**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 01 02:59:57 2011
Aug 01 04:33:58 <dm8tbr> caffeine++
Aug 01 05:13:29 <vgrade_> http://trimslice.com/web/dev-kit trimslice Dev program.
Aug 01 06:56:28 <arfoll> bmc pub api is back up! well since 1am...
Aug 01 08:04:52 <RST38h> ...and some moo here too.
Aug 01 08:19:14 <jbos_> ping Stskeeps
Aug 01 08:20:17 <Stskeeps> pong
Aug 01 08:20:45 <jbos_> managed to get the richt people fixing qtcomponents packageing
Aug 01 08:21:08 <jbos_> https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Amdfe%3Aqt-components
Aug 01 08:21:09 <Stskeeps> cool
Aug 01 08:21:22 <Stskeeps> reviewing
Aug 01 08:22:41 <Stskeeps> jbos_: i'll integrate them, thanks for that
Aug 01 08:23:10 <jbos_> y' are welcome
Aug 01 09:20:49 <RST38h> Anyone knows of a way to get direct access to the screen in Qt?
Aug 01 09:21:12 <Stskeeps> like, framebuffer?
Aug 01 09:21:31 <RST38h> Stskeeps: Would prefer something a bit smarter
Aug 01 09:21:45 <RST38h> Stskeeps: Like, QWidgets back buffer or somethign
Aug 01 09:25:42 <Summeli> RST38h: using the paintEvent in QWidget is pretty fast
Aug 01 09:26:14 <Summeli> I should benchmark with my N950 too
Aug 01 09:26:29 * RST38h sigbh
Aug 01 09:26:31 <RST38h> sighs
Aug 01 09:26:56 <Summeli> for Symbian and N8 the blit was about 6ms for a snes-frame
Aug 01 09:27:27 * RST38h sighs again
Aug 01 09:27:36 <Summeli> not good enough? :)
Aug 01 09:28:29 <RST38h> for 60fps video the entire frame is 16.7ms, you just wasted 30% of it.
Aug 01 09:28:52 <RST38h> That is for 640x360 screen. Now, consider 850x480 screen.
Aug 01 09:29:16 <Summeli> well, we should have faster processor and (hopefully) better graphics architecture
Aug 01 09:29:25 <RST38h> No, not really.
Aug 01 09:29:44 <RST38h> I should have a direct pointer to the video buffer.
Aug 01 09:29:49 <Summeli> I try to benchmark it with N950 too
Aug 01 09:30:04 <Summeli> of course that would be faster
Aug 01 09:30:26 <RST38h> There is absolutley no reason to waste time in Qt in this case.
Aug 01 09:30:52 <RST38h> Unless, of course, Qt really accelerates the process by doing it with GLES textures or something
Aug 01 09:31:03 <RST38h> Which it does not seem to
Aug 01 09:31:22 <Summeli> RST38h: it should go through GLES..
Aug 01 09:31:55 <Summeli> you can try with QApplication::setGraphicsSystem("opengl");
Aug 01 09:32:12 <Summeli> but it should be "opengl" by default I think
Aug 01 09:34:37 <RST38h> Summeli: Once I set widget to  direct draw, it becomes a normal SHMIT-based XWindow
Aug 01 09:35:09 <RST38h> Summeli: If I do not set it to direct draw, the widget stays black until I minimize the window, but shows the last rendered image in the minimized preview
Aug 01 09:35:10 <Summeli> ok
Aug 01 09:35:32 <RST38h> So, *maybe* it is using GLES, but notupdating properly
Aug 01 09:36:23 <Summeli> are you calling the repaint()
Aug 01 09:36:43 <RST38h> Yes.
Aug 01 09:36:48 <Summeli> ok, then it should work ;-)
Aug 01 09:36:53 <RST38h> And I tried calling the update() as well same shit
Aug 01 09:39:31 <RST38h> "Should" and "will" are two different verbs
Aug 01 10:31:28 <lcuk> RST38h, using something like android can you get low level pixels?  or wp?
Aug 01 10:58:33 <RST38h> lcuk: in Gingerbread+ I can
Aug 01 10:58:41 <RST38h> lcuk: Why ask?
