**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 14 02:59:57 2011 Aug 14 10:51:26 iekku, how was the bug munching? Aug 14 10:57:20 Is there an official twitter channel for meego? Aug 14 10:59:01 http://twitter.com/#!/meegocom Aug 14 10:59:14 Thanks Aug 14 11:02:19 Following meego on twitter now :) Aug 14 11:17:48 When will new software be added to meego 1.2? Netbook version , it does not have much beside chrome browser .. ;) Aug 14 11:21:49 yellabs what do you mean? Aug 14 11:22:17 community repo? Aug 14 11:22:59 Apps programs software , i looked in comm repo but it does not have much Aug 14 11:24:33 don't know what you're looking for.... Aug 14 11:24:35 Tried using opensuse rpms but that did not work Aug 14 11:24:42 fedora Aug 14 11:24:45 fc14 Aug 14 11:24:53 have a look at meegolem Aug 14 11:25:11 Oh , okey Aug 14 11:26:16 I ca Aug 14 11:27:03 I can add fedora repositories to meego? Aug 14 11:32:54 Is meego 1.2 not build on opensuse? Newbee question Aug 14 11:37:53 I guess i have some reading to do ;) Aug 14 11:38:13 Have a nice day! Aug 14 12:08:11 yellabs, ping Aug 14 12:08:18 damn Aug 14 12:45:32 morning Aug 14 12:48:23 morning berndhs Aug 14 13:10:43 Venemo, how is irc coming on? Aug 14 13:10:55 lcuk, well enough, but I encountered a barrier Aug 14 13:11:01 I'd need a Qt guru Aug 14 13:11:05 alterego, ping Aug 14 13:37:34 Venemo, what do you mean? Aug 14 13:37:46 and what prevents its utilisation directly on meego Aug 14 13:37:54 * lcuk has a netbook that could be tested Aug 14 13:38:25 directly on MeeGo, I'm not sure whether harmattan's components are compatible with MeeGo's or not Aug 14 13:38:51 unfortunately I do not have either a netbook or a tablet with MeeGo Aug 14 13:39:30 I may install MeeGo onto my N900 when I have the time... now that I'm using N950 as primary device :) Aug 14 13:40:50 Venemo, good, it is easy to do Aug 14 13:40:58 but it will be ready for harmattan today. Aug 14 13:41:01 as v0.1 :) Aug 14 13:41:21 as for the N900, I plan an eMMC install (I don't have a suitable MicroSD card) Aug 14 13:44:38 lcuk, do you know how many differences are there between qt-components on Harmattan and plain MeeGo? Aug 14 13:46:22 as soon as I finished working around the current problem and finished adding channel notifications, I'll make a .deb for Harmattan users so they can begin battle-testing Aug 14 14:00:34 Venemo: pong Aug 14 14:21:57 alterego, I have a ServerSettings class which is a QObject subclass and has Q_PROPERTY properties (becasue I want to bind to them from QML). I want to store a QList of these in QSettings. but unfortunately it seems not possible... because it complains that the copy constructor of QObject is private Aug 14 14:22:11 alterego, I think I already found a workaround for this Aug 14 14:25:25 Venemo: QList if non-QObjects Aug 14 14:26:27 thiago, but they ARE QObjects Aug 14 14:26:53 you can't have a QList of QObjects Aug 14 14:27:02 you can have QList of non-QObjects or a QList of pointers to QObjects Aug 14 14:28:16 yeah Aug 14 14:28:21 the latter was my workaround Aug 14 14:28:38 they need to be QObjects because I'm binding their properties to QML Aug 14 14:29:54 Hi, is hfdialer being replaced with something? I don't see the package listed under Trunk. Aug 14 14:32:07 brb Aug 14 14:53:56 good afternoon Aug 14 14:56:49 is anyone using on meego 1.2 an alternative to bashee? bashee is a big of a resource hog.... Aug 14 14:58:40 banshee Aug 14 15:00:30 lcuk, we did only the presentations, need to have other day for group works Aug 14 16:19:39 I need to build i2c-i810.ko and hid_egalax.ko for Pinetrail processor. Aug 14 16:21:38 Should I use kernel-adaptation-pinetrail MeeGo 1.2 branch, or maybe testing? They are both 2.6.39. I had been using 2.6.37 from Tablet UX. Or maybe I should stick with Tablet UX kernel for ExoPC? Aug 14 16:27:07 Alison_Chaiken, congrats on new posting btw Aug 14 16:27:16 