**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 29 02:59:56 2011
Jun 29 04:37:18 <npm>  #fail :: http://nielsmayer.com/meego/meegotab-vkb-fail.png
Jun 29 04:38:01 <npm> the screenlock that requires an init 3/init5 :-)
Jun 29 04:38:52 <npm> i guess i humiliated the vkb into popping down so i can unlock the tablet
Jun 29 05:51:43 <zztr> i'm trying to load meego onto an old netbook and getting "grub loading stage1.5. grub loading, please wait...  Error 17 _
Jun 29 05:52:03 <zztr> anyone encountered this? i can't find a solution
Jun 29 05:52:39 <dm8tbr> since when is meego using grub?
Jun 29 05:53:55 <zztr> hmm i know nothing of the boot process. i have ubuntu natty on my desktop, used unetbootin to create a bootable usb using the downloaded iso, plugged it in, and started it up
Jun 29 05:54:20 <zztr> maybe it's not even accessing the usb drive?
Jun 29 05:54:38 <zztr> i've switched around everything i could find in the bios
Jun 29 05:55:27 <dm8tbr> why did you use unetbootin?
Jun 29 05:55:38 <dm8tbr> the image can be directly written to a usb stick
Jun 29 05:55:43 <zztr> because it's a tool to use
Jun 29 05:56:03 <zztr> ok...
Jun 29 05:56:18 <zztr> like cat meego.iso >/dev/sdc1?
Jun 29 05:56:32 <dm8tbr> more like dd if=meego.iso of=/dev/sdc
Jun 29 05:57:00 <zztr> i'll give it a shot. never used dd...
Jun 29 05:57:46 <dm8tbr> you read this, right? https://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook
Jun 29 05:59:05 <zztr> yeah, that page gives two options, downloading some random python script and doing a command that it warns you could overwrite your system hard disk. i'd used unetbootin before so i thought it would "just work"
Jun 29 06:04:03 <zztr> still getting error 17
Jun 29 06:09:49 <zztr> oh hey, it worked this time
Jun 29 06:10:16 <zztr> i left the usb mounted while i did dd
Jun 29 06:14:04 <zztr> "panic occurred"
Jun 29 06:14:29 <zztr> it says to append a correct root= boot option... but where
Jun 29 06:55:51 <mcfrisk> Hello, obs question
Jun 29 06:56:13 <mcfrisk> We imported a MeeGo snapshot to our obs to build against.
Jun 29 06:56:45 <mcfrisk> Our own packages are available from the obs rpm repo, but the imported base line isn't.
Jun 29 06:57:07 <mcfrisk> Where could I find the imported baseline, so I can point mic2 to it?
Jun 29 07:06:45 <mcfrisk> ok, by default /obs/imports are not available from obs repo like /obs/repos are..
Jun 29 07:08:20 <Termana> morning
Jun 29 07:20:45 <mcfrisk> making obs imports visible in obs repo: ln -s /obs/imports/ /obs/repos/imports
Jun 29 07:20:52 <mcfrisk> ... does that make sence?
Jun 29 07:33:34 <dm8tbr> mcfrisk: I'd love to help but I didn't have enough time to familiarize myself with out obs instance yet :/
Jun 29 07:34:11 <dm8tbr> mcfrisk: you might want to 'accidentially' hilight lbt or X-Fade as they might be able to help. ... oops I just did! ;)
Jun 29 07:38:26 <Jay_BEE> re
Jun 29 07:40:45 <mcfrisk>  dm8tbr, thanks
Jun 29 07:42:23 <Jay_BEE> so I am attempting to execute a qml using meego-ux-components on a qemu netbook via qt creator and it fails with the error Meego.Components is not installed, so I ssh to the qemu emulator and attempt to install it via zypper which fails with the error "the package integrity check failed"
Jun 29 07:45:12 <Jay_BEE> hmm... perhaps I need to add a more appropriate repo...
Jun 29 07:56:41 * Jay_BEE hears crickets
Jun 29 07:57:02 * Jay_BEE heads over to #meego-sdk
Jun 29 08:13:17 <lbt> mcfrisk: #obs is a better place to ask.
Jun 29 08:13:57 <lbt> I'm not sure OBS publishes the imported repos... there's never an event to trigger a publish
Jun 29 08:14:11 <lbt> just point MIC to the repo you used as the source
Jun 29 08:15:04 <lbt> in our case we'd copy the baseline to a special place on the repo server and point mic there
Jun 29 08:15:06 <niala> hello meego. here it's holidays raining :/
Jun 29 08:16:25 <lbt> niala: good excuse to stay in and hack then ;)
Jun 29 08:17:00 <niala> yup :)
Jun 29 08:17:44 <niala> i haven't tortured meego since 3months :)
Jun 29 08:28:56 <lbt> niala: take it out into the hot sun and stake it to the ground for the ants...
Jun 29 08:29:15 <lbt> I'm not sure OTS can run that test automatically yet....
Jun 29 08:31:56 <alterego> lcuk: ping
Jun 29 08:36:45 <alterego> lbt:
Jun 29 08:36:56 <alterego> lbt: boss is having a fit in #meego-arm
Jun 29 08:38:12 <thiago> what's happening?
Jun 29 08:40:20 <hiemanshu> thiago: Build failure in * non-stop
Jun 29 08:43:07 <lcuk> alterego, yo
Jun 29 08:45:16 <alterego> lcuk: was there any company name, dhl, ups, whatever on you parcel?
Jun 29 08:45:30 <alterego> I think mine is lost and I need to ring someone up about it :P
Jun 29 08:46:12 <lcuk> royal mail special delivery
Jun 29 08:46:27 <alterego> Okay, thanks.
Jun 29 08:54:51 <alterego> lcuk: do you know what the sender name is?
Jun 29 08:54:56 <alterego> Was it Nokia?
Jun 29 08:58:10 <ieatlint> i just came in and stole the package
Jun 29 08:58:19 <lcuk> alterego, speak to alex
Jun 29 08:58:33 <hell> gg
Jun 29 08:58:57 <alterego> lcuk: can you pm me her email?
Jun 29 09:41:24 <aissen> how does Qt on MeeGo implement multitouch events ? (ux tablet) Does it get them directly from kernel ? Does it uses a patch Xorg with XI 2.1 support ?
Jun 29 09:42:34 <lcuk> aissen, I heard it does
Jun 29 09:42:48 <lcuk> but the technical details elude me right now
Jun 29 09:44:19 <aissen> lcuk: digging through the code right now. Apparently it relies on qt.labs.gesture, a qml component.
Jun 29 09:44:37 <thiago> aissen: hacked XInput 2.0
Jun 29 09:44:47 <thiago> so neither
Jun 29 09:44:58 <aissen> thiago: ouch. Thanks
Jun 29 09:45:19 <thiago> the evdev driver in X was hacked to produce touch events in XInput 2.0. The driver is called mtev.
Jun 29 09:45:45 <thiago> the events are delivered via XInput 2.0, but that's non-standard. It works only between Qt and this driver.
Jun 29 09:45:46 <aissen> thanks thiago . will look into the code.
Jun 29 09:46:09 <thiago> the proper solution (XInput 2.1) isn't ready yet.
Jun 29 09:46:18 <Jay_BEE> I'm outta here...peace!
Jun 29 09:46:20 <thiago> by the time it will be ready, we'll have switched away from X
Jun 29 09:46:21 <aissen> thiago: how non standard ? how are pointers managed/instanciated ?
