**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 11 02:59:56 2011 Aug 11 03:05:25 good night Aug 11 03:10:44 oh despite saying cancelling it carried on Aug 11 03:13:18 morning Aug 11 07:08:11 morning Aug 11 07:22:08 zypper update says error building cache Aug 11 09:01:09 . Aug 11 09:01:26 dot Aug 11 09:59:13 hey guys Aug 11 09:59:28 I'm looking for a btrfs guru Aug 11 10:03:11 ~seen lcuk Aug 11 10:03:19 lcuk was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 13h 20m 57s ago, saying: '\o/'. Aug 11 10:18:51 javispedro: thanks for the flavor hint :) Aug 11 10:19:12 the gtk-lenny build now goes past the rules stage Aug 11 10:19:46 it got stuck on something else later, but that might just have been some OBS outage, now rebuilding :) Aug 11 10:20:55 quite funny that I fixed the hardy package in the same way and it still fails in rules :) Aug 11 10:29:38 morning \o Aug 11 10:58:31 i hear a samsung netbook is coming soon? (was it samsung?) Aug 11 10:59:13 A look at the Samsung N100 – Meego http://mge.bz/j3 #Samsung #N100 #MeeGo #Netbook http://twitter.com/#!/MeeGoExperts/status/101335316383801344 Aug 11 11:04:37 lcuk: There's also ASUS' Eee X101 coming, running MeeGo Aug 11 11:05:21 juliank, is that a touchscreen device? Aug 11 11:05:51 lcuk: No, it's a standard netbook Aug 11 11:14:14 lcuk: Just in contrast to the N100 from Samsung, you can already pre-order it - at least in Germany, with delivery starting in 14 days Aug 11 11:14:27 juliank, that is not bad at a ll Aug 11 11:14:54 there are a number of bugs which need resolving still on the netbook edition Aug 11 11:15:05 it seemed to get put down for a while after the meego conf Aug 11 11:15:22 perhaps all those bugs and things should be reevaluated Aug 11 11:16:46 aaaand now for the uk to get the good news - http://moconews.net/article/419-confirmed-the-uk-wont-get-the-nokia-n9-either.-thats-two-down/ Aug 11 11:16:59 lcuk: And it's already the 24st best sold item in amazon.de's netbook list. Aug 11 11:17:07 sweet Aug 11 11:17:36 or more correctly, best-selling Aug 11 11:18:04 anyone still using the netbook edition? Aug 11 11:18:10 I do RST38h Aug 11 11:18:16 the one from meego conf Aug 11 11:18:20 Given that it only cost 169 euro, that's not totally unsurprising Aug 11 11:19:11 do we have any acer/samsung people around here? Aug 11 11:32:07 lcuk: Considered upgrading to Ubuntu or something? Aug 11 11:32:35 RST38h, I would consider it of course Aug 11 11:32:59 but the fact Intel got us those devices to work with MeeGo would not feel right Aug 11 11:40:01 * javispedro notes that the Intel AppDeveloper site stores plain text passwords Aug 11 11:40:33 stupidly they send you the plain text password if you click on the lost pw link Aug 11 11:40:52 * javispedro waits for the inevitable disaster to happen.. Aug 11 11:41:29 Maby a good idea to alert the webmaster? Aug 11 11:42:51 already done Aug 11 11:45:18 lcuk: afaik netbook edition no longer actively supported Aug 11 11:45:53 RST38h, well with devices being announced running it perhaps that will evolve Aug 11 11:45:57 ebb and flow Aug 11 11:46:13 nah Aug 11 14:23:17 any news? Aug 11 14:23:58 zinit, about what? Aug 11 14:24:22 zinit: http://www.reuters.com/ Aug 11 14:55:39 hello all Aug 11 14:56:35 what can i use to simulate mouse movement and mouse klicks on meego ( used to use xdotool on other systems ) Aug 11 14:57:39 what for? Aug 11 14:58:02 for mouse moving, i am setting it up for kiosk Aug 11 14:58:14 why does a kiosk need the mouse to move on its own? Aug 11 14:58:25 it needs to klick and accept the wireless Aug 11 14:58:32 so the user can use it,, Aug 11 14:58:45 why can't the user do that? Aug 11 14:59:01 hmm, i would have to go into all the detials Aug 11 14:59:27 let me put it this way, its an display of twitter tweets for an public library Aug 11 14:59:33 ok Aug 11 14:59:36 auto start, Aug 11 14:59:40 right Aug 11 14:59:41 yellabs-r2: Can't your app just post a form with the right values? Aug 