**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 15 02:59:57 2011 Aug 15 05:15:53 hi all Aug 15 08:37:00 newsflash for all N9/N950 owners: http://twitter.com/#!/Venemo/status/103008339067273216 Aug 15 08:46:29 Venemo: I love the explanation for the pic on the wiki page Aug 15 09:09:30 morning \o Aug 15 09:14:11 Tm_T :) Aug 15 09:14:21 lcuk, good morning o7 Aug 15 09:14:36 Tm_T, which part do you love about it? :) Aug 15 09:17:27 morning Venemo you are gaining momentum with your awesome app Aug 15 09:18:01 lcuk, am I? :) Aug 15 09:21:07 lcuk, I'm happy for my app - in the beginning I just wanted to use an awesome IRC client - I'm happy that other people find it awesome too :) Aug 15 09:22:03 Venemo, building momentum as you have is good Aug 15 09:22:39 Venemo: in general, just find it amusing that you find a need to explain it, and the explanation Aug 15 09:23:46 Tm_T, many people asked me "where did you get that N9" - so I wrote there that I don't actually have one... :P Aug 15 10:47:23 anyone here using Fedora 15 as a Qt Development box ? Aug 15 10:48:54 slaine: I'm using Fedora 14 Aug 15 10:49:14 I'm having a problem on F15 with QtCreator, trying to see if it's just me Aug 15 10:49:26 whats the problem? Aug 15 10:49:28 crashes out if I try and open the designer on a qml file Aug 15 10:49:34 any qml file Aug 15 10:49:37 no it's not you Aug 15 10:49:40 its a bug in qtcreator Aug 15 10:49:43 Ah Aug 15 10:50:07 upstream or missing files from the package Aug 15 10:50:58 you can get around it by using a different theme engine for qt creator (not the gtk one) Aug 15 10:57:10 slaine: try ./qtcreator -style windows Aug 15 10:57:13 shouldn't crash now Aug 15 10:57:25 Oh Aug 15 10:57:43 So if I was using KDE as the desktop, I wouldn't see that ? Aug 15 10:58:14 I don't think so, it's a problem with GTK theme, I'm not sure what the solution is or if it's been fixed in 4.8 Aug 15 10:58:21 I probably just need a .qtconfig file or whatever it's called. Aug 15 11:04:09 slaine: https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com//browse/QTBUG-15592 Aug 15 11:05:11 looks like it'll be fixed for 4.8, before then you can use -style windows Aug 15 11:05:30 Thanks radiofree, saves me from installing a load of crap or a new distro Aug 15 12:02:49 http://rzr.online.fr/q/irc# testing #irc on #harmattan #n950 using irc-chatter thanks to Venemo enjoy #video next step #xmpp now (#n950club) Aug 15 12:02:57 http://rzr.online.fr/q/irc# testing #irc on #harmattan #n950 using irc-chatter thanks to Venemo enjoy #video next step #xmpp now (#n950club) Aug 15 12:07:33 RzR, Venemo mentioned that a .spec file and meego package for the irc library was required Aug 15 12:07:36 do you happen to have this already? Aug 15 12:08:00 i rebuilt it from source Aug 15 12:08:05 from git Aug 15 12:08:14 RzR, I know that Aug 15 12:08:15 for harmattan only not rpm yet Aug 15 12:08:19 but for others around meego to use it Aug 15 12:08:23 it will need rpm Aug 15 12:08:27 spec file should be easly to set it up Aug 15 12:08:37 this is the step #2 Aug 15 12:14:25 rzr it would help Venemo to create proper meego version if making the .spec file would be possible Aug 15 12:21:46 lcuk, not yet, but I'll have them as soon as I'm convinced that the app works with MeeGo vanilla Aug 15 12:22:16 lcuk, if you like, I could make a .spec file for you, but I currently have no way for testing on MeeGO Aug 15 12:22:24 maybe I should grab my N900 already? :P Aug 15 12:22:38 yes, you should Aug 15 12:22:53 http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/daily/1.2.0.90.12.20110810.2.DE.2011-08-15.