**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 16 02:59:57 2011 Jul 16 03:09:33 Excuse me, is there anyone installed Meego-netbook-1.2 into VirtualBox as a guest? Jul 16 03:09:51 Morning Jul 16 03:14:37 some languages do everything they can to avoid side effects. Perl can not function without them. Jul 16 04:37:07 https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=soprano&project=home%3Adjszapi -> Is it just a webinterface, or is it also like that in the background ? The original names are soprano-2.6.0+dfsg*, but the plus character changed. Jul 16 04:47:39 I do know understand the issue if it is not related to the character "+": https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=soprano&project=home%3Adjszapi&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan . Jul 16 06:30:38 good moaning Jul 16 07:25:33 morning Jul 16 08:20:43 morning iekku dm8tbr Jul 16 08:22:21 * lcuk makes a BBQ in the chan and starts making bacon sandwiches Jul 16 08:23:46 * MSM|Cat steals a sandwich Jul 16 08:24:06 MSM|Cat, you can butter the muffins Jul 16 08:24:15 Yay Jul 16 08:24:20 What kind are we having ? Jul 16 08:24:31 supersize bacon muffins Jul 16 08:24:41 i have a whole griddle full of bacon Jul 16 08:25:00 =-O Jul 16 08:25:24 who has any other food to add to meego-breakfast? Jul 16 08:26:02 I did see some orange juice floating round Jul 16 08:32:41 coffee Jul 16 08:51:40 *yawn* Jul 16 08:51:52 good morning Myrtti Jul 16 08:52:06 moin everyone Jul 16 08:52:10 iekku ♥ Jul 16 08:52:45 ;) Jul 16 08:54:05 oh my, i'm nervous Jul 16 08:54:11 about? Jul 16 08:54:31 today is my polterabend Jul 16 08:54:34 ah Jul 16 08:54:49 don't know when friends come to pick me... Jul 16 08:55:23 maybe i just start testing meego and skip the party :D Jul 16 08:55:57 sounds like a plan :-> Jul 16 09:11:54 does anyone know if there's any decent libraries to generate touch events ? Afaik, xtest is not able to do those, only mouse stuff there .. but do correct me if im wrong .. Jul 16 09:25:16 jani, for single touch events mouse is the same? Jul 16 09:25:29 or were you thinking a multitouch testbench thingie Jul 16 09:27:30 lcuk: well, its not multitouch event per se ..For example, if i just use XFakeMouseEvent from xtest it wont get recognized into QTouchEvent in qt .. Jul 16 09:28:00 jani, is that a bug ? Jul 16 09:28:21 we have a test tools that can generate QTouchEvents directly into the qt event loop but in same cases thats not really a good thing .. Jul 16 09:28:44 well, propably not .. Jul 16 09:29:11 jani, what are you testing? Jul 16 09:29:24 perhaps the ots can send mouse events (not sure) Jul 16 09:29:59 meegotouch =) Jul 16 09:33:03 and about ots, i've lead myself to think thats its only used to execute tests, not actually implement those .. but dunno for real. Jul 16 09:33:16 what's be best API for game audio in harmattan? Jul 16 09:33:38 yeah, OTS only executes tests Jul 16 09:33:59 I tryed QtMobility stuff, but I get crash if I try to link into that on the device Jul 16 09:36:42 yeah .. the thing is, i really frigin hate tdriver. Jul 16 09:38:48 and its just not good enough for my purposes due to these limitations in how it generates events (+alot of more things that will eventually lead me to baldness) .. so i really need to find a way to generate the events on lower level than direct injection to qt's event loop. Jul 16 09:40:31 was pointed to uiinput and evtest by few people already but i cant find anything really usefull on google for uiinput .. Jul 16 09:43:06 maybe it would be just to inspect the event queue via evtest and finding a way how to inject those again somehow.. Jul 16 09:44:57 you can make a fake input with some input driver Jul 16 09:45:04 i think wiimote software does that Jul 16 09:51:04 good idea! too bad urho is on