11 15:00:06 yellabs-r2: You are trying to solve it the complicated way. Aug 11 15:00:16 * thiago agrees Aug 11 15:00:44 hmm, dont know , at the moment its a srcipt that boots into chrome browser F11 fullscreen and opens the home page, wich is an index.html page Aug 11 15:01:09 why don't you open a page that does what you need? Aug 11 15:01:12 on its own Aug 11 15:01:13 yellabs-r2: Yeah, so put a curl or wget before the browser starts which post the HTML form. Aug 11 15:02:01 ah, i see Aug 11 15:02:06 thats a good idea Aug 11 15:02:31 Or even better, get the IT department to flag that ip as OK :) Aug 11 15:02:58 or build a robot to move the mouse Aug 11 15:03:12 oh , i like that thought Aug 11 15:03:17 :) Aug 11 15:04:10 building robots is supposed to be cool, so I already see yellabs-r2 shop for the best components to build one Aug 11 15:05:03 "come to the library to experience the new move-the-mouse robot!" Aug 11 15:05:39 hmm , i thought about it a bit, i only need an robot arm... Aug 11 15:05:44 and hand Aug 11 15:06:18 but that doesn't attract as many people Aug 11 15:06:28 and is less cool Aug 11 15:06:29 true Aug 11 15:06:30 you don't need a whole hand, just 1 finger Aug 11 15:07:10 "view our new robot finger" is rather dull :P Aug 11 15:08:33 you could promise future extensions to 3 fingers, for windoze machines Aug 11 15:08:57 hehe Aug 11 15:11:18 any way Aug 11 15:11:43 thanks for the insights, really helpfull, i will go for the lazy option and let them flag it... :) Aug 11 15:12:30 are the any new splash pictures coming soon ? Aug 11 15:14:30 meego runs rock solid , thats for sure Aug 11 15:14:39 well bye, have a nice day ! Aug 11 16:22:32 hey all Aug 11 16:22:58 i just installed and updated the meego 1.1 to 1.9 Aug 11 16:23:29 i have a problem with connecting to WPA2 wifi network. Aug 11 16:23:36 what to do..? Aug 11 16:23:45 please help Aug 11 16:25:23 hey anybody there Aug 11 16:27:55 rossie, did you have it working previously? Aug 11 16:28:02 or is this first time installation Aug 11 16:28:45 first time Aug 11 16:29:38 i just installed and updated via wired n/w Aug 11 16:29:38 rossie, are you able to connect to other networks? Aug 11 16:30:01 and on which device is this on? Aug 11 16:30:10 * lcuk stops using ? in comments Aug 11 16:30:28 i dont know about other n/w..b'cause i have only wpa2 Aug 11 16:39:39 rossie, what is actually happening, for instance is there a connection started etc, and on which device Aug 11 16:40:17 the device is Acer Aspire Aug 11 16:40:21 notebook Aug 11 16:40:51 and the n/w is wpa2 tkip and peap2 enabled Aug 11 16:41:18 meego detects the n/w but not able to connect Aug 11 16:41:59 rossie, I just did a quick scan of the bugzilla but cannot find a specific item Aug 11 16:41:59 https://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=WPA2 Aug 11 16:42:03 perhaps you can Aug 11 17:55:33 i was just watching some fishing show on tv, using Furuno ultrasonic stuff Aug 11 17:58:07 * lcuk never been deep sea fishing Aug 11 18:54:43 since we have a whole range of ultrabooks on their way Aug 11 18:54:48 will they run on meego? Aug 11 18:55:01 and will it be netbook/tablet or other Aug 11 18:55:03 hi CosmoHill Aug 11 18:55:09 I think my phone is proper screwed now Aug 11 18:55:21 hi lcuk Aug 11 18:55:36 CosmoHill, you keep throwing it Aug 11 18:55:36 I text someone: I get charged and they don't get it Aug 11 18:55:37 no wonder Aug 11 18:55:55 someone phones me and it sounds like the speaker is going Aug 11 18:56:21 take out the speaker, it will stop those funny noises Aug 11 18:58:40 could do, it's not like I listen to anyone anyway Aug 11 19:03:14 lcuk: are there benefits from tablet ux being used on a non-touchscreen device? Aug 11 19:04:14 flailingmonkey, the tablet ux uses panning and gestures to navigate its panels Aug 11 19:04:25 have you ever used a touch optimised os with a mouse? Aug 11 19:04:29 * lcuk has Aug 11 19:04:45 first noticed bug for me was: mouse