**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 19 02:59:56 2011 Jul 19 05:51:25 Anyone know why I would be getting "Running non-meego graphics system enabled MeeGo touch, forcing native graphicssystem" Jul 19 05:51:35 I'm going through http://apidocs.meego.com/git-tip/mtf-old/mtf/tutorial.html Jul 19 06:00:45 X-Fade, ping. Jul 19 06:01:22 https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=hildon-theme-marina&project=home%3Asmoku%3Acordia is stuck in 'building' for hours, and block my repository form being published. Jul 19 06:01:57 can't you osc abortbuild? Jul 19 06:02:58 oh. I tried aborting with the web ui, but forgot about abortbuild Jul 19 06:03:17 if that fails, then yeah, admins can help :P Jul 19 06:03:42 'finished' Jul 19 06:03:44 thanks :) Jul 19 06:20:28 morning Jul 19 06:31:04 morning Termana. Jul 19 06:35:59 X-Fade, lbt, is c.obs publisher working? Jul 19 07:14:12 morning Jul 19 07:23:12 lbt: What is this "rpc" timeout about on the Community OBS ? What activity is inactive why it happens ? It is odd because it happens only with one package of the many. Jul 19 07:29:05 djszapi_: IIRC he said yesterday it was some OBS issue or some other OBS not responding Jul 19 07:30:25 sure, it is OBS issue, something is not responding, but my question is what. It needs investigation and we need to solve it. We need to proceed ;-) Jul 19 07:34:12 does anyone here know how to disable swipe in fullscreen game with N950? Jul 19 07:36:35 Summeli: #harmattan might know more Jul 19 07:38:28 Summeli: did you try installing eventFilter? Jul 19 07:38:55 hm. probably not help though Jul 19 07:38:59 Ans5i: yeah, no luck with that one Jul 19 07:39:37 dm8tbr: thanks, I'll try harmattan too :) Jul 19 07:39:54 that's pretty much the last thing that I'm currently missing :P Jul 19 07:40:23 might be difficult to configure Jul 19 07:42:17 it's documented in UI guidlines, so it should be possible somehow :) http://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/pages/Full_Screen.html Jul 19 07:45:04 Summeli: ok. i am reading where that is meantioned http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3607 Jul 19 07:49:01 Summeli: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/N9DevelopmentTipsAndTricks#Disabling_the_Swipe Jul 19 07:50:53 Ans5i: I had no luck with that XWindow flag :( Jul 19 07:56:15 Summeli: mdeclarativescreen should have/will have method, it Jul 19 07:56:26 it's just integrated 19 days ago Jul 19 07:56:37 *merged Jul 19 07:58:28 ok, maybe I don't have that stuff on my FW yet.. :) Jul 19 08:03:46 hi Jul 19 08:04:36 hi Jul 19 08:05:06 hi Jul 19 08:05:55 how can we help you, wonmin82? Jul 19 08:06:03 oh, thank you Jul 19 08:06:03 hi stskeeps, u got it already? Jul 19 08:06:09 I have a question. Jul 19 08:06:27 tonberry_: got what? Jul 19 08:06:32 harmattan Jul 19 08:06:42 tonberry_: i have a n950 yes Jul 19 08:07:04 when u got it? have u tried the browser? Jul 19 08:07:26 tonberry_: 5 days ago and browser is fine, but think there's fixes in later firmware Jul 19 08:07:33 wonmin82: feel free to ask - you don't need to ask to ask :) Jul 19 08:08:07 i cant download mp3 from the browser itself Jul 19 08:08:09 lol Jul 19 08:08:24 tonberry_: probably a better discussion for #harmattan Jul 19 08:08:45 I want to use TFT LCD Monitor which has the RGB interface on my Northville board(which has ST micron IOH), and I want to use dual(LVDS and VGA) display environment on Northville board. How can I acquire appropriate xorg.conf? I have worked in several days, but little progress T.T. Jul 19 08:09:28 which GMA is that? Jul 19 08:09:33 ie, the gpu it uses Jul 19 08:09:54 hmm. Jul 19 08:10:06 It's Intel Automotive reference board, please wait, i'll find it Jul 19 08:11:36 its CPU is Intel Atom E6xx series, and i think no external GPU Jul 19 08:12:01 lbt, xfade, can you kick armv8el Jul 19 08:12:10 but I know it is operated by MeeGo IVI 1.2 and Intel EMGD driver Jul 19 08:12:22 vgrade: will look - on call Jul 19 08:12:29 Hey :) Jul 19 08:12:47 wonmin82: you might have luck looking in the documentation for emgd then, or talk on the support forums for emgd Jul 19 08:12:55 I'm playing around with the n950, trying to get a package installed, but I'm struggling with the device's security Jul 19 08:13:15 sebas: #harmattan might be good for that as it's a vendor specific problem Jul 19 08:13:15 oh.. my group already create the meego page for my region, can meego.com link the page? Jul 19 08:13:23 Stskeeps: good call, thanks Jul 19 08:35:37 good morning meegoists Jul 19 08:39:07 hello? Jul 19 08:39:11 hi Jul 19 08:39:35 =D Jul 19 08:39:46 wanna ask Jul 19 08:39:59 is there support for VLC on meego ivi? Jul 19 08:40:11 well you can build it for it Jul 19 08:40:48 um, i found a guide for the netbook version but apparently it doesnt work on ivi Jul 19 08:42:08 um, am i suppose to dl the source code and work from there? Jul 19 08:44:17 ..hello? Jul 19 08:44:55 pretty much Jul 19 08:45:20 x_x Jul 19 08:45:33 or find a place that already built vlc Jul 19 08:46:34 lbt: rulez! no rpc timeout anymore (I have not changed anything) :) Jul 19 08:47:15 i searched for VLC for meego IVI.. nothing. Jul 19 08:47:21 meivi_, why vlc exactly? GStreamer is the prefered media architecture for MeeGo Jul 19 08:47:47 coz my boss said so >_< Jul 19 08:48:01 i already done gstreamer Jul 19 08:48:06 meivi_, and does your boss now ffmpeg's special legal status? Jul 19 08:48:11 s/now/know Jul 19 08:48:40 i dont know =L Jul 19 08:49:22 im an intern, i dun get briefed much.. >_< Jul 19 08:49:36 they are buzy juggling other projects i guess Jul 19 08:50:10 meivi_, since you are at intel I'll advise you that building any ffmpeg projects on build.meego.com will get that project deleted (I would know...) Jul 19 08:50:34 that obvious? o_0 Jul 19 08:50:35 heh, good to see that rules are enforced ;) Jul 19 08:52:46 I'll check with my supervisor then Jul 19 08:52:48 =D thanks Jul 19 08:55:31 owh, my proxy is listed... Jul 19 08:55:51 meivi_, ;-) i'm not a mind reader... Jul 19 09:11:33 A Nokia N950 is waiting for you \o/ Jul 19 09:11:52 For free? =D Jul 19 09:12:40 not really, i will work for it :P Jul 19 09:14:00 I've not heard anything since my email Jul 19 09:17:42 Is this meego in the Audi A7 http://www.broadsheet.ie/2011/07/19/heads-up-audi/ ? Jul 19 09:18:19 the laptop UI looks MeeGoIsh Jul 19 09:18:41 indeed it does Jul 19 09:19:11 or mac-ish :P Jul 19 09:19:24 the IVI screen though features a suspicious little fecker and a google logo Jul 19 09:19:37 ah, yes could also be. prolly an fruitpad Jul 19 09:20:02 no, it's an iPad Jul 19 09:20:07 source http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/16/2012-audi-a7-features_n_900788.html#s310140&title=InVehicle_WiFi_For Jul 19 09:20:08 :( Jul 19 09:20:18 fruitpad, just what I said Jul 19 09:21:06 ...isnt "msg suppose to start a private chat? Jul 19 09:22:15 /msg meivi_ foo bar | that would send 'foo bar' to a private chat window of meivi_ Jul 19 