**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 23 02:59:57 2011
Jul 23 03:15:44 <xd13> man i think i have visual on an answer for the for the n9seconds but the video isn't sharp enough for me to figure it out
Jul 23 04:14:56 <rm_you> lbt / X-Fade: hey
Jul 23 05:23:13 <dm8tbr> Stskeeps: mind giving this jones- a friendly boot? or any other op for that matter
Jul 23 05:32:37 <rm_you> wow jones- is having some serious issues
Jul 23 05:37:48 <sofar> hope I got that right
Jul 23 05:37:59 <sofar> bah
Jul 23 05:40:09 <sofar> hmm
Jul 23 06:21:31 <KermitMei> Excuse me, I installed the last version(20110719) of Meego for tablet on (VPAD 10), but the touch screen is not well.  I don't know which driver can make it work well(From:http://lii-enac.fr/en/architecture/linux-input/multitouch-devices.html). Did anybody deal with it?
Jul 23 06:21:33 <KermitMei> Thanks
Jul 23 08:48:38 <vgrade> lbt, morning
Jul 23 08:48:47 <lbt> hey vgrade
Jul 23 08:49:51 * lbt just catching up on some work... then looking at the publishing mess and hopefully Apps and maybe some CE work
Jul 23 08:50:09 * lbt looks wistfully at his N950 ...
Jul 23 08:52:35 <vgrade> vgrade wishes he could help
Jul 23 10:20:53 <lcuk> lbt, do we need some kind of shopping/todo list on n950 to help you?
Jul 23 10:24:38 <lbt> :)
Jul 23 10:40:55 <vgrade> ExoPC IVI for Meego . http://t.co/CyqACsT
Jul 23 10:45:00 <dm8tbr> vgrade: it now has a new url which skips the whole 'disclaimer' bullshit: images.formeego.org (I might add some tamer version, that will happen together with the main page on www though)
Jul 23 11:54:44 <lcuk> is it known how much of the Swipe UI is open and usable in generic meego images?
Jul 23 11:58:42 <Elleo> is scheduling a bit broken on OBS at the moment? I've had two packages that just aren't getting scheduled since yesterday, despite attempting to manually trigger builds for them
Jul 23 11:59:00 <CosmoHill> Elleo: community or meego.com ?
Jul 23 11:59:09 <Elleo> or is it just something wrong with me/Harmattan stuff?
Jul 23 11:59:17 <Elleo> CosmoHill: build.pub.meego.com
Jul 23 12:05:31 <CosmoHill> Elleo: it's possible that the cobs isn't functioning properly, best speak to lbt or X-Fade
Jul 23 12:06:17 <lbt> Elleo: which ?
Jul 23 12:08:07 <Elleo> lbt: I have two packages, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=cdbs&project=home%3Aelleo <-- listed as unresolvable but that's from the previous upload, the latest upload just isn't being processed
Jul 23 12:08:30 <Elleo> then I tried creating https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=cdbs2&project=home%3Aelleo incase there was some issue with things previously listed as "unresolvable", but that never gets scheduled
Jul 23 12:09:36 <lbt> so where is ant and default-jdk coming from ?
Jul 23 12:09:38 <Elleo> I've tried running 'osc rebuild' on each, without any real effect
Jul 23 12:09:51 <Elleo> lbt: they're not, I've modified the package to remove the need for them
Jul 23 12:10:03 <Elleo> but the latest upload (which doesn't depend on them) isn't being processed
Jul 23 12:10:33 <lbt> ok
Jul 23 12:10:40 <Elleo> and I've checked and can build the package locally without the need for ant/jdk
Jul 23 12:11:47 <Elleo> cdbs is just a bunch of debian rule files for making packaging easier, so having it available would making porting lots of other packages (which depend on cdbs) much simpler
Jul 23 12:12:36 <lbt> *nod*
Jul 23 12:15:35 <lbt> goddam ... the scheduler is down
Jul 23 12:23:50 <lbt> Elleo: I've restarted the scheduler... it takes a while to cycle round due to a bug in OBS (newer version being used in maemo for Harmattan than pub.meego.com)
Jul 23 12:24:06 <lbt> if it's not running in 10 mins ... ping me
Jul 23 12:24:37 <Elleo> lbt: okay, thanks a lot :)
Jul 23 12:59:06 <Elleo> lbt: seems to be working perfectly now, thanks again
Jul 23 13:04:42 <CosmoHill> hmm, RAID 1 with 2 drives or RAID 5 with 3 drives for an extra £50ish
Jul 23 13:56:04 <Elleo> lbt: might have spoken too soon there, one that has built isn't being delivered to the repo (https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=python-scour&project=home%3Aelleo) and one that depends on it claims to be building but isn't really (https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=cdbs&project=home%3Aelleo)
Jul 23 13:58:02 <ysss> @Cosmo: what's the content... if it's for media, go for raid-5...
