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Jul 24 03:15:36 <MaxwellsDemon> auke: you about?
Jul 24 03:16:13 <MaxwellsDemon> auke: send me a pm when you get back if you would
Jul 24 03:48:43 <MaxwellsDemon> so i am trying to install meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.0.90.3.20110607.2.img on my asus eee slate, and it seems to lock up when the bar gets to the end of "copying live image to hard drive" screen
Jul 24 03:49:56 <MaxwellsDemon> however i can run from the usb thumbdrive seemingly ok (except for it thinking my touchscreen is a touchpad, which is most annoying)
Jul 24 03:57:44 <MaxwellsDemon> actually, can someone tell me which version i should be trying to run? 1.2.0? 1.2.0.90?
Jul 24 04:28:13 <sofar> MaxwellsDemon: sup
Jul 24 04:28:16 <sofar> < -auke
Jul 24 04:28:55 <sofar> MaxwellsDemon: 1.2.0.90 is 1.2.0 with extra patches (the pre-1.2.1 update version)
Jul 24 04:29:01 <sofar> both should be fine
Jul 24 04:29:49 <MaxwellsDemon> sofar: i pulled the newest tablet build of 1.2.0.90, going to try it again to see if it will install on the drive this time
Jul 24 04:30:45 <MaxwellsDemon> sofar: but i am 90% sure that my touchscreen problems are because it thinks it is a touchpad instead
Jul 24 04:31:06 <MaxwellsDemon> i mean i dont have a mouse pointer to confirm, but several other live distros all make that mistake
Jul 24 04:31:41 <sofar> MaxwellsDemon: I'm trying to allocate some budget to purchase a few of them so we can work on support for those units specifically
Jul 24 04:31:56 <MaxwellsDemon> sofar: they are a nice machine
Jul 24 04:32:00 <sofar> it'll be a bit before I can actually help you more than just irv
Jul 24 04:32:03 <sofar> irc*
Jul 24 04:32:07 <sofar> yeah, specs look nice
Jul 24 04:32:55 <MaxwellsDemon> sofar: i was going to post to the bug tracker, but was going to check with you on what you guys would want/need, once i get it installed
Jul 24 04:33:17 <MaxwellsDemon> or if i dont get it installed then i will get the info from the live boot
Jul 24 04:33:19 <sofar> first of all, bugs for everything that doesn't work
Jul 24 04:33:44 <sofar> second of all, stuff like lspci/lsusb and dmesg dumps (preferably with debugging options on for more density)
Jul 24 04:34:28 <MaxwellsDemon> once i get it installed, can i make the mouse pointer visible? or is it hard set in the meego environment to not show?
Jul 24 04:35:48 <sofar> you can edit /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch
Jul 24 04:35:56 <sofar> and remove the xopts=-nocursor line
Jul 24 04:36:04 <MaxwellsDemon> cool
Jul 24 04:36:15 <sofar> tbh we should not even have that option in there
Jul 24 04:36:28 <sofar> the UX should set the cursor to hidden itself
Jul 24 04:37:47 <sofar> MaxwellsDemon: also, you should try and see if a pre-1.3 image works better for you
Jul 24 04:39:33 <sofar> unfortunately tablet images don't build atm
Jul 24 04:39:45 <sofar> but, you can always use a netbook image and then install that
Jul 24 04:39:53 <sofar> and then add the tablet packages on top of that
Jul 24 04:41:43 <MaxwellsDemon> cool
Jul 24 04:41:47 <MaxwellsDemon> might check that out
Jul 24 04:41:52 <MaxwellsDemon> i was also going to give it a go on my netbook
Jul 24 04:42:05 <sofar> the reason I'm suggesting that is that 1.3pre images have a newer kernel
Jul 24 04:42:11 <sofar> so you might have better driver support
Jul 24 04:42:15 <sofar> (or not)
Jul 24 04:47:02 <sofar> MaxwellsDemon: I see some posts saying that the touchscreen driver works with evtouch
Jul 24 04:47:49 <MaxwellsDemon> interesting
Jul 24 04:47:55 <MaxwellsDemon> i wonder what driver it is attempting to use?
