**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 12 02:59:57 2011 Jul 12 04:01:45 morning Jul 12 04:34:16 mrnng Jul 12 05:44:09 X-Fade: the output is empty: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=raptor&project=home%3Adjszapi&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan Jul 12 05:55:48 X-Fade: 400 remote error: answer is not xml Jul 12 06:17:49 Does anyone tried MeeGo on an All-in-one system ? Jul 12 06:33:31 maour: what would that be? Jul 12 06:33:48 dm8tbr: All-on-one ? Jul 12 06:33:58 yes Jul 12 06:34:23 as it names says , it a complete pc in a monitor ;) Jul 12 06:35:53 architecture, hardware specifics, chipsets, cpus, ... etc Jul 12 06:36:12 without that the answer is 'possibly', plus minus supported components Jul 12 06:38:55 dm8tbr: there is some all-in-one systems on the market , for example msi,gigabyte,asus, .. . i tryed meego-tablet on msi but it doesn't work at all ! Jul 12 06:40:26 maour: msi is a brand, not a specific model. if you intend to be that vague and non technical I don't think there is reason to discuss this further Jul 12 06:40:27 dm8tbr: actually touch input doesn't work !! i saw zone place Jul 12 06:41:00 maour: maybe if you know the exact type, you can look for it. MeeGo is not universal yet :) Jul 12 06:41:05 and now you contradict yourself 'not at all' and 'touch input doesn't work' are two _very_ _very_ different things Jul 12 06:41:23 yes , sorry. Jul 12 06:41:35 actually touch input doesn't work Jul 12 06:42:02 that could be as easy as a missing config option Jul 12 06:42:33 what I'd do is try a tablet image. it should have at least the touch driver for the exopc. you never know. Jul 12 06:42:40 but more likely you'll end up fixing the config Jul 12 06:42:59 or even recompiling parts to add support for the given input device Jul 12 06:43:36 o , i didn't know about touch driver , you mean if i install an oridnary linux distro , it wouldn't work ? Jul 12 06:44:36 maour: if everything worked inside the linux kernel, there would be no development. New things usually need some investigation. :) Jul 12 06:45:58 for meego , nVIDIA is better or ATI ? Jul 12 06:46:28 or intel :D Jul 12 06:46:57 well , most of all-in-one system use nVIDIA or ATi Jul 12 06:47:06 intel and pvr are the only ones with drivers Jul 12 06:47:23 in the image itself that is Jul 12 06:47:40 nvidia will rather suck with wayland too Jul 12 06:48:12 really ? Jul 12 06:48:27 how would it not? Jul 12 06:48:38 unless you want to run wayland ontop of x11 Jul 12 06:49:05 well, nvidia is not special regarding that what I meant. Jul 12 06:49:31 what do you think about this hardware ? Graphics Integrated Intel HD Graphics :) http://www.msi.com/product/aio/Wind-Top-AE2040.html#?div=Overview Jul 12 06:50:04 anyway, I have a AMD E-350 myself and the big issue with open drivers on it is that the operation temps go rather high Jul 12 06:50:21 catalyst is 20C lower on idle Jul 12 06:51:08 I do not think nvidia is specially wrong about it. You need to create contexts, etc pretty much with all of them. Jul 12 06:51:36 I only meant that there's the meego push to wayland in 1.3 Jul 12 06:55:23 maour, I guess those are cpu integrated ones Jul 12 07:09:36 vvaltone: what compositor does meego use if any ? Jul 12 07:09:53 ahhh there is a meegotouch-compositor. Jul 12 07:12:00 yeah, the abomination called mcompositor Jul 12 07:12:37 I don't recommend looking at it, it causes madness Jul 12 07:13:23 kwin might be better option than with KDE :p Jul 12 07:40:03 X-Fade: libxml is available on harmattan, but it does