**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 07 02:59:57 2011 Aug 07 05:32:23 top - 22:30:54 up 1 day, 21:07, 1 user, load average: 42.29, 22.05, 9.06 Aug 07 05:55:42 morning Aug 07 06:04:52 npm: light idling? :p Aug 07 06:24:12 good moaning Aug 07 07:18:49 Will we have MeeGo official repository? Like Market on Android or AppStore on iOS. Aug 07 07:19:39 AWasisto: are you asking for an 'app store' type of thing OR for 'package repositories'? Aug 07 07:20:23 what's the difference? Aug 07 07:20:35 money Aug 07 07:20:59 in that case the answer is no to both Aug 07 07:21:30 An application store I mean. Aug 07 07:21:36 but yep. dunno if there's going to be a one stop store for all meego flavours. well formeego.org could become one Aug 07 07:23:04 but not for commercial stuff Aug 07 07:24:15 the intention is to have apps.formeego.org become the app store for FOSS applications Aug 07 07:24:25 yep Aug 07 07:24:40 for commercial applications that will be either vendor specific or some 3rd party will have to step up Aug 07 07:24:55 or the LF will have to contract some party Aug 07 07:25:37 is formeego going to use those special rules where two people can't upload the same app, with precidence and right of veto given to the "original" developer - where "original" developer is extremely unclearly defined? Aug 07 07:26:24 does it need a veto system? Aug 07 07:26:52 in my opinion no Aug 07 07:26:58 but i'm not the one behind it Aug 07 07:27:02 * timoph nods Aug 07 07:27:11 the whole veto thing is lbt's idea Aug 07 07:27:15 ah Aug 07 07:27:24 I remember now Aug 07 07:27:27 as a way to avoid the GPL while maintaining a monopoly over sale of your software Aug 07 07:27:44 the discussion on selling OSS in appup Aug 07 07:27:49 yes :) Aug 07 07:28:59 I understood that formeego would be something like maemo extras so there's no price tags Aug 07 07:29:25 that's what i understood too, but hey, why not get on the appstore bus? Aug 07 07:29:38 or impliment that "donations" system that was suggested for maemo Aug 07 07:30:31 If formeego is the store for FOSS, where commercial app will be placed? Aug 07 07:30:49 I wouldn't start selling OSS there but some donation system would be nice Aug 07 07:30:58 AWasisto: it will be up to the OEM and where applicable, the network operator Aug 07 07:31:23 AWasisto: I think those are vendor specific - appup, ovi store, wetab market,.. Aug 07 07:31:48 will MeeGo still live? Aug 07 07:32:01 args[0]: after what? Aug 07 07:32:05 How about my MeeGo on N900? Aug 07 07:32:09 seems alive to me Aug 07 07:32:20 There's no Ovi. Aug 07 07:32:21 Doesn't seem that any hardware company is supporting MeeGo anymore :/ timoph Aug 07 07:32:30 AWasisto: and will not be Aug 07 07:32:30 oh man Aug 07 07:32:34 except for intel and nokia lol Aug 07 07:32:38 not this discussion again Aug 07 07:32:45 yep Aug 07 07:32:46 i know right Aug 07 07:32:50 ali1234: intel yeah, but not sure about nokia Aug 07 07:33:17 args[0]: please don't start yet another of these pointless discussion here Aug 07 07:33:54 #meego-bar was started for these discussions ;) Aug 07 07:33:54 timoph: Error: "meego-bar" is not a valid command. Aug 07 07:34:03 timoph: whats wrong? i am interested to know about MeeGo and want to ask questions here.. unless you are the moderator of this room and I didn't know Aug 07 07:34:18 * timoph gives the-boss a cookie Aug 07 07:35:07 was just saying that I've seen to many instances of the same exact discussion Aug 07 07:35:45 this is my first time here, i dont care what you've seen :) Aug 07 07:35:50 and it almost never leads anywhere Aug 07 07:36:09 so it is uncertain Aug 07 07:36:11 args[0]: the logs for this channel are public though Aug 07 07:37:18 also the people in here do not know about future products, that is for vendors to announce Aug 07 07:38:15 i dont think it will die anyway, open-sourced software is always powerful and backed by a big community Aug 07 07:39:36 and a small chip maker called intel for example :p Aug 07 