**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 17 02:59:57 2011 Jul 17 04:38:10 sp3000: :( Jul 17 04:39:48 o Jul 17 04:40:03 i'm getting cron mail from mxr complaining that it has taken >48 hours to run its update script Jul 17 04:40:13 (i get a new email each day that a current cron isn't done) Jul 17 08:30:51 lcuk here? Jul 17 08:35:32 lo Texrat Jul 17 08:38:55 hey stskeeps Jul 17 08:40:18 how is it going? Jul 17 08:47:26 eh stskeeps, just doing my usual Sunday conference with HP India Jul 17 08:47:36 trying to stay awake, working on some music Jul 17 11:00:23 morning Noobmonk3y and Venemo \o Jul 17 11:00:29 hey lcuk Jul 17 11:00:32 what's up? Jul 17 11:01:38 am actually wondering how to make a status bar plugin that will work on maemo/meego(netbook+handset)/harmattan and hopefully ubuntu and windows too Jul 17 11:01:57 windows is actually easiest I already have that somewhere Jul 17 11:05:54 morning lcuk :) morning venemo :) Jul 17 11:06:03 oo nice idea Jul 17 11:06:24 * Noobmonk3y throws MohammadAG at frals Jul 17 11:06:36 hey Noobmonk3y, you got an N950? Jul 17 11:06:39 yup :) Jul 17 11:06:49 hi Jul 17 11:06:54 maecount and healthcheck both working :) Jul 17 11:06:58 well meecount lol Jul 17 11:07:15 still in plain qt though, pondering a qml move Jul 17 11:07:24 Noobmonk3y, wanna try my little game? Jul 17 11:07:29 yes please!! :) Jul 17 11:07:34 image puzzle? :) Jul 17 11:07:52 Noobmonk3y, memory game Jul 17 11:07:54 yay cool Jul 17 11:08:45 Noobmonk3y, http://sources.venemo.net/memory-game.zip Jul 17 11:11:26 dloaded, loaded and starting to run :) Jul 17 11:11:55 chmod: /usr/bin/memory-game: No such file or directory Jul 17 11:11:56 sh: Jul 17 11:11:56 /usr/bin/memory-game: not found Jul 17 11:12:06 hmmmmmm Jul 17 11:17:08 Venemo, didnt seem to install correctly Jul 17 11:17:37 Noobmonk3y, you open the .pro in Qt Creator and run it Jul 17 11:17:45 yeah trying, not running Jul 17 11:17:59 delete the .pro.user file and the packaging data Jul 17 11:18:05 let Qt Creator regenerate it Jul 17 11:18:17 ahhh ok :) Jul 17 11:24:08 Noobmonk3y, Venemo :) Jul 17 11:24:18 hey Texrat :) :) Jul 17 11:24:23 how are you?! Jul 17 11:24:27 tired Jul 17 11:24:37 on Conference call, just ending Jul 17 11:24:40 early morning over there? Jul 17 11:24:41 ouch! Jul 17 11:24:41 hey Texrat :) Jul 17 11:24:43 yeah Jul 17 11:25:01 been up for about 20 hours straight Jul 17 11:25:06 wow! Jul 17 11:25:17 typical weekend Jul 17 11:25:20 so you come on irc, to listen to us and fall asleep ;) haha Jul 17 11:25:30 just killing a little time Jul 17 11:25:36 hehe Jul 17 11:25:44 plus lcuk wanted to chat, but can't find him Jul 17 11:25:52 Why not kill it by sleeping? Jul 17 11:25:56 lcuk, was here not so long ago Jul 17 11:26:00 that would be nice Jul 17 11:26:19 have to drink coffee to make it through conference call, then can't sleep Jul 17 11:26:28 hate my job Jul 17 11:26:32 :( Jul 17 11:26:48 brb i need egg bacon and sausages.... tough life for some Jul 17 11:26:58 sounds good Jul 17 11:27:05 Mhm, where is the other end ofthe conference call??? Jul 17 11:27:05 hehe :) :) Jul 17 11:27:14 India, HP team Jul 17 11:27:20 I mean, it is SUNDAY, even in India and Europe Jul 17 11:27:27 yes Jul 17 11:27:30 Nasty. Jul 17 11:27:37 my part starts at 2am my time Jul 17 11:27:57 but I just don't go to sleep the night before, doesn't work well Jul 17 11:28:25 will fall asleep in an hour or two, then gotta get back up Jul 17 11:28:37 after 3 hours sleep Jul 17 11:28:46 And it is not possible to reschedule the damn meeting to something acceptable by all sides? Jul 17 11:29:11 it's a meetng to manage server and software updates