Jun 29 09:46:39 <aissen> thiago: so I've heard.
Jun 29 09:46:51 <thiago> it uses evaluators in XInput2.0 to deliver the extra touch points.
Jun 29 09:47:42 <thiago> the point is: the protocol between X and applications, where the extra touch points are located, how to find them, etc., isn't specified.
Jun 29 09:47:58 <aissen> it is, in XI 2.1.
Jun 29 09:47:59 <thiago> hence, "non-standard"
Jun 29 09:48:04 <thiago> right, but we're using 2.0
Jun 29 09:48:18 <aissen> and ubuntu is shipping a 2.1-pre release in 11.04
Jun 29 09:48:33 <thiago> we're still using X.org 1.9
Jun 29 09:48:44 <aissen> so is ubuntu.
Jun 29 09:48:52 <thiago> between a pre-release and another pre-release, we'll stick to the one we already have that is working
Jun 29 09:49:00 <aissen> well, a with quite a load of patches, too ^^
Jun 29 09:49:13 <thiago> we would switch to 2.1 if it became ready in the August release of X.org
Jun 29 09:49:22 <thiago> since it won't be, we'll stick to 2.0, then dump X
Jun 29 09:49:24 <aissen> so the plan is to use wayland's input system next ?
Jun 29 09:49:51 <aissen> any pointer/docs about the protocol that will be implemented in wayland ?
Jun 29 09:49:57 <lcuk> thiago, the ideapad produces an odd multitouch pattern on the input without any extra drivers
Jun 29 09:49:59 <thiago> ask in #wayland
Jun 29 10:06:09 <niala> running meego-sdk-installer-online-20110519 give me error404
Jun 29 10:13:14 <niala> can the webmaster correct this link?
Jun 29 10:29:18 <andre__> niala, it works for me.
Jun 29 10:29:27 <andre__> plus file a bug report with exact steps, please
Jun 29 10:29:38 <andre__> like what exactly you do, and when exactly it happens.
Jun 29 10:35:17 <alterego> lcuk: ping
Jun 29 10:36:06 <lcuk> hey alterego
Jun 29 10:36:30 * lcuk stops trying to read strace log for a bit
Jun 29 10:37:27 <alterego> I heard from Alex, your devicdes got rushed to you because of the baby, mine hasn't even been sent out yet ;)
Jun 29 10:37:50 <lcuk> heh \o/
Jun 29 10:37:59 <alterego> Apparently you just got the devs you requested, I was being sent a dev pack
Jun 29 10:38:02 <niala> andre__, hi, seem to have dreamed that conversation that night  ;-)
Jun 29 10:38:28 <Venemo> alterego, what dev pack?
Jun 29 10:39:02 <alterego> Anyway, so the guy sending it out is gonna get me a tracking number :)
Jun 29 10:39:12 <lcuk> yes alterego, makes for a great start, trying to find out where I will be focusing
Jun 29 10:40:04 <alterego> Venemo: a Nokia N8 and a Qt book I believe.
Jun 29 10:40:24 <Venemo> alterego, not bad, but why are you interested in an N8?
Jun 29 10:40:41 <MohammadAG> Venemo, don't worry, he'll lose interest in a week :p
Jun 29 10:40:49 <Venemo> :D
Jun 29 10:41:54 <alterego> Mostly it's media capabilities, but also cross platform Qt development.
Jun 29 10:42:02 <Venemo> mhm
Jun 29 10:42:08 <alterego> I've been wanting to target symbian w/ Columbus for ages.
Jun 29 10:42:39 <Venemo> I've successfully made Puzzle Master work on Symbian, but it was very non-fun :(
Jun 29 10:43:25 <vvaltone> using raw symbian apis?
Jun 29 10:44:07 <alterego> Heh
Jun 29 10:44:11 <Venemo> I used Qt
Jun 29 10:44:24 <Venemo> but for some functionality, I needed to use native Symbian APIs  yes
Jun 29 10:44:33 <Venemo> for example, Qt's file selection dialog is awful on Symbian
Jun 29 10:45:57 <lcuk> Venemo, to be fair, file select dialogs are a bit wonky everywhere
Jun 29 10:46:11 <Venemo> lcuk, well, the Maemo one at least looks like the native dialog
Jun 29 10:47:05 <special> Qt uses the native dialog on supported platforms, I'm surprised symbian isn't one
Jun 29 10:52:38 <Venemo> also, I had to hack through how it displays my window
Jun 29 10:54:13 <lcuk> Venemo, qt bug?
Jun 29 10:55:20 <Venemo> lcuk, well, at the end I could solve it by displaying my window in fullscreen and removing the titlebar and softkeys
Jun 29 11:16:02 <niala> ok i understood, I have fedora15, i suppose link "http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/fedora/{version}/..." is wrong for me. Only 12 13 14 is supported
Jun 29 11:16:20 <niala> andre__,
Jun 29 11:17:54 <andre__> niala, bug report as I said
Jun 29 11:19:13 <niala> is not really a bug, is just not supported yet
Jun 29 11:19:26 <niala> fedora15 too young
Jun 29 11:35:30 <BestiaH> hi!
Jun 29 11:35:34 <BestiaH>  I have installed the new release for neetbooks updated yesterday
Jun 29 11:35:45 <BestiaH> It has't installation menu
Jun 29 11:36:00 <BestiaH> t should be like this??
Jun 29 12:04:13 <bkalinga> where can i set my lock-screen time out for tablet?
Jun 29 12:08:18 <bkalinga> i just wanted to increase screensaver time out value for my tablet qemu
Jun 29 12:37:42 <shauky> hi
Jun 29 12:38:45 <shauky> help
Jun 29 12:39:15 <SpeedEvil> no
Jun 29 12:39:27 <shauky> no?
Jun 29 12:39:28 <SpeedEvil> What are you looking for help with sha?
Jun 29 12:39:38 <shauky> ah
Jun 29 12:39:57 <shauky> broadband usb on meego
Jun 29 12:39:58 <shauky> any ideas?
Jun 29 12:40:15 <SpeedEvil> Not really.
Jun 29 12:40:34 <shauky> yeah? too bad
Jun 29 12:41:37 <SpeedEvil> You're trying to use usb with a netbook or something to get 3g connectivity?
Jun 29 12:41:59 <shauky> on a fujitsu lifebook to get 3g yes
Jun 29 12:42:23 <shauky> was wondering if there was a driver out there
Jun 29 12:42:30 <shauky> to get it working
Jun 29 12:43:18 <shauky> or at least a thread I could follow to see if there was any development
Jun 29 12:44:18 <SpeedEvil> In principle, it should be similar to any desktop system - just requiring the right ppp setup and modem serial driver loaded.
Jun 29 12:44:31 <SpeedEvil> I don't know if there is a nice GUI for it though.
Jun 29 12:46:53 <BestiaH> Hi there!!
Jun 29 12:47:23 <shauky> alright
Jun 29 12:47:27 <shauky> thanks
Jun 29 12:47:37 <BestiaH> I have one problem and I don't know who I have to ask for this
Jun 29 12:49:00 <BestiaH> It looks like every alternate release has no install menu
Jun 29 12:49:14 <BestiaH> and when it is installed
Jun 29 12:49:25 <BestiaH> it has a lot of problems
Jun 29 12:51:07 <BestiaH> why ?
Jun 29 12:51:19 <BestiaH> Is there any way to solve it??
