**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 13 02:59:57 2011 Aug 13 03:57:29 arfoll: hi Aug 13 06:14:20 arfoll: looking into chromium's chrontel code Aug 13 06:14:37 arfoll: they used upstart to maintain a daemon, instead of writing either own daemon Aug 13 06:16:04 arfoll: but i'd bet its a cleaner solution :p Aug 13 06:18:22 arfoll: unfortunately meego doesn't use upstart. but the upstart service file has all the details for starting and stopping their implementation Aug 13 06:19:03 morning Aug 13 06:25:04 morning Aug 13 06:27:31 mornin Aug 13 06:49:53 anyone know how I might go about compiling/finding i2c-dev and i2c-i801 kernel modules? Aug 13 06:56:28 flailingmonkey, that was my problem, i had to recompile a kernel. although I deleted the project Aug 13 06:58:57 arfoll: right, the kernel-adaptation-pinetrail wasn't configured to have those modules Aug 13 07:01:09 i guess I can make a bug/request to change the kernel config for that adaptation. i believe that most pinetrail systems would have this chip in it Aug 13 07:03:01 sure, but better to actually check you can make chrontel work. start by just branching the kernel your using on OBS and changing the config Aug 13 07:03:51 arfoll: time for me to learn how to do that on OBS :p Aug 13 07:04:58 arfoll: btw, I installed codecs from your repo. even without using crystalhd, I haven't been able to play the files I copied over. perhaps i need different samples Aug 13 07:05:38 the audio usually plays, but no luck with video rendering (visibly anyway) using meego-apps-video video player Aug 13 07:05:47 flailingmonkey, weird what was the media? actually maybe divx won't work with the codecs Aug 13 07:06:43 use gst-discover-0.10 to find out media info Aug 13 07:07:25 lol well Aug 13 07:07:45 first one had a Sorenson Spark video stream, in an flv container Aug 13 07:08:07 second one was MPEG-4 video Aug 13 07:08:19 in mp4 container Aug 13 07:08:56 third, XVID MPEG-4 in avi Aug 13 07:09:03 (i have quite a stress test I suppose :p) Aug 13 07:09:27 well sorenson probably wont work, mpeg4 part 10 should though Aug 13 07:09:57 tbh i compiled those to get dts+ac3 working ;-) Aug 13 07:10:43 i'll try get the deps to get xvid and divx compiling tmrw Aug 13 07:10:44 for the one with MPEG-4 video, it was the simple profile Aug 13 07:11:08 yeah apparently i have a bunch in xvid. i'll copy over the divx one to double check that it doesn't work as well Aug 13 07:11:30 apparently a lot of youtube videos were done with spark Aug 13 07:11:54 although tbh since you have crystalhd, if you install that you get bcmdec which will provide h/w decoding of mpeg4/h264/divx/xvid Aug 13 07:11:58 + mpeg2 Aug 13 07:12:08 so you don't really need the software decoders Aug 13 07:13:07 hmm Aug 13 07:13:30 i took out the gst-filter to test whether it would work with the software decoders Aug 13 07:13:48 because i wasn't sure if it was just that the meego-apps-video is having a problem Aug 13 07:14:06 anyway, reinstalling bcmdec then Aug 13 07:14:18 well that's easy to test with a gst-launch pipeline and playbin2. Aug 13 07:16:20 this stuff is new to me, how would I go about using those to test Aug 13 07:17:33 gst-launch-0.10 playbin2 uri=file:///home/meego/video/yourvideo.mkv Aug 13 07:17:51 thanks Aug 13 07:18:52 np Aug 13 07:22:51 lbt or X-Fade: the instructions on build.pub.meego.com say I should ask you guys to get access to the community OBS. I'm looking to do some work supporting hardware and need to build to branch the kernel to enable i2c-dev and i2c-i801 modules Aug 13 07:25:16 lbt or X-Fade: my username on meego.com is same as my IRC nick Aug 13 08:17:39 AHA, i had to export DISPLAY=0.0 for gst-launch to work right Aug 13 08:17:55 DISPLAY=:0.0 Aug 13 08:21:57 however, i do have XVID MPEG-4 video decoded with crystalhd Aug 13 08:22:33 but only with gst-launch. looks