I replied in #meego-ivi too Aug 14 16:28:15 Thanks, lcuk. Aug 14 16:28:42 Alison_Chaiken, what are you to be doing? is it related to the new ultrabooks? Aug 14 16:56:21 X-Fade: any news about the forced -j4 make parameter in OBS ? :) Aug 14 16:59:38 just triggered a rebuild of my GTK packages to see if something changed :) Aug 14 17:01:37 M4rtinK: you mean like MAKEFLAGS="-j4" ? Aug 14 17:08:53 CosmoHill: yep, it looks like OBS just forces Aug 14 17:08:58 it Aug 14 17:09:21 the weird thing is that according to that OBS discussion they remove it Aug 14 17:09:25 *removed Aug 14 17:09:25 I can see this being a problem for packages that expect a single job at a time like libee Aug 14 17:09:29 causing packages with more elaborate rules files to fail Aug 14 17:09:39 yep, thats exactly the problem Aug 14 17:09:45 so no idea if we are using an older OBS version, or what Aug 14 17:10:12 -j4 should be enabled by default Aug 14 17:10:20 disabled on blacklisted packages that can't be parallel-built Aug 14 17:10:24 and a bug reported upstream Aug 14 17:10:36 violates debian spec Aug 14 17:11:08 * thiago looks at the channel name Aug 14 17:11:14 this isn't #debian Aug 14 17:11:34 building with -j$PROCESSOR_COUNT is a good thing Aug 14 17:11:39 it is not Aug 14 17:11:43 of course it is Aug 14 17:11:48 if I have 4 cores, I want to use all of them Aug 14 17:11:56 even on the template debian/rules file, this means ./configure runs on one core and make runs on the other Aug 14 17:11:56 when I'm in a compile farm, I want to use it Aug 14 17:12:06 huh? Aug 14 17:12:12 why would you run configure and make in parallel? Aug 14 17:12:17 run configure first, then make -j4 Aug 14 17:12:28 javispedro, considered that debian/rules should be fixed? Aug 14 17:12:31 I used to build Qt with -j60 on the office compile farm... Aug 14 17:12:32 because that's what happens when you run debian/rules with -j4, you debian spec violators Aug 14 17:12:43 javispedro: we're not debian, we don't use .deb Aug 14 17:12:51 rpm spec files aren't Makefiles Aug 14 17:12:55 we are talking about the OBS debian/harmattan target Aug 14 17:12:57 the commands are run in sequence Aug 14 17:12:58 ooh Aug 14 17:13:00 oh Aug 14 17:13:07 :) Aug 14 17:13:13 ok, then I stop caring Aug 14 17:13:23 RT @pasinomo organizing now meego conference in Beijing for November, updates soon. Make your prebooking for good talks with meego people and great xmas� http://twitter.com/#!/pasinomo/status/102596163483607040 Aug 14 17:13:31 all I want is a way of disabling this behaviour per package :) Aug 14 17:13:38 hi javispedro thiago \o Aug 14 17:13:48 M4rtinK, you can. just use make -j1 Aug 14 17:13:49 arfoll: I can do that for simpler packages, but now go fix the Gtk+ debian/rules =) Aug 14 17:13:51 as I have to modify the packages anyway (downgrade debhelper, etc.) Aug 14 17:14:01 arfoll: na, you can Aug 14 17:14:09 javispedro, i did it for a pkg the other day Aug 14 17:14:12 arfoll: at most, you can do a debian/rules wrapper that calls the real rules with -j1 Aug 14 17:14:29 arfoll: the issue is NOT with the package itself Aug 14 17:14:38 but with the debian/rules file Aug 14 17:14:59 well i did it on a spec file Aug 14 17:15:44 just specified make -j1 isntead of %make macro. can't you do something like that in deb world? Aug 14 17:16:11 how to explain :) Aug 14 17:16:22 the issue is that on debian the spec file is a Makefile Aug 14 17:16:28 and that Makefile is being called with -j4 Aug 14 17:16:37 therefore %configure and %make are being run at the same time, on different cores Aug 14 17:17:07 oh. now that is a funny side effect Aug 14 17:17:47 you can easily fix the trivial ones (I've been doing that so far) Aug 14 17:18:13 but half of the debian archive assumes this stage is sequential, not parallel, and that includes all of the definitely nontrivial packagings Aug 14 17:18:33 (like Gtk+) Aug 14 17:18:42 