**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 05 02:59:56 2011 Aug 05 05:25:35 morning Aug 05 06:44:13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRtQa9EE0xI Aug 05 06:44:20 new tabco movie Aug 05 06:44:27 used to play lemmings Aug 05 06:51:56 mmmhhhh, they "reinvented the wheel" ? Aug 05 06:53:32 guess they mean not to follow the trend but to think which operative system is the best, whatever now tabco uses :) Aug 05 06:59:05 yep, let's see ... I want to be on 15th August Aug 05 09:06:14 hi everybody, why speed of download " Meego for Netbook " is so so low ????? Aug 05 09:06:48 i download Aug 05 09:07:58 i download " Meego for Netbook " with 8 KB/S, but in same time i download eveything else with 150 KB/S Aug 05 09:08:09 anyone can help me? Aug 05 09:09:46 no one ??? Aug 05 09:12:44 .zZ Aug 05 09:12:56 have some patience please Aug 05 09:13:39 where are you downloading it from? Aug 05 09:13:45 link? Aug 05 09:14:29 from this link : http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2.0/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.2.0.img Aug 05 09:14:40 * timoph tries Aug 05 09:15:09 I'm getting ~4.5M/s Aug 05 09:15:28 so the problem seems to be at your end Aug 05 09:15:52 o to a kernel.org mirror closer to you. Aug 05 09:16:03 *go Aug 05 09:16:11 yep Aug 05 09:16:19 I've found that the routing to the kernel.org mirrors are better than getting the image from the meego server, but even still the peering to those isn't great sometimes Aug 05 09:16:43 slaine: Have you looked where repo redirects to :) Aug 05 09:16:44 oh :( so what can i do? :( Aug 05 09:17:03 X-Fade: I'm guessing mirrors.kernel.org :) Aug 05 09:17:12 You don't download from a meego server, you get redirected to a kernel.org mirror by mirrorbrain :) Aug 05 09:17:18 nod Aug 05 09:17:28 it's pretty crap most of the time Aug 05 09:17:30 But of course it can be that you get a badly located mirror for your location. Aug 05 09:17:36 i'm from iran, is that the reason of my slow speed? Aug 05 09:18:06 I'm from Ireland and I get slow speeds most of the time, possibly something to do with Ir in the name ;) Aug 05 09:18:17 Vampir3: That can be, check if there is a closer mirror at kernel.org. Aug 05 09:18:26 ^ Aug 05 09:18:28 try http://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.2.0/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.2.0.img Aug 05 09:19:34 timoph: oh dude, superb :) Aug 05 09:19:56 timoph: your link work great :) Aug 05 09:20:23 good Aug 05 09:20:58 thank all of you :) i'm going for download it :) bBye Aug 05 09:21:39 np. have fun with MeeGo Aug 05 09:36:10 arfoll: Is there a MeeGo TV .ks file as of yet ? Aug 05 09:36:45 slaine, no. CE41xx meego support is still.... pending Aug 05 09:37:15 arfoll, Yeah, but surely a Pineview type setup would be a good intermediate step ? Aug 05 09:37:37 slaine, no GDL on pineview so video playback wont work Aug 05 09:37:55 but sure you can grab the devel:tv:1.2 repo and add that to a meego pineview platform Aug 05 09:37:57 I'll guess I'll have to make my own from MeeGo Core Aug 05 09:38:32 slaine, if you want media playback on pineview go grab xbmc from home:arfoll:xbmc on c.obs Aug 05 09:38:54 arfoll: looking at doing my own thing Aug 05 09:39:01 !xbmc Aug 05 09:39:44 kk, well in that case just don't use GDL and all is good ;-) Aug 05 09:40:20 Also, not really used obs yet Aug 05 09:40:51 ehehe crash course time Aug 05 09:41:02 is this IBI? Aug 05 09:42:01 no, my port of the EFL based UI I have running on Fedora. Aug 05 09:42:12 oh enna? Aug 05 09:42:12 Initial step is to get that up and running MeeGo Aug 05 09:42:19 No, my own thin Aug 05 09:42:21 g Aug 05 09:42:28 kk, cool is that FOSS? Aug 05 09:42:34 No, work related Aug 05 09:42:38 :-( Aug 05 09:42:41 nod Aug 05 09:42:42 too bad Aug 05 09:42:51 most the EFL libs are allready ported Aug 05 09:42:59 I'm going to do a QML port in my spare time, which will be OSS Aug 05 09:43:35 First step is get a MeeGo instance running of what's there Aug 05 09:43:43 i ported efl for enna in home:arfoll:enna and captianigloo has updated pkgs Aug 05 09:43:55 can then pitch meego as a platform