**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 08 02:59:58 2011 Aug 08 03:02:14 morning iekku Aug 08 03:05:45 vacation over, back to work... Aug 08 03:14:33 ohhh boy Aug 08 03:15:14 well, got myself an exopc tablet. interesting possibilities Aug 08 03:16:19 oh Aug 08 03:16:52 flailingmonkey, where you at some intel's training or? Aug 08 03:17:05 appup event Aug 08 03:17:11 the nyc one Aug 08 03:17:57 would have been even more excited if I had the option of an N950 ;) but as I expected no Nokia presence at the event Aug 08 03:19:31 first step: download a newer image, one of the 1.2.0.90's Aug 08 03:20:07 flailingmonkey, get also usb-keyboard near you, you might need it Aug 08 03:20:58 yep, I was surprised that BIOS can be naviagated without keyboard, but found myself a keyboard when I realized the terminal didn't supprt virt-keyboard Aug 08 03:21:48 though I found ssh to be just as easy for terminal access Aug 08 03:26:16 :) Aug 08 03:30:14 has anyone installed the AppUp client in meego? wondering what kind of offerings it would have Aug 08 06:46:59 which package provides gconf-2.0? Aug 08 07:11:41 When i try to compile a Hello world Qt Quick app on my wetab it says "Failed to start program. Path or permissions wrong?" but everything about path and permission is right! i can compile another Qt applications! (non-QtQuick) . qmake -v is 4.7 . Aug 08 07:22:56 #yum install qt-qmlviewer solved the problem ! :) Aug 08 07:22:56 maour: Error: "yum" is not a valid command. Aug 08 09:16:28 is there any new images for 950? Aug 08 09:16:36 i mean complete firmware Aug 08 09:50:38 Tuju, not that we know of. Aug 08 09:50:50 Tuju, according to rumour, we'll get a new image once the N9 is released Aug 08 09:51:16 yup, i thought so too that they're now busy with the actual thing Aug 08 10:04:15 morning all \o Aug 08 10:05:10 are there any streams from the desktop summit worth watching? Aug 08 10:05:13 good morning lcuk :) Aug 08 10:06:50 morning Venemo Aug 08 10:06:57 I had a look at your irc client Aug 08 10:06:59 Oh crap.. I just got SMS from Nokia Care and they are replacing my n900 with E7 Aug 08 10:07:06 looking very pretty Aug 08 10:07:10 tkeisala_, lol Aug 08 10:07:26 yea Aug 08 10:07:46 tkeisala_: you should have say in what you get as replacement, you can probably argue with them Aug 08 10:08:15 I don't think new n900 is an option Aug 08 10:09:22 https://desktopsummit.org/program Aug 08 10:28:02 tkeisala_: i saw one for sale in estonian shop. that should a new one. :) Aug 08 10:28:47 i also noticed that unlike everything else in same stand, its standby and talk times were 'unspecified' :) Aug 08 10:29:17 is there any flashable image for the n900 Aug 08 10:29:30 with the closed components Aug 08 10:32:40 ok Aug 08 10:34:08 or any way to install meego to rootfs and manually stuffing in the bme and opengl drivers Aug 08 10:34:33 peterbjornx, http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.12.20110805.1.DE.2011-08-08.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-testing/ Aug 08 10:34:36 todays n900-ce with lots of shiny stuff inside Aug 08 10:34:38 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/CE_Factsheet Aug 08 10:35:31 ok, and how do i use those images Aug 08 10:36:16 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/GettingStarted Aug 08 10:36:32 peterbjornx, there are documents about the various methods of installation Aug 08 10:36:35 i've read that Aug 08 10:36:40 * lcuk2 personally just uses microsd Aug 08 10:36:46 but, shouldnt it be possible to use the rootfs? Aug 08 10:36:51 like maemo does Aug 08 10:36:53 peterbjornx, no Aug 08 10:36:57 rootfs is simply too small Aug 08 10:37:02 ok Aug 08 10:37:04 it is only a 256mb compressed fs Aug 08 10:37:12 then i should get a microSD Aug 08 10:37:20 yeah Aug 08 10:37:23 4gb Aug 08 10:39:14 * lcuk . o O ( i