like meego-apps-video does have a bug. plus the video-thumbnailer is choking all over the place Aug 13 08:44:27 flailingmonkey, i'm not too surprised, meego-apps-video last time i checked failed to play all video Aug 13 08:45:01 arfoll: the image comes with an ogv file, which does play Aug 13 08:45:22 flailingmonkey, yeah ok apart from ogv... Aug 13 08:45:25 :p Aug 13 08:45:33 tiniest minority of files Aug 13 08:45:45 unfortunately Aug 13 08:46:01 i havent looked at the code but maybe they dont use playbin2 and hardcode the pipeline Aug 13 08:47:21 the crystalhd filter, bcmdec seems to handle xvid and divx Aug 13 08:47:34 mpeg4 in mp4 did not work Aug 13 08:48:40 you can check with gst-inspect bcmdec what the plugin will accept Aug 13 08:49:03 good to know :) Aug 13 08:49:15 you may be missing a demuxer and not a decoder for those mpeg4/mp4 Aug 13 08:49:33 also mp4 is usally qtdemux which should be shipped in -good Aug 13 08:50:03 anyways i'm off to do some tourism, i'll be hacking tonight if you want to catch me then Aug 13 08:50:04 could be. it didn't complain, but no video appeared Aug 13 08:50:19 i'm on US east coast, so hopefully i'm around when you are :p Aug 13 08:50:44 ah ok, well gd luck Aug 13 08:51:41 btw i think bcmdec can have trouble with some interlaced content and also some weird resolutions Aug 13 08:52:02 for the meego-apps-video, i'm betting its a qml app, so it would use qt-gstreamer, or just qt's multimedia api stuff Aug 13 08:52:07 i bet it does Aug 13 08:52:44 anyway, i'm just glad to see proof that it will decode, and also that the video app has its own issues Aug 13 08:52:49 on to chrontel :p Aug 13 09:27:35 joppu, ping Aug 13 10:45:38 morning meegoers \o Aug 13 10:45:59 nice meego bug munching day Aug 13 10:46:27 sandst1 is having presentation about the tools for debugging Aug 13 10:47:39 iekku, good stuf Aug 13 10:47:44 where is the presentation occuring Aug 13 10:47:50 tampere Aug 13 10:48:06 iekku, yes, what event? Aug 13 10:48:14 wait a sec Aug 13 10:49:27 lcuk, http://meegonetwork.fi/events/bug-munching-day Aug 13 10:50:10 iekku, :D the meego-fi people are really trailblazing Aug 13 10:50:24 * lcuk strongly admires this team Aug 13 10:50:31 so do i Aug 13 10:50:49 iekku, are you there with them now? Aug 13 10:50:54 sure Aug 13 10:51:15 * Myrtti is at OggCamp Aug 13 10:51:15 intrested about the sandst1's presentation Aug 13 10:51:52 lcuk, had basicly the same presentation than in SF by myself, with the real examples Aug 13 10:52:17 that is a great idea and way to get together on a weekend Aug 13 10:52:36 lcuk, i think that too Aug 13 10:53:03 not so much people in here, but the ones are really interested Aug 13 10:53:28 iekku, each step we take Aug 13 10:54:02 hope that other networks could have similar days Aug 13 10:54:05 it is a shame andre__ isn't here Aug 13 10:54:18 since he is bugmaster this would give him ideas Aug 13 10:54:20 with a certain topic for each day Aug 13 10:54:29 yes Aug 13 10:54:58 lcuk, the presentation was same we had with andre, so he was as a ghost with me Aug 13 10:55:03 \o/ Aug 13 10:55:12 make sure you let him know how this goes Aug 13 10:55:22 it could be used for further conferences and get togethers Aug 13 10:55:27 need to do that Aug 13 10:55:36 though it relies on deep knowledge in some ways of the system Aug 13 10:55:45 true Aug 13 10:56:28 the principles are right and if selection of bugs are chosen which are sensible to approach whilst remote working it is better Aug 13 10:56:37 unless of course you have a set of kernel folks Aug 13 10:57:23 we have common material Aug 13 11:07:39 * lcuk goes smoking Aug 13 11:43:21 hello everyone Aug 13 11:43:51 is there some one around who is developer or has acces to and can file bugs and fixes ? Aug 13 11:44:01 and has some time.. Aug 13 11:44:03 :) Aug 13 11:44:29 or can i type it