Aug 01 10:59:23 <lcuk> RST38h, just wondering
Aug 01 10:59:30 * lcuk pondering similar stuff
Aug 01 11:01:19 * lcuk unpacks todays image
Aug 01 11:03:19 <lcuk> Stskeeps, did I read in #meego-arm that n950 images were coming up (scrollback is not working)
Aug 01 12:02:24 <drf__> lbt, X-Fade: ping, I'd like to have an account for meego's community obs
Aug 01 12:03:32 <lbt> meego.com acct? OSS ?
Aug 01 12:07:12 <drf__> lbt: account, drf. OSS: I'm working on KDE projects and building new plugins for media-explorer
Aug 01 12:07:22 <chouchoune> hello
Aug 01 12:08:00 <lbt> drf__: done ... have fun :)
Aug 01 12:08:06 <drf__> lbt: thank you very much :)
Aug 01 12:08:09 <lcuk> someone has made a maemo 5 harmattan calculator clone in qml http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1054939#post1054939
Aug 01 12:08:11 <lcuk> called meecalc
Aug 01 12:08:23 <chouchoune> I have a question related to #meego-xxx IRC channels : who should / how to register them in order to be compliant with the Meego IRC best practices/guidelines ?
Aug 01 12:08:27 * drf__ logged in successfully \\o/
Aug 01 12:08:43 <chouchoune> (that would be for local groups (#meego-fr for France))
Aug 01 12:08:55 <lcuk> chouchoune, http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines
Aug 01 12:09:18 <Stskeeps> chouchoune: i'll rejoin again, sorry about dropping the ball
Aug 01 12:09:52 <chouchoune> I've read that
Aug 01 12:10:03 <Stskeeps> and get something done about it this time around :)
Aug 01 12:10:04 * lbt wonders if it should be region or language... just thinking out loud
Aug 01 12:10:05 <SpeedEvil> chouchoune: #meego-xxx? Is there now a porn UX?
Aug 01 12:10:11 <chouchoune> but I might have missed the right explanation ;)
Aug 01 12:10:11 <lcuk> :D
Aug 01 12:10:22 <chouchoune> SpeedEvil: that would be great ;)
Aug 01 12:14:45 <lcuk> ahh phoey the meecalc is python+qt
Aug 01 12:17:16 <lcuk> "http://twitter.com/billyist
Aug 01 12:17:16 <lcuk>  I don't know much about MeeGo, but they've got to be the cheeriest bunch of open source developers I've ever encountered. I want to like it."
Aug 01 12:17:40 <RST38h> lcuk: Lemme guess, he has met you? =)
Aug 01 12:17:54 <lcuk> RST38h, lol idk
Aug 01 12:19:15 <vvaltone> that might be simply because there's no heavy handed moderation here :P
Aug 01 12:19:22 <lbt> lcuk: I can think of a few people he *didn't* meet ;)
Aug 01 12:19:23 <berndhs> moring
Aug 01 12:19:35 <berndhs> morning even
Aug 01 12:32:59 <jpwhiting> lbt: could I get access to the community obs?
Aug 01 12:33:07 * jpwhiting looks for his meego.com account name...
Aug 01 12:35:00 <drf__> is there a reason why I cannot branch packages? I'm trying to branch telepathy-glib from pretty much anywhere (Meego:Trunk, :1.2, etc) but it always fails
Aug 01 12:35:12 <Stskeeps> drf__: MeeGo.com:Trunk
Aug 01 12:36:06 <drf__> Stskeeps: Unable to find package 'telepathy-glib' in project 'MeeGo.com'.
Aug 01 12:36:14 <drf__> MeeGo.com:Trunk doesn't appear in the list
Aug 01 12:37:18 <lbt> minor bug in OBS UI ...you need to type it
Aug 01 12:37:46 <ruskie> http://www.reghardware.com/2011/08/01/nokia_n9_out_this_september/ <-- hmm
Aug 01 12:37:52 <drf__> awesome, now it worked, thanks!