holidays so i cant just ask him on monday for more guidance.. Jul 16 09:52:00 jani, if you do go bald, perhaps you could add a tattoo :P Jul 16 09:52:21 lol. Jul 16 09:52:25 yeah, uinput is the way to go Jul 16 09:52:40 http://svn.navi.cx/misc/trunk/inputpipe/uinput/uinput.txt Jul 16 09:53:33 duh, i was googling for uiinput ;D no wonder i didnt find anything Jul 16 09:54:14 regarding thta thou, might be quite a hassle to get it working with aegis =| Jul 16 09:54:59 but gotta check that for sure. Jul 16 09:55:32 and lcuk, not really looking for letting go of my hair. stskeeps propably knows what i mean :D Jul 16 09:56:22 jani, I thought hairloss was necessary for working in computing! Jul 16 09:57:44 ive managed to avoid that so far.. with very good results. Jul 16 09:58:02 \o/ Jul 16 09:58:23 jani, so really we should make sure every package is tested by you Jul 16 09:58:39 and if any hairloss is noticed we should modify package until it doesn't! Jul 16 09:58:51 lol Jul 16 09:59:22 only time i get hairloss during work is when it gets stuck under the chair's wheels. Jul 16 09:59:46 your hair wasn't that long in November (dublin) Jul 16 10:00:12 now I recall in February (fosdem) Jul 16 10:00:15 nor * Jul 16 10:00:25 i wasnt in dublin =) only in maemo summit in a'dam .. Jul 16 10:01:00 i was supposed to go there but secretary didnt *want* to make reservations for me. Jul 16 10:01:04 hmm I was sure you were there Jul 16 10:02:38 topic change: which distros use .tar.gz and "make; make install" rather than a full package system? Jul 16 10:03:04 slackware ? =) Jul 16 10:03:33 sounds familiar, will dig a bit thanks Jul 16 10:03:52 linux from scratch? ;) Jul 16 10:04:09 timoph, cosmohill does that stuff Jul 16 10:04:13 and isnt ports packaging system just based on tarballs ? Jul 16 10:04:15 that isn't a bad thing either Jul 16 10:06:37 Jaffa, for mud2 where is the meta information being stored? Jul 16 10:08:14 * jonwil is about ready to start pulling his hair out over these damn functions Jul 16 10:08:22 lcuk: At the moment, it gets metadata from the .pro file Jul 16 10:08:36 lcuk: Next step is to get it from the debian_* and .spec files Jul 16 10:08:57 lcuk: Step after that might be to do something spectacle like which allows you to define things once no matter which packaging format you're using Jul 16 10:09:10 Jaffa, yes Jul 16 10:09:18 but eventually that will become a packaging format itself! Jul 16 10:09:47 i wonder how much faster qt5 compilation could become Jul 16 10:09:58 Indeed. So maybe the simple .spec file and icon.png could become enough to derive the debian_* Jul 16 10:10:04 and whether on device will ever be comfortably feasible Jul 16 10:10:05 (for most things) Jul 16 10:10:13 yeah Jul 16 10:10:30 but .spec file is more lax in its versioning and stuff Jul 16 10:10:48 it was something lbt made lots of noise about in the past Jul 16 10:23:38 Jaffa, where is all the meta info in attitude stored? Jul 16 10:23:49 since that is not a qt project is it (uses pyqt?) Jul 16 10:27:35 lcuk: New version of Attitude is QML-based and maintained in Qt Creator Jul 16 10:27:54 * Jaffa is using it as a test-bed for cross-platform "proper" Qt-strategic development targetting Maemo, Symbian, Harmattan and MeeGo Jul 16 10:28:02 Hence mud2 to fill in the gaps Jul 16 10:30:19 Jaffa, that is understandable since attitude does not really have user data (it is a visualisation tool) or real configuration even Jul 16 10:32:38 Jaffa, does attitude now use the compass? Jul 16 10:55:13 lcuk: Not yet Jul 16 10:55:27 lcuk: Qt provides a settings abstraction AIUI Jul 16 10:57:39 Jaffa, sure, I am just wondering how a more complex app would manage. would you consider using qml/js for the business logic stuff you do at work? Jul 16 11:00:21 lcuk: We're an end-to-end Java