**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 28 02:59:57 2011 Jul 28 03:01:29 meivi, that's not something you go and tell a room full of employees at the same company. That is, if your whois information is anything to go by Jul 28 03:02:08 :) Jul 28 03:02:23 Yea, i know my proxy is listed. Still, im bored Jul 28 03:02:39 Internships - unpaid - is a fairly toxic concept. Jul 28 03:02:59 actually im getting paid.. Jul 28 03:03:11 Unpaid internships are illegal in Australia, I thought there would be some sort of the same thing in the US Jul 28 03:03:43 can anyone help me with the gstreamer thing... Jul 28 03:04:25 meivi, well, it's like 11pm there at the moment isn't it? Is that possibly why you are bored? :p Jul 28 03:04:48 nope, 11 am here Jul 28 03:07:23 well it's 11:00 PM here. Good Night All! Jul 28 03:53:25 mmm... Jul 28 03:54:08 anybody knows if the meego netbook version is or recently was in some freeze mode state? Jul 28 04:10:46 /last stsk Jul 28 04:10:52 /last stsk Jul 28 04:10:54 .. Jul 28 04:21:22 * dm8tbr passes Stskeeps a jug of espresso Jul 28 04:21:30 thanks Jul 28 04:21:31 Stskeeps, not a terminal window :p Jul 28 04:22:48 (on reflection that doesn't look like something you would be doing in a terminal window and also since you irssi, that would probably be incorrect anyway) Jul 28 04:22:55 you use* Jul 28 04:23:22 irssi has /last :P Jul 28 04:23:27 very useful for seeing what highlighted you Jul 28 04:23:39 Ulf^: was already asleep at that point :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 28 04:47:30 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 28 04:42:15 2011 Jul 28 04:57:44 question for you folks… in the qt project file, what is maemo6 harmattans make spec? I see maemo5, symbian, unix, etc Jul 28 04:58:00 meego, maemo6, harmattan, etc don't work Jul 28 04:58:17 ask in #harmattan ? Jul 28 04:58:25 k Jul 28 05:02:42 * Stskeeps stretches Jul 28 05:02:55 * sofar fiddles with bootchart Jul 28 05:04:13 good thing about summers: way more time to actually stablize meego core as everyone's gone :P Jul 28 05:14:11 morning Jul 28 05:15:03 morn Jul 28 05:23:52 Stskeeps: since all the kernels are fubar, plenty to do :/ Jul 28 05:25:35 :nod: Jul 28 05:26:03 when sage's back we'll get the core-armv7hl images up and running so we can start verifying things work there Jul 28 05:26:11 i think i'm on some ancient snapshot Jul 28 05:27:39 alright, I prettified bootchart some more Jul 28 05:27:43 Even funnier: QtSDK does not let me create a Windows app target Jul 28 05:27:53 the pss option now also paints a top #10 PSS users table at the top Jul 28 05:27:59 Only offers Harmattan, then fails in dh_make Jul 28 05:28:00 and the labels should be more readable Jul 28 05:28:01 cool Jul 28 05:28:20 also Jul 28 05:28:38 Stskeeps: I now calculate the size properly so you can use chrome to super-fast display them properly Jul 28 05:28:49 chrome has an insanely good svg rendering engine Jul 28 05:29:00 :nod: Jul 28 05:29:21 Ok, uninstalling QtSDK. Unusable. Jul 28 05:29:42 * Stskeeps tries to find out why xbmc configure commits suicide mid-configure Jul 28 05:29:49 http://foo-projects.org/~sofar/bootchart-20110727-2219.svg Jul 28 05:29:58 xbmc isn't easy to build Jul 28 05:30:30 yeah.. but it thinks sizeof int is 0 Jul 28 05:30:32 which is pretty fun Jul 28 05:30:48 haha Jul 28 05:30:55 n900 data types ;) Jul 28 05:30:56 Oh, it gets even funnier: instead of uninstalling asrequested, this thing offers you to install more features Jul 28 05:31:08 sofar: it would certainly explain memory usage ;) Jul 28 05:33:07 names Jul 28 05:33:13 fail Jul 28 05:33:25 ukas: ? Jul 28 05:33:42 missing / ;) Jul 28 05:33:47 * RST38h has to give QtSDK one final credit: after some kicking it uninstalled cleanly, without leaving a mess Jul 28 05:34:00 ah Jul 28 05:34:41 yeah Jul 28 05:36:23 Stskeeps: pss graph is costly though... my i7 can only do 25 samples per second taking PSS data... on an atom you're down to 1-2 samples per second doing the PSS graph :) Jul 28 05:37:40 * sofar goes to do a full boot and then get a beer Jul 28 05:38:49 on arm you'd probably get a split second ;) Jul 28 05:48:01 ooo burn Jul 28 05:48:10 rewinddir(proc); is hung Jul 28 05:55:06 * sofar gives up on rewinddir and is off Jul 28 06:36:17 morning Jul 28 06:36:38 will MeeGo run on a Raspberry Pi? http://www.raspberrypi.org/ Jul 28 