wheel scrolling did not work Aug 11 19:05:55 some gestures are nicer even with a mouse Aug 11 19:06:03 berndhs, like? Aug 11 19:06:03 lcuk: i haven't tried netbook ux at all, do you think its better or worse than tablet for ultrabook device? Aug 11 19:06:15 i like the netbook ux on the whole Aug 11 19:06:24 flicking stuff can work better than scrolling Aug 11 19:06:25 apart from its insane handling of alt-tab and the panels Aug 11 19:06:48 berndhs, energy to read a document with mouse wheel under your fingertips Aug 11 19:06:53 FITTS law etc Aug 11 19:06:59 if you have content that doesn't fit inside its container, you can drag it around Aug 11 19:07:30 lcuk: do you think it is better than, say, MeeGo Core + KDE? probably would require some adaptation for middleware layers Aug 11 19:08:05 flailingmonkey, I use ubuntu and windows xp on my desktop/laptops because they work Aug 11 19:08:06 lcuk: yeah I definitely think mouse wheel should always be properly supported if a mouse might be used Aug 11 19:09:43 flailingmonkey, let us take something simple like alt-tab Aug 11 19:09:49 when doing real work Aug 11 19:09:53 i task switch Aug 11 19:10:08 on the netbook, it is effort and concentration loss to change Aug 11 19:10:21 with just a smallish set of patches to the window manager Aug 11 19:10:38 do you think that it is mainly a lack of implemented keyboard shortcuts? Aug 11 19:10:43 a whole screen swipe gesture (ala n9 and n900 desktop panning) could do alt-tab intuitively Aug 11 19:10:47 and nicely on touchscreens Aug 11 19:11:12 it would make the netbook build "feel" much more touch friendly and universally simple to be productive in Aug 11 19:11:29 flailingmonkey, no, I am thinking of actually *using( the touchscreen Aug 11 19:11:38 but without rebuilding everything solid netbook ux had Aug 11 19:11:44 ahh, netbook w/ touchscreen. i didn't understand that part Aug 11 19:11:46 remember, the netbook ux started out as moblin Aug 11 19:13:32 if these ultrabooks retain touchscreen Aug 11 19:13:40 then having the os use it simply will be nice Aug 11 19:14:20 so has there been any look into the harmattan target on obs in terms of the MDeclarativeCache header from lbt or anyone? Aug 11 19:15:00 http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/api_refs/xml/daily-docs/applauncherd/mdeclarativecache_8h_source.html Aug 11 19:15:13 antman8969, what is up? Aug 11 19:15:15 I still can't "zypper update" from 1.2.0.90 stable/latest/ia32. Aug 11 19:15:34 I can wget packages from there. Does that repo work for anyone else? Aug 11 19:15:50 lcuk just wondering if anyone had fixed the harmattan target, currently you cannot compile using the declarative cache to launch boosted apps Aug 11 19:15:52 Alison_Chaiken: I did a fully successful zypper up, on a tablet ux Aug 11 19:15:56 Alison_Chaiken, how odd Aug 11 19:16:03 last night Aug 11 19:16:14 antman8969, is there a bug filed against this issue? Aug 11 19:16:15 flailingmonkey, could you put your "zypper lr" in a pastie? Aug 11 19:16:21 not sure where everyone is Aug 11 19:16:30 I'm running latest/stable on ExoPC. Aug 11 19:16:34 Alison_Chaiken: don't have my tablet on me at the moment, but i just used Aug 11 19:16:36 Alison_Chaiken, how are you keeping? Aug 11 19:16:53 lcuk lbt had just recommended I bring it up in the irc, but I will if thats the right thing to do. Where is the bug site? Aug 11 19:16:58 repo file: http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/oss/standard/MeeGo:1.2:oss.repo Aug 11 19:17:04 lcuk, I expect to receive a new job offer to work on MeeGo today. I'm practically holding my breath. Aug 11 19:17:07 antman8969, oh hum hmm Aug 11 19:17:12 and non-oss http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/non-oss/MeeGo_1.2/MeeGo:1.2:non-oss.repo Aug 11 19:17:19 Alison_Chaiken, good for you, fingers crossed Aug 11 19:17:56 * lcuk needs to orgnise one of those too Aug 11 19:18:29 Alison_Chaiken: sounds awesome :) I will soon be looking for