wonder whether a mini meego could be created which does fit in rootfs ) Aug 08 10:50:56 rm_you, what are you making for your n950? Aug 08 10:54:59 rm_you, abl on n9x0-ce? Aug 08 11:24:42 !seen slaine Aug 08 11:24:43 slaine was last seen 2 days, 18 hours, 37 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying 'defo' in #meego. Aug 08 11:24:51 I'm here Aug 08 11:25:09 slaine, could you pass me a link to that n270 atom box with the enclosure you use? Aug 08 11:25:31 sure Aug 08 11:26:05 that would be awesome :-) Aug 08 11:26:27 http://www.quanmax.com/product/product_detail.aspx?pd_root_type=6&pd_type=10&pd_id=99 Aug 08 11:26:46 they have many variations on that theme Aug 08 11:27:00 http://www.quanmax.com/product/product_subcata.aspx?pd_root_type=6&pd_type=10 Aug 08 11:27:06 cheers, and you know the rough cost? its just to show a colleague as competition to arm plugs Aug 08 11:33:58 arfoll: I think we pay about $190 Aug 08 11:34:32 slaine, cheers Aug 08 11:34:42 hence why I've not bothered pursuing ARM as a target too hard :) Aug 08 11:36:02 those look like viglen mpc's Aug 08 11:36:16 well some of them Aug 08 11:36:32 good afternoon Myrtti \o Aug 08 11:36:46 Moo, Myrtti Aug 08 11:36:53 moo Aug 08 12:23:56 monday morning Aug 08 12:35:15 berndhs, morning Aug 08 12:47:17 is there any way to re-install the tablet-QEMU image but not the entire MeeGoSDK1.2 Aug 08 12:49:56 bkalinga, ask in the #meego-sdk channel Aug 08 12:51:28 ok. very less activity there, let me ask there Aug 08 12:51:49 maybe less activity, but the question is specific Aug 08 13:12:47 * CosmoHill is back from his interview Aug 08 13:13:07 CosmoHill, how did you get on? Aug 08 13:13:26 no anxiety attacks and I was able to answer their questions Aug 08 13:13:38 they seemed quiet pleased Aug 08 13:13:43 oh! Aug 08 13:13:45 cool Aug 08 13:15:49 however ti's for testing, not programming Aug 08 13:16:15 when they asked where I'd like to be in X years I told them I'd like to find a feild I really like and stick with it Aug 08 13:17:07 that sounds sensible :) Aug 08 13:17:40 I saw my friend after and his family said I looked very smart Aug 08 13:18:02 and "I hope you didn't wear those trainers" Aug 08 13:18:26 looking smart is important :) Aug 08 13:27:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekPRAeHc-L4 Aug 08 13:27:57 err Aug 08 13:28:10 * lcuk pastes it in the right place Aug 08 13:30:18 * lcuk has been trying to make computers work together for a while :) Aug 08 13:31:03 * CosmoHill needs a new phone Aug 08 13:31:27 I got angry and threw it at the flood and damaged the casing Aug 08 13:32:34 I text people and get charged, they don't get the text and I feel bad Aug 08 13:33:11 CosmoHill: don't be so nervous ;) Aug 08 13:33:33 chouchoune: thanks :) Aug 08 13:33:51 have some hot chocolate Aug 08 13:34:01 or cold shower Aug 08 13:34:33 * gabrbedd hopes he never becomes a phone for CosmoHill Aug 08 13:34:41 :D Aug 08 13:34:58 there is a Sony K800i size dent in my door frame Aug 08 13:35:18 well, if it wasn't a MeeGo device, then its ok Aug 08 13:35:21 CosmoHill, hahaha Aug 08 13:35:24 berndhs, :DDDD Aug 08 13:36:15 the best app suite we can come up with is one which goes hand in hand with desktop Aug 08 13:36:33 so that mobile device is an extension of your home pc Aug 08 13:36:51 CosmoHill, even i haven't done that and i was ux tester for several years... Aug 08 13:37:13 i always just said that i will throw a "phone" to the wall Aug 08 13:37:17 lcuk: it should all be your personal cloud, with different interface devices Aug 08 13:37:36 * CosmoHill has throw it at floors, walls, people, dogs Aug 08 13:37:44 berndhs, well yeah, I have a cluster of devices running various operating systems Aug 08 13:37:45 Almost his my monitors / laptop too Aug 08 13:38:01 CosmoHill, just get a working phone Aug 08 13:38:06 a new nokia