here ? Aug 13 11:44:40 you can file bugs in bugs.meego.com Aug 13 11:44:52 dont want to file a bug, but a fix Aug 13 11:45:11 maybe its already know , but it works any way Aug 13 11:45:42 thiago, you have acces ? Aug 13 11:46:01 yellabs-r2: you can file a bug and attach the fix with it Aug 13 11:46:09 okey ... Aug 13 11:46:19 but i am rather new at it.. Aug 13 11:47:51 hmm, i guess i will have to register Aug 13 11:47:54 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2715 Aug 13 11:47:59 found the bug Aug 13 11:48:06 have the fix.. Aug 13 11:50:45 any one interested in posting it for me? Aug 13 11:52:23 hmm, i will bookmark the page and do it later Aug 13 11:54:41 would 5 lines of text be considered flooding ? Aug 13 11:55:29 yes. Aug 13 11:55:35 okey Aug 13 11:55:44 and we will add these two lines on top. Aug 13 11:56:06 so after this i have one lnie left ? Aug 13 11:56:09 line Aug 13 11:57:34 to bad Aug 13 11:57:37 well bye all Aug 13 12:12:50 flailingmonkey done... have fun. Be aware that the main OBS is down which may reduce community OBS functionality Aug 13 12:13:07 again? Aug 13 12:13:20 yes Aug 13 12:13:50 is it really that fragile a setup, to fail when no-one's babysitting Aug 13 12:14:27 oh well Aug 13 12:14:36 see the meego-it list for more information about core OBS Aug 13 12:14:59 gives me whole weekend to polish my qt5 pkgconfig patches Aug 13 13:35:32 lbt how is your garden doing? Aug 13 14:13:58 lcuk: all the walls are in place now :) Aug 13 14:28:56 lbt good stuf Aug 13 14:28:57 f Aug 13 14:29:16 * lcuk writing some stuff up today Aug 13 14:29:29 * SpeedEvil args at banks and lack of APIs. Aug 13 14:29:33 well after getting back from playing footie i am Aug 13 14:29:55 Why can't they just have a nice https url I can call for my balance. Aug 13 14:31:18 SpeedEvil: they do, if you pay extra for it Aug 13 14:31:27 Probably, yes. Aug 13 14:31:43 at least mine does, they call it "Banking Plus" (unaccurate translation) Aug 13 14:32:14 its stupid because they clearly cripple their web interface for nonplus clients. Aug 13 14:32:27 Mine has been texting 'our SMS aleert services are currently unavailable - call 0.... ' at 10AM every day to me Aug 13 14:32:49 And that has a broken system on the other end that ends up dropping your call. Aug 13 14:42:46 hello again Aug 13 14:42:49 :) Aug 13 14:43:58 are there repositories for installing mplayer ? command line version.. ( meego 1.2 ) Aug 13 14:48:06 I wish there were more standardized systems available. Aug 13 14:48:39 The shit people put together for account handling on the web. Aug 13 14:49:25 Indeed. Aug 13 14:49:42 And random stuff like I want a nice API to call my ISP on to find out what they think my transfer is now. Aug 13 14:50:04 Query to support got the expected 'dur - there is a webpage'. Aug 13 14:52:11 are there any extra repositories i can add to install extra software ?< Aug 13 14:53:54 yellabs, not sure if anybody has built it yet Aug 13 14:54:16 is it a bit to early ? Aug 13 14:54:31 i did not know it was so young... meego Aug 13 14:55:00 lcuk on what device have you got meego running ?< Aug 13 14:55:17 yellabs, n900/lenovo ideapad Aug 13 14:55:23 look in the home: projects in build.pub.meego.com, see if someone has the package Aug 13 14:56:10 have you got an url ? Aug 13 14:56:27 i am running it on an lenovo thinkpad t 60 Aug 13 14:56:36 cool Aug 13 14:56:47 song123 anyway, I think I will just give up here. I have successfully installed mplayer from the repo: ftp://volkoff.ru/repo/meego/i386/ Aug 13 14:56:59 http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2010-10-22.log.html#t2010-10-22T21:28:17 Aug 13 14:57:11 i have *no* idea whether it works Aug 13 14:57:18 that was found in irc scan Aug 13 14:57:26 okey Aug 13 14:59:00 looking into it.. Aug 13 14:59:59 yellabs, link looks stale Aug 13 15:00:10 but it