not still try install even if it is clearly claimed in the depends list: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=raptor&project=home%3Adjszapi&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan Jul 12 08:01:57 Morning, all Jul 12 08:01:59 lbt: pong Jul 12 08:02:15 Jaffa: 6 packages are fine for harmattan :p Jul 12 08:02:24 we could maybe sync up in order to avoid the duplications if any. Jul 12 08:44:06 anyone read chinease here ? http://news.imobile.com.cn/index-a-view-id-94212.html Jul 12 08:47:04 looks fake Jul 12 08:48:14 heh, microsoft would never allow that Jul 12 08:48:34 I saw N11 last night :) Jul 12 08:49:12 Let me rename my exopc to N12 quick Jul 12 08:49:19 convenient pocket sized phone Jul 12 09:00:57 Jaffa: does the harmattan target work for you now ? Jul 12 09:01:17 It does zero here, just peding building without any output, nor result. Jul 12 09:04:24 vvaltone: this is the origin I guess: http://mynokiablog.com/2011/07/10/my-dream-nokia-29-nokia-n10-triple-boot-android-meego-harmattan-windows-phone-mango-concept/ Jul 12 09:07:35 hey guys Jul 12 09:07:38 i got the sandbox Jul 12 09:07:42 i mean Jul 12 09:07:44 scratchbox Jul 12 09:07:52 djszapi: It did last time I built anything (last week) Jul 12 09:07:55 can some1 tell me how i can cross compile and install stuff Jul 12 09:08:10 Jaffa: yeah, me too, but not today. Jul 12 09:08:56 Nice how 'not MicroSIM' is in the features :) Jul 12 09:09:50 * jykae haz n950 Jul 12 09:11:22 hmm, doesn't want to turn to portrait mode Jul 12 09:11:37 i mean landscape Jul 12 09:11:42 jykae: congratz can you /j #950 Jul 12 09:12:48 any one going to that meego mediterrian summit in malta?? Jul 12 09:14:29 Stskeepz, so I got the sgx on my machine (using the same instructions Sage offered last night for the calculator) Jul 12 09:15:00 ok Jul 12 09:15:01 * lcuk sets about reading it and looking for gatepost bug Jul 12 09:49:45 lbt: something is wrong about the community OBS, harmattan target. It does not build anything, it does not provide any build output and everything seems to fail even which worked previously. Jul 12 09:50:04 hmm Jul 12 09:50:39 for instance: if you click on the building link, there is no output and after a quite while: I keep getting they are failed. https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&building=1&defaults=0&project=home%3Adjszapi&repo_MeeGo_1_2_Harmattan=1 Jul 12 09:51:02 but no error output why they failed etc, not sure what I could do on my side. Jul 12 09:51:12 lbt ^ Jul 12 09:55:19 the xen vm isn't running Jul 12 09:56:49 lbt: what is the next step to proceed ? Jul 12 09:56:56 I'm looking Jul 12 09:57:30 X-Fade: ping Jul 12 09:57:53 lbt: people told me that on #obs, the other targets work them just fine. Jul 12 09:58:35 ? Jul 12 09:58:50 the opensuse room? Jul 12 09:59:03 lbt: yep, they do not use meego, but obs works for them. Jul 12 09:59:50 yeah. It's a bit like going to a fedora room to ask about an ubuntu bug.... only relevant if it's an upstream Jul 12 10:00:18 and in this case it's more like asking in fedora-ops why the ubuntu website is slow :) Jul 12 10:01:04 I am just trying to provide as much information as possible to the obs matter. Jul 12 10:01:31 :) ... just saying why it's not worth bothering #obs Jul 12 10:01:40 lbt: Also there was similar issue this morning and then it got working for 1-2 hours and then again this state. Jul 12 10:02:17 I think I may have to hand this to X-Fade Jul 12 10:02:41 it's not obvious (crashed worker) and too busy to look at it right now Jul 12 10:03:14 djszapi: so