how does opensuse obs handle it? Aug 14 17:18:49 why does any of this work on debian ? they serialize all their builds ? Aug 14 17:19:19 this is how it looks like in the build log: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=gtk-fremantle&project=home%3AMartinK%3Agtk&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard Aug 14 17:20:02 arfoll: afaik, they eventually moved debian packages to -j1, as debian has its own way of enabling make -j4 Aug 14 17:20:06 first "make[1]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1. Add `+' to parent make rule." then "/usr/bin/make -j3 -C /usr/src/packages/BUILD \" followed by "make[1]: warning: -jN forced in submake: disabling jobserver mode." Aug 14 17:20:09 *-jN :) Aug 14 17:20:55 basically you pass a environment var with the number of jobs to use and the rules files is expected to call make on the apropiate targets that way. Aug 14 17:21:11 but the rules file itself should be executed sequentially. Aug 14 17:21:42 hi, i just installed meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.0.90.13.20110811.83.img into an exopc and now it won't boot anymore, gets stuck at the "MeeGo" splash screen Aug 14 17:21:47 any idea what to do? Aug 14 17:21:54 i've already reflashed twice Aug 14 17:27:05 javispedro: so even if I force -j1 in the rules file, OBS would still run it in 4 threads at once and it would still fail ? Aug 14 17:27:43 it would still fail. Aug 14 17:27:51 Nice! :) Aug 14 17:28:09 you have to add fake dependencies everywhere Aug 14 17:28:24 ? Aug 14 17:29:11 to force-serialise it somehow ? Aug 14 17:29:17 yes Aug 14 17:29:43 what about some cascading sleep commands ? :D Aug 14 17:29:44 the idea is to for example add rules like build-stamp: configure-stamp Aug 14 17:29:56 if debian/rules are a Makefile, why don't they include .NOTPARALLEL: ? Aug 14 17:30:14 that would force make to run them in sequence, but allow -j for inner targets Aug 14 17:30:35 ok? /me goes read the docs Aug 14 17:30:45 *oh Aug 14 17:31:05 it's a gmake extension Aug 14 17:33:05 thiago: nice! thanks! Aug 14 17:33:37 that changes the plan; if it becomes trivial to fix debian/rules then I say keep the -j4. Aug 14 17:35:43 javispedro: I'm all for keeping it on by default (I would say some 75% of packages build just fine with it) if there is a way of disabling it for the problematic ones Aug 14 17:36:04 M4rtinK: just add .NOTPARALLEL: to the debian/rules file Aug 14 17:36:20 javispedro: I'm right on it :) Aug 14 17:36:27 including the colon Aug 14 17:37:04 does it matter where I put it ? Aug 14 17:37:35 aiui not. Aug 14 17:37:42 I don't think so either Aug 14 17:37:50 it's like the .PHONY: target. It just needs to be present. Aug 14 17:38:02 I'd recommend it not being the first. The first target has a special meaning. Aug 14 17:38:36 so if I put it just behind "#!/usr/bin/make -f" is it ok ? :) Aug 14 17:38:48 better add it to the end Aug 14 17:38:51 append to the bottom :-) Aug 14 17:39:07 ok :) Aug 14 17:39:48 added just behind .PHONY: Aug 14 17:49:21 * lbt wonders if that could be done by OBS somehow Aug 14 17:52:17 OK, so 2 packages (gtk-lenny and gtk-hardy) modified and sent to OBS for build Aug 14 17:53:12 aren't "hardy" and "lenny" Debian codenames? Aug 14 17:53:57 well, thats just me internal naming Aug 14 17:54:46 it means GTK versions repackaged from Debian Lenny and Ubuntu Hardy Aug 14 17:54:47 what are you doing, by curiosity? Aug 14 17:55:59 I need PyGTK for my main project: the modRana navigation system Aug 14 17:57:53 already got it working on my N950 using packages build in scratchbox Aug 14 17:59:41 *built Aug 14 18:00:41 so you're hoping one of those two rulesets will build? Aug 14 18:01:22 M4rtinK: so you have experienced how ugly Gtk+ looks on Harmattan and you are happy with it? :) Aug 14 18:01:30 yeah, I basically just need ONE working GTK version :) Aug 14 18:01:42 javispedro: actually looks the same as on N900 :) Aug 14 18:01:57 yeah, except the N950 doesn't look anything like the N900 Aug 14 18:02:22 modRana sidesteps most of GTK and draws the whole GUI inside a Cairo widget :) Aug 14 18:02:26 probably you are not using any of Gtk+'s widgets and you could as well use SDL. Aug 14 18:03:06 If I could use it with Cairo, why not Aug 14 18:03:15 oh, you can, I've done it Aug 14 18:03:20 also, http://cairographics.org/SDL/ Aug 14 18:03:27 OH ! :D Aug 14 18:03:38 well now that's something :) Aug 14 18:04:04 consider if you need multiple windows or text input before switching¡ Aug 14 18:05:20 that could be a problem - IMO SDL 1.2 does not even properly support Unicode Aug 14 18:05:56 it does not support text input. Aug 14 18:06:14 at all ? :) Aug 14 18:06:43 at all, so far. Aug 14 18:06:47 it supports keyboard events, but how you deal with them is up to you entirely Aug 14 18:07:10 hmm, I'm sure some workaround could be found Aug 14 18:07:23 also, what about Python interaction ? Aug 14 18:07:48 http://pygame.org/wiki/CairoPygame Aug 14 18:08:15 M4rtinK: but if you are interested in text input, it means you are using a GtkEntry widget somewhere? Aug 14 18:08:47 I just launch message box with a GTK entry Aug 14 18:09:08 so then you DO use widgets. that message will look ugly :) Aug 14 18:09:21 it does :D Aug 14 18:09:39 also the entry widget does not start the onscreen keyboard :) Aug 14 18:10:00 the hardware keyboard works though Aug 14 18:10:25 * javispedro hides Aug 14 18:12:38 don't get the onscreen keyboard either with meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.0.90.13.20110811.83.img Aug 14 18:17:55 I might just well start a small Qt/QML app for the text entry :) or process the raw keyboard events - or make a custom onscreen keyboard, Opera style :) Aug 14 18:18:50 modRana already has special device modules for platform specific hacks like this :) Aug 14 18:18:56 gtk+ text entry will eventually work though Aug 14 18:19:13 eventually ? Aug 14 18:19:46 when I get into it Aug 14 18:20:07 (or someone else) Aug 14 18:20:08 so you are also working on GTK ? Aug 14 18:20:13 not yet Aug 14 18:20:25 I am still working on SDL. Aug 14 18:21:39 it would be nice to get some more modern GTK version running Aug 14 18:21:55 let's move to #harmattan though Aug 14 18:21:59 with gobject introspection, etc. Aug 14 18:22:01 ok :) Aug 14 18:27:49 anyone has a hint for a working meego image? Aug 14 18:28:19 1.2.0.90.13.20110811.83 does not show the on screen keyboard, 1.2.0.90.12.20110809.2 doesn't boot from usb Aug 14 18:29:24 * CosmoHill curses people with voice mail Aug 14 18:31:40 * lcuk leaves CosmoHill voicemail Aug 14 18:32:07 actually it's not so bad now that I've changed networks Aug 14 18:32:27 I get charged 1p cos I hang up straight away instead of 25p cos I'm into my first minute Aug 14 20:31:02 antman8969, \o Aug 14 20:31:14 i tried the .deb you provided a few days ago Aug 14 20:31:25 which was that? Aug 14 20:31:29 thanks it gave me a look at the irc client Venemo has been making Aug 14 20:31:33 aaah Aug 14 20:31:57 yea it's looking nice, if he adds the functionality I'll throw up another deb Aug 14 20:32:09 Would be nice to use it Aug 14 20:32:25 antman8969, it's coming along nicely Aug 14 20:32:43 could you link the repo again? forgot to bookmark Aug 14 20:33:29 I'll make a package of it this evening Aug 14 20:33:57 awesome Aug 14 20:34:01 I've just added the feature that the color of a channel in the switcher changes if there are new messages in it Aug 14 20:34:33 could you link the repo anyway? I'm interested in the models you're using Aug 14 20:34:39 sure Aug 14 20:34:46 antman8969, see /topic in #irc-chatter Aug 14 20:40:53 thiago: the .NOTPARALLEL: thing caused a "make: *** [binary-arch] Error 255" Aug 14 20:41:05 log: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=gtk-hardy&project=home%3AMartinK%3Agtk&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard Aug 14 20:42:44 for the record, I put it directly behind .PHONY: Aug 14 20:49:23 M4rtinK: this is the real error: dh_install: libgtk2.0-0 missing files (debian/install/shared/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/*.so), aborting Aug 14 21:07:35 Venemo, would the libirc thing you use be usable if you needed an alternative ux for meego Aug 14 21:07:54 arfoll, :D Aug 14 21:08:18 lcuk, sure, it just needs to be packaged for meego Aug 14 21:08:52 i gather the latest source is https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/irc-chatter Aug 14 21:09:11 yeah, but my latest changes are not pushed yet Aug 14 21:10:01 Venemo_N950, that is ok, will try it on the n900-ce tomorrow Aug 14 21:10:24 lcuk, you can't unless you package libircclient-qt Aug 14 21:10:36 sigh Aug 14 21:10:42 Venemo_N950, how are you using it then? Aug 14 21:10:46 it is qt isn't it? Aug 14 21:10:55 lcuk, it is packaged for harmattan. Aug 14 21:11:06 head-desk. Aug 14 21:11:30 I think rzr might have packaged it in rpm too Aug 14 21:11:30 antman8969, any chance of a meego package Aug 14 21:11:54 as for my own app, I can and will make an rpm Aug 14 21:11:56 for venemo's irc chatter? Aug 14 21:12:02 there you go lol Aug 14 21:12:56 thiago: oh, ok, I'll try to fix this one first then :) Aug 14 21:24:31 hi, ,is there an updated guide to writing udev rules?? i can't get mine to work Aug 14 21:26:45 lcuk, you that happy i'm following you? Aug 14 21:32:48 actually i got it to work =P Aug 14 21:33:06 :) Aug 14 21:33:15 arfoll: so i have the hdmi stuff working, your service file worked, and i had to add a udev rule Aug 14 21:35:46 now i just need it to autostart Aug 14 21:42:18 gandhijee_, cool Aug 14 21:46:20 gandhijee_, what kernel are you using? Aug 14 21:47:58 a custom one Aug 14 21:48:13 stock doesn't come compiled with i2c-i801 i don't think Aug 14 21:48:42 so your kernel isn't on obs? Aug 14 21:48:46 nope Aug 14 21:50:21 you mind making a patch to the changes in the startup script and passing the udev/dbus rules you added so i can put them in the pkg? Aug 14 21:50:46 sure, as soon as i get it all up i can pass it over Aug 14 21:51:34 cool Aug 14 21:53:15 arfoll, happy you are working on the marine stuff Aug 14 21:53:25 and you are following me of course :P Aug 14 21:54:56 i'm working? that's news to me Aug 14 21:55:18 i can't tell what these maltesers are doing Aug 14 21:55:41 berndhs, maybe i can help you understand Aug 14 21:56:03 yes perhaps Aug 14 21:56:36 they dont seem to be writing a lot of code Aug 14 21:57:30 berndhs, well there is some on github Aug 14 21:57:41 i saw that ues Aug 14 21:57:43 yes Aug 14 21:58:01 arfoll: you know if there is a daemon/start-stop-daemon package for meego 1.2.x? Aug 14 21:58:03 i'm not sure why anyone would write motor control stuff in java Aug 14 21:58:22 berndhs: have you seen the buglabs stuff? Aug 14 21:58:40 probably not, i just looked on github for a few minutes Aug 14 21:58:53 gandhijee_, not that i'm aware, i'm thinking a .desktop file would be better Aug 14 21:59:06 berndhs, and i would agree Aug 14 21:59:34 the current concentration is currently all on getting the marssa architecture out Aug 14 22:00:04 by that i mean the documentation and technical aspect Aug 14 22:00:10 not the implementation Aug 14 22:00:28 so basically coding is not the priority Aug 14 22:01:00 seems reasonable Aug 14 22:01:38 its just hard to tell what will be part of the project, and what is just specs for the world at large Aug 14 22:02:14 well the java implementation is basically for the test dinghy and as a reference Aug 14 22:02:23 right Aug 14 22:02:36 that's not the core effort though Aug 14 22:03:00 exactly Aug 14 22:03:09 autonomous vehicle would be cool, but it doesn't seem to be a big point Aug 14 22:03:45 I want to try MeeGo on N900 , which version do you