Jul 24 04:48:10 <sofar> anyway, it's weekend for me, so, no work ;)
Jul 24 04:48:13 * sofar is afk
Jul 24 04:48:32 <MaxwellsDemon> have fun
Jul 24 04:48:34 <MaxwellsDemon> :)
Jul 24 05:20:57 <MaxwellsDemon> ok got it installed and i have the mouse pointer visible
Jul 24 05:21:05 <MaxwellsDemon> it is indeed treating it like a touchpad
Jul 24 05:21:10 <MaxwellsDemon> annoying
Jul 24 05:21:18 <MaxwellsDemon> but i can fix that if eztouch will work
Jul 24 05:21:36 <MaxwellsDemon> my problem now is that the user interface seems to be expecting me to have a much higher resolution than i have
Jul 24 05:21:48 <MaxwellsDemon> my tablet has a 1280x800 display
Jul 24 05:22:52 <MaxwellsDemon> i suppose i should make sure it is actually launching X/weyland/whichever it is using at 1280x800
Jul 24 05:22:52 <antman8969> could anyone tell me what the api url for the osc config file should look like?
Jul 24 05:39:26 <sofar> https://api.meego.com/
Jul 24 05:43:29 <antman8969> thats what I thought.... and if I wanted to see my packages it would be osc ls?
Jul 24 05:43:43 <antman8969> thers a problem somewhere then
Jul 24 05:45:09 <antman8969> ooh just got it working.... api.pub.meego.com
Jul 24 06:40:28 <antman8969> lbt lurking around here atm?
Jul 24 06:40:44 <MSM> No lurking
Jul 24 06:40:59 <MSM> You must contribute
Jul 24 09:15:52 * rzr is back
Jul 24 09:35:30 <SatanR1> Monring all :)
Jul 24 09:38:57 <SatanR1> anyone about?
Jul 24 09:50:43 <vgrade> morning
Jul 24 09:51:30 <vgrade> main OBS down again
Jul 24 09:56:34 <dm8tbr> ok, I break down... who wants to have #meego-dashboard here on IRC?
Jul 24 09:56:52 <dm8tbr> I'd park a nagios bot there so we can get real-time info on downtime
Jul 24 09:57:21 <dm8tbr> and if someone helps me I could export the nagios status into a dashboard too
Jul 24 10:50:35 <lbt> dm8tbr: hah!  I put "nagios monitoring" onto our teams todo list yesterday :)
Jul 24 11:28:35 <dm8tbr> lbt: too late, I'm done ;)
Jul 24 11:29:30 <lbt> cool - can you publish the plugin details?
Jul 24 11:40:13 <lcuk> lbt, was the obs downtime planned?
Jul 24 11:44:45 <spenap> lbt or X-Fade: I'd like to set up a OBS repository. My username is spenap, and I'm developing butaca (open source application). (Don't know if this downtime lcuk mentions is currently preventing new accounts to be added)
Jul 24 11:48:07 <lbt> spenap: done
Jul 24 11:48:20 <spenap> thanks
Jul 24 11:48:33 <lbt> however yes, the main OBS downtime will impact the community OBS... you should be fine if you target the released 1.2
Jul 24 11:48:45 <lbt> it will be slow though
Jul 24 11:49:18 <CosmoHill> lbt: what is up with the cobs? (so I can parrot the information to others)
Jul 24 11:52:06 <lbt> CosmoHill: nothing :) ... but the main OBS is down. That means the schedulers timeout on every connection attempt. And a *lot* of people link to the main OBS
Jul 24 11:52:39 <lbt> bad design in the OBS but not something that's come to light until recently
Jul 24 11:58:58 <dm8tbr> lbt: yeah, still figuring out a few details, also doesn't help that I don't know if there are load balancers or reverse proxies involved
Jul 24 12:04:54 <CosmoHill> F1 race is starting toon
Jul 24 12:05:13 * SpeedEvil imagines a toon F1 race.