perhaps :) Aug 08 13:38:19 my last nokia died a horrible death Aug 08 13:38:39 water proof it is not Aug 08 13:39:14 berndhs, I am starting with: http://liqbase.net/20110610_002.jpg and want them all to have same data - in a nice simple manner that is usable and configurable by * Aug 08 13:39:27 there is a HTC Smart for £40 Aug 08 13:39:27 CosmoHill, you need a super ruggedised device Aug 08 13:39:41 the sony is fine apart from not sending texts Aug 08 13:40:28 I stepped over my SE k800i some time ago Aug 08 13:40:32 berndhs, but I am an expert in none of the required technologies and am scratching around trying to bring them together Aug 08 13:40:47 it otherwise still works fine, but the buttons are very hard to press, they are very stiff Aug 08 13:40:48 * lcuk gets frustrated Aug 08 13:40:54 lcuk: shared updates from multiple devices at the same time ? Aug 08 13:40:57 CosmoHill: Try 2 coffee cans and a taught rope. They are waterproof and have a long battery life. Aug 08 13:41:02 berndhs, yes Aug 08 13:41:26 lcuk: so it's like a family cloud Aug 08 13:41:28 gabrbedd: you can't strangle anyone with a K800i Aug 08 13:41:30 yes Aug 08 13:41:38 and it needs a central server Aug 08 13:41:51 well, at least a virtual central server Aug 08 13:42:02 berndhs, it would have to be proper Aug 08 13:42:09 lcuk: it's ad-hoc right? Aug 08 13:42:12 as in, when I am out of house it should update Aug 08 13:42:16 CosmoHill, those are not Aug 08 13:42:21 but I have ad-hoc test models Aug 08 13:42:32 I am trying to do it the "right" way using qt Aug 08 13:42:40 could the central server be the most powerful or the one with the most battery life? Aug 08 13:42:55 CosmoHill, it could but I think a www server will be required Aug 08 13:43:02 since meego does not support ad-hoc Aug 08 13:43:08 CosmoHill: yep. another knock against the K800i Aug 08 13:44:14 * lcuk should write down a complete todo list Aug 08 13:44:21 i have a central server that is 11cm x 9 cm x 2cm, runs on 8 Watts Aug 08 13:44:23 like w00t_ did for some of his things :) Aug 08 13:44:26 1. write todo list Aug 08 13:44:32 lol Aug 08 13:44:41 CosmoHill, I have all the notes already Aug 08 13:44:45 i wrote them years ago Aug 08 13:44:53 but they are my handwritten notes Aug 08 13:45:07 and without a central server I cannot show them to people :P Aug 08 13:45:09 2. Write OCR reader Aug 08 13:45:11 lcuk: the central server doesn't need a display, just keep the data Aug 08 13:45:17 berndhs, yes Aug 08 13:45:34 and I have investigated mechanisms for sharing the data Aug 08 13:46:01 I have done lots of research in IM stuff (speaking to colleagues from Collabora) Aug 08 13:46:05 and reading much Aug 08 13:46:20 i even have prototype examples Aug 08 13:46:58 http://liqbase.net/liqbase_net_preview.png Aug 08 13:47:02 i did that years ago Aug 08 13:47:19 but i cannot get the download part of sync process working Aug 08 13:47:25 * lcuk read all about COMET processes Aug 08 13:47:33 and long polling and databases and all sorts Aug 08 13:47:41 * lcuk goes and rants to the plants in the garden Aug 08 13:47:52 how is the problem different from the usual shared databases ? Aug 08 14:01:15 berndhs, yes Aug 08 14:01:26 but usually the people making them know that aspect of it Aug 08 14:01:37 but since everything I started from was small simple c code Aug 08 14:01:45 and made the usecases first Aug 08 14:01:51 then try to expand on them Aug 08 14:02:55 maybe version control systems could work for some of it Aug 08 14:03:38 berndhs, perhaps Aug 08 14:03:56 it just connects family with nice simple things :) Aug 08 14:04:03 the calendar sits on the kitchen table Aug 08 14:04:13 along with its other things Aug 08 14:05:01 in other stuff, I made a simple algorithm for clipping text strings inside boxes Aug 08 14:05:06 instead of ... elipsis Aug 08 14:05:12 at the end