09:22:41 no it didnt =P Jul 19 09:23:02 *shrug* Jul 19 09:24:38 isnt it dangerous to have an IVI.. Jul 19 09:25:05 woa, is that AR? Jul 19 09:25:12 It's a heads up Jul 19 09:25:32 usually those damned IVI won't play video or do anything good while actually driving Jul 19 09:25:57 also you get these cool screens that display something different to the driver and passenger - just to make sure driving is still boring Jul 19 09:26:15 What humanity needs is a pr0n feed whilst piloting 1 tonne of metal at 60 mph Jul 19 09:26:36 why not.. the plane usually fly itself Jul 19 09:27:02 you got a 1 ton plane that only goes 60 mph? Jul 19 09:27:21 lol Jul 19 09:34:08 with radar guided cruise control it's almost true ;-) Jul 19 09:53:38 lbt, OBS is still being weird looks like store-vlan60.pub.in.meego.com is not playing nice? Jul 19 09:54:00 what makes you say that? Jul 19 09:54:15 https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=satsolver&project=home%3Aearthling%3Ameego-tools&repository=Fedora_15 Jul 19 09:54:26 ta Jul 19 09:55:20 is that what's blocking all the builds? Jul 19 09:55:48 is that happening right now ? Jul 19 09:56:24 i have 15 packages as 'scheduled' in home:arfoll:xbmc and OBS doesn't look busy Jul 19 09:56:38 ok ... sec Jul 19 09:56:48 also packages from home:arfoll:opencpn are not getting pushed to repo.pub.meego.com/xxx Jul 19 09:57:49 Niels is looking at that Jul 19 09:58:33 cool, it sucks dloading pkgs from the OBS interface... Jul 19 10:00:15 arfoll: new builds should appear now. Jul 19 10:00:29 arfoll: I'm not sure about builds that happened yesterday. Jul 19 10:00:59 X-Fade, should I trigger a rebuild or will they slowly trickle in? Jul 19 10:01:30 wow and stuff is building on DE_Trunk - magic Jul 19 10:01:56 arfoll: Yes, it turns out that the scheduler caches old responses :( Jul 19 10:02:08 arfoll: So it thought that api.meego.com was still down. Jul 19 10:02:57 * arfoll kicks stupid scheduler Jul 19 10:24:01 Hi all Jul 19 10:24:09 lo wazd Jul 19 10:24:11 how are things? Jul 19 10:25:00 Stskeeps: well, not quite positive, but I'm trying to hold on :) Jul 19 10:25:10 :nod: Jul 19 10:25:56 Stskeeps: yours? :) Already hacked n950 to run mce? :) Jul 19 10:26:21 wazd: they're okay, we have some small problems, but i'm working on some more global issues right now for all devices Jul 19 10:27:09 you're on gprs atm? Jul 19 10:27:19 Yep Jul 19 10:27:23 Heading home Jul 19 10:27:30 alright Jul 19 10:28:06 Still no word bout n950 from Nokia :) Jul 19 10:28:18 don't worry, you're not the only one afaik :) Jul 19 10:29:24 I'm not in a hurry anyway, have lot's of things to do with existing devices :D Jul 19 10:49:46 Stskeeps, on the n900-ce there is a video sintel_trailer - have you seen it? Jul 19 10:50:09 nop Jul 19 10:55:31 n950 cannot play .ogv movies bah Jul 19 10:55:42 really? thought theora was supposed to be there Jul 19 10:59:35 Stskeeps, I just copied the trailer from n900-ce (sintel) to the n950 Jul 19 10:59:49 still Jul 19 11:01:34 aaaaaaaaargh (castle of) Jul 19 11:01:35 I was trying to see if I could get a regular app to exhibit bug 13084 on n950 Jul 19 11:01:38 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, carsten, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink Jul 19 11:02:08 * Ronksu goes to ponder to the correct channel ; Jul 19 11:06:44 lbt: It built kdelibs, but got stuck after 100% for one hour or so: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=kdelibs&project=home%3Adjszapi&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan Jul 19 11:08:41 hmm ... as an aside with stuck builds like that it's a good idea to try to replicate the build on your desktop if you can Jul 19 11:08:49 I wonder if it's a memory issue Jul 19 11:10:29 lbt: I do not have this issue locally. Jul 19 11:11:01 but since kdelibs build is like 3-4-5 hours, it is not nice if it means it is not okay because of this. Jul 19 11:11:09 Viltapi might know, he had memory constrained workers in his cloud OBS project Jul 19 11:11:48 and I think Qt and chromium both exploded for him because of OOM Jul 19 11:18:56 seif: geoclue packages all built last night and are in my repo: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/elleo/Harmattan/armel/ Jul 19 11:19:25 seif: you can either download them manually or just download http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/elleo.list into /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and apt-get them Jul 19 11:35:33 Hi Jul 19 11:36:02 Someone now how to extract binaries from a zipper rpm package without zipper or install it? Jul 19 11:36:10 something like extracting a deb Jul 19 11:37:06 Greatgib: hi, google for "extract rpm" Jul 19 11:37:16 cpio to the rescue :) Jul 19 11:38:33 ok i see: rpm2cpio mypackage.rpm | cpio -vid Jul 19 11:38:53 but isn't there a solution without needing a special program like rpm2cpio ? Jul 19 11:41:29 lbt: I did not compile and build kdelibs with such an option so that it puts all the cpp files into a bunch and makes one object file. Hence the OOM thing is a bit less chancy. Jul 19 11:44:44 Greatgib: from what I know, the rpm format is complex enough that it's better to rely on rpm2cpio Jul 19 11:44:55 :s that sucks Jul 19 11:45:09 I might be wrong, you may want to go read a bit about rpm Jul 19 11:45:29 tomeu: no I think that you are right because that was that i found and so why I asked here Jul 19 11:47:59 Greatgib: http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/s1-rpm-file-format-rpm-file-format.html Jul 19 11:48:25 * dm8tbr uses midnight commander to explore deb and rpm files ;) Jul 19 11:51:17 tomeu: thanks. Jul 19 12:01:49 Elleo, i love you Jul 19 12:03:31 you're welcome :) Jul 19 12:04:36 djszapi: can you abortbuild it? Jul 19 12:05:05 lbt: if there is no other option...then yeah, but that is another 5 hours :(:( Jul 19 12:05:46 djszapi, when you have built the kdelibs, where are you deploying them to? Jul 19 12:05:47 sorry... this is all still fairly experimental at the H level... and kdelibs is big Jul 19 12:05:59 handset/netbook/n950? Jul 19 12:06:14 * CosmoHill looks at his CV and giggles Jul 19 12:06:45 CosmoHill, adding a joke of the day section to a CV is not wise :P Jul 19 12:07:32 GCSEs: alright, Cs with a few Bs and Ds, A Levels: Ds and Es, Uni: first class with honours Jul 19 12:08:04 \o/ Jul 19 12:08:58 if my education was a golf course then my A levels would be a massive sand trap which I got the ball out of and into the hole in one swing Jul 19 12:09:03 lbt: ok, rebuild then... Jul 19 12:14:45 lbt: how much memory have on the build machines btw ? Jul 19 12:14:50 * do you have Jul 19 12:16:08 6Gb iirc maybe Gb Jul 19 12:18:05 yeah, that might be no enough for more paralel builds. Jul 19 12:18:33 mainly, if someone tries to reduce the compilation time with one big blob. Jul 19 12:21:35 no build-ids on meego. do you think it would be possible to enable it? ie: by applying the following patch