we don't forget, can you file a bug on it Jul 12 10:03:53 lbt: sure but, if takes more days... I will be a bit disappointed really :) Jul 12 10:04:22 djszapi: Harmattan is experimental still. Sorry about that. Jul 12 10:04:39 lbt: right, so such issues exist only on Harmattan ? Jul 12 10:04:49 AFAIK Jul 12 10:06:02 lbt: aren't X-Fade on a very long holiday ? :) Jul 12 10:06:18 lbt: What is the bugtracker address for these things, the meego one ? Jul 12 10:06:31 * isn't Jul 12 10:06:33 no, we're just very very busy Jul 12 10:06:35 (hint) Jul 12 10:07:43 morning Jul 12 10:23:38 * lcuk slides over a pot of coffee to lbt and X-Fade and the team Jul 12 10:35:28 phunguy: what's the PLA? Jul 12 10:40:55 People's Liberation Army Jul 12 10:41:38 product loan agreement, if you are talking about what i think you might be :) Jul 12 10:57:38 lbt: How about this error ? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=raptor2&project=home%3Adjszapi&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan The package clearly has the libxml2 dependency in the dsc file and it does not even try to install that. That is available on Harmattan as the part of the platform. Jul 12 10:58:51 Actually, all my packages are failing to build which has the libxml2-dev dependency. Jul 12 11:05:05 djszapi: didn't see a bug report yet Jul 12 11:05:50 lbt: well it is another OBS bug :) Jul 12 11:05:56 vgrade, can you grok the specs of this http://www.noteslate.com/index02.htm Jul 12 11:06:03 2 reports then :) Jul 12 11:06:15 lbt: so you have no clue, you are saying that ? Jul 12 11:06:22 no Jul 12 11:06:26 I'm saying I have no time Jul 12 11:06:40 and if there is no bug report I won't have anything to come back to later Jul 12 11:06:58 lbt: well I asked for the bugtracker page, you did not answer Jul 12 11:07:10 djszapi: no, I didn't Jul 12 11:07:50 telling you how to log bugs is not something I have time to do either Jul 12 11:07:52 https://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Community%20Build%20Service Jul 12 11:08:06 I guess would be right Jul 12 11:08:28 I do appreciate you reporting problems with the OBS and I'm sorry I'm being short with you Jul 12 11:08:38 but I am really busy right now. Jul 12 11:09:01 hard to report without knowing the bugtracker (It is not mentioned on the wikipage of c-obs!) Jul 12 11:09:09 please do some investigation, find out (on your own) how to log a (good!) bug and then do so. That would be valuable Jul 12 11:09:16 also edit the wiki Jul 12 11:09:40 djszapi, I just pasted the bug page I believe community build issues should be filed under for you Jul 12 11:10:11 lcuk: yeah, you also said "guess"-ed :) It should really be mentioned on the wiki page by the project persons :) Jul 12 11:10:33 djszapi: welcome to the project.... you are now a project person Jul 12 11:10:59 right, so I can add any bugtracker I find so :) Jul 12 11:11:01 all we can do is communicate and try to find the best places. which wiki page are you reading Jul 12 11:11:10 because I will add this link to there to help others Jul 12 11:11:17 to be quite honest...I would not post it to meego since it is maemo target... Jul 12 11:14:43 is there any meego wiki page about "using valgrind" Jul 12 11:14:53 bkalinga: no, probably similar way as on all other platforms Jul 12 11:15:20 bkalinga: why do you think you need a meego specific page for that ? Jul 12 11:15:21 Stskeepz: that means the tool is not part of SDK Jul 12 11:15:51 and i want to download it for my Ubuntu10.04 (host system) Jul 12 11:16:17 bkalinga: valgrind would normally