off hours for us Jul 17 11:29:13 RST38h: not if they want to get in the guinness book of world records Jul 17 11:29:21 I mean, even we are somehow managing meetings with the US west coast Jul 17 11:29:27 but I'm too old for this shit Jul 17 11:29:46 and that is an 11 hour difference,does not get much worse Jul 17 11:29:47 we have to do it when we do Jul 17 11:30:48 anyway sometimes I'll pop in here during downtime Jul 17 11:30:51 * RST38h just finished writing the Android Froyo wrapper for his stuff Jul 17 11:31:05 hey Texrat Jul 17 11:31:10 hey lbt Jul 17 11:31:23 The Tentacled One surely feasted on those googlers' brains... Jul 17 11:31:25 sounds like a rough schedule Jul 17 11:31:30 it's not fun Jul 17 11:31:37 ruins my week Jul 17 11:32:03 yeah - and it's hard to shift your sleep around it Jul 17 11:32:08 if I don't get another job soon I'm gonna go into a coma Jul 17 11:36:11 are you searching? Jul 17 11:47:47 hi, can anyone help with harmattan scratchbox problems? Jul 17 11:50:01 yeah RST38h, been searching for past 2.5 years Jul 17 11:50:31 I thought you have found your job a few months ago though Jul 17 11:50:46 Anyway, still Texas,still IT? Jul 17 11:51:39 I've had interviews, just don't pan out. Still same shitty job for 2 years Jul 17 11:51:56 looking to get out of IT and back into IM, or maybe community management Jul 17 11:53:18 community management sounds like an oxymoron Jul 17 11:53:24 yeah Jul 17 11:53:25 IM is different though Jul 17 11:53:40 tech evangelism then Jul 17 11:53:52 applied for that with Mozilla Jul 17 11:54:05 Usually getting developer/IT stuff in the mail though, will direct 'em the IT guys your way Jul 17 11:55:46 hey berndhs Jul 17 12:40:52 Noobmonk3y, so, I can now check the health of my N950? Jul 17 12:42:20 nokia wants 999€ fpr the 64gb n9? Jul 17 12:42:34 LoooL Jul 17 12:43:30 is any of the prices actually official now? Jul 17 12:43:53 just looking at the webshops Jul 17 12:44:04 and they want 999 for the 64gb without contract Jul 17 12:44:12 and I think that's nuts Jul 17 12:44:21 hehh Jul 17 12:44:33 999 is a _LOT_ Jul 17 12:44:36 euro Jul 17 12:44:40 not us dollar Jul 17 12:44:51 that#s even more :P Jul 17 12:44:53 yes Jul 17 12:44:59 I don't care of US dollars Jul 17 12:45:17 360€ for the 16gb with tmobile contract Jul 17 12:45:22 wtf Jul 17 12:45:29 that is still a bit high Jul 17 12:46:15 yeah, I get a android for that without contract :P Jul 17 12:46:20 °an Jul 17 12:46:45 I bet the WP7 device will be cheaper Jul 17 12:46:52 maybe the high pricing is their way to make people don't buy MeeGo... Jul 17 12:47:48 yeah, I thought that too Jul 17 12:49:35 or recouperating the costs of those gift N950 to devs Jul 17 12:49:39 ;P Jul 17 12:49:46 lol Jul 17 12:49:49 pebcak: nokia stores or what? Jul 17 12:49:49 ... Jul 17 12:49:56 Stskeeps normal webshops Jul 17 12:50:37 pebcak: ok Jul 17 12:50:45 so I can already buy an N9? Jul 17 12:50:48 now I think about applying for a n950 too Jul 17 12:50:59 pebcak: that program is pretty done by now Jul 17 12:51:05 :| Jul 17 12:51:16 well, no nokia phone for me than Jul 17 12:51:17 :D Jul 17 12:51:24 °then Jul 17 12:51:40 still, i don't think we've seen official cost of n9 yet Jul 17 12:52:13 there are some shops listing it and they have identical numbers Jul 17 12:53:13 if its a preorder, they might try and cash in extra on those whom are desperate Jul 17 12:55:03 ... Jul 17 12:55:14 preorder with contract? :D Jul 17 12:55:59 and they want 999 for the 64gb without contract <--- I　meant that, not the one with contracts Jul 17 12:57:59 psycho_oreos the numbers with contracts support those Jul 17 12:58:01 ;) Jul 17 12:58:41 