**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 05 02:59:57 2011 Jul 05 03:29:52 morning Jul 05 03:30:04 hi Jul 05 04:19:45 turn off the tv forever Jul 05 04:50:12 Morning everyone Jul 05 05:42:51 X-Fade: pong Jul 05 05:53:17 Hey everybody. How can I stop X from restarting on 1.2? I'm used to killing gdm to stop X auto-restart, but gdm isn't running. Jul 05 05:54:24 Looks like mthemedaemon is starting X, but the process table doesn't show mthemedaemon running either. Jul 05 05:56:59 it's probably the uxlaunch which you're after Jul 05 05:59:15 the chain in meego goes something like: runlevel 5 from inittab respawns xinit and start_desktop.pre; the script calls the actual start_desktop, which then runs the actual X session Jul 05 06:00:16 hello, somebody here working with ffmpeg as dependency? Jul 05 06:05:10 xtingray: not open source - ffmpeg is not OK Jul 05 06:08:41 sofar: excuse me, what kind of license ffmpeg uses? Jul 05 06:10:56 depends on what options it was built with Jul 05 06:11:05 it's either gpl or lgpl Jul 05 06:12:25 vvaltone: ok... so if it can be gpl or lgpl... then it is not open source? I don't get the sentence "not open source" Jul 05 06:13:06 xtingray: it's not that Jul 05 06:13:37 xtingray: it may be gpl or not, that's not the point Jul 05 06:13:59 meego.com can not distribute ffmpeg for "no cost" to anyone Jul 05 06:14:46 sofar: why not? Jul 05 06:14:52 any MPEG codec requires a license by the MPEG-LA consortium Jul 05 06:15:03 before it can be distributed Jul 05 06:16:02 Software Patents \o/ Jul 05 06:16:18 sofar: Did Ubuntu adquire that license? I mean, many linux distros include it... :S Jul 05 06:16:37 xtingray: they are all required to pay MPEG-LA for each downloaded coded Jul 05 06:16:40 codec* Jul 05 06:17:16 you need to ask Ubuntu if they did, obviously, I do not have that knowledge. Jul 05 06:17:44 I guess that a lot of linux distros are out of the law... :S Jul 05 06:18:06 it doesn't matter what "others" do Jul 05 06:18:34 or they might not be doing business in countries with software patents Jul 05 06:18:46 they can distribute it for no cost, they just have to pay a per-user fee - google does for chrome for instance Jul 05 06:19:16 or, well, presumably they distribute enough copies that they're on some flat fee billing now Jul 05 06:19:32 X-Fade: I need to go. I'll ping you later Jul 05 06:19:57 one could ask the linuxfoundation to take out a license for each user.... :) Jul 05 06:20:08 so, what is the best option (api/library/whatever) to deal with video handling from meego? Jul 05 06:20:48 phonon perhaps? Jul 05 06:21:06 or gstreamer Jul 05 06:21:10 yup Jul 05 06:21:55 I think the tablet images even had a qml sink for gstreamer Jul 05 06:22:00 if someone manages to get their hands on gst-plugin-supermegabuttugly then it's their thing :) Jul 05 06:22:11 phonon isn't in meego - qt multimedia is - so it depends what you're trying to do Jul 05 06:22:22 gstreamer includes some mpeg codec handling? Jul 05 06:22:26 the real problem IMO is that even with gstreamer the moment you want or need a wide array of supported codecs, it's up to pull in gst-ffmpeg Jul 05 06:22:46 xtingray, the products that will be released will most likely include that, yes Jul 05 06:22:56 device manufacturers are ultimately responsible for providing their products with working & licensed codecs Jul 05 06:23:07 you should build and test with ogg/theora video content Jul 05 06:23:14 then assume vendors ship MPEG codecs Jul 05 06:23:51 sofar: the problem is exclusive of the mpeg codec? or many codecs are involved on this patent issue? Jul 05 06:23:52 atleast I can't imagine it being a very good business decisions to leave out the most popular codecs Jul 05 06:23:53 this is one of those situations where people have to realize, that meego in itself is not a 'product' Jul 05 06:23:55 as application developer, you shouldn't worry about the video format Jul 05 06:24:18 pick one that is really, really free, use that for your testing Jul 05 06:24:31 then let the vendors fix the codec support issue Jul 05 06:25:13 vvaltone: unless you see meego devices being sold without any extra codecs, you're just speculating that Jul 05 06:26:05 well, yes, anyone likely to know about that is undoubtedly under NDA Jul 05 06:26:26 good point :) Jul 05 06:27:37 I support .ogv... but I do it using ffmpeg... I could make a ogv-only version of my project... but even then, I would need ffmpeg packages for meego... and I guess they never will be official :/ Jul 05 06:28:02 hmm, does the meego-tablet-shell in wayland do anything? Jul 05 06:28:12 xtingray: can I ask you why your product *needs* a specific format? Jul 05 06:28:34 xtingray: if you use gstreamer to handle video then any codecs installed on the device will be available to you Jul 05 06:29:05 as it's modular so you don't need to depend on a specific build for specific codecs - they are loaded as plugins at runtime Jul 05 06:29:17 and can be hardware accelerated on certain devices, etc Jul 05 06:29:35 and cause exciting new bugs due to buggy implementation on others ;P Jul 05 06:30:32 yes - most vendors gstreamer implementations suck. but you can contract collabora to help with that... :) Jul 05 06:31:10 sofar: my product doesn't need an specific format... it allows to export to any video format... but it does it using ffmpeg as dependency... that's all Jul 05 06:32:09 sofar: by the way... my product is not a product really... it's a free software project (gpl-v3) Jul 05 06:32:16 xtingray: you should just use gstreamer to re-encode Jul 05 06:32:29 that way you don't depend on the codecs in place Jul 05 06:32:39 gstreamer will tell you what formats are supported Jul 05 06:32:52 add codecs and your application will support them right away Jul 05 06:32:54 sofar: ok, I will check for the gstreamer api Jul 05 06:33:01 (if they support encoding) Jul 