https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=buildidprov.diff&package=rpm&project=Base%3Abuild&srcmd5=786860dddfef001a89995dd6b4898fc0 Jul 19 12:21:53 perhaps for next release? Jul 19 12:21:55 lbt/X-fade, if either of you are here, I'd like to request access to the Community OBS, please Jul 19 12:22:04 Reffy: sure Jul 19 12:22:08 details... Jul 19 12:23:08 Username = reffy Jul 19 12:24:11 opensource? community OBS for apps? right? Jul 19 12:24:51 Yeah Jul 19 12:25:12 done : Jul 19 12:25:51 Thanks a lot Jul 19 12:25:58 Apologies for disturbing you Jul 19 12:26:29 np at all ... enjoy Jul 19 12:28:13 lbt: Can we have a shared community repository for Harmattan soonish ? Jul 19 12:28:25 or should I create one and advertise or what is the idea now ? Jul 19 12:28:38 I would love to do that djszapi Jul 19 12:28:47 that is what Surrounds is for Jul 19 12:29:01 I suggest we have Surrounds:Testing for a while Jul 19 12:29:32 have you read my blogs on Surrounds/Apps? Jul 19 12:29:41 lbt: when can we get accesses ? I know more people with more than 20 packages (including myself) and it would be nice to avoid the duplication even before starting packaging by just checking out that repository. It would be comfortable. Jul 19 12:29:47 lbt: link, please. Jul 19 12:30:00 as soon as someone other than me starts asking/pushing Jul 19 12:30:06 ie "now" Jul 19 12:30:13 and "thankyou thankyou thankyou" Jul 19 12:30:37 please read http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Task_Forces/MeeGo_Surrounds_and_Extras Jul 19 12:30:53 I/we put a lot of effort into thinking about this Jul 19 12:31:03 it isn't trivial to get right Jul 19 12:31:31 at least read the blog post linked to and think about the issues Jul 19 12:32:02 we saw the problems in Extras ... so we want to get it right (or at least better) this time Jul 19 12:32:12 lbt: ok reading :) Jul 19 12:33:03 and add yourself to the team if you like the approach... Jul 19 12:33:17 lbt: how can I re-trigger a build (kdelibs) from the webinterface ? Jul 19 12:33:28 https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=kdelibs&project=home%3Adjszapi&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan -> I see no option for that Jul 19 12:33:53 The problem is that in this case the build is in an in-between limbo state =) Jul 19 12:33:56 mmm ... it needs to be aborted first Jul 19 12:34:18 how ? Jul 19 12:34:26 and there should be a link for that... Jul 19 12:34:35 if not it may be osc time Jul 19 12:34:41 duh.. Jul 19 12:34:51 lbt: feature request for this is being opened... Jul 19 12:35:01 upstream please Jul 19 12:35:12 another duh... :) Jul 19 12:35:34 ah Jul 19 12:35:42 now the log has "trigger rebuild" Jul 19 12:35:55 Yeah, I killed the build :) Jul 19 12:35:56 and what is cool.... I didn't refresh the page Jul 19 12:36:04 someone killed it Jul 19 12:36:09 some big killer, like X-Fade :) Jul 19 12:36:11 it just appeared ... as if by ajax Jul 19 12:36:20 yeah .. he lurks Jul 19 12:36:31 X-Fade: How can we make sure if a build runs out of memory ? Jul 19 12:36:48 do we have at all enough memory for kdelibs which is a goliath ? ) Jul 19 12:36:48 :) Jul 19 12:36:55 djszapi: run it again and see if helps :) Jul 19 12:37:03 another 5 hours another duh ... :) Jul 19 12:37:32 djszapi: That is a sign that the package is far too big :) Jul 19 12:37:44 ... kitchen sink. Jul 19 12:37:58 X-Fade: kde is feature rich :p Jul 19 12:46:02 X-Fade, lbt: does it make a clean session between the builds or it just runs dpkg-buildpackage -nc in this special case ? Jul 19 12:46:48 it *always* creates a brand new root Jul 19 12:48:03 right Jul 19 13:09:06 Elleo, can i ask for one more thing :) Jul 19 13:09:19 the python bindings for geoclue ? Jul 19 13:10:20 seif: okay, I'll see what I can do :) Jul 19 13:10:45 also is there a way to disable aegis for developer? Jul 19 13:11:04 X-Fade, lbt: *sigh* This happened last times for days: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=kdelibs&project=home%3Adjszapi&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan -> As of now, it does not even try to build kdelibs. Jul 19 13:12:24 and this ends up "rpc timeout" without knowing what causes it and how it can be fixed and so forth. Jul 19 13:13:59 djszapi, prior to the last week, how did you go about building kdelibs and distributing them? Jul 19 13:14:14 lets say for n900-maemo, did you push the entire build to autobuilder? Jul 19 13:14:15 djszapi: It can just be that the worker setup takes a long time, as these packages need to be fetched from an external server. Jul 19 13:14:57 lcuk: I can publish on my website Jul 19 13:15:19 X-Fade: last time it took for days. Jul 19 13:15:35 djszapi, is that how you normally do it for each platform? Jul 19 13:16:55 lcuk: not sure what your point is Jul 19 13:17:10 just curious how you deployed the built kdelibs in the past Jul 19 13:17:13 * lcuk conversing Jul 19 13:17:56 lcuk: It is a different discussion. I am trying to get things done with feedbacks in order to proceed really. Jul 19 13:18:16 it does not really matter what happened before regarding that. I am now focusing on this issue ;) Jul 19 13:19:21 of course and once obs is working happily then the kdelibs can be deployed from any of the numerous build targets obs supports Jul 19 13:19:54 lcuk: but the thing is that it does not work happily and we need to proceed somehow in order for it to work happily... Jul 19 13:20:05 it needs feedback, more information about the system and so forth. Jul 19 13:21:12 * lcuk nods Jul 19 13:28:10 lcuk: ok, I gave up, ping me when it is more mature. Jul 19 13:42:11 Impatient fellow :) Jul 19 13:47:18 Stskeeps, you said this morning you wonder why the n900-ce tablet build was slow Jul 19 13:47:28 i just got it booted up and encountered http://liqbase.net/20110719_003.jpg Jul 19 13:47:44 where should I file the bug? Jul 19 13:47:46 guys Jul 19 13:48:06 lcuk: well, a patch is probably better, file it as [CE] first Jul 19 13:48:17 is there a way to disableaegis on the n950 or at least reduce the security for the developer user Jul 19 13:48:35 Stskeeps, I understand patch is better, but first step to patches is recognising and writing down the bug :P Jul 19 13:48:50 lcuk: start out as a [CE] bug as i think we're shrinking the design a bit Jul 19 13:51:37 seif: I don't think there's anything other than what's mentioned in that thread I linked yesterday (--relax-exec mode), there isn't much in the way of documentation about aegis available yet; lots of people have been asking that question in #harmattan without any real solution coming up Jul 19 13:52:48 Stskeeps, understood bug 21416 Jul 19 13:52:51 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21416 nor, Undecided, ---, rusty.lynch, NEW, [CE] App launcher in landscape n900 is odd Jul 19 13:53:13 ok Jul 19 13:53:36 Stskeeps, simplicity of components and everything will be welcome by all, it allows more focused efforts and less duplication Jul 19 13:59:28 X-Fade, lbt: I am now getting "No