Jul 24 12:05:29 <CosmoHill> (2 mins)
Jul 24 12:07:11 <lcuk> CosmoHill, which GP today?
Jul 24 12:07:24 <CosmoHill> Nuringberg
Jul 24 12:07:33 <lcuk> it would be great to goto proper n950 event with all the cameras
Jul 24 12:07:44 <lcuk> and let everyone spend the day doing stuff
Jul 24 12:08:03 <lcuk> and build a whole cool data grid from everything
Jul 24 12:08:16 * lcuk has wanted this kind of app for ages
Jul 24 12:18:50 <dm8tbr> lbt: cobs is evidently up but doesn't respond to ping, is that intended?
Jul 24 12:18:55 <lbt> yes
Jul 24 12:19:04 <lbt> it could
Jul 24 12:20:17 <dm8tbr> security through obscurity, making life harder, every day
Jul 24 12:21:26 <lbt> close down everything. open what's needed.
Jul 24 12:21:47 <lbt> Nagios runs internally and there's no need for external ping
Jul 24 12:24:13 <dm8tbr> well the need for externally accessible infrastructure state is there
Jul 24 12:24:24 <dm8tbr> especially with core OBS being flakey as it is
Jul 24 12:24:35 <dm8tbr> else we wouldn't get tons of people asking
Jul 24 12:24:46 <dm8tbr> is this down, is that down
Jul 24 12:25:19 <lbt> and if it answers on ping and not on 443 then ....
Jul 24 12:25:28 <lbt> service is up \o/
Jul 24 12:25:34 <dm8tbr> I don't see the nagios state exported anywhere, so I intend to run my own that is not kept under a shroud of pretended security by obscurity
Jul 24 12:25:34 <lbt> oh wait, no, its' not
Jul 24 12:25:50 <lbt> not in the mood
Jul 24 12:26:00 <lbt> l8r
Jul 24 12:26:03 <dm8tbr> k
Jul 24 12:48:05 <SatanR1> hello everyone! anyone with a working U100 setup?
Jul 24 12:51:55 <dm8tbr> what's a U100?
Jul 24 12:58:16 <SatanR1> dm8tbr, it's the MSI U100 Wind Netbook
Jul 24 12:59:18 <dm8tbr> aha, no don't have that
Jul 24 12:59:29 <dm8tbr> if it's all intel chips inside it might just-work(tm)
Jul 24 13:00:50 <mohammedalieng_> dm8tr, are u sure ?
Jul 24 13:02:56 <berndhs> it will have a heat problem due to having too many stickers on it
Jul 24 13:04:48 <CosmoHill> MeeGo is a live image so you might as well give it a go, you've not nothing to lose
Jul 24 13:12:38 <SatanR1> I've got it running on my netbook, but the trackpad doens't work.
Jul 24 13:12:49 <SatanR1> It's a confirmed bug, although it worked right up till the first reboot! :(
Jul 24 13:13:08 <SatanR1> This bug here : https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2547
Jul 24 13:13:11 <MeeGoBot> Bug 2547 cri, Medium, ---, wesley.werner, ASSI, The trackpad of the MSI Wind U100 doesn't work
Jul 24 13:41:20 <lcuk> lbt, Teleca, I have heard it for most recent week or so
Jul 24 13:41:23 <lcuk> what/where is it?
Jul 24 14:18:57 <lbt> lcuk: They're a larg-ish consultancy/delivery organisation. International - Russia/India/Germany/Asia/...  I'm working with the (small) German group.
Jul 24 14:35:29 <lcuk> lbt, meego related installation?