recommend ? summer release or daily or weekly .. ? Aug 14 22:03:49 so far autonomous is not on the roadmap but it would be cool Aug 14 22:04:17 once motor control works nicely it could be implemented fairly easily Aug 14 22:05:12 the java is going to screw up the motor control timing Aug 14 22:05:39 my exact words last week Aug 14 22:06:48 i'll use daily builds! Aug 14 22:07:27 i don't know if the optimist has a daggerboard, but that would help with steering :) Aug 14 22:08:59 the whole propulsion is undergoing serious rethinking atm Aug 14 22:15:41 just put in some JATOs, it will fly Aug 14 22:16:39 ja, i asked for an F35 as a test platform but i wasn't even taken seriously Aug 14 22:26:43 Alison_Chaiken, i've rebuilt the kernel from trunk with the i2c modules (was getting bored) Aug 14 22:28:47 Ah thanks, arfoll. I'll have a look. Aug 14 22:29:01 (I have all my vegetables now.) Aug 14 22:29:23 its on meego obs, so i can open a bug and try get the modules into the meego 1.3 kernel Aug 14 22:29:58 since intel distributed the exo they should be interested in having working hdmi... Aug 14 22:32:11 Certainly i2c modules and HDMI are of general interest. Aug 14 22:37:25 It's in kernel-adaptation-pinetrail or in devel:kernel or MeeGo:1.2.0? Aug 14 22:38:23 Alison_Chaiken, damn i forgot to branch from devel:kernel http://build.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Abrendan%3Abranches%3ATrunk Aug 14 22:38:45 i'll fix it when i open the bug and everything works Aug 14 22:39:23 tablet ux has made gd progress Aug 14 22:42:12 Is Tablet UX going to have official releases like Handset, IVI, TV, etc? Aug 14 22:42:31 Like an official Tablet UX 1.3.0 shortly following MeeGo 1.3? Aug 14 22:42:55 (Claimer: I'm joining a new startup and have a new professional interest in the matter.) Aug 14 22:44:52 Alison_Chaiken, handset,ivi,tv have official releases? Aug 14 22:45:36 I see that your new build says "Obsoletes: kernel-adaptation-pinetrail < 3.0", so I will use your new build as a basis instead of kernel-adaptation-pinetrail. Aug 14 22:46:45 As far as "official releases," I meant that www.meego.com has 5 icons leading to dowload links, but not one for tablet. Aug 14 22:46:51 yeah looks like -pinetrail got demoted to -pc Aug 14 22:47:26 nicely noticed, that does seem a bit weird. considering its probaly the nicest ui there is Aug 14 22:47:31 Hey, I see "media phone" is a new addition to the front page. Aug 14 22:47:39 nah that's been there since the start Aug 14 22:47:56 Yeah, tablet should definitely be on the front page. I have been wondering! Aug 14 22:48:09 btw my kernel seems to work and both modules load Aug 14 22:48:15 -pc is odd instead of -atom. Aug 14 22:48:30 Cool, does it have hid_egalax too? Aug 14 22:49:39 Alison_Chaiken, no idea whats hid_egalax for? Aug 14 22:50:35 hid_egalax is the touchscreen that's on ExoPC. hid_egalax.ko is part of Tablet UX. Aug 14 22:50:46 well the touchscreen works, so i guess yes Aug 14 22:50:49 tablet ux is still a developer preview Aug 14 22:51:05 and at least the 1.2.0.90 are highly instable Aug 14 22:51:12 °unstable Aug 14 22:51:15 pebcak, is tablet ux going to transition to "regular" for 1.3? Aug 14 22:51:34 Alison_Chaiken sorry, I don't know Aug 14 22:51:42 I wouldn't bet on it Aug 14 22:52:00 as I said, it's still heavily developed Aug 14 22:52:20 and I guess they also want appup and such stuff stable for a release Aug 14 22:52:24 it#s far from it Aug 14 22:52:51 pebcak, yes but doesnt mean tablet shouldnt be on the meego.com frontpage. i mean tv is there and there is no public tv release Aug 14 22:52:53 would rather have a stable 1.4 than a sucking 1.3 release Aug 14 22:53:09 arfoll there are only releases on frontpage Aug 14 22:53:20 tab is developer preview, not a release Aug 14 22:53:24 pebcak, so please point me to a tv meego release Aug 14 22:53:54 arfoll you shouldn't complain to me, I'm