to my CTO Aug 05 09:44:00 cool Aug 05 09:44:58 arfoll: wow, enna's come a long way from when I last looked at it Aug 05 09:45:30 dev seems to haev stalled though Aug 05 09:45:44 yeah, dates from 2010 being the last update Aug 05 09:46:13 mercurial repo shows little activity since i packaged it Aug 05 09:46:43 i ported it on the plane rideback from dublin : http://www.madeo.co.uk/?p=687 Aug 05 09:55:12 arfoll: yeah, I remember that. He was working on a new STB theme too iirc Aug 05 09:55:17 must check out the site Aug 05 09:55:37 I wrote my own one back in 2006/2007 Aug 05 09:55:44 so it's pretty dated looking now Aug 05 09:55:52 there was an STB theme allready it crashed when loading, maybe its fixed Aug 05 09:56:00 * slaine shrugs Aug 05 09:56:27 gstreamer playback was quite poor so I gave up, although libplayer has had a bit more dev recently Aug 05 11:07:56 X-Fade: should the Harmattan COBS target behave in the same way as the scratchbox based harmattan SDK ? Aug 05 11:08:47 because I just build Gobject-Introspection withou any issues in scratchbox but it cant resolve/find Glib in COBS according to the log Aug 05 11:09:01 log: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=gobject-introspection&project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard Aug 05 11:41:26 I'm wanting to setup my own internal OBS at work, anyone have the Wiki page details on how to do that ? Aug 05 11:41:49 Stskeeps: this falls in line with the non-SSSE builds Aug 05 11:43:57 dominiq made a nice page Aug 05 11:44:08 opensuse private instance Aug 05 11:44:12 google for it Aug 05 11:46:55 This one I think, http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_private_instance Aug 05 11:51:39 yes Aug 05 11:59:02 wow, you really need some beefy kit Aug 05 13:30:45 hmm, just had a poke around and my core2duo desktop is better than any of the servers I've got spare Aug 05 14:34:44 afternoon folks \o Aug 05 14:38:04 howdy Aug 05 14:41:18 mornin, lcuk! Aug 05 14:46:44 hi berndhs gabrbedd Aug 05 14:47:05 I gater moslo is still pending for n950 use Aug 05 15:05:58 lcuk: I guess. Otherwise I'd be running CE on n950 now :) Aug 05 15:06:48 me too, happily have it on my n900 and tested fix for 20099 with it Aug 05 15:07:22 oh. you got it fixed? Aug 05 15:07:38 timoph, on my cobs I downloaded the packages and spec Aug 05 15:08:02 and then updated the source files, updated the package version, built, tested and confirmed it working Aug 05 15:08:25 bug 20099 latest comment Aug 05 15:08:28 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20099 nor, High, ---, geoff, ASSI, [CE] Calculator crashes after pressing any button and then "." . Aug 05 15:09:04 lcuk: assuming this is a meego-specific package, merge request on gitorious Aug 05 15:10:09 lcuk: I tried it on tablet, seems to work ok Aug 05 15:10:34 lcuk: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux/meego-app-calculator Aug 05 15:10:48 berndhs, it effected tablet-ux build of n900-ce but not general tablet ux Aug 05 15:11:00 yes that would explain it Aug 05 15:11:11 that was why I did not go the gitorious route Aug 05 15:11:17 ah Aug 05 15:16:01 w00t_, saesu - would it work on symbian too? Aug 05 15:16:52 yup, the only part that would need figuring out would be zeroconf Aug 05 15:17:45 (which it can do, I just don't know how) Aug 05 16:12:38 hi, in obs %{meego_version} is defined as 1.2 while all the other distros seem to only use integer numbers for versions. With integers, you can use the version definition in logical constructs but that doesn't work with a '1.2' definition Aug 05 16:13:02 I found out because I tried to add meego to this specfile test: %if 0%{?fedora_version} || 0%{?mandriva_version} Aug 05 16:13:15 by changing it to: %if 0%{?fedora_version} || 0%{?mandriva_version} || 0%{?meego_version} Aug 05 16:14:02 but that fails because meego_version is not an int. I looked around and saw lots of usage of the _version field in %if tests for other distros (e.g. %if 0%{?suse_version} >= 1030) Aug 05 16:14:11 that's right Aug 05 16:14:38 wouldn't it be beneficial to switch meego_version to an int ? Aug 05 16:16:03 probably