**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 26 02:59:57 2011 Jun 26 03:05:09 thebootroo_, mummas boy. You missed two calls from her Jun 26 03:05:14 thebootroo_, just kidding :p Jun 26 03:39:04 i just downloaded the Qt SDK Jun 26 03:39:23 but i can only target desktop and simulator Jun 26 03:39:40 how do i get symbian, harmattan and maemo to appear ? Jun 26 03:46:56 anyone know how to target symbian, maemo and harmattan from Qt creator IDE ?? Jun 26 03:47:11 in demos and tutorials it is already loaded and doesnt mention it Jun 26 03:47:21 mine just shows desktop and emulator Jun 26 03:47:49 re-installed Qt SDK and still same issue - must need to do something - anyone help me out ? Jun 26 03:50:51 hm Jun 26 03:51:30 I haven't paid any mind to Symbian, but for Maemo it (like symbian) was a matter of marking the targets at project setup Jun 26 03:51:46 I actually wish it had been that easy from the start :/ Jun 26 03:57:26 carter_: did you selected maemo target in installator ? if not, start sdk manager and add it Jun 26 03:57:41 greatest thread in da wurld ! http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=23307#post23307 Jun 26 03:57:46 ok let me go try this - thanks Jun 26 03:57:47 :D Jun 26 03:58:04 let Mee o Jun 26 03:58:08 *Go Jun 26 03:58:38 i saw that thread, thats you here on IRC - cool :) Jun 26 03:58:48 yes its me Jun 26 03:58:55 happy to say someone recognize me Jun 26 03:59:01 heh Jun 26 03:59:04 did you subscribed the thread ? Jun 26 03:59:23 thebootroo_, your glamorous and famous! Jun 26 03:59:33 Termana: ^^ Jun 26 03:59:40 yes indeed :) haha Jun 26 03:59:43 O RLY ? Jun 26 04:00:06 http://www.mondespersistants.com/images/screenshots/28452.jpg Jun 26 04:00:38 dude ur too much Jun 26 04:00:50 me and my lady laughing :) Jun 26 04:01:00 oh oh oh ur lady Jun 26 04:01:05 my respects to her Jun 26 04:01:12 sent Jun 26 04:01:24 im a noob so yes you're famous Jun 26 04:01:33 who has actually tested the stuff in my gitorious ? Jun 26 04:01:36 also desperate to develop Jun 26 04:01:38 Termana: you did ? Jun 26 04:02:01 thebootroo_, I can say I did, if it makes you feel better Jun 26 04:02:33 moving right along Jun 26 04:02:41 no i just want to know Jun 26 04:02:47 thebootroo_, at least 9 others like it :p Jun 26 04:03:10 9 like but no feed back on the coded thing Jun 26 04:03:18 weird world Jun 26 04:04:01 thebootroo_, pro-tip: build some binaries Jun 26 04:04:17 people will be more willing to test it if they don't have to build it themselves. Jun 26 04:04:25 i can build only for linux Jun 26 04:04:29 32 bits Jun 26 04:04:48 and that's quite hard (qt creator doesn't do it automatically) Jun 26 04:04:50 which is all of meego Jun 26 04:07:52 (sigh) where is the sdk manager ? Jun 26 04:09:18 ok so you have to select experimental ? Jun 26 04:10:42 to have harmattan yes Jun 26 04:11:00 weird i didnt see symbian too Jun 26 04:11:20 thanks for your help thus far - know its more interesting to help people who know what they're talking about Jun 26 04:11:37 famous but yet humble Jun 26 04:15:26 hmm Jun 26 04:15:33 my sdk manager seems to be completely broken Jun 26 04:22:00 sdk manager is the sdk-mainenance tool - correct ? Jun 26 04:22:59 ya Jun 26 04:23:04 won't run for me anymore Jun 26 04:24:41 weird, u running old Qt sdk - did you update at all or you cant do that because cant access it Jun 26 04:25:41 I reinstalled the latest the other day, then used the updater to pull down the harmattan stuff Jun 26 04:26:59 im a noob, so may say stupid things but did you install correct bit version Jun 26 04:27:17 http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/Latest/Linux also good documentation for anyone looking for it Jun 26 04:27:20 I'm just gonna dump it and reinstall Jun 26 04:27:21 it is helping me Jun 26 04:27:29 good luck Jun 26 04:27:49 I'm not working with the harmattan sdk at the moment Jun 26 04:28:05 (I have ubuntu in virtualbox, and Xephyr crashes. also, I hate scratchbox.) Jun 26 05:01:29 anyone in washington DC area get onto the MeeGo forum and post on the appropriate thread http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3632 to express an interest in showcasing apps, tutorials, learning, meeting fellow ameeGos Jun 26 05:01:31 you know the drill Jun 26 05:01:44 dont be shy if you're in the DC area Jun 26 06:54:03 mood groaning Jun 26 07:12:00 did the N9 get killed already??? Jun 26 07:24:46 TSCHAKeee: again? ;) Jun 26 07:24:59 ????? Jun 26 07:40:01 BTW anyone knows why phone running meego are so expensive ? Jun 26 07:43:40 OK Jun 26 07:43:41 now i see Jun 26 07:43:46 the bloody specs of the device ! Jun 26 07:44:02 hell with those specs i can loose a desktop Linux on the dam thing Jun 26 07:45:41 anyone know why i cant target symbian devices in Qt creator Jun 26 07:46:01 i have got harmatan and maemo to show as targets now Jun 26 07:46:08 but symbian stil nowhere to be sene Jun 26 07:46:18 any thoughts... ??? Jun 26 07:47:23 wrong channel Jun 26 07:47:41 dm8tbr: what would be the right one one might ask next ? Jun 26 07:47:53 Qantourisc: I meant carter_ Jun 26 07:47:59 dm8tbr: i