work. I would love to be paid to work on MeeGo Aug 11 19:18:42 flailingmonkey, thanks, I'll try those out. I see your config has 1.2 rather than 1.2.0.90. Maybe that's the key. Aug 11 19:19:25 Alison_Chaiken: i actually think that what i did was only change the baseurl in the existing files in /etc/zypp/repos.d/ Aug 11 19:19:39 flailingmonkey (and everyone else!) Futurewei/Huawei posted an ad locally for "Android/MeeGo" developers in Santa Clara, CA. Ping me if you can't find the job on Huawei's website. Aug 11 19:19:47 Alison_Chaiken: then did `zypper clean --all; zypper refresh` Aug 11 19:20:02 Disclaimer: Huawei is not the company I'll be joining. I'm just trying to be helpful. Aug 11 19:20:12 Alison_Chaiken: thanks for the heads up :) Aug 11 19:20:51 flailingmonkey, I know about other MeeGo work I anticipate turning down. Send me an email if you're interested. Aug 11 19:21:19 yep the speaker has gone Aug 11 19:21:22 Disclaimer 2: No I'm not getting a headhunter fee. I want MeeGo lovers to get MeeGo jobs, not random people. Aug 11 19:22:45 By the way, has anyone gotten HDMI out to work on ExoPC? I can't even get it to work with Windows pre-install, which I retained. Aug 11 19:24:02 Alison_Chaiken: I was working on that yesterday. chromium os has code for managing the chip: http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromiumos/third_party/chrontel.git;a=summary Aug 11 19:24:55 and someone was working on bringing in the code WeTab used to support it: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=chrontel&project=home%3Aarfoll%3Autils Aug 11 19:26:19 the WeTab thing seems to take the chromium code, tweak it to make c++ code to use in qt app Aug 11 19:26:44 Arfoll strikes again. Thanks once more, flailingmonkey. Aug 11 19:28:34 Alison_Chaiken: no problem :) i do not have a mini-HDMI cable yet so I have not been able to test it Aug 11 19:29:41 for Arfoll's stuff, i'm pretty sure I could have added a repo to install it as a package. but that build site indicates it is failing Aug 11 19:30:24 but I was able to take the code from that link, go into source and run qmake, followed by make Aug 11 19:31:18 one problem in the script "tiitoo-hdmi.sh" for starting/stopping the daemon, is that it called a command named daemon which doesn't exist/installed. couldn't find it either Aug 11 19:33:37 flailingmonkey, chrontel build is failing? Aug 11 19:34:09 if i read the site correctly, it is failing on build.pub.meego.com Aug 11 19:34:28 https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?blocked=0&building=0&dispatching=0&finished=0&pkgname=chrontel&project=home%3Aarfoll%3Autils&scheduled=0&signing=0&succeeded=0 Aug 11 19:34:57 yeah for meego 1.0, why would anyone care ;-) Aug 11 19:35:29 the meego 1.0 target is really meant for wetab OS, and since they allready have chrontel i didn't bother to fix. feel free to submit a patch to the yaml/spec ;-) Aug 11 19:37:06 javispedro, X-Fade: any progress with the -j4 build issues ? Aug 11 19:37:56 I can confirm my builds still failing in the rules stage due to it Aug 11 19:40:51 arfoll: haha, you're right. i did not notice it was meego 1.0 Aug 11 19:41:25 arfoll: I was able to download the code from there, used qmake and make, and everything built Aug 11 19:42:06 arfoll: attempting to use it, I encountered two problems. first was just that the script calls command "daemon" which is not installed Aug 11 19:42:26 flailingmonkey_, to fix for meego 1.0 it's just a dependancy that changed names Aug 11 19:44:30 arfoll: second was when I manually ran tiitoo-hdmi-daemon it complained that "registration failed: registerService! Is another instance running?" Aug 11 19:45:30 arfoll: but no other instance in process list. perhaps dbus service was registered Aug 11 19:45:45 flailingmonkey_, well i never managed to make it work :-( Aug 11 19:46:00 arfoll: ahhh! okay, that is good to know =P Aug 11 19:46:11 but i realised it didn't work on a real wetab either so i