run on target Jul 12 11:16:34 here my target is QEMU Jul 12 11:16:48 so how can i run valgrind? Jul 12 11:16:55 zypper install it in there? Jul 12 11:17:12 bkalinga, valgrind was part of 1.0 core, just looking for the later one Jul 12 11:17:16 it should just be installable Jul 12 11:17:44 http://build.meego.com/package/show?package=valgrind&project=MeeGo%3A1.2%3Aoss Jul 12 11:17:45 ok let me check through zypper Jul 12 11:18:03 yeah i got it through zypper Jul 12 11:18:06 \o Jul 12 11:20:42 lcuk, that device is a little light on details Jul 12 11:27:35 hey is smart packaged for meego? Jul 12 11:28:10 how can i search packages by name in http://repo.pub.meego.com/ Jul 12 11:29:55 luist: you can look for packages on c-obs Jul 12 11:30:09 luist: i can try to build it Jul 12 11:30:13 or with zypper on the device as well Jul 12 11:30:23 RzR950: ooh that would be great Jul 12 11:39:20 vgrade, yeah I know, lots of things are vapourish but it would be good to have meego+liqbase on it! Jul 12 11:46:29 RzR950: are u going to package smart for meego? Jul 12 11:46:48 what meego version do you run ? Jul 12 11:47:44 * niala think it's hard to choose a laptop.... Jul 12 11:48:29 niala: Dell XPS 15z Jul 12 11:50:32 thiago, nvidia videocard? not intel for meego? Jul 12 11:52:13 you said laptop Jul 12 11:52:28 meego is optimised for netbooks and smaller form-factors Jul 12 11:53:08 * sroedal wonders how jørgen got a sandy bridge laptop without a nvidia or amd gpu Jul 12 11:53:11 true Jul 12 12:27:12 i got the mail from DHL this morning saying that my N950 has arrived in Lyon (France) so i must receive it that day Jul 12 12:27:20 OMG can't waiit Jul 12 12:40:11 RzR950: 1.2.0 Jul 12 12:43:27 TheBootroo, hello n950 lucky guy Jul 12 12:43:38 niala: yeah Jul 12 12:46:37 hello Jul 12 12:46:57 how do i execute something with root priviliges on the n950 Jul 12 12:47:14 devel-su Jul 12 12:47:39 TheBootroo, lol i was in this channel since day one exept the 3months for n950 program Jul 12 12:48:52 niala: i'm one of the meego folloers since the announce of maemo and moblin back in 2009 Jul 12 12:49:24 niala: (just look at my subscription date on meego.com : its the day the website opened) Jul 12 12:49:43 RzR950, and what is the password Jul 12 12:49:44 ? Jul 12 12:52:25 rootme ? Jul 12 12:58:56 lcuk, good to have MeeGo on a lot of things Jul 12 12:59:28 my latest, http://twitpic.com/5oqp1r, trimslice Jul 12 13:03:58 RzR950: sry for taking too long to answer :) Jul 12 13:04:11 RzR950: are u going to build smart for meego 1.2.0? Jul 12 13:04:33 i'll try to , but wait a couple of days Jul 12 13:08:53 vgrade, o_O you have to turn your monitor round 90degrees :P Jul 12 13:09:02 morning fiferboy Jul 12 13:09:07 lcuk, :) Jul 12 13:09:39 lcuk, or use a newer meego-ux image Jul 12 13:14:12 a motorized screen rotator would be cool Jul 12 13:15:00 extra points for thefirst person who makes it dance :P Jul 12 13:15:52 Reminder: Community Office meeting starts in 50 minutes in #meego-meeting. Details / agenda: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings Jul 12 13:17:19 Hi Dawn Jul 12 13:17:27 hey vgrade Jul 12 13:24:01 moin Jul 12 13:26:38 Presuming the N950 will be on sale to developers, how do you get recognized as a developer to buy it? :P Jul 12 13:26:59 it wont Jul 12 13:27:24 They'll only loan them Jul 12 13:27:30 ah :S Jul 12 13:27:45 I'll stick with my N900 then on maemo Jul 12 13:28:11 "loan", but are they expected to be returned ever? Jul 12 13:29:18 why bother with the n950 at all if there will be no other nokia-made meego phones