06:40:05 no, armv6 Jul 28 06:40:15 it would run a build of meego for armv6 yes but wouldn't be compliant Jul 28 06:40:32 this is ARM11 Jul 28 06:40:41 why wouldn't it be compliant? Jul 28 06:41:06 I didn't know that ARMv7 was required for compliance Jul 28 06:42:06 it is Jul 28 06:42:11 meh Jul 28 06:42:24 the argument is that apps are built for armv7-a Jul 28 06:43:05 so obviously something that can't run the apps.. Jul 28 06:43:11 well, in this specific case, I don't really care about compliance. :P I mean, if it's an ARMv6 CPU, then it will never be compliant anyway Jul 28 06:43:16 :nod: Jul 28 06:44:16 I'm thinking of getting one of these devices and I want to use it as a "personal" server, running version control of the projects that I can't put onto Gitorious Jul 28 06:44:48 and I was wondering whether I should try using MeeGo on it, or just use the ARM version of Fedora Jul 28 06:45:14 i have an armv6 build laying about of meego Jul 28 06:45:31 the one that you built for the N8x0 devices? Jul 28 06:45:48 yeah Jul 28 06:45:53 haven't gotten around to actually trying it yet Jul 28 06:45:54 :P Jul 28 06:45:57 hehe Jul 28 06:46:21 but yeah, seems like a nice computer Jul 28 06:46:25 so, this ARM11 thing will run ARMv6... I didn't know that yet either Jul 28 06:46:31 the trimslice just went up in interest too Jul 28 06:48:31 I was just very disappointed the trimslice sata port is usb attached Jul 28 06:49:38 and the lack of NEON in Tegra2 is annoying Jul 28 06:51:24 and you can get Toshiba AC100's quite cheaply in comparison Jul 28 07:50:32 which would be the proper steps to run a graphic-less MeeGo build under qemu/kvm? should I try to follow the 1.1 doc steps to configure qemu runtimes with mad-admin and use QEMU_NOGRAPHIC? or should I just create a raw core-ia32-base image and run it under kvm/qemu? Jul 28 09:30:27 hello, where can I download the meego 1.2.0.1 core update tar.gz ? Jul 28 09:59:26 hm quiet here today Jul 28 10:02:33 shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Jul 28 10:02:39 too much noise! Jul 28 10:22:58 Stskeeps, the talk of compliance etc Jul 28 10:23:18 it shocked people around harmattan when I mentioned fremantle debs ran happily in it Jul 28 10:24:01 ermm.. when was that Jul 28 10:24:53 earlier this morning with venemo talking about arch for a device Jul 28 10:27:58 it will run for a limited subset that doesn't pass float values Jul 28 10:30:15 Is it an inherent property of the processor that can't be trapped, and you need to run qemu - or can you in principle trap on it, and handle it differently, ala-387 Jul 28 10:30:41 SpeedEvil: it puts floating point values in floating point registers, instead of integer Jul 28 10:31:01 Stskeeps, so it is a speed thing rather than incompatability? Jul 28 10:31:11 incompatibility Jul 28 10:32:41 so softfp puts arguments on (d0,d1) and calls into harpfp compiled library which expects them in (fp0,fp1) so gets garbage instead Jul 28 10:33:07 right Jul 28 10:33:13 and since there is no way to tell the difference for the callee it will not work Jul 28 10:33:23 that explains why libliqbase and liqbook worked (for instance) Jul 28 10:33:58 the low level dependencies of liqbase are all simple int functions Jul 28 10:34:21 and then the lib itself gets called from softfp app Jul 28 10:34:29 * lcuk understands now where I didn't before Jul 28 10:34:49 Yuk. Jul 28 10:34:50 but I am sure I use stuff from clib Jul 28 10:34:59 So you basically'd need to run qemu. Jul 28 10:35:00 or libc or whatever Jul 28 10:35:24 Umm. Or ld_preloaded translation libraries that mangle in the right way? Jul 28 10:35:59 for some reason my fingers type harpfp Jul 28 10:36:39 lcuk: .o/ Jul 28 10:36:54 morning CosmoHill \o Jul 28 10:37:45 SpeedEvil, you just need the whole stack to be compiled with the correct kind of mangling Jul 28 10:38:26 * CosmoHill quickly plugs the cable back in Jul 28 10:39:44 Stskeeps, on my meego ideapad I am enjoying reading books Jul 28 10:39:58 and surprisingly, droid fonts are readable Jul 28 10:40:12 * lcuk prefers Nokia sans though Jul 28 10:40:21 I should try Pure on it Jul 28 10:40:50 but we need to explicitly ask for permission from Nokia to include it in an image Jul 28 10:41:12 lcuk: what was the name of the community game again? (forgot already :) ) Jul 28 10:41:33 timoph, community game? Jul 28 10:41:42 the meego.com version