Jul 23 13:59:31 <CosmoHill> mixed, videos, computer backups, source files
Jul 23 14:00:12 <CosmoHill> aparantly you can override RAID1 metadata with RAID5 metadata and it will rebuild the array
Jul 23 14:06:08 <lcuk> vgrade, ping, the joggler image on http://images.formeego.org/joggler/ do I just plug in usb and bootup?
Jul 23 14:07:00 <vgrade> lcuk, sec while I check. its sometime since I did that
Jul 23 14:08:04 <lcuk> vgrade, since there is a readme there, if it does require more things perhaps filling in the readme would be good
Jul 23 14:09:22 <lbt> Elleo: *sigh* ... there are a lot of "not quite right" bits around... makes diagnosing this hard
Jul 23 14:09:31 <vgrade> yes those are very old images indeed with early emgd drivers.
Jul 23 14:09:40 <lbt> X-Fade isn't around this weekend and he's been managing the maemo OBS
Jul 23 14:10:14 <lbt> I killed it and saw some rpc timeouts.... not sure what causes that
Jul 23 14:10:42 <lbt> the worker certainly isn't building
Jul 23 14:10:43 <Elleo> lbt: there's no real rush from my end, I'm happy enough waiting, just wanted to make sure you were aware of any issues
Jul 23 14:11:13 <vgrade> lcuk, still, you should be able to write the netbook image to flash and boot.  I suggest a usb hub so you can get a kb on as well as the flask key
Jul 23 14:11:25 <Elleo> do packages not need to be published in repos for them to be picked up as valid dependencies for other builds?
Jul 23 14:11:27 <ysss> CosmoHill: are you buildilng a new system (naslike) or will that be an addition to an already running system of yours?
Jul 23 14:11:43 <Elleo> as the cdbs one started after the python-scour build finished despite it not having been sent to the repository
Jul 23 14:11:48 <lcuk> vgrade, ahh will just try and boot it up and see what it does
Jul 23 14:11:52 * lcuk looks for the psu
Jul 23 14:11:58 <Elleo> (although the cdbs one isn't actually doing anything)
Jul 23 14:12:05 <ysss> if it's a standalone file server, bsd's zfs implementation is really fast..
Jul 23 14:12:28 <CosmoHill> ysss: it will be a new server running linux
Jul 23 14:12:47 <CosmoHill> I'll probably use XFS like I do on my current server or JFS
Jul 23 14:12:50 <lbt> Elleo: no, publish happens when all packages are built. Intermediate results are available internally
Jul 23 14:14:02 <ysss> i've had experience with slow creeping bitrot that I try to use zfs (with at least weekly scrubbing) for my important files now... it was due to bad hardware (cable/controller)
Jul 23 14:15:39 <Elleo> lbt: ah okay
Jul 23 14:18:58 <CosmoHill> I had a bad IDE cable that caused the drive to run a 33MB/s, I replaced and found the controller only supported 66MB/s
Jul 23 14:30:13 <lbt> Elleo: building now
Jul 23 14:30:51 <Elleo> lbt: great, thanks :)
Jul 23 14:31:14 <lbt> what's annoying is I don't know why.
Jul 23 14:32:08 <Elleo> heh
Jul 23 14:33:09 <Elleo> I don't suppose it's something simple like one specific worker that never responds? So when things get scheduled to another worked they magically start working?
Jul 23 14:33:16 <Elleo> worker*
Jul 23 14:33:34 <lbt> no, it's not that
Jul 23 14:34:01 <lbt> it's either connectivity to maemo or local http issues
Jul 23 14:37:55 <CosmoHill> ysss: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/pastebin/index.php?9
Jul 23 14:41:49 <ysss> CosmoHill: do you have a separate boot drive? i haven't dabbled with manually setting up raid on linux lately, so i'm not sure how it's setup now; back when i tinkered with that, raid-1 is easier to recover when it also serve as the boot drive because either drives in the set can be used by itself.