know :) Jun 26 07:48:15 dm8tbr: but if he is here, i'm not sure he knows the "right" channel :) Jun 26 07:48:28 I remember there being a qt channel or even a qt symbian channel Jun 26 07:48:38 was there once for 5min Jun 26 07:48:39 nice Jun 26 07:48:41 there is #qt-creator Jun 26 07:49:07 i like hanging out with ameeGos though -- but you shot me down Jun 26 07:49:13 * Qantourisc strols around this channel to figure out the features of meego, so he knows if he wan't to use it on his phone, he hasn't bough yet :p Jun 26 07:49:14 shame on you ;) Jun 26 07:52:50 hey Qantourisc Jun 26 07:52:50 Qantourisc: there is another tiny spec. the meego phone runs harmattan. Jun 26 07:53:06 SpeedEvil: hello Jun 26 07:53:08 I don't think there is a meego phone you can buy. Jun 26 07:53:23 AAAAAAaaaa Jun 26 07:53:27 You can put meego on the n900. Jun 26 07:53:46 that might explain why it's so hard to get specs and info on usability and integratabilit Jun 26 07:54:13 The N9 is planned to be the first consumer meego phone - but that's several months off. Jun 26 07:54:21 And how meego it is is quite questionable. Jun 26 07:54:39 "ow" Jun 26 07:55:17 Is there any decent mobile phone os out there ? Jun 26 07:57:44 Well - the n900 is still available in some stores apparantly - though dissapearing. Jun 26 07:57:51 Also on ebay. Jun 26 07:58:09 Then you've got android, iOS, blackberry, and windows phone. Jun 26 07:58:12 SpeedEvil: yes, but i don't know yet what meego can "do" Jun 26 07:58:14 Take your pick. Jun 26 07:58:28 iOS: manditory apple store Jun 26 07:58:29 Meego at the moment is a framework on which makers can build. Jun 26 07:58:35 android: ridled with security bugs ? Jun 26 07:58:48 blackberry: you need a blackberrt server Jun 26 07:58:54 It's fundamentally linux - but how the user interface will look is almost entirely dependant on the device maker. Jun 26 07:58:55 windows phone: you need to reboot once in a while ... Jun 26 07:59:17 symbian: no clue :) Jun 26 08:00:01 Symbian is windond gown. Jun 26 08:00:21 There are to be no new S60 phones - S40 is the low-end - that's still being marketed in asia Jun 26 08:00:26 winding down Jun 26 08:00:34 s40 is not symbian Jun 26 08:00:55 Current plan is to end sybian in high end phones for sale by 2014 Jun 26 08:00:57 It's not? Jun 26 08:00:59 SpeedEvil: what i'm mostly concerned about: does it do SyncML, webdav, imap, ?ldap?, ssh (this can be handy to fix something fast), ... Jun 26 08:00:59 Oops Jun 26 08:01:04 can one expect to see symbian anna for s60 phones (E5)? Jun 26 08:01:23 SpeedEvil: or even owa Jun 26 08:01:28 Qantourisc: See above - there is no meego phone. Jun 26 08:02:01 Qantourisc: What appears on a phone that ships as a meego phone is dependant on the vendor. Jun 26 08:02:01 SpeedEvil: well if software is avaible, and can be installed it falls under "you can but" Jun 26 08:02:05 True. Jun 26 08:02:10 i'm considering whether to buy (cheap) nokia C3 and extend contract for one year only and then see if there are are some affordable meego phones available or go with 2yr contract and buy E5 hoping to be able to write some app using python+qt? Jun 26 08:02:38 SpeedEvil: but i have no clue where to find and check the software that works on it, and how to figure out what that software can do Jun 26 08:03:27 gour: off-topic Jun 26 08:03:27 otoh, considering we'll use py+qt for the desktop, itz's obvious that meego is the best mobile platform... Jun 26 08:03:46 gour: we don't know of any future products any more than you do Jun 26 08:03:58 gour: there's exactly one MeeGo-based phone announced Jun 26 08:04:12 yeah, i know about it Jun 26 08:04:17 Qantourisc: You might look at n900-ce - http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/CE_Factsheet Jun 26 08:04:45 This is meego + layers to make it work well on the n900 plus stuff Jun 26 08:05:05 araujo: ping Jun 26 08:05:13 It would be 'simple' to get working on a meego phone even if it diddn't have the features listed Jun 26 08:07:07 SpeedEvil: if you had a n900 :) Jun 26 08:07:12 thiago: so there is nothing announced from intel side? Jun 26 08:07:29 Qantourisc: ? Jun 26 08:07:39 SpeedEvil: think i'll best stick to the plan: wait till the/a phone comes out, and check the software-specs Jun 26 08:07:41 gour: The exopc. Jun 26 08:07:48 Qantourisc: Ah Jun 26 08:08:02 gour: No announced x86 phones. Jun 26 08:08:05 "It would be 'simple' to get working on a meego phone even if it diddn't have the features listed" <= if i had a phone that could run it Jun 26 08:08:14 gour: you know as much as we do Jun 26 08:08:22 SpeedEvil: thanks...i'm still looking for a phone, not a tablet Jun 26 08:08:42 yes - if you had a phone that ran meego, that would let you screw with the software - then you coukld get all the features of the n900-ce Jun 26 08:08:55 (but the vendor phone package might be considerably more polished) Jun 26 08:09:49 gour: Intel hasn't yet announced anything. It's questionable if htey'd direclty release a consumer product anyway. How far they are from having compelling silicon for vendors is a seperate and interesting question. Jun 