of a long string Aug 08 14:05:40 I made one which removes spaces and punctuation then vowels :) Aug 08 14:05:40 actually this is in the same direction as the outdoor UI - enhancing activities that people do already, as opposed to filling idle time Aug 08 14:05:42 http://liqbase.net/liq.20110807_233548.liqbook_select.scr.png Aug 08 14:05:49 berndhs, yeah Aug 08 14:06:04 i consider it computing in the corner of your eye Aug 08 14:06:17 not trying to be a desktop pc or a laptop pc (though usable) Aug 08 14:06:29 and just something you glance at Aug 08 14:06:52 http://eyetap.org/ Aug 08 14:07:07 lol Aug 08 14:07:10 borg Aug 08 14:07:17 Terminator Aug 08 14:07:31 lol Aug 08 14:08:36 I should try to get one of these eyetap things Aug 08 14:09:02 * lcuk happy with using devices not attached Aug 08 14:09:11 i dont walk around with wall calendar stuck to me Aug 08 14:09:19 i just walk past it when I am in the kitchen :P Aug 08 14:09:35 * lcuk should add a web browser and have what dawn eats on it Aug 08 14:10:00 sure, the wearable stuff is more for cases where your hands are busy Aug 08 14:10:42 meego rock climbing ux Aug 08 14:10:53 that's it Aug 08 14:25:12 what is scons? Aug 08 14:26:49 another build system Aug 08 14:28:01 ah Aug 08 14:45:41 hello there Aug 08 14:46:16 what would be the best program to use on meego to draw , and edit ( like gimp ) Aug 08 14:47:07 would pinta be an good idea ? Aug 08 14:48:36 In QML, is the ';' mandatory ? Aug 08 14:48:54 I'm looking at the Qt Quick tutorial and it's not on every line Aug 08 14:49:11 or pixel ? Aug 08 14:50:59 okey doing it an other way Aug 08 15:17:34 any one around today ? Aug 08 15:17:36 :) Aug 08 15:17:40 hello all Aug 08 15:19:42 yellabs-r2, yes Aug 08 15:19:52 i have been hacking into meego for a day or two .. everything goes well for what i had in mind Aug 08 15:19:53 you just asked a question not sure how to answer Aug 08 15:20:30 but there is one item left on my list, how can i hide the mouse cursor ? Aug 08 15:20:45 any tips asre welcome .. Aug 08 15:21:02 i looked at unclutter, but there is no such package in meego Aug 08 15:22:32 reading the meego developers archives, but no luck sofar Aug 08 15:23:45 andyross: ping Aug 08 15:25:43 yellabs-r2, ask smoku, he does that in Cordia Aug 08 15:26:13 smoku Aug 08 15:26:19 are you there today ? Aug 08 15:26:26 knock knock Aug 08 15:26:27 :) Aug 08 15:27:12 yellabs-r2:echo "xopts=-nocursor" >> /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch Aug 08 15:27:40 ah , great , thank you very much ! Aug 08 15:30:01 berndhs is there an list of more options and tweaks you can do with uxlaunch ? Aug 08 15:30:29 yellabs-r2: i don't know, I just found this one in the tablet kickstart file Aug 08 15:30:46 okey , well thanks any way Aug 08 15:32:08 yellabs-r2: but i am sure you can set cursor themes and things, so you can also make an invisible cursor Aug 08 15:32:57 i see Aug 08 15:34:33 meego could very well be used as an fastboot second operating system on any laptop Aug 08 15:35:08 the nocursor hack works perfectly , oh joy ! Aug 08 15:35:49 you have been really helpfull , great .. Aug 08 15:43:14 gandhijee_: here Aug 08 15:43:49 so i was using the asus_laptop driver, and i installed the sensorfw_pegatron stuff Aug 08 15:44:49 but it seems that the sensorfw_pegatron looks for an ls_value which is not present in the asus_laptop driver, but replaces with ls_level Aug 08 15:44:55 which never changes, and ideas? Aug 08 15:45:57 this might sound strange , but whats the normal way to shutdown meego ? Aug 08 15:46:16 dont see an shutdown command any where ,, lol Aug 08 15:46:46 at the moment i just press the power botton twice Aug 08 15:47:04 wich does the trick, but i dont know if thats the way to go... Aug 08 15:47:39 yellabs-r2: press the power button Aug 08 15:47:54 okey, so it is the right way