Results", funky :) Jul 19 13:59:39 who understands it... Jul 19 14:04:12 w00t, \o Jul 19 14:04:51 djszapi: sorry... got work I need to get done Jul 19 14:04:59 bug me later though Jul 19 14:06:28 lbt: well there has been a bugreport about the rpm timeoutS for a while. You can actually solve them anytime. Jul 19 14:06:42 when you get there... Jul 19 14:06:55 djszapi: We're both volunteers. Jul 19 14:07:02 djszapi: You can't demand service. Jul 19 14:07:32 djszapi: If you want a support contract, I can send you a quote. Jul 19 14:10:13 X-Fade: nobody demanded anything. Jul 19 14:16:32 lcuk: o/ Jul 19 14:26:37 lbt, thanks for looking at the arm scheduler Jul 19 14:26:57 lbt, my package now built, Jul 19 14:27:43 I've just read in the news that they don't teach handwriting anymore in the USA... is this true? Jul 19 14:27:56 that would be stupid Jul 19 14:28:01 they may not teach calligraphy Jul 19 14:28:08 i learnt my handwriting from my c64 screen Jul 19 14:28:51 They now just learn to mimic a screen font in handwriting. Jul 19 14:29:42 http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/jul/14/children-signing-name-with-x Jul 19 14:30:07 andre__: you don't know that OBE can be "Overcome By Events" or "Out of Body Experience" or "Order of the British Empire" ? Jul 19 14:30:10 :( Jul 19 14:30:14 "Indiana is the 42nd state to give up on joined-up writing and concentrate on keyboard skills." Jul 19 14:30:21 handtyping will improve all that Jul 19 14:30:38 Elleo, can u show me the link again Jul 19 14:31:26 Venemo: I look at this from the positive side: my kids will have an advantage over the illiterate masses =) Jul 19 14:31:41 seif: to the repo or to the aegis discussion? Jul 19 14:32:01 RST38h yeah, you can see it that way. :) Jul 19 14:32:19 tomeu, none of them happened to be recently :) Jul 19 14:32:29 s/be/me Jul 19 14:32:44 Overcome by Events may qualify Jul 19 14:32:45 :P Jul 19 14:32:46 ;) Jul 19 14:33:11 seif: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3827 is the aegis stuff, http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/elleo/Harmattan/armel/ is the debs, or http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/elleo.list if you want something to stick in your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ Jul 19 14:33:20 that's all the links I can think of ;) Jul 19 14:33:41 seif: oh and: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=python-geoclue&project=home%3Aelleo if you want to keep an eye on the python-geoclue stuff Jul 19 14:34:10 anyone seen dwmw2 around? Jul 19 14:46:43 X-Fade, lbt, cheers for all the OBS fixing! have a virtual beer on me Jul 19 14:51:55 * CosmoHill can hear a variety of windows error sounds coming from next door Jul 19 15:18:13 hey Elleo any ideas about how i can communicate with the music player via dbus Jul 19 15:18:13 ? Jul 19 15:22:47 X-Fade, lbt is there still a problem with publishing? build monitor says that "Repository has been published" but the new build doesn't appear on repo.pub.meego.com :-( Jul 19 15:26:31 Elleo, i just found http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/t/telepathy-python/python-telepathy_0.15.17-1_all.deb which i need Jul 19 15:26:36 but sadly aegis is bitching again Jul 19 15:26:40 wont let me install it Jul 19 15:28:09 hello all Jul 19 15:28:17 'm trying for 1 hour already make my zypper work again Jul 19 15:28:31 I can refresh all my repos, but whenever I try to find a particular package, zypper only finds the local ones installed Jul 19 15:28:48 so "zypper search" doesn't give me any remote content, even after I make sure it's refreshed Jul 19 15:28:54 what could be the problem? Jul 19 15:29:11 the repo is enabled, yes Jul 19 15:35:08 vignatti: maybe this will help zypper clean Jul 19 15:35:11 --all Jul 19 15:35:28 hmmm, what to use with exopc if wanting to use it as a music and movia player? some good meego image or wetab? Jul 19 15:36:05 eg81: I tried already, followed by a refresh Jul 19 15:36:09 no lucky though Jul 19 15:38:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nlk0AjvT6yY << and people say trains are better than cars for the environment Jul 19 15:39:04 vignatti, is this a new install? on which ux is it happening? Jul 19 15:39:12 did it happily work before Jul 19 15:39:37 lcuk: it worked before, yes Jul 19 15:39:42 was working like one week ago Jul 19 15:40:13 can you pastebin the logs of what you are doing Jul 19 15:47:24 vignatti, sounds familiar Jul 19 15:47:38 vignatti, sounds like a bug in libzypp with one set of images Jul 19 15:51:07 vignatti, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19659 Jul 19 15:51:10 Bug 19659 cri, High, ---, qiang.z.zhang, RELE FIXED, [trunk:testing][REG]Execute "zypper in ..." can't install packages successful Jul 19 15:51:26 thx MeeGoBot ;) Jul 19 15:54:01 ot from meego-meeting: yeah sabotage, bug 13084 prevents using XV mode Jul 19 15:54:04 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, carsten, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink Jul 19 15:54:12 and I dont know how to fix it myself Jul 19 15:54:20 and it also impacts harmattan too Jul 19 16:06:25 iekku: i use latest meego tablet release plus http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem and it works nicely for music/movie playing Jul 19 16:06:38 also http://wiki.meego.com/tubelet-and-cutetube-port Jul 19 16:06:51 i'm about to try it out on my new n950 Jul 19 16:08:38 actually, i'd love to find out the codec-situation on "stock" meego tablets w/r/t my cutetube port at http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/playground/qmltube Jul 19 16:09:36 and on harmattan as well. so far, i tried playing a .flv .mov .mp4 and .avi and all failed... but a 3gp succeeded Jul 19 16:11:37 i keep getting Jul 19 16:11:38 RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec Jul 19 16:11:38 Error: Permission denied Jul 19 16:12:43 speaking of N950, will a Nokia E7 case protect it? http://mynokiablog.com/2011/06/26/gallery-nokia-n9-vs-n950-vs-n900-vs-e7-vs-samsung-sgsii-vs-iphone-4/ makes it look like e7 has similar dimensions, other than camera-hole on back Jul 19 16:13:19 npm: would be interesting to see response to a bugreport of flv mov mp4 avi not working Jul 19 16:13:34 especially as N9 is marketed with its "amazing" ability to play everything Jul 19 16:13:34 well it might just be operator error. Jul 19 16:13:41 i had just gotten the device Jul 19 16:14:07 maybe it is a security setting that needs to be changed? Jul 19 16:14:51 Security shouldn't prevent the user from using the device Jul 19 16:15:09 sure it could Jul 19 16:15:49 If you have to change security settinga just to watch a video, something is seriously wrong Jul 19 16:16:03 if i were doing the security arch for a handset, i'd be concerned about the provenance of incoming media as well. Jul 19 16:16:08 whether it's wrong by design or not I don't know :) Jul 19 16:16:42 ShadowJK: it depends on how much you know about security. if done