has been built once Aug 13 15:00:15 that makes it easier to build again Aug 13 15:00:22 yeah deadend there Aug 13 15:04:55 yellabs, have a go at building it Aug 13 15:05:06 i think so too Aug 13 15:05:10 :( Aug 13 15:05:17 someone mentioned that building stuff in linux is like making light sabres Aug 13 15:07:53 thats a lot of work Aug 13 15:09:20 cant i just use opensuse repositories ? Aug 13 15:09:25 yellabs, try just seeing if it iis built for fedora? Aug 13 15:09:30 or opensuse Aug 13 15:09:35 you may be able to Aug 13 15:15:24 hmm found one repository , but its close to empty Aug 13 15:15:26 http://repo.pub.meego.com/MeeGo%3a/1.2%3a/Apps%3a/Testing/MeeGo_1.2_standard/i586/ Aug 13 15:20:23 okey, will try to figure it out later, got to do some work Aug 13 15:20:29 thanks for the help Aug 13 15:20:49 i hope meego gets lots of more usefull software soon ! Aug 13 15:21:14 opensuse has plenty so i dont see whats holding meego back .. Aug 13 15:21:32 maybe its just an organising issue ... Aug 13 15:21:44 any way , thank you Aug 13 15:31:40 lcuk: found out that my Lima HSTs where made in 1982 and my uncle got them when he was in his teens Aug 13 15:34:12 ah, a family heirloom Aug 13 16:43:43 shagadelic baby Aug 13 17:13:57 I'm looking for the name of the tablet that is Meego compat Aug 13 17:17:42 there are a number of compatible devices Aug 13 17:17:58 http://wiki.meego.com/Devices Aug 13 17:25:05 There was a particular one I saw at OSCON, but I can't find it on the devices page Aug 13 17:25:25 mrgenixus, then which? Aug 13 17:25:40 I heard of some netbook devices Aug 13 17:25:47 mrgenixus: distiguishing features ? brand name, model name, eye color ? Aug 13 17:25:51 well,,, I saw those too Aug 13 17:26:10 It might have just been the Asus ExoPC, but I can't recall. It was definetly a tablet Aug 13 17:38:52 there are some nice new devices on their way out Aug 13 17:39:56 I am really hoping for ultrabooks with pen input :) Aug 13 17:40:05 fuel cells would be nice too Aug 13 17:40:12 as would holographic projection Aug 13 17:40:24 but I guess we would have to wait for a real 3d interface :P Aug 13 17:40:34 * SpeedEvil notes that holograms don't work the way star-trek says they do. Aug 13 17:40:53 projection onto a helmet visor would be a start Aug 13 17:40:57 http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/rcom-takes-price-war-to-3g-spacers-12999-tablet_574864.html Aug 13 17:41:07 the rcom is made by zte Aug 13 17:41:15 You can only view holographic displayed stuff as if through a window that is formed by the real display element Aug 13 17:41:21 (into air) Aug 13 17:41:36 SpeedEvil, for now Aug 13 17:41:53 (unless the light is intense enough to ionise the air, in which case, you run into problems with setting fire to stuff, and ozone, and blindness) Aug 13 17:42:02 No, as we understand physical optics. Aug 13 17:42:07 sure Aug 13 17:42:11 our understanding can change Aug 13 17:42:14 the world was flat once Aug 13 17:42:19 doesn't it work better in fog ? Aug 13 17:42:23 There is no breakthrough that is even at the theoretical stage that would allow it. Aug 13 17:42:25 yeah berndhs Aug 13 17:42:30 the fog screens are awesome Aug 13 17:42:31 Fog changes things utterly of course. Aug 13 17:42:55 oh look, sidestepping the issue Aug 13 17:43:06 with a system "good enough" for holograms Aug 13 17:43:33 * lcuk wants princess leia at home :D Aug 13 17:44:07 might only work in places like England though, due to fog shortages in drier climates Aug 13 17:44:29 i gather now we have the technology to make artificial fog :P Aug 13 17:44:56 If you want your house to be wet, and smell of mildew. Aug 13 17:45:08 Though england already has that technology for some time now. Aug 13 17:49:25 retina projection is less dependent on environmental factors Aug 13 17:51:13 Again. Aug 13 17:51:22 You can't project