to go... :P Aug 08 15:48:59 final thing, is the fullscreen flash play bug been fixed yet ? Aug 08 15:49:26 chromium browser play flash fullscreen ( hangs system ) Aug 08 15:49:31 that bug.. Aug 08 15:49:32 :) Aug 08 15:52:22 okey we will see later.. Aug 08 15:52:55 its been a pleasure working with you all, thanks for the help , good day and God Bless Aug 08 15:53:31 andyross: sorry i made a mistake Aug 08 15:54:45 yellabs-r2: pong Aug 08 15:55:07 ping Aug 08 16:55:15 bbl Aug 08 16:59:50 Morning all. I'm having zypper problems with my ExoPC. I can wget packages that I can't zypp update. Aug 08 17:02:13 morning Alison_Chaiken Aug 08 17:02:33 Alison_Chaiken: you're not the first, there was someone in over the weekend with that issue Aug 08 17:02:39 "zypper lr oss" shows http://download.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/stable/1.2.0.90/latest/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ " Aug 08 17:02:57 Should I use http://download.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/stable/1.2.0.90/latest/repos/oss/ia32/packages/i586 instead? Aug 08 17:03:04 http://download.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/stable/1.2.0.90/latest/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ used to work. Aug 08 17:03:27 Maybe repos got reorganized since I hit them last? Aug 08 17:03:52 Ah, thanks CosmoHill, I guess I should just be patient then! Aug 08 17:04:13 I can just use wget to pull the ones I really need. Aug 08 17:04:54 On a happier note, downloading lxc tarball from sourceforge requires only "./configure && make && make install" ! Aug 08 17:05:11 Man pages don't get put in right place, but that's not a hard problem to solve. Aug 08 17:16:45 * CosmoHill is doing CLFS and so far has made 6 changes and hasn't even got to the section where you type in command Aug 08 17:19:12 hi! someone who works on nexus s for meego here? Aug 08 17:19:53 I wanted to let the dev know about the color issue Aug 08 17:20:14 nexus s is BGRA, not RGBA Aug 08 17:34:12 paulk: add that info to the appropriate part of the wiki part about this device Aug 08 17:35:11 I don't have an account on this wiki Aug 08 17:35:30 and I don't like creating one only to put one info **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 08 18:30:38 2011 Aug 08 18:37:09 what is the best cross platform development language/framework? Aug 08 19:25:44 19:20:13<@foobot> 2011/08/08 19:19 CRIT api.meego.com HTTP CRITICAL - Socket timeout after 10 seconds Aug 08 19:25:47 19:22:13<@foobot> 2011/08/08 19:18 CRIT build.meego.com HTTP CRITICAL - Socket timeout after 10 seconds Aug 08 19:26:24 http://isobsdown.bfst.de/ reflects that, good good... Aug 08 19:34:56 o/ Aug 08 19:35:22 lbt_hel: 19:24:57< dm8tbr> http://isobsdown.bfst.de/ Aug 08 19:35:25 you've either been a very naughty boy or you're in Finland Aug 08 19:35:40 the one begets the other... Aug 08 19:36:02 dm8tbr: *sigh* Aug 08 19:36:45 Haven't thinks gotten quiet on the LF front Aug 08 19:37:17 I didn't even get around to implement your script yet, but as the httpd went titsup... Aug 08 19:41:13 lbt_hel: does it make sense to push OBS also on the CO agenda? Aug 08 19:42:02 I'm about to mail to ask why apps + LF isn't on there ... you would *think* .... Aug 08 19:43:58 lbt_hel: I think i saw apps and community up there Aug 08 19:44:09 something about an update from niels Aug 08 19:44:46 yeah.... not LF Aug 08 19:45:27 * dm8tbr comments bug 22134 Aug 08 19:45:30 Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22134 maj, Undecided, ---, anas.nashif, ASSI, Main meego obs down Aug 08 19:45:51 < forMeeGoBot> RECOVERY build.meego.com HTTP OK HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 9694 bytes in 0.565 second response time Mon Aug 8 19:36:52 UTC 2011 Aug 08 19:45:57 hrm Aug 08 19:49:02 Jaffa: you around tomorrow? Aug 08 