Aug 01 12:38:15 <ruskie> "the open phone"
Aug 01 12:38:18 <lbt> jpwhiting: ping when you know ... confirm you're doing OSS
Aug 01 12:38:44 <jpwhiting> lbt: my username is jpwhiting, go figure
Aug 01 12:39:02 <jpwhiting> yep, I'd like to access obs, I'm working with drf__
Aug 01 12:39:09 <lbt> done
Aug 01 12:39:19 <jpwhiting> awesome, thanks
Aug 01 12:39:37 <lbt> sure ... I still get the occasional "want to do company work" .... hence the OSS check
Aug 01 12:43:06 <jpwhiting> ah, is company oss work ok? :p
Aug 01 12:43:11 * jpwhiting and dario work for collabora
Aug 01 12:43:42 <jpwhiting> I understand the check though, thanks for the help
Aug 01 12:48:05 <lbt> jpwhiting: yes, company OSS work is OK (kinda)
Aug 01 12:48:41 <jpwhiting> lbt: the code is on public git, so should be good I believe
Aug 01 12:49:43 <vvaltone> Telepathy is it?-)
Aug 01 12:49:58 <vvaltone> Collabora certainly seems active in it
Aug 01 12:51:31 <jpwhiting> vvaltone: yep, telepathy plugin for media-explorer
Aug 01 12:51:40 <jpwhiting> does audio/video calls within mex
Aug 01 12:55:35 <vvaltone> yeah, I should try that again, now that I have an actual tv and a extra sff computer
Aug 01 13:01:39 <mcfrisk> What's the best documentation link for vendors about the issues with binary blobs and Linux kernel?
Aug 01 13:01:53 <jpwhiting> vvaltone: it's not quite as mature as boxee etc, but it's getting there
Aug 01 13:03:08 <Stskeeps> ~haveameegomeeting
Aug 01 13:03:09 <infobot> haveameegomeeting is, like, book at http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Meeting_IRC_Schedule , read http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_guidelines#IRC_Meeting_Guidelines and instructions for MeetBot at http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html
Aug 01 13:03:11 <Stskeeps> ^ chouchoune
Aug 01 13:04:04 <Stskeeps> mcfrisk: binary kernel module or binary blobs like firmware within source code driver?
Aug 01 13:04:16 <mcfrisk> both
Aug 01 13:05:43 <chouchoune> thanks Stskeeps, so anyone has the right to #startmeeting ... without asking before ...
Aug 01 13:05:51 <chouchoune> we already registered our schedule
Aug 01 13:05:57 <Stskeeps> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/technical-advisory-board-tab/lfstatement maybe
Aug 01 13:06:00 <Stskeeps> chouchoune: yes
Aug 01 13:06:06 <chouchoune> thanks
Aug 01 13:06:15 <chouchoune> sorry for asking too much questions ;)
Aug 01 13:06:50 <RST38h> Incredible, isn't it?
Aug 01 13:06:52 <Stskeeps> mcfrisk: and then there's the whole open implementation for userland must exist for kernel driver inclusion debacle..
Aug 01 13:08:10 <Stskeeps> which i'm not entirely agreeing with (personally)
Aug 01 13:09:16 <vvaltone> Stskeeps, well, I rather do understand them, as it means the kernel people might have to maintain it
Aug 01 13:09:51 <Stskeeps> mm
Aug 01 13:10:53 <RST38h> Stskeeps: Nicolai was kind enough to point to the *working* (supposedly) version of QtComponents!
Aug 01 13:10:54 <vvaltone> but on the other hand, for example AMD Radeon cards have firmware blobs
Aug 01 13:11:14 <RST38h> Or, actually, exampels changed in a way that they should work on N950
Aug 01 13:24:00 <mcfrisk> Stskeeps: the Linux Foundation was not technical in nature
Aug 01 13:24:06 <Stskeeps> ok
Aug 01 13:24:22 <Stskeeps> well, a bit of googling should find you some :P
Aug 01 13:24:42 <mcfrisk> did not, that's why I'm askin here too :)
Aug 01 13:24:52 <Stskeeps> hmm
Aug 01 13:25:04 <djszapi> Hi! Do you have any idea how to use mic-chroot ? http://paste.kde.org/104473/
Aug 01 13:25:16 <mcfrisk> wikipedia was on hit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_blob
Aug 01 13:25:50 <Stskeeps> closed source kernel module might be a better one
Aug 01 13:26:18 <gabrbedd> mcfrisk: Could you not find anything in the kernel tarball under Documentation/ ?
Aug 01 13:27:22 <mcfrisk> not so far
Aug 01 13:28:53 <gabrbedd> Perhaps you could ask on a kernel ML.