on the retina - unless you remove the lens Aug 13 17:52:14 The last optical element in the holographic projector has to be able to emit light into the eye at the same angle it would normally see it from the object. Aug 13 17:52:20 well, not with raster images we have in now Aug 13 17:52:41 you have to stimulate the receptors individually Aug 13 17:52:45 This is not quite the same thing as the above 'size of the window' but only due to the finite pupil diamter. Aug 13 17:53:04 berndhs: Which you cannot do unless you are _really_ close to the eye. Aug 13 17:53:15 (assuming a tiny projector) Aug 13 17:53:23 right Aug 13 17:53:41 The retina has a lens in front of it - you can't simply project onto random bits of it. Aug 13 17:53:53 sure Aug 13 17:54:16 you can take photographs of what's behind the lense though, so you can get light to individual receptors Aug 13 17:54:41 now you have to figure out how to stimulate each receptor individually Aug 13 17:54:49 That's easy though. Aug 13 17:55:10 so your resolution has nothing to do with your generated images, its how many receptors are in the eye Aug 13 17:55:11 To take photos of the receptor, you require a lens that is in front of the retina. Aug 13 17:55:44 And then you're hit with the divergance of light - 1.22*wavelength/diameter (in radians) Aug 13 17:55:58 Where diameter is the diameter of the smallest optic in th echain. Aug 13 17:56:22 receptors are big relative to teh wavelength, aren't they ? Aug 13 17:57:08 Moderately, but the other issue is that the divergance happens at your projector too. Aug 13 17:57:43 Optics is fundamentally rather complex. And there are a lot of 'designs' of displays which are made by designers, and can't actually physically ever work. Aug 13 17:58:13 no this has to do bio-engineering, leave the artistes out of it Aug 13 17:59:16 If you want to do full field of view 'holograms' - you basically need something covering the pupil. (though it may have holes) Aug 13 17:59:35 Or glasses, or something that cover the eye. Aug 13 17:59:49 all of these things are made harder if you want to see the real world too Aug 13 18:01:21 Yep. Aug 13 18:04:23 i just want head-up displays that aren't too heavy, for augmented reality Aug 13 18:05:26 and it is quite acceptable that the augments can be clearly distinguished from the reality :) Aug 13 19:22:34 hey, i have an exoPC, and i installed the chrontel firmware, anytime i try to start the hdmi-daemon, i get an error message about another instance of the hdmi-daemon running... Aug 13 19:22:36 what gives? Aug 13 19:23:38 you probably already have the hdmi-daemon running? Aug 13 19:27:55 no Aug 13 19:28:13 its not in the ps list, and when i connect the tv it doesn't work Aug 13 19:28:48 then hdmi-daemon thinks that it's already running for another reason Aug 13 19:29:00 strace the application to see if it opens any file that would be used to lock Aug 13 19:30:02 yeah i just thought about that, and did it. gonna look at the dumps now Aug 13 19:38:26 thiago: that didn't help much either, it just opens my machine-id, then throws the com.tiitoo.hdmi already running error Aug 13 19:39:34 this is on meego 1.2.0.90 too, so i duon Aug 13 19:39:48 don't know if that has its own hdmi daemon or anything Aug 13 19:42:02 run qdbus. Do you see com.tiitoo.hdmi listed? Aug 13 19:44:03 thiago: no Aug 13 19:45:59 is checked with ps to see if the daemon ever started Aug 13 19:46:03 as well Aug 13 19:49:00 oh well Aug 13 19:49:07 .o/ Aug 13 19:49:27 this is not a meego tool, I don't know what exactly it does Aug 13 19:49:35 anything else i can try, short of re-writting it Aug 13 19:49:59 it enables the hdmi output on the weTab/exoPC Aug 13 19:52:16 gandhijee_, have you recompiled the kernel to enable the i2c module needed? Aug 13 19:52:39 arfoll: yes, i have i2c-i801 and i2c-smbus Aug 13 19:52:50 already