26 08:09:57 If you seen my desktop-software-stack, you known i don't mind polish :) I care about doing things easily, and using standards, not locking me into software X so i can switch to Y if i like it more Jun 26 08:10:36 SpeedEvil: having meego depend on nokia is disaster Jun 26 08:10:37 As I understand it, there is nothing stopping vendors making a locked-down meego phone. Jun 26 08:10:55 gour: With nokias current course, yes. Jun 26 08:11:11 SpeedEvil: with elop as ceo, i do not see it will change soon Jun 26 08:11:47 Any phonemaker can lock down any phone (or try)... not sure how the OS helps with that Jun 26 08:12:11 I was referring to your imlicit assumption that meego = open Jun 26 08:12:42 shame the consummers are catle, otherwise any locked down phone would have a short life :/ Jun 26 08:12:51 i do not want to buy iphone, avoding android, not believing in wp7, webos is not certain...it really sucks Jun 26 08:12:55 gour: yeah. Though CEOs move on to pastures new. Hell - with 7% of microsoft stock (IIRC) - I'd not be heading up a phone company, but doing something similar to Elon Musk. Jun 26 08:13:21 gour: go for freerunner with SHR ;-D Jun 26 08:13:43 One of the founders of paypal, who has in a few years reduced the cost of spacelaunch by a factor of several. Jun 26 08:13:48 you definitely won't find any phone more free and open Jun 26 08:14:04 DocScrutinizer: freerunner project is still alive? still, i believe it's not usable as phone Jun 26 08:14:10 gour: same feeling here Jun 26 08:14:43 And essentially helped to kill an overpriced US rocket program - singlehanded. Jun 26 08:14:44 ooh, some brave users (incl me) have actually used it as a phone for months, some for yeras now Jun 26 08:14:45 SpeedEvil: I doubt he has 7%. That's a high number for anyone that is not billg or ballmer Jun 26 08:14:50 Now that's a cool use for some billions. Jun 26 08:14:55 that's a high number for *anyone* Jun 26 08:15:25 Oops Jun 26 08:15:30 DocScrutinizer: 'used' ? what do you have now, n900? Jun 26 08:15:32 Figure was 7th highest owner - not 7% Jun 26 08:16:15 sure Jun 26 08:17:18 7th non-trust or private or whatever real person owner Jun 26 08:19:00 Ok - 130000 shares - which isn't that much actually. Jun 26 08:19:08 Only 3.2M value Jun 26 08:20:12 omg the poor starving guy Jun 26 08:21:26 now it's clear to me why NOK has to go penny stocks - otherwise he couldn't afford to buy it out Jun 26 08:22:23 He's claimed he's now sold all his MSFT and bought NOK Jun 26 08:22:37 #meego-bar please Jun 26 08:22:38 thiago: Error: "meego-bar" is not a valid command. Jun 26 08:25:06 heh Jun 26 08:25:14 boss: botsnack Jun 26 08:25:14 dm8tbr: Error: "botsnack" is not a valid command. Jun 26 08:25:20 :( Jun 26 08:25:29 MeeGoBot: botsnack Jun 26 08:25:31 yay Jun 26 08:25:57 * gour already thought he is the only one being punished with thiago's 'offtopic' :-} Jun 26 08:28:00 The discussion of future meego phones is quite on-topic IMO - but not nokia CEO et al Jun 26 08:29:08 * gour nods Jun 26 08:29:31 * dm8tbr is still very interested to see how well N9 and N950 will integrate into the 'meego ecosystem' Jun 26 08:30:33 Indeed. Jun 26 08:30:35 n950 is much more interested for me, but it's not sold freely, right? Jun 26 08:30:46 n950 is not available to customers. Jun 26 08:30:49 Unfortunately. Jun 26 08:30:49 n950 is announced as generally available (non-developer) product? Jun 26 08:30:56 no Jun 26 08:31:01 If I was in the market for a phone, it's the phone I'd want at the moment. Jun 26 08:31:02 didn't think so Jun 26 08:33:06 dm8tbr: so how does developer-only n950 product integrate into any ecosystem? Jun 26 08:34:21 Jay_BEE: the n9 and the n950 are very similar. if you mention the n9 it in most cases will apply to the n950 too Jun 26 08:34:30 and in this case it does Jun 26 08:34:35 they use the same OS Jun 26 08:34:59 but supposedly only 250 n950's will be distributed Jun 26 08:35:09 250 to open-source developers. Jun 26 08:35:18 it's a joke Jun 26 08:35:21 There are considerably more going through the corporate side reportedly Jun 26 08:35:23 ah Jun 26 08:35:42 as commercial developers need hardware too Jun 26 08:35:51 [01:32] it's a joke <--- I'll roll with this response Jun 26 08:35:58 Exactly how many more is an interesting question, given Nokias strong statement of support for meego back in Feburary. Jun 26 08:36:19 heh. Jun 26 08:36:21 actually I think 250 for the meego community is remarkeably many Jun 26 08:36:55 I suspect thse are in fact test devices made back in september or so Jun 26 08:37:01 maybe a little later Jun 26 08:38:20 Forget Meego-based phones, won't be any Jun 26 08:38:47 The next thing to look for is Rasterman's project at LG Jun 26 08:38:49 we have yet to see one truly meego based phone Jun 26 08:39:09 "truly" is unnecessary in that statement Jun 26 08:39:15 RST38h: linearo? Jun 26 08:39:18 * SpeedEvil forgets the name. Jun 26 08:39:27 SpeedEvil: Something like this, Linaro? Jun 26 08:39:35 RST38h: well meego also exists as a marketing name. and sadly you can't argue with that Jun 26 08:39:56 dm8tbr: Not