Jul 23 14:42:32 <ysss> so that's one thing to consider/look into
Jul 23 14:43:08 <CosmoHill> my current server has the OS on a non-raid drive because the RAID was added later (alone with SATA), also it doesn't have an initramfs
Jul 23 14:43:45 <ysss> ah, i see it on your list now
Jul 23 14:45:39 <ysss> for me, between 2x2tb raid-1 vs 3x1tb raid-5 is a no brainer.. go for the raid-1. better protection, simpler, etc..
Jul 23 14:47:26 <CosmoHill> oh damn, forgot the Gbe NIC
Jul 23 14:48:16 <ysss> I'd get the raid-1 to store my important stuffs, then just get the extra 2TB standalone for my media. you live at a place with decent connection speed, right? so you can reget all the crap if it's ever lost.
Jul 23 14:49:10 <CosmoHill> it would be for backing up the family computers so as long as they don't die at the same time the server does
Jul 23 14:55:01 <ysss> are they all linux
Jul 23 14:55:24 <CosmoHill> nope, windows
Jul 23 14:59:13 <ysss> how will you back them up...
Jul 23 14:59:20 <CosmoHill> windows backup over samba
Jul 23 15:04:07 <ysss> can't help you there
Jul 23 15:04:17 <CosmoHill> don't worry, it's something I do already
Jul 23 15:05:01 * CosmoHill gives ysss a cookie for his help
Jul 23 15:05:33 <ysss> and a glass of milk please
Jul 23 15:05:42 * CosmoHill magics one up
Jul 23 15:05:55 <ysss> you're a gentleman, a scholar and apparently a magician too
Jul 23 15:06:43 <CosmoHill> that reminds me, I need to write documentation >.<
Jul 23 15:09:18 <ysss> well you need a wizard for that
Jul 23 15:12:44 <ysss> but seriously, for digital family assets (photos especially) do consider zfs.. it's the worst feeling when you think you have things backed up and protected, but a jpg shows up corrupted when you need it down the road.
Jul 23 16:00:50 <lcuk> bah LAMP stack installed, tinkering with it on localhost but php is rusty
Jul 23 16:05:47 <CosmoHill> Cars is on BBC1 in a moment
Jul 23 16:23:38 <DrHalan> hey guys. how am i able to get hands on the n950?
Jul 23 16:27:46 <javispedro> violence against a current n950 owner.
Jul 23 16:29:21 <DrHalan> sounds like an option.
Jul 23 16:29:38 <DrHalan> its just my n900s screen just broke :/ don't know if i should put any more money in that device
Jul 23 16:30:09 <DrHalan> the usb-port already cam off and I need to use an external charger which is kinda annoying
Jul 23 16:30:11 <Alison_Chaiken> DrHalan, I'd consider a new N900.
Jul 23 16:31:31 <DrHalan> Alison_Chaiken: the hardware of the n900 is a little outdated to buy a new device don't you think?
Jul 23 16:31:55 <javispedro> as is the n950's...
Jul 23 16:31:56 <CosmoHill> DrHalan: the last person who sent his N900 for repairs ended up with a N8
Jul 23 16:32:19 <DrHalan> really? Thought the n950 had the hardware of the n9
Jul 23 16:32:44 <Alison_Chaiken> DrHalan, the hardware of the N950 and N900 differ primarily in the touchscreen as far as I can make out.
Jul 23 16:33:08 <sheepbat> one has an omap 3430
Jul 23 16:33:10 <DrHalan> mh that sucks :/
Jul 23 16:33:12 <sheepbat> the other has an omap 3630
Jul 23 16:33:13 <Alison_Chaiken> Stskeeps and co-conspirators will prolly have MeeGo DE working on N900 first, which matters to me.
Jul 23 16:33:25 <DrHalan> but the hardware of the n9 is better?
Jul 23 16:33:30 <Alison_Chaiken> Both have SGX530 GPU.
Jul 23 16:33:54 <Alison_Chaiken> DrHalan, N9 has same processor, much better touchscreen and beautiful industrial design.
Jul 23 16:34:16 <sheepbat> and no keyboard
Jul 23 16:34:17 <javispedro> same touchscreen, but different screen
Jul 23 16:34:52 <javispedro> the one on the n950 is a 854x480 tft lcd
Jul 23 16:35:02 <Alison_Chaiken> Yeah, the N950 is the one I'd want, but my options tend toward the expensive or violent too!   But I have plenty of other toys to play with . . .