shop now, but we built our own declarative view engine based on Groovy (a JVM language) about 3 years ago for http://www.alfav5.com/ and it's remarkably similar to QML. Jul 16 11:03:26 Jaffa, so if a client came to you and said, we have requirement for mobile appware thing deployed on Nokia devices. Would you be comfortable suggesting QML for the front end? Jul 16 11:03:28 lcuk: As an example, http://pastebin.com/mkJNuDRB is a snippet from one of our UI test cases (checks the HTML we generate matches that produced by the designers) Jul 16 11:03:47 lcuk: Yes Jul 16 11:04:05 good stuff :) Jul 16 11:04:57 Jaffa, that test stuff would sit where ots and the meego-qa guys work sortof Jul 16 11:06:23 lcuk: Yeah, it's a JUnit test case and runs as part of continuous integration build system. Runs on every commit to the project containing it Jul 16 11:08:12 Jaffa, as a java shop, would you steer business customers towards an android app? Jul 16 11:08:38 since then the solid tested codebase could be leveraged and utilised within a mobile app Jul 16 11:10:00 lcuk: Not sure. Possibly. Jul 16 11:10:15 lcuk: It'd be more likely that most of the business logic would reside on a server and use web services to invoke Jul 16 11:10:36 lcuk: Having said that, some things on the client might be handy (e.g. contract evaluation); Android's Java base should make that easier. Jul 16 11:10:57 lcuk: If I wanted to be really out there, we could use Google Web Toolkit to convert the Java to JavaScript and run it in QML ;-) Jul 16 11:12:45 Jaffa, but you would then not gain the benefit of the junit (or does the convertor work reliably each time?) Jul 16 11:15:42 lcuk: There are JavaScript unit testing frameworks, but what we'd probably do is put some tests in to make sure the converter worked as we expected, and then unit test the Java. Jul 16 11:16:04 We did something similar to convert our business logic from an old 90s RPG-based 4GL into Java Jul 16 11:24:05 * lcuk remembers spending much time generating reports from huge databases Jul 16 11:25:20 Jaffa, amusing grid produced from historical dataset http://liqbase.net/grid/grid_readable.png Jul 16 11:36:11 Jaffa, interesting that you use groovy. i got hired on at a company i interned at a year and a half ago after convincing them to use grails for new web application programs when they were unsure about it and hadn't heard of it before i mentioned it. they now use it for all java web app projects Jul 16 11:37:34 groovy really makes coding for the JVM alright w/o impeding any java guys working on the project who know nothing about groovy Jul 16 11:52:17 KMFDM: We use Java for most of the code, but Groovy for the UI. It's good, but the tooling still has some way to go Jul 16 11:52:27 Got a lot better in the last 12 months tho' Jul 16 12:01:59 is this a regular java app or a web app for a servlets container? Jul 16 12:07:11 nvm i scrolled up Jul 16 16:39:10 Stskeeps, all the noise about aegis makes me look forward to n950-ce :) Jul 16 16:39:40 aegis? Jul 16 18:58:18 lbt how is the bs upgrade coming on? Jul 16 18:58:36 we're just getting going Jul 16 18:58:38 * npm when i write java, i write groovy too Jul 16 18:58:46 * lbt was at a party Jul 16 18:59:02 unless i can figure out a way to use clojure which would be my top preference, since it's like lisp Jul 16 18:59:06 awesome did you eat much jelly and go on the bouncy castle? Jul 16 18:59:26 groovy: An agile dynamic language for the Java Platform? Jul 16 18:59:30 no, had a 99 though :) Jul 16 18:59:37 wooohooo Jul 16 18:59:46 oh i guess that convo w/ Jaffa was from 4AM this morning... i guess i should look at the time before replying Jul 16 19:00:00 we missed the ice cream man today because still eating Jul 16 19:00:52 nom lol Jul 16 19:05:45 npm: No probs - I'm still