05 06:34:53 just out of curiosity: Why ffmpeg has legal issues... but gstreamer doesn't? what's the difference? Jul 05 06:35:29 you can't remove the mpeg code from ffmpeg, realistically Jul 05 06:35:42 gstreamer is written without any codecs in the base package Jul 05 06:35:56 so you can either add mpeg codecs, or skip them Jul 05 06:36:04 since ffmpeg is monolithic, no choice Jul 05 06:37:27 sofar: oh! now I got it... (shit!) :( Jul 05 06:37:42 sofar: thanks for your help Jul 05 06:37:46 np Jul 05 07:18:52 Morning, all Jul 05 07:18:57 morn Jul 05 07:52:25 o/ Jul 05 07:52:29 morn lbt Jul 05 07:52:34 how's stuff? Jul 05 07:52:36 hey there... wb Jul 05 07:52:56 very frantic few weeks... starting to come together Jul 05 07:53:29 you? Jul 05 07:53:46 glad to be back hacking, but tanned and relaxed after a week at music festival Jul 05 07:54:04 only slightly damp at the end! Jul 05 07:54:07 yeah Jul 05 07:56:24 not as bad as in cph, 150mm in cph, 20mm in festival Jul 05 07:56:49 I saw a video... wow Jul 05 07:57:06 there were dead rats coming out of toliets, it was that bad :P Jul 05 07:57:12 ewww Jul 05 08:01:18 Stskeeps: zombie rats coming out of the toilets? Delicious! Jul 05 09:28:40 I've installed MeeGo1.2 "1.2 community summer release" (or something like that) for the N900 and installed it on on my N900. I went to package and pressed 'update cache', now it says "finished", and I have no idea what to do. pressing the screen does nothing, only the power button blanks and de-blanks the screen. The lock is working though, if i wait too long i need to unlock it before I see the 'finished' screen. Any ideas? Jul 05 09:35:41 <[DarkGUNMAN]> hold power button down until it shutsdown Jul 05 09:37:59 [DarkGUNMAN]: what would be the 'correct' way to update the repositories? this problem is repeats itself every time Jul 05 09:38:55 <[DarkGUNMAN]> from terminal get root access - su / meego. Jul 05 09:39:14 <[DarkGUNMAN]> type zypper refresh Jul 05 09:39:22 <[DarkGUNMAN]> zypper update Jul 05 09:44:12 thank you Jul 05 09:52:03 hello Jul 05 09:52:14 does the N950 have a Gorilla Glass too ? Jul 05 09:52:39 Jaffa: you have one isn't it ? Jul 05 09:52:40 Does it matter? It's a developer device Jul 05 09:53:00 alterego: its to know if it is scratchable so yes it matters Jul 05 09:53:06 It has glass. That works. Jul 05 09:53:06 TheBootroo: I have one. I have no idea if it's Gorilla glass Jul 05 09:53:09 Heh Jul 05 09:53:12 I'm not going to take a set of keys to it to find out Jul 05 09:53:13 to know if i must get a case or not Jul 05 09:53:21 Jaffa: lol Jul 05 09:53:26 I'd get a case a anyway, if you plan on using it day-to-ay Jul 05 09:53:33 * X-Fade uses 770 pouch :) Jul 05 09:53:35 Jaffa: and the case is real alu ? so not too scratchable Jul 05 09:53:37 Or just be careful with it. Jul 05 09:53:41 It's plastic Jul 05 09:54:00 I think the only aluminium is the back. Jul 05 09:54:00 alterego: plastic ? where? Jul 05 09:54:06 alterego: it is not. Jul 05 09:54:10 Jaffa: ? Jul 05 09:54:12 X-Fade: it's all alu? Jul 05 09:54:18 alterego: i hope Jul 05 09:54:22 (and panda glass)? Jul 05 09:54:25 * alterego chuckles Jul 05 09:54:32 alu = most sexiest phone ever and more robust Jul 05 09:54:51 TheBootroo: Painted aluminium => scratches show up very quickly Jul 05 09:54:55 Scratchable, I'll probably use the 770 sleeve like X-Fade Jul 05 09:55:02 Jaffa: especially when it's black ;) Jul 05 09:55:35 alterego: you just to scratch carefully all the surface Jul 05 09:55:35 The N800 sleeve is somewhat, erm, frayed, and the N810 one is a bit Ghey. Jul 05 09:55:36 alterego: Good thing about that is that it polishes the screen when in your pocket :) Jul 05 09:55:45 to get the MPB-like grayish alu case Jul 05 09:55:46 X-Fade: neat :) Jul 05 09:56:08 TheBootroo: not a nice thing to do when you return it to Nokia Jul 05 09:56:27 alterego: lol yes Jul 05 09:57:01 You have to remember, it's not _yours_ .. Jul 05 09:57:17 It's still Nokia property and they may want it back. Jul 05 09:57:32 Jaffa: on some screenshots of N950, we can see facebook intergration and rss reader, so they are in the devkit ? i want to be sure because some blogs says N950 come with twitter only Jul 05 09:58:08 alterego: i would pay 700€ for it without an hesitation Jul 05 09:58:20 pfft, I wouldn't :D Jul 05 09:58:30 alterego: my N900 really need to rest in peace Jul 05 09:58:32 I'd pay 400 maybe a bit higher. Jul 05 09:58:42 alterego: and the N9 can't really replace it Jul 05 09:59:21 I'd prefer an N9 to an N950 Jul 05 09:59:40 And keep an N900 as a companion device. Jul 05 10:00:13 Jaffa: some says we get an old version of N9 OS on the N950, but i think its more the current N9 OS + some dev programs no? because on developer.nokia.Ccom we can see an update from 22 june so not that old.... Jul 05 10:00:34 alterego: n9 has nice screen but that's all Jul 05 10:00:41 N950 design is far better Jul 05 10:00:49 slider 4 rows QWERTY = inlove Jul 05 10:01:05 Meh Jul 05 10:01:08 only thing missing (on both though) = HDMI Jul 05 10:01:16 I'd prefer the more up-to-date better supported hardware with more features. Jul 05 10:01:24 Over the 4 row keyboard, Jul 05 10:01:30 TheBootroo: N950 image on the dev kits is 1.2011.22-6. It has Facebook integration, CalDAV & Mail for Exchange Jul 05 10:01:36 TheBootroo: It has no Twitter or Google Talk Jul 05 10:01:38 For "serious" typing I have an external bluetooth keyboard, or the N900 Jul 05 10:01:46 TheBootroo: See http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950 Jul 05 10:02:02 alterego: hardware is not that old, and meego unlike android doesn't need 2GHZ dualcore + 2GB ram to run smoothly Jul 05 10:02:08 do the N950/N9 have a terminal emulator by default again? Jul 05 10:02:26 TheBootroo: I never said it was old, I said the N9 is more up-to-date Jul 05 10:02:30 It'll be better supported Jul 05 10:02:32 