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-testing/ Aug 15 12:22:59 todays daily testing images are here Aug 15 12:23:04 * lcuk just dding one Aug 15 12:23:22 all right Aug 15 12:23:35 is there an easy way of installing MeeGo now, or it's still complicated? Aug 15 12:24:08 if you have a microsd, it is relatively simple Aug 15 12:24:14 just dd the image onto the microsd Aug 15 12:24:17 then flash the kernel Aug 15 12:24:25 that will boot meego from the sd Aug 15 12:24:37 and will happily run and operate until you reboot Aug 15 12:24:47 it is the simplest path Aug 15 12:25:39 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC Aug 15 12:26:15 lcuk, I do not own a suitable MicroSD, and I don't have the money to buy one now. :( Aug 15 12:27:10 lcuk: ping me if this is stuck i'll help him Aug 15 12:27:12 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC Aug 15 12:27:14 wtf google buys motorolas mobile Aug 15 12:27:48 lcuk, again, I don't have an external card. Aug 15 12:28:58 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC Aug 15 12:29:04 I missed an E Aug 15 12:29:09 ah, ok Aug 15 12:29:12 I'm reading it now Aug 15 12:56:05 gandhijee_, Alison_Chaiken - see https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15637 Aug 15 12:56:08 Bug 15637 nor, Medium, ---, peng.li, NEW, [EXOPC] Unable to connect HDMI Aug 15 12:57:23 cool Aug 15 12:57:52 hdmi sound works too :-) Aug 15 13:05:37 I hope Google buying Motorola Mobility drives some Android licensees to evaluate MeeGo more seriously Aug 15 13:06:44 slaine, you mean the nokia-symbian-effect Aug 15 13:07:00 ins, I'm not sure what that is Aug 15 13:07:11 is motorola mobility the entire motorola mobile phone division? Aug 15 13:07:18 arfoll: I believe so Aug 15 13:07:34 * slaine isn't sure what's left of motorola after that Aug 15 13:07:41 it looks like google acquired a hefty mallet with which to smack the other patent holders back - so far they've been taking nothing short of beat after beat on that front Aug 15 13:08:09 Bostik: and in one fell swoop, Google now compete with all their Android licensees Aug 15 13:08:22 not yet Aug 15 13:08:26 slaine, most other manufacturers started leaving symbian alone when Nokia bought it. Aug 15 13:08:40 you have no idea what android is going to do Aug 15 13:09:02 slaine, they allready did with the N1 + NS Aug 15 13:09:12 slaine: true Aug 15 13:09:47 arfoll: Yeah, but I don't think the industry took this seriously enough to consider it a threat. They could be seen and where treated more as reference platforms than competition. Aug 15 13:09:55 although i liked their philosophy. One device take it or leave it. I'm tired of HTCs 100 phone lineups Aug 15 13:09:56 s/this/those Aug 15 13:10:31 slaine, well i think everyone in the android industry kind of fear android. including the operators Aug 15 13:10:53 android and google are interchangeable in that sentence Aug 15 13:11:23 they're still falling over themselves to get android phones out though. It's really ballooned as a revenue generator for those manufacturers over the last 2 years Aug 15 13:11:49 The N1 really ushered in the Android era with the 2.x software Aug 15 13:13:45 well for elop it's good. until M$ buy htc Aug 15 13:15:24 dumb qtcreator (from QtSDK 1.1.X) question: on my tablet, i have a Tools->Subversion but on netbook it's missing. How do i get subversion tools enabled? Aug 15 13:17:02 slaine: motorola split into two companies. one of which is motorola mobility. http://mediacenter.motorola.com/Press-Releases/Motorola-to-Complete-Separation-on-January-4-2011-3528.aspx Aug 15 13:17:23 in fact one can look at the split in hindsight as a plan to get bought Aug 15 13:20:30 npm, What do Motorola Solutions do ? Aug 15 13:20:47 I could look it up, but I'm not that interested, so if you don't know, don't worry Aug 15 13:21:38 Interesting take from @asymco, The debit column for Android being profitable just increased by $12,000,000,000.00 Aug 15 13:22:42 slaine: don't worry about their profits Aug 15 13:23:04 morning Aug 15 13:23:43 You don't have to worry, Motorola basically remains independent, but being owned by Google, gives Google their patent portfolio to protect Android Aug 15 13:25:44 juliank, who says? Aug 15 13:27:39 arfoll: PR says "Google will run Motorola Mobility as a separate business." and the quotes from the other Android vendors say things like "We welcome Google‘s commitment to defending Android and its partners." Aug 15 13:28:08 meh, i don't believe PR Aug 15 13:29:34 arfoll: It of course makes sense to fire Motorola's software people though, and let them only create hardware and use stock Android. Aug 15 13:30:14 All we know now with some certainty is that there won't be a MeeGo device from Motorola Aug 15 13:30:16 Right, let us fire as many software people as possible Aug 15 13:30:28 sorry, maemo dev new to meego, using Community edition on N900... is there a graphical file manager that works on the Handset UX? Aug 15 13:30:29 juliank:You mean, we did not know that? Aug 15 13:33:01 I see BBC NEWS are now giving a demo of a Motorola Android phone to give context to the Google buy ouy Aug 15 13:35:33 lbt: X-Fade: could I get a MeeGo Community Build Service account? (I'm looking to build an ARMv7 chroot, to see if I can use MeeGo tablet for a project) Aug 15 13:41:10 no meego from motorola, nor LG (in form of GW990), nor nokia (in UK/US at least), what meego hardware vendors are known to be in the handset arena ? Aug 15 13:42:02 odin_: The 'no ... uk has been unclear. Aug 15 13:42:23 There have been statemets made which seem to imply it may be available through smaller vendors unsubsidised. Aug 15 13:42:28 But not through main carriers. Aug 15 13:43:18 there doesn't seem to be any meego handset makers, if you don't count nokia Aug 15 14:21:25 gastal: pong Aug 15 14:21:40 lbt: hey Aug 15 14:22:04 so gastal - sure you can have an account Aug 15 14:22:38 what I would say is that rebuilding all of MeeGo is a bit much for the c.obs as an individual project Aug 15 14:22:39 lbt: do you need me to email you any info? my meego.com account username is gastal Aug 15 14:22:57 can I suggest you talk to Stskeeps or Sage on #meego-arm Aug 15 14:23:31 gastal: enabled now Aug 15 14:23:53 certainly, to rebuild all of meego you'd recommend doing it locally? Aug 15 14:24:18 talk to those guys about how they'd like it handled Aug 15 14:24:31 ok Aug 15 14:24:40 np :) Aug 15 14:41:30 ) Aug 15 15:50:30 arfoll, the link to the download repo at http://build.meego.com/project/repository_state?project=home%3Abrendan%3Abranches%3Adevel%3Akernel%3A1.2&repository=MeeGo_1.2 is broken Aug 15 15:50:53 Thanks to you and gandhijee for your help! Aug 15 15:51:17 Alison_Chaiken, fixed Aug 15 15:53:46 Thanks, I see it's fixed! You guys are fast. Aug 15 17:04:12 jfyi: < forMeeGoBot> PROBLEM build.meego.com HTTP CRITICAL CRITICAL - Socket timeout after 10 seconds Mon Aug 15 16:28:06 UTC 2011 Aug 15 17:04:18 * dm8tbr waited 30min Aug 15 17:04:55 so two errors in one Aug 15 17:06:20 something I expect this to be unrelated to the weekend thing. as that's supposedly fixed Aug 15 17:07:13 dm8tbr, time for a bugzilla update... Aug 15 17:07:51 arfoll: I'm unsure, I was labelled a 'bother' because I was updating it Aug 15 17:08:10 arfoll: I guess it needs to be down for at least a day before you are allowed to complain or sthg Aug 15 17:08:38 dm8tbr, lol ignore that. they need to accountable for their downtime Aug 15 17:08:44 I do not understand how ReleaseEngineering works. there is no transparency. Aug 15 17:09:50 arfoll: is it down for you too? Aug 15 17:10:07 dm8tbr, yep Aug 15 17:13:15 is there some development ISOs of meego somewhere? Aug 15 17:13:36 what if