figured it could have been the monitor Aug 11 19:46:41 arfoll: i don't actually have an mini-hdmi cable yet so I can't even test :p Aug 11 19:47:19 from what i've read though it'll only output 1152* or whatever the res of the wetab/exo is Aug 11 19:47:30 so i figured maybe the monitor didn't like getting that weird res Aug 11 19:48:16 arfoll: but I did get crystalhd compiled, and working. got flash to use it, but many crashes. Aug 11 19:48:34 did you use my package or an updated code? Aug 11 19:49:13 arfoll: for chrontel? i was just using your code, but I am also looking at the chromium os version. no idea how they use it though Aug 11 19:49:19 is there a channel for discussing n950 use? qt devel is one thing, but as I've switched this to my main phone I'd like to chat to people from a user perspective Aug 11 19:49:21 for crystalhd Aug 11 19:49:35 Damion3, #harmattan Aug 11 19:49:43 arfoll: for crystalhd, i used http://git.wilsonet.com/crystalhd.git/?a=tree;hb=HEAD Aug 11 19:50:06 flailingmonkey_, I have a pkg here : https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=libcrystalhd&project=home%3Aarfoll%3Axbmc-testing Aug 11 19:50:13 it could do with an update and a little love, it's been a while Aug 11 19:50:16 I've sat in both this and that channel, that was all about dev stuff and people would chat in here at random about querks on their phone Aug 11 19:50:22 arfoll: i'll go take a look :) Aug 11 19:50:38 i haven't tried with flash I only tried with XBMC and gstreamer Aug 11 19:51:11 Damion3, i suggest #meego-bar then Aug 11 19:51:19 arfoll: i realized that tablet ux images have very few of commonly used codecs Aug 11 19:51:53 flailingmonkey, do I want http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/oss/standard or http://download.meego.com/live/MeeGo:/1.2:/oss/standard/i586 for ExopC with tablet ux? Aug 11 19:52:23 Alison_Chaiken: you want the first one, because that directory has the necessary "repodata" subdirectory Aug 11 19:52:32 flailingmonkey_, yeah, but basically with xbmc-testing you have the codecs you need to rebuild a gst-plugins-bad with the good stuff ;-) just download the verbatim tarball replace -free with '' and you're gold! Aug 11 19:53:21 well and add a few pkgbr Aug 11 19:53:26 arfoll: nice :) Aug 11 19:53:39 flailingmonkey and arfoll, I have an ExoPC and a miniHDMI cable. Aug 11 19:53:56 Alison_Chaiken, but no HDMI monitor? ;-) Aug 11 19:54:13 I would like to use my ExoPC to give a presentation on a VGA projector, so a low-res HDMI out should work fine. Aug 11 19:54:22 Yep, I have HDMI monitor too. Aug 11 19:54:49 if you have success i'd love to hear it, on the wiki it seems people have got it to work Aug 11 19:55:17 flailingmonkey_, if you wait a few mins i can get the gst-plugins-bad with all the codecs on pub obs Aug 11 19:55:20 Showing demos running on ExoPC at least via projector is much better than having listeners stand around, especially if demos work. (Note to self: if not, set incompatible screen resolution quickly.) Aug 11 19:55:49 Thanks again for repo advice, flailingmonkey. I'm updating now. Aug 11 19:55:50 Alison_Chaiken, how do you plan to do HDMI->VGA? Aug 11 19:56:18 arfoll, a lot of projectors that display at VGA will take HDMI in. Aug 11 19:56:46 arfoll: I don't have my tablet on me, so I can wait more than a few minutes :) Aug 11 19:57:16 Alison_Chaiken: ah so you mean VGA resolution, not connector Aug 11 19:57:19 cool, then give me a ping tmrw and I should have a nice repo up ;-) Aug 11 19:57:31 what's VGA res? Aug 11 19:58:02 *shudders* 640x480 presentation Aug 11 19:58:42 arfoll, I'd love to see HDMI-resolution projectors, but they would be expensive for sure! Aug 11 19:59:56 arfoll, I have given presentations at 800*480 Aug 11 20:00:16 * arfoll will resist to make an age joke Aug 11 20:01:08 most presentations have information content that needs at least 12 x 9 pixels Aug 11 20:01:32 lolol Aug 11 20:01:34 