07:40:29 timoph: btw did you see the vision mobile report? Aug 07 07:40:40 (what lbt was quoting from the other day) Aug 07 07:42:31 ali1234: yep. quicky read it through Aug 07 07:42:54 args[0]: and there's a numbers of different companies involved in different MeeGo working groups, from what I understand - it's just that even if someone would work on a product shipped with MeeGo, they won't tell anyone before it's ready Aug 07 07:44:27 timoph: at the end there's a big table of rating. some of the ways they rank things seem odd. eg using apache code makes you "more" open than using GPL, as does requiring all contributors to assign copyright to you Aug 07 07:44:40 *apache license i mean Aug 07 07:44:45 that's because no device vendor out there has understood yet how to use the community for their advantage even in development Aug 07 07:45:19 copyright assignment is a very closed-thinking principle, IMHO Aug 07 07:45:22 ali1234: yeah. noticed that. and it's clearly an outsiders view on the projects Aug 07 07:45:54 timoph: KaIRC: yep! Aug 07 07:47:32 actually i think google does understand how to "use" community - you just let them get on with doing their own thing (cyanogenmod) and then cherry pick what you can - so they have a bunch of people developing and testing *very* beta code with absolutely no liability to themselves. Aug 07 07:47:59 just because they don't actively participate does not mean they are not watching Aug 07 07:48:06 yep Aug 07 07:48:19 Google does not work with but against the community in most cases Aug 07 07:48:25 even Nokia is better there Aug 07 07:48:44 well i'm going to need a citation for that one Aug 07 07:48:46 throwing code over the fence is only hurting, but not helping the community IMHO Aug 07 07:48:54 i know for a fact that google does work with the community Aug 07 07:49:14 releasing code in that manner is the way open source has been done since it began Aug 07 07:49:21 they throw code over the fence and let nobody contribute to their code, that's not much better than how Apple works, in my eyes Aug 07 07:49:27 "this code is released in the hope it will be useful but without warranty of any kind" Aug 07 07:49:43 any we don't give a shiot about anyone using or improving it Aug 07 07:49:56 anfd if we deciode that we don't release it, then we don't Aug 07 07:50:18 that's "make the community beleieve we're friendly even though we give a shit about them" Aug 07 07:50:29 lol Aug 07 07:50:42 because open source communities are well known around the world for being highly noob-friendly, right? Aug 07 07:51:00 in my eyes that's even worse than Apple because it's inhonest Aug 07 07:51:39 what exactly do you want? Aug 07 07:53:59 sorry, need to leave for the day Aug 07 08:01:29 KaIRC: have you seen the Vision Mobile report? Aug 07 08:04:32 that's what we were talking about to start this :) Aug 07 08:06:19 oh, ok Aug 07 08:06:26 did you see Chris DiBona's comment on it? Aug 07 08:07:13 i don't think so. got a link? Aug 07 08:08:53 looking for it? Aug 07 08:09:12 s/\?// Aug 07 08:09:24 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/how-open-is-googles-android/9357 Aug 07 08:09:37 thiago: you can stop looking :) Aug 07 08:11:23 https://plus.google.com/114765095157367281222/posts/VjjxfHcc2dg Aug 07 08:11:37 i have to say i agree with his take Aug 07 08:13:07 https://plus.google.com/114765095157367281222/posts/VjjxfHcc2dg Aug 07 08:13:23 * thiago had to look over his g+ stream to find it Aug 07 08:13:57 I partly agree: it's true that being available, opensource and buildable are more important Aug 07 08:14:14 but the beginning of the story from the report is: once you have that, what's next? Aug 07 08:14:20 and Android takes the last spot Aug 07 08:15:04 personally i'm still grappling with step 3 when it comes to meego Aug 07 08:16:33 the building? Aug 07 08:16:41 yes Aug 07 08:18:54 it's true that MeeGo doesn't have a master Makefile but you *can* build it Aug 07 08:19:14 the only problem i had building android was