someone wants to help with testing and stuff? Aug 15 17:13:46 om26er: what are you exactly looking for? Aug 15 17:14:21 dm8tbr, I want to test the upcoming release Aug 15 17:14:34 om26er: of which UX? Aug 15 17:14:41 dm8tbr, netbook Aug 15 17:15:04 will there even be a 1.3 netbook release? Aug 15 17:15:15 oh Aug 15 17:15:19 I understood that development on 1.2 was already largely stalling Aug 15 17:15:31 dm8tbr, well since we are seeing devices with meego netbook on coming out Aug 15 17:15:45 lcuk: ok, not unlikely then Aug 15 17:16:03 om26er: anyway, yes there are images for download Aug 15 17:16:13 dm8tbr, where? Aug 15 17:16:49 om26er: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.80/1.2.80.14.0.20110809.2/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ Aug 15 17:17:06 om26er: that would be 1.2.80, which is the target branch for 1.3 Aug 15 17:17:22 the meego wiki should know more how to install etc Aug 15 17:17:28 dm8tbr, thx so basically the project is ..... Aug 15 17:17:37 what? Aug 15 17:17:50 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/snapshots/testing/1.2.0.90/ Aug 15 17:18:03 dm8tbr, stalled Aug 15 17:18:31 i was expecting to see gnome 3 and stuff in meego Aug 15 17:18:34 om26er: well, _netbook_ seems to be more in a sort of maintenance as far as I understand. which means it's mature Aug 15 17:19:03 om26er: you are mistaking meego for a linux distribution? Aug 15 17:19:40 dm8tbr, yes i thought so Aug 15 17:20:02 but now i think i am getting the vision now Aug 15 17:20:27 it's more of a 'business thing', where you can build a distribution on top etc Aug 15 17:20:36 I'm not the right person to explain that though Aug 15 17:21:25 dm8tbr, is intel still interested in Meego??? Aug 15 17:21:34 thats all what matters for me Aug 15 17:26:45 om26er: yes, as far as I understand they are very much commited to meego Aug 15 17:28:27 it would be foolish of them to pull out now Aug 15 17:28:30 * CosmoHill looks at Nokia Aug 15 17:32:18 dm8tbr, good to know, thx. Aug 15 18:08:25 hey DawnFoster Aug 15 18:45:12 evening CosmoHill Aug 15 18:45:21 did you watch top gear last night? Aug 15 18:45:52 nope, I thought it was a repeate Aug 15 18:45:59 I still have the week before's to watch on sky+ Aug 15 18:46:08 bbl, dinner Aug 15 18:47:48 * CosmoHill returns with dindins Aug 15 18:53:55 html: you american? Aug 15 19:02:04 y do u ask? Aug 15 19:02:22 CosmoHill, ? y do you ask? Aug 15 19:02:28 just curious Aug 15 19:03:41 spotted your real name which sounds american Aug 15 19:06:12 born american , but my roots are elsewhere Aug 15 19:08:01 cool Aug 15 19:08:03 what about you? Aug 15 19:08:08 English :) Aug 15 19:08:29 family have lived in the same town for 3 generations and the same region for 100s of years Aug 15 19:10:18 really? dont you think its time to move XD Aug 15 19:10:21 jk Aug 15 19:10:27 lol Aug 15 19:10:42 mum's side moved to france Aug 15 19:10:48 ive been here most of my live Aug 15 19:14:10 i am still here :) Aug 15 19:16:07 html,Tim Berners Lee is one of your parents! :P Aug 15 19:16:29 lcuk: I'd guess the father Aug 15 19:16:44 lcuk, me? Aug 15 19:20:13 lcuk, are you joking? cuz my name is simular to his Aug 15 19:20:35 according to this thing, either you or your computer is called dustin Aug 15 19:20:59 that is why I thought you where american Aug 15 19:22:18 v Aug 15 19:22:32 my name is dustin , also lee is my other name Aug 15 19:22:49 Venemo: I can test irc-c on tablet version of meego Aug 15 19:23:19 rzr`, you could try, but there are no guarantees that it will work. Aug 15 19:23:34 Dustin Lee Thomas Aug 15 19:25:45 ? are you giving me that name? Aug 15 19:25:52 if you want it Aug 15 19:25:59 none of them are my names Aug 15 19:26:01 :D Aug 15 19:27:42 rzr`, you will need qt-components (or whatever it's called) Aug 15 19:31:45 main.cpp:9:â€‚fatalâ€‚error:â€‚MDeclarativeCache:â€‚Noâ€‚suchâ€‚fileâ€‚orâ€‚directory Aug 15 19:31:48 true Aug 15 19:32:26 forget that lines that wasnt about irc-c Aug 15 19:34:53 hi I'd like to get meego install on a android device called gentouch78, how can I tell if this device uses uboot? Aug 15 19:36:31 newbie007, you can do that? Aug 15 19:37:08 we'll see Aug 15 19:37:33 I don't mind bricking it, I have two and it was vry cheap Aug 15 19:37:50 newbie007: a start would be to find out if the hardware is compatable Aug 15 19:38:15 it's arm Aug 15 19:38:24 arm 11 I think Aug 15 19:38:56 more than just the processor Aug 15 19:39:28 also I've heard that ubuntu was put on it Aug 15 19:39:40 I'm just starting with, does it use u-boot Aug 15 19:39:57 research sounds like a good place Aug 15 19:50:37 is it possible to use the android kernel with meego userspace? Aug 15 19:50:52 (to ask a question based on the grid thingamibob Aug 15 19:52:47 lcuk: yes Aug 15 19:53:06 lcuk: you can boot an android kernel and then pivot to a meego rootfs Aug 15 19:53:13 Bostik, ooh Aug 15 19:53:32 but that is not quite the same as making a meego image with an android libc or whatever it needs Aug 15 19:53:54 lcuk: how do you think our early "meego on nook color" worked? :) Aug 15 19:54:09 i don't know! :$ Aug 15 19:54:16 dare I say: magic! Aug 15 19:54:35 but since I have not seen the nook really Aug 15 19:55:51 lcuk, what did you think about grid? Aug 15 19:56:23 antman8969, not sure been preoccupied with meego bugs Aug 15 19:56:42 i am just curious about making it easier to use meego on different devices Aug 15 19:56:47 and since many have android already Aug 15 19:56:53 it would make things simpler Aug 15 19:57:24 my dad got the Sony Arc today Aug 15 20:00:09 the biggest issue is having matching softfp/hardfp userland for the kernel drivers - most android devices apparently ship softfp drivers so it needs a custom build Aug 15 20:01:08 do device drivers generally have floating point functions? Aug 15 20:04:22 the GL/GPU ones seem to sport them... Aug 15 20:04:47 perhaps yeah Aug 15 20:33:54 meegawesome Aug 15 20:34:15 * CosmoHill is debugging his model railway Aug 15 20:34:21 heh Aug 15 20:34:33 can't be that hard, it's a circle. Having said that I am using a DMM Aug 15 20:41:41 CosmoHill: solving race conditions can be tricky. Aug 15 20:42:13 tell me about it, I had two HSTs on with different loads and I couldn't get them to go the same speed Aug 15 20:42:30 CosmoHill, share the load Aug 15 20:42:30 kept changing the loads and all I did was change which one went faster Aug 15 20:47:05 hola Aug 15 20:49:03 hi Aug 15 20:49:48 CosmoHill, how is lfs doing? Aug 15 20:50:32 LFS seems to be going alright, a few new comers this month and one big argument about windows or microsoft or something Aug 15 20:50:51 I duno but I kicked like 5 people including regulars and ops Aug 15 20:50:54 LFS? Aug 15 20:51:12 Linux From Scratch (or Cross LFS which I work on) Aug 15 20:51:53 lcuk: we're (I'm) slowly getting towards the release of CLFS 1.2 we just need to test / do a build on each arch Aug 15 20:52:56 If anyone has an questions about CLFS / LFS and don't like to go off topic you can ask me in #cross-lfs Aug 15 20:53:34 tell me what is it? Aug 15 20:54:17 CLFS / LFS are books / guides for the purpose of teaching you how a linux distrocution is created and how the packages work with each other Aug 15 20:54:50 by follow the book you will end up with a basic linux distrobution Aug 15 20:54:51 i should read more linuxy books Aug 15 20:54:58 is there a meego one? Aug 15 20:55:01 I believe the motto is "your distro, your rules" Aug 15 20:55:20 ("stfu and do as I say" is another one used by moderators) Aug 15 20:56:39 