Jul 24 15:32:00 <lbt> lcuk: yes
Jul 24 16:22:15 <spenap> Elleo, hi: I read your post http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=26986 where you mention that you've got cdbs into OBS, and that by cloning it, packages depending on cdbs should build
Jul 24 16:22:26 <spenap> cloning is "branching"?
Jul 24 16:37:18 <Elleo> spenap: yeah, I believe so
Jul 24 16:38:31 <Elleo> spenap: iirc you should be able to go to the packages list in your home, select "Create a new package based on an existing one" and enter the various details
Jul 24 16:39:33 <Elleo> otherwise there's a "Branch package" link in the drop down list next to the package but from playing with it I think that might put things in a separate project
Jul 24 16:39:48 <Elleo> so I don't know if it'd still be accessible to other things you're trying to build that way
Jul 24 16:40:57 <Elleo> the details you'd need are "Name of original project: elleo:home, Name of package in original project: cdbs"
Jul 24 16:41:13 <Elleo> then you should be able to leave the target name blank and it'll just call it cdbs
Jul 24 16:41:38 <Elleo> err, that should be home:elleo not elleo:home
Jul 24 17:13:10 <lbt> Elleo: so why not think about putting cdbs into Surrounds:Testing ?
Jul 24 17:13:53 <Elleo> lbt: how do you I do that?
Jul 24 17:14:06 <Elleo> s/you//
Jul 24 17:14:07 <infobot> Elleo meant: lbt: how do  I do that?
Jul 24 17:14:18 <lbt> make a commitment that you'll maintain it :)
Jul 24 17:14:45 <lbt> then ask me and x-fade to make a decision
Jul 24 17:15:00 <Elleo> well I guess I will, there's not really much to that package it's just some build helpers that a number of debian packages use
Jul 24 17:15:02 <lbt> I think a bug makes sense
Jul 24 17:15:44 <Elleo> lbt: I take it this Surrounds stuff applied to Harmattan then?
Jul 24 17:15:58 <lbt> you may also suggest what criteria should apply - ie what should we (as a community) be looking for when someone proposes a package
Jul 24 17:16:10 <Elleo> as that's all I've built/tested the package for (and it doesn't make much sense for RPM based stuff)
Jul 24 17:16:15 <lbt> I think we need a Harmattan-specific Surrounds
Jul 24 17:16:26 <lbt> policy would be the same though
Jul 24 17:17:47 <lbt> ie if some random spod proposes they "maintain" say python3 ... what lets us decide yes/no?
Jul 24 17:19:13 <Elleo> not sure what's reasonable policy-wise, most of the big distros seem to do stuff via a mentor/sponsor type arrangement mostly from what I've seen
Jul 24 17:19:42 <Elleo> where someone trusted checks new people's packages and "sponsors" them for inclusion, then after a number of good packages they're given more direct control over them
Jul 24 17:20:26 <lbt> makes sense ... but we need to build up some size
Jul 24 17:21:12 <Elleo> yeah, that only works if you've got a good trusted/experienced:new person ratio
Jul 24 17:21:18 <lbt> Maybe look for people who support the concept and have some packages in Extras
Jul 24 17:21:28 <spenap> Elleo, thanks for the info, I'll do it now :)
Jul 24 17:21:58 <lbt> I'd be happy for a group of devs to propose a small group to work with X-Fade and I to do that
Jul 24 17:23:44 <s-andy> Hello, I have troubles launching runtimes - it gives Segmentation fault: invalid fake_pbuffer
Jul 24 17:23:51 * Stskeeps relaxes in front of laptop
Jul 24 17:24:03 <lbt> hey Stskeeps .. thought you were in the mountains?
Jul 24 17:24:07 <Stskeeps> lbt: came back now
Jul 24 17:24:17 <lbt> good trip ?