giving a rat's ass about marketing. Not paid to do it. Jun 26 08:40:12 dm8tbr: Not paid to listen to it either. Jun 26 08:40:37 RST38h: waht shall we do? buy hp's webos? Jun 26 08:40:38 if you're spending paid time right now, something is fundamentally wrong with your weekend Jun 26 08:43:53 gour: I would say, get the N9 while it lasts, and look forward for Linaro, unless you want to do your very own Meego-based Handset phone Jun 26 08:44:13 dm8tbr: Not into psychology either. Jun 26 08:44:45 RST38h: unlocked N9 is too expensive here...let me consult uncle google about linaro Jun 26 08:45:27 cool, there is #linaro Jun 26 08:50:52 http://zyalt.livejournal.com/416590.html <-- last of the Russian "Buran" shuttles being transported for restoration Jun 26 08:51:22 Nice internal photos, too Jun 26 08:51:44 Is there a orbiter UX? Jun 26 08:53:22 You mean, for 770? :) Jun 26 08:53:59 RST38h: rasterman is at samsung Jun 26 08:54:37 Ok, Samsung it is though Jun 26 08:54:52 As much as I hate the idea of buying a Samsung :) Jun 26 08:56:41 e17 on the moko was nice Jun 26 08:56:42 :P Jun 26 09:01:01 Moorning wazd Jun 26 10:02:03 gn Jun 26 10:03:22 good morning Jun 26 10:04:54 good evening Jun 26 10:05:10 .oO(we should put this channel on UGT) Jun 26 10:05:54 evening? heh! :) Jun 26 10:07:50 we're past noon ;) Jun 26 10:07:56 at least in EEST Jun 26 10:11:13 UTC it's still morning :P Jun 26 10:14:04 we are close to afternoon atleast in asia :) Jun 26 10:19:19 Here in Australia its already evening :) Jun 26 10:19:30 that's why I said to move to UGT ;) Jun 26 10:19:47 http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Jun 26 10:22:43 to choose between laminated ass and fried ass.. how daunting Jun 26 10:57:47 BINGO, my cell broadcast dumper WORKS Jun 26 10:58:07 oops, wrong channel Jun 26 10:58:23 :-D Jun 26 11:16:52 should it be possible to run the preinstalled harmattan apps in qemu? I'm only getting the error message "Cannot find booster socket" (apart from lot's of failure during system startup) Jun 26 11:38:14 Does this 'swipe' UX of the N9 run on meego on the n900 as well? Does someone know if it's proprietary or open source? Jun 26 11:39:05 Shapeshifter: it's proprietary and does not run on the N900 Jun 26 11:39:45 I see. Jun 26 11:40:07 is there any additional repos/apps for harmattan? Jun 26 11:41:57 anybody know when a new firmware for n950 is coming? we bricked ours and the one available online is an earlier version than the one we got on our phone - so the phone refuses to "downgrade" :( Jun 26 11:43:16 'brick' is irreversible. let's hope that's not the case for yours Jun 26 11:44:05 flasher provides several "erase" options. might work if erasing the current version first Jun 26 11:44:13 just guessing, never tried myself Jun 26 11:45:49 dm8tbr: well, we do see a Nokia logo on startup, and it does respond to hold for 8-sec reboot etc Jun 26 11:46:49 I assume you're not suffering from low battery? Jun 26 11:46:59 Can you take hte battery out of a n950? Jun 26 11:47:09 SpeedEvil: not without special tools Jun 26 11:47:10 yes if you remove the back-cover Jun 26 11:47:14 really? Jun 26 11:47:18 k Jun 26 11:47:22 special-tools as in 'screw-driver', yes Jun 26 11:47:42 Did it stop working immediately after you flashed it? Jun 26 11:47:56 IOr did soemthing else wierd to it? Jun 26 11:49:08 SpeedEvil: dm8tbr: we tried OTA on it, not quite sure how that went (was occupied elsewhere) but when we got back to it all it had was showing the Nokia logo white on black, and thats it Jun 26 11:49:13 snowpong: what version were you running? Jun 26 11:51:30 snowpong: I see, sorry no real insight then. Jun 26 11:51:40 alterego: not sure, we got a notification there was an OTA available, we said YAY and thats it :| We've tried the Mac flasher, it refuses to "downgrade" - I'll try the linux one (probably the same/similar though) Jun 26 11:53:47 hah, Jun 26 11:53:50 That's not good :D Jun 26 11:57:26 I'm not sure about the N950, but the N8 was "wired" so that a +10s power key press = hard power off Jun 26 12:00:54 I'm surprised downgrading was killed, it was possible on all previous NITs Jun 26 12:03:00 maybe it needs RnD mode enabled? Jun 26 12:05:06 not that I know of (N900, not N950) Jun 26 12:12:24 you guys got your N950 already? how much storage does it have internally just out of curiousity? (I've submitted my application for N9 devkit not long ago) Jun 26 12:13:19 Some have had it for a while. Jun 26 12:13:28 Corporate. Jun 26 12:13:33 64GBs afaik (don't have an N950) Jun 26 12:13:36 nda :) Jun 26 12:13:44 I don't - think - any community peeps have. Jun 26 12:13:48 yeah I'm somewhat jealous Jun 26 12:14:01 rootfs is 4GBs, home is 2GBs, the rest is mmc2 (MyDocs equiv.) Jun 26 12:14:04 I'm presuming community peeps get it sometime after the applications close Jun 26 12:14:21 psycho_oreos: Or before, for very clear applications Jun 26 12:14:29 MohammadAG, 64GB (!) if one keeps N950, it'll make N9 rather useless ;) Jun 26 12:14:39 yes, 'very clear cases' are supposed to ship immediately Jun 26 12:14:43 SpeedEvil, *nods* probably also true :) Jun 