lcuk: with a decent system / ability to read english / follow instructions you could do LFS within a day Aug 15 20:57:11 I have grasped much of how linux sits together now after last couple of years Aug 15 20:57:41 but it is still non trivial no matter which distro to get started Aug 15 20:57:41 CosmoHill: does LFS covers X and DEs? Aug 15 20:57:44 I actually joined #meego to learn more about linux since my level is pretty much low end core. I know little about fancy packages and GUIs Aug 15 20:57:46 especially coming from windows side Aug 15 20:57:59 there is a Beyond book which covers pretty much everything else Aug 15 20:58:12 CBLFS is a wiki which can be updated where as BLFS is an outdated book imo Aug 15 21:00:49 lcuk: some say it's like the next step after gentoo Aug 15 21:01:06 i have to vanish, there is chocolate somewhere in this house Aug 15 21:01:36 CosmoHill, i sometimes feel like I could do gentoo easily now! Aug 15 21:02:14 I became a CLFS developer within a year of starting LFS and now I'm the release manager Aug 15 21:04:54 lcuk: LFS would be a good project for you ... and adapting it to do systemd and/or wayland would be a mega learning experience Aug 15 21:05:16 * lbt debates doing that himself "one day" Aug 15 21:05:24 lbt, indeed it would Aug 15 21:05:27 I've been meaning to try wayland since I've heard of it Aug 15 21:05:36 I have recently obtained a bridge lbt Aug 15 21:05:42 also Joe, the CLFS co-leader is planning systemd for CLFS 2.0 Aug 15 21:05:51 I can now migrate my sketches and synchronise to other devices Aug 15 21:06:04 wayland partÃ©eee Aug 15 21:06:07 and: I HAVE CHOCOLATE! Aug 15 21:06:15 nestle aero Aug 15 21:06:16 :D Aug 15 21:06:25 * lbt has a daim bar for later Aug 15 21:06:26 dude that are awesome Aug 15 21:06:43 which is what finns call Dime bars :) Aug 15 21:06:53 getoo? whats that ? Aug 15 21:06:54 do they cost a dime? Aug 15 21:07:02 lbt, is it possible to run over lfs Aug 15 21:07:05 but using meego components? Aug 15 21:07:16 hint or tip.... don't browse the chocolate shops at an airport when you're early and hungry Aug 15 21:07:28 lcuk: let me know... Aug 15 21:07:45 I want to make a project on build.pub.meego.com which branchs off a project in build.meego.com, namely devel:kernel:kernel-adaptation-pinetrail. the build.pub.meego.com web interface does not find that project :/ Aug 15 21:07:54 html: gentoo is a distro, see gentoo.org] Aug 15 21:08:06 ops, no Aug 15 21:08:08 no... flailingmonkey ... you have to use .... the keyboard! Aug 15 21:08:09 ops, no ] Aug 15 21:08:15 * lbt ducks Aug 15 21:08:21 this is because I want to enable i2c-dev and i2c-i801 in kernel config Aug 15 21:08:43 seriously though ... just find the project/package on main obs Aug 15 21:08:59 gastal, is it netbook-friendly Aug 15 21:09:03 cut and type : MeeGo.com: Aug 15 21:09:05 lbt if it can use meego components, i can discuss it here you see :P Aug 15 21:09:24 lcuk: you could easily do MFS Aug 15 21:09:27 and perhaps get others interested in building stuff Aug 15 21:09:35 just extract the source and patches Aug 15 21:09:45 lbt, using the .ks builder tool thingie Aug 15 21:09:55 flailingmonkey: yell if you get stuck doing that Aug 15 21:09:59 lcuk: nah Aug 15 21:10:06 .ks needs packages.... Aug 15 21:10:15 html: I don't know what you mean by netbook-friendly, there is no default UI, pretty much every DE in existence is supported.... Aug 15 21:10:16 LFS is "make install"-land Aug 15 21:10:22 lbt, original liqbase Aug 15 21:10:27 i built it on the device it was using Aug 15 21:10:32 de means? Aug 15 21:10:35 had problems sharing that knowledge Aug 15 21:10:41 lbt: i will of course. where did you mean for me to "cut and type" into? Aug 15 21:11:02 desktop environment, KDE, gnome, xfce, lxde, etc