Jul 24 17:24:30 <Stskeeps> was okay
Jul 24 17:24:34 <Stskeeps> plenty of time to think
Jul 24 17:24:53 <lbt> lots to think about atm
Jul 24 17:25:42 * lbt been watching the growth of people building apps on the c.obs
Jul 24 17:26:05 * Stskeeps is playing with some ideas surrounding RDF
Jul 24 17:29:00 <Stskeeps> hopefully i can begin to prototype some stuff soon, really looking forward to having some glue between my devices
Jul 24 17:34:48 <Elleo> lbt: okay, I've filed: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21778 hope that's roughly what you were after
Jul 24 17:34:52 <MeeGoBot> Bug 21778 enh, Undecided, ---, maemo, NEW, Place cdbs package from home:elleo into Surrounds:Testing for Harmattan
Jul 24 17:37:21 <s-andy> Can anyone help with segfault when running runtime? I guess it's a known issue?
Jul 24 17:44:21 <spenap> Elleo, after branching this cdbs, it now complains with unresolvable «nothing provides python-scour»
Jul 24 17:44:46 <Elleo> spenap: ah yeah sorry, forgot to mention you'll need to branch that too
Jul 24 17:44:49 <Elleo> it's in my repository
Jul 24 17:44:52 <spenap> :)
Jul 24 17:44:58 <spenap> no problem, will do that
Jul 24 17:47:51 <lbt> Elleo: thanks
Jul 24 17:48:27 <Elleo> no worries :)
Jul 24 18:27:57 <lcuk> i just got back from another meego meetup in manchester
Jul 24 18:28:06 <lcuk> the beer in the Knott bar gets better each time
Jul 24 18:28:15 <lcuk> and their bacon sandwiches are awesome
Jul 24 18:29:19 <berndhs> i'm hungry
Jul 24 18:32:22 <vgrade> lcuk, \o
Jul 24 19:06:27 <mtd> lbt: is this the right place to ask about MeeGo Community OBS accounts?
Jul 24 19:08:04 <CosmoHill> mtd: yes, just tell him your username
Jul 24 19:08:59 <dm8tbr> and what you intend to do with that account
Jul 24 19:11:39 <mtd> CosmoHill: thanks
Jul 24 19:12:07 <mtd> lbt: my meego.com username is mdengler and I'm in the N950 community device program, and I'd like to request a c.obs account please.
Jul 24 19:12:39 <CosmoHill> mtd: this is for open source, correct?
Jul 24 19:20:06 <lbt> mtd: done
Jul 24 19:44:10 <lcukn900> hey what is the way to lookup default system font on a device?
Jul 24 19:44:34 <lcukn900> since obviously this ideapad does not have nokia sans or even pure
Jul 24 19:53:58 <lcukn900> o_O droid sans is sortof readable
Jul 24 19:56:13 <berndhs> monospace
Jul 24 19:57:30 <berndhs> don't you have your own handwriting font ?
Jul 24 20:13:45 <lcuk> berndhs, yeah I do
Jul 24 20:14:23 <lcuk> but I installed libliqbase on a system without liqbook initially (n950) and had to deal with fonts again
Jul 24 20:14:54 <lcuk> n900 was ok because of nokia sans, i think the n950 has it too but haven't looked in depth, my meego netbook install hasn't got fonts
Jul 24 20:14:54 <lcuk> etc
Jul 24 20:15:22 <berndhs> force everything into your handwriting font :)
Jul 24 20:15:56 <lcuk> berndhs, i do
Jul 24 20:16:06 <lcuk> once liqbook is installed the whole UX is in handwriting
Jul 24 20:16:14 <lcuk> once liqtutor is installed it can be in yours too
Jul 24 20:16:17 <lcuk> but that is a nother matter
Jul 24 20:16:39 <lcuk> reading Larry Niven books in my own handwriting is a bit odd
Jul 24 20:16:52 <lcuk> so either we get Larry to release his own sketchfont
Jul 24 20:16:57 <lcuk> (which will come later)
Jul 24 20:17:02 <Venemo> :D
Jul 24 20:17:08 <lcuk> or I find a generic system font :P
Jul 24 20:17:12 <berndhs> he'll probably do it for a small fee
Jul 24 20:17:17 <lcuk> sure
Jul 24 20:17:29 <lcuk> would improve reading immensely
Jul 24 20:17:37 <lcuk> and a whole industry of personal books
Jul 24 20:18:16 <lcuk> berndhs, once the sketchfont trainer works better
Jul 24 20:18:24 <lcuk> and normal folks get to putting their fonts in
Jul 24 20:18:37 <lcuk> so other people can too
Jul 24 20:18:40 <berndhs> sure it would be a good way to persnalize their phones
Jul 24 20:18:44 <lcuk> it is
Jul 24 20:18:45 <Venemo> and once it'll support accented letters...