Jaffa: for me most important is Google Mail, Calendar and Reader Sync Jul 05 10:02:36 And it has NFC Jul 05 10:02:41 azeem_: when you enable the 'developer mode' switch in settings. Jul 05 10:02:46 k Jul 05 10:02:54 alterego: N9 and N950 have same platform Jul 05 10:02:56 azeem_: it will then install things like terminal and ssh. Jul 05 10:02:58 only the case changes Jul 05 10:03:01 and the screen Jul 05 10:03:10 X-Fade: I guess that switch will dissappear in the final N9 Jul 05 10:03:22 TheBootroo: RSS feeds are present. I haven't tested them. Jul 05 10:03:24 * alterego sighs Jul 05 10:03:25 TheBootroo: And camera, nfc etc etc etc :) Jul 05 10:03:29 TheBootroo: and the NFC, and some sensors are less exact, no? Jul 05 10:03:45 TheBootroo: Google Mail works well over IMAP, though IMAP IDLE doesn't. Google Calendar works very well, as described in that wiki pag Jul 05 10:03:48 still, I'd buy an N950 if I could Jul 05 10:03:50 TheBootroo: I want better camera and NFC, I'll keep my N900 for ssh Jul 05 10:03:52 azeem_: camera is bigger and better on N950 (only maybe not the software driver) Jul 05 10:03:56 I'd prefer an N9 to an N950 Jul 05 10:03:56 azeem_: Don't know, it should not. Jul 05 10:04:05 TheBootroo: rubbish Jul 05 10:04:07 azeem_: The image on the N950 doesn't have a "Developer Mode" setting. It has Terminal & Energy Profiler by default. Jul 05 10:04:12 i don't care about NFC Jul 05 10:04:30 I wouldn't like to carry around my N900 just for typing Jul 05 10:04:31 alterego: I'd love it if I could use an N9 with the contactless payments in Boots when I'm buying my lunch Jul 05 10:04:34 TheBootroo: well good for you, I don't care what you don't care about .. Jul 05 10:04:42 Jaffa: exactly :) Jul 05 10:04:55 Jaffa: i know there is RSS reader but can it sync with Google Reader or will i need to port my own rss reader ? Jul 05 10:04:59 I think this year and next year everyone will go NFC Jul 05 10:05:06 When Tesco go NFC, I'll be happy. Jul 05 10:05:15 * alterego can imagine getting reciepts downloaded straight to his phone. Jul 05 10:05:23 It is funny that NFC is now hot, but it has been here for a looong time :) Jul 05 10:05:33 X-Fade: yeah, I know, weird isn't it .. Jul 05 10:05:41 I remember hearing about it probably 8 years ago. Jul 05 10:05:47 We've been using RFID in our devices here for 8 years or so Jul 05 10:05:49 Maybe 6 years .. Jul 05 10:06:04 TheBootroo: I haven't seen anything in this image about syncing with Google Reader. No idea if later images do - I suggest you ask a Nokian Jul 05 10:06:19 geocaching with nfc could be fun Jul 05 10:07:11 What's the process with Launchpad applications. Seeing as most of the people that I've seen comment have got no acknowledgement reply, do we just wait for Nokia to contact us and sort out shipping or is there some sort of further review process happening after that acceptance ? Jul 05 10:08:17 slaine: i was wondering the same Jul 05 10:08:27 slaine: we're just waiting Jul 05 10:08:45 since we already ahve been selected and our apps reviewed, will nokie do it again or just send us the device ? Jul 05 10:08:53 slaine: they'll process our applications sooner or later, they're probably sifting through thousands of applications. Jul 05 10:09:15 and we are not their priority Jul 05 10:09:41 alterego: ego right. All the nokia developer requests are going through the one place, not just the meego ones Jul 05 10:09:56 slaine: indeed. Jul 05 10:10:15 didn't think of that. Ok that's cool, so it is just a case of sit tight and not that I've screwed anything up :) Jul 05 10:10:23 slaine: I was hoping we'd get priority, as we, like you said, have already been pre-approved, but if that were the case, I'd expect some news by now. Jul 05 10:11:45 Also a holiday weekend in the states. not sure how much impact that would have on the process Jul 05 10:20:57 None :P Jul 05 10:37:45 !cal imbi Jul 05 10:37:53 sry, vale kanal Jul 05 10:38:14 (wrong channel) Jul 05 10:38:52 jotik_work_, estonia? Jul 05 10:39:07 iekku: yes Jul 05 10:39:30 jotik_work_, so close to finnish but the meaning bit different :) Jul 05 10:40:46 iekku: what does it mean in finnish? Jul 05 10:41:42 vale = lie Jul 05 10:42:08 hehe Jul 05 10:42:23 "a lie", to be precise Jul 05 10:42:57 well, in estonian "vale" is also "a lie", but it "vale " usually means "wrong " Jul 05 10:43:28 "väärä" Jul 05 10:44:40 estonian also has "väär" with this meaning. Jul 05 10:45:16 ok, so same words but the usage has diverged a bit Jul 05 10:46:22 it's like "ilma" Jul 05 10:47:31 in finnish it's weather, but it's also but in the car's tyres Jul 05 10:47:37 but? put Jul 05 10:47:39 "ilm" in estonian is "weather" or ~"world" ("maailm") in english. Jul 05 10:48:36 yet, some words in estonian have very different meaning in finnish, some even profane. Jul 05 10:55:22 hawk Jul 05 11:07:25 could people vote for this bug : http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCOMPONENTS-864 Jul 05 11:53:24 i'm currently trying the N950 under RDA Jul 05 11:53:49 it's slow as hell but however less than under Qemu, and UI is magically beautifull Jul 05 11:54:38 swipe under the java remote screen is a real pain in the ass Jul 05 11:54:54 i really miss the N900 maemo 5 home button in UX Jul 05 11:55:13 i'm going to do a quick and dirty hack to get it back under harmattan Jul 05 11:55:48 is the n950 keyb clicky or soft? Jul 05 11:56:04 Parslee: clicky like N900 Jul 05 11:56:13 but keys are chicklet like a MBP Jul 05 11:56:19 nice Jul 05 11:56:43 looking forward to getting mine Jul 05 11:57:04 How do you know you will get one? Jul 05 11:57:08 slaine: i'm waiting the shipping info from nokia, my apply was approved by meego comiee Jul 05 11:57:26 TheBootroo: same here Jul 05 11:57:57 Parslee: I got an email from Nokia to say my application was approved Jul 05 11:58:05 Parslee: there was the MeeGo Devkit Program : you