awake. Jul 16 19:49:37 whats meego? Jul 16 19:50:56 meego.com/about Jul 16 19:51:38 timoph Jul 16 19:51:41 whos the owner Jul 16 19:51:44 of meego Jul 16 19:52:39 https://meego.com/about/governance Jul 16 19:53:58 I think it pretty much amounts to 'Intel' currently Jul 16 19:54:43 if Intel does most of the work, that's how it is... however that's not "ownership" but drive :) Jul 16 19:54:54 yep Jul 16 19:55:01 well, 'control' Jul 16 19:55:24 they're certainly not the owner of most of the code certainly Jul 16 19:55:34 remove one certainly Jul 16 19:55:58 Formality. Jul 16 19:56:16 Infact, those who do development, own the product Jul 16 19:56:45 hmmh. the about govenance page still has valtteri's email to @nokia.com Jul 16 19:56:58 "a bit" dated info Jul 16 19:57:17 I just mean that intel seems to drive most of the decisions currently Jul 16 19:57:44 well it is the biggest contributor currentlty so it's kinda justified Jul 16 19:58:13 only problem that I have is the lack communication and transparency Jul 16 19:58:43 that's probably because of confidentiality Jul 16 19:59:08 and that was already a problem before 2/11 Jul 16 19:59:27 there shouldn't be any confidental things in meego.com Jul 16 19:59:32 maligor: Confidentiality of what, and with whom? Jul 16 19:59:41 if there is they're in the wrong place Jul 16 19:59:43 intel and intel's customers Jul 16 19:59:58 I don't really care about intel's customers Jul 16 20:00:15 I care about the meego.com project that's supposed to be open, etc Jul 16 20:00:25 Intel's senior management have been on-record saying it's the openness of MeeGo to anyone who wants to use it or contribute to it which means it can compete with other OEM-friendly, Linux-based OSes (such as Android) Jul 16 20:00:54 yeah, but I mean it's a issue with communication and transparency Jul 16 20:01:12 If Intel's commercial interests don't permit openness around MeeGo Project governance, architectural decisions and communication; fine. But then MeeGo has no USP. Jul 16 20:01:26 * Jaffa doesn't think it's Intel's commercial interests which are resulting in the current problems though Jul 16 20:01:35 yep Jul 16 20:01:55 I'm having pretty much similar thoughts Jul 16 20:02:29 It's hard for two big s/w development operations to cooperate at the best of times. But #feb11 made it easier for the development teams to retreat back into corrider conversations and internal decisions. Jul 16 20:02:33 I think the problem is just refers to unreleased hardware Jul 16 20:02:46 like if you report a bug that only happens on device "Unreleased" Jul 16 20:03:28 it just becomes a problem with contracts Jul 16 20:03:37 that's not really an issue if the unreleasede stuff is done where it belongs, behind closed doors Jul 16 20:04:01 meego.com should use public, open hw to provide a reference Jul 16 20:04:15 that's all Jul 16 20:04:18 so you prefer that you get a code drop at the end of the project? Jul 16 20:04:23 no Jul 16 20:04:32 as opposed to development changes happening on a open repo? Jul 16 20:04:42 meego.com and vendor versions of meego are two different things Jul 16 20:05:43 like I said I really don't care what vendors do with meego untill they publish their work Jul 16 20:05:44 oh.. you mean you'd want everything on build.meego.com work similarly to the build.pub.meego.com Jul 16 20:06:19 I see your point, there are some pieces of code you just can't get without access there Jul 16 20:06:28 well it should since it's pretty much the same setup except there's thighter control who gets access Jul 16 20:06:54 and it also has anonymous read access to it Jul 16 20:07:08 so in that sense it's open Jul 16 20:07:18 how does one go about getting an account on build.pub.meego.com? Jul 16 20:07:32 wcunning: ask lbt or X-Fade Jul 16 20:07:39 wcunning: Ask