after n9/n950 ? Jul 12 13:29:25 also, I think it's got to do with all the pesky consumer rights laws and possibly telecommunications device laws Jul 12 13:29:48 when device is only on loan, many of them might not apply (such as warranty stuff) Jul 12 13:29:52 Lantizia: we bother the gnu :) Jul 12 13:30:11 i can understand the n9 coming out if nokia contractually made to release a meego phone by say intel or whomever Jul 12 13:30:26 but a developer only n950 - why? if nokia is ditching meego Jul 12 13:30:43 Lantizia: it's only worth bothering with if you want a real Linux phone, which isn't "half-finished" product like N900 Jul 12 13:31:20 hyde____, yes but from nokia's perspective - why are they doing this at all? Jul 12 13:31:35 I imagine the n950 is a old design they just decided to reuse Jul 12 13:31:38 Lantizia: probably because the n950 is actually a canceled product that was made in small quantities... better make some use of those units instead of just thrasing them Jul 12 13:31:45 a free "on loan" n950 won't make any money - so why bother at all if the OS is dead? Jul 12 13:31:51 (or rather dead in nokia's eyes) Jul 12 13:31:52 not sure... I think there are people inside who want it, and there are promises made, possibly agreemetns with Intel Jul 12 13:32:06 toninikk1nen, then why not sell them? Jul 12 13:32:18 toninikk1nen, nokia has no interest in qt/ovi now Jul 12 13:32:24 maybe because they don't have amoled Jul 12 13:32:53 or because they don't want to have more than contractually obliged number of meego phones in the market Jul 12 13:33:04 it's not worthwhile to start selling something you only have a couple of hundred units.. and then you have to deal with warranty, support... Jul 12 13:33:15 N9 will have lifetime of 3 years at least. That's so long time in this industry, that I'm not one bit worried even if it's the only Meego phone ever Jul 12 13:33:22 it's actually cheaper to just give them away Jul 12 13:33:41 toninikk1nen, so essentially give the ovi/qt devs a free n950 so they'll make more ovi/qt apps for the n9 Jul 12 13:33:43 or "loan" them Jul 12 13:33:50 then the n9 dies... umm... nevermind lol Jul 12 13:34:00 well that's the part of the plan I don't understand.. yes... Jul 12 13:34:14 didn't Elop say that Qt will be in key role in the "next billion" strategy? Jul 12 13:34:23 yes he did, in Singapore Jul 12 13:34:29 qt for the next billion Jul 12 13:34:30 it'll be key! but it won't be in windows phone :S Jul 12 13:34:37 hey guys Jul 12 13:34:47 who cares about the Windows phone line? ;-) Jul 12 13:34:48 hyde____, except it isn't a meego phone Jul 12 13:34:57 it's maemo 6 Jul 12 13:35:07 can some1 help me wiht this error Jul 12 13:35:08 [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~/debfiles/rdflib-2.4.2] > fakeroot dpkg-reconfigure python-all Jul 12 13:35:08 hyde____, well it doesn't make sense if it'll be key if the OS symbian is being replaced for doesn't do it Jul 12 13:35:18 well, technically yes. but by definition, it's Meego phone Jul 12 13:35:28 [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~/debfiles/rdflib-2.4.2] > fakeroot dpkg-reconfigure python-all Jul 12 13:35:28 because it's been defined to be Meego phone... ;-) Jul 12 13:35:28 /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set Jul 12 13:35:49 vvaltone, still debian under the hood? Jul 12 13:35:51 hyde____, I'm your landlord, give me money Jul 12 13:36:05 Lantizia, if you mean dpkg, yes I think so Jul 12 13:36:15 seif, export SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=/scratchbox/path/to/qemu