Aug 01 13:29:05 <gabrbedd> ...and be prepared for a flame or two. ;-)
Aug 01 13:29:20 * lbt tries to clarify ... if a vendor is working on a board that has some HW (over and above that needed for MeeGo)  that only has blobs available. How is that blob handled by the vendor
Aug 01 13:29:28 <lbt> is that the situation?
Aug 01 13:31:38 <mcfrisk> Not only that, someone tries support their new HW with binary .ko driver, which is given to the MeeGo integrators who try to create a product using that HW and MeeGo
Aug 01 13:32:29 <mcfrisk> I should reply with a FAQ and instructions how to get rid of the binary .ko, split it to binary blob and GPL wrapers etc
Aug 01 13:32:49 <Stskeeps> there's no technical problem but closed kernel drivers are just annoying :P look at poor n810, stuck at 2.6.21 because of it
Aug 01 13:32:59 <mcfrisk> :)
Aug 01 13:33:08 <mcfrisk> They never go away, do they
Aug 01 13:33:35 <Stskeeps> and then there's the legal aspect of GPL symbols etc..
Aug 01 13:34:09 <mcfrisk> yes, I don't want to explain those things, a FAQ link would do it
Aug 01 13:34:33 <gabrbedd> lbt: mcfrisk: so the question is... how do we get them into a meego implementation?
Aug 01 13:35:21 <lbt> I think the first step here is some guidelines... frame the problem and identify issues
Aug 01 13:35:26 <lbt> then we can offer approaches
Aug 01 13:35:34 <lbt> and eventually a reccomendation
Aug 01 13:36:11 <mcfrisk> this is not meego specific, more like Linux kernel and GPL issue, which has been discussed to the end, but I can't find a good summary to show
Aug 01 13:37:53 <lbt> so "Is there a FAQ on splitting a vendor provided kernel module in .ko format into a blob and GPL headers"
Aug 01 13:38:10 <gabrbedd> mcfrisk: I don't know of one... but the folks on the kernel ML list probably do.
Aug 01 13:38:29 <gabrbedd> mcfrisk: ...and I'll bet that the answer is that the code is the documentation.
Aug 01 13:39:03 <gabrbedd> mcfrisk: the main-line kernel has a few things with binary blobs (or at least support for it with `firmwareloader`)
Aug 01 13:39:12 <gabrbedd> mcfrisk: check especially in the staging drivers.
Aug 01 13:39:29 <mcfrisk> couldn't find a good explanation of staging either, sigh
Aug 01 13:40:04 <gabrbedd> mcfrisk: It's everything under drivers/staging/*
Aug 01 13:40:33 <gabrbedd> mcfrisk: If you configure a kernel... go to the `drivers` section and enable the staging drivers.  There will be documentation there about what it's about.
Aug 01 13:42:40 <mcfrisk> nope, menuconfig STAGING is not clear enough
Aug 01 13:44:23 <gabrbedd> mcfrisk: sorry, bro... I don't have time to walk you through it.
Aug 01 13:44:46 <gabrbedd> mcfrisk: one of the NOK devs here *might* have your answer... but the linux ML /will/ have your answer.
Aug 01 13:47:47 <mcfrisk> ok, will go to lkml, thanks
Aug 01 14:02:11 <CosmoHill> hey dazo
Aug 01 14:16:02 * CosmoHill got a job interview :)
Aug 01 14:16:07 <Stskeeps> congrats
Aug 01 14:16:17 <SpeedEvil> Congrats!
Aug 01 14:18:47 <djszapi> Hi! Do you have any idea how to use mic-chroot ? http://paste.kde.org/104473/
Aug 01 14:48:16 <djszapi> Stskeeps ping :)
Aug 01 14:48:37 <djszapi> Do you have any idea what I am doing wrong about the downloaded bz2 meego-dev image and mic-chroot ?
Aug 01 15:06:20 <lcuk> is there a meego calculator which works on the n900-ce?
Aug 01 15:06:26 <lcuk> in anybodies repositories etc
Aug 01 15:06:50 <lcuk> on maemo side I found that somebody created a pyqt version of the harmattan calculator
Aug 01 15:07:01 <lcuk> http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/meecalc/1.2-1/
Aug 01 15:07:11 <lcuk> which looks pretty but is not written in pyside
Aug 01 15:33:26 <gandhijee_> hey guys, is there away to get the HDMI out to work on the exoPC's with out the tiito code/
Aug 01 15:35:26 <Stskeeps> without? probably not easily
Aug 01 15:36:32 <gandhijee_> i see
Aug 01 15:36:50 <gandhijee_> so if i upgrade to meego 1.2 will the tiito stuff still work?