not intel/meego Aug 14 22:54:12 just can tell you what I think I know about tablet ux Aug 14 22:54:34 and I flash it every 2 days ;) Aug 14 22:54:47 heh Aug 14 22:56:00 gandhijee_, can you pass me that udev file? Aug 14 22:56:04 there are still a lot of things to fix Aug 14 22:56:58 arfoll, I see that hid_egalax is now part of CONFIG_HID_MULTITOUCH: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/613431/ Aug 14 22:57:22 Alison_Chaiken, thats in the -pc kernel Aug 14 22:58:24 damn mosqitos Aug 14 22:58:45 +u Aug 14 22:58:47 :D Aug 14 22:59:25 So goody, I don't have to separately compile hid_egalax anymore! Aug 14 22:59:54 although we've lost having the config in /proc :-( Aug 14 23:00:25 the pegatron stuff is in asus_laptop right? Aug 14 23:02:26 anyway, tablet ux is really very unstable... forgets hardware every second boot, hangs, forgets orientation, can't decide how often is should show the numbers of pages in appgrid... and I'm not even starting on the apps Aug 14 23:20:20 can u suggest a terminal package for the tablet install ? Aug 14 23:31:43 RzR: xterm-261-3.10.i586.rpm ? Aug 14 23:32:51 that one is ok for me but i wish it has a better integration w/ the rest of the desktop Aug 14 23:33:06 i'am testing other ones Aug 14 23:33:40 what integration, its a full screen xterm :) Aug 14 23:34:08 maybe meego-terminal will be better, it builds on obs Aug 14 23:34:57 integration is important http://xkcd.com/937/ Aug 14 23:35:43 actually i dont really get that comic Aug 14 23:36:13 this one in particular, or xkcd in general ? Aug 14 23:36:20 that one Aug 14 23:36:48 your the second person to mention it so i must be missing something Aug 14 23:36:59 the evaluation of the gui and lack of crashes is more important than that it doesn't actually work Aug 14 23:38:04 oh ok. but loads of people just too dumb to use apps. if you use android store a bit you learn to ignore those 'dont work' comments Aug 14 23:38:38 i mean loads of people can't follow the nstructions to enable the JSON api in xbmc and then claim the android remote app doesnt work Aug 14 23:38:48 sure taht too Aug 14 23:39:21 i thought it was something with the multiple location warning (because it Aug 14 23:39:34 supposed to warn you 'where you are') Aug 14 23:39:39 but thats not funny Aug 14 23:42:54 arfoll: KERNEL=="i2c-? Aug 14 23:42:57 whoops Aug 14 23:43:32 gandhijee_, actually i've worked out to put KERNEL="i2c-[0-9]*", MODE="0666" in rules Aug 14 23:43:39 KERNEL=="i2c-?", ATTRS{name}=="SMBus I801 adapter at f000", MODE="0666" Aug 14 23:44:02 that will make it so only the one for the chrontel chip is in rw mode Aug 14 23:44:26 arfoll: do you have start-stop-daemon installed/ Aug 14 23:44:27 ah, even better Aug 14 23:44:45 no, i dont, where did you get it from? Aug 14 23:44:53 i don Aug 14 23:44:54 t Aug 14 23:45:08 i'm about to track down the we tab sources for it Aug 14 23:45:11 but it works or not? Aug 14 23:45:13 how do i use OBS? Aug 14 23:45:33 kind of, you need start-stop-daemon so you can plug in the hdmi at any time and work Aug 14 23:45:38 you ask lbt/x-fade for an accont, swear to only do FOSS and then use osc Aug 14 23:45:38 gandhijee_: do you have an account? Aug 14 23:45:49 the current way you have to call tiitoo-hdmi-daemin Aug 14 23:46:04 gandhijee_, when i do i just get an error : Aug 14 23:46:06 *daemon, and if your device isn't the std i2c-2 you need to pass the -d Aug 14 23:46:16 arfoll whats the error? Aug 14 23:46:20 Write byte fail (8, 03, 04): No such device or addressFound device ID 0xffffffff Aug 14 23:46:20 Fatal: Device ID 0xffffffff not the expected 0x56 Aug 14 23:46:34 ahh yeah, its checking the wrong device Aug 14 23:46:53 * lbt is going to bed pretty much 'now' .... Aug 14 23:46:54 apply the new udev rule and then check what /dev/i2c-* is in 666 mode Aug 14 23:47:08 so if you want OBS enabling... need your meego.com account Aug 14 23:47:17