have a great dev project using Qt, you propose, they review they accept (or not) and you get one of the 250 devices Jul 05 11:58:27 slaine: i got the email from QGil but not the one from nokia Jul 05 11:58:34 same Jul 05 11:58:36 not yet Jul 05 11:59:27 can't wait Jul 05 11:59:29 :D Jul 05 12:00:00 Jaffa: is accuweahter app present on n950 ? Jul 05 12:00:25 best weather app ever Jul 05 12:00:44 I want to find the person who decided to kill the n950 and hurr them Jul 05 12:00:48 i had an old version on my 5800XM, and NOTHING compared to this on my N900 Jul 05 12:01:16 Parslee: try to start by firing Stephen Flopon its burning plateform Jul 05 12:01:44 Firing him into the sun maybe Jul 05 12:01:50 no Jul 05 12:01:53 too close from us Jul 05 12:02:33 and rejections in atmospher could be letal to local fauna and flora... Jul 05 12:02:53 better in a very far star, or some vortex Jul 05 12:04:45 I just installed OBS on ubuntu 11.04 and I can't get my oscrc file to work, i keep getting 401s. any ideas? Jul 05 12:05:01 TheBootroo: Not in 1.2011.22-6, no Jul 05 12:05:43 Jaffa: too bad Jul 05 12:05:54 Jaffa: i hope the access to ovi store will be open on N950 Jul 05 12:07:19 TheBootroo: The Store isn't open yet, even on the N9 prototypes Jul 05 12:07:29 TheBootroo: apps.meego.com should be ready "soon" though Jul 05 12:07:30 Jaffa i know Jul 05 12:07:41 that why i said 'will be' Jul 05 12:08:29 hello meego Jul 05 12:08:48 in fact i hope the N950 just don't comme with some things out of the box but allow to put them on at hands Jul 05 12:09:09 i hope they will not block voluntary some things Jul 05 12:09:32 I can't imagine why they would Jul 05 12:09:56 Jaffa: o rly ? Jul 05 12:10:18 with a tyran like S. Flop at the head, every(bad)thing is possible Jul 05 12:11:42 S. Flop, the M$ $h1ll? Jul 05 12:12:04 I don't think a) that's sensible or b) something he'd be involved in micro-managing. Jul 05 12:12:25 One doesn't need to make up a silly name for him to realise his strategy is one we disagree with Jul 05 12:14:17 * RST38h yawns Jul 05 12:15:07 Jaffa: he is silly one so we can be a little silly against him too Jul 05 12:15:17 he don't make flops Jul 05 12:15:21 he IS Flop Jul 05 12:16:25 i think he just has lost his additional bar to the bottom of the E when he jumped out from the burning platform onto an unfinished stone ground.... Jul 05 12:16:31 kinda broken leg Jul 05 12:16:35 :X Jul 05 12:16:35 * RST38h sets an /ignore Jul 05 12:16:59 As much as a dislike the Elop character... Jul 05 12:17:12 s/a/I Jul 05 12:17:39 RST38h: what the hell do you make here on meego if you agree his strategy ? Jul 05 12:18:14 any help on my osc error? http://pastebin.com/tpCpTtrk Jul 05 12:18:30 i can login fine with the same passwd using a browser on api.meego.com Jul 05 12:28:41 quim. Any chance to send out a few hundred more n950s? Jul 05 12:29:18 Murring: not from MeeGO.com Jul 05 12:29:58 only on developer.nokia.com so it don't depends on somebody here Jul 05 12:30:38 how about öeego on the new motorola Jul 05 12:30:43 Meego Jul 05 12:30:58 Nice kbd Jul 05 12:32:23 Omap4 Jul 05 12:32:44 Perfect, you do it. Jul 05 12:36:36 my father want me to potr meego on the N8, i said him: go better buy a N9 Jul 05 12:38:11 needs a keyboard Jul 05 12:43:10 Parslee: yes Jul 05 12:43:31 Parslee: but for some1 who have the N8, the N9 fits perfectly Jul 05 12:43:48 but for some1 who have a N900 or E7 the N950 is ebtter Jul 05 12:46:50 TheBootroo, sad that N950 isn't going to be on sale Jul 05 12:49:18 iekku: i'm gonna get one Jul 05 12:49:32 lucky one! Jul 05 12:51:34 when i use sudo mic-chroot i land in root console and i can run startmeego from there Jul 05 12:51:54 but when i change the user to 'meego" i can not run startmeego? Jul 05 12:53:14 bkalinga: startmeego script needs root access Jul 05 12:53:30 iirc, it switches to the meego user during that process Jul 05 12:53:37 just like xstart or xinit Jul 05 12:53:39 at least, that's what uxlaunch used to do Jul 05 12:54:05 used to? Jul 05 12:54:12 doesn't it do that anymore? Jul 05 12:54:54 TheBootroo: But the problem is i want to run im-uiserver from meego console not from root console Jul 05 12:54:55 Venemo_N900: uxlaunch is no more used i beleive Jul 05 12:55:31 bkalinga: just change user after having startmeego Jul 05 12:55:52 but im not sure im-server can run in usermode Jul 05 12:57:29 Hello, Is there any methods to run IVI 1.2 on Intel N450 devboard? Jul 05 12:58:12 When I execute the glxinfo, it prints "Error: enable to open display" Jul 05 13:02:00 TheBootroo, my proposal for n950 was rejected Jul 05 13:02:11 iekku: sorry Jul 05 13:02:15 iekku: What was it about? Mine too. Jul 05 13:02:52 asked it for n900 ce related work (i'm error manager on the project) Jul 05 13:02:57 ah - yes. Jul 05 13:03:19 My proposal was similar in that it was not directly n9 app related. Jul 05 13:03:30 I think very few got 'platform' devices Jul 05 13:05:53 TheBootroo, what is used instead? Jul 05 13:07:01 Venemo_N900: i dunno Jul 05 13:11:03 SpeedEvil: yeah, seems that way Jul 05 13:11:12 * w00t got quite lucky Jul 05 13:11:49 SpeedEvil, it has been said that these are mostly aimed at app devs. Jul 05 13:12:00 SpeedEvil, still, I'm sorry for you Jul 05 13:12:30 I was going to get my qt and .. up to speed, to try to get apps released too. Jul 05 13:12:49 But - now other things are getting priority unfortunately. Jul 05 13:16:10 has meego voice recognization? Jul 05 13:17:39 Parslee: it seems the N9 has voice dialing Jul 05 13:19:21 thiago: ping Jul 05 13:20:08 Parslee: on this page http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n9/specifications we can see 'voice dialing' Jul 05 13:20:43 Parslee: there's also the gstreamer pocketsphinx plugins if you want to do your own speech recognition stuff Jul 05 13:20:54 ty Jul 05 13:20:56 Jaffa: what comes in the N950 package in