Jun 29 12:51:56 <slaine> BestiaH: what did you download ?
Jun 29 12:52:50 <BestiaH> the last release for netbooks
Jun 29 12:52:55 <slaine> url
Jun 29 12:53:09 <BestiaH> ok
Jun 29 12:53:10 <slaine> I've downloaded and install 1.2 on a few machines, 0 issues
Jun 29 12:53:27 <slaine> All had a boot menu that let me choose to live boot or install
Jun 29 12:53:41 <slaine> none had serious issues after install
Jun 29 12:54:02 <BestiaH> http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/images/meego-netbook-ia32/
Jun 29 12:54:27 <BestiaH> actually it is successfully installed
Jun 29 12:54:37 <BestiaH> but there is no installation menu
Jun 29 12:55:32 <BestiaH> the last week version (21/6) had installation menu
Jun 29 12:56:31 <BestiaH> after install the first problem is that there is one icon missing
Jun 29 12:57:25 <BestiaH> and when the applications are reopened from Zones desktop
Jun 29 12:58:05 <BestiaH> the have very nasty behavior
Jun 29 13:09:09 <slaine> BestiaH: So you're not using releases, you're using nightlies ?
Jun 29 13:09:47 <BestiaH> yep
Jun 29 13:11:46 <BestiaH> slaine: It happens to one nightlie yes and one nightlie no
Jun 29 13:12:03 <slaine> Weird, never use nightlies
Jun 29 13:12:06 <slaine> report a bug I guess
Jun 29 13:13:56 <BestiaH> slaine: Yes very weird... Ok, thanks for your help ;)
Jun 29 13:14:22 <BestiaH> I'll issue a bug
Jun 29 13:42:33 * Jaffa tries to work out what the status of his package is on COBS after adding some build plans. Where do logs/statuses/queues appear?
Jun 29 13:43:29 <gabrbedd> Jaffa: under each build target?
Jun 29 13:43:59 <Khertan> hiemanshu, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17034 <<<< grrrr
Jun 29 13:44:02 <MeeGoBot> Bug 17034 nor, Undecided, ---, fboudra, RESO FIXED, [CE] Remove obsolete meegotouch-qt-style packages
Jun 29 13:44:21 <Jaffa> gabrbedd: OK, so I've turned on Ubuntu and MeeGo 1.2. On https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=attitude&project=home%3Ajaffa I see MeeGo_Trunk_Standard and a phrase "excluded"
Jun 29 13:45:14 <Jaffa> Ah, if I got to my home project I see a link against "excluded"
Jun 29 13:45:19 <Jaffa> OK, cool. No spec file - expected that.
Jun 29 13:46:47 <Stskeeps|holiday> Khertan: my opinion is that if we fix the default setting thing, then we can readd the style
Jun 29 13:47:48 <Khertan> Stskeeps|holiday, it s easy to fix
Jun 29 13:48:12 <Jaffa> gabrbedd: Aha, adding Debian 6.0 now shows it up in the build status portlet. Something iffy about Ubuntu then (neither should actually build, but I want to check my mud2 script)
Jun 29 13:48:31 <Khertan> Stskeeps|holiday, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20035 << explain how to
Jun 29 13:48:34 <MeeGoBot> Bug 20035 nor, Undecided, ---, miroslav.safr, RESO INVALID, [CE] Plain Qt Apps are unthemed installing meegotouch-qt-style apply theme but crash with qml app
Jun 29 13:50:05 <gabrbedd> Is that the bug that makes me have to start all my Qt programs with `-style plastique` so that they won't crash?
Jun 29 13:50:40 <thiago> probably
Jun 29 13:54:51 <gabrbedd> Jaffa: Just a wild-ass guess... but what did you put for `distro` in your changelog for Ubuntu?
Jun 29 13:55:12 <Jaffa> gabrbedd: The default Qt Creator value of 'unstable'
Jun 29 13:57:56 <Jaffa> gabrbedd: But it doesn't show up as Excluded or Failed or anything like that. It's just not there on that target. However, since i have no plans to target Ubuntu 10.10 with build.pub.meego.com I'm not *too* worried since I've got one of the debian targets working
Jun 29 13:58:38 <gabrbedd> Jaffa: ok
Jun 29 14:22:59 <jedix> Has anyone successfully built the sgx blob?
Jun 29 14:23:23 <jonwil> what sgx blob?
Jun 29 14:24:06 <jedix> the sgx libraries for opengl, etc
Jun 29 14:25:56 <jonwil> Aren't those closed source?
Jun 29 14:26:06 <jedix> yes
Jun 29 14:26:16 <jonwil> so why are you asking if someone has built them?
Jun 29 14:26:42 <jedix> because some people have the source under agreements
Jun 29 14:27:21 <jonwil> oh ok
Jun 29 14:27:22 <khertan> http://web23.twitpic.com/img/333589920-4c57d026643e58fdf55b10d4af5ee2c1.4e0b36e8-scaled.png
Jun 29 14:27:36 <khertan> ^ KhtEditor on Scratchbox Harmattan SDK
Jun 29 14:27:36 <khertan> :)
Jun 29 14:29:04 <Jaffa> khertan: Nice. Monospace font next? :-)
Jun 29 14:29:22 <khertan> Jaffa, just a setting preferences
Jun 29 14:29:33 <khertan> w8 i ll look if settings works :)
Jun 29 14:30:13 <khertan> Jaffa, how to close a window which haven't close button ?
Jun 29 14:30:14 <khertan> :)
Jun 29 14:30:15 <Jaffa> khertan:  :)
Jun 29 14:32:16 <khertan> Jaffa, if i found how to close the windows prefs should be save
Jun 29 14:32:16 <khertan> d
Jun 29 14:34:21 <khertan> hum ... strange i cannot found anymore my application for the n9-devkit
Jun 29 14:35:07 <Jaffa> khertan: Erm, does it show up in the task switcher and can be closed there?
Jun 29 14:35:39 <khertan> Jaffa, if i can jump to the task switcher yes ... but didn't found how ;)
Jun 29 14:35:57 <Jaffa> khertan: Drag from the very edge of the Xephyr window
Jun 29 14:36:06 <Jaffa> khertan: I can still see mine at https://meego.com/user/me/track
Jun 29 14:38:53 <khertan> Jaffa, see mine too after logout/login
Jun 29 14:38:54 <khertan> :)
Jun 29 14:38:55 <khertan> thx
Jun 29 14:38:59 <khertan> for the direct link
Jun 29 14:39:40 <Jaffa> khertan: Obviously trying to prove my overall worthiness for all sorts of things :_)
Jun 29 14:39:50 <khertan> Jaffa, did you drag fast ?
Jun 29 14:39:55 <Jaffa> khertan: No, slowly
Jun 29 14:39:56 <khertan> from the top ... no result
Jun 29 14:41:01 <khertan> but using scroll mouse wheel create segfault
Jun 29 14:41:24 <Jaffa> OK, all. I had a tool which was a bit like spectacle (before it existed) called MUD (Maemo Unofficial Debs) back in the 770 days. http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/. I'm now developing a script to make Qt Creator projects autobuilder (incl. OBS) friendly (http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3694). The name 'mud2' is in my mind, but I need a new backronym. Thoughts?
Jun 29 14:42:04 <Jaffa> It takes the qtc_packaging directory and produces various tarballs for use in OBS, handling a lot of the niggles vivainio's found and documented http://vivainio.github.com/vvdocprj/packaging.html
Jun 29 14:42:37 <Jaffa> MeeGo Unobtusificated Distribution?