26 12:14:46 psycho_oreos, the N9's the same Jun 26 12:15:01 MohammadAG, I hear they come in 16GB-64GB for N9 Jun 26 12:15:15 psycho_oreos, well, there's a 64GB version :P Jun 26 12:15:27 dang! I don't think my case is going to be clear :/ Jun 26 12:15:40 to me it seems rootfs now lives on the eMMC Jun 26 12:15:54 MohammadAG, indeed, I was assmuming that with N950 they won't give out the devs 64GB version but still! Jun 26 12:16:07 hey, I may be wrong Jun 26 12:16:18 also the FCC states a 12MP CZ cam Jun 26 12:16:21 I guess only time wil tell Jun 26 12:16:26 s/wil/will/ Jun 26 12:16:26 psycho_oreos meant: I guess only time will tell Jun 26 12:16:40 rather than the 8 pointed out in release notes Jun 26 12:16:54 dm8tbr: indeed - the bureaucracy here is extremely shallow, and there's so many options... but of course there's a lot of cases to get through as well :) Jun 26 12:17:14 I expect they got swamped, yes Jun 26 12:17:15 supposedly there's FM transmitter too or so I hear from some people. The hardware is there but the software and driver is unknown at this stage Jun 26 12:17:26 and my chances to get one are prolly shallow Jun 26 12:17:42 if you think your case is shallow, mine would be neglegible lol Jun 26 12:18:07 well, texrat mentioned 400 requests two days ago :P Jun 26 12:18:24 MohammadAG: for the 250 devices they have? Jun 26 12:18:28 psycho_oreos: _if_ they use ti wl127x then it has a built in fm-rx-tx, BUT that needs the proper busses connected etc Jun 26 12:18:35 yep Jun 26 12:18:40 also, I noticed something a little interesting with the application process, it seems to be a counter for the number of applications am I correct? if so its probably up to like 583 cases Jun 26 12:19:00 psycho_oreos: it's most likely an overall counter Jun 26 12:19:16 iow it also counts exopc requests Jun 26 12:19:32 583 fits with the 400 texrat mentioned though Jun 26 12:19:37 dm8tbr, yeah the wl1271x has interesting features that wl1251 lacks in many retrospecs Jun 26 12:19:48 dm8tbr, ahh exopc Jun 26 12:20:05 shouldn't be hard to write something ala fmtxd for it Jun 26 12:20:46 though I think dm8tbr was talking hardware-wise :) also N9 was rumoured to not have FM transmitter capability Jun 26 12:21:09 qgil confirmed it does, on the HW side at least Jun 26 12:21:20 if N950 has it connected, then that's one up for N950 over N9 Jun 26 12:21:30 for N9? hm Jun 26 12:21:57 the question will be if e.g. the antenna is coupled into one of the headphone pins Jun 26 12:22:13 yes, FMTX HW is in the N9 Jun 26 12:22:29 but there's no SW for it Jun 26 12:22:43 shouldn't be hard to write something ala fmtxd for it Jun 26 12:22:55 ahh so they'll be equivalent then I guess Jun 26 12:23:41 wonder if they'll have a proper chip that interfaces with the remote controls on a headphone. The N900 lacked that feature, and not only that it didn't have line-input recording or mic recording Jun 26 12:24:16 psycho_oreos, afaik DocScrutinizer and jacekowski on #maemo looked at that Jun 26 12:24:43 psycho_oreos: that can actually be quite a bitch unless you use NRZ coding (have first hand experience). besides it makes more sense to use BT a2dp Jun 26 12:24:58 MohammadAG, yeah I saw that, N900 lacked that capability, so I think they've given up hopes of making N900 work with headset buttons on wired headphone/headset Jun 26 12:25:28 dm8tbr, then again, not everyone can afford bluetooth stuff :) Jun 26 12:26:06 psycho_oreos: stuff getting dirt-cheap nowadays, really Jun 26 12:26:10 I mean apart from N900 being able to I think hang up? which was to just shorten the signal on the first ring, that was it Jun 26 12:27:06 dm8tbr, not if you've just saved up enough money to buy N900 for instance and you wanted to make it more of a music player Jun 26 12:27:13 dm8tbr: the mb hs don't use anything special Jun 26 12:27:31 DocScrutinizer: 'mb' 'hs'? Jun 26 12:27:41 could be done on N900 as well Jun 26 12:27:46 mainboard headset I think Jun 26 12:27:49 nultibutton headset Jun 26 12:27:53 bah close Jun 26 12:28:08 mompls Jun 26 12:28:19 DocScrutinizer: ah, did it have the proper sensing for that? Jun 26 12:29:09 DocScrutinizer: my last experience with this stuff is from an Archos PMA430 which even had a LC display, but used some ugly serial encoding that was getting into the AF Jun 26 12:29:18 should have used NRZ Jun 26 12:30:47 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=21182&page=17 Jun 26 12:32:16 iirc jacekowski had some scope shots on the serial protokol. Simple one wire "common collector" pulldown on mic bias line Jun 26 12:32:38 some 1000 baud iirc Jun 26 12:33:39 holler if you need more links Jun 26 12:33:56 tx, I'm fine :) Jun 26 12:45:25 what's driver status for nokia-av.ko on meego? Jun 26 12:52:38 Whats nokia-av.ko for? Jun 26 12:55:16 probably AV connector, as the name suggests Jun 26 12:55:19 Presumably driving the A/V output .. Jun 26 13:15:35 aiui it's the bit that detects video cable, headset, headphone, and probably also hs buttonpress. Natural place where multibutton hs support should go Jun 26 15:10:39 Why doesn't anyone talk about MeeGo even