pebcak, it doesn't mean that they correlate :) Jul 17 12:59:36 the funny thing is, I think nokia is stupid enough to try that :P Jul 17 13:00:47 nokia is already stupid enough to try anything, including the fact that they limit N950 to those they like, and crippling both N9 and N950 in their own ways Jul 17 13:01:38 has it been nokia been smart? no, I think its just their usual tactics to stir/mock up the maemo/meego community before they actually release WP7 device Jul 17 13:02:14 I still would like to have the device :D Jul 17 13:02:28 the n950 would be even nicer :| Jul 17 13:02:35 at a price you can't afford? the N9? heh Jul 17 13:02:45 I can afford it Jul 17 13:02:58 I just don't think I want to spend that much on a phoner Jul 17 13:03:01 -r Jul 17 13:03:07 :D Jul 17 13:03:30 you can literally forget about N950 unless: 1) you mug someone whom happen to just own one and you know where he/she keeps it. 2) you find one for sale and the seller isn't lying (not like that recent ebay scam) Jul 17 13:06:24 * pebcak plans to ambush some nokia employees ;) Jul 17 13:06:41 * psycho_oreos is thinking something along the same lines Jul 17 13:07:23 don't worry there's a few of us who wants N950 even though we missed out that opportunity >:) Jul 17 13:08:07 * psycho_oreos is sure those whom have N950 in their own hands right now seeing this conversation would probably be reconsidering where to stash their own close to them :p Jul 17 13:08:24 hehe Jul 17 13:12:21 * lbt puts his N950 in a very safe place... Jul 17 13:13:46 yeah I can imagine where that'll be, in yer underwear! ;) Jul 17 13:49:02 hello, I m looking for the qml API from import com.meego 1.0. Where is the source code ?? Jul 17 13:51:04 dridk: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux Jul 17 13:51:14 afaik it's there Jul 17 13:52:05 timoph, for example, I m looking for the listView from the nokia N950 Jul 17 13:52:36 dridk: well the Harmattan UI is Nokia stuff hence closed Jul 17 13:52:56 actually... Jul 17 13:53:07 wait a sec Jul 17 13:53:08 timoph, so no documentation and no source code :) Jul 17 13:53:45 http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components Jul 17 13:54:58 timoph, probably Jul 17 13:55:00 that : http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/trees/master/src/meego Jul 17 13:55:04 thx Jul 17 13:55:07 np Jul 17 14:17:16 lbt, X-Fade ping Jul 17 14:38:08 Morning, all Jul 17 14:43:07 morning jaffa Jul 17 14:46:39 finally someone gets the time of day right :) Jul 17 15:07:22 berndhs: Been in bed all day with a migraine Jul 17 15:08:09 Jaffa: that's no good Jul 17 15:21:41 Jaffa, migraines are a pita Jul 17 15:21:48 even worse when they happen at weekends! Jul 17 15:26:49 is obs down? I tried to commit a tarball to my homedir and got a 500 internal server error. Jul 17 15:28:17 TSCHAKeee, maintainance this weekend Jul 17 15:28:23 ah ok Jul 17 15:28:30 figures :P Jul 17 15:41:42 Jaffa, food allergy? Jul 17 15:42:53 mond phase, food allergy, his time of the month, weather change Jul 17 15:42:54 :P Jul 17 15:43:13 aegis has been known to cause migraines. Jul 17 15:43:22 GAN900: Sometimes, but not today. Jul 17 15:43:43 GAN900: Possibly stress related, since yesterday I was doing lots of bits & bobs for work. Jul 17 16:01:22 Jaffa, boo Jul 17 17:20:48 oops Jul 17 17:48:40 does anybody know where the icon generator javispedro posted a few days ago is? Jul 17 18:06:23 lcuk: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/ Jul 17 18:09:41 Jaffa, is there a list of the uploaded icons Jul 17 18:09:58 i have an app launch grid and want to see how it works Jul 17 18:10:10 without obviously using licensed