Jul 12 13:36:30 i'd have an n9 - but I like my keyb too much, so I'll stick with n900 Jul 12 13:36:43 don't suppose maemo 6 (on the n9) will be installable on the n900 ? Jul 12 13:37:04 it would be semi-sucky on the n900, no multitouch for example... Jul 12 13:37:13 much less memory, etc Jul 12 13:37:14 vvaltone: Nokia and Intel are "landlords" of Meego, aren't they? Jul 12 13:37:31 hyde____, yeah, but you don't have to buy into marketing Jul 12 13:37:35 toninikk1nen, better than being left behind with maemo 5 though Jul 12 13:37:52 well, there is MeeGo 1.2 CE for N900 :) Jul 12 13:37:56 I'm sure there'll be a N9-ce, if there isn't already Jul 12 13:38:03 my only issue with meego was the rpm's - i'd have meego 1.2 harmatten if it's still dpkg Jul 12 13:38:05 so you get your meego phone Jul 12 13:38:11 seif, specifically mine is export SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=/scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-armeb-sb Jul 12 13:38:15 toninikk1nen, but that is rpm Jul 12 13:38:16 timoph, better would be to scope it to be Nokia-CE or MeeGo-CE! Jul 12 13:38:26 the fun part is you can have MeeGo on the N900 and Maemo on the N9 when it was supposed to be the other way around Jul 12 13:39:17 strange, my LAN ipv6 link is 2.5 times faster than the ipv4 link on the same interface Jul 12 13:40:00 berndhs, IPv6 FTW! Jul 12 13:40:12 berndhs, better routing? Jul 12 13:40:28 this is 1 hop, no routing involved Jul 12 13:40:29 berndhs, or is it local only? Jul 12 13:40:32 oh, heh Jul 12 13:40:37 so meego 1.2 harmattan on n900 is unlikely? Jul 12 13:40:45 maybe your router is filtering the ipv4 packets Jul 12 13:40:53 or whatever Jul 12 13:40:56 Termana, do i do that in the scratchbox or outside it Jul 12 13:41:05 doesn't even go through a router I think, its within the LAN Jul 12 13:41:07 seif, inside Jul 12 13:41:21 lcuk: true since it's not only for the n900 anymore Jul 12 13:41:44 but the LAN gateway doesn't know about the ipv6 and connman doesn't know about it Jul 12 13:41:58 Termana, done but now i get Error -8 while loading /usr/bin/perl.real Jul 12 13:42:16 Lantizia: at least Meego 1.2 Harmattan on N900 so that you'd actually want to use it on daily basis is unlikely Jul 12 13:43:02 * timoph goes. bbl Jul 12 13:43:08 \o Jul 12 13:43:11 seif, probably something to do with whatever your trying to do. I don't know how to fix that one (especially since you've described the error a little ambiguously) :p Jul 12 13:43:31 are there any policies regarding cmake flags on meego? Jul 12 13:43:40 ie: -DCMAKE_SHARED_LINKER_FLAGS="-Wl,--as-needed -Wl,--no-undefined" \ Jul 12 13:47:30 RzR950: ok... can you email me if you do? Jul 12 13:57:07 RzR950: i PMed you my email... thanks :) Jul 12 14:00:24 the current plan is systemd for 1.4 ? or 1.3 already ? Jul 12 14:01:20 1.3 and it is already there Jul 12 14:01:28 ah ok Jul 12 14:04:13 Community office meeting starting now in #meego-meeting :) Jul 12 14:07:30 anyone knows how to take a screenshot in N950? Jul 12 15:02:04 achipa, 2 twitter accounts?! Jul 12 15:02:16 4 actually Jul 12 15:02:19 and counting Jul 12 15:02:20 ;) Jul 12 15:03:04 heh Jul 12 15:06:22 people with a single personality can be boring :) Jul 12 15:06:34 lbt / Jaffa I have to drop offline to drive to work Jul 12 15:06:52 continuing from CO meeting Jul 12 15:07:10 I've said we need this Jul 12 15:07:23 can we just tell Reggie that it needs doing Jul 12 15:07:25 I'm just asking for a freaking summary posted to the mailing list Jul 12 15:07:43 if you really completely understand what we need