in MeeGo-related channels? :\ Jun 26 15:11:43 because IRC isn't constant chatter Jun 26 15:12:28 Still, considering all the activity on other OS-related channels here on freenode...it felt kinda weird Jun 26 15:12:39 It's the weekend Jun 26 15:12:45 Also considering how awesome an OS MeeGo appears to be, judging from the N9 videos Jun 26 15:13:01 Well, it's Nokia holidays now Jun 26 15:13:11 Zehrila: the OS on the N9 and MeeGo are at best peripherally related Jun 26 15:13:57 Yeah I heard the UI of N9 was a custom-built layer, with MeeGo running at the core level Jun 26 15:14:13 Zehrila: the UI is custom built, but the lower layers are actually based on Maemo Jun 26 15:14:20 But overall, it seemed to be extremely impressive Jun 26 15:14:26 the middle layer, where Qt and the other APIs reside, is compatible with MeeGo Jun 26 15:14:37 I think the common things between MeeGo and N9 is QT Jun 26 15:14:38 wmarone: Well MeeGo itself is based on Maemo too, no? Maemo and Moblin i.e. Jun 26 15:14:40 for some values of QT Jun 26 15:14:56 MeeGo has parts from the two parent OSes Jun 26 15:15:01 Yup Jun 26 15:15:04 but it is otherwise independent Jun 26 15:15:10 And additional code that doesn't come from either too, I understand Jun 26 15:15:13 yes Jun 26 15:16:50 does anybody know if its possible to add an "app" into the program-starter-menu? Jun 26 15:17:32 i don't mean installing some application, just adding a new icon to the applications-menu to start some script or binary Jun 26 15:25:28 blindfish_: you can create a .desktop file for it in /usr/share/applications Jun 26 15:34:50 I can't wait till I can get my hands on the Nokia N9...I have never craved for any phone this way Jun 26 15:35:31 Judging from the videos, the experience that phone's UI offers is what I'd call 'getting a smartphone UI just right' Jun 26 15:36:41 Though what sucks is Nokia abandoning MeeGo in favor of WP7...while the latter in itself is an awesome OS and it was a smart business move for Nokia, it's the 'exclusive' bit that sucks...Nokia could have made both WP7 and MeeGo phones Jun 26 15:37:44 yeah choice is good Jun 26 15:38:29 well Jun 26 15:38:34 it's good unless you're Microsoft ;) Jun 26 15:39:54 thanks berndhs, i thought they'd be somewhere in $HOME Jun 26 15:40:16 I still don't see WP7 going anywhere productive. Jun 26 15:44:19 GAN900 I tried using a WP7 device for a change Jun 26 15:44:53 Switching from Android, the first 2-3 days were quite a hassle but as I kept on finding alternative apps for much of the stuff I did on Android, I found out it's good enough for most users already Jun 26 15:45:22 It was after a mmonth or so that I finally decided to get back to Android because that's the primary platform I write about Jun 26 15:46:28 *sigh* I just want an N9 ASAP =( Jun 26 15:46:35 I'm neck-deep-in-love! Jun 26 15:46:45 Nokia's CEO doesn't want to sell you one Jun 26 15:47:00 Heh true that Jun 26 15:47:30 BTW imagine if N9 becomes a HUGE success (which is most likely and in all fairness will), and Nokia's first WP7 device doesn't do quarter as much business as the N9 Jun 26 15:47:35 kind of shame that if you want their fancy ui, you can't use meego ce Jun 26 15:48:56 Well I don't mind using MeeGo's stock UI either but being practical, Nokia's UI just got it right in my opinion...the swipe gestures for task switching and data streams/notifications...took the best from other OS's and added more of their own goodness Jun 26 15:49:00 I'm not so sure, N9's maemo platform is a deadend, so why would people devel apps for it? Jun 26 15:49:14 Zehrila: Then Nokia will use its contractual freedom to add swipe onto WP7 Jun 26 15:49:38 maligor: well, you get the crowd that already is developing maemo apps Jun 26 15:50:10 SpeedEvil: Perhaps...or they might not even need to, since ManGo is going to add WebOS-like task switching already Jun 26 15:50:12 berndhs, well, yes, and perhaps a few who make meego apps also, since there are similarities in making apps for them Jun 26 15:50:24 Err I said ManGo LOL...I'm obsessed with MeeGo it seems Jun 26 15:51:07 Being an Android fan, I was really looking forward to MeeGo BTW...since Android doesn't really have any competition that's actually in its league...iOS and WP7 can be commercially in its league but not as operating systems Jun 26 15:51:23 And MeeGo was looking great to be in the same league as Android...would have been better for both these platforms Jun 26 15:51:25 'was'? Jun 26 15:51:28 Zehrila: note that the swipe task switcher seems a bit different from the meegotouchhome one (which was much more webos based =) ) Jun 26 15:51:41 I hope it's still the case though I'm skeptical due to Nokia's withdrawal Jun 26 15:52:00 javispedro: Yup...so it is =) Jun 26 15:52:05 I think that Symbian is still the best smartphone OS in the mainstream at the moment. Jun 26 15:52:11 well, there will be tablets Jun 26 15:52:15 Beats Android, iOS and Windows Phone hands down .. Jun 26 15:52:23 Tablets are lame :P Jun 26 15:52:30 * TSCHAKeee can't stand symbian Jun 26 15:52:32 alterego, why are they lame? Jun 26 15:52:50 I personally