right at the app level, you wouldn't need to see, but i wasn't coming in at the app level Jul 19 16:16:48 So what, you can only play videos specifically approved by some secret mystical video approval cabal? Jul 19 16:16:51 i was sshing in media files behind it's back Jul 19 16:17:07 Yeah that's how I would move stuff to the device too Jul 19 16:17:21 maybe they need some kind of special "blessing" to say they're legit Jul 19 16:17:34 as there are no other methods left besides bouncing files via a web server :) Jul 19 16:18:12 i would assume commercial mobile devices would support drm and thus one may need to be concerned over working with drm Jul 19 16:18:34 usb mass storage Jul 19 16:19:03 hoping someone w/ expertise will inform me of specifics, so i don't have to complain in such careful generic terms :-) Jul 19 16:19:37 usb mass storage is unusable unless they solved the umounting problem Jul 19 16:20:26 anyways i'll be findig out at the qt and qtmobility level pretty soon as i've only had a few hours w/ device Jul 19 16:22:03 which has mostly been playing and pinching it's cheeks and coohing and going oooh how qt! Jul 19 16:22:12 It'd be pretty stupid and not fit for purpose if it was only able to plau DRMd files :( Jul 19 16:22:16 http://blogs.amd.com/home/2011/07/15/the-revenge-of-pen-computing/ Jul 19 16:22:21 bah pen computing Jul 19 16:22:56 speaking of pen computing, what kindof stylus for n950 Jul 19 16:23:26 missing stylus holder :) Jul 19 16:23:39 npm: i suspect one might be able to use the bamboo stylus thing wacom did... Jul 19 16:23:49 hi leinir! Jul 19 16:23:51 /me chuckles Jul 19 16:23:59 stylus on a capacitive screen Jul 19 16:24:03 good one. Jul 19 16:24:11 there are capacitive styluses Jul 19 16:24:27 finger to pixel size ratio is enormous :) Jul 19 16:24:34 i personally would like to see phones designed w/ screens so hard that they can withstand a ballpoint pen Jul 19 16:24:40 stylus to pixel ratio is approaching usable Jul 19 16:24:42 yes, there are... but it's awkward at best Jul 19 16:24:52 so that you can grab anything you need any time you need to "write" Jul 19 16:25:03 and not worry about keys in the pocket Jul 19 16:25:05 * TSCHAKeee rolls his eyes and walks off. Jul 19 16:25:30 npm, yeah that'd be awesome Jul 19 16:25:46 But I don't think there exists any scratch proof materials yet Jul 19 16:26:09 if they'd stop trying to use nanotech to kill people and did something useful with it.... Jul 19 16:26:18 lol Jul 19 16:26:41 other than intel's contributions of course... :-) Jul 19 16:27:23 Atleast with screen protectora you can replace them once you've accumulated scratches, and the touch window on N900 is relatively inexpensive enough that you can swap that too.. Jul 19 16:27:50 Allegedly N9's screen assembly is all in one unit and the most expensive part of the device though Jul 19 16:31:31 leinir: please check out http://code.google.com/p/qtzibit/ see screenshots in http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/ .... Jul 19 16:37:54 ShadowJK: And there do - diamond Jul 19 16:38:10 ShadowJK: Although you can actually get large slabs of sapphire - which are almost as good Jul 19 16:43:30 both are obscenely expensive I guess? :) Jul 19 16:44:56 Well - actually... Jul 19 16:46:38 http://gizmodo.com/337529/asus-ls201-resists-crossbow-arrow-impact Jul 19 16:46:55 that woould handle your piffly pens Jul 19 16:47:33 I found a linka while ago for diamond coated scan windows for barcode scanners. Jul 19 16:47:43 The sort that you run cans over all day every day Jul 19 16:49:40 auke, this updating version thing Jul 19 16:49:47 Reminder: MeeGo Events meeting in #meego-meeting starting in 15 minutes: http://wiki.meego.com/Events/Meetings Jul 19 16:50:04 bug 9205 Jul 19 16:50:07 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9205 enh, High, 1.3, auke-jan.h.kok, NEW, Cannot Update from 1.0 to 1.1, from 1.1 to 1.2 Jul 19 16:50:09 \o DawnFoster Jul 19 16:50:50 auke, which other OS/distro is this not updating thing based on? Jul 19 16:50:51 hey lcuk Jul 19 16:52:12 DawnFoster, do I recall a whole boatload of intel/meego demo devices shown somewhere a few months ago? Jul 19 16:52:24 i remember a video with a guy with about 5 devices next to him Jul 19 16:52:37 maybe at the meego conference? Jul 19 16:52:46 or at mobile world congress maybe Jul 19 16:52:55 no, it was a video and afaik was even before the conf Jul 19 16:53:05 perhaps but it did not look like conference surroundings Jul 19 16:53:11 * lcuk will do some research Jul 19 16:53:42 not sure - I know we've done some demos like that, but not sure about the video Jul 19 16:54:05 DawnFoster, on another topic: Jul 19 16:54:06 http://blogs.amd.com/home/2011/07/15/the-revenge-of-pen-computing/ Jul 19 16:54:58 seems that htc flyer is doing what I have been trying to organise for a while Jul 19 16:55:06 * lcuk never seems to do anything right Jul 19 16:56:28 * lcuk goes playing football Jul 19 17:10:27 lcuk: I'm curious about your question. Let me know if you find your video. Why are you asking? Jul 19 17:27:50 pixelgeek, to see and experiment with different form factors Jul 19 17:28:00 i have been longtime wanting a large format, dual mode tablet Jul 19 17:28:07 the htc flyer seems to have requirements Jul 19 17:28:11 but for the android Jul 19 17:28:22 * lcuk strongly prefers meegosince liqbase runs on it Jul 19 17:28:51 Are you coming to OSCON or Linuxconf NA? Jul 19 17:29:08 I never have finances to fly out to conferences Jul 19 17:29:14 * pixelgeek nods Jul 19 17:29:18 http://liqbase.net/liq.20110623_015300.liqbase-playground.scr.png is my current meego device Jul 19 17:29:42 the ideapad I got from meego conf dublin Jul 19 17:29:52 * lcuk thinks he is the only person using meego day to day Jul 19 17:29:54 how do you exit the wireless settings in the meego 1.2 tablet ux? Jul 19 17:30:33 mosty: You should be able to go back to the home screen? Jul 19 17:30:53 lcuk: I use it at home most days. Jul 19 17:31:06 pixelgeek, how? what guesture? there's no obvious buttons to press that do that Jul 19 17:31:13 pixelgeek, which ux? Jul 19 17:31:14 ExoPC? Jul 19 17:31:21 pixelgeek, yes Jul 19 17:31:22 lcuk: netbook Jul 19 17:31:44 mosty: there is a magic hidden sensor in the top left of the screen Jul 19 17:31:53 It functions like a home button Jul 19 17:32:30 pixelgeek, how do you find the multitasking Jul 19 17:32:33 (Or bottom right if you're holding the tablet the other way up ;) ) Jul 19 17:32:40 pixelgeek, aha that round thing Jul 19 17:32:40 on netbook when I am sat in the garden developing Jul 19 17:32:53 i have folder window, editor window, console window and app window Jul 19 17:33:03 and alt-tabbing is horrid on concentration Jul 19 17:33:10 Yes. Jul 19 17:33:22 I tend to use it for reading email or websurfing. Jul 19 17:33:23 i filed a bug about it but it wont be changed Jul 19 17:33:27 pixelgeek, thanks :) a label or home icon would not have been a bad idea... Jul 19 17:33:27 Not too much