to do that task should take a few minutes Jul 12 15:07:57 and help everyone better understand the how, why and when Jul 12 15:08:00 We don't know what to do Jul 12 15:08:01 DawnFoster: I thought we didn't want to dismantle the mailman lists though, which it sounds like would be necessary? Jul 12 15:08:04 it is closed source Jul 12 15:08:10 mrshaver: red herring Jul 12 15:08:19 nothing to do with mailman Jul 12 15:08:21 ok, so we don't know what we need to do and you guys need to create a plan Jul 12 15:08:25 no Jul 12 15:08:26 I'm all for having a plan Jul 12 15:08:27 Reggie does Jul 12 15:08:32 I'm all for having a plan Jul 12 15:08:36 me too Jul 12 15:08:38 * lcuk imagines DawnFoster with a cigar Jul 12 15:08:40 But the only person who knows what needs doing is Reggie. Jul 12 15:08:41 it's clear that not everyone understands what needs to happen Jul 12 15:08:45 no Jul 12 15:08:52 so talk to reggie and ask him to post a plan Jul 12 15:08:56 (what needs doing technically) Jul 12 15:09:08 if he doesn't then escalate back to me and we'll figure this out Jul 12 15:09:08 DawnFoster: He seems to have gone dark. Jul 12 15:09:09 the CO should ask Reggie and prioritise the work Jul 12 15:09:17 we've been asking since April 2010 Jul 12 15:09:22 I see no results or plan Jul 12 15:09:24 or the it team can ask reggie Jul 12 15:09:41 OK Jul 12 15:09:45 that'll do me Jul 12 15:09:54 the IT can bring this up with Reggie and see what issues there are Jul 12 15:09:54 lbt / jaffa - please ask reggie one more time and escalate to me if you don't get a response in 3 days Jul 12 15:10:05 now, I really do need to drop off to drive into work Jul 12 15:10:19 lbt: mrshaver: Thanks. Do you want to reply to the last paragraph of http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-June/004252.html to that effect? Jul 12 15:10:29 will do Jul 12 15:10:30 DawnFoster: Have a safe journey Jul 12 15:10:34 thanks :) Jul 12 15:10:35 thanks DawnFoster Jul 12 15:10:57 Thanks DawnFoster, lbt, mrshaver Jul 12 15:11:09 (and, in advance, to rsuplido) Jul 12 15:16:58 alterego, ping dialer meeting in #meego-meeting Jul 12 15:27:04 lcuk: my gf loves the N8 .. Jul 12 15:27:18 I'll probably be able to get access to it maybe once a week ;) Jul 12 15:27:27 she's only with you for your gadgets! Jul 12 15:27:56 Jaffa: ping Jul 12 15:28:34 CosmoHill: actually she hates my gadgets .. Jul 12 15:29:33 Jaffa: the gmp package causes segfault for me in scratchbox while running the tests after the package built. I wonder whether it would be the same for you. It is some qemu emulation issue. It fails at two test cases from the 200-300. Jul 12 16:00:00 oh right, I'm meant to be doing work Jul 12 16:00:04 * CosmoHill closes firefox Jul 12 16:00:14 as soon as I've finished reading this page Jul 12 16:01:01 CosmoHill, this isn't a web-page :P Jul 12 16:02:16 http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Nuns-and-Regexes-Do-Not-Mix.aspx Jul 12 16:02:20 kinda failed at censoring Jul 12 16:04:06 * CosmoHill goes off to fix the mips book Jul 12 16:15:36 i am confused about all the version numbers again Jul 12 16:15:54 says the person with 1234 in his name Jul 12 16:16:12 what is the difference between meego-netbook-1.2.0.90.7.20110706 and 1.2.80.8.0.20110628.2? Jul 12 16:16:36 one is the testing version of 1.2.1 and the other is the testing version of 1.3? Jul 12 16:17:01 i think 1.2.8 is testing for 1.3 and 1.2.0.90 is testing for 1.2.1 Jul 12 16:30:55 ali1234: CosmoHill: yes. Jul 12 16:31:14 ali1234: 1.2.0.80 is what becomes 1.2.1, 1.2.80 is what becomes 1.3 Jul 