Aug 05 16:22:01 csdb: you're better off making the spec as distro independent as you can of course, using pkconfig() to find package names for example Aug 05 16:23:13 berndhs, agree. But I'm modifying an existing specfile so I'd rather keep my mods to the minimum possible Aug 05 16:24:04 the version=1.2 issue has been know for about a year and a half, chances that they go to integer versions are slim Aug 05 16:24:34 sounds plausiblle for 1.3 though Aug 05 16:24:43 there is also %{vendor} or %{_vendor} (or both) Aug 05 16:25:15 I just tried %{?meego_version:1} which I'm guessing means pick up the first char of meego_version and it seems to have worked on the test above Aug 05 16:25:26 I guess as long as meego_version doesn't start with '0' Aug 05 16:26:04 basically you want to know if its defined at all, right ? Aug 05 16:26:47 yup. This did the trick: %if 0%{?fedora_version} || 0%{?mandriva_version} || 0%{?meego_version:1} Aug 05 16:27:36 Stskeeps, hi Aug 05 16:29:40 lo csdb, good to see you again Aug 05 16:30:32 csdb: does that work if its not meego ? Aug 05 16:31:17 Stskeeps, been out on other projs for a while Aug 05 16:31:47 berndhs, seems to. It still builds ok against my opensuse repos which I'd expect to fail if it didn't Aug 05 16:32:03 good, that's what I was wondering Aug 05 16:44:08 DawnFoster: welcome back, again Aug 05 16:44:43 slaine: thanks! Still trying to dig out of a week's worth of piled up work :) Aug 05 16:44:53 wb DawnFoster .... :) Aug 05 16:45:04 Friday's probably the Best day to come back from a vacation Aug 05 16:45:11 :) Aug 05 16:46:10 I'm liking the idea of a 1 day work week and then a weekend :) Aug 05 16:46:26 seems like a good way to ease back in after vacatin Aug 05 16:46:40 defo Aug 05 16:47:07 seems like a good way to work - full stop Aug 05 16:56:14 X-Fade: do you think it might be possible that OBS is calling debian/rules with -j / number of jobs set to something higher than 1? Aug 05 18:29:47 lbt, I am reading the postings you have made recently :) Aug 05 18:30:12 http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2011/08/restructure-meego-by-installments.html Aug 05 18:34:42 does anyone know how to get two packages into the meego repo? Aug 05 18:35:11 rradi, which repository Aug 05 18:35:11 specifically fuseiso http://sourceforge.net/projects/fuseiso as well as xorriso http://scdbackup.webframe.org/xorriso_eng.html Aug 05 18:35:33 main repo for netbooks Aug 05 18:35:48 both have GPL2 licenses Aug 05 18:36:10 rradi: does it have to be in the main repo ? or can you put it in a private repo on repo.pub.meego.com ? Aug 05 18:36:53 im absolutely new to this (really sorry), so i dont know what are the advantages/disadvantages of main vs private, and i dont know what it takes to create a private repo Aug 05 18:37:17 advantage of private is that you do it yourself, so you don't have to wait for anyone Aug 05 18:37:31 its still available to the world if they want it Aug 05 18:38:18 anyone can help me with problems with connman on another distro? Aug 05 18:38:20 but then for people to use my application (which needs these packages, which i will put in my private repo)., they have to manually add the repo into their system, right? and that could be painful for users Aug 05 18:39:12 or could i create within my installer a script that would add the repo silently and transparently? Aug 05 18:39:13 the users may have to get your application out of your private repo too Aug 05 18:39:55 rradi: I'm sure that getting it into the main MeeGo repos will be a hard task. For example... who is going to be mounting on a MeeGo TV set-top box, in a MeeGo-powered car, or on a MeeGo handset? Aug 05 18:40:12 ah ... hey rradi Aug 05 18:40:14 s/mounting/mounting an iso image with fuse/ Aug 05 18:40:15 gabrbedd meant: rradi: I'm sure that getting it into the main MeeGo repos will be a hard task. For example... who is going to be mounting an iso image with fuse on a MeeGo TV set-top box, in a MeeGo-powered car, or on a MeeGo handset? Aug 05 18:40:54 rradi: However, to get it in you'll need to file a bug at bugs.meego.com. You'll need to convince someone that this is