Aug 01 15:48:28 <Ulf^> Hi
Aug 01 15:51:09 <Stskeeps> morning Ulf^
Aug 01 16:09:34 <Ulf^> His Stskeeps!
Aug 01 16:09:37 <Ulf^> Hi, even
Aug 01 16:16:37 <albanc> Emails auto-generated by build.meego.com don't have a date
Aug 01 16:16:53 <julienf> hey guys
Aug 01 16:17:11 <julienf> do you have an idea on how I could get any version of XCode so that I can install the MeeGo SDK?
Aug 01 16:17:13 <andre__> albanc, file a bug report? :)
Aug 01 16:17:40 <andre__> julienf,  what is XCode?
Aug 01 16:18:07 <julienf> andre__:  it's the dev suite for OSX, and unfortunately what is required to do development on OSX...
Aug 01 16:18:11 <julienf> for MeeGo..
Aug 01 16:18:31 <andre__> so you're looking for http://developer.apple.com/xcode/ or what?
Aug 01 16:19:14 <julienf> andre__: yes, except that I do not want to become an Apple developer
Aug 01 16:19:30 <Stskeeps> we need that for meego sdk?
Aug 01 16:19:40 <Stskeeps> (url?)
Aug 01 16:19:52 <julienf> Stskeeps: yes, because it has the compiler..
Aug 01 16:20:09 <andre__> is that requirement documented somewhere (wiki URL or so)?
Aug 01 16:20:19 <julienf> Stskeeps: that's for the Nokia SDK: https://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/da8df288-e615-443d-be5c-00c8a72435f8/Qt_SDK.html
Aug 01 16:20:41 <julienf> As I want to start doing some stuff on the N950
Aug 01 16:20:47 <Stskeeps> julienf: ah..
Aug 01 16:20:54 <andre__> then it's not for MeeGo, but for harmattan ;-)
Aug 01 16:20:56 <Stskeeps> julienf: that's for local compilation, for the simular
Aug 01 16:21:02 <Stskeeps> simulator
Aug 01 16:21:19 <julienf> Stskeeps: yes, but the Nokia SDK does not allow me to install without xcode installed.
Aug 01 16:21:31 <Stskeeps> fun
Aug 01 16:22:10 <andre__> might be worth a bug report in http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/ . Or not.
Aug 01 16:23:52 <Stskeeps> andre__: i think it's from the rationale that qt itself is built with xcode and you're factually targetting macos x in simular
Aug 01 16:23:56 <Stskeeps> simulator
Aug 01 16:24:27 <julienf> andre__:  yes, Stskeeps is right. The problem, as I already indicated on a blog post, is that in the end, a dev has to pay Apple to do Nokia stuff..
Aug 01 16:24:36 <ali1234> wrong
Aug 01 16:24:38 <albanc> andre__, thanks for the suggestion :) I filed a bug on BMC#22170
Aug 01 16:24:40 <ali1234> x code is free
Aug 01 16:24:40 <andre__> ah
Aug 01 16:24:43 <ali1234> *xcode
Aug 01 16:24:54 <ali1234> you only have to sign up for the mac store
Aug 01 16:25:00 <ali1234> and then it's a free download for xcode 3
Aug 01 16:25:01 <andre__> julienf: why pay? register and download it without paying.
Aug 01 16:25:09 <andre__> ah, so it's not v4?
Aug 01 16:25:13 <ali1234> no
Aug 01 16:25:16 <andre__> damn, asthe website implies...
Aug 01 16:25:18 <ali1234> v4 is $4.99
Aug 01 16:25:34 <tomeu> well, can you legally run it without paying apple something?
Aug 01 16:26:06 <ali1234> no
Aug 01 16:26:12 <ali1234> you can't legally run it without owning a mac
Aug 01 16:26:21 <ali1234> if you don't like that, why did you buy a mac in the first place?
Aug 01 16:26:23 <julienf> I can't download v4.1 (only one available in mac store) because I do not have Lion.