Aug 15 21:11:05 mmm when you 'add repository' Aug 15 21:11:14 gastal, just being able to run every DE is not a benefit - having a good solid supported environment matters more to majority Aug 15 21:11:19 there's an advanced link - sounds like you were using it already Aug 15 21:11:47 fyi my server has been running LFS since 2008 Aug 15 21:11:52 gastal, did you see this: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops Aug 15 21:11:57 lcuk: to me(as a gentoo user) it matters a great deal to have near-absolute control over my system Aug 15 21:12:05 regarding supporting the other meego uxes from one build Aug 15 21:12:13 gastal, of course Aug 15 21:12:38 gastal, do you expect gentoo to be ready for the masses? Aug 15 21:13:13 for future reference: CLFS is #cross-lfs on this server and LFS is #lfs-support on irc.linuxfromscratch.org Aug 15 21:13:32 people always talk about that, but I don't think that means much, my parents and friends can't use windows or ubuntu without help either Aug 15 21:13:51 gastal, sure Aug 15 21:13:51 lcuk: do it's absolutely true that gentoo is a lot more work than those Aug 15 21:13:52 * CosmoHill gets paid to do simple things for non-computer people Aug 15 21:14:00 * gastal too Aug 15 21:14:11 but good thing about windows is that lots of people are proficient at curing it Aug 15 21:15:15 which is what I wish was true also of linux, =) Aug 15 21:15:47 gastal, indeed Aug 15 21:15:57 then again, I've been using linux for long enough that trying to use windows makes my head hurt Aug 15 21:16:04 meego is reasonably simple to keep ontop of Aug 15 21:17:21 from what little experience I've got with it, it seems pretty easy to use. Aug 15 21:17:34 * CosmoHill uses Fedora $CURRENT_VERSION, Win7, OS X 10.5 Leopard and Windows HPC 2008 Aug 15 21:17:48 wow, that corageous..... Aug 15 21:18:22 I've got a win7 install on my notebook for the rare ocassion in which I want to game, but I haven't booted in months Aug 15 21:18:39 I came in today to find that someone had tested the eletrical safety of my HPC Aug 15 21:18:50 meego OBS has so many similar projects which has me so confused :/ Aug 15 21:19:18 flailingmonkey: you are not alone... one day I need to fiure out and write up which ones to use... Aug 15 21:19:47 lbt: "there is already a package X, do you wish to continue in making your own version?" Aug 15 21:20:00 ? Aug 15 21:20:04 between devel, Trunk, Meego, etc Aug 15 21:20:16 it isn't so much that people made their own version Aug 15 21:20:20 I mean the OBS will warn people who are creating new packages which are already in the OBS Aug 15 21:20:22 its an integration level issue Aug 15 21:20:38 flailingmonkey: ah, you don't know how well they've been made Aug 15 21:20:41 it's hard to know which version is "above" another Aug 15 21:20:52 CosmoHill: different and difficult problem... I mentioned it a while back... namespaces will bite MeeGo soon Aug 15 21:21:06 * lbt has popcorn ready Aug 15 21:21:38 i haven't seen any 1.3 builds working, but people do mention it on the mailing list Aug 15 21:23:58 has there been any announcements on the meego tablet device program? Aug 15 21:26:30 TSCHAKeee: I've only seen that it's closed Aug 15 21:29:20 lbt: i totally missed the "add repository" requirement for this to work when i tried earlier Aug 15 21:33:20 flailingmonkey: OK - did that sort it for you ? Aug 15 21:35:27 Please excuse my cross-posting. Is it possible to replace in terms of functionality a notebook with some smatphone running meego or similar? Aug 15 21:40:24 lbt: unfortunately no, but I am still poking around a bit longer Aug 15 21:40:40 my needs are: emacs, org-mode, ssh, vcs, various GNU utilities, wifi Aug 15 21:41:04 deselby: yes but Aug 15 21:41:39 lbt: but? Aug 15 21:41:44 an N900 (which