Jul 24 20:18:51 <lcuk> my liqbase stuff is totally handwritten
Jul 24 20:19:16 <lcuk> Venemo, it is only my poor code which restricts it to ascii at present
Jul 24 20:19:27 <lcuk> get the code for liqtutor and submit patches :)
Jul 24 20:19:47 <lcuk> but anyway, I am going to read Larry Niven book in my handwriting bbl
Jul 24 20:19:48 <berndhs> does the code have to 32-bit-int-pointers in it ?
Jul 24 20:20:10 <Venemo> :)
Jul 24 20:20:15 <lcuk> berndhs, the fileformat is textual identifier actually
Jul 24 20:20:26 <lcuk> so that can store "smile" as a single glyph
Jul 24 20:20:30 <lcuk> and find proper use for it later
Jul 24 20:20:57 <berndhs> sounds like the right way to do it
Jul 24 20:21:14 <berndhs> i looked at some of your code maybe a year ago, it had that issue with ints and pointers
Jul 24 20:22:00 <lcuk> berndhs,
Jul 24 20:22:05 <lcuk> it propbably still does
Jul 24 20:22:20 <lcuk> but it works for me and I try where possible to tweak and polish what is there
Jul 24 20:22:25 <berndhs> yeah if you operate only on 32 bit, you might not notice
Jul 24 20:22:32 <lcuk> it is just my host app for my sketches
Jul 24 20:22:40 <lcuk> indeed, I have no 64b machines
Jul 24 20:22:56 <lcuk> kotzcarny has offered some patches in the past
Jul 24 20:23:34 <berndhs> i think it was only a few things, but those were in a lot of places
Jul 24 20:23:37 <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/liq.20110621_200232.codebox4.scr.png is example handwriting btw
Jul 24 20:23:57 <lcuk> not really, from memory, there is a tag variable which is an int32
Jul 24 20:24:08 <lcuk> and used as a pointer in random places
Jul 24 20:24:21 <lcuk> a great many minor tweaks were ironed out by w00t actually
Jul 24 20:24:29 <lcuk> he offered an amazing patch
Jul 24 20:24:34 <berndhs> that's the one i remember, and the proliferation of it
Jul 24 20:24:41 <lcuk> which changed from using the gcc c compiler
Jul 24 20:24:45 <lcuk> to g++ c++ compiler
Jul 24 20:24:55 <lcuk> so the more strict code actually helped immensely
Jul 24 20:25:52 <berndhs> oh sure, it helps
Jul 24 20:25:58 <lcuk> I have been tinkering this weekend with datasync
Jul 24 20:26:11 <lcuk> i have the calendar pushing once again to webserver
Jul 24 20:26:20 <berndhs> you can still do sloppy-seeming things in c++, but you have to do it on purpose :)
Jul 24 20:26:22 <lcuk> and I have webserver actually rendering calendar serverside
Jul 24 20:26:28 <lcuk> yes
Jul 24 20:26:48 <lcuk> i try where possible to tidy things up
Jul 24 20:27:00 <lcuk> moving to the ideapad as principle development has helped actually
Jul 24 20:27:25 <Damion3> laterz
Jul 24 20:27:29 <lcuk> because it gave me a chance to cleanuip the dev folder
Jul 24 20:27:36 <lcuk> anyway, going reading, nn \o
Jul 24 20:27:42 <berndhs> later
Jul 24 20:39:04 <berndhs> whose brilliant idea was it to put colons (:) in all the OBS path names ?