when they crashed the webkit repo due to overload :) Aug 07 08:19:16 the OBS proves that it can :-) Aug 07 08:19:28 yep :) Aug 07 08:19:45 but OBS is a complete nightmare to set up Aug 07 08:20:37 why do you need your own obs? Aug 07 08:20:50 because otherwise *i* can't build it Aug 07 08:21:07 it's not even clear if i could build it even if i had my own OBS, because i have an AMD system Aug 07 08:21:29 actually, i do have an OBS system in a VM somewhere, that's about as far as i got Aug 07 08:21:59 you'll note that he says "Can I build it?" not "Can it be built?" Aug 07 08:23:17 well IMO you can but I do admit that it isn't that simple in all cases Aug 07 09:25:55 hey can anyone tell me if meego supports LUKS devices, like if i plug in an external hard drive that has a LUKS partition and an ext4 partition within the LUKS container? Aug 07 09:27:43 also, can meego be installed into/on/in LUKS? Aug 07 10:20:39 Delahunt: it should, but there might be no auto-magic. so you'd need to check if the crypto tools are there and use them on the command line. Aug 07 10:22:18 but if they are there it should be possible for me to add to the init scripts to unlock /home and (if necessary) create scripts/launchers to do this, right? Aug 07 10:22:28 a little self-work isn't so bad Aug 07 10:22:36 er, a little customization Aug 07 10:29:04 Delahunt: yeah, there is also some home partition encryption available by default IIRC Aug 07 10:29:16 at least on the netbook images Aug 07 10:31:51 ok so afaik all i'd have to do is script a launcher that launches a script inside of Terminal or some console type gui app that will allow me to input luks password for my external hard drive (which is my backup), mount it, back up to it, then unmount and luksClose Aug 07 10:31:53 brb Aug 07 10:35:53 *nod* Aug 07 11:18:42 c.obs is telling me DE Trunk setup is broken :-( Aug 07 11:19:16 is it fallout from yesterdays downtime? Aug 07 11:19:31 * dm8tbr prods lbt and X-Fade Aug 07 11:19:38 quite possibly Aug 07 11:20:04 it's sunday so i'll find something better to occupy myself ;-) Aug 07 11:22:10 what a cunning plan! *smokebomb* *disappear* Aug 07 11:22:36 looking Aug 07 11:22:51 that didn't take long :) Aug 07 11:23:17 wish main obs response took 4 minutes too Aug 07 11:23:28 yeah Aug 07 11:23:43 seriously lbt take a break you're making them look bad Aug 07 11:24:48 hehe .... off out this pm so you'll be on your own Aug 07 11:26:10 oh no... *shudders* Aug 07 11:30:58 OK ... core OB public API is still down Aug 07 11:31:11 lbt: Anyone reason why obs states that a package is broken when log shows that the package(s) were actually build Aug 07 11:31:18 -one Aug 07 11:31:59 dm8tbr: in order to chack that you need to curl https://api.meego.com/public/lastevents then get the 'next' value.... subtract 10 and then do curl https://api.meego.com/public/lastevents?start= Aug 07 11:32:10 timoph: eg? Aug 07 11:32:25 e.g. plasma-mobile in Project:KDE:Devel Aug 07 11:32:52 so the person bringing back up the web ui doesn't bother to open up the public API? this is ridiculous Aug 07 11:32:59 correct Aug 07 11:33:45 how come DE/CE builds agains pub OBS and not internally? Aug 07 11:35:08 jeh Aug 07 11:37:16 arfoll: they're being a good reference vendor ... and highlighting that meego doesn't give a crap about customers :) Sure we can avoid this (Nokia used to) by running weekly rsyncs and building against snapshots. That's a good way to put a bit of distance between core and customer.... Aug 07 11:38:07 and, to be fair, "supporting customers" is not one of MeeGo's goals Aug 07 11:38:40 blame the TSG or whoever for not making sure we actually have that as an objective... Aug 07 11:39:05 ahaha ok Aug 07 11:39:55 maybe c.obs should rsync meego obs and vendors link to there instead... Aug 07 11:39:58 What *are* Meego goals nowadays? Aug 07 11:40:17 I mean, I do have some suspicions but wishing to verify them Aug 07 11:40:31 making sure developers have a rest on weekends Aug 07 11:40:36 :) Aug 