terms of accessories and cables ? Jul 05 13:21:24 How about voice chat ims Jul 05 13:21:29 Like irc Jul 05 13:21:39 dunno Jul 05 13:21:47 i don't think Jul 05 13:21:53 Parslee: I wouldn't hold your breath for any sort of continuous dictation Jul 05 13:21:54 So you can hands free chat with driends online Jul 05 13:21:59 TheBootroo: http://twitpic.com/jaffa2 Jul 05 13:22:29 Jaffa: The photo you were looking for no longer exists Jul 05 13:23:10 Jaffa: and my proxy blocks twit* Jul 05 13:23:26 Jaffa: post on hostingpics.net (imgshack blocked too) Jul 05 13:24:11 TheBootroo: Well, I'm not reposting the photo I posted last week. But you get a USB cable, an N950 and a quick start guide Jul 05 13:24:48 Jaffa: pretty few compared to what a N900/N8/N9 comes with Jul 05 13:25:03 TheBootroo: Yes, it's a devkit ;-) Jul 05 13:25:05 that said, n950 has only a USB potr Jul 05 13:25:32 Jaffa: i could ahve thought devs need even more accesories than normal people Jul 05 13:25:35 lbt: pong Jul 05 13:25:51 I know Stephen Elop is the "bad guy" around here. But he's performed really well on that All Things D 9 interview that MeeGoExperts has hon his site Jul 05 13:25:52 http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/07/nokia%E2%80%99s-stephen-elop-interviewed-digital-video/ Jul 05 13:26:57 rubbish. period Jul 05 13:27:15 ty Jul 05 13:28:04 Ttyl! Get meego on another phone please! Jul 05 13:37:19 thiago: msg'ed you Jul 05 15:18:09 Hi, Im studying embedded linux and want to start with meego + beagle board... Is there some problem with this "pair"? Can anyone tell me some tips where I find good steps to start? Jul 05 15:19:15 You can't do that. Jul 05 15:19:23 Basically would be the first problem. Jul 05 15:19:31 SpeedEvil: well, not entirely true Jul 05 15:19:36 SpeedEvil, why not? Jul 05 15:19:47 At least legally. Maemo is comprised of lots of closed bunaries, which are not licenced to run on non-nokia hardware. Jul 05 15:19:54 SpeedEvil: he said meego Jul 05 15:20:02 I read that twice. Jul 05 15:20:05 It said maemo. Jul 05 15:20:07 Meh. Jul 05 15:20:13 Please ignore me. Jul 05 15:20:15 Stskeeps, umm, who is talking Maemo? Jul 05 15:20:17 dalton: there is a wiki page on wiki.meego.com regarding beagleboard Jul 05 15:20:21 heh Jul 05 15:20:28 SpeedEvil :P Jul 05 15:21:28 dalton, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Beagleboard_from_scratch Jul 05 15:21:42 but it tells that it's not working anymore Jul 05 15:22:46 hi Jul 05 15:22:55 hp Jul 05 15:32:21 thanks for answers, I was already reading that page, but, as spenap told, there tells that its not working and this "Currently, the only exception is the n900, which is supported by nokia with matching closed source drivers. " Jul 05 15:36:50 Yay, added Harmattan Community OBS install instructions to http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS#Into_Harmattan Jul 05 15:38:05 Jaffa: target available? cool! Jul 05 15:39:23 Jaffa: \o/ Jul 05 15:40:20 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=24984#post24984 :-) Jul 05 15:48:42 woo :) Jul 05 15:49:36 Jaffa: How did you add the Harmattan repo to your OBS to build for it? Jul 05 15:52:09 fiferboy: Go to your project's Overview. Click Advanced > Raw config and paste in the relevant lines from https://build.pub.meego.com/project/meta?project=home%3Ajaffa Jul 05 15:52:22 fiferboy: Once X-Fade's finished it up, it'll be selected like any other repository Jul 05 15:52:35 #beagleboard Jul 05 15:52:35 dalton: Error: "beagleboard" is not a valid command. Jul 05 15:55:39 Jaffa: Sweet, thanks Jul 05 15:58:45 Now I have to figure out how to add multiple source files for the same package and exclude building from certain repositories Jul 05 15:59:53 fiferboy: Basically, it seems that a given package can only contain a single version Jul 05 16:00:43 fiferboy: For Debian that means foo_1.0.0.dsc pointing to one of: foo_1.0.0.tar.gz, foo_1.0.0.orig.tar.gz & foo_1.0.0.diff.gz, foo_1.0.0.orig.tar.gz & foo_1.0.0.debian.tar.gz Jul 05 16:01:07 fiferboy: Annoyingly, incrementing the version becomes a case of 'osc rm'ing the old version and 'osc add'ing the new version. Jul 05 16:02:07 Jaffa: I usually use the web interface, but I see the options for that Jul 05 16:05:48 Anyone received the n9 dev kit yet? Jul 05 16:05:57 twoboxen: A number of people have Jul 05 16:06:20 Anyone in the US? Jul 05 16:09:09 No idea Jul 05 16:10:25 twoboxen: Apparently someone in the US just got an email about it, but hasn't received it Jul 05 16:11:29 fiferboy: Interesting... I was in batch one, and I haven't seen any emails back (acknowledgement, shipment, etc) Jul 05 16:12:11 twoboxen: Many others (me included) in the same boat Jul 05 16:12:25 Looks like they are just getting the process rolling, hopefully things speed up tomorrow Jul 05 16:14:11 Woohoo, Attitude just updated over Harmattan COBS repository :-) Jul 05 16:14:55 Jaffa: Nice! Soon you'll get more apps to play with Jul 05 16:15:37 Jaffa: do you find yourself ever using the virtual kbd? Or are you always sitting with the kbd open? Jul 05 16:16:25 twoboxen: I try to use it as much as possible, to see if I could cope with an N9 Jul 05 16:16:43 Jaffa: And your verdict? Jul 05 16:16:50 Jaffa: yeah, that was basically my question. When they take the n950s back, I don't know what I will do Jul 05 16:17:01 twoboxen: When doing hacking (e.g. random shell scripts to organise something or generate an m3u playlist) or SSHing, I use the physical kb. Jul 05 16:17:09 Otherwise the VKB is alright. Jul 05 16:17:20 Definitely not as good as the iPad because of the small size Jul 05 16:17:45 Jaffa: What is the current state of mud2? Jul 05 16:17:55 Jaffa: I actually hate the iPad vkbd :) I have a btkbd for that reason. I just like emailing on hwkbd... and definitely any vim/ssh/etc Jul 05 16:18:11 If I have a source archive do I have to prepare it in any way