Aug 01 16:26:50 <julienf> ali1234: there is a difference between enjoying a hardware/OS, and wanting to develop for an other OS/platform
Aug 01 16:27:27 <julienf> ali1234: and that's not the kind of things you know until you try
Aug 01 16:28:48 <ali1234> you should also have some version of xocde on the installation discs that come with every mac
Aug 01 16:30:27 <julienf> ali1234: yes, certainly, but am at an airport, way away from my installation discs :D
Aug 01 16:30:58 <Stskeeps> ali1234: comes with compiler? wow
Aug 01 16:31:08 <ali1234> so you're going to download 4GB xocde on airport wireless?
Aug 01 16:31:12 <ali1234> good luck with that
Aug 01 16:32:04 <lcuk> so ali1234 what sdk would you get that is less than 4gb?
Aug 01 16:32:17 <ali1234> i wouldn't use a mac in the first place
Aug 01 16:32:21 <lcuk> (real question, which dev environment has lowest download barrier
Aug 01 16:33:08 <SpeedEvil> shell
Aug 01 16:33:10 <ali1234> build-essential on ubuntu is about 300mb i think
Aug 01 16:33:20 <julienf> ali1234: you're right, with a 3MB connection it might take a bit of time. Thanks for your help. I guess I'll just go and get a PC at the tax free
Aug 01 16:33:55 <ali1234> btw xcode 3.2.6 download is still available for free, it's linked on the wikipedia page
Aug 01 16:34:03 <ali1234> you only need a apple id login to get it
Aug 01 16:34:26 <lcuk> julienf, what will you do with the pc?
Aug 01 16:34:31 <ali1234> http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/download.action?path=/Developer_Tools/xcode_3.2.6_and_ios_sdk_4.3__final/xcode_3.2.6_and_ios_sdk_4.3.dmg
Aug 01 16:34:43 <lcuk> if you are airport, just open general notepad editor and write yourself some pseudocode
Aug 01 16:34:59 <julienf> lcuk: I'll install linux, as it seems to be the answer to all my problems :D
Aug 01 16:35:11 <julienf> ali1234: now that is something constructive! Thank you.
Aug 01 16:35:13 <lcuk> julienf, and what is your problem?
Aug 01 16:35:29 * lcuk writes in airports
Aug 01 16:36:06 <julienf> lcuk: that I could not find a link to a free version of xcode to be able to start developing on my macbook
Aug 01 16:36:18 <ali1234> you should install linux anyway
Aug 01 16:36:25 <julienf> ali1234: why?
Aug 01 16:36:29 <ali1234> probably would be a smaller download
Aug 01 16:36:37 <ali1234> and it's better than that mac rubbish
Aug 01 16:37:47 <julienf> ali1234: I value your personal opinion. I am quite satisfied with OSX in general and for what use.
Aug 01 16:38:06 <ali1234> heh :)
Aug 01 16:39:31 <julienf> ali1234: I've installed my first linux distro when I was 14 and that was back in 94. So I've done my fair share of experimentation.
Aug 01 16:40:17 <gandhijee_> so i have an exoPC that i am playing with, and i have kerenl 2.6.38 on there... is there away for me to enable the HDMI output?
Aug 01 16:40:26 <gandhijee_> i try to run the 42 software
Aug 01 16:40:47 <gandhijee_> but it just fails with a msg that something is already registered
Aug 01 16:41:11 <julienf> but thanks ali1234 for your help. I'll continue the download at home tonight.
Aug 01 17:21:11 <qgil> lbt: have you got your N950?
Aug 01 17:39:47 <CosmoHill> Robot101: ping
Aug 01 17:40:10 <Robot101> CosmoHill: pong
Aug 01 17:40:18 <CosmoHill> can I pm you?
Aug 01 17:42:25 <Robot101> sure
Aug 01 17:51:40 <lbt> qgil: yes - thanks
Aug 01 17:52:06 <qgil> lbt: then move yourself away from http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia#FIXME_Unclear_cases_.26_lazy_wiki_editors to the right section - thanks
Aug 01 18:09:38 <berndhs> AppUp meet in Canda, so convenient
Aug 01 18:09:50 <berndhs> of course California is closer, but hey
Aug 01 19:00:12 <lcukn900> sitting in the garden meego activity: log of garden plants and tasks
Aug 01 20:06:29 <idreamer> hi at all.. i don't know very well english and have a problem with reflash maemo on n900... same one can help me please?