back and forth Jul 19 17:34:00 mosty: ExoPC is just being used as a development vehicle. Jul 19 17:34:05 bug 10544 Jul 19 17:34:08 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10544 nor, Medium, ---, tf, RESO WONTFIX, Alt-Tab app order not reflected in applications Jul 19 17:34:56 pixelgeek, i know, i can't imagine this competing as a consumer device Jul 19 17:34:58 mosty: repurposing Windows hardware. I guess Windows doesn't need a home button because you never leave the home screen. Jul 19 17:35:43 bug 4804 is similar Jul 19 17:35:46 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4804 enh, Medium, ---, nicholas.e.richards, NEW, The animation for window transition is too slow (task switcher with alt-tab) Jul 19 17:35:46 Actual product specifications will be different. Jul 19 17:36:27 lcuk: I always find the Windows tab order seems random... Jul 19 17:36:37 pixelgeek, yeah Jul 19 17:36:41 I agree on the transition animation timing though Jul 19 17:36:43 i wish I knew where in the code to look Jul 19 17:36:55 * lcuk cannot grok lots of the code to fix it myself Jul 19 17:37:01 * pixelgeek too Jul 19 17:37:07 i am happiest prototyping and tinkering Jul 19 17:37:08 Jul 19 17:37:28 * pixelgeek off to another meeting Jul 19 17:50:26 npm, ok, thanks :) Jul 19 17:52:26 lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=kdelibs&project=home%3Adjszapi&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan Build is ready again after hours, after the building, it is getting stuck again...It has been like that for hours. C-OBS does not like something after building. Jul 19 17:55:50 DawnFoster: oh, could I ask a favour? Could you add my new blog to the MeeGo aggregator? Jul 19 17:56:32 thiago: sure! did you file a bug with the feed address? Jul 19 17:56:41 (i'm way behind on bugs) Jul 19 17:56:49 a FEA request ;) Jul 19 17:56:52 DawnFoster: http://www.macieira.org/blog/author/thiago/feed/ Jul 19 17:56:55 no Jul 19 17:56:56 new blogs should not start out as bugs! Jul 19 17:56:57 I didn't Jul 19 17:57:01 didn't know I should Jul 19 17:57:04 I'll do that if you want me to Jul 19 17:57:36 thiago: can you give me a meego-specific feed? Jul 19 17:59:43 sure Jul 19 17:59:44 sec Jul 19 17:59:57 like for a specific meego category or tag, like http://fastwonderblog.com/tag/meego/feed/ Jul 19 18:00:58 http://www.macieira.org/blog/category/meego/feed/ Jul 19 18:01:14 there's nothing there yet Jul 19 18:01:32 but I wouldn't mind if you added http://www.macieira.org/blog/category/qt/feed/ too Jul 19 18:02:43 i'll probably just add the meego category Jul 19 18:02:57 and you can put some qt stuff in the meego category, too Jul 19 18:03:11 can I add blogging software to my godaddy hosting thingy? Jul 19 18:03:11 assuming you're using WP, which allows mulitple categories?? Jul 19 18:03:28 yeah Jul 19 18:04:02 lcuk: you can add WP I think Jul 19 18:04:12 otherwise, you can get one at wordpress.com Jul 19 18:04:28 * lcuk does not understand all this faff :$ Jul 19 18:04:32 if you can't ask the godaddy control software to install for you, installing WP is pretty easy anyway Jul 19 18:04:41 I used my slashdot journal for blogging in the past Jul 19 18:04:46 thiago: can you go log in here? http://planet.meego.com/mgd:login Jul 19 18:04:47 stormer, the old pacrunner provides /usr/lib/libproxy.so.0 and glib-networking requires libproxy.so.1... new pacrunner provides .1 but does not have .0 anymore and .0 is required by some other packages Jul 19 18:04:47 but the maemo planet made a hash of the posts Jul 19 18:05:06 thiago: that will create your planet account Jul 19 18:05:22 stormer, any suggestions? :) Jul 19 18:05:26 \o al Jul 19 18:05:31 \o albanc Jul 19 18:05:56 DawnFoster: done Jul 19 18:06:14 my blog links to https://meego.com/aggregator Jul 19 18:06:23 should I keep that? should I add planet.meego.com? Jul 19 18:07:46 thiago: probably link to planet.meego.com, since that will be the new one Jul 19 18:07:58 ok Jul 19 18:07:59 thiago: ok, you're added to both now Jul 19 18:08:01 * thiago will update Jul 19 18:10:55 link updated Jul 19 18:17:16 anybody know how to get around this trying to send my first program to N950: :-1: error: Deployment failed: Qemu was not running. It has now been started up for you, but it will take a bit of time until it is ready." Jul 19 18:17:43 the thing is why would qemu need to run to send my compile program to n950 to run? Jul 19 18:18:13 auke, *blink* Jul 19 18:18:26 albanc, rebuild Jul 19 18:18:54 cause I don't think a symlink is fine for a distro Jul 19 18:19:28 albanc, all package build agains 0 should work find with 1 Jul 19 18:20:03 stormer, I rebuilt pacrunner and glib-networking... already Jul 19 18:21:18 lcuk: ? Jul 19 18:21:29 should libzypp and others be rebuilt? Jul 19 18:21:39 auke, the current discussion on bug 9205 Jul 19 18:21:42 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9205 enh, High, 1.3, auke-jan.h.kok, NEW, Cannot Update from 1.0 to 1.1, from 1.1 to 1.2 Jul 19 18:21:44 ah, lol Jul 19 18:21:51 with all the talk of compliancy and applications being compatible Jul 19 18:21:58 should really flow to the OS to Jul 19 18:22:07 and really, it should be a special case that updates are not possible Jul 19 18:22:26 I think every developer maintaining a codebase understands that Jul 19 18:22:40 the simple act of "maintaining" instead of rewriting it from scratch every 6 months Jul 19 18:22:50 shows that updatable packages are in mind Jul 19 18:23:20 lcuk: I hate to pop bubbles, but upgrading an OS is not an easy thing to do Jul 19 18:23:26 understood Jul 19 18:23:39 I'll be the last person to merge some haphazard junk script that breaks 99% of the time Jul 19 18:23:41 I went through it with the teams around fremantle 1.2 -> 1.2 -> 1.3 Jul 19 18:23:47 and leaves people without anything Jul 19 18:23:52 and saw first hand the complexities Jul 19 18:24:20 that is why we have bugs and regression tests and competent engineers Jul 19 18:24:31 wtf? Jul 19 18:24:37 you have competent engineers? Jul 19 18:24:42 send them to me pls Jul 19 18:24:45 :) Jul 19 18:25:02 auke: I'm available :) Jul 19 18:25:07 auke, perhaps you should contact collabora :) most of the guys there know their stuff Jul 19 18:26:08 auke, with modern merge review processes and continuous integration and automated testing around meego Jul 19 18:26:19 it should be practically impossible to get a pad apple patch in Jul 19 18:26:36 whole teams around -qa work hard to ensure the tooling is in place Jul 19 18:26:48 and developers from each team have created sets of tests Jul 19 18:28:13 auke, if you can find me the design documentation which states that OS level updating is not practical, I would gladly work with people to amend it Jul 19 18:28:33 and file bugs and work towards ensuring that 0.x level updates can be updated Jul 19 18:29:13 there is no documentation stating anything like that Jul 19 18:29:40 > So what is it that makes it impossible? Is it a technical issue? Jul 19 