07 11:42:26 lbt: thanks I'll have a look. is this something I can possibly check automagically using icinga? :) Aug 07 11:42:33 yes Aug 07 11:42:42 that's what I meant :) Aug 07 11:43:01 gimme a minute ... perl ? Aug 07 11:43:04 or bash? Aug 07 11:43:24 and JFTR Tieto does the same as Nokia. I do rsyncs from time to time. just works (tm) Aug 07 11:43:40 lbt: either is fine. I'm not going to complain if you have something for me :) Aug 07 11:43:53 I'm out in a minute or two so will look at it later on Aug 07 11:43:53 us :) Aug 07 11:50:43 dm8tbr: if curl -s "https://api.meego.com/public/lastevents?start=$(echo $(( $(curl -s https://api.meego.com/public/lastevents | cut -f2 -d'"') - 10 )))" | grep -q "remote error"; then echo Public API down; else echo Public API up; fi Aug 07 12:00:30 * dm8tbr tries to find the syntax error in the above Aug 07 12:01:00 at least my bash barfs Aug 07 12:04:29 missing then? Aug 07 12:04:38 dm8tbr: nah .. WFM .... Aug 07 12:05:00 http://pastie.org/2334175 Aug 07 12:05:45 and it assumes https://api.meego.com responds.. Aug 07 12:10:54 lbt: that works now, thanks Aug 07 12:11:04 must have been some paste problem Aug 07 12:11:16 ah, yes, my irc client cut off a bit :/ Aug 07 12:11:29 ah... OK Aug 07 12:15:22 lbt: and I'll add that as a service check, so it won't try to do this if the host is considered down. Aug 07 14:01:51 Hi all, anyone here ever use SDL_gles on maemo? I'm trying to port darkplaces to N900 and I'm getting 2 screens: 1. Title correct, but black screen; 2. Title "unknown", but has menu of game. Any pointers on what I might be screwing up? Aug 07 14:02:24 wrong channel? try #maemo Aug 07 14:03:58 Noone there responds (so probably noone there has used it). Since a lot of the developers from maemo moved to meego, I figured I'd try here as well :) Aug 07 14:06:29 ah :) Aug 07 14:22:04 maybe I'll wait for the nicer version of QDBus in Qt5 Aug 07 14:49:22 lbt, the meego api Aug 07 14:49:32 seems to be building now Aug 07 14:49:41 for DE target Aug 07 14:49:44 would that be able to tell my device in a push manner that new build is ready? Aug 07 14:49:48 hi timoph \o Aug 07 14:49:52 o/ Aug 07 14:50:13 lcuk: packaged samegame for your n950 :) Aug 07 14:50:15 I have just returned from manchester, muscles are aching that I have not used since I got a car Aug 07 14:50:24 timoph, as a debian package? Aug 07 14:50:28 yep Aug 07 14:50:38 oh cooleo Aug 07 14:50:43 haven't tried it from the repo yet though Aug 07 14:50:58 i just reflashed it last night so can add some repositories and test Aug 07 14:51:26 i came across a method for mapping a set of touchscreens physical locations last night Aug 07 14:51:39 but i need to make the app run on multiple units Aug 07 14:51:58 ok. I was wrong DE target is not working :/ Aug 07 14:52:21 err Aug 07 14:52:27 it will be nice when n950-ce gets moving Aug 07 14:52:32 yep Aug 07 14:53:06 i keep accidentally catching finger on the app launcher in n950 Aug 07 14:53:21 the capacitive is very sensitive Aug 07 14:53:35 yep I noticed Aug 07 14:54:00 I keep retweeting, etc by accident on mobile twitter :) Aug 07 14:54:36 ha ha Aug 07 14:59:10 lcuk: but yeah. I've seen the CE running on n950 and it works very smoothly Aug 07 14:59:37 timoph, at a meego-fi meeting? Aug 07 14:59:43 e.g. fennec starts in under 2 secs Aug 07 14:59:45 yep Aug 07 14:59:56 cool Aug 07 15:00:11 i shall get samegame on this n950 today Aug 07 15:00:22 and ponder whether I can do the mapping in similar manner Aug 07 15:00:41 i am curious: when I got my n900, I could run binaries built for n810 Aug 07 15:00:55 huh Aug 07 15:00:56 when I got my n950, it runs binaries built for n900 Aug 07 15:01:10 I am going to try and run n810 binary on my n950 Aug 07 15:01:11 Qt? Aug 07 15:01:23 if that works, a quick scp across all my devices will be fun Aug 07 15:01:33 no, these are liqbase apps Aug 07 15:01:40 ah Aug 07 15:01:49 i cannot run latest qt on my n8x0s Aug 07 15:01:55 true Aug 07 15:02:08 It shouldn't do, the N950 