compiled, and installed as mobiles Aug 13 19:52:53 *modules Aug 13 19:55:00 gandhijee_, have you got a link to that kernel on obs? Aug 13 19:55:30 arfoll: its a custom kernel - the thing is it was working before, and then it just stopped and started throwing this message Aug 13 19:56:06 was working on what meego version? Aug 13 19:56:14 1.1.90 Aug 13 19:56:38 and i have a 1.2.0.90 on which it just throws the messasge straight away Aug 13 19:56:40 probably a systemd change messed up its startup Aug 13 19:56:47 using the same kerenl Aug 13 19:57:12 but if you get the registration fail from dbus its because you've failed to register the service Aug 13 19:57:19 check permissions Aug 13 19:57:29 what should the perms be on i? Aug 13 19:57:40 on the 1.2.0.90 machine, i installed it via RPM Aug 13 19:57:50 which rpm? Aug 13 19:59:28 but basically your user needs to be able to register a service on com.tiitoo.HDMI Aug 13 19:59:34 chrontel-1.0-11212.1.i586.rpm Aug 13 19:59:43 i got it from the repos Aug 13 19:59:48 gandhijee_, which repos? Aug 13 19:59:56 ok, how do i go about doing that, i have 0 clue about dbus Aug 13 20:00:31 somewhere around /etc/dbus-1/system.d/ Aug 13 20:01:30 shouldn Aug 13 20:01:35 use something like this (obv. change the bus name) http://pastebin.com/j9HC1n4S Aug 13 20:01:38 t this daemon come iwth that file? Aug 13 20:01:59 well i dont know in the rpm you have, but in the one I build on c.obs i dont provide it Aug 13 20:08:21 actually it is from you Aug 13 20:10:58 http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/arfoll:/utils/meego_1.1_core/i586/ - i grabbed the debug on too, but when i try to run it i get bad elf interperater Aug 13 20:13:38 arfoll: still getting the error about the services with the new .service file Aug 13 20:15:20 gandhijee_, i've never managed to make my own pkg work ;-) Aug 13 20:15:33 lol Aug 13 20:15:34 ok Aug 13 20:15:41 i was actually going to try fix it sun/mon Aug 13 20:16:38 so one of the things i notice is that it always trys to open i2c-2 Aug 13 20:17:16 and that tiitoo-daemon script doesn't seem to work on meego - when i had it working i had to hex edit what device it was opening Aug 13 20:17:21 because i can Aug 13 20:17:24 t ge the code to compile Aug 13 20:17:51 well the script doesnt work because it requires daemon Aug 13 20:18:28 which is why i think the rpm has no service file Aug 13 20:19:20 do you get the "registration failed" error? or the "another instance running"? Aug 13 20:19:33 from what i understood, the script was used to launch the daemon Aug 13 20:20:09 i was able to take the one from the weTab and run the daemon direct, then it just stopped working Aug 13 20:22:15 gandhijee_, well gd luck. i'm too tired to think about this tonight. i'm off to sleep on my hammock Aug 13 20:22:32 i get the com.tiitoo.HDMI dbus service reg failed: registerSErvice! is anotehr instance running Aug 13 20:22:40 fair enough. thanks for the help Aug 13 20:23:28 well that means the dbus registration failed so you still got a pb there Aug 13 20:23:37 cyao Aug 13 20:24:43 later Aug 13 20:30:26 is there an modules.autoload file for meego Aug 13 21:06:36 arfoll: i got it working with your stuff =) Aug 13 21:19:14 \ Aug 13 21:54:23 morning Aug 13 21:56:32 hi Aug 13 21:57:46 lbt: thanks Aug 13 21:57:55 almost 10am in Fiji Aug 13 22:00:09 they should be in church soon Aug 13 22:01:37 we should go check Aug 13 22:07:48 is vgrade still the person with most running meego instances at same time? Aug 13 22:08:04 I have 4 :$ Aug 13 22:08:29 or 5 if Harmattan is a pure instance :D Aug 13 22:11:49 i have 3, but only 2 can run at the same time, and 0 are running now Aug 13 22:13:36 am I able to branch off of packages in build.meego.com to a package at build.pub.meego.com ? Aug 13 22:14:34 doesn't seem possible... I want to make a custom kernel build on