of karma Jul 28 10:41:44 thing Jul 28 10:41:58 oh, the MeeGoVerse! Jul 28 10:42:03 that's it! Jul 28 10:42:19 * lcuk reads too much scifi! Jul 28 10:42:30 was thinking about the motivation to having it Jul 28 10:42:36 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGoVerse Jul 28 10:43:03 timoph, it was just growing based on the idea that MeeGo involvemenet is not much different to a MMORPG Jul 28 10:43:08 IMO it's a good way to introduce different areas in meego that one can contribute to, etc. Jul 28 10:43:10 Why did I think of McGonagall when meegoverse was mentioned. Jul 28 10:43:29 bug triaging and stuff is like mining in WoW Jul 28 10:43:42 timoph, :D Jul 28 10:43:57 so we don't end up like maemo.org where there's a ton of people who think tmo == the community Jul 28 10:44:08 indeed Jul 28 10:44:10 tmo? Jul 28 10:44:14 talk.maemo.org Jul 28 10:44:19 or likewise just irc or mailing list Jul 28 10:44:21 isn't that a bad place? Jul 28 10:44:24 expansion of skills Jul 28 10:44:30 tmo is awesome Jul 28 10:44:34 :) Jul 28 10:44:39 at least used to be Jul 28 10:44:43 it can be Jul 28 10:44:45 wait, forums.nokia << that's the bad place Jul 28 10:44:46 true Jul 28 10:44:50 it depends on the thread Jul 28 10:45:05 I pretty much gave up on it Jul 28 10:45:12 just too much noise Jul 28 10:45:22 Stskeeps did, but he is still addicted Jul 28 10:45:25 * CosmoHill quit a forum twice, he's not admin on it Jul 28 10:45:26 :) Jul 28 10:45:29 now* Jul 28 10:45:34 hehe Jul 28 10:45:52 * lcuk can smell fire, brb Jul 28 10:46:04 well I do read it every once in a while Jul 28 10:46:15 if he times out .... Jul 28 10:54:14 CosmoHill, lol Jul 28 10:54:28 lcuk: managed to put out the fire? Jul 28 10:54:37 not near us Jul 28 10:54:40 could just smell it Jul 28 10:54:56 ah. I thought you were cooking :p Jul 28 10:55:12 that would indeed be worse Jul 28 10:55:37 * lcuk does not leave kitchen when cooking as general rule Jul 28 10:55:45 anyone here have any idea when hyperthreading on 1155 i7 was supported in the kernel? Jul 28 10:56:47 lcuk: yet again you dominate the irc stats on the community metrics :) Jul 28 10:57:40 timoph, I will stop asking questions then! Jul 28 10:57:49 10 x my lines :) Jul 28 10:58:02 timoph, the stats are a bit wibbly though Jul 28 10:58:08 I think they are only this channel Jul 28 10:58:17 "lcuk yelled 64 times" Jul 28 10:58:24 yep Jul 28 10:58:37 it is just I prefer talking here to try and include most folks from the meegosphere Jul 28 10:58:44 I DO NOT YELL! Jul 28 10:58:45 doesn't include other meego channels afaik Jul 28 10:59:04 lcuk: YOU LIE! :P Jul 28 10:59:10 :D Jul 28 10:59:20 jussi, :D Jul 28 10:59:21 Or #harmattan - which is a bit debatably meego, though probably not. Jul 28 11:01:00 harmattan is a bit of an gray area Jul 28 11:01:47 well I am going to spend the afternoon with the sgx Jul 28 11:01:59 which is harmattan(m6) + meego patches Jul 28 11:02:31 * timoph is still waiting to be able to boot ce on it Jul 28 11:03:27 lcuk: btw, samegame is now available for ce in my obs home :) Jul 28 11:04:20 timoph, :D Jul 28 11:04:58 I am somehow attempting to get understanding of the sgx binary and it is confusing Jul 28 11:05:24 trying to sort out the tearing bug? Jul 28 11:05:45 yeah Jul 28 11:05:53 it annoyed me more because I found a workaround Jul 28 11:06:06 actually noticed the same bug happen in harmattan Jul 28 11:06:16 oh Jul 28 11:06:21 and in brainwave reduced the screen resolution to 800*480 Jul 28 11:06:26 which "cured" it Jul 28 11:06:35 so tried same on n900-ce Jul 28 11:06:44 and liqbase works really really fast at 640*480 Jul 28 11:07:14 but there is an annoying border artifact in meego-ce and harmattan Jul 28 11:07:16 weird Jul 28 11:07:23 and I want to get the default video working Jul 28 11:07:29 sintel on n900-ce does not play Jul 28 11:08:54 so, I don't exactly know how the sgx works or how to actually do development from source rpms or obs Jul 28 11:09:07 bu if I don't have a go at fixing this, no body will Jul 28 11:09:19 yep Jul 28 11:09:21 * lcuk rolls up sleeves and has a go Jul 28 11:09:34 bbl \o Jul 28 11:09:35 build your own lightsaber Jul 28 11:09:42 that's the way to go Jul 28 11:09:45 i have one of those :P Jul 28 11:09:45 o/ Jul 28 11:09:48 :D Jul 28 11:09:56 and a jedi cape! Jul 28 11:52:38 lbt, lbt_hel \o Jul 28 11:55:55 ta lcuk... didn't notice that