Jul 24 20:39:18 <berndhs> what a royal pain
Jul 24 20:53:32 <lbt> berndhs: I hate it
Jul 24 20:53:46 <lbt> there is an option somewhere to convert them to _ on checkout
Jul 24 20:53:59 <berndhs> if there was something to be gained by it, ok, but what would that be ?
Jul 24 20:54:13 <lbt> and actually some gnu tools (automake iirc) won't build if the path has a :
Jul 24 20:54:33 <lbt> berndhs: age old opensuse thing.... novell netware shares?
Jul 24 20:54:53 <berndhs> DOS disk letters probably
Jul 24 20:55:50 <lbt> :)
Jul 24 21:01:30 <Venemo> could someone please answer me this? http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24808&postcount=20
Jul 24 21:46:23 <mosty> is there a safe way to maximise a qt widget in the meego netbook window manager? showMaximized() doesn't always work- depending on how many times i call it and showNormal() i get strange results
Jul 24 22:06:36 <MohammadAG> mosty, check if there's a bug report, showMaximized() works well on other window managers
Jul 24 22:48:01 <berndhs> what is this mic2 issue:  Error copying timezone info from '/var/tmp/imgcr... ?
Jul 24 22:48:10 <berndhs> doesn't make any sense
Jul 24 23:05:38 <gabrbedd> berndhs: out of disk space?  (For the image or your hard drive)
Jul 24 23:05:47 * gabrbedd is just guessing, though.
Jul 24 23:05:49 <berndhs> nope, plenty of space
Jul 24 23:06:27 <berndhs> something wrong with mic dealing with the tzdata, or perhaps some unrelated issue and bad error message
Jul 24 23:33:44 <gabrbedd> berndhs: does it persist if you clean out the bootstrap? (rm -rf /var/cache/meego-bootstrap)
Jul 24 23:34:21 <berndhs> it seems to go away with a slightly different collection of installed packages
Jul 24 23:35:17 <berndhs> I think its actually a problem someplace else, just shows up as timezone stuff
Jul 24 23:36:23 <gabrbedd> berndhs: Yeah, with mic... an error message like that can sometimes mean "you left the meatloaf on the stove overnight."
Jul 24 23:36:46 <berndhs> i'm trying to replace meego-ux-panels with my own copy of it
Jul 24 23:37:11 <berndhs> so its quite likely that causes dependency problems, but not really with tzdata like that
Jul 24 23:39:14 <gabrbedd> bernd-ux-panels ?
Jul 24 23:39:27 <berndhs> geuzen-ux-panels :)
Jul 24 23:39:52 <berndhs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geuzen
Jul 24 23:40:22 <gabrbedd> :-)
Jul 24 23:40:59 <berndhs> pirates for the marine ux stuff
Jul 24 23:41:11 <gabrbedd> berndhs: so are you also hacking geuzen-ux-daemon?
Jul 24 23:41:29 <berndhs> perhaps later, for now I just copy meego-ux-daemon
Jul 24 23:41:59 <berndhs> just starting to look where the differences need to be, I want them as high up as possible in these layers
Jul 24 23:42:32 <berndhs> panel seems a likely place, but perhaps ux-daemon is better
Jul 24 23:42:51 <gabrbedd> berndhs: just asking, that's all.
Jul 24 23:43:04 <gabrbedd> berndhs: been a few days since I figured out how they were all interlinked.