for Harmattan? Jul 05 16:18:15 fiferboy: It'll take a qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan and give you three files suitable for uploading to OBS Jul 05 16:18:48 fiferboy: It's designed - unlike the first mud - for taking you from SDK -> OBS Jul 05 16:18:57 Well, its aim (ATM) Jul 05 16:19:21 Jaffa: So I will have to massage things to some extent to keep Fremantle support? Jul 05 16:20:39 fiferboy: If you're doing Fremantle support from Qt Creator, it will (by the end of this evening) also handle producing files suitable for the maemo.org autobuilder Jul 05 16:20:55 fiferboy: Currently, for Attitude, I'm using the same debian/ files effectively for Harmattan & Fremantle Jul 05 16:21:19 fiferboy: So a Fremantle autobuilder upload *should* go straight into the OBS withut problem (modulo build-depends etc) Jul 05 16:21:39 Jaffa: So you are using qtc_packaging for both Harmattan and Fremantle? Jul 05 16:21:50 My Fremantle packages never used those before Jul 05 16:22:20 fiferboy: Yeah, this version of Attitude is entirely written in Qt Creator, which creates qtc_packaging to contain debian_fremantle and debian_harmattan. But I've got symlinks between most of debian_harmattan to debian_fremantle. Jul 05 16:23:02 qtc_packaging? Jul 05 16:23:17 Stskeeps: It's a directory created by Qt Creator to put all your packaging in. Jul 05 16:23:20 Jaffa: Cool. I am not quite ready for packaging Harmattan yet, but I will be soon Jul 05 16:23:20 ah Jul 05 16:23:54 did you know you can make combined spec and deb in one obs package? Jul 05 16:24:06 Yes Jul 05 16:24:14 Which is what mud2 will be doing. Jul 05 16:24:36 And, once all the -fu, is setup: MeeGo spec for RPM, Harmattan deb and Fremantle deb :-) Jul 05 16:25:04 could be nice if qt creator could too Jul 05 16:25:50 Stskeeps: Given source output is an afterthought for the Qt & MeeGo SDKs, I wouldn't hold my breath. Jul 05 16:48:03 Moo. Jul 05 16:57:30 Jaffa: so, how do i add harmattan as target to my cobs projects? Jul 05 17:00:45 X-Fade: ping Jul 05 17:02:40 thp: go to your home project -> repositories -> add -> advanced -> start typing 'harmattan' Jul 05 17:02:55 the correct one gets autocompleted Jul 05 17:04:16 hmmh. something missing there.. Jul 05 17:06:01 thp: Copy the Harmattan lines into your own project's Advanced > Raw Config: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/meta?project=home%3Ajaffa Jul 05 17:19:10 Jaffa, timoph: thanks Jul 05 17:19:31 timoph: Ooh, really? Cool. Jul 05 17:20:20 Jaffa: didn't work as expected :/ Jul 05 17:20:34 timoph: No, I think you'd have to select armv7el and untick it586 Jul 05 17:20:43 ah Jul 05 17:21:13 Based on what I put in the raw config to get it to work: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=25005#post25005 Jul 05 17:21:32 yeah. I added it by 'osc meta -e prj' Jul 05 17:21:36 timoph: so you are accepted into launchpad as well but no email correct Jul 05 17:21:42 hiemanshu: yep Jul 05 17:22:19 timoph: so thats 3 of us so far Jul 05 17:22:28 (from what I know) Jul 05 17:23:28 I'd guess there's more but those others have more patience :) Jul 05 17:24:41 timoph, o/ Jul 05 17:24:51 timoph: Let me know your repository when it's up and running. Attitude's development repo is http://repo.pub.meego.com//home:/jaffa/Harmattan Jul 05 17:26:26 Jaffa: ok. I'll try to add debian stuff into mine and see if it works (home:timoph) Jul 05 17:26:32 iekku: o/ Jul 05 17:32:13 X-Fade: Harmattan OBS says "Nothing provides python-feedparser", but it's in the (Nokia) harmattan repos - can you do something about that? :) Jul 05 17:33:35 oh. it started building. let's see hot it fails :) Jul 05 17:33:46 s/hot/how/ Jul 05 17:33:47 timoph meant: oh. it started building. let's see how it fails :) Jul 05 17:35:24 meltdown? Jul 05 17:53:09 failed beautifully - kernel panic in the build machine :) Jul 05 17:53:31 my cluster at uni is failing Jul 05 17:54:03 the submission date was 25 hours before the start and end date when is failed Jul 05 17:54:15 which in turn was 4 hours in the future Jul 05 18:23:16 Jaffa: Do you remember how you got the toolbar to hide? Jul 05 18:24:19 "showToolBar: false" on the PageStackWindow doesn't look to work Jul 05 18:24:25 fiferboy: Yep, you have two options. 1) Raw QML/Qt, show your app fullscreen. 2) Using Qt Quick Components, show fullscreen and have showToolBar: false in your PageStackWindow Jul 05 18:24:43 fiferboy: You need to be fullscreen Jul 05 18:25:16 Jaffa: Surely that must be an oversight - I want a windowed app and have no use for the toolbar Jul 05 18:25:28 fiferboy: o/ Jul 05 18:25:35 Hey wazd Jul 05 18:25:48 Jaffa: aha, got you. Are you allowed to make screenshots? :P Jul 05 18:25:50 wazd: Have you done much QML layout yet? Jul 05 18:26:13 fiferboy: not quite, but I got used to harmattan UI :) Jul 05 18:26:37 wazd: Don't see why not Jul 05 18:26:42 wazd: What do you think of my Harmattan icons on http://andrew.olmsted.ca/meego Jul 05 18:26:49 fiferboy: You can showStausBar: true ;-) Jul 05 18:28:19 Jaffa: can you take a shot of harmattan contacts and mesages please? And mail them to drew.zhilin[at]gmail.com :) Jul 05 18:28:41 Jaffa: Ah. So show fullscreen removes the toolbar and statusbar, and then I add statusbar back in? Jul 05 18:29:03 fiferboy: statusbar and toolbare are drawn inside your window all the time Jul 05 18:29:24 fiferboy: they are drawn using some QML elements "around" your UI (page stack window, etc..) Jul 05 18:29:28 Jaffa: I'm working on social networks aggregator UI design and want to make it as native as possible, but I can't find enough shots to work with on the internets :( Jul 05 18:30:29 Jaffa: thp: So how do I make my window fullscreen? Jul 05 18:30:39 Doesn't appear in PageStackWindow or Window Jul 05 18:30:41 fiferboy: In main.cpp, viewer.showFullscreeen() Jul 05 18:30:51 Jaffa: Thank you! Jul 05 18:31:36 