icons from harmattan Jul 17 18:14:22 * lcuk makes a set of icons based on liqbase sketches Jul 17 18:40:38 lcuk: No, AFAIK javispedro doesn't keep them for too long. There's a few on the forum thread: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3714 Jul 17 19:28:15 I'm working with meego-ux on a device without a touchscreen, any ideas how I can enable an onscreen pointer. The -show-cursor does not seem to work for meego-ux-deamon and friends Jul 17 20:53:08 vgrade, dunno Jul 17 21:09:31 lcuk, \o, I'm looking at setOverrideCursor Jul 17 21:10:23 QApplication Jul 17 21:10:38 good stuff Jul 17 21:10:44 * lcuk just looking at calendar Jul 17 21:28:07 vgrade: look at /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch, see if it has xopts=-nocursor Jul 17 21:38:56 grr, getting behind on kernel imports sucks Jul 17 21:54:20 berndhs, no xopts= Jul 17 22:30:17 * timeless grumbles Jul 17 22:30:19 lbt: ping Jul 17 22:30:28 the proxy for mxr is dead Jul 17 22:30:33 pong Jul 17 22:30:46 yeah... we're doing maintenance Jul 17 22:30:50 what proxy? Jul 17 22:30:51 ssh? Jul 17 22:30:58 outbound http Jul 17 22:31:14 dns failed Jul 17 22:31:20 poor him :-( Jul 17 22:31:21 on the proxy Jul 17 22:31:25 are you ssh'ed in ? Jul 17 22:31:27 lainwir3d: poor me Jul 17 22:31:28 lbt: yeah Jul 17 22:31:36 ok .. sec Jul 17 22:31:37 i'm trying to get the update script to be more useful Jul 17 22:31:42 :) Jul 17 22:31:52 which means coaxing it past the fact that it's really very very far behind Jul 17 22:32:10 * lbt would like a simple operator's guide with useful debug/diagnostic/logs etc Jul 17 22:32:34 'look here, then here, this should be running, do this, check that happened' Jul 17 22:33:07 yeah, i think i need to write a cron which proves to itself that its world is happy Jul 17 22:33:14 and when it fails, it complains in detail about what went wrong Jul 17 22:34:52 what's really bad is that there's a long running import which should take about 12-16hours for the n900 kernel Jul 17 22:35:04 and it's stuck spinning while presumably the world is dead Jul 17 22:35:12 actually, no Jul 17 22:35:23 that's fine, because it already did its http traffic, it's just doing local processing :) Jul 17 22:35:27 OK Jul 17 22:35:40 there may be an internal proxy issue... looking into it Jul 17 22:35:42 but that still leaves me w/ the other stuff that wants to continue.. Jul 17 22:36:04 also, from memory the proxy env for my ssh user and my cron user wasn't guaranteed to be the same Jul 17 22:36:15 it'd be good if someone could ensure some level of consistency there.. Jul 17 22:37:12 * timeless doesn't remember how any of that magic works Jul 17 22:37:23 there's a /etc/environment which i think i'm hoping is responsible for sanity Jul 17 22:38:01 (should probably document that in case anyone is annoying enough to try to change the proxy host name (or related network topology) in the future) Jul 17 22:56:19 repo.pub.meego.com still in maintenance ? Jul 17 22:56:47 *.meego seems to be doing interesting stuff.. Jul 17 23:10:17 lbt: are there any other exit points? :) Jul 17 23:10:41 it's a dns issue ... we're working on it Jul 17 23:28:11 timeless: fixed Jul 17 23:28:26 yay! Jul 17 23:28:41 ok, Jul 17 23:51:59 cyas Jul 18 00:14:16 timeless: pin Jul 18 00:14:18 g Jul 18 00:14:33 pong Jul 18 00:14:50 did you just start mxr doing massive NW traffic ? Jul 18 00:15:00 more or less Jul 18 00:15:06 if you mean just now Jul 18 00:15:21 grumble ... ssh seems to be almost dead Jul 18 00:15:28 I suspect that's why Jul 18 00:15:38 top is working :) Jul 18 00:15:53 yeah, can you suspend it for a while Jul 18 00:15:54 it's supposed to do