X-Fade or lbt. As it says on http://build.pub.meego.com/ :-p Jul 16 20:07:39 wcunning, make an account on meego.com and ask here to get access on it Jul 16 20:07:40 ok Jul 16 20:08:09 timoph, I'm pretty sure not everything has anonymous read access Jul 16 20:08:19 yep Jul 16 20:08:32 timoph, and I've found it an issue, yes Jul 16 20:08:48 well yeah but you got my point :) Jul 16 20:08:54 I'm looking into porting openSUSE back to ARM, and Jan-Simon Möller recommended that I get access to Meego build service of some variety, since it's the same technology, but has figured out properly building for ARM Jul 16 20:09:19 (sorry to go off on a tangent in the middle of a discussion) Jul 16 20:09:30 suse obs doesn't have arm targets? Jul 16 20:09:37 not currently Jul 16 20:09:40 oh Jul 16 20:09:50 or they're old enough that they don't support the hardfp abi Jul 16 20:09:57 wcunning: hmmm Jul 16 20:10:15 or rather, aren't currently configured to Jul 16 20:10:43 they abandoned openSUSE 11.3 when the change window opened Jul 16 20:10:59 so I think we'd be interested to help you to get arm support working on the suse OBS Jul 16 20:11:20 but realistically we haven't got the resources to do a build of openSuse on the meego community OBD Jul 16 20:11:22 Jan-Simmon ported 11.2 to ARM as a Google Summer of Code project, but they didn't keep it maintained Jul 16 20:11:23 OBS Jul 16 20:11:32 understood Jul 16 20:11:43 the recommendation given to me was as follows: Jul 16 20:12:01 openSUSE's OBS has the ability to be configured to do building for ARM Jul 16 20:12:25 but that that configurations and the extra steps necessary to build for ARM were currently only available from Meego Jul 16 20:12:40 so I'm to play around with both build services Jul 16 20:12:47 and then I Jul 16 20:13:02 'll need to get the right configurations moved over to openSUSE Jul 16 20:13:13 and start in on a bootstrap for ARM Jul 16 20:13:14 *nod* Jul 16 20:13:27 from there, I'll be able to really start building the distro for ARM Jul 16 20:14:07 now, I don't know OBS at all, so some general recommendations on that would be great Jul 16 20:14:24 as well as how the openSUSE one differs from Meego, if at all, if anyone knows Jul 16 20:15:13 OK, so if you promise to be very careful with the builds (keeping load down) then I guess that should be OK. Jul 16 20:15:43 Jan-Simon mentioned that I should be able to use the build service but do the actual computing on my machine Jul 16 20:16:03 yeah - that'd help Jul 16 20:16:07 (and I definitely have the computational resources to build as fast as I have time to get things up and working) Jul 16 20:17:04 is there a guide to how to get that working in addition to general build service info? Jul 16 20:17:45 there's stuff on the wiki - needs work. Jul 16 20:17:58 The ARM docs need improving AFAIUI too Jul 16 20:18:13 anyhow... let me know your meego account and I'll enable it Jul 16 20:18:29 just making one now Jul 16 20:18:54 we're about to do some sysadmin on the OBS so it may be up/down tonight/tomorrow Jul 16 20:19:57 mmk Jul 16 20:20:05 I'm mostly just looking for docs to read Jul 16 20:20:13 that are good and understandable Jul 16 20:20:55 my meego account is the same as my nick, "wcunning" Jul 16 20:21:35 mmm ... the account sync is down too Jul 16 20:22:12 is there a UX agnostic way to add toolbar widget thingies (near the clock on XP and ubuntu and maemo) Jul 16 20:22:24 i want a status bar icon for something Jul 16 20:22:57 * lcuk can do it from vb for the windows app, but maemo is complex and IDK if it is a global to meego Jul 16 20:24:36 wcunning, http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS Jul 16 20:24:47 is simplest basic meego orented single app sorta guide Jul 16 20:24:50 lbt, i'm guessing pub OBS is currently not doing so