Jul 28 12:14:50 lbt, where are latest shopper sources Jul 28 12:17:01 well that was fun Jul 28 12:17:19 sgx development installation on my n950 is a bit unpractical Jul 28 12:17:26 reflashing it now :P Jul 28 12:17:52 lcuk: nah ... that's all QWidget based Jul 28 12:18:07 lbt, qwidget still works you know Jul 28 12:18:37 have you seen the shit I'm getting in #harmattan .... no time for shopper I'm afraid ;) Jul 28 12:18:38 and as far as I recall you used your own colour styling on it Jul 28 12:18:43 so should look like you designed it Jul 28 12:18:45 I did Jul 28 12:18:59 lbt yeah I have Jul 28 12:19:09 I do want to make it work ... but want to do it "the right way"... Jul 28 12:19:16 for sure Jul 28 13:37:54 stormer, px_proxy_factory_get_proxies() as implemented by pacrunner returns either "direct://" or "http://host:port" when configured manually (without a js script). It cannot return another scheme. Jul 28 13:38:11 stormer, does it mean it does not support secure proxy or socks? Jul 28 13:40:42 https proxy? Jul 28 13:41:28 the original libproxy can return a different proxy depending on the scheme of the requested URL. But pacrunner does not read the scheme of the requested URL in manual configuration: it just pick the first server. Jul 28 13:41:52 thiago, I think that means proxies with the CONNECT command but I'm not sure Jul 28 13:43:29 "http" proxy usually means both GET and CONNECT Jul 28 13:43:44 "https" proxies would assume an SSL connection is established before the GET/CONNECT Jul 28 13:48:33 the original libproxy returns a config url as "scheme://user:passwd@proxy_host:port" where scheme is either "http" or "socks". It prefers a socks proxy if there is one. But the pacrunner libproxy only returns http Jul 28 13:50:05 socks proxies usually can do passive (listening) connections Jul 28 13:50:10 albanc, it wont support secure proxy Jul 28 13:50:12 but http proxies are better for, well, HTTP :-) Jul 28 13:50:48 albanc, the https scheme means that the proxy supports HTTP Connect (which in reality not all do) Jul 28 13:51:29 so the way I designed the QNetworkProxyFactory API, it gets the URL we're trying to connect to so it can decide which proxy to return Jul 28 13:51:57 thiago, well what I saying there is the design decision in libproxy Jul 28 13:51:57 stormer: without CONNECT, the proxy can't do transparent connections. It's really useless. Jul 28 13:52:22 thiago, well it depends on you network, you might use HTTP for HTTP, and SOCKS for https Jul 28 13:52:44 thiago, the point of an HTTP proxy is mainly for caching, you can't cache HTTPs Jul 28 13:52:49 stormer, if the GConf contains several proxies http, ftp, socks, which one should I give to pacrunner? Jul 28 13:53:06 albanc, all of them Jul 28 13:53:23 stormer, with its implementation, it will return the first one only Jul 28 13:53:23 stormer: usually, HTTP proxies allow CONNECT on at least port 443 Jul 28 13:53:32 with a http:// scheme Jul 28 13:53:34 albanc, if pacrunner is a decent implementation, it should be able to decide what to do base the scheme Jul 28 13:54:06 thiago, as I already said, that depend on the server Jul 28 13:54:37 thiago, doing random try and error is super time expensive, so going in the "let the application guess" is not best imho Jul 28 13:54:40 stormer, it is not because I can only give it a list of servers without specifying what kind of proxy it is, and it will return only the first one with "http://" prepended Jul 28 13:55:32 albanc, so you mean pacrunner does not have the difference between http and https ? Jul 28 13:55:58 exactly, and it does not seem to know socks Jul 28 13:55:59 albanc, that was silly since all browser make that difference Jul 28 13:56:08 That is even more silly Jul 28 13:56:21 well, there is for the manual configuration only Jul 28 13:56:27 * stormer wondering what peace of shit is pacrunner Jul 28 13:56:39 I can generate on the fly javascript code which can do the right thing Jul 28 13:57:42 the script has access to the requested URL, so it's possible to do the right thing... Jul 28 13:58:09 that would be an option, a bit expansive though Jul 28 13:59:38 do you know where I can find example of javascript parsing the url to return a proxy? Jul 28 14:01:29 those are PAC Jul 28 14:01:50 albanc, http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier_.PAC Jul 28 14:05:10 albanc, shit, there