good stuff Jun 13 12:07:06 Hi, I'm testing send file through bluetooth to mobile phone and doesn't work me on release 1.2 netbook version. Anybody know if is it bug, doesn't work yet or maybe is only my problem??? Jun 13 12:54:13 when I send a image or pdf file by bluetooth on netbook meego 1.2 it's fine Jun 13 12:54:49 but It's not possible to send different types files. Neither ogv or ogg Jun 13 12:55:47 Is this normal or is this a bug?. I haven't find anything about this in bugs.meego.com Jun 13 13:46:22 w00t: does ubuntu have packages for bonjour-qt ? Jun 13 13:46:58 it's not a library (though I wish it was part of QtNetwork), so just download the .zip from there and have at i Jun 13 13:46:59 t Jun 13 13:47:00 "libavahi-qt4" .. Jun 13 14:18:00 i've updated connection manager manually (built latest version from their releases). now after connect / disconnect i can't enable / disable anything or connect again. is there any limitation of zone code to specific version? Jun 13 14:33:43 anyone successfully installed some of the recent netbook/tablet images? here the installer hangs at "copying image..." Jun 13 14:34:52 there're two error lines on vt1: 'mount: / not mounted already, or bad option' and 'unable to re-mount root with SSD option' Jun 13 14:35:42 Saviq: How I recent? I filed a bug about this last week and it was just marked resolved Jun 13 14:35:52 Saviq: I am just testing right now with the latest image :) Jun 13 14:36:31 fiferboy: well, last available Jun 13 14:36:49 unless there were new ones Jun 13 14:37:05 mine were 20110607 Jun 13 14:37:25 I think those messages are warnings that aren't related to any problem with booting Jun 13 14:37:34 they just happen to be visible when booting goes bad Jun 13 14:37:38 I am testing with 20110610 Jun 13 14:37:55 I had the problem with 20110607 too Jun 13 14:38:08 what was the url for irc meeting logs? Jun 13 14:38:42 fiferboy: where did you get 0610 from? Jun 13 14:39:29 found it :) Jun 13 14:39:39 Saviq: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/testing/1.2.0.90/latest/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/ Jun 13 14:39:47 ah Jun 13 14:39:54 Still freezing on install for me though Jun 13 14:40:33 I believe it was the 20110609 image that was refrenced in the bug report as being fixed Jun 13 14:40:43 I will try that and re-open the bug if this is a regression Jun 13 14:42:12 timoph: I think it gets published with the meeting notes. Otherwise, I don't know that there is a log. Jun 13 14:42:34 timoph: If you need this morning's meeting (a bug triage?), I have it in my cache. Jun 13 14:43:54 gabrbedd: found it. http://irclogs.meego.com/meetbot/meego-meeting2/2011/ Jun 13 14:44:07 needed it for last weeks qa-tools meeting Jun 13 14:47:56 fiferboy: could you please post the bug#? Jun 13 14:49:02 Bug 18557 Jun 13 14:49:04 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18557 cri, High, ---, chengwei.yang, RESO FIXED, Installation freezes during live image copy Jun 13 14:53:01 fiferboy: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18655#c17 that doesn't sound good Jun 13 14:53:04 Bug 18655 cri, High, ---, chengwei.yang, RESO FIXED, [REG]Fail to install meego 1.2.0.90 image Jun 13 14:53:22 0609 seems to be affected, too Jun 13 14:54:38 Saviq: Yup, just tried it and get the same freeze Jun 13 14:56:00 I'm running MeeGo on an Aspire One netbook. From screenshots the Myzone area displays visited websites, but in my case it only displays Tweets. Why not other stuff? Jun 13 14:56:30 I should add, this is version 1.2 Jun 13 14:58:50 Saviq: Unless they have identified the problem but it is still not in the latest images for some reason Jun 13 14:59:07 fiferboy: I suppose the sr isn't yet there Jun 13 14:59:10 Does anyone know what an "sr id" is in