Jul 24 23:43:09 <berndhs> one issue is that none of the tablet ux is in c.obs, to I have my own opies
Jul 24 23:43:50 <berndhs> the inter-linkage is, let's say, interesting
Jul 24 23:44:24 <gabrbedd> berndhs: I've been told that you /can/ clone m.obs projects with osc.
Jul 24 23:44:39 <gabrbedd> ...that you can access m.obs anonymously for cloning to c.obs
Jul 24 23:44:48 * gabrbedd has never tried it, though.
Jul 24 23:44:50 <berndhs> you can? that would be a lot better than copuying all this stuff
Jul 24 23:45:41 <gabrbedd> berndhs: yeah, there's something you can do in your osc config where you can set up multiple sites to interface with.
Jul 24 23:46:13 <berndhs> have to find out about that
Jul 24 23:46:32 <gabrbedd> berndhs: but since you're forking... I personally prefer to manage that with git.
Jul 24 23:46:45 <berndhs> right now i built a tablet image without any ux-panel, should be as broken as it gets :)
Jul 24 23:47:05 <gabrbedd> berndhs: when upstream has a new release, you rebase your topic branches and move on down the road.
Jul 24 23:47:38 <berndhs> yeah the actual code fork should be in gitorious with git, right now i'm just working on infrastructure things
Jul 24 23:48:58 <gabrbedd> berndhs: when I forked meego-ux-daemon, I would make branches like master-0.23, features-0.23, branding-0.23
Jul 24 23:49:48 <gabrbedd> berndhs: when I wanted to progress to upstream 0.24, I would copy those branches to -0.24, and rebase each of them on top of upstream's 0.24
Jul 24 23:49:51 <berndhs> don't I have to rename the package to get zypper/mic/rpm to pick up my version ?
Jul 24 23:50:28 <gabrbedd> No, you just have to make the version number higher...
Jul 24 23:50:46 <gabrbedd> The reason to rename is the MeeGo(tm) trademark in the package name.
Jul 24 23:50:51 <berndhs> yeah but that will conflict with the main stream eventually
Jul 24 23:51:03 <gabrbedd> what will conflict?
Jul 24 23:51:16 <berndhs> when they get to the version numbers I usurped
Jul 24 23:51:35 <gabrbedd> Right... I don't recommend that strategy... but it would work. :-)
Jul 24 23:52:03 <berndhs> but of course I have to avoid trademark stuff too, can't pass of my things as bing MeeGo (tm) when they aren't
Jul 24 23:52:13 <gabrbedd> In my example above... the branding-0.xx branch is where I s/meego/somethingelse/g
Jul 24 23:52:44 <gabrbedd> That way I could rebrand, add features, and also track upstream developments.
Jul 24 23:52:53 <berndhs> right
Jul 24 23:52:55 * gabrbedd will bbiab
Jul 25 00:29:47 <berndhs> hmm, my .ks file says "-meego-ux-panels-photos" and mic goes and installs meego-ux-panels-photos anyway
Jul 25 01:42:31 <Termana> morning
Jul 25 01:42:58 <berndhs> eventually, you will be right about that
Jul 25 01:43:52 <Termana> berndhs, heh. Haven't you heard of ugt? :p
Jul 25 01:44:16 <berndhs> on sunday ?
Jul 25 01:45:02 <Termana> What would it being a Sunday (there) have anything to do with it? :p
Jul 25 01:45:27 <berndhs> i guess its something like "seasons greetings"
Jul 25 01:47:22 <Termana> ~ugt
Jul 25 01:47:23 <infobot> [ugt] Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
Jul 25 01:48:17 <berndhs> or, people can say "moin", derived from Frisian, and sounds a bit like "morning" in German
Jul 25 01:48:34 <berndhs> actually means something completely different
Jul 25 01:49:31 <berndhs> time of day is inherently unstable anyway
Jul 25 02:01:42 <berndhs> well, i'm behind schedule for my afternoon nap
Jul 25 02:01:49 <berndhs> until tomorrow
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