never got myself to like Symbian despite repeated attempts with devices like P910i, N95 etc. Jun 26 15:53:03 Venemo: I just think they're a trend that will disappear Jun 26 15:53:07 Was a WinMo person before Android and have been an Android person eversince Jun 26 15:53:08 as a market that is. Jun 26 15:53:23 and why? Jun 26 15:53:25 Tablets are quite useful for many people =) Jun 26 15:54:44 In the future I see, desktops and laptop PCs are going to be the ones disappearing from mainstream public use...as smartphones and tablets, with NFC-based pairing with keyboards, mice, printers and audio devices, and HDMI output, will most likely replace them for most users Jun 26 15:55:54 Tablets are dead in the long term Jun 26 15:55:58 These devices are building up on the horsepower quite fast already and take a look at the ASUS Eee Pad Transformer...it ships with a dock that converts it into a netbook and with the currently available Android apps, a lot of users (except for some power users, programmers/developers and hardcore gamers) can use it as their primary computer much of the time Jun 26 15:56:12 * thiago doesn't see either laptops or desktops disappearing Jun 26 15:56:16 Right now it's just old people proping them up. Jun 26 15:56:23 thiago, netbooks might Jun 26 15:56:25 GAN900:: Not really Jun 26 15:56:30 yes, netbooks might Jun 26 15:56:34 A lot of young people use them Jun 26 15:56:56 Netbooks are already on a decline in favor of tablets Jun 26 15:57:02 GAN900: You really can't see a use-case for a ~10" display? Jun 26 15:57:08 Rather than ~4"? Jun 26 15:57:32 4" tablet is a smartphone Jun 26 15:57:36 8-10" will always be more comfortable than 3-4" Jun 26 15:57:45 all this display size stuff will go away when we have the retina projection chip :) Jun 26 15:57:46 Heh there were famous people back then who didn't see use-cases for more than 64k of RAM Jun 26 15:57:48 thiago: yes - I meant that Jun 26 15:58:35 Zehrila, we were actually looking at the transformer at work last week, it's baffling, it lacks a microusb slave port, so it's worthless for development Jun 26 15:58:40 wait a little, not long and you roll out your display to virtually any size you want Jun 26 15:58:41 holographic projectors Jun 26 15:59:10 maligor: Yup, that's what I said above...these devices won't replace computers for those into development just yet Jun 26 15:59:20 thiago: you cannot project holograms. Jun 26 15:59:26 See this part in what I said: (except for some power users, programmers/developers and hardcore gamers) Jun 26 15:59:47 Zehrila, I didn't mean compilation, but the android debug system uses the microusb Jun 26 15:59:49 thiago: you need something behind the visible hologram to project them. Jun 26 16:00:11 Or you need something in the air to form the image, or you need powers high enough in the air for nonlinear mixing to occur. Jun 26 16:00:20 (which are plenty high enough to set fire to stuff) Jun 26 16:00:31 (nonlinear) OUCH Jun 26 16:00:37 maligor: Oh...so you can't have USB debugging on it? Jun 26 16:00:47 Zehrila, yep Jun 26 16:01:11 maybe the dock port has that functionality, dunno Jun 26 16:01:25 Perhaps...yup Jun 26 16:01:34 But the tablet port should have had it Jun 26 16:01:34 maligor: You've looked at the actual hardware and determined it can't support USB?> Jun 26 16:01:39 Because not everyone buys the dock Jun 26 16:02:13 SpeedEvil, yeah Jun 26 16:02:22 I see a market for *good* visors Jun 26 16:02:24 SpeedEvil, it doesn't have a physical micro-usb port Jun 26 16:02:38 in meego that wouldn't bea problem atall ofcourse ;P Jun 26 16:02:39 maligor: Does it not have USB at all? Jun 26 16:02:40 maligor: I just asked some guys who develop kernels for the transformer Jun 26 16:02:46 And they say you can use USB debugging on it still Jun 26 16:02:51 It has host ports Jun 26 16:02:53 ADB etc. will work Jun 26 16:03:15 [20:59:48] <@netarchy> insomuch as adb access Jun 26 16:03:21 [21:00:04] <@netarchy> but if he's talking about usb debugging for shit like device driver stuff, he is probably right Jun 26 16:03:43 you can't use usb debugging for device driver stuff... Jun 26 16:03:56 Yup in that case you're right Jun 26 16:04:06 I was thinking ADB Jun 26 16:04:08 serial might work, and jtag certainly does Jun 26 16:04:48 [21:00:30] <@netarchy> he's wanting lower level access, and the proprietary port will throw spokes in the wheel, sotospeak Jun 26 16:04:49 [21:00:58] <@netarchy> though it's possible to get around, apparently people have figured out how to wire up a usb cable for that port ;D Jun 26 16:04:49 [21:01:09] <@netarchy> fucking custom pin layouts, meh Jun 26 16:05:10 But yeah, that's just a workaround so no official support, which does suck big-time Jun 26 16:05:18 And is kinda stupid Jun 26 16:05:19 I only meant adb tho Jun 26 16:05:31 Oh...well in case of ADB, it should work Jun 26 16:05:46 Without the need for any workaround Jun 26 16:07:28 maligor btw you might wanna join #Asus-Transformer in case you need more details on this Jun 26 16:07:52 Really nice helpful fellows Jun 26 17:14:56 Evening. Jun 26 18:03:08 