well? Jul 16 20:24:52 oriented Jul 16 20:25:08 arfoll, tuning to demands I heard Jul 16 20:25:58 arfoll: well, we're migrating VMs from one physical host and playing with the SSO system Jul 16 20:26:06 so we may have glitches Jul 16 20:26:26 lbt, ok i'm getting HTTP 500 errors at basically everything Jul 16 20:27:20 arfoll: mmm OK Jul 16 20:27:32 doing what? Jul 16 20:27:47 lbt, an osc commit of a spec file Jul 16 20:28:36 i was getting it when trying to do a checkout of a project too Jul 16 20:29:15 OK - consider it down for tonight then. Sorry Jul 16 20:30:40 lbt, no worries - enjoy the evenin Jul 16 20:31:13 where are most of the meego people located (what time zone)? Jul 16 20:31:32 EU/US Jul 16 20:31:48 UTC+2 and UTC-8 IIRC Jul 16 20:31:53 iirc many QA are in Asia Jul 16 20:32:16 so basicaly everywhere... Jul 16 20:32:30 well, every project has someone everywhere Jul 16 20:32:41 we lack people on ISS so far Jul 16 20:32:45 but are working on it Jul 16 20:32:57 but, for example, openSUSE is mostly developed in Germany Jul 16 20:33:11 and Canonical headquarters are in London Jul 16 20:33:23 wcunning, well meego isn't mostly anywhere.... Jul 16 20:33:33 ok Jul 16 20:33:34 mostly irc :) Jul 16 20:33:35 * lcuk wouldn't mind headquarters in aviva Jul 16 20:34:03 I'm just gauging when the mods will be around to help on IRC Jul 16 20:34:16 if there's a deadzone or something, when everyone has gone to bed or work Jul 16 20:34:37 there are dead zones Jul 16 20:34:46 more common on weekends Jul 16 20:34:49 but it is not timezone related :P Jul 16 20:34:58 wcunning, where are you? Jul 16 20:35:45 currently in Central Standard Time (I never learned the UTC +/- because it changes with Daylight Savings Time) but I'll be headed back to Eastern Standard Time in a month or so Jul 16 20:36:09 does your country have a name? Jul 16 20:36:15 United States Jul 16 20:36:17 sorry Jul 16 20:36:21 wcunning: $date --utc Jul 16 20:36:50 in IRC or in terminal? Jul 16 20:36:57 wcunning, well the US contingent can be woken up with cookies and stuff most of the time, and you are getting evening time Europeans now Jul 16 20:37:02 terminal Jul 16 20:37:08 /exec -o date Jul 16 20:38:43 ah Jul 16 20:38:49 UTC -4 Jul 16 20:38:51 currently Jul 16 20:39:07 wcunning, apart from building a whole distro Jul 16 20:39:09 It's summertime in europe too Jul 16 20:39:11 soon to still be -4, when I cross back into -5, but savings time changes Jul 16 20:39:16 So, it's -5 Jul 16 20:39:19 what would be your ideal mobile use case Jul 16 20:39:28 and infact, what mobile devices do you currently use? Jul 16 20:39:35 9:30 in the UK Jul 16 20:40:32 SpeedEvil: yep Jul 16 20:40:43 lcuk: who are you talking to? Jul 16 20:41:09 you Jul 16 20:41:15 multiline question :P Jul 16 20:41:22 I have an Android phone (Droid X) Jul 16 20:41:37 IIRC the Droid is american only Jul 16 20:42:01 i was surprised to see slow running android phones recently o_O Jul 16 20:42:02 uh, Droid X, I think so, the Droid is the Motorola Milestone, everywhere else Jul 16 20:42:10 surprised me because I have only seen reasonably quick ones Jul 16 20:42:18 Android is non-ideal in a number of ways Jul 16 20:42:21 but i think the droid X doesnt actually exist, isn't it a CDMA device? Jul 16 20:42:28 yes Jul 16 20:42:33 by exist i mean exist in EU Jul 16 20:42:39 yeah Jul 16 20:42:48 I was agreeing with that up above Jul 16 20:43:11 it's kind of sad how GSM is pretty terrible in the US and the only option everywhere else Jul 16 20:43:23 also, the EU has much better cell provider plans Jul 16 20:43:35 your companies don't get to actively screw with you Jul 16 20:43:36 wcunning, depends where in the EU Jul 16 20:43:41 the cost of roaming is coming down too :) Jul 16 20:44:03 roaming got phased out a while ago in the US Jul 16 20:44:04 