is supposed to be hardfp Aug 07 15:02:18 keyboard on n950 feels as big as n810 one Aug 07 15:02:28 Do you use integer arithmetic for everything? Aug 07 15:02:31 alterego, harp/soft fp only inteferes with fp calls Aug 07 15:02:45 indeed Aug 07 15:04:03 lcuk: and the N9 hw keyboard will feel as big as the N800 hw keyboard Aug 07 15:04:14 lol! Aug 07 15:04:34 thiago, not quite. Aug 07 15:04:42 thiago, perhaps later devices will add a cover like the 770 Aug 07 15:06:38 GAN900: not quite? Aug 07 15:07:45 thiago, I'd argue resistive makes a better swing at being a soft-hardware keyboard than capacitive. ;) Aug 07 15:08:04 GAN900: I went back and wrote "hw keyboard" Aug 07 15:11:02 i.e., resistive actually provides some form of tactile feedback. Aug 07 15:11:22 the vkb on n950 is very good :) Aug 07 15:11:33 maliit is awesome Aug 07 15:14:35 GAN900: well, the N9/N950 and even the symbian devices fake it by vibrating anyway Aug 07 15:15:00 If you're running something better than w22, anyway. Aug 07 15:20:20 is there certain android phones you can switch to meego easily with low or minimal hardware issues? Aug 07 15:21:02 iluminator101: zero Aug 07 15:21:38 i was thinking since they both run the kernel it would easy to switch meego Aug 07 15:21:52 hello all you good people Aug 07 15:22:50 Somebody needs to release a nice IPS MeeGo tablet. Aug 07 15:23:38 this is my first run of meego, can it run bash, sh scripts on startup to get firefox to startup on first run ? Aug 07 15:23:51 at boot Aug 07 15:24:22 ah, i see its google chrome Aug 07 15:24:45 same question , different browser ... Aug 07 15:26:07 it has bash as the default shell so yes Aug 07 15:26:33 okey, so where would you put an script to run on boot ? Aug 07 15:26:53 init.rc ? or is there an gui that can do the same trick ? Aug 07 15:28:06 well depends on the version of meego Aug 07 15:28:46 I don't really understand why you want to do it like that Aug 07 15:28:49 and the UX Aug 07 15:29:18 if you're building a custom meego just add it to the image when you're building it Aug 07 15:30:01 i was thinking to use it for kiosk mode.. would startup the browser in an webpage to visit Aug 07 15:31:05 so it would start browser after boot and point it to a specific url Aug 07 15:31:08 but i guess i will have to do some research into how meego works Aug 07 15:31:12 yes Aug 07 15:31:34 also would do an F11 for fullscreen Aug 07 15:31:41 meego-test: you actually want to add to uxstart Aug 07 15:32:08 okey Aug 07 15:32:11 cool Aug 07 15:34:50 where to find uxstart.. Aug 07 15:36:52 are you here the developers of meego ? Aug 07 15:37:03 not a lot of users on the channel.. Aug 07 15:38:55 find / -name uxlaunch 2>/dev/null Aug 07 15:39:25 meego-test: 415 people here Aug 07 15:39:33 that's not a lot of people? Aug 07 15:40:02 came from the ubuntu channel Aug 07 15:41:04 that's not a very good sample Aug 07 15:41:22 big channels on Freenode have a couple hundred people Aug 07 15:41:35 so at 415, we're rather big Aug 07 15:41:45 okey, i see Aug 07 15:42:34 when i installed meego 1.2 on my asus eeepc 900a updates will not work Aug 07 15:44:01 linuxman410: are you able to connect to the internet? Aug 07 15:44:59 yes Aug 07 15:45:44 CosmoHill i can connect to internet just fine Aug 07 15:46:44 CosmoHill i tried to update with app and in terminal Aug 07 15:47:29 CosmoHill half the apps do not work in 1.2 either Aug 07 15:47:49 how odd Aug 07 15:48:47 CosmoHill i downloaded version with chrome is there a difference Aug 07 15:49:20 the only difference should be Chrome because it requires you to agree to a EULA before you can download it Aug 07 15:50:02 guess i will try to reinstall and see what happens Aug 07 15:51:02 i have been building pc' s for musea use , interactive kind of way' s and used ubuntu for the backend, i stumbled unto meego, its lightweight, could be an alternative.. Aug 07 17:15:24 so I have a cluster of touch devices Aug 07 17:15:32 they are able to communicate over the network Aug 07 17:15:41 