anyone managed to get the recent 1.2.0.90 tablet images running? the last one that seems to run is around a month old, I've grabbed the 20110621 one and it installs, but doesn't boot. Or do I need to wait it out? Jun 26 18:15:45 Saviq nope Jun 26 18:16:08 the last one I gotr running is from the 13th or so Jun 26 18:33:25 hi all Jun 26 18:34:32 I'm not able anymore to run the QEMU Harmattan image from QtCreator. It worked the first day I installed it and I also tested a couple of "hello world" apps. Now the "Start Maemo Emulator" button is always grey and I cannot start it. Any idea? Jun 26 18:36:55 anyone tell me what the best system to install meego SDK is -- I am about to install virtualbox inside 11.4 because it doesnt support 11.4 Jun 26 18:43:13 Andy80: check the target it should be something like Meego 1.2 Harmattan API, go to Project > Harmattan > Qt version Jun 26 18:44:28 hiemanshu: doh! It was set on "Harmattan Platform API". What is it used for? Jun 26 18:44:49 Andy80: I have no idea sadly, but I know Meego 1.2 Harmattan API works Jun 26 18:49:47 i need some help installing the best OS to run MeeGo SDK Jun 26 18:49:50 any advice ? Jun 26 18:50:32 carter_: not fedora 15 :/ Jun 26 18:51:01 haha thanks Jun 26 18:51:07 openSUSE is good? Jun 26 18:51:10 well anything should work, I use Fedora 14 Jun 26 18:51:39 at least you got the worst ones ;-) Jun 26 18:52:32 fedora 15 is a fine OS, its just that MeeGO tools aren't supported very well on it Jun 26 18:55:08 i am following some instructions and the person installs 2.6 Jun 26 18:55:14 is this viable? Jun 26 18:56:29 since 3.0 isn't released yet - 2.6 should be fine. Jun 26 18:56:43 carter_: you're not making very much sense. Maybe try some reading on linux and stuff first? Jun 26 18:56:55 i agree Jun 26 18:57:05 im trying though man Jun 26 18:57:29 thanks for the help Jun 26 20:01:00 When doing obs --local-package build, how can I add additional local package to be installed for dependencies? Jun 26 20:03:12 anybody wanna test on yer fav meego platform: " svn checkout http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/playground/qmltube " --> compile w/ qtcreator qmltube.pro Jun 26 20:03:54 it now enjoys the benefits of a GLWidget-based implementation so videos play back nicely Jun 26 20:05:52 and none of the weird pauses on starting video playback using default qt backend Jun 26 22:16:46 Anyone around who uses AndroIRC? Jun 26 22:20:19 BTW I asked that question in a /amsg so it went to all the channels heh Jun 26 22:41:35 hey guys ... Are there any devices comes with meego ? Jun 26 22:43:30 not currently Jun 26 22:43:46 apart from intel developer devices but iirc even those need a fresh install Jun 26 22:43:58 aha Jun 26 22:46:55 CosmoHill: it is based on linux ... right ? Jun 26 22:47:08 MeeGo? yes it does use the linux kernel Jun 26 22:54:27 wow ... the IVI edition is very amazing Jun 26 23:36:56 Congrats lcuk! Jun 26 23:39:56 :) Jun 27 00:04:26 morning Jun 27 00:04:36 bleh Jun 27 00:04:42 * CosmoHill should be asleep Jun 27 00:18:52 whare we congrulating lcuk for? Jun 27 00:18:58 what are we* Jun 27 00:19:15 on his new baby boy :) Jun 27 00:19:23 ah Jun 27 00:19:32 hey lcuk congrats :) Jun 27 00:19:41 http://twitter.com/#!/lcuk Jun 27 00:19:46 oh sweet Jun 27 00:19:52 lcuk: congrats indeed Jun 27 00:20:08 Also congrats to http://twitter.com/#!/teebee76 ! Jun 27 00:20:50 hehe. ' teebee76 Tracy Brooke ...instead I'm putting the entire season of #Bones onto my n900 so I have something to do later when things are still quiet. #priorities ' Jun 27 00:21:03 twitter in our country is not access Jun 27 00:21:35 congratulations expecially to Mrs Lcuk http://twitter.com/#!/teebee76 Jun 27 00:23:24 yes, she did most of the hard week Jun 27 00:23:27 work* Jun 27 00:25:18 Congrats lcuk :D Jun 27 00:32:44 lcuk: congratulations on your new addition ;)) Jun 27 00:34:08 * SpeedEvil ponders likely names. Jun 27 00:34:14 Lequoia? Jun 27 01:20:27 hi Jun 27 01:22:27 when wanting to develop for the n9 am I supposed to obtain a n950 or is there a n9 developer program? Jun 27 01:25:27 The N950 is the N9 developer program right now. Jun 27 01:25:31 There may or may not be something later. Jun 27 01:25:35 Nothing has been announced. Jun 27 01:25:48 GeneralAntilles: is it correct that the internal hw is equivalent? Jun 27 01:26:01 As far as I understand it, mostly. Jun 27 01:26:08 There's a summary of the relevant differences somewhere Jun 27 01:26:11 No NFc, for instance. Jun 27 01:26:23 Camera isn't Zeiss branded. Jun 27 01:27:28 is resolution ect. also equivalent? Is the n950 running same mix of OS like n9? Jun 27 01:27:44 camera is not relevant for my purposes Jun 27 01:27:48 NFC also not Jun 27 01:59:41 Does anyone know when the n9 devkits' destinations will be decided? I know the application deadline is Tuesday, but what of decision timeframes? Also, will we be able to see winners' project plans? I would love to know what kinds of things to which to look forward. Jun 27 02:42:15 hi. Jun 27 02:44:14 yo **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jun 27 02:59:57 2011