is a bug in libproxy Jul 28 14:10:22 stormer, what is the bug? Jul 28 14:10:38 albanc, so PAC does not have difference between HTTP and HTTPs, wondering if libproxy really return something different actually, don't rembember Jul 28 14:10:45 albanc, wel might not be Jul 28 14:11:39 libproxy returns either "direct://" or "http://..." or "socks://..." Jul 28 14:12:08 when the requested url is ftp or https, it still returns a "http://" proxy Jul 28 14:13:05 albanc, let me correct something, the http/https settings is decision making only, whatever http or https it is, libproxy return http:// Jul 28 14:13:27 yes Jul 28 14:13:36 albanc, addtionnaly it can return socks4:// and socks5:// Jul 28 14:14:03 Does chromium and other browsers support socks*:// ? Jul 28 14:14:20 so in PAC that mean you can have PROXY host:port ; SOCKS host:port; SOCKS4 host:port; SOCKS5 host:port; DIRECT Jul 28 14:14:33 albanc, yep, all browsers supports socks Jul 28 14:14:51 and libsoup too? Jul 28 14:15:16 albanc, some are socks5 only, some may try 5 then 4, and top one tries 5 then 4a then 4 (like glib) Jul 28 14:15:30 libsoup should support socks Jul 28 14:16:13 but would have to ask Danw Jul 28 14:21:25 In pacrunner, I would also have to add an "if" statement for SOCKS: http://pastebin.com/q7Ps8mJw Jul 28 14:22:03 right, it's obviously missing Jul 28 14:22:19 and while your there, add SOCKS4/SOCKS5 (a MS extension) Jul 28 14:23:01 Should I return "socks://..." in all cases? (SOCKS, SOCKS4, SOCKS5) Jul 28 14:23:09 I think it's MS, but I vagualy remember, some sys-admin came up with a PAC that worked on windows but not on libproxy, which was using that Jul 28 14:23:40 albanc, that's up to you, in libproxy we return socksX:// Jul 28 14:24:00 glib supports socks:// socks4:// socks4a:// and socks5:// Jul 28 14:24:26 But tbh socks:// and socks5:// are the only one that are really used those days Jul 28 14:24:28 ok, so better do the same Jul 28 14:25:01 being precise will make connection faster, but changing SOCKS5 into socks:// is probably "safer" Jul 28 14:25:09 as most people will assume socks5 Jul 28 14:25:30 and glib tries socks5 first Jul 28 14:27:32 Does QNetworkProxyFactory use libproxy and will it be fine with socksX://? Jul 28 14:28:48 thiago, ^ Jul 28 14:30:21 albanc, btw, PROXY in pac mean protocol specific proxy, so what proxy type make sense base on the protocol, which SOCKS is generic proxy Jul 28 14:31:15 in the browser world, PROXY mean http Jul 28 14:31:50 as HTTP/HTTPS/GOPHER/FTP are all proxies using http dialect Jul 28 14:31:59 *proxied Jul 28 14:35:51 albanc: no, it doesn't Jul 28 14:35:58 there's a pending merge request to add the functionality Jul 28 14:36:24 but considering we already have a pacrunner code that uses QtScript, I'd rather simply read the same files (not GConf) that store the proxy settings and use our own runner Jul 28 14:37:54 fair enough. I was just wondering whether my patch would break things for non-glib users of libproxy Jul 28 14:39:12 the proxy settings should be stored somewhere central Jul 28 14:39:17 possibly even in connman Jul 28 14:41:45 proxy settings per connection Jul 28 15:27:34 what would be the easiest way to automatically resolve city or country the user is in? I do have geo and ip information available. The app is mostly written in QML but uses c++ too. Jul 28 15:27:59 delac: geoclue is in my repository if that's any help Jul 28 15:28:07 well, for harmattan Jul 28 15:28:24 but it shouldn't be hard to build it for something else if that's what you need Jul 28 15:29:29 Elleo: yes, I can use geoclue, but the location info from ip is not that reliable (complete). Jul 28 15:29:57 Elleo: can it resolve the city from geo info? Jul 28 15:30:31 well it has various geocoder backends Jul 28 15:30:40 so presumably it should be able to Jul 28 16:31:56 Stskeeps? Jul 28 16:34:34 Ulf^: yep? Jul 28 16:42:37 Stskeeps, xserver-xorg-video-fbdev, are all the dependencies actually available publicly to build and work with it? Jul 28 16:42:49 * lcuk banging head on brick wall attempting to make this work Jul 28 16:46:41 lcuk: well, SGX drivers + headers Jul 28 16:46:45 but yeah, all stuff to build it with it Jul 28 16:49:37 Stskeeps, i can't even build the pristint m6 .tar.gz in scratchbox Jul 28 16:49:41 prinstine Jul 28 16:49:58 * lcuk will have to get obs working with it Jul 28 16:56:53 * lcuk