http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=&jobId=1854130&trk=jobs_share_tw Aug 11 20:01:39 * lcuk ponders applying Aug 11 20:03:51 arfoll, last night I made a wrong turn driving. My 3G was poor, so I looked at a paper map, but could not read the street names! I am 49. I need a meego-ivi system soon! Aug 11 20:04:01 * CosmoHill needs a job Aug 11 20:04:15 I think I'm more interested in programming than testing Aug 11 20:04:42 Alison_Chaiken, i'm young but i'm useless at directions. even with 2 GPS running I managed to get lost on my way to stansted Aug 11 20:04:58 CosmoHill, in case you missed it, Huawei/Futurewei is hiring in Santa Clara, CA. Aug 11 20:05:11 arfoll: maybe cause you have two Aug 11 20:05:24 Alison_Chaiken: I don't want to leave my county let alone my country :p Aug 11 20:05:32 CosmoHill, well i was trying out the new google maps direction but I wasn't too confident so I took the tomtom as well Aug 11 20:05:51 which international airport did you end up at? Aug 11 20:06:16 Air France that crashed off Brazil had multiple gyros that couldn't agree on heading. It made a powered dive into the Atlantic. I will refrain from comparisons to management of certain Finnish company. Aug 11 20:06:18 gatwick, heathrow, munich? Aug 11 20:06:52 CosmoHill, nah i just ended up being 30 minutes late Aug 11 20:07:22 I have one route to stansted and another route back Aug 11 20:07:26 Air France crashing, gyros must have gone on strike... Aug 11 20:08:25 god my tv is nokia Aug 11 20:08:27 *shite Aug 11 20:09:49 I note that R.I.M. also has multiple CEOs, and QNX/BBOS, instead of MeeGo/Symbian. (Parallels are clear.) Aug 11 20:17:23 * CosmoHill offers hot chocolate and regular choclate Aug 11 20:20:14 * arfoll 'forget libass' is a great commit msg Aug 11 20:26:34 so ultrabooks Aug 11 20:27:08 are they essentially just next gen hardware waiting for a meaningful OS on them (ie meego) Aug 11 20:27:29 my understanding is they're trying to push other vendors to release MBA type systems Aug 11 20:27:48 and I don't know if I'd put MeeGo on a core i5 ;) Aug 11 20:27:52 which is a good thing Aug 11 20:28:00 except that core bit Aug 11 20:28:01 why not? Aug 11 20:28:14 is this another step backwards graphically? Aug 11 20:28:29 ie closer to low spec portable mobile stuff? Aug 11 20:28:43 ? it Aug 11 20:29:02 it's not like current platforms intel is putting meego on are graphic powerhouses Aug 11 20:29:26 though I hear the new sandy bridge platforms have a much better gpu than previously (relative to intel's past) Aug 11 20:30:57 wmarone_, powerhouse is relative Aug 11 20:31:15 i rarely run apps on my ideapad which overwhelm it graphically Aug 11 20:31:27 infact, sometimes I feel intel chips are too quick ;) Aug 11 20:32:30 wmarone_, it is just a case of finding what works well Aug 11 20:32:36 and building from it Aug 11 20:32:38 lcuk: weren't you asking about a way to slow them down yesterday? Aug 11 20:32:46 CosmoHill, yeah Aug 11 20:32:53 still makes me giggle Aug 11 20:33:18 i half ponder what qml + liqbase would run like Aug 11 20:33:23 I got some old games like SimFarm that will use 100% processor load because in 1994 it needed all of it Aug 11 20:33:31 ie best of qt Aug 11 20:33:40 too quick? Aug 11 20:33:49 CosmoHill, the thing with modern mobile hardware Aug 11 20:33:58 is it is ~10years ago desktop Aug 11 20:34:19 if apps are designed for multicore multi ghz processes and pile on the layers Aug 11 20:34:31 it is quite obvious where the issues comes from Aug 11 20:34:35 wmarone_, yes Aug 11 20:34:44 CosmoHill: some old software will use 100% of the cpu because it operates with an internal busy loop, sorta like Win3.1 in an emulator. Aug 11 20:34:47 lcuk, I assume you are joking and know all about powertop and cpu C and P states for Intel processors? Aug 11 20:35:00 lcuk: how could it be -too fast- though? Aug 11 20:35:07 BTW, SGX540 on OMAP4 is a pretty rocking GPU. Aug 11 20:35:19 TI repos are starting to show commits for OMAP5. Aug 11 