massive traffic in bursts between that and local data crunching Jul 18 00:16:00 yeah Jul 18 00:16:13 suspended Jul 18 00:16:23 note that there are still two processes doing local cpu load Jul 18 00:16:28 obs is still down and we're still working on it ... long session ... early hours of the am ... laggy ssh isn't fun :) Jul 18 00:16:33 ideally Jul 18 00:16:39 ok Jul 18 00:17:02 is it better? Jul 18 00:17:12 3141 timeless 20 0 930m 880m 44m R 99 5.4 167:09.92 hg Jul 18 00:17:17 that's the primary process atm... Jul 18 00:17:24 (should be purely local work) Jul 18 00:17:39 that has around 23hours of work (current estimate) Jul 18 00:17:42 ..pending Jul 18 00:18:00 which is why i want other tasks to run, i really don't want them to wait for it to finish :) Jul 18 00:18:13 much Jul 18 00:18:31 ok Jul 18 00:19:16 oh, ouch Jul 18 00:19:26 total used free shared buffers cached Jul 18 00:19:33 Mem: 16734036 16647136 86900 0 996132 12482224 Jul 18 00:19:41 e-not-enough-ram-trying-to-swap-to-death Jul 18 00:20:00 -/+ buffers/cache: 3168780 13565256 Jul 18 00:20:04 e-badly-designed-code-needs-16Gb-RAM Jul 18 00:20:06 Swap: 4194296 0 4194296 Jul 18 00:20:37 top says it's using <1gb of ram Jul 18 00:20:50 * timeless wonders where the rest of the memory is (cache/buffers?) Jul 18 00:21:57 is it still paused? Jul 18 00:22:07 I really need ssh working properly Jul 18 00:22:57 better Jul 18 00:23:39 which? Jul 18 00:24:05 I'm having real problems with ssh being laggy Jul 18 00:24:13 the only thing i see on mxr that's doing work is the local hg which is just crunching Jul 18 00:24:27 but yeah, it feels laggy here too Jul 18 00:24:28 OK - maybe something else Jul 18 00:24:48 yeah, i don't think it's my fault, the bursts i was doing for git should generally be tiny Jul 18 00:25:06 OK ... np then Jul 18 00:25:14 can i resume my minor git's? :) Jul 18 00:25:21 I'll install some bmon/iptop at some point Jul 18 00:25:30 tiny ones ... Jul 18 00:25:51 44 objects Jul 18 00:26:09 most of the repos are tiny and the requests/responses are tiny Jul 18 00:26:33 it probably spends 50-1000x more time doing local work than network i/o Jul 18 01:31:27 lbt: so, i'm down to 3 annoying repositories :) Jul 18 01:31:46 ok .. well OBS is up Jul 18 01:31:50 so .... Jul 18 01:32:00 sleepy time? Jul 18 01:32:08 i'll be on paris time on tuesday Jul 18 01:32:13 oh yeah ...... 2:26am here Jul 18 01:32:23 that's closer :) Jul 18 01:32:40 yeah, my body will think it's then when i arrive @8:30am Jul 18 01:32:56 I'm annoyed 'cos I locked myself out of a physical host :( Jul 18 01:33:10 but anyhow... mxr Jul 18 01:33:10 ouch, how? Jul 18 01:33:18 iptables Jul 18 01:33:54 so... i should be able to let those two or three finish Jul 18 01:33:57 probably by thursday Jul 18 01:34:14 yes ... leaving them churning is fine Jul 18 01:34:57 FYI you have 4 cpus Jul 18 01:35:15 so running 2-3 in parallel is OK Jul 18 01:38:01 bed then o/ Jul 18 01:46:08 it doesn't seem to work.. wonder why Jul 18 01:49:59 timeless: i'm seeing missing packages doing an image build, something looks fishy here too Jul 18 01:51:52 agg, looks like my other repo was suffering from dns Jul 18 01:52:11 * timeless kicks it Jul 18 01:54:17 much better Jul 18 02:00:57 morning Jul 18 02:10:09 berndhs: in theory your services were fixed, if not, i'd file a bug and wait 8hrs Jul 18 02:10:17 the workers needed sleep Jul 18 02:11:00 i'll look at it in the morning Jul 18 02:17:34 i think download.meego.com/ changed their directory structure in the last few days, so week old soemthing.ks files don't necessarily work any more **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 18 02:59:57 2011