not that I roam, also it's increased prices for pay as you go Jul 16 20:44:16 wcunning: well it is the UNITED states Jul 16 20:44:23 I suppose Jul 16 20:44:33 I mean most of europe drive on the wrong side of the road Jul 16 20:45:22 no just on a few islands Jul 16 20:45:41 damn Jul 16 20:50:45 so has there been much in the way of Meego ported to Android handsets Jul 16 20:51:13 wcunning, quite a few but due to lack of 3d drivers... all running on fb Jul 16 20:51:20 I don't think I've ever seen anything that ran Meego officially, other than a couple of dev boards (pandaboard, beagleboard) Jul 16 20:52:04 MohammadAG, are you about? :) Jul 16 20:53:16 wcunning, there are quite alot of non arm hardware running it ;) Jul 16 20:54:21 and n900/n950/n9 Jul 16 20:55:07 arfoll: for a moment I thought you meant facebook... Jul 16 20:57:43 when porting across from maemo, or creating a new app on the n950 i seem to have a grey bar at the bottom of the app (No tool/status/menu bars enabled) .... anyone else got this or am i missing something obvious? Jul 16 20:58:36 CosmoHill, social obsessed world we live in... Jul 16 20:59:09 I use facebook like a hit and run driver uses predestines Jul 16 21:01:02 lcuk, ping* Jul 16 21:04:22 Jaffa, ! :) Jul 16 21:05:22 googling the "grey horizontal bar at the bottom" issue on the n950, and it looks like you went through the same issue with attitude :) - was there a reason behind the grey bar, that you know off? Jul 16 21:07:06 hi Noobmonk3y Jul 16 21:07:12 hey hey! :) Jul 16 21:07:38 i'm back to coding, which as you are well aware, now means i ask a million questions again! (Dont worry, google taking the brunt of it!) Jul 16 21:08:05 stuck with the dreaded harmattan grey bar.... but think jaffa may have found a fix :| Jul 16 21:08:19 Noobmonk3y: is this a QML app? Jul 16 21:08:34 nope, qt still Jul 16 21:08:40 direct port of maecount Jul 16 21:08:48 ok, probably the same thing Jul 16 21:08:55 try showFullscreen instead of show on your widget Jul 16 21:09:00 cool, will do :) Jul 16 21:09:11 hey w00t Jul 16 21:09:13 settling in ? Jul 16 21:09:18 or not moved yet Jul 16 21:09:33 lcuk: ish.. trying to sort out a decent working environment before i have to use it too much :P Jul 16 21:09:42 reorganised most of the room now Jul 16 21:09:50 yeah, moved on friday Jul 16 21:09:53 ty w00t :) working beautifully Jul 16 21:20:28 w0000p ty w00t, first app now fully working on n950... that was scarily easy :| - will worry about packaging later lol Jul 16 21:20:40 :) Jul 16 21:21:01 well, it is only about 40 lines of code lol (MaeCount/MeeCount) Jul 16 21:30:25 w00t, good stuff, hope you enjoy this new place Jul 16 21:36:06 hmmm n950 is odd, can screenshot on normal windows, but not within my own app........ Jul 16 21:40:25 hmmm nope screenshot fail bahhhhhhhhhh Jul 16 21:41:59 Noobmonk3y: use an arrangement of mirrors and the camera :) Jul 16 21:42:10 s there a GPS on the exopc? Jul 16 21:42:33 lol berndhs !!! Jul 16 21:42:50 ctrl shift p did work, i wonder if i have either found a bug, or it's just failed Jul 16 21:42:58 the Boosted widget example also does not work Jul 16 22:00:35 ok... orientation/menu etc changed and working well (give or take the odd redraw fault) - but screenshot still = fail Jul 16 22:04:58 nope definite bug Jul 16 22:05:07 screenshots work on about 80% of windows Jul 16 22:05:14 i think a full screen one may be a problem Jul 16 22:05:33 anyone else with an n950 to hand to test? :) Jul 16 22:47:02 * CosmoHill watches Eddie Izzard: Stripped (BBC4) Jul 16 22:51:16 Oooh Jul 16 22:51:21 * SpeedEvil adds to get_iplayer Jul 16 22:52:54 * CosmoHill is amused by the fact he's found sub-titles Jul 16 23:17:12 night night Jul 17 00:21:11 morning **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 17 02:59:57 2011