20:35:56 wmarone_, remember old school computers had turbo buttons Aug 11 20:36:01 not so much to make computer faster Aug 11 20:36:09 but to allow them to run back at the original speed Aug 11 20:36:10 lcuk: sure, so you could drop it from 30MHz to 10 Aug 11 20:36:20 same effect :P Aug 11 20:36:23 mostly for games that assumed a processor speed Aug 11 20:37:29 wmarone_, my favourite recentish photogrpah Aug 11 20:37:32 photograph: Aug 11 20:37:52 http://liqbase.net/2011-05-24-231851.jpg Aug 11 20:38:06 the ideapad was running too fast to take a photograph Aug 11 20:38:30 i had to pull out my nokia n900 with high speed camera to get a better photo! :P Aug 11 20:39:10 (I was doing some video recording with webcam) Aug 11 20:40:42 this is a screenshot of what the photo was from http://liqbase.net/liq.20110525_162059.liqrecentsketches_classic.scr.png Aug 11 20:42:43 lcuk: that's a clocking issue though, right? like a 24fps video recording a screen refreshing at 60hz? Aug 11 20:43:06 wmarone_, still fun to be telling intel their chips are actually too quick for a change ;) Aug 11 20:43:19 instead of moaning and waiting for the next set Aug 11 20:43:30 surelly will make a change from people telling them gfx is too slow ;-) Aug 11 20:43:30 ;p Aug 11 20:43:36 heh Aug 11 20:44:59 wmarone_, and when graphics work well on yesterdays hardware surely it increases the long tail of sales Aug 11 20:48:53 wmarone_, I designed my apps to run on 400mhz of my n810 Aug 11 20:49:21 as new devices have come out, the headroom in enchancing the code is awesome Aug 11 21:12:53 Alison_Chaiken: how is the update going Aug 11 21:13:21 flailingmonkey, update was successful. On with the show. Aug 11 21:14:40 huzzah :) Aug 11 21:15:09 the tablet images should install adobe-release along with flash-plugin, because otherwise updates from the adobe repository fail with zypper Aug 11 21:15:49 Evening! I have a problem with my network connection. After connection cable in, connman sets up new dhcp connection, ping works fine, but when I try to access the internet (browser, zypper), suddenly it stops work... route -n are the same, resolv.conf is the same, but ping says: Destination host unreachable Aug 11 21:16:42 moreover, there are some "strange" established connections in netstat (surely not mine) Aug 11 21:16:53 Have anyone experienced this? Aug 11 21:17:57 flailingmonkey lost his tail Aug 11 21:18:24 zypper also does not respect the repo file setting or command line setting to not check gpg signatures Aug 11 21:19:52 flailingmonkey, career update just dropped too. A round of . . . asterisks for everyone. May this one last longer than my Nokia gig. Aug 11 21:21:54 Alison_Chaiken: yay job offers Aug 11 21:24:19 job offers are good Aug 11 21:25:00 Alison_Chaiken: leaving Nokia gig, or did the gig end Aug 11 21:25:23 Nokia continues to employ us MeeGons, but no one there is paying attention. Aug 11 21:26:06 Alison_Chaiken: as I would have suspected Aug 11 21:27:04 Good point about adobe repo. Maybe I need to update that repo URL as well. Aug 11 21:28:07 When I checked it, it wasn't tied to a snapshot/image, it is adobe's external repo Aug 11 22:26:33 wtf? "Motorola may start demanding patent royalties from other Android handset makers." http://lwn.net/Articles/454723/rss Aug 11 22:27:03 shows very well why we need an open alternative player in the mobile market Aug 11 22:34:57 pessimistic: being meego would not protect anyone Aug 11 22:34:58 KaIRC: without software patent reform, I would suspect that an open alternative player would be just another target Aug 11 22:35:08 google is just a convenient target Aug 11 22:36:58 they learned this tactic from diving futbol players Aug 11 22:38:27 flailingmonkey: first, anything that is not largely successful is not a target - second, a really open system is harder to target Aug 11 22:39:39 KaIRC: i suppose that first point explains why no one is suing anyone about WP7 =P Aug 11 22:42:19 flailingmonkey: yet, yes - once there will be successful Windows Phone handsets, there will be some suing (and M$ has repeatedly shown that their enourmous market power is enough to force success in any market that is near enough to a full computer) Aug 11 22:43:46 KaIRC: an open system isn't harder to target, you simply attack those who distribute it. you just do as microsoft does, and pick your targets carefully Aug 11 22:44:05 they could totally do an oracle and sue google, but google would fight. the oems just rolled over, which was the point Aug 11 22:44:55 oh nice, it looks like the bluetooth stuff on exopc will be sorted out with new kernel. Aug 11 22:47:34 hello world Aug 11 22:48:58 * Chat4723 is testing an irc client Aug 11 22:53:59 arfoll: over this weekend I am going to try to get the chromium guys' chrontel stuff working. and have to buy a minihdmi cable Aug 11 22:54:49 wmarone_: I said the _system_ is harder to target Aug 11 23:01:09 flailingmonkey, cool - btw check out home:arfoll:codecs Aug 11 23:01:29 it links to xbmc-testing so you need that repo as well Aug 11 23:01:44 arfoll: i just saw the gst-plugins-ugly package got built :) Aug 11 23:02:35 night! Aug 11 23:04:06 what is the difference between MeeGo Trunk standard and MeeGo current Core standard Aug 11 23:04:13 arfoll: night Aug 11 23:04:42 flailingmonkey, Trunk = 1.2, currently = latest (if you're confused so am I ;-)) Aug 11 23:05:22 arfoll: yeah, i really hope they work out all this terminology into something sane. thanks again :) Aug 11 23:05:54 it's a c.obs issue. even when taking the 1.2 target from their non adv. list you end up with it being called trunk Aug 11 23:06:09 i think it's because it's using 1.2 and not 1.2.0 (which is the release) Aug 11 23:06:23 anyawys 'nuf. cyao Aug 11 23:22:25 how do I discover the assigned ip address of my N950? ifconfig is not available... I need to connect with SSH to it... Aug 11 23:30:33 Andy80: nmap ? Aug 11 23:34:44 berndhs: is it included? Aug 11 23:34:48 ah.... Aug 11 23:34:59 nope... you mean scanning the net? Aug 11 23:35:03 no, run nmap on another machine, see who is new in your network Aug 11 23:35:16 is it possible that no other way available :\ ? Aug 11 23:36:01 don't know, but this way will work, take maybe 10 minutes including installing nmap/zenmap on another machine Aug 11 23:36:40 Andy80: "ip addr" works for me on the n9 at least Aug 11 23:36:42 unless you local network is really big and confusing Aug 11 23:38:13 ahf: thanks :) you saved me ^_^ Aug 11 23:38:33 np Aug 11 23:38:40 berndhs: just to try... what is the syntax to do it with nmap? Aug 11 23:38:59 don't remember, i use the gui Aug 11 23:39:02 depends on what you want to do. Aug 11 23:39:14 i "usually" use nmap -T4 -sS -O -P0 $IP Aug 11 23:39:24 nmap is fun :) Aug 11 23:41:09 Andy80: you can also enable the developer mode and get some icon in the app grid that gives you the info Aug 11 23:41:15 for using with the qt sdk Aug 11 23:41:24 it's awesomely easy to use Aug 11 23:42:17 ahf: the developer mode should be enabled I think... maybe I don't know these apps that give info Aug 11 23:43:10 Andy80: look for sdk connection or something like that Aug 11 23:44:27 ahf: yes, it's there. It was so easy, I'm n00b -.- Aug 11 23:45:00 Andy80: it works very nicely if you get the latest version of the qtsdk. it also contains some fairly basic documentation about how to use it Aug 11 23:45:29 just remember to pick the custom installation and enable the experimental harmattan components Aug 11 23:46:02 yeah I've it Aug 11 23:46:14 I've already deployed my application on it Aug 11 23:46:19 ah, nice Aug 11 23:46:26 looking forward to see it in the store ;-P Aug 11 23:47:03 I can give you the .deb if you want I tried to put it on OBS but it took me more time than coding it O_o Aug 11 23:47:26 at the moment I've to finish fiximg a couple of features, then I'll release an upgrade Aug 11 23:47:36 (p.s: it's CuteSoma, a Soma.fm client) Aug 11 23:47:59