Jun 29 14:45:38 <berndhs> does it do 2 things? then you can say U = Unified,or Unification
Jun 29 14:46:33 <Jaffa> berndhs: Does debs & (will do) RPMs :)
Jun 29 14:46:39 <Jaffa> berndhs: So unified sounds spot on
Jun 29 14:46:44 <berndhs> well, there you go
Jun 29 14:46:47 <Jaffa> Ta muchly
Jun 29 14:47:22 <khertan> lol 10 min to try to got the task switcher ... hihi ...
Jun 29 14:47:25 <khertan> still not success
Jun 29 15:04:36 <campbieil> Wondering if anyone is coming to Intel's Meego event in London on Tuesday?
Jun 29 15:09:31 <hiemanshu> khertan: wow ok, maybe we should maitain it together
Jun 29 15:09:46 <Jaffa> campbieil: My brother is
Jun 29 15:09:59 <Jaffa> campbieil: Trying to tempt him away from Android, and he loves the N9
Jun 29 15:10:41 <campbieil> Jaffa: can't blame him for that!
Jun 29 15:11:32 <khertan> hiemanshu, yep i think
Jun 29 15:12:36 <hiemanshu> khertan: so with the trolltech.conf change and the setting of style I think we can avoid the raster bug right?
Jun 29 15:16:03 <khertan> hiemanshu, yep
Jun 29 15:16:15 <khertan> hiemanshu, as described in the bug i ve opened
Jun 29 15:17:23 <hiemanshu> gah, managing 40+ tabs isnt fun :/
Jun 29 15:18:55 <CosmoHill> hiemanshu: number 27 wants your attention
Jun 29 15:20:06 <hiemanshu> CosmoHill: hah, well that tab has about:config open :P
Jun 29 15:21:36 <hiemanshu> khertan: so I am telling on the bug report, that I'll help you maintain it
Jun 29 15:47:41 <CosmoHill> wtf, my mum hung a painting in my room whilst I was out
Jun 29 15:48:01 <lcuk> CosmoHill, lol
Jun 29 15:48:11 <lcuk> is it artistically pleasing?
Jun 29 15:48:25 <CosmoHill> not my kinda thing
Jun 29 15:48:50 <berndhs> check for surveillance equipment behind the painting, and in the fram
Jun 29 15:49:11 <CosmoHill> there betta not be any, it's above my bed
Jun 29 15:49:27 <CosmoHill> it's gonna be the first thing I see when I sit up >.<
Jun 29 15:49:43 <berndhs> if it seems like the eyes are staring at you, they just might be :)
Jun 29 16:04:19 <CosmoHill> wait...I never had a picture hook there before
Jun 29 16:06:23 <Myrtti> surprise!
Jun 29 16:07:00 <Myrtti> they are conspiring to get you out the house by annoyance over crappy art
Jun 29 16:07:11 <berndhs> it
Jun 29 16:07:15 <berndhs> it's the antenna
Jun 29 16:07:35 <CosmoHill> I swapped it for the one she put in my bro's room
Jun 29 16:10:10 <hiemanshu> CosmoHill: Its a conspiracy!
Jun 29 16:10:18 <hiemanshu> that works for everything :P
Jun 29 16:12:03 <berndhs> if there is no proof, that's just proof that the conspirators are really really good
Jun 29 16:12:04 <timoph> hiemanshu: No. The whole conspiracy is a cover up for something bigger :p
Jun 29 16:12:14 <gabrbedd> CosmoHill: Dogs Playing Poker?
Jun 29 16:12:23 <gabrbedd> CosmoHill: The Scream?
Jun 29 16:12:26 <hiemanshu> timoph: The Rapture? :P
Jun 29 16:12:47 <hiemanshu> CosmoHill: more nokia made meego phones?
Jun 29 16:14:09 <beerock> hello all, new to the meego tablet ux. I think its great but Im lost a bit.....
Jun 29 16:14:15 <CosmoHill> berndhs: "just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they;re not following you"
Jun 29 16:14:34 <CosmoHill> hiemanshu: I've owned two nokias, both died via cracked screen
Jun 29 16:14:48 <CosmoHill> and a bully nicked my keypad from one :(
Jun 29 16:15:01 <hiemanshu> hah
Jun 29 16:15:54 <beerock> I wonder how to transfer movies,music, files to it. preferably from the sdcard. anyone care to point me to a "how to"
Jun 29 16:22:22 <pixelgeek1> beerock: Ideally, you'd sync it with an application like DoubleTwist.  Unfortunately, it's not bundled in the opensource image.
Jun 29 16:23:42 <pixelgeek1> So, your real option right now is to use terminal mode to mount the USB or SDCard and then cp the files over.
Jun 29 16:24:54 <pixelgeek1> For transferring files from a USB or SD card -
Jun 29 16:24:54 <pixelgeek1> sudo mkdir  /media/files
Jun 29 16:24:54 <pixelgeek1> sudo mount /dev/sd?? /media/files
Jun 29 16:24:54 <pixelgeek1> where ?? is the USB or SD  card (you can find this out using 'sudo fdisk -l'), then use cp to copy from  /media/files to the appropriate place on ~home/meego/Downloads.
Jun 29 16:24:54 <pixelgeek1> When done,
Jun 29 16:24:55 <pixelgeek1> sudo umount /media/files
Jun 29 16:31:37 <timoph> I though it mounted mass storages automatically. IMO it's a bug if it doesn't
Jun 29 16:32:57 <timoph> and if that really doesn't work I'd most likely use scp to copy the stuff
Jun 29 16:34:33 <gabrbedd> pixelgeek1: auke pointed to me yesterday that you can do `udisks --mount /dev/sd??` and it'll do most of that for you.
Jun 29 16:34:38 <gabrbedd> Don't even need to sudo.
Jun 29 16:35:12 <gabrbedd> timoph: Last I checked the MeeGo UX doesn't have a daemon to automatically mount devices that are plugged in.
Jun 29 16:35:29 <pixelgeek1> Ah - cool.  The directions I posted were back from the start of the year.  There's a lot that's changed in the last 6  months.
Jun 29 16:35:30 <timoph> oh. it's a bug then :)
Jun 29 16:35:41 <timoph> (or a missing FEA)
Jun 29 16:35:44 <pixelgeek1> I believe it's by design
Jun 29 16:35:52 <timoph> weird
Jun 29 16:35:57 <pixelgeek1> (Don't shoot the messenger)
Jun 29 16:35:58 <alterego> Well, I've uploaded librxsupport, libcolumbus to gitorious, now for columbus-plugins :)
Jun 29 16:36:15 <gabrbedd> pixelgeek1: Don't feel bad... I've been doing that up until 2 days ago.
Jun 29 16:36:17 <gabrbedd> :-)
Jun 29 16:36:20 * timoph holsters his sidearms :)
Jun 29 16:36:47 <gabrbedd> In fact, your instructions work on any linux distro, any time, any where.
Jun 29 16:37:01 <timoph> true
Jun 29 16:45:18 <hell> can't wait my looser e-mail from nokia)
Jun 29 16:46:31 <timoph> I think you can withdraw your application :p
Jun 29 16:46:49 <berndhs> Nokia hasn't gotten around to ignoring my requests
Jun 29 16:47:40 <hell> timoph: :-) 0.01% is a chance toooooo
Jun 29 16:47:49 <timoph> yep :)
Jun 29 16:48:34 <timoph> so patience. the yes/no will come during the next few days
Jun 29 16:49:15 <hell> but i think, there are so many good developers and so little n950...