so know that other devices are present Aug 07 17:16:01 mapping physical locations of each of them and interrelations Aug 07 17:16:19 i have considered a few, mostly involving photographing a barcode on the screen Aug 07 17:16:23 but a more fun approach Aug 07 17:16:28 would be having map mode Aug 07 17:16:36 with a dot in the centre of each screen Aug 07 17:16:46 drawing a line between each of the dots Aug 07 17:17:05 will give interrelationships in locations Aug 07 17:17:21 based on where point/stroke leaves one screen and joins the adjacent one Aug 07 17:17:37 and it is visual and requires participation :) Aug 07 17:18:01 once the screen is mapped, a large playfield is created :) Aug 07 17:18:14 where multiplayer games can go over the full surface Aug 07 17:18:15 :) Aug 07 17:18:47 would be good to try with a 3*3 block of n9s Aug 07 17:19:12 lcuk: .o/ Aug 07 17:19:18 hiya CosmoHill \o Aug 07 17:19:29 * lcuk been pondering this all the way round the bike ride Aug 07 17:20:07 I've been keeping my mind busy and off tomorrow's interview Aug 07 17:20:31 yeah, have you been doing clusters stuff too? Aug 07 17:20:45 no, still got to fix the cluster at uni Aug 07 17:20:50 no idea how tho Aug 07 17:22:22 whats broken with it? Aug 07 17:23:32 all the jobs to run on it fail and it doesn't use the cluster as a cluster, one node seems to be doing all the work and any processor load on the others can be attrubted to network data transfer Aug 07 17:25:53 new load balancing algorithm ? Aug 07 17:26:35 CosmoHill, is it the specific node computer itself? Aug 07 17:26:58 normally the first node Aug 07 17:27:22 I can run my MPI programs just fine on it so we think it's the Ansys software / configuration Aug 07 17:27:39 so it is possibly configuration Aug 07 17:27:54 * lcuk should look up whilst typing :P Aug 07 17:28:33 the big problem is that nobody knows how to Aug 07 17:29:17 didn't you just ace some kind of exam in this? Aug 07 17:29:20 * lcuk ducks Aug 07 17:29:51 ansys is used by the engineering department (not mine) and they don't do clustering Aug 07 17:30:04 the MS HPC side of it seems to be working fine Aug 07 17:37:46 lcuk: wacom? Aug 07 17:45:07 sage, nm it wasnt you Aug 07 17:45:23 :) Aug 07 18:20:11 damn laptop Aug 07 18:20:43 hi there Aug 07 18:20:50 the slashdot thread on kde + wayland is hilarious Aug 07 18:20:55 arrogance abound Aug 07 18:20:58 how can i startup an sh script on boot ? Aug 07 18:21:22 put it in /etc/init.d and create a link to it Aug 07 18:21:49 the link would be /etc/rc#.d/S### Aug 07 18:22:02 not use uxlaunch Aug 07 18:22:04 ? Aug 07 18:22:21 wmarone link plz Aug 07 18:22:33 http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/08/07/1325209/KDE-Plans-To-Support-Wayland-In-2012 Aug 07 18:22:36 you could use that, I'm only familar with init.d methods Aug 07 18:23:14 i tried , /home/meego/start-chromium-kiosk.sh in uxlaunch Aug 07 18:23:27 is that the right way to go? Aug 07 18:23:51 I have no idea tbh :) Aug 07 18:23:55 hehe Aug 07 18:24:05 dunno if /etc/xdg/autostart would work for you Aug 07 18:25:04 it has only desktop entries Aug 07 18:25:15 dont know if i can put an sh script there Aug 07 18:25:36 yep. you could make a desktop file that launches your script Aug 07 18:25:44 i have a feeling its not the right place.. Aug 07 18:25:48 lcuk -- here's another item to add to things that can be done w/ networked handhelds http://qmidictl.sourceforge.net/qmidictl-index.html && http://qmidinet.sourceforge.net/qmidinet-index.html && Aug 07 18:26:36 or have a desktop file that lauches the browser with cmd line parameters Aug 07 18:27:07 hmm, i need it to "auto start" on boot Aug 07 18:27:15 npm, cool Aug 07 18:27:25 I have used OpenSoundControl in the past for projects Aug 07 18:27:26 midi isn't only for music... it's just a protocol Aug 07 18:27:34 and is what some of my other prototypes work on Aug 07 18:27:40 cool Aug 07 18:27:40 there isn't a qt port yet Aug 07 18:27:45 it *is* qt Aug 07 18:27:53 that's why they start