Jul 23 16:35:06 <javispedro> but the n9 has a 650*400something amoled
Jul 23 16:35:49 <Elleo> the n950 (and n9) are both 1.2Ghz as opposed to the 600Mhz in the n900
Jul 23 16:35:58 <javispedro> they are 1Ghz.
Jul 23 16:36:11 <Elleo> oh is it 1ghz?
Jul 23 16:36:17 <sheepbat> ..the n9 has a different resolution screen?
Jul 23 16:37:48 <javispedro> yes, it has pentile rgbg
Jul 23 16:38:13 <DrHalan> well 600 to 1000 mhz is a big difference
Jul 23 16:38:35 <DrHalan> i mean the n900 is pretty limited. I can't even run firefox on it properly
Jul 23 16:38:58 <Elleo> everything I can see lists the n9 as being 854x480
Jul 23 16:39:05 <Elleo> albeit amoled instead of tft
Jul 23 16:39:55 <Elleo> would be pretty strange for nokia to send out n950s with 854x480 screens and not mention that all our applications will actually need to work with 600x400 or similar
Jul 23 16:40:54 <javispedro> Elleo: they mention it
Jul 23 16:41:03 <Elleo> javispedro: where?
Jul 23 16:41:10 <javispedro> sdk release notes
Jul 23 16:42:21 <javispedro> "developers should avoid one pixel with fonts and graphical objects with lines one pixel wide"
Jul 23 16:43:19 <Elleo> that doesn't indicate a different resolution though
Jul 23 16:44:03 <Elleo> do you mean there's an effective resolution of 854x480 scalled down to a 650x400 display?
Jul 23 16:44:09 <javispedro> exactly.
Jul 23 16:44:14 <Elleo> ah right, that's not an issue then
Jul 23 16:44:37 <Elleo> I was worried about the actual effective resolution being different (so suddenly parts of my application are off screen, etc.)
Jul 23 16:45:48 <Elleo> "Also avoid
Jul 23 16:45:48 <Elleo> the extensive use of bright colors, especially white, when developing
Jul 23 16:45:48 <Elleo> for OLED displays as this increases the power consumption (typical
Jul 23 16:45:50 <Elleo> for OLED displays)."
Jul 23 16:45:59 <Elleo> oops, that was supposed to be a single line, sorry
Jul 23 16:46:16 <Elleo> ^ seems a bit silly that the default theme for the qml components is all white in that case though
Jul 23 16:46:39 <javispedro> well there's the inverted theme hwich is probably a css one-liner
Jul 23 16:47:01 <Elleo> yeah, but they should really make it the default if that's the prefered guideline
Jul 23 16:47:02 <berndhs> yeah the funeral parlor theme is much better
Jul 23 16:47:24 <Elleo> since I'll have to modify the colours of the various images in my application to match that now
Jul 23 17:33:11 <DrHalan> is there maybe an andorid device that meego runs on unoffically?
Jul 23 17:37:32 <Elleo> DrHalan: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2414
Jul 23 17:38:16 <Elleo> nexus s has some stuff working it seems: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Hummingbird but not really usable yet
Jul 23 17:39:19 <Elleo> DrHalan: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD <-- seems a bit more promising
Jul 23 17:42:59 <DrHalan> thanks
Jul 23 17:43:06 <DrHalan> what about aava devices. can i purchase them?
Jul 23 17:43:15 <CosmoHill> didn't aava go pop?
Jul 23 17:45:26 <CosmoHill> aparantly not
Jul 23 17:45:58 <Elleo> seif: python-telepathy is now all packaged up for harmattan and in my repo
Jul 23 17:46:48 <Elleo> rzr: I noticed you had a cdbs package that wasn't building in your repo, I've made a version that'll work against harmattan without needing to pull in lots of java stuff if you want to clone a copy: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=cdbs&project=home%3Aelleo
Jul 23 19:04:58 * CosmoHill pokes lcuk with a chop stick whilst waiting for the chinese to arrive
Jul 23 19:05:49 <berndhs> when are they coming ?
Jul 23 19:06:03 <CosmoHill> soon
Jul 23 19:06:07 * CosmoHill rubs his hands
Jul 23 19:07:11 * CosmoHill sits there with two chopsticks hanging out his mouth like thangs 
Jul 23 19:07:27 <Bostik> fangs?