Jun 29 16:49:18 <timoph> I'm spending my time waiting by packaging stuff for the community edition
Jun 29 16:50:07 <timoph> besides if I don't get it then I just need to wait for the n9 to be available
Jun 29 16:50:33 <hell> n9 lacks a keys...
Jun 29 16:51:11 <timoph> well yes but nothing that can be done to change that
Jun 29 16:51:28 <timoph> just have to live with it or pick something else
Jun 29 16:51:47 <hell> 3110, i want it new)
Jun 29 16:52:11 <achipa> look at it from the bright side... you roughly have 50% chance of getting one
Jun 29 16:52:20 <hell> or 6310i)
Jun 29 16:52:38 <hell> achipa: maybe get and maybe not?))
Jun 29 16:53:30 <timoph> achipa: damn you. you just made monty python start singing in my head
Jun 29 16:56:19 <RST38h> *yawn*
Jun 29 16:56:24 <RST38h> So,what's up?
Jun 29 16:56:53 <Myrtti> ceiling
Jun 29 16:56:58 <timoph> sky
Jun 29 16:57:13 <timoph> etc
Jun 29 16:57:32 <RST38h> ok
Jun 29 16:58:05 <timoph> so not much :)
Jun 29 17:02:34 <beerock> @ pixelgeek1 Thanks, this is what I thought needed to be done,  but was not sure of the commands. I have been able to install udiskie and it worked for mounting but still couldn't figure out how to copy. I will try your instructions soon  :D
Jun 29 17:03:40 <beerock> sure wish someone would put together a "pretty" file manager
Jun 29 17:42:10 <javier_mobile> X-Fade: ping
Jun 29 17:57:15 <lcuk> timoph, I will happily let jussi send you my device if you are not selected.  you are so much more efficient at the technical stuff \o
Jun 29 18:02:52 <pabs3> timoph: its actually good security policy to not automount
Jun 29 18:10:26 <lcuk> Jaffa, does attitude work on symbian?
Jun 29 18:11:06 <timoph> \o/
Jun 29 18:11:11 * timoph will get one
Jun 29 18:11:15 <lcuk> :D timoph
Jun 29 18:11:35 <timoph> just noticed quim's tweet :)
Jun 29 18:12:48 <alterego> timoph: :)
Jun 29 18:12:51 <alterego> Me too!
Jun 29 18:12:58 <timoph> cool
Jun 29 18:13:00 * alterego runs around, "I'm soooo happy"
Jun 29 18:13:03 <alterego> Anyway, back to work ..
Jun 29 18:14:03 * timoph waits to see if snake game builds
Jun 29 18:17:30 <hell> timoph: congratulations!
Jun 29 18:19:01 * hiemanshu is getting one too :D
Jun 29 18:19:23 <petteri> hopefully well also see some results, like some nice opensource apps or something :)
Jun 29 18:23:57 <Jaffa> lcuk: It does. Tested on N8 and C7
Jun 29 18:24:02 <Jaffa> lcuk: Let me stick the installer somewhere.
Jun 29 18:24:51 <Jaffa> lcuk: http://bleb.org/software/maemo/Attitude_installer_qt-4_7_3_symbian3.sis
Jun 29 18:24:55 <hell> heh. Twice "Sergey Ivanov", interesting, what thinking third one
Jun 29 18:25:42 * TSCHAKeee hasn't received a response :(
Jun 29 18:36:06 <rcg1> meh und unser danone is nu auch weg
Jun 29 18:36:16 <rcg1> err..
Jun 29 18:36:24 <rcg1> sorry.. wrong window
Jun 29 19:14:27 <smoku> how do I install tablet ui on meego?  is there a pattern for it?
Jun 29 19:15:43 <thiago> get the tablet UX image, run it
Jun 29 19:16:15 <smoku> http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/images/ only core ivi and netbook
Jun 29 19:16:47 <thiago> start from the homepage, the pre-releases are there
Jun 29 19:16:59 <timoph> smoku: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/
Jun 29 19:17:03 <timoph> try one of those
Jun 29 19:18:04 <smoku> that's helpfull. thanks timoph
Jun 29 19:18:14 <timoph> np
Jun 29 19:19:27 <smoku> @MeeGo Tablet and @MeeGo Tablet Applications - as per .ks, if anyone wonders
Jun 29 19:30:47 <peterbjornx> hello
Jun 29 19:31:34 <peterbjornx> i've got a problem, my N900 died and the store wants to replace it, what phone is most likely to get a community MeeGo port?
Jun 29 19:32:32 <thiago> N9
Jun 29 19:33:00 <peterbjornx> what if they wont let me wait with choosing a phone
Jun 29 19:33:04 <peterbjornx> any current phones
Jun 29 19:33:08 <berndhs> N900
Jun 29 19:33:30 <thiago> all of them very unlikely to get a CE
Jun 29 19:33:42 <peterbjornx> read my message, my n900 is dead and they said i need to choose a new phone
Jun 29 19:33:54 <peterbjornx> how much work is a port\
Jun 29 19:33:56 <thiago> choose another N900
Jun 29 19:34:03 <peterbjornx> i cant
Jun 29 19:34:08 <peterbjornx> as those arent made anymore
Jun 29 19:34:52 <ali1234> since unhelpful experts are being unhelpful i will answer your question :)
Jun 29 19:35:16 <ali1234> a port is an extremely large amount of work and any meego phone requires 3d acceleration drivers which are never available
Jun 29 19:35:42 <peterbjornx> i dont know how much you know about the internals of meego and android, is graphics driver from android portable toXorg?
Jun 29 19:35:45 <ali1234> there are already "ports" to a couple of HTC phones but they don't have 3d drivers so they are useless
Jun 29 19:35:49 <ali1234> no
Jun 29 19:35:56 <peterbjornx> how useless
Jun 29 19:36:00 <peterbjornx> no UI?
Jun 29 19:36:02 <berndhs> I would guess a port is maybe 6 to 18 man-months of work, if there are no unsurmountable problems
Jun 29 19:36:03 <ali1234> android uses different type of 3d drivers and they are NOT portable
Jun 29 19:36:11 <ali1234> that is the major problem for all ports to android phones
Jun 29 19:36:21 <thiago> assuming you can get the drivers from the manufacturer
Jun 29 19:36:28 <thiago> otherwise, the UI is just unbearably slow
Jun 29 19:36:38 <ali1234> the current ports have a UI but it runs in software 3d mode so it is incredibly slow and runs out the battery in about 8 seconds
Jun 29 19:36:39 <peterbjornx> what if its a phone that uses a GPU very much alike the N900 powervr chip
Jun 29 19:37:23 <dm8tbr> that might actually get easier with wayland. I hear wayland might be able to use android GLES drivers, but oh well softfloat vs hardfloat...
Jun 29 19:37:31 <dm8tbr> c.f. bug 17570
Jun 29 19:37:34 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17570 nor, Undecided, ---, ibrahim, NEW, Lack of hardfp compiled graphics drivers from TI, Qualcomm, nVidia, etc
Jun 29 19:37:44 <ali1234> wayland is more "framebuffery" so maybe
Jun 29 19:38:02 <wmarone_> lack of compatibility with glibc would be almost a big a problem, no?