OBS, and look at possibly fixing bugs in some packages there... Aug 13 22:15:39 yes Aug 13 22:16:02 specifically, i want to brank devel:kernel:kernel-adaptation-pinetrail Aug 13 22:16:04 flailingmonkey, hold on I have used command line Aug 13 22:16:04 *branch Aug 13 22:16:10 lcuk: thanks Aug 13 22:16:14 which was in the core afaik Aug 13 22:16:31 osc branch MeeGo.com:MeeGo:1.2.0:non-oss xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx home:lcuk Aug 13 22:16:31 osc branch MeeGo.com:MeeGo:1.2.0:non-oss ti-omap3-sgx home:lcuk Aug 13 22:16:36 i have used those command lines Aug 13 22:16:47 to make branches of projects Aug 13 22:16:48 thanks Aug 13 22:16:54 you should be able to do similar Aug 13 22:17:00 berndhs, which 2 Aug 13 22:17:40 I was looking at using the build.pub.meego.com web interface, but I will not be surprised if that won't support such :p Aug 13 22:18:29 flailingmonkey, you mean you were flailing around! Aug 13 22:18:36 yupp! Aug 13 22:19:44 i have netbook and tablet on a laptop, and tablet build host in a vm Aug 13 22:21:06 berndhs, do you own any large format tablet devices? Aug 13 22:21:11 not necessarily meego Aug 13 22:21:27 no, i don't any large, small, or medium tablets :) Aug 13 22:21:49 s/any/own any/ Aug 13 22:21:49 berndhs meant: no, i don't own any large, small, or medium tablets :) Aug 13 22:22:22 berndhs, and why not? Aug 13 22:22:23 10" is considered large or medium? Aug 13 22:22:26 for tablet Aug 13 22:22:29 in this modern age you should have one Aug 13 22:22:36 flailingmonkey, average size :P Aug 13 22:22:42 i am poor, financially speaking Aug 13 22:22:44 ahahaaa Aug 13 22:22:46 i have a 20" multitouch allinone device Aug 13 22:22:53 berndhs, as many are Aug 13 22:23:07 indeed, billions and billions Aug 13 22:23:11 it took e many years before i obtained first handheld device Aug 13 22:24:47 berndhs, where are you from? Aug 13 22:25:23 berndhs: I was loaned an exopc tablet when I went to a free Intel AppUp Meego event Aug 13 22:25:32 https://profiles.google.com/113338680925263376814/about?hl=en Aug 13 22:26:16 i applied for an exoPC with the developer device program, I'm sure they will send be a bunch of them :) Aug 13 22:27:14 yea, i would have been really happy if i had the option of N950. but Nokia can't support MeeGo in US, it might crush WP7 :p Aug 13 22:28:18 could be that the service providers don't want to sell (subsidize) a device that has no upgrade path planned Aug 13 22:29:41 that's quite possible, but that is a different consideration than trying to build up developer interest in their N9 phone. doesn't much matter where you develop, you'd be contributing to a product's success Aug 13 22:33:32 flailingmonkey, what would you develop? Aug 13 22:33:40 and are you enjoying your exopc? Aug 13 22:34:30 lcuk: i had never considered a tablet before, but I think it has many possibilities :) i can definitely see the exopc as being the device I pick up on my way into my home, and then transfer what i'm doing to a compute device perhaps Aug 13 22:34:43 flailingmonkey, :) Aug 13 22:34:51 I already see tablets as big devices! Aug 13 22:34:54 i would like a really big tablet, like the one in "Hunt for Red October", to plan my strategic moves :) Aug 13 22:35:06 I only wish manufacturers added wall mounting chargers too Aug 13 22:35:14 lcuk: watching media on it is definitely its strength. reading documents is definitely a major missing app for meego tablet Aug 13 22:35:19 berndhs, just hold a smaller one close to your face Aug 13 22:35:34 flailingmonkey, so you see tablets for media consumpution? Aug 13 22:35:39 what about content creation? Aug 13 22:35:41 lcuk: yes tablets are definitely meant to stand, not lay flat Aug 13 22:35:48 what can you *do* or *make* with them Aug 13 22:35:50 well, I do have a magnigying glass about the sice of a phone :) Aug 13 22:36:24