goes eating ice cream Jul 28 17:26:49 * CosmoHill is having pizza and cider tonight Jul 28 17:31:35 lbt: X-Fade: c.obs dead? Jul 28 17:43:15 * arfoll is going to follow in CosmoHill's example Jul 28 17:43:31 * CosmoHill highfives arfoll Jul 28 17:43:48 my friend should be here in a minute then we can go get the pizza and some drink for him Jul 28 17:44:17 hope you're not offended i'm replacing the cider wih Cisk (local beer) Jul 28 17:44:29 i am going to try and make a polyfill tonight, probably aided by alcohol Jul 28 17:45:00 arfoll: i wouldn't be offended unless you replaced cider with my mum Jul 28 17:46:11 lcuk: is the alcohol going in you or the polyfiller? Jul 28 17:46:19 lol i'll remember that Jul 28 17:47:16 CosmoHill, i have been trying to do polyfill for ages Jul 28 17:47:27 oh, graphics, not DIY Jul 28 17:47:36 its one of those silly routines that when broken down into components is simple Jul 28 17:47:43 lol yeah Jul 28 17:47:43 graphics wise Jul 28 17:48:01 each component requires much brainwork to understand Jul 28 17:48:37 timoph, liqbook 0.4 is on the maemo repositories Jul 28 17:48:48 and on my ideapad the scrolling and readability is scrumptious Jul 28 17:48:57 i have read 3 books in the last few days on it Jul 28 17:49:11 and it scrolls better and is actually book sized Jul 28 17:49:29 i will update the itp with it Jul 28 17:49:36 http://liqbase.net/liq.20110725_163156.liqbookreader.scr.png Jul 28 17:50:14 cool Jul 28 17:50:41 if I can ever get over the learning curve for obs proper use and development best practices for complex (ie sgx packages) then liqbase will be trivial to port Jul 28 17:51:12 timoph, you are in the liqbase info page too :P Jul 28 17:51:31 \o/ Jul 28 17:55:12 timoph, http://liqbase.net/liq.20110728_185424.liqbookreader.scr.png Jul 28 17:56:33 * lcuk will add column buttons on right hand side spacer column for page updown Jul 28 17:57:31 have I really been shouting about testing that much :p Jul 28 18:03:23 timoph, no, but calm considered approach to the work in -qa sinks in :) Jul 28 18:03:52 ;) Jul 28 18:04:12 * timoph is not always that calm Jul 28 18:09:17 timoph, me neither Jul 28 18:09:22 * lcuk was just headbanging Jul 28 18:10:36 lcuk: headdesking helps every now and then :) Jul 28 18:26:19 just seen this for the first time. Would be great to do a similar one when with MeeGo Jul 28 18:26:45 http://vimeo.com/26761121 Jul 28 18:27:54 lcuk being composited Jul 28 18:28:08 everyone getting composited Jul 28 18:28:09 :P Jul 28 18:28:26 haha Jul 28 18:28:27 the good old times Jul 28 18:32:15 timoph: mmm is it Jul 28 18:34:55 lbt: not anymore it seems :) Jul 28 18:36:07 good.... I'm really sorry about the flakiness at the moment. Jul 28 19:11:56 * KaIRC wonders if http://wiki.meego.com/Devices should actually point out devices that _ship_ with MeeGo differently than ones where someone has got MeeGo to run in some way Jul 28 19:12:42 IMO it should. Jul 28 19:13:35 right now, it either makes the impression that a lot of devices ship with MeeGo, or that none does Jul 28 19:14:21 maybe the devices should be separated there to devices with meego preinstalled and devices that can be hacked to run meego Jul 28 19:15:28 hacked/installed Jul 28 19:15:37 timoph: at least it should be pointed out somehow, yes - separate sections might even make sense (though that might give us discussions again on where N9 belongs) Jul 28 19:15:55 :) Jul 28 19:16:11 a very clear 'sort of' Jul 28 19:16:16 hehe Jul 28 19:18:06 dm8tbr: why isn't Archos101 listed there, btw? I thought one could run MeeGo there? Jul 28 19:18:24 KaIRC: I believe I put gen7 there a while ago Jul 28 19:18:42 KaIRC: then the whole 'you have to be compliant' desaster happened Jul 28 19:19:04 and now I'm running/ramping-up formeego.org Jul 28 19:20:05 dm8tbr: oh, hmm, and all the other things on that page have easily available fully compliant versions? Jul 28 19:20:10 KaIRC: but yes, someone(tm) should put it there Jul 28 19:20:18 dm8tbr: hint - It's a wiki :p Jul 28 19:20:33 timoph: yes, see my someone(tm) statement Jul 28 19:21:03 KaIRC: there is no such thing as a compliant meego device IMHO Jul 28 19:21:10 ah Jul 28 19:21:19 or better a compliant meego hardware adaptation Jul 28 19:21:21 timoph: umm, I see that page has a "released devices" section, which I guess someone meant to be that "shipped with MeeGo" thing