Jun 29 19:38:16 <dm8tbr> wmarone_: if they are linked against bionic, you're screwed
Jun 29 19:38:34 * dm8tbr never checked
Jun 29 19:38:44 <niala> hi another question about broken n900. My usb n900 is broken... can i install/boot meego with no usb plug?
Jun 29 19:38:53 <ssvb> thiago: does it have to use mesa software implementation?
Jun 29 19:38:58 <peterbjornx> is it possible to try to resolder a N900 power socket manually
Jun 29 19:39:12 <thiago> ssvb: it's preferable to use actual hardware acceleration, sure
Jun 29 19:39:13 <ali1234> you got the breaking off usb socket problem?
Jun 29 19:39:14 <wmarone_> peterbjornx: it is possible, but not easy by any means
Jun 29 19:39:16 <dm8tbr> niala: the only critical part is getting U-boot installed I guess
Jun 29 19:39:33 <ali1234> that's a really common problem... i've heard of people fixing it themselves
Jun 29 19:39:53 <dm8tbr> peterbjornx: I have never seen it, but it depends if traces were lifted off the pcb etc
Jun 29 19:39:59 <peterbjornx> well
Jun 29 19:40:08 <peterbjornx> from the looks of it pcb's fine
Jun 29 19:40:18 <dm8tbr> it should be possible in many cases if you have a fine smd iron and lots of enamel wire
Jun 29 19:40:32 <peterbjornx> enamel?
Jun 29 19:40:45 <ali1234> not sure why you'd need enamel wire to fix that...
Jun 29 19:40:49 <dm8tbr> very thin wire with a thin insulating coating
Jun 29 19:41:00 <ali1234> anyway it should be doable
Jun 29 19:41:05 <dm8tbr> ali1234: if you have to replace traces
Jun 29 19:41:10 <ali1234> ah ok
Jun 29 19:41:15 <ssvb> thiago: too bad that there is no free software friendly 3d hardware for mobile devices yet
Jun 29 19:41:17 * dm8tbr has done such stuff
Jun 29 19:41:17 <ali1234> nokia boards don't have *any* visible traces
Jun 29 19:41:23 <dm8tbr> it's a royal pain but possible
Jun 29 19:41:24 <ali1234> really amazing to look at
Jun 29 19:41:30 <ali1234> never seen any other boards like them
Jun 29 19:41:46 <dm8tbr> ah, multi-layer
Jun 29 19:41:56 <ali1234> all they have is the pads for the components and everything else is on the internal layers
Jun 29 19:42:00 <dm8tbr> well, then you're likely screwed
Jun 29 19:42:05 <ali1234> not really
Jun 29 19:42:32 <dm8tbr> you can try catch the via with the solder
Jun 29 19:42:52 <dm8tbr> or hope that it comes out somewhere else
Jun 29 19:42:54 <ali1234> if it was a badly soldered connector to start with likely the pads are intact
Jun 29 19:43:10 <peterbjornx> it was
Jun 29 19:43:18 <peterbjornx> but how hard is it to solder it
Jun 29 19:43:23 <dm8tbr> yes, if just connector and pcb separated then it's easy
Jun 29 19:43:31 <ali1234> if you need to ask it's probably too hard for you
Jun 29 19:43:32 <peterbjornx> and is the n900 pcb easily overheated
Jun 29 19:43:32 <dm8tbr> peterbjornx: fine SMD soldering iron, 5s
Jun 29 19:43:50 <peterbjornx> well i usually only solder THT
Jun 29 19:43:52 <ali1234> but it's possible for any solder monkey with experience of this type of thing :)
Jun 29 19:44:03 <dm8tbr> btw: are there any pictures of the n900 pcb with the usb connector?
Jun 29 19:44:19 <peterbjornx> is the usb also connected to the test pads?
Jun 29 19:44:26 <ali1234> i think so
Jun 29 19:45:17 <ali1234> dm8tbr: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/images/n900_11.jpeg
Jun 29 19:45:32 <DocScrutinizer> wut?
Jun 29 19:45:39 <DocScrutinizer> aah
Jun 29 19:45:41 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Jun 29 19:45:54 <dm8tbr> :p
Jun 29 19:46:21 <ali1234> DocScrutinizer: your image?
Jun 29 19:46:23 <DocScrutinizer> peterbjornx: yes
Jun 29 19:46:29 <ali1234> just found it through google images
Jun 29 19:46:31 <DocScrutinizer> ali1234: yes
Jun 29 19:46:46 <DocScrutinizer> ~ DocScrutinizer
Jun 29 19:46:47 <infobot> from memory, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko
Jun 29 19:47:25 <peterbjornx> docscrutinizer: do you have a pinout for the test pads
Jun 29 19:47:31 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Jun 29 19:48:36 <peterbjornx> is it online or can you upload it for me?
Jun 29 19:48:51 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71414&page=4
Jun 29 19:50:02 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71414 actually
Jun 29 19:50:25 <ali1234> oh wow so that whole topic is about broken usb connectors :)
Jun 29 19:51:47 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=997818&postcount=9
Jun 29 19:51:54 <ali1234> peterbjornx: btw you could ask for a 5800 and to keep the broken n900... they use same battery so you can charge it in the 5800 and then put it in the n900 :)
Jun 29 19:53:45 <peterbjornx> do you think they still have the n900?
Jun 29 19:54:08 <peterbjornx> i was thinking about soldering some thin wires to test pads\
Jun 29 19:55:15 <DocScrutinizer> soldering to the testpads is not really encouraged
Jun 29 19:56:04 <peterbjornx> cause of the no-protection issues?
Jun 29 19:56:05 <DocScrutinizer> the thread above has links to instructions how to properly fix a broken USB
Jun 29 19:56:26 <DocScrutinizer> peterbjornx: cause of general messup by doing that
Jun 29 19:56:59 <DocScrutinizer> the wires are under the battery, and you have no proper way to route them anywhere
Jun 29 19:57:19 <DocScrutinizer> also especially not to the original USB
Jun 29 19:57:44 <DocScrutinizer> let me toss you the other 2 links from my bookmarks
Jun 29 19:58:39 <DocScrutinizer> damn, pics gone http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=997818&postcount=9
Jun 29 19:58:46 <DocScrutinizer> oops
Jun 29 19:58:57 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=693493#post693493
Jun 29 20:00:00 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991
Jun 29 20:01:20 <peterbjornx> thx
Jun 29 20:01:52 <DocScrutinizer> btw http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/ has 2 pics of a blank pcb
Jun 29 20:04:34 <ali1234> how did you manage to get those?