18:29:40 Yes. But ultimately, it is a design choice. Jul 19 18:29:51 "it is a design choice" you said. Jul 19 18:29:59 you misread that Jul 19 18:30:16 as with anything around meego, there would normally be several forms to be filled in and signed by both sets of grandparents Jul 19 18:30:28 it is a design choice to not make meego continuously upgradable -> IOW, make meego packages require fully regressable/upgradable Jul 19 18:30:47 ok, so then the bug report *could* be made into a feature request Jul 19 18:30:56 it technically is a feature request Jul 19 18:31:01 and word could be spread amongst developers that updates are wanted where possible? Jul 19 18:31:37 ie, just a piece of hacker lore around meego "will this patch help or prevent updating end users installations?" Jul 19 18:32:05 if the answer is that it will prevent the update, ask why it is required Jul 19 18:32:15 and whether a simple refactor would allow seamless updating Jul 19 18:32:30 albanc, I think it's already understood, but just in case, I meant that you should rebuild the other packages too Jul 19 18:33:00 \o stormer Jul 19 18:33:10 I think you're making more out of this than it is. In itself, doing an OS upgrade is trivial, but inherently incomplete. Jul 19 18:33:24 what if a user installs an AppUp package? Jul 19 18:33:35 lcuk, hello Jul 19 18:33:44 auke, same occured in maemo Jul 19 18:33:48 user installs app from ovi Jul 19 18:33:52 whilst using maemo 1.2 Jul 19 18:33:56 angry birds! Jul 19 18:34:01 after updating to maemo 1.3 Jul 19 18:34:10 hey ho, magically angry birds still works Jul 19 18:35:01 auke, windows: user has windows 7. installs boat load of stuff Jul 19 18:35:03 installs sp1 Jul 19 18:35:10 albanc, hmm, thinking of it, you should probably make pacrunner install a symlink for 0, at least in 1.2, and drop it for 1.3 Jul 19 18:35:11 boatload of stuff is still there Jul 19 18:35:55 auke, I can honestly understand it around x.0 updates, but the 0.x should work happily Jul 19 18:35:58 lcuk: i have upgraded fedora many times, and ubuntu a few. upgrades work perfectly only on virgin systems Jul 19 18:37:10 well, I'm just repeating things here, but, with MeeGo we chose to not support a `zypper dup` type OS upgrade from 0.x to 0.x+1 Jul 19 18:37:22 we can use alternative methods Jul 19 18:37:34 that's what I'm considering to implement Jul 19 18:38:00 perhaps it will be `zypper dup`-based under the hood Jul 19 18:38:19 but most likely, it will be heavily using btrfs subvolumes as a safety net Jul 19 18:38:43 and also allow you to do a clean replacement of the OS without reformatting/removing user data Jul 19 18:38:54 because those parts make a ton of sense Jul 19 18:39:33 OS upgrade method 1 failed? now you can try method 2, or just upgrade-install while saving userdata Jul 19 18:39:39 and afterwards? you can revert back Jul 19 18:40:14 fixing this the package management would mean that the cost of maintaining packages skyrockets Jul 19 18:44:27 lol, it's a funny bug Jul 19 18:44:36 everyone is like Jul 19 18:44:44 OMG A DEVELOPER REPLIED!!! JUMP HIM!!! Jul 19 18:44:48 :) Jul 19 18:48:21 auke, the replace os route will not be appup supported? Jul 19 18:51:01 making a whole new volume and basically doing a fresh install isn't going to sit very well if there's three security bugs in a week Jul 19 18:51:11 you *are* going to release timely security updates, right? Jul 19 18:51:24 ok someone want to help me debug the nonplaying of video in http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qmltube_1_0_6_armel.deb on harmattan (my meego port works on harmattan too) Jul 19 18:51:34 almost anyways Jul 19 18:51:39 or are we going to get those in the once-every-three-months-if-you're-lucky monolithic updates too? Jul 19 18:54:20 btw, i've been "continuously updating" meego 1.2 on netbook and tablet w/ no problems. it's just a few scripts... (see PS on http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-June/004169.html ) Jul 19 18:54:56 i tried to do it once... it killed the whole install Jul 19 18:55:08 well you have to do it right :-) Jul 19 18:55:25 and not go off and reboot without making sure things work Jul 19 18:55:43 how do you make sure things work right? Jul 19 18:55:57 cross my fingers :-) Jul 19 18:56:03 i just changed repos from 1.2 -> 1.3 and updated everything and rebooted. it didn't work :) Jul 19 18:56:09 ali1234: for security processes, please talk to Ryan Ware... the security team however does (and has, in the past) push out security updates out-of-band from the normal updates... Jul 19 18:56:10 oh well that's another story Jul 19 18:56:16 1.3 isn't ready for primetime IMHO Jul 19 18:56:27 1.2.1 is Jul 19 18:56:28 ali1234: told ya hehehe :) Jul 19 18:57:09 well, 1.3 is starting to look great from a developers perspective, especially concerning the systemd change Jul 19 18:57:14 i'll cross that burning bridge when i've done crossing this burning platform Jul 19 18:57:19 I run it on a lot of systems Jul 19 18:57:31 but, migrating from 1.2.0 to trunk is a no-go Jul 19 18:59:13 that's for sure Jul 19 18:59:13 yeah i was just talking about live upgrading from say the exopc conference tablets to 1.2.0.90 latest Jul 19 18:59:16 i still didn't manage to get it installed but i think it's fixed now... just no image with the fix yet Jul 19 18:59:27 or maybe there is in a daily image somewhere and i can't find it Jul 19 19:00:26 ok well off to build and install my second program on harmattan ( http://code.google.com/p/qtzibit/ ) Jul 19 19:02:58 for the installer-shell it would be nice if there was an option "just give me a shell" Jul 19 19:03:08 instead of having to load up the full UI Jul 19 19:03:59 just built an interesting youtube browser in qtzibit: http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qtzibit-youtube.png Jul 19 19:04:39 npm: none playing video: is it a video with adverts on it? those won't play out of the browser Jul 19 19:06:03 hmmm good point. the thing is the same vids play on n900... perhaps i'll turn on the "only give 3gp vids" param to youtube and see if that fixes Jul 19 19:06:23 there is a way to filter only videos without adverts... mythtv youtube plugin does it Jul 19 19:06:28 yes Jul 19 19:06:46 format 5 or 3 or something Jul 19 19:57:53 ali1234: just TAB in the installed, then add '3' to the "boot meego" option and it'll boot to console? Jul 19 20:09:37 auke: iow the option exists and you just need to work on usability :) Jul 19 20:13:02 more options, not a good thing Jul 19 20:13:02 how about this for an idea? after you write the USB image, drop a script into a magic location with any commands and settings you want, and the installer will run it automatically Jul 19 20:13:13 more complexity, not a good thing Jul 19 20:13:18 you are a developer Jul 19 20:13:24 you dont need another option Jul 19 20:13:25 i thought meego was for developers anyway? Jul 19 20:13:34 i wish you guys would make your minds up Jul 19 20:13:44 I don't work for Nokia Jul 