Jul 23 19:07:36 <CosmoHill> yes, that
Jul 23 19:07:46 <Bostik> that'd be a sight
Jul 23 19:08:07 <CosmoHill> I'd take a picture but I had pictures of myself, and I have a beard
Jul 23 19:08:16 <berndhs> was watching Shanghai Noon just the other day
Jul 23 19:11:43 <berndhs> Xander Berkeley does a really convincing Lee Van Cleef in that one
Jul 23 19:28:38 <hexlotar> Does MeeGo have UVC driver(for camera)
Jul 23 19:32:41 <dm8tbr> hexlotar: depends on the adaptation if it's compiled
Jul 23 19:33:00 <antman8969> hey lbt, are you afk?
Jul 23 19:33:40 <antman8969> or anyone actually... does anyone know if the harmattan OBS target is supposed to be functional right now?
Jul 23 19:34:16 <dm8tbr> there have been some hickups recently
Jul 23 19:34:42 <antman8969> I've added the repo but It doesn't appear as an option to build against
Jul 23 19:34:49 <antman8969> have you used it recently?
Jul 23 19:35:28 <dm8tbr> haven't used it yet
Jul 23 19:36:24 <antman8969> lame
Jul 23 19:36:41 <antman8969> actuallyl it's the same problem as with Ubuntu 10.10 as a target... just doesn't appear for me to build against after i add it
Jul 23 20:11:45 <lbt> antman8969: I was
Jul 23 22:40:24 <berndhs> where does "meegolocale.h" come from ?
Jul 23 22:53:54 <CosmoHill> berndhs: try "rpm -qf /path/to.meegolocale.h"
Jul 23 22:54:27 <berndhs> hmm
Jul 23 22:54:36 <CosmoHill> nate@blue[1001]:~ $ rpm -qf /usr/lib/libc.so             glibc-2.8-1.i686
Jul 23 22:54:41 <CosmoHill> should look like that
Jul 23 22:55:04 <berndhs> says meegolabs-ux-components-liblocale-devel-0.2.19-1.12.i586
Jul 23 22:55:20 <CosmoHill> short and snappy I see
Jul 23 22:55:25 <berndhs> s/2.19/2.8.19
Jul 23 22:56:20 <berndhs> which package I am providing in c.obs, so perhaps some BuildRequires is missing
Jul 23 23:01:28 <berndhs> this is weird
Jul 23 23:01:41 <berndhs> i'm trying to build package C, which requires B
Jul 23 23:01:55 <berndhs> package B is built and published, no problems
Jul 23 23:02:29 <berndhs> building C fails saying that A required by B is not found
Jul 23 23:02:35 <berndhs> doesn't make sense
Jul 23 23:44:15 <Elleo> berndhs: B has a dependency on A that isn't satisfied and which wasn't also a build dependency (so wasn't needed when simply building B, but is needed for actually using it)
Jul 24 00:39:29 <berndhs> it gets worse, building A fails because nothing provides A needed by B
Jul 24 01:17:28 <antman8969> hmm... getting an rpc time out from the obs... anyone have an idea why?
Jul 24 01:18:42 <berndhs> looks like its up from here
Jul 24 01:19:59 <berndhs> this message looks wrong, trying to build meego-ux-components: "nothing provides meego-ux-components needed by meegolabs-ux-components"
Jul 24 01:20:13 <antman8969> hmm
Jul 24 01:20:23 <antman8969> very finicky
Jul 24 01:20:30 <berndhs> circular even
Jul 24 01:21:34 <berndhs> the spec files say that, the .meegolabs-ux..bla needs meego-ux..bla to be there to load meegolabs-ux..
Jul 24 01:23:06 <antman8969> is that the behavior you've been experiencing before today?
Jul 24 01:23:34 <berndhs> I just grabbed these from the main repo today, versions that were successfully built
Jul 24 01:24:02 <berndhs> says built on 2011-07-19
Jul 24 01:29:14 <berndhs> so looking at the spec files, the builder is right, this can't work
Jul 24 01:29:54 <berndhs> which leaves the question, how did it work on the main OBS
Jul 24 01:31:46 <antman8969> not rly sure whats going on
Jul 24 01:31:58 <antman8969> I can actually build rpms... but when I try to build a deb I get an rpc time out
Jul 24 01:32:17 <berndhs> sounds like an unrelated issue
Jul 24 01:32:35 <berndhs> i can build lots of rpms, just not these ones :)
Jul 24 01:35:19 <antman8969> lol
Jul 24 01:36:42 <berndhs> actually I can build them here with rpmbuild
Jul 24 01:36:57 <Termana> morning
Jul 24 01:37:15 <berndhs> lots of time, several hours
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