Aug 01 20:09:51 <idreamer> there's some one?
Aug 01 20:11:33 <SpeedEvil> ~flashing
Aug 01 20:11:34 <infobot> maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Aug 01 20:11:40 <SpeedEvil> Asleep now.
Aug 01 20:16:28 <DocScrutinizer> idreamer: /join #maemo
Aug 01 20:16:47 <idreamer> no
Aug 01 20:16:50 <idreamer> not work
Aug 01 20:16:52 <DocScrutinizer> idreamer: though the answer will be same there ;-)
Aug 01 20:17:12 <idreamer> ok bye
Aug 01 20:17:20 <DocScrutinizer> idreamer: you can not join #maemo channel?
Aug 01 20:17:37 <idreamer> no no all right
Aug 01 20:41:06 <lcuk> timoph, you like the ideaof garden management/planning app
Aug 01 20:51:00 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: better-than-GPS positioning would be great for that.
Aug 01 20:51:07 <SpeedEvil> +-5cm ideally
Aug 01 20:51:51 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, sure, to know where you are stood you are expecting what plant
Aug 01 20:52:10 <lcuk> real use for vr and the funky generated 3d plant graphics
Aug 01 20:52:15 <SpeedEvil> Of course what you really want is for lardman to tweak mbarcode to read DNA.
Aug 01 20:52:16 <lcuk> err ar
Aug 01 20:52:43 <lcuk> I take photographs of flower arrangements
Aug 01 20:52:53 <lcuk> and think barcodeish recognition would work on them
Aug 01 20:52:58 <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
Aug 01 20:53:01 <lcuk> but that is a completely different topic
Aug 01 20:53:10 <SpeedEvil> I take photos of flowers I have no clue what they are :/
Aug 01 20:53:19 <lcuk> yeah
Aug 01 20:53:24 <lcuk> flowers bring interesting thing
Aug 01 20:53:26 <SpeedEvil> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/
Aug 01 20:53:32 <lcuk> that mbarcode can only handle one code per photo
Aug 01 20:53:42 <lardman> hello?
Aug 01 20:53:50 <lcuk> sometimes, like facial recognition, there are lots of smiling faces/barcodes \o
Aug 01 20:53:52 <lcuk> hi simon
Aug 01 20:53:55 <SpeedEvil> Sorry for pinging you uselessly.
Aug 01 20:54:00 <lardman> hi lcuk SpeedEvil
Aug 01 20:54:13 <lardman> np :)
Aug 01 20:54:14 <lcuk> lol SpeedEvil
Aug 01 20:54:28 <lcuk> i just drew a daisy
Aug 01 20:54:29 <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/liq.20110731_011052.flower.scr.png
Aug 01 20:54:37 <SpeedEvil> DElphinium rose, poppy, and I'm almost out.
Aug 01 20:54:41 <lcuk> was one of the first things using polyfill routine
Aug 01 20:54:44 <lardman> well PhotoAnalyser works nicely, so if you fancy writing a plugin to read DNA data graphically, that would work nicely :)
Aug 01 20:54:56 <SpeedEvil> Well - yes - and the daisy of course.
Aug 01 20:55:28 <lcuk> someone down the road is growing sunflowers
Aug 01 21:00:42 <lardman> hmm, libharmattaneventfeed doesn't have a debian directory
Aug 01 21:03:23 <lardman> shame we don't have an extras repo, would mean I'd not need to package it up myself, etc., etc
Aug 01 21:04:35 <lcuk> lardman, you should not have to package it up etc
Aug 01 21:04:56 <lcuk> if it is designed for use in harmattan, request a harmattan package
Aug 01 21:05:45 <lcuk> lardman, or can you just include it into your project, it is just a shim around dbus
Aug 01 21:06:17 <lardman> I know, but I'd prefer to use a library api than to either include the source directly or just re-implement the wrappers
Aug 01 21:06:24 <lardman> afterall if provides a useful service
Aug 01 21:07:34 <lcuk> lardman, for sure
Aug 01 21:07:46 * lcuk admires the eventview in harmattan
Aug 01 21:08:07 <lcuk> since the event view itself is as simple as that
Aug 01 21:08:19 <lcuk> perhaps we could make an eventview app on n9x0-ce
Aug 01 21:08:28 <lcuk> so same source from your side could compile
Aug 01 21:08:51 <lardman> would seem sensible
Aug 01 22:26:23 <gintoxic> hi!