fiferboy: looks nice :) Jul 05 18:31:57 Jaffa: http://i011.radikal.ru/1107/3e/9b1af5d87487.png :) Jul 05 18:32:33 wazd: You have the same friends as me! Jul 05 18:32:48 fiferboy: showFullscreen()? Jul 05 18:33:02 oh, yeah. what jaffa said. without that extraneous e Jul 05 18:33:12 thp: Thanks, I wasn't looking at main.cpp :) Jul 05 18:33:30 I like the "three-e" version best Jul 05 18:33:30 wazd: angelina jolie is online! Jul 05 18:33:38 fiferboy: :P Jul 05 18:36:15 Jaffa: oh, I forgot, not contact list but contact details. That would be super-awesome Jul 05 18:36:47 wazd: Three screenshots incoming Jul 05 18:37:05 Jaffa: thanks a lot :) Jul 05 18:38:19 wazd: ...if I can work out where the screenshot widget has put them Jul 05 18:43:41 wazd, I'm still waiting on a device to get my UI prototypes together. . . Jul 05 18:44:47 aren't we all Jul 05 18:44:55 * w00t f5's launchpad url Jul 05 18:44:59 Well, except for two of us. Jul 05 18:45:03 (The bastards.) Jul 05 18:45:06 haha Jul 05 18:45:27 heh :) Jul 05 18:45:35 Yup Jul 05 18:45:47 GeneralAntilles: wazd: I'm struggling through with qemu in Linux :( Jul 05 18:46:01 None of the native applications will open for me in QEMU Jul 05 18:46:03 So I gave up. Jul 05 18:46:30 GeneralAntilles: You aren't designing the native apps, what do you need them for? Jul 05 18:46:43 To get a feel for the UI paradigms. Jul 05 18:46:50 GeneralAntilles: Screenshots Jul 05 18:47:00 Not good enough. Jul 05 18:47:04 and not enough of them. Jul 05 18:47:17 GeneralAntilles: Bug Jaffa for specific ones :) Jul 05 18:47:22 :-p Jul 05 18:47:24 Meh Jul 05 18:48:12 GeneralAntilles: Get a basic layout and functionality and then optimize when you have your device Jul 05 18:48:37 Sort of halfway there, but testing in QEMU makes me want to die. Jul 05 18:49:30 GeneralAntilles: As long as you don't need to actually click on anything, and can wait two minutes for the startup, and can forgive the weird artifacting, you're good Jul 05 18:50:52 "Qt Quick has been released with Qt 4.7. Companies use it to build user interfaces (UIs) for set-top boxes, tablet devices, in-vehicle infotainment systems, e-readers or mobile phones. Many more companies seriously evaluate Qt Quick. Such an interest is quite amazing for a new and unproven technology, so Qt Quick must have hit a nerve – or actually a couple of nerves." Jul 05 18:50:59 There's no way that was written by a native speaker. Jul 05 18:52:52 GeneralAntilles: Probably machine-generated Jul 05 18:53:53 Created with QArticle component :) Jul 05 18:54:18 maybe the nerve it hit was the announcement that there won't be anything else :) Jul 05 18:55:06 Random QML question - if an element is anchors.fill: parent, is also rotated and a child asks for parent.width - what does it get? Jul 05 18:57:43 what you *should* get is the parent width, independent on how the child is oriented Jul 05 18:59:32 Jaffa: thanks a lot again Jul 05 19:00:50 DEVELOPER EDITION Jul 05 19:01:31 berndhs: Is there a way of getting the visible width? Jul 05 19:01:36 wazd: :) Jul 05 19:03:07 The Nokia Developers Library browser is completely messed up in WebKit. Jul 05 19:03:51 Jaffa: no idea, maybe there is a bounding-box kind of thing somewhere Jul 05 19:09:29 berndhs: Yeah. I'll start googling Jul 05 19:09:54 what does it mean though for a child to fill the parent, and rotate within it ? Jul 05 19:10:20 berndhs: No idea - what I'm seeing is confusing the hell out of me ;-) Jul 05 19:10:43 * Jaffa 's code was designed for landscape, but since landscape orientation lock doesn't work in Harmattan's task switcher, I thought I'd be smart and rotate the window 90 def. Jul 05 19:11:09 Oooh, http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/qml-boundingbox.html looks cool for Proximus and geofencing Jul 05 19:11:22 But not too great Jul 05 19:11:34 i can see that, but say the rotate is 30 degrees and you want to fill, how would that work Jul 05 19:13:01 i suppose for 90 deg, you could just set width=parent.height and height=parent.width Jul 05 19:13:41 berndhs: Yeah, might be the way to go Jul 05 19:13:55 kinda pedestrian, but might work Jul 05 20:14:03 any rsync server for meego 1.2 releases and updates?? Jul 05 20:15:48 rsync.kernel.org Jul 05 20:46:50 Stskeeps: how do i find what i want there -.- Jul 05 20:47:02 want where? Jul 05 20:52:28 Stskeeps: the specific rsync server i want Jul 05 20:53:00 rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/mirrors/meego/ Jul 05 20:53:54 Stskeeps: rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.2 ? Jul 05 20:54:09 follows same structure as repo.meego.com Jul 05 20:55:33 Stskeeps: ok thanks Jul 05 21:05:25 who here used cordia? Jul 05 21:11:46 MySpaez: the people at #cordia I assume Jul 05 21:58:39 hey guys Jul 05 21:58:43 where is quim gil Jul 05 21:58:44 ? Jul 05 21:59:40 hi Jul 05 22:00:04 Why seif? Jul 05 22:00:08 somewhere in scandinavia Jul 05 22:01:00 MySpaez, i still did not get an answer from Nokia about https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/Join_Program.xhtml?programName=Launchpad%20for%20individuals Jul 05 22:01:32 seif: that seems to be the normal procedure Jul 05 22:01:50 berndhs, ok and how long does it tkae Jul 05 22:01:56 its been like this for 2 weeks Jul 05 22:01:57 i have no idea Jul 05 22:02:11 ok Jul 05 22:02:12 :) Jul 05 22:02:19 i was accepted for the n950 thingie Jul 05 22:02:28 but this is the last thing i am waiting for to go through Jul 05 22:02:30 send an e-mail... people can be busy Jul 05 22:02:39 they haven't even started ignoring me yet Jul 05 22:03:36 seif, be patient Jul 05 22:04:04 also, check https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/premium_profile.xhtml apparently emails aren't being sent out properly, so see the bottom of that page Jul 05 22:04:35 seif what qualified you for a n950??? Jul 05 22:05:47 MySpaez, my work on zeitgeist