19:49:07 for CO meeting Aug 08 19:51:00 dm8tbr: I don't know what to do about CO Aug 08 19:51:45 I probably miss the bigger picture, but isn't it so that we'd rather need a functional TSG? Aug 08 19:52:15 TSG is AWOL ... CO should step up Aug 08 19:52:50 maybe we should propose some community sourced members? Aug 08 19:55:08 Maybe we should propose a new MeeGo governance structure... things are working reasonably in the coding engine room but they suck in other areas Aug 08 19:58:09 That might cause someone to actually say something :) Aug 08 20:05:22 X-Fade: is there an apps meeting starting now? Aug 08 20:07:49 OK, I'll assume that's a no - I have other things I need to work on anyway :) Aug 08 20:16:10 so we have riots in london and the front page of the BBC has bit piece on the prime minister not tipping a waitress ... mmm Aug 08 20:16:45 lbt_hel: the order seems to not mention the war (quite literally) Aug 08 20:20:23 not tipping leads to riots ? have to be more generous next time i'm there Aug 08 20:24:28 lbt_hel, riots over what? Aug 08 20:25:34 Some kind of police armed response team shot someone who's mother claimed he was "a good boy". Aug 08 20:26:04 and the ppl on the street he was a known gangbanger or something like that ye? Aug 08 20:26:08 Although, as usual, it's more complex and the police hardly earned themselves any favours Aug 08 20:26:13 +said* Aug 08 20:26:45 yep ... armed response teams don't, AFAIK, usually target petty thieves Aug 08 20:27:03 so anyhow.... it's august, it's hot... they're bored.... Aug 08 20:27:46 they can use free TVs Aug 08 20:28:20 yeah ... hope they enjoy living in the society they're making Aug 08 20:28:53 in other news... what's with my-meego.com ? Aug 08 20:29:18 lbt_hel, yeah, it's always more complex. :/ Aug 08 20:29:39 lbt_hel, nothing new. Aug 08 20:29:45 Same as my-maemo.com Aug 08 20:30:04 non-authoritavie answer for my-meego.com is 89.161.250.164 Aug 08 20:30:12 just 'download random binaries here' ... OK Aug 08 20:30:41 kinda feel ambivalent telling the LF about that ... feels like sour grapes after apps.meego.com.... someone else can do it Aug 08 20:32:02 anyhow... late here... bed .... l8r Aug 08 20:32:07 night Aug 08 20:32:10 good night Aug 08 20:32:28 o/ hope tomorrow is more cheerful :D Aug 08 20:35:10 * CosmoHill watches BBC News 24 Aug 08 20:39:02 why would my meego netbook decide now that app icons should be shown? Aug 08 20:39:21 i have had the same apps loaded for literally months Aug 08 20:39:36 and they only just tonight decided to show icons Aug 08 20:39:44 * lcuk pleasantly surprised Aug 08 20:52:21 Good afternoon. Aug 08 20:52:54 .o/ Aug 08 20:53:06 Anyone know how be part of the 'Users' group in MeeGo wiki? Aug 08 20:53:30 When I click on it, I'm directed to this page: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_wiki:Users Aug 08 20:53:36 Not much helpful... :-D Aug 08 20:59:23 lbt_away: Yes. Aug 08 21:02:06 Savago: Are you regged on the Wiki? Aug 08 21:04:53 'regged'? Aug 08 21:06:13 i believe it is a hip term for registered ;) Aug 08 21:06:48 still noone at the cccamp or planning to go there? Aug 08 21:07:54 wht is cccamp? Aug 08 21:08:14 http://events.ccc.de/ Aug 08 21:09:32 pebcak, I thought most people were at the desktop summit, which is also happening in berlin now Aug 08 21:09:58 Umeaboy, well, I'm registered for about 50 weeks or something in meego.com. Aug 08 21:10:14 And tried to edit the wiki while logged in. Aug 08 21:10:24 lcuk only the lame ones... like lennart & co. :P Aug 08 21:10:45 pebcak, lol nope a lot of decent folks are there Aug 08 21:10:52 lcuk was joking Aug 08 21:10:57 hence the emoticon Aug 08 21:12:24 i still wonder which simple day to day apps will work best across the broad spectrum of devices Aug 08 21:13:03 lcuk: ssh, I use it every day Aug 08 21:13:35 ssh -X -Y Aug 08 21:13:36 