Aug 01 22:26:29 <gintoxic> is samsung making a meego phone?
Aug 01 22:26:35 <wmarone> highly unlikely
Aug 01 22:26:57 <wmarone> they may make a non-Android, Debian based device eventually though
Aug 01 22:27:11 <gintoxic> hi wmarone !
Aug 01 22:27:27 <gintoxic> is there a way to get an open source phone to prevent governments from spying on them?
Aug 01 22:27:45 <wmarone> not really, unless you have the source for the baseband
Aug 01 22:28:00 <wmarone> you can always pull the battery and stop making phone calls if you are that concerned
Aug 01 22:28:17 <gintoxic> no i want to make phones that can communicate privately!
Aug 01 22:28:38 <gintoxic> phonetor
Aug 01 22:28:39 <wmarone> then you could transmit via the data channel, and encrypt everything
Aug 01 22:28:45 <gintoxic> yes
Aug 01 22:29:17 <wmarone> but spying, I have yet to see evidence that goes beyond GPS or tower triangulation
Aug 01 22:29:37 <gintoxic> well some was prevented
Aug 01 22:29:50 <gintoxic> :)
Aug 01 22:30:08 <gintoxic> it's not always a losing game!  but the wins are soemtimes secrit
Aug 01 22:31:07 <gintoxic> do you like video games?
Aug 01 22:31:33 <wmarone> kind of a random topic switch, but yes
Aug 01 22:32:16 <gintoxic> not at all
Aug 01 22:32:47 <gintoxic> when we play games we exchange a lot of data
Aug 01 22:32:56 <gintoxic> but we want to keep our accounts secure
Aug 01 22:34:36 <gintoxic> 'shall we play a game'
Aug 01 22:35:13 <gintoxic> so you are right, this much is our great inheritance from the men who made tcp/ip
Aug 01 22:37:27 <Ulf^> Al Gore? *g*
Aug 01 22:39:18 <gintoxic> freedom loving computer science guys
Aug 01 22:39:55 <gintoxic> the point-and-click people gave meego nice reviews
Aug 01 22:41:18 <npm> http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/bugzhibit-timeline.png http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/bugxhibit.png --> meego bugs viewed in http://code.google.com/p/qtzibit/
Aug 01 22:47:26 <vgrade> samsung are doing something meego, http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/AN3SAt1Nm6ykGwyr7gcQ
Aug 01 22:53:01 <vgrade> or were
Aug 01 22:57:12 <gintoxic> hi vgrade
Aug 01 22:57:16 <gintoxic> thanks for the info
Aug 01 22:59:22 <wmarone> vgrade: it will be interesting to see what (if anything) they do, seeing as how raster has been working heavily on -something- over there
Aug 01 23:05:57 <djszapi> Stskeeps mmh, same issue like ages ago :( http://paste.kde.org/104905/
Aug 01 23:14:51 <gintoxic> hey the stskeeps if we can help you please let know
Aug 01 23:15:38 <djszapi> if you talk to me, just read the link then =)
Aug 01 23:17:13 <SpeedEvil> wmarone: Indeed. It's a new cutting edge UI based around motif.
Aug 01 23:50:36 <gintoxic> youtube-dl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPSaEm6w0rw    me and my friends made this song in 1993-1994 MOTHAFUCKAAAAAS
Aug 02 00:56:15 <idreamer> hi... i'm go back to this rom for try to resolve my problem. I install meego on emmc on n900. now i want go back but i can't like this other user post on forum http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=80
Aug 02 00:56:29 <idreamer> someone can help me and my brick n900?
Aug 02 00:58:02 <idreamer> for example.... you use "u" key at poweron for flashing? o meego use other char?
Aug 02 01:02:58 <idreamer> help
Aug 02 01:10:21 <thiago> idreamer: the flashing tool talks to the bootloader, not to meego
Aug 02 01:10:28 <thiago> so it's still U
Aug 02 02:01:58 <Termana> morning
Aug 02 02:21:30 <berndhs> good night
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