important to MeeGo. Aug 05 18:41:35 gabrbedd: yes i see your point, thats why i thought we could get it on at least main "netbook" repo only, or there is no seperation? Aug 05 18:41:47 rradi: So, creating a private repo using the community OBS or even on your own web server will probably be the easiest way to accomplish it. Aug 05 18:41:56 best is probably to do it both ways, file a bug+request, and do it yourself so you know the whole thing works properly Aug 05 18:42:53 rradi: No, there is no separation. And the "netbook" version of MeeGo is /not/ considered a priority by the MeeGo leaders. Aug 05 18:43:41 ok, is there documentation on how to create a private repo using the community obs? Aug 05 18:43:50 rradi: meanwhile, adding it means that the MeeGo project will need to support it... so there needs to be a clear benefit to offset this cost. Aug 05 18:44:12 oh look, bug 14307 was closed for a stupid reason yet again Aug 05 18:44:14 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14307 nor, Medium, ---, kai.chai, REOP, kernel build with rpmbuild fails during prep Aug 05 18:44:17 yes, i understood now, thanks for explaining that...indeed then, it seems impossible without private repo Aug 05 18:44:27 rradi: In a nutshell... once you get an obs account... you automatically get a private repo. Aug 05 18:44:59 rradi: after you add a package to your project and build it, the results will be put into your own private repository. Aug 05 18:45:12 aha...thnks...again sorry for my ignorance...this helps Aug 05 18:45:46 rradi: search the wiki for instructions on getting a c.OBS account (if you haven't already). I'm sure it's there somewhere. Aug 05 18:46:03 rradi: no problem! best of luck to you! Aug 05 18:46:05 ok, will do..thanks may need to ping you again if i fall into any problems. hope you are ok with that :$ Aug 05 18:47:26 rradi: i don't use c.OBS much -- so I won't be a good resource. Someone will be here, though. :-) Aug 05 18:51:00 rradi: so yes, the first thing to do is get it published on the community OBS Aug 05 18:51:22 get a meego.com account, ask me/X-fade to enable it and then upload it Aug 05 18:51:58 eventually there will be options to go to a master 'apps' repo or a more general 'community distro' type repo Aug 05 18:53:35 lcuk: good - you like? Aug 05 19:00:29 lbt, yes Aug 05 19:00:39 sensible outlines of things Aug 05 19:00:43 as usual from yourself Aug 05 19:02:41 i notice on harmattan there is an eventsview Aug 05 19:02:58 if a similar events view were made as a panel for tablet ux Aug 05 19:03:06 and used the same dbus api Aug 05 19:03:26 then it would allow apps written to be compatible over perhaps n9x0-ce? Aug 05 19:06:09 gabrbedd, I made my first set of .spec files this week! Aug 05 19:07:42 yay Aug 05 19:07:50 lcuk: wow! You've been living in DEB land for /that/ long? Aug 05 19:07:56 lcuk: whaddayathink? Aug 05 19:11:07 gabrbedd, it was not the .spec more the obs learning curve Aug 05 19:11:22 I was still happy with "make; sudo make install" Aug 05 19:15:45 lcuk: yeah, for development I use PREFIX as a sort of package manager. Aug 05 19:16:17 lcuk: Install with $ ./configure --prefix=$HOME/prefix-appname && make && make install Aug 05 19:16:31 lcuk: Uninstall with $ rm -rf ~/prefix-appname Aug 05 19:16:32 :-) Aug 05 19:17:34 heh Aug 05 19:17:57 so has everyone read that vision mobile report? Aug 05 19:19:04 ali1234: no... link? Aug 05 19:20:21 http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2011/07/the-open-governance-index-measuring-openness-from-android-to-webkit/ Aug 05 19:20:31 meego ranks higher than Qt Aug 05 19:20:36 which made me lol Aug 05 19:22:16 (the full pdf with their metrics is free as well) Aug 05 19:23:39 Yeah, I think they got that part wrong. But it's a start, Aug 05 19:23:42 Of something. Aug 05 19:23:44 I guess. Aug 05 19:25:00 if you take their ranking to mean "this is how open the project WANTS to be" then it's correct Aug 05 19:44:01 gabrbedd, how do I install the indamixx apps on meego Aug 05 19:47:38 lcuk: Honestly, you can't. They're stored in a private repo. Aug 05 19:47:46 sorry. :-( Aug 05 19:49:20 gabrbedd, that