Jun 29 20:07:11 <DocScrutinizer> china makes it possible
Jun 29 20:07:48 <DocScrutinizer> anyway you can get all the relevant 3 traces on components nearby inside the can next to USB
Jun 29 20:08:57 <DocScrutinizer> I'm sure talk.maemo.org has pictures of reworks that did that
Jun 29 20:09:20 <DocScrutinizer> 5..10mm wire x 3
Jun 29 20:12:02 <DocScrutinizer> studying the schematics and component placement diagrams therein you can spot the right solder points
Jun 29 20:12:40 <DocScrutinizer> din't worry about ID pin, it's mostly useless on N900
Jun 29 20:13:09 <DocScrutinizer> GND is obvious, leaves 3 to fix
Jun 29 20:15:20 <Venemo> alterego, good news: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia -> see Results
Jun 29 20:15:27 <Venemo> alterego, your name appears just below mine :)
Jun 29 20:18:34 <npm> yess! (thanks quim and nokia)
Jun 29 20:19:02 <DocScrutinizer> peterbjornx: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 get the zip
Jun 29 20:19:20 <TSCHAKeee> :(
Jun 29 20:24:07 <Venemo> lcuk, I see your name in the list as well :)
Jun 29 20:24:20 <lcuk> yup
Jun 29 20:24:35 * lcuk will be testing cross platformness
Jun 29 20:24:42 <lcuk> I hope you can help Venemo :)
Jun 29 20:24:59 <lcuk> your app is quite an inspiration
Jun 29 20:25:02 <Venemo> lcuk, sure I can help :)
Jun 29 20:25:08 <Venemo> thanks for the kind words :)
Jun 29 20:25:12 <alterego> Venemo: :) yes it does :)
Jun 29 20:25:59 <Venemo> although MohammadAG should also recieve one
Jun 29 20:26:37 <MohammadAG> congrats Venemo, lcuk and alterego
Jun 29 20:27:13 <MohammadAG> I doubt I'm getting one now tbh
Jun 29 20:27:14 * frals will be testing cross lcukness
Jun 29 20:27:33 <frals> btw MohammadAG, just out of curiousity, are you under-age?
Jun 29 20:27:48 <Venemo> lcuk, are we still talking liqbase or you're planning a new app?
Jun 29 20:28:57 <lcuk> Venemo, liqbase remains - nothing will run as fast or smooth as it on my other devices
Jun 29 20:29:11 <DocScrutinizer> I hope MohammadAG wasn't on the list just because they are sending a contract to him to hire him
Jun 29 20:29:13 <MohammadAG> frals, no, not in IL
Jun 29 20:29:38 <MohammadAG> and I already dealt with a DDP once
Jun 29 20:29:52 <frals> ok, just checking
Jun 29 20:30:33 <DocScrutinizer> actually Nokia is rather late on hiring MohammadAG - should have done that 4 months ago
Jun 29 20:30:49 <frals> why would anyone want to join nokia at this point?
Jun 29 20:30:55 <frals> especially if you are in to oss?
Jun 29 20:31:02 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, fair point
Jun 29 20:31:05 <MohammadAG> Was just writing that
Jun 29 20:31:22 <frals> (for the record, i cant imagine a better place to work than where i work atm)
Jun 29 20:31:34 <DocScrutinizer> that's why Nokia definitely is late on this :-D
Jun 29 20:31:37 <frals> if only elop never happend... bah ;P
Jun 29 20:34:15 <Venemo> lcuk :)
Jun 29 20:34:45 <Venemo> :D
Jun 29 20:34:49 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, anyway, again, considering Android atm
Jun 29 20:34:50 <Venemo> MohammadAG could punch elop
Jun 29 20:35:21 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: I can see why
Jun 29 20:37:21 <MohammadAG> I'll wait for the final list
Jun 29 20:37:43 <niala> good luck to you
Jun 29 20:38:09 <MohammadAG> thanks
Jun 29 21:31:24 <Venemo> MohammadAG, android? srsly?
Jun 29 21:31:30 <trumee> Does N9/N950 support sip/google talk/skype video calls?
Jun 29 21:33:14 <alterego> trumee: not sure about video calls, we'll have to wait and see
Jun 29 21:34:10 <trumee> alterego: couldnt find any info on voip capabilities of the phone
Jun 29 21:35:21 <MohammadAG> Venemo, ignore that, I came to my senses
Jun 29 21:35:58 * trumee hopes that this bug (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388) is fixed in harmattan
Jun 29 21:35:59 <povbot> Bug 10388: Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem?
Jun 29 21:36:02 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 tri, Low, ---, janne.hietamaki, CLOS WONTFIX, Support blocked field for test results
Jun 29 21:36:47 <DocScrutinizer> skype is rather questionable
Jun 29 21:37:12 <Venemo> MohammadAG :)
Jun 29 21:37:29 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: questionable?
Jun 29 21:37:38 <DocScrutinizer> you're aware skype is closed and highly proprietary, and been recently bought out by M$
Jun 29 21:38:05 <niala> oooh funny ctrl+wheel zoom text in qtcreator editor...
Jun 29 21:38:14 <DocScrutinizer> M$ maybe doesn't like to support meego
Jun 29 21:39:10 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: sip/google talk video calls will be enough to keep me happy
Jun 29 21:39:30 <DocScrutinizer> I'd bet some coins on SIP
Jun 29 21:40:11 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: also badly need this, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3063
Jun 29 21:40:12 <povbot> Bug 3063: SIP Voice Mail message notification
Jun 29 21:40:15 <MeeGoBot> Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3063 enh, High, 1.0.80.15, tomas.junnonen, VERI READYFORINTEGRATION, [FEA] Meego touch framework - Notification
Jun 29 21:40:53 <Venemo> I have a stupid question. How can I upload a pic to appear next to my name on the MeeGo forum? I uploaded a profile picture to my account, but it doesn't appear in the forum.
Jun 29 21:41:03 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: that's indeed bad. But then otoh I've seen sipgate drop MWI support
Jun 29 21:41:54 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: i am running my own * server. MWI is essential
Jun 29 21:41:57 <sumanah> DawnFoster: fyi I'm inputting my notes from your OSBridge talk at http://opensourcebridge.org/2011/wiki/Online_Community_Metrics:_Tips_and_Techniques_for_Measuring_Participation#Contributed_notes
Jun 29 21:42:02 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: seems providers adopt email notification and web frontends for MWI
Jun 29 21:42:15 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: looks like not going to happen, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8278
Jun 29 21:42:17 <MeeGoBot> Bug 8278 enh, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, INDE, [FEA] VoIP/IM backend - Message Waiting indication for SIP
Jun 29 21:42:27 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: I'd like to see MWI support as well, just saying...
Jun 29 21:44:27 <DocScrutinizer> been a fair bit involved in twinlephone development, I'm not too excited about telepathy sofiasip or whatever it's called today
Jun 29 21:45:36 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: yeah, twinklephone works great.
Jun 29 21:46:29 <DocScrutinizer> and the sip stack been designed by a contributor to relevant VoIP IETF RFCs it seems
Jun 29 21:47:24 <DocScrutinizer> on sip providers and their tech folks it's considered reference quality for the sip implementation
Jun 29 21:48:02 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: other day i had a play with cSipSimple on android, it has nice functionality too.
Jun 29 21:48:55 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: There are  a few Freeswitch developers who have android phones, so sip works quite well on android
Jun 29 21:49:24 <DocScrutinizer> hehe, I see
Jun 29 21:50:37 <DocScrutinizer> well, twinklephone was a fallout of michel de boer evaluating certain aspects of sip server implementations
Jun 29 21:51:11 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: he seems to have abandoned it now. Qt4 port was never made.