19 20:14:02 so meego is now an end user distro again? Jul 19 20:14:12 meant to be installed after market? Jul 19 20:14:22 are you trolling or do you want a serious discussion? Jul 19 20:14:27 Meego is both. Jul 19 20:14:37 It's a framework on which manufacturers can elaborate. Jul 19 20:14:51 more options are not going to affect an unattended OEM install, because nobody is going to be around to get confused by them Jul 19 20:14:52 In addition, there are various 'user experiences' that are end-user code. Jul 19 20:15:20 ok, fair point Jul 19 20:15:30 I'll add 20 or so options to the meego boot images Jul 19 20:15:43 * auke giggles Jul 19 20:15:56 where do you draw the line though? Jul 19 20:16:11 prease prefix action points with #ACTION: ;) Jul 19 20:16:29 please even Jul 19 20:16:37 #ACTION: smack lcuk around a bit. Jul 19 20:16:39 i dunno, but adding one option that just drops to a shell where you can do whatever doesn't seem like too much to me Jul 19 20:16:39 auke: Error: "ACTION:" is not a valid command. Jul 19 20:16:41 :D Jul 19 20:17:08 ali1234: perhaps. But, you are not a statistically significant sample :). Jul 19 20:17:18 i'd put it in the installer-shell, not the boot menu Jul 19 20:19:13 luckily not even the whole meego is statistically significant Jul 19 20:19:53 otherwise I'd re-educate to do a job as bricklayer or butcher Jul 19 20:23:42 DocScrutinizer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKcO4i3shDM&feature=player_detailpage#t=222s Jul 19 20:23:54 #MeeGo is an awesome #Linux based #MMORPG where you level up by submitting code patches and conquering the OBS machine! http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/93414143234805760 Jul 19 20:23:55 lcuk: Error: "MeeGo" is not a valid command. Jul 19 20:24:28 LOL Jul 19 20:25:14 Are you a #developer? Are you #bored on the #internet now? Roll your sleeves up and get involved with #MeeGo Help build an awesome platform http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/93413776933666816 Jul 19 20:25:30 * lcuk enjoying a bit of twitter fishing Jul 19 20:25:59 anyone else care to join in? :O Jul 19 20:29:47 lcuk: sorry, but you know I radically refuse to enter any URL beginning with http://twitter.com/ - and this is as my browser refuses to render that nonsense Jul 19 20:30:39 X-Fade: Could you kill the build again ? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=kdelibs&project=home%3Adjszapi&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan Jul 19 20:31:40 the fifth time I sat in fron of an empty screen after kilcking such url and watching 105 images getting downloaded to /dev/null, I did >> echo 0.0.0.0 twitter.com >/etc/hosts << Jul 19 20:32:49 DocScrutinizer, that is ok I just thought you would find that one amusing. since I posted the tweet in full you have no need to visit the website \o Jul 19 20:33:17 lcuk: much appreciated. Indeed it's quite amusing Jul 19 20:33:38 I'm just sorry I can't join in Jul 19 20:34:12 you need to create nottwitter.com or something Jul 19 20:39:27 how's about no-aegis.fsf.org Jul 19 20:44:18 <[Rui]> Hi. Got a wetab, install seems frozen. Anyone familiar with this? Jul 19 20:45:19 <[Rui]> It's stuck for well over an hour in step 3, installation. :-( Jul 19 20:45:37 * lanfear shakes her head. Jul 19 20:46:19 <[Rui]> Since it's a meego device, I'm going to find someone with familiar experience in this device. Jul 19 20:52:58 [Rui]: what are you installing? MeeGo tablet? Jul 19 20:54:22 <[Rui]> Andyross nothing yet, I thought of giving it at least a week with the default meego system. Jul 19 20:54:57 The default system isn't really MeeGo. They started with an early MeeGo release at the kernel and middleware layer, but everything above the X server is custom. You'll need to get installation help from them. Jul 19 20:55:03 <[Rui]> Andyross, I just unboxed it and it's running its first time setup. Jul 19 20:55:24 But it makes an excellent toy to play with MeeGo tablet releases. We can help you with that if you like :) Jul 19 20:55:25 <[Rui]> Ah, there's a problem then. :-( Jul 19 20:55:36 the wetab people have a channel #wetab on devnde.net, but its pretty empty Jul 19 20:56:01 s/devnde/devnode/ Jul 19 20:56:01 berndhs meant: the wetab people have a channel #wetab on devnode.net, but its pretty empty Jul 19 20:56:58 <[Rui]> They should have one on free node but I guess that after making fake reviews on Amazon, it is a minor error :-) Jul 19 20:57:58 i don't know where they should be or not, but that's where they are Jul 19 20:58:05 <[Rui]> Ok. After almost two hours, I'm going to see what happens after I force a reboot, then I can ask some help on getting a more standard meego in it, ok? :-) Jul 19 21:03:01 X-Fade, my DE_Trunk builds in home:arfoll:opencpn aren't being pushed to repo.pub... :-( can you help? Jul 19 22:11:32 Anyone know why I'm getting: "Running non-meego graphics system enabled MeeGo touch, forcing native graphicssystem" Jul 19 22:11:47 I just created a simple meego touch app to test out Jul 19 22:16:15 anyone having OBS issues with packages not publishing to repo Jul 19 22:17:28 yes vgrade Jul 19 22:19:28 vgrade: arfoll was complaining about it bit more than an hour ago Jul 19 23:14:57 berndhs, I know the guys have been working hard on the update during the weekend and into Monday. I'll ping them tomorrow Jul 20 00:03:36 Hmmmm Jul 20 00:03:54 Newest QtSDK, I can't seem to find QWebView (c++) Jul 20 00:04:06 Strange Jul 20 00:04:13 Harmattan SDK*** Jul 20 00:14:42 Reffy: in your .pro file, do you have QT += webkit ? Jul 20 00:16:01 thiago: you're up late Jul 20 00:16:05 Ahhhh Jul 20 00:16:06 special: no, I'm not Jul 20 00:16:17 That wouldn't be the first time I forgot Jul 20 00:16:22 I'll never learn Jul 20 00:16:25 Thanks Jul 20 00:16:27 over in the US, then? Jul 20 00:16:37 special: no Jul 20 00:16:38 Brazil Jul 20 00:18:21 ah, interesting. Just business? Jul 20 01:29:17 I don't know if this is a good channel for N950-related topics ... but is Nokia's login system (apparently required for "maps" and "drive") down for everyone or just for me? Jul 20 01:29:49 and while I'm at it, has anyone else noticed that the onscreen keyboard is sometimes invisible in the Terminal App ? Jul 20 01:37:11 I need some help dualbooting meego and maemo Jul 20 01:37:23 Installed U-Boot, it works, boots maemo Jul 20 01:37:29 but when I go "run mmcboot" Jul 20 01:37:40 it doesnt boot it Jul 20 01:37:53 how can I setup the meego kernel to uboot? Jul 20 01:40:52 how can I setup the meego kernel to uboot? Jul 20 01:59:31 bemasc: #harmattan Jul 20 02:05:54 SpeedEvil: thanks. looks like a known bug. Jul 20 02:26:20 Hey! Jul 20 02:26:35 I have Samsung NF210 Jul 20 02:26:48 and ofcourse the backlight problem Jul 20 02:27:16 and also, when i hit fn + uparrow, it will disable my keyboard Jul 20 02:27:29 or maybe both up and down Jul 20 02:28:12 any solutions ? to get my backlight to work **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 20 02:59:57 2011