regards to a bug report on meego.com? Jun 13 14:59:23 it's a submit request in obs Jun 13 15:00:25 but you can't see that without a build.meego.com account Jun 13 15:01:28 oh wait, you can http://build.meego.com/request/show/20445 http://build.meego.com/request/show/20531 Jun 13 15:03:00 Saviq: Yeah, that submit was June 13, so it wouldn't be in those builds Jun 13 15:03:22 and they're not accepted yet anyway Jun 13 15:04:40 s/they're/it's/ Jun 13 15:04:40 Saviq meant: and it's not accepted yet anyway Jun 13 15:04:54 the first one is declined Jun 13 15:05:58 So probably in review Jun 13 15:08:10 Neat, got Avahi and Qt working nicely together :) Jun 13 15:08:19 Pure Qt/C++ too, so no odd dependencies. Jun 13 15:12:05 alterego: Nice. Random service discovery FTW Jun 13 16:22:23 Hi - i am trying to compile the MeeGo Automotive kernel on my target hardware and when i do a zypper si kernel-adaptation-intel-automotive I get an error Jun 13 16:22:38 7.5.noarch.rpm [52% (277.2 KiB/sRetrieving: linux-firmware-20110128-7 -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' [root@localhost ~]# Retrieving -bash: Retrieving: command not found Jun 13 16:23:11 it looks to me like either there is something wrong with the file (bad syntax) Jun 13 16:24:53 has anyone else seen this? and what is the route to solution? do i need to file a bug? Jun 13 16:25:06 i'm working on a lines down issue with a customer - so its urgent Jun 13 16:25:19 i'd go out on a limb (i have no idea about compiling the kernel) and say you're missing a command bash is trying to run Jun 13 16:26:06 as to what that command is i have the faintest idea Jun 13 16:26:18 haven't* Jun 13 16:26:32 well once i get Retrieving: linux-firmware-20110128-7 -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' then all other commands are garpage Jun 13 16:43:26 Hello all Jun 13 19:23:15 lcuk: http://bacolicio.us//http://www.meego.com/ Jun 13 19:23:32 mmmmmm Jun 13 19:24:17 yyyyyyyyyyh Jun 13 19:35:19 according to the #liqbase clock, it is just before twenty five to nine. Jun 13 19:35:41 this service announcement has been made with the numbers 8, 3 and 4. Jun 13 21:39:42 anyone encountered problems with writing images to a memory stick? on Fedora 15 I'm having issues Jun 13 21:39:58 regardless of whether I use dd or image_writer, the machine locks up periodically Jun 13 21:40:12 and as a result the image written is corrupted Jun 13 21:40:25 Saviq, that is down to host machine and host os? Jun 13 21:41:00 os, I've successfully written images here before Jun 13 21:41:03 on suse Jun 13 21:41:26 Saviq: Yep, lcuk's right... there's no way that the image can be the problem. It's a problem with your OS/hardware. Jun 13 21:41:28 I will check on another machine with f15 Jun 13 21:41:36 ah yes, that I know Jun 13 21:41:56 I'm asking if anyone has ideas / workarounds? Jun 13 21:42:04 install meego! Jun 13 21:42:10 * lcuk grins evily Jun 13 21:42:27 well, I'm gonna have to get it on the damn stick, first :P Jun 13 21:42:40 chicken and egg Jun 13 21:42:54 how far through the image does it get? Jun 13 21:43:17 because the git in me would say, try booting it anyway if its >60-70% Jun 13 21:43:31 well, it says it got through completely Jun 13 21:43:32 it is like scratches on game disks Jun 13 21:43:36 then boot from it Jun 13 21:43:37 it locks up, then unlocks etc. Jun 13 21:43:39 it won't Jun 13 21:43:42 if all the data is there it will work Jun 13 21:43:51 complains about squashfs issues Jun 13 21:44:14 you mean, "after I making the image, and then booting from the image, my machine locks up" Jun 13 21:44:18 no Jun 13 21:44:26 of "whilst making the image it craps out" Jun 13 21:44:32 or ^ Jun 13 21:44:36 it locks up, but unlocks after a while Jun 13 21:44:42 Squashfs issues? Huh? Jun 13 