but is not clearly explained Jul 28 19:22:17 dm8tbr: right, I meant "fully compliant MeeGo installs/images" that exist for those devices... I'm not so sure of that Jul 28 19:22:41 dm8tbr: and so, archos101 belongs there as much as any other, I'd guess Jul 28 19:22:50 I'd be willing to bet serious money that such a constellation doe not exist Jul 28 19:22:56 hehe Jul 28 19:23:15 especially not for meego 1.2 Jul 28 19:23:19 where does the N900 CE stand there from a completely official POV? Jul 28 19:23:58 KaIRC: I used to host the CE images on images.formeego.org when it was still called http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/ Jul 28 19:24:01 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, david, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed Jul 28 19:24:32 KaIRC: and one requirement is that the images hosted there are non-compliant by definition and shall not be named meego-...img but mg-img Jul 28 19:24:49 I know you had them on there some time ago, but they're advertised as "real MeeGo" after all :P Jul 28 19:25:10 well it is (used to be) the reference hardware for ARM Jul 28 19:25:17 true Jul 28 19:25:32 which should aim to be as compliant as possible Jul 28 19:25:54 so both n900 and exopc are probably the closest to compliant hardware adaptations Jul 28 19:26:28 well, nowadays, the CE UX is a mess - but no wonder when you mix an unfinished handset UX with apps written for the tablet UX Jul 28 19:26:44 KaIRC: actually I would have lost my bet, exopc in the wetab variety apparently got recertified as meego core compliant. but I'm not sure, don't have a source for that at hand. Jul 28 19:27:26 dm8tbr: oh, you're saying that exopc and wetab are just varieties? Jul 28 19:27:35 same hardware, really Jul 28 19:27:45 interesting Jul 28 19:27:53 exopc will run wetab images Jul 28 19:28:10 * KaIRC still wonders what hardware he should get for himself as a MeeGo tablet Jul 28 19:28:23 there is a whole guide how to multi-boot win7, meego, ubuntu and wetab by an intel guy Jul 28 19:28:50 KaIRC: if you want to get into weight lifting and fans, an exopc Jul 28 19:28:50 who needs win7 anyhow? ;-) Jul 28 19:29:06 apparently it's surprisingly usable on the hardware (didn't try) Jul 28 19:29:14 and the hw comes with a sticker on the back Jul 28 19:29:18 dm8tbr: well, the exopc is expensive compared to a wetab... Jul 28 19:29:35 KaIRC: it costs you the trip to an app-up event ;) Jul 28 19:30:00 dm8tbr: which means missing at least one work day, which isn't that cheap in the end Jul 28 19:30:39 KaIRC: for me the event was a work event (the app up time wasn't though) Jul 28 19:30:53 http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/04/happy-frogs-meego-summit-finland-2011-tieto/ Jul 28 19:31:02 and the one "nearest" to me (i.e. only 5h or so away on the train) did pass already, AFAIK Jul 28 19:31:33 I hear there is one during desktop summit Jul 28 19:32:02 even further away, and I'd miss work as well Jul 28 19:32:21 dm8tbr: you're lucky, then... even if my employer has some interest in mobile devices, what I work for is not related to such things at all Jul 28 19:33:09 s/my employer/the entity I contract for/ Jul 28 19:33:11 KaIRC meant: dm8tbr: you're lucky, then... even if the entity I contract for has some interest in mobile devices, what I work for is not related to such things at all Jul 28 19:33:27 heh, infobot is funny Jul 28 19:33:33 yepp Jul 28 19:33:56 KaIRC: my daytime project has nothing to do with meego (so much I can say) Jul 28 19:35:52 dm8tbr: well, I can say anything I want about what I work, but it's still not related to MeeGo in any way other than openness ;-) Jul 28 19:37:07 * KaIRC wished that was different, but for that, MeeGo would probably need to be an important player in the market Jul 28 19:38:59 *nod* Jul 28 19:39:30 also IIRC the browser engine is no longer fennec on N900CE Jul 28 19:40:11 I thought the main browser still was fennec - just that they ship two other browsers in addition Jul 28 19:40:24 possible Jul 28 19:41:17 * KaIRC really need to get a newer CE image - if only |zypper dup| would do that flawlessly so he wouldn't lose any settings Jul 28 19:41:42 KaIRC: tar up your home directory and etc :/ Jul 28 19:42:10 and yes, I also have my reservations as to the fact that dup breaks things catastrophically Jul 28 19:42:44 that really needs to