Savago: Lookup your user-rights, Aug 08 21:13:36 :P Aug 08 21:14:09 Umeaboy, checking... Aug 08 21:14:14 berndhs, that is part of the problem with linux Aug 08 21:14:22 we spend time developing apps for us Aug 08 21:14:30 and geeks are a tiny part of whole ecosystem Aug 08 21:14:32 ssh is part of the solution Aug 08 21:14:37 * lcuk would rather write apps for real people Aug 08 21:14:51 i'm as real as the simple folk :) Aug 08 21:14:57 you know what I mean Aug 08 21:15:13 Umeaboy, the following tabs are available in My account: View, Edit, Notifications, OpenID, Track, File Browser, Mailing lists. Aug 08 21:15:20 in which can I check the user-rights? Aug 08 21:15:23 ok, make a direct chat program, point to point, no servers Aug 08 21:15:39 berndhs, that is called talking Aug 08 21:15:47 or put an xmpp (jabber) server on your home server machine Aug 08 21:15:49 * lcuk should do more of it Aug 08 21:16:11 and, more importantly, make your home server available outside your home Aug 08 21:16:44 so your family can chat, update the calendar, etc. etc. when away Aug 08 21:16:48 berndhs, my home server now has lamp stack and the beginnings of proper sync stuff for the handwritten stuff Aug 08 21:17:05 I am investigating how to do data sync properly Aug 08 21:17:07 right, a jabber server is straightforward to add Aug 08 21:17:32 but for joe bloggs Aug 08 21:17:39 this approach is not practical Aug 08 21:17:42 or you can run an IRC server Aug 08 21:18:15 pre-packaging jabber servers shouldn't be hard, but someone has to do it Aug 08 21:18:39 berndhs, technically I have this: http://liqbase.net/liqbase_net_preview.png Aug 08 21:19:00 but that is not quite what I need just yet, it does not have the downstream side Aug 08 21:19:06 Savago: Check #meego-devel & ask there. Aug 08 21:19:36 Umeaboy, thanks. :-) Aug 08 21:19:52 oggcamp on my birthday \o/ Aug 08 21:20:00 actually you can run a statusnet server at home too, and do private twitter-style messaging Aug 08 21:20:24 buddycloud! Aug 08 21:21:57 they are over at #statusnet Aug 08 21:24:00 i don't want to add new technology, I just want to somehow get what I have working nicely and packaged up so it can be useful Aug 08 21:25:12 so you need a shared update mechanism, and independet of that you need packaging Aug 08 21:26:59 berndhs, bit more than packaging, ovi and appup generally do not appreciate something != qt Aug 08 21:27:12 especially if I want client working on symbian too Aug 08 21:27:18 * lcuk is learning qt Aug 08 21:27:34 this juggling lark is crap Aug 08 21:27:44 well, you need to pack the whole thing into rpm/deb, and include a decent installation method and setupp Aug 08 21:27:45 I shall go offline and come back with a plan Aug 08 21:28:04 in deb form its there, I have it installed on all home machines nicely Aug 08 21:28:11 as I have had for years Aug 08 21:28:22 i'm guessint the simple-people setup isn't there yet Aug 08 21:28:36 the network aspect eludes me always Aug 08 21:28:49 what I can do here between my set of machines Aug 08 21:29:01 I know my mum couldnt do, for reasons of skill and compatability with devices Aug 08 21:29:29 in time gone by, I would assign tasks to other members of team Aug 08 21:29:43 in open source there is no real method to do such things Aug 08 21:33:29 bbl got some stuff to write Aug 08 22:29:22 SpeedEvil: http://bash.org/?701644 Aug 08 22:49:27 Old. Aug 08 22:49:33 I think that was ##linux Aug 08 23:17:03 I throw my k800i at the floor and the battery came out Aug 08 23:17:25 but it was still displaying the time for 30 seconds after until I put my battery back in and restarted it Aug 08 23:18:07 * MSM1 throws CosmoHill at the floor Aug 08 23:18:21 * CosmoHill 's battery falls out Aug 08 23:18:25 Tue Aug 9 00:16:57 BST 2011 Aug 08 23:18:48 Just as I thought Aug 08 23:18:56 An Andriod Aug 09 00:31:28