21:44:44 ok, so take the usb key Jun 13 21:44:46 and boot from it Jun 13 21:44:51 lcuk: it won't boot Jun 13 21:44:54 that's what I'm saying Jun 13 21:44:56 right Jun 13 21:45:08 so the written data is corrupted Jun 13 21:45:09 what happens when you try and boot from it? Jun 13 21:45:15 Why would `dd` ever care about squashfs? Jun 13 21:45:23 gabrbedd: it doesn't Jun 13 21:45:27 let me start over Jun 13 21:45:44 the image, according to dd or image_writer, gets written correctly Jun 13 21:45:55 https://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook Jun 13 21:45:58 during the process, the host machine locks up for periods of time Jun 13 21:45:59 get image-writer from there Jun 13 21:46:03 insert usb stick Jun 13 21:46:04 got it from there Jun 13 21:46:11 run image-writer {yourimage} Jun 13 21:46:14 follow prompt Jun 13 21:46:23 lcuk: doing all that, to no avail Jun 13 21:46:33 Saviq: Maybe the download was corrupt? Did you check the hash? Jun 13 21:46:43 can you pastebin the ocmmand and all output given from image-writer Jun 13 21:46:47 command Jun 13 21:47:40 Saviq: the MD5 hashes are in the `MANIFEST` file next to where you downloaded the image. Jun 13 21:47:56 gabrbedd: yeah, checked those Jun 13 21:47:57 * lcuk needs coffee Jun 13 21:48:49 Also: if you're getting lockups during write, the image may be bad due to hardware failure (try running "dmesg" and see if there are any obvious errors). Check the MD5 sum of the USB stick, not just the source file, e.g. dd if=/dev/sdb bs=1 count= | md5sum Jun 13 21:51:40 Saviq: In addition to what andyross said... try different USB ports (if you have them). Jun 13 21:52:23 Saviq: I also have a flash drive that is un-trustable. So after a write I have to leave it in the machine for about 90 secs after a `sync` or there will be data corruption. Jun 13 21:55:03 gabrbedd: you're one of those people who puts empty ball point pens back in the cup too, aren't you? :) Seriously: throw that thing out. Jun 13 21:56:15 andyross: Why yes, yes I do. Jun 13 21:56:20 :-P Jun 13 21:59:39 can't have enough empty ball point pens Jun 13 22:00:55 (seriously: this has been the source of more marital strife than anything else in my family. My wife will take out a pen, discover it doesn't write well, then swap it with another. Known bad hardware: JUST SAY NO.) Jun 13 22:01:32 * alterego chuckles Jun 13 22:01:58 same goes for known bad microsd cards Jun 13 22:02:46 I once "reserved" a boot floppy in a lab by writing "BAD" on it. was there for months, and nobody touched it Jun 13 22:03:04 Ya gotta keep hope alive. Jun 13 22:03:08 lol Jun 13 22:05:09 Hah Jun 13 22:29:38 lcuk, gabrbedd, andyross: booted to rescuecd, used the same image, same image-writer and / or dd... everything's fine Jun 13 22:30:03 it's like some I/O threshold got triggered on fedora that prevented the data from going through properly Jun 13 22:30:27 maybe memory's scarce... Jun 13 22:33:15 No, that just plain shouldn't happen. There's nothing in dmesg showing an error? Jun 13 22:37:22 andyross: nope, dmesg's clean Jun 13 22:37:41 andyross: I believe that when the system is more or less idle, it managed to put the image in Jun 13 22:37:56 if there's anything else happening, all hell breaks loose Jun 13 22:40:10 My point was more that hell really shouldn't be breaking lose. :) That's a bug or bad hardware. Try with a different device, and if it still happens report it to your distro's bug tracker. Jun 13 22:40:59 yeah, will have to Jun 14 00:20:33 gabrbedd: Aren't you a little old to be quoting Phineas and Ferb? ;) Jun 14 00:47:00 pixelgeek: I have 4 kids. I can't escape it. And Phineas and Ferb are awesome. :-) Jun 14 02:45:50 good morning Jun 14 02:47:06 sup **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 14 02:59:57 2011