be fixed Jul 28 19:42:48 last time tried that on an exopc image: the whole UI fubared Jul 28 19:44:57 maybe(tm) once they move to wayland and things stabilize... (haha) Jul 28 19:45:16 sure Jul 28 19:45:37 let's move to more experimental core software to stabilize ;-) Jul 28 19:46:06 but then, dup should not even be related to something like that - it works fine for openSUSE Jul 28 19:55:35 KaIRC: the problem here is that meego is not a distro, it's that business thing Jul 28 19:55:54 (which you can build a distro upon and would then need to ensure things like dup work) Jul 28 19:59:06 yeah, except even i dont buy that :P a vendor cant both be compliant and fix a huge upgrade conflict Jul 28 19:59:23 we should really test upgrades in meego Jul 28 19:59:50 bring it up at the next TSG? (yeah yeah I know) Jul 28 20:00:13 qa is better Jul 28 20:00:51 meego should be backwards compliant within releases! ;) Jul 28 20:06:08 ok a better question: Jul 28 20:06:23 what is the easiest way to install meego and keep up with the leading edge? Jul 28 20:06:42 zypper dup against trunk Jul 28 20:06:46 reinstall daily, reinstall often Jul 28 20:06:54 or that Jul 28 20:06:58 auke: that should be it ideally Jul 28 20:07:05 trunk:testing is impossible to track Jul 28 20:07:07 _ideally_ Jul 28 20:07:16 but trunk isn't so bad Jul 28 20:07:26 upgradeability seems to be an total afterthought Jul 28 20:07:30 I mostly zypper dup against trunk Jul 28 20:07:37 but then again, I live in pinetrail land Jul 28 20:07:43 as mic2 fosters the culture of one-off-shot images Jul 28 20:07:55 dm8tbr: upgradeability is something for _after_ a release Jul 28 20:08:08 which is why there are updates Jul 28 20:08:08 auke, and something practiced between. Jul 28 20:08:14 is anyone running meego with kernel 3.0 Jul 28 20:08:27 auke: depends, if you don't do it before, you usually won't get it right after Jul 28 20:08:27 iluminator101: there's a 3.0 pc kernel in trunk:testing Jul 28 20:08:59 you can't upgrade a system 'hot' from rpm 4.8 to rpm 4.9 Jul 28 20:08:59 so Jul 28 20:09:07 some stuff just won't work Jul 28 20:09:16 iluminator101: n9(|50|00) CE also has some experimental 3.0 kernel Jul 28 20:14:35 dm8tbr, N9x0 will suffice :) Jul 28 21:11:29 * rzr http://rzr.online.fr/q/emulate#video of my #AmigA #NetBook / #TableT ( p #UaE + #LinuX !MeeGo running #LenovO #IdeaPad ) back to the 90ies ! Jul 28 21:14:32 irc and hash tags, dont' mix Jul 28 21:17:49 irc is extensible by design :) Jul 28 21:17:58 soon we'll chat using flv files Jul 28 21:48:40 i've heard of UAE and EUAE but what is PUAE? Jul 28 21:49:29 Parallel United Arab Emirates ? Jul 28 21:49:35 :-) Jul 28 21:52:32 post-ultimate amiga emulator? Jul 28 21:52:49 it's so ultimate... it's post-ultimate! Jul 28 21:53:15 ... but you've probably never heard of it Jul 28 21:53:17 wait Jul 28 21:53:18 p like pandora :) Jul 28 21:53:47 ali1234: puae is to euae what euae is to uae Jul 28 21:54:06 but i thought euae was uae with backports from winuae Jul 28 21:54:14 so is euae dead now? Jul 28 21:54:54 as much as uae is Jul 28 21:55:28 Indeed, I never heard of it before today. Jul 28 21:56:29 less mushrooms for you peeps Jul 28 22:04:01 is there a community repo to put that software ? Jul 28 22:12:34 rzr http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Repo Jul 28 22:17:26 pebcak: i had that one in my bookmarks i'll rtfm that Jul 28 23:15:37 X-Fade: i added you too https://build.pub.meego.com/project/users?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan Jul 28 23:27:10 hi, I was wondering if it is possible to download a nightly for meego 1.3 (netbook) for developing a theme, I only see version 1.2 on the meego.com site. cheers. Jul 28 23:29:21 yes, there are nightly and daily images Jul 28 23:29:28 http://repo.meego.com Jul 28 23:29:46 thank you Jul 28 23:33:04 I'd be called 1.2.80 or 1.2.90 I believe Jul 29 00:28:12 hi, I am working to install 1.2.80 on virtualbox (I was able to get 1.2 to work) however I am unable to get past the section where you remove quiet and add the s flag on these instructions...any suggestions? Jul 29 00:28:55 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox Jul 29 00:29:04 sorry forgot the link Jul 29 01:35:00 morning Jul 29 01:57:33 should mcompositor be used in new MeeGo UX projects? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 29 02:59:56 2011