Jun 29 21:51:23 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Jun 29 21:51:57 <DocScrutinizer> qt4 port is hard, the program logic is exploiting qt3 aspects that don't map to qt4
Jun 29 21:52:32 <DocScrutinizer> so that'd be a complete rewrite of the GUI
Jun 29 21:52:50 <DocScrutinizer> and michel *hates* gui development ;-)
Jun 29 21:53:20 <DocScrutinizer> so twinkle is in a limbo state now
Jun 29 21:54:13 <berndhs> hey the timing is right, skip Qt4 go to Qt5 in a few months
Jun 29 21:54:21 <DocScrutinizer> and I'm not feeling like doing that either
Jun 29 21:54:40 <DocScrutinizer> berndhs: good call :-)
Jun 29 21:56:55 <w00t> learn Qt 4, and pretty much all of it will apply to Qt 5
Jun 29 21:57:13 <w00t> the APIs aren't changing
Jun 29 21:57:23 <w00t> (except in rare cases)
Jun 29 21:57:55 <berndhs> i can almost build qt5
Jun 29 21:58:09 * w00t has a checkout on his laptop
Jun 29 21:58:39 <w00t> I'm still basing patches on Qt 4.8 for the moment though, since that's what I've got stuff built against - and thankfully I'm pretty much the only one working in my area right now
Jun 29 22:02:47 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, what kind of GUI development is that? I might be able to help,
Jun 29 22:03:39 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: twinkle?
Jun 29 22:04:43 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, what is twinkle?
Jun 29 22:05:01 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: twinklephone has a qt3 GUI, and the way qt3 is used makes it hard to port that to qt4
Jun 29 22:05:15 <DocScrutinizer> www.twinklephone.com
Jun 29 22:05:16 <berndhs> http://www.twinklephone.com/
Jun 29 22:05:45 <berndhs> its in fedora main repo
Jun 29 22:05:45 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: sth along mutex aiui
Jun 29 22:06:43 <DocScrutinizer> twinkle uses mutex to safe GUI actions, and on qt4 this results in deadlocks. Something like that
Jun 29 22:08:03 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: seems michel found a rather unusual way to weld the qt-based GUI to the core
Jun 29 22:08:31 <DocScrutinizer> and this unusual way doesn't scale / port well to qt4
Jun 29 22:09:24 <DocScrutinizer> not sure if I got the bits together right, it's quite a few years ago since twinkle active development
Jun 29 22:09:43 <DocScrutinizer> when exactly been Qt4 released?
Jun 29 22:10:04 <w00t> ~6-7 years ago
Jun 29 22:10:10 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Jun 29 22:10:22 <w00t> june 2005
Jun 29 22:11:08 <Venemo> mhmm
Jun 29 22:11:11 <DocScrutinizer> well >>Version 1.4.2 has been released on February 25, 2009<<
Jun 29 22:11:18 <DocScrutinizer> of twinklephone
Jun 29 22:11:51 <DocScrutinizer> and that's been it for twinkle I guess
Jun 29 22:15:19 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: if you're seriously interested in tackling that issue with qt4 and twinkle, you probably should read the ML archives at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/twinklephone/messages
Jun 29 22:15:37 <DocScrutinizer> esp those of Michel deBoer
Jun 29 22:37:47 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, it seems like the kind of GUI which you can click together in Qt Designer in a few minutes :)
Jun 29 22:39:39 <Venemo> good night
Jun 29 22:58:08 * CosmoHill has had hicups for about 5 hours
Jun 29 22:59:13 <TSCHAKeee> take a deep breath
Jun 29 22:59:16 <TSCHAKeee> then slowly exhale
Jun 29 22:59:20 <TSCHAKeee> all of it out
Jun 29 22:59:22 <TSCHAKeee> all of it
Jun 29 22:59:29 <TSCHAKeee> to the breaking point
Jun 29 22:59:41 <TSCHAKeee> then slowly let air back in
Jun 29 22:59:54 <TSCHAKeee> back out, all of it
Jun 29 22:59:58 <TSCHAKeee> do it slowly.
Jun 29 23:00:14 <TSCHAKeee> and concentrate on doing it slowly
Jun 29 23:00:39 <TSCHAKeee> this will prevent the diaphragm spasms
Jun 29 23:04:39 <CosmoHill> hey they've gone
Jun 29 23:04:42 <CosmoHill> thanks TSCHAKeee :D
Jun 29 23:04:50 <TSCHAKeee> no problem :)
Jun 29 23:04:53 <TSCHAKeee> you're welcome :)
Jun 29 23:11:46 <crope> I installed CSSU to my N900 and no I have big problems with GPS...
Jun 29 23:11:57 <crope> very hard to get fix
Jun 29 23:13:27 <BlueAidan> anyone know how to enable the crystalhd plugin in gstreamer? I've got it installed, but not sure what to put in the video section of gstreamer-properties
Jun 29 23:24:04 <niala> gnight
Jun 29 23:27:36 <Damion3> night
Jun 29 23:27:49 <Damion3> not me btw
Jun 29 23:39:54 <MohammadAG> crope, CSSU doesn't change GPS libs, or anything related to GPS
Jun 29 23:40:05 <MohammadAG> and this isn't the right channel for that
Jun 29 23:56:16 <Damion3> has anyone had issues with the wifi on the n950?
Jun 30 00:04:15 <Elleo> Damion3: I remember noticing a bug listed in the firmware notes about intermittent connectivity problems with wpa2 access points
Jun 30 00:04:48 <Elleo> Damion3: I don't know if it's the same issue the n900 has (which can be solved by turning down the power saving settings for that connection)
Jun 30 00:06:22 <CosmoHill> night night
Jun 30 00:10:04 <Damion3> Elleo: I'll try, thanks
Jun 30 00:10:23 <Damion3> it's very intermittant
Jun 30 00:10:32 <Elleo> yeah, so was the issue on the n900
Jun 30 00:11:29 <Elleo> I don't know how you'd change those settings under Harmattan, but with Maemo it was a matter of doing something like Settings -> Connections -> Select the specific AP name -> Options -> Advanced -> Power and changing to 'medium' instead of 'maximum' power saving
Jun 30 00:12:09 <Elleo> the exact words in the release notes are: "WLAN data transfer may stall off and on with WPA2/AES encryption."
Jun 30 00:12:17 <Elleo> unfortunately it doesn't give a bug number
Jun 30 00:14:08 <Damion3> it seemed better yesterday
Jun 30 00:14:31 <Damion3> my ssh connection was really bad and I wondered it it lacks enough entropy
Jun 30 00:26:49 <Damion3> hmm, after a reboot and also turning off power saving it's working
Jun 30 00:27:31 <Damion3> there isn't an advanced power saving option in wifi settings (yet)
Jun 30 00:27:54 <Damion3> there is a general phone power saving
Jun 30 00:28:42 <Damion3> I got ace-solitair (x86), the i386 binary X11 app working with qemu-i386 user mode
Jun 30 00:40:50 <Bruns> k
Jun 30 00:41:01 <Termana> morning
Jun 30 00:41:02 <Bruns> i need to figure out a way to put meego on my droid incredible
Jun 30 00:41:11 <Bruns> because im about to rip my hair out of my skull
Jun 30 00:41:38 <Bruns> ive rooted the droid multiple times and had to get it replaced because each time it was stolen or some shit, but now i cant root it. so i thought id give meego a shot
Jun 30 00:41:45 <Bruns> has anyone tried putting it on an adroid?
Jun 30 00:42:33 <Bruns> ternana: any suggestions?
Jun 30 01:06:40 <ShadowJK> can't root it? why
Jun 30 01:13:22 <Damion3> if you can root it you won't be able to get meego on it
Jun 30 01:14:41 <ShadowJK> Damion3, you mean if you can't
Jun 30 01:16:26 <Damion3> yeah can't
Jun 30 01:16:50 <Damion3> weird, I remember the ' char
Jun 30 01:17:05 <berndhs> even if you do, it's not going to helpw ith people stealing it
Jun 30 01:38:55 <TSCHAKeee> rofl
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