Jul 05 22:05:54 porting it to Maemo and MeeGo Jul 05 22:06:06 and rewriting my gt kapplicaiton to qt using qt-mobility Jul 05 22:06:31 i dont have a premium profile MohammadAG Jul 05 22:06:36 oh wait Jul 05 22:06:37 i do Jul 05 22:06:38 huh Jul 05 22:07:39 seif, obviously you do, you signed up for it in step 4 (iirc) of the email Jul 05 22:08:06 MohammadAG, actually i did not do that Jul 05 22:08:13 i already applied before that Jul 05 22:08:19 if it says Launchpad program, wait for the email w/ the subject "A Nokia N950 is waiting for you", if not, keep waiting till you're accepted Jul 05 22:09:04 and what is Jul 05 22:09:07 CONGRATULATIONS! You have been tentatively accepted in the MeeGo community N950 developer device program. Jul 05 22:09:07 We have assumed that you will use this Nokia N950 to Jul 05 22:09:13 ???? Jul 05 22:09:24 the email I mentioned above Jul 05 22:09:34 I assume you followed the steps in it, and replied back to it Jul 05 22:09:40 yes i did Jul 05 22:10:02 then wait for the second email after your launchpad account is accepted Jul 05 22:10:08 ah ok Jul 05 22:10:12 MohammadAG, thanks Jul 05 22:10:27 * w00t shakes a fist at Jaffa and thp again Jul 05 22:10:35 hehe Jul 05 22:10:42 https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 should be the URL in the second email Jul 05 22:10:48 interesting project seif Jul 05 22:10:53 it won't work till you're accepted FYI Jul 05 22:11:25 MohammadAG, in step 2 i got "You have an existing contact, please disassociate from developer account page before creating a new account." when i clicked on https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/premium_registration.xhtml Jul 05 22:11:28 so i skipped it Jul 05 22:11:30 then i went to Jul 05 22:11:38 step 3 Jul 05 22:11:38 https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/Join_Program.xhtml?programName=Launchpad%20for%20individuals Jul 05 22:11:40 how much does a dev n950 cost? Jul 05 22:12:01 where it told me There is an existing membership application already for this program. The applicant will be notified by e-mail once the membership application has been reviewed. Jul 05 22:12:08 MySpaez: you can't buy them. Jul 05 22:12:12 MySpaez, it's a developer device Jul 05 22:12:17 w00t, also: X-Fade and andre__, apparently. Jul 05 22:12:23 seif, then you have to wait Jul 05 22:12:32 w00t, we'll need to start executing some hit and run raids soon. Jul 05 22:12:45 is it because i created the application before i got the first mail Jul 05 22:12:52 was it wrong or is it ok? Jul 05 22:12:54 MohammadAG, ^ Jul 05 22:13:09 it's fine Jul 05 22:13:37 seif, only 4 people actually have devices Jul 05 22:13:40 GeneralAntilles: dammit Jul 05 22:13:41 :P Jul 05 22:13:54 and only a few dozen more have LaunchPad accounts confirmed. Jul 05 22:13:59 seif, so, relax. Wait. Jul 05 22:15:22 ah ok Jul 05 22:15:22 cool Jul 05 22:15:25 GeneralAntilles, thanks Jul 05 22:16:57 patience makes the world go round, etc Jul 05 22:17:34 and time is money? Jul 05 22:17:50 and you can expect to live about 700,000 hours Jul 05 22:17:52 i have a nice tablet so .. Jul 05 22:18:28 so 80 years, that's way to long :) Jul 05 22:18:39 too* Jul 05 22:19:41 it is very short Jul 05 22:20:45 yeah, 80 years is not a lot of time Jul 05 22:21:18 w00t: why so fist-shaking? Jul 05 22:21:30 oh well, they are working on that particular bug anyway so. fingers crossed it happens in your life-time? :D Jul 05 22:22:32 if is doesn't happen in *my* lifetime, you guys are on your own Jul 05 22:25:07 thp: there is a lack of n950 in my life *g* Jul 05 22:26:01 could be worse. Jul 05 22:27:07 yeah could be raining Jul 05 22:27:24 could be raining cats. Jul 05 22:28:21 let's not go compete how things could be worse, shall we Jul 05 22:28:46 it always tends to end up someone depressing the whole channel :-> Jul 05 22:28:48 Jaffa, the only one who said that "impatience is one of the virtues of the programmer" is also the one who got his device earlier. Jul 05 22:28:58 so, learn the zen from the master. Jul 05 22:29:35 ;P Jul 05 22:32:49 thp, yeah, javispedro could also have one. Jul 05 22:33:37 amazon shipped! Jul 05 22:33:40 oh wait, wrong channel. Jul 05 22:37:19 Remember - when shipping amazons, put some holes in the top of the box so they can breath in the post. Jul 05 22:41:07 hm, can I find SDL in meego 1.2? Jul 05 22:41:29 dyrvere: harmattan or meego? Jul 05 22:42:18 no idea what harmattan is, but meego 1.2 for netbooks. Jul 05 22:42:39 my image of meego 1.2 for netbooks ships with SDL because it includes some SDL game, frozenbubble iirc. Jul 05 22:43:09 so yes. Jul 05 22:43:36 strange, not listed as installed packages in the package manager. Jul 05 22:43:45 dyrvere: zypper search SDL-deve Jul 05 22:43:49 zypper search SDL-devel Jul 05 22:44:03 thanks I'll try that Jul 05 22:44:27 you can try frozen bubble, it should be in the applications list =) Jul 05 22:45:35 On the other hand, is there a nice game-repository you could recommend? Jul 05 22:45:46 * javispedro is atm testing Palm's Multitouch enabled SDL 1.2 in meego netbooks on the ideapad... Jul 05 22:47:21 dyrvere: no idea about a community one, but you might try intel's www.appup.com Jul 05 22:47:43 (no idea if it works for meego already) Jul 05 22:49:37 can it run maemo games? Jul 05 22:50:55 meego for netbooks? not without some work.. Jul 05 23:12:32 * alterego held an N950 today Jul 05 23:12:35 woo! Jul 05 23:12:39 seeeeexty Jul 05 23:16:06 I take it that means you liked it : p Jul 05 23:32:12 morning Jul 05 23:33:57 bleh Jul 05 23:34:42 CosmoHill, not such a good one for you? Jul 05 23:34:51 hayfever sucks Jul 05 23:43:30 hayfever eh? http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs25/f/2008/158/8/4/Gas_Mask_with_Respirator_Stock_by_XerStock.jpg Jul 06 00:39:15 night night **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 06 02:59:57 2011