does everything you want) has too small a screen/keyb to make emacs nice :( Aug 15 21:42:06 lbt: oh, i will compromise on that Aug 15 21:42:38 * lbt wants someone ..... to do mobile-org-mode in Qt/QML Aug 15 21:42:51 which may be the better answer Aug 15 21:43:33 flailingmonkey: OK ... lessee ... url to your home/proj Aug 15 21:43:43 lbt: besides emacs, will i be able to cross-compile software in my pc? Aug 15 21:43:54 https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Aflailingmonkey%3Aexopc Aug 15 21:44:26 deselby: yes... more easily if it's debian/ubuntu/fedora ... no clue for windows Aug 15 21:44:46 and the OBS has a webui too Aug 15 21:44:51 perhaps i haven't explained what I want to do well Aug 15 21:45:07 isn't that the webui? Aug 15 21:45:33 flailingmonkey: was talking to deselby about cross-compiling ... using the webui Aug 15 21:45:40 ohh yes Aug 15 21:46:05 flailingmonkey: url for the core meego target project Aug 15 21:47:09 i originally was looking at the one in devel:kernel, but I think this might be better? http://build.meego.com/package/show?package=kernel-adaptation-pinetrail&project=MeeGo%3A1.2%3Aoss Aug 15 21:49:25 lbt: is gcc supported? I have some money to spend and i am considering to purchase a n900 (or n9) instead of a notebook. is there any cons besides the display and keyboard size? Aug 15 21:50:03 deselby: everything is built with gcc Aug 15 21:50:31 flailingmonkey: :) Aug 15 21:51:42 intel has this AppUp SDK for MeeGo which also includes their compilers free, and some optimization and tuning products too Aug 15 21:54:14 flailingmonkey: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Aflailingmonkey%3Aexopc Aug 15 21:54:50 I just added the stock MeeGo:1.2 build target (since that's what MeeGo:1.2:oss essentially is) Aug 15 21:54:52 so did that require someone with an account on the core OBS, or just command line stuff Aug 15 21:55:05 yeah, that's the one i'd be using too Aug 15 21:55:06 no.. just clicking the right buttons :) Aug 15 21:55:38 really? damn... any explanation of that would be super helpful Aug 15 21:55:52 I just happen to be admin which is how I can hack on your proj :) Aug 15 21:56:21 yup yup Aug 15 21:56:29 when you build a pkg you need to get some build dependencies (gcc, ncurses, -dev libs) Aug 15 21:56:49 so the 'repo' or target is "where do I get the deps from" Aug 15 21:57:18 so if you get deps from MeeGo:1.2 you build a MeeGo pkg... get them from Suse:11.4 and you build a suse pkg Aug 15 21:57:33 so 'add repository' lets you pick Aug 15 21:57:54 go here : https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=home%3Aflailingmonkey%3Aexopc Aug 15 21:58:06 mhm Aug 15 21:58:07 click add repo Aug 15 21:58:15 and you see which I picked for you Aug 15 21:58:20 I actually had added the MeeGo 1.2 repo from that check box Aug 15 21:58:28 so that shoulda worked Aug 15 21:58:41 but then didn't know how to get the kernel-adaptation-pinetrail package i was looking for Aug 15 21:58:43 i was trying to use the Aug 15 21:59:04 "Create new package based on existing package" link Aug 15 21:59:06 ah Aug 15 21:59:24 yeah that's a seperate task Aug 15 21:59:36 that is about getting a copy of the source Aug 15 21:59:46 and I thought that I was messing up the repository step, which was why I undid the repo selection Aug 15 22:00:01 which, incidentally, is likely to be built against MeeGo:current Aug 15 22:00:12 but should work for 1.2 Aug 15 22:00:53 but beware... they may have removed/disabled config options that were needed Aug 15 22:01:07 * lbt doesn't track the kernel Aug 15 22:01:19 understood Aug 15 22:02:22 so did you just go to the target package page, "checkout" a copy of the source and commit it as a new package? 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