w/ q Aug 07 18:27:56 your thingie is Aug 07 18:28:03 i was saying about osc Aug 07 18:28:06 oh Aug 07 18:28:10 i think there is Aug 07 18:28:27 oh coolio Aug 07 18:28:57 qtractor has it (same author as other "q" tools). ... http://www.arnoldarts.de/drupal/?q=ofqf Aug 07 18:29:33 npm!!!!! Aug 07 18:29:34 let me know when you're done porting it to harmattan so i can use it :-) Aug 07 18:29:51 lol Aug 07 18:30:26 * lcuk puts that on the code to tinker with pile Aug 07 18:31:15 meanwhile I should see if samegame works on n950 Aug 07 18:31:43 there ought to be a name for using open source to get other people to whitewash your fence (ala tom sawyer) Aug 07 18:32:01 a subclass of geek-sniping i think Aug 07 18:32:18 barn building :) Aug 07 18:32:27 is the common description Aug 07 18:33:41 i call it behlendorfing :-) Aug 07 18:35:54 i like meego . but i cant get it to do what i want Aug 07 18:35:55 :) Aug 07 18:36:59 yellabs-r2, what do you want it to do? Aug 07 18:37:24 timoph, o_O harmattan browser cannot directly download the debs out of the repository Aug 07 18:37:45 wmarone: I was going to say that the discussion was way more proWayland than I expected Aug 07 18:37:50 run sh scripts at startup Aug 07 18:37:52 hehe Aug 07 18:37:54 i was trying to just get individual debs from the website but application/x-gzip is not supported Aug 07 18:38:15 hi, I've got this substandard android tablet device, I'd like to get meego on it if possible. I can't seem to access the HD, any ideas? I was thinking perhaps it would be possible to telnet to the device Aug 07 18:38:37 wmarone: I am browsing at score>4 threshold though =) Aug 07 18:38:39 is there an website that explains this maybe ? Aug 07 18:38:49 javispedro: yes, you are sparing yourself ;) Aug 07 18:38:51 would be nice , tips welcome Aug 07 18:39:09 *score>=4 Aug 07 18:50:51 * lcuk tips hat to timoph - samegame and snake both installed Aug 07 18:51:08 debian package description is not filled in I note Aug 07 18:52:00 yeah. and icons don't work :) Aug 07 18:52:18 * timoph makes a note to remember to fix those Aug 07 18:52:23 timoph, square icons are normal?! Aug 07 18:53:23 the big red squares? :p Aug 07 18:53:38 world financial crisis, hunger in africa, and square icons Aug 07 18:53:58 :) Aug 07 18:55:43 whats the name of the filemanager on the bash ? Aug 07 18:56:11 terminal Aug 07 18:56:24 command for file manager... Aug 07 18:56:27 ? Aug 07 18:59:53 bah, diablo package is not compatible with harmattan (purely for lack of libosso) Aug 07 19:01:11 nevermind i cp the file Aug 07 19:03:41 lcuk: oh, libosso was on SDK repo? Aug 07 19:05:25 javispedro, didn't look Aug 07 19:05:33 it is Aug 07 19:05:35 was just seeing if liqbase diablo build would work on harmattan Aug 07 19:05:37 weird it is not on device Aug 07 19:06:31 lcuk: thanks to your discovery that loader doesn't care about fp abi I was able to run some sdl hello world apps I had in Diablo. Aug 07 19:06:57 haha Aug 07 19:07:10 there's for example this trivial one I use to list the scancodes when keys are pressed, which is quite useful, and was surprised to see I will not need to create its "armhf" version :) Aug 07 19:07:35 :) Aug 07 19:31:14 ah Aug 07 19:31:21 got it working , great ! Aug 07 19:32:16 to autostart, make an bash script .sh , then create an .desktop entry , and add it to /etc/xdg/autostart Aug 07 19:32:43 dont forget to set permissions etc Aug 07 19:32:53 cool Aug 07 19:33:11 any way , have to get some sleep Aug 07 19:33:41 thanks for your time, keep up the good work, i know there is something good in it after all.. Aug 07 19:33:44 God Bless Aug 07 19:33:46 :) Aug 07 19:33:48 bye all Aug 07 19:33:54 np o/ Aug 07 20:04:20 timoph, did I just blink and miss someone find assistance they needed then thank the chan? Aug 07 20:04:30 * lcuk likes things like that Aug 07 20:05:49 yeah Aug 07 20:06:03 doesn't happen too often Aug 07 20:17:22 * dm8tbr marks this day in his calendar Aug 07 20:17:27 doesn't happen too often... Aug 07 20:19:23 