is understandable Aug 05 19:49:36 * lcuk was just wanting to make some music on ideapad Aug 05 19:50:14 lcuk: about 90% of what we were doing was OSS apps, though. The only hard part for those was porting the deps. Aug 05 19:50:33 lcuk: you running tablet build? or netbook? Aug 05 19:50:36 gabrbedd, of course - that is the normal way Aug 05 19:50:53 netbook still, when tablet came out I had lots of data on it already Aug 05 19:51:12 it has become the house computer running liqbase most of the time Aug 05 19:51:32 lcuk: Well, I was going to recommend you try Yoshimi (a virtual synth)... but the FLTK menus don't work with the netbook WM. Aug 05 19:53:21 lcuk: also, Ivory (a virtual midi controller) is my own project, so I could share the code with you. (I haven't released it publicly, yet.) Aug 05 19:58:34 gabrbedd, oo that sounds cool, if you have already published it it would be good to try Aug 05 19:59:15 lcuk: only problem... it's no phun without a synth. :-) Aug 05 19:59:32 gabrbedd, bah! Aug 05 20:00:30 gabrbedd, I might have a go at making a multitouch instrument Aug 05 20:00:59 * lcuk rarely considers music on computers Aug 05 20:01:47 lcuk: Well, Yoshimi is a really sharp instrument. So Ivory + Yoshimi is killer, IMHO. Aug 05 20:02:03 (Ivory is MT) Aug 05 20:02:28 lcuk: On the tablet... yoshimi works OK. Just not the netbook. Aug 05 20:05:19 gabrbedd, cool, next time I have tablet ux up I will give you a prod Aug 05 20:05:40 evening Aug 05 20:05:54 hiya timoph \o Aug 05 20:06:00 enjoying your friday? Aug 05 20:06:03 o/ Aug 05 20:06:05 I am Aug 05 20:06:11 are you at ASM? Aug 05 20:06:15 no Aug 05 20:06:28 I'm thinking of going tomorrow Aug 05 20:06:40 been coding a game the whole evening.. Aug 05 20:06:46 :D Aug 05 20:07:24 timoph, what kind of game? Aug 05 20:07:50 accelerometer controlled cycling game :) Aug 05 20:08:09 :D Aug 05 20:08:17 I am going for a real bike ride on Sunday! Aug 05 20:08:48 around manchester they have a route set aside for cycling only for the day Aug 05 20:09:04 basic idea: driving home after a night at the local bar Aug 05 20:09:04 according to my mum who did it a couple of years ago, its an awesome sensation Aug 05 20:09:22 timoph, lol Aug 05 20:09:56 "4. Community: a community structure that does not discriminate between developers" ... uh huh Aug 05 20:09:59 trying to steer away from cows and whatever roadblocks Aug 05 20:10:18 timoph, lol Aug 05 20:10:27 have winter levels too Aug 05 20:10:32 :) Aug 05 20:10:38 where the controls are more slippery on the ice Aug 05 20:10:56 no. that's the sequel or winter edition :) Aug 05 20:11:03 timoph, I guess this is qgv? or is it in qml Aug 05 20:11:15 qml + qt c++ Aug 05 20:11:18 neat Aug 05 20:11:44 lcuk: seen this? http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/25/meego-conference-2011-sights-and-sounds-video/ Aug 05 20:13:00 lbt: where's that quote from? Aug 05 20:15:12 gabrbedd, no!! Aug 05 20:16:37 * lcuk eats a chicken legend whilst watching video Aug 05 20:19:34 hm not playing here Aug 05 20:24:16 lcuk: the video works for me (if that's any help) Aug 05 20:26:10 gabrbedd, hm viddler won't start playing here Aug 05 20:26:31 I will try it again shortly, gotta go feed the baby Aug 05 20:38:44 * timoph goes to bed Aug 05 20:41:17 g'night, timoph! Aug 05 22:25:36 timoph: lbt was quoting the report i linked, see http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2011/07/the-open-governance-index-measuring-openness-from-android-to-webkit/ Aug 05 22:34:58 you know, there's a big fat elephant missing from that report: ubuntu Aug 05 22:35:07 just saying :) Aug 05 22:41:32 * thiago needs to fully read the report and reply to its author Aug 05 22:41:38 she interviewed me last year for it Aug 05 22:42:35 I spent most of my time talking about open governance, open standards, open development Aug 06 01:51:39 apparently a project that requires full copyright assignment is "more" open than one that doesn't Aug 06 01:57:53 morning Aug 06 02:53:10 does anyone have a link to the page that lists what libs people have compiled? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 06 02:59:57 2011