12 16:31:35 which one should i test for bugs? Jul 12 16:32:04 i would steer clear of 1.2.80 at the moment, we are beating it severely/invasive changes Jul 12 16:32:36 they are asking me to verify the "kernel won't build" bug again Jul 12 16:32:45 ah.. Jul 12 16:32:57 bug 14307 Jul 12 16:33:00 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14307 nor, Medium, ---, kai.chai, RESO WORKSFORME, kernel build with rpmbuild fails during prep Jul 12 16:33:29 people keep saying it works for them but they don't say which version they used, or how they built the kernel Jul 12 16:33:38 brb dinner Jul 12 16:33:39 if they followed the steps i gave there is a 0% chance of it working Jul 12 16:34:18 you're building within meego i guess? Jul 12 16:34:24 yes Jul 12 16:34:41 since it's the only sensible and reproducable way Jul 12 16:36:53 is there a way to put multiple images on one usb stick? Jul 12 16:36:59 that would be *really* handy Jul 12 16:37:09 since i am downloading 4 different versions Jul 12 16:37:20 and i only have 2x 8gb sticks Jul 12 16:40:20 is it possible to netboot these images? Jul 12 16:42:31 ali1234: there's a sale at play.com i think Jul 12 16:44:08 still more expensive than ebuyer Jul 12 17:08:35 hi Jul 12 17:10:25 dm8tbr: reading that website reminds me of a time in school where I almost got thrown out of GCSE IT Jul 12 17:12:17 Im in a trouble. since i installed meego on my hp netbook, i can't boot any other os from the stick. I already checkt the bios, but meego starts everytime right after i've chosen my flashdrive. Can someone tell me how to fix that? Jul 12 17:14:48 fnordsniff: MeeGo doesn't/can't modify your bios or boot order. Check again, I guess? Jul 12 17:15:19 Likewise make sure your flash is OK (maybe try booting it elsewhere to test). Jul 12 17:15:43 Mh Ok Jul 12 17:18:38 * CosmoHill wishes people would put the windows sticker under a laptop Jul 12 17:19:10 There's a windows sticker down there already Jul 12 17:19:29 I peeled the windows sticker off my old laptop, windows is then only OS that doesn't work on it Jul 12 17:19:45 thanks, it did not work on my notebook either Jul 12 17:19:51 I got a windows sticker on my mate's laptop but it's all rubbed off so I can't read it Jul 12 17:20:05 berndhs: same here with my notebook :) Jul 12 17:20:34 I kind of like the "peel off the branding" step to unboxing a new machine. Jul 12 17:20:55 the APIC is dead in mine, i dont think there is a way to tell windows to ignore it Jul 12 17:22:22 first thing I do with new machines, peel off the marketing crap Jul 12 18:05:13 what is setting the clock to May 1 in the live limages ? and why ? Jul 12 18:35:16 um... so meego 1.3 installer only has the option to wipe the entire disk? Jul 12 18:36:08 not only that but it happens automatically when you boot the installer Jul 12 18:36:11 yes, weren't you in the discussion with auke? Jul 12 18:36:27 yes Jul 12 18:37:05 automatically seems extreme Jul 12 18:37:14 you get three seconds to cancel it Jul 12 18:37:21 ah Jul 12 18:37:34 well, prolly for production like scenarios Jul 12 18:37:43 like how n900s are made Jul 12 18:37:54 well, i won't be testing any 1.3 images until there is a sensible installation option Jul 12 18:38:00 berndhs i think was working on a fork Jul 12 18:38:01 french people around there ? => meeting at #meego-fr ;) Jul 12 18:38:04 it's going to be changed to not do autoinstall by default Jul 12 18:38:19 chouchoune: you are welcome to use #meego-meeting too Jul 12 18:38:19 ali1234: #define sensible Jul 12 18:38:28 ~haveameegomeeting Jul 12 18:38:29