dm8tbr, it does Aug 07 20:45:16 Hello MeeGo community. There is an offer, giving aavamobile.info domain for gratis,anyone interested? Company makes no interest in owning the domain (no email answers so far), so you can use it for whatever. Aug 07 20:47:03 * CosmoHill pokes lcuk Aug 07 20:47:39 kickme: I appreciate the non-commercial tone of your message, but if you haven't received any interest in it by now, you should probably give up on it before I ban you again. Aug 07 20:48:11 put up a picture of a puppy Aug 07 20:48:19 haha Aug 07 20:48:51 * CosmoHill ran a website that had a hand drawn dog saying "woof!" for several months Aug 07 20:49:50 CosmoHill, did it get many views? Aug 07 20:49:56 and is it mirrored anywhere? Aug 07 20:50:00 http://black-flag.co.uk/amiapoil/dogs/ Aug 07 20:50:09 not been updated in a while Aug 07 20:50:30 (do you like my dog?) Aug 07 20:51:08 CosmoHill, lol adorable Aug 07 20:51:17 but that webpage shows more than an animated dog :P Aug 07 20:51:28 err drawn Aug 07 20:51:31 well it only had the dog until the content was made Aug 07 20:52:12 reasonable Aug 07 20:52:23 * lcuk tinkers with qt stuffs Aug 07 20:58:29 * CosmoHill wonders what kinda questions he should ask in the interview Aug 07 20:59:39 ask them to show you the money :) Aug 07 21:14:56 "top" has crashed and is using 80% of my processor :/ Aug 07 21:36:31 anyone at the cccamp? Aug 07 21:41:04 javispedro, is SDL available on regular meego? Aug 07 21:41:41 lcuk: not part of the official API Aug 07 21:41:46 lcuk: but netbook images ship it for ex. Aug 07 21:42:58 cool, so perhaps if it is not there already the .spec file can be used to put it into n900-ce? Aug 07 21:43:42 I was planning to reuse that .spec file for my version :) Aug 07 21:43:58 but there's a bit more stuff I nead to learn first Aug 07 21:44:08 for example how to share patch files between a debian obs package and a rpm one Aug 07 21:45:11 yeah the patches alongside the .tar.gz are a bit unruly Aug 07 21:45:28 when I was looking last week at sgx omap thingie Aug 07 21:45:43 first thing I was going to try was building just the pristine version Aug 07 21:45:48 heh, I think I am looking at tha package in obs right now Aug 07 21:45:50 for an unrelated reason :) Aug 07 21:45:56 lol Aug 07 21:46:09 if you happen to spot a gateposting error in the yuv overlay, let me know Aug 07 21:46:14 bug 13084 Aug 07 21:46:17 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, liquid, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink Aug 07 21:46:42 that same bug effects harmattan too Aug 07 21:46:51 if you try opening a video overlay == screen resolution Aug 07 21:47:45 hum Aug 07 21:47:55 I am looking at an entirely separate area though (dri2) Aug 07 21:48:17 pint at conference if you do notice it though :) Aug 07 21:50:05 lcuk: do you Aug 07 21:50:08 er. Aug 07 21:50:13 do you know the xv port you are using? Aug 07 21:50:19 sgx or omapfb? Aug 07 21:50:39 hm, I think port is a number Aug 07 21:50:46 a mo, lemme grep Aug 07 21:50:53 ah, adaptor, or something Aug 07 21:51:59 ret = XvQueryAdaptors(self->dpy, DefaultRootWindow(self->dpy), &p_num_adaptors, &ai); Aug 07 21:52:22 xv_port = ai[0].base_id; Aug 07 21:52:32 so never known or set Aug 07 21:52:39 now I need to know which 0 is on Harmattan =) Aug 07 21:52:45 self->yuv_image = XvShmCreateImage(self->dpy, self->xv_port, GUID_YUV12_PLANAR, 0, self->yuv_width, self->yuv_height, &self->yuv_shminfo); Aug 07 21:53:03 is the image constructed afterwards Aug 07 21:54:23 the builtin player seems to work with 854x480 Aug 07 21:54:38 it might use a different adaptor? (guessing) Aug 07 21:54:41 possibly video dependent Aug 07 21:54:55 different decoder might give rgb data etc Aug 07 21:55:13 i noticed same effect on n950 with liqbase Aug 07 21:55:34 there are no default videos to test Aug 07 21:55:41 and n950 won#'t play the .ogv ;) Aug 08 02:06:46 morning Aug 08 02:58:17 morning **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 08 02:59:58 2011