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May 06 01:59:12 <Rabinath> hi there!
May 06 12:00:19 <caplink811-away> would you change your nichname using /nick, pls
May 06 18:07:23 <Guest5118> hello
May 06 18:07:52 <ByronT> hello
May 06 18:08:36 <Billiamb> I finally worked up the nerve to start setting up my slug, and am having  issues.. is this a place to seek aid? or should I delve back into the yahoo groups archive?
May 06 18:09:59 <ByronT> the wiki is easier to search
May 06 18:10:05 <ByronT> but you can certainly ask here
May 06 18:11:55 <Billiamb> well, i was able to change the firmware, and it is now unslung.. I can connect, and log into the NSLU2, but, when I try to format the 160 gig HD I have attached, I get time outs
May 06 18:12:01 <Billiamb> then, the slug is not responsive
May 06 18:12:13 <Billiamb> no longer pingable
May 06 18:12:27 <Billiamb> I can reboot it, and it will be available for a short period, before disappearing
May 06 18:12:39 <barrym> Hey gang, has anyone tried using the new adduser tool?
May 06 18:13:34 <barrym> Users created don't seem to have passwords working after a reboot...  just wondering if anyone else is seeing the same problem.
May 06 18:14:58 <ByronT> Billiamb, it's usually easier to format with the Linksys interface first (that way you know if your chipset is going to work with the device)
May 06 18:15:19 <ByronT> that said, it shouldn't fail
May 06 18:16:35 <ByronT> where are you getting time outs?
May 06 18:16:52 <ByronT> barrym, you might want to raise a slugbug
May 06 18:17:25 <barrym> ByronT, yeah it's a pretty new package so not likely debugged yet.
May 06 18:18:06 <barrym> Billiamb, can you configure the drive to appear as a 128 Mb drive?  Perhaps your HD adapter doesn't like drivers > 128 Mb.
May 06 18:18:17 <Billiamb> when I open 192.168.1.77 in IE, it allows me to connect at first.. seems fine, I navigate for a short bit, then it becomes non-responsive.. giving time outs.. Currently, I chose Administration, then Disk, .. then I chose Format Disk1, and it died
May 06 18:18:24 <ByronT> they try to have them working before releasing them - in fact, it might already have a slugbug about the issue
May 06 18:18:31 <Billiamb> Mb? or Gb?
May 06 18:18:38 <barrym> Sorry, gb.
May 06 18:18:39 <ByronT> explain "it died"
May 06 18:19:02 <Billiamb> well, visually, it looks ok, but it is not pingable, and IE reports a time out when connecting to the IP
May 06 18:19:55 <ByronT> how long did you wait (I know my formats always took forever)
May 06 18:20:37 <ByronT> and have you tried deleting the partitions on another box and then re-try formatting in web interface
May 06 18:20:46 <barrym> With some older BIOSes, I have seem them not able to address drives > 128 Gb and in order to make them work I've had to pull a jumper on the HD itself to make only the first 128 Gb available.
May 06 18:21:01 <Billiamb> Is it formatting tho? The HD light is not blinking, just steady green, meaning it's on, and the slug is no longer pingable.. would it no longer be pingable if it were formatting?
May 06 18:21:32 <Billiamb> Also, the drive is brand new, out the box. a seagate.. I could try putting a fresh format if you think it'd help
May 06 18:22:25 <ByronT> it might already have a protected partition on it
May 06 18:22:50 <ByronT> that's why you could hook it up to a windows box and make sure it has no partitions on it
May 06 18:22:56 <ByronT> and then retry the formatting
May 06 18:23:01 <barrym> Wow, that's annoying.  Z-order in Mozilla gets messed up with this Java client.
May 06 18:23:19 <Billiamb> i see, ok, easy task to move and reformat. now, should I format at 128Gb instead of the full 160
May 06 18:23:23 <Billiamb> ?
May 06 18:23:35 <ByronT> however, I am unsure if the formatting has any visible indicators on the NSLU2
May 06 18:23:47 <ByronT> no just use Disk Manager to REMOVE all partitions
May 06 18:24:00 <ByronT> so that it shows as free space
May 06 18:24:33 <barrym> Yeah, don't try the 128 Gb stuff unless it still doesn't work.
May 06 18:24:34 <Billiamb> aahhh, ok. will do
May 06 18:24:41 <Billiamb> good deal
May 06 18:28:11 <Billiamb> ByronT, you know what? I pulled the usb cable, and it is still not working..doing the same thing.. works at first, within 30-60 seconds, stops responding
May 06 18:28:53 <Billiamb> wait, scratch that,.. hmm, it's back now
May 06 18:30:17 <ByronT> I'm not surprised about the pauses....
May 06 18:30:32 <ByronT> it could be a flaky hd controller chipset
May 06 18:31:19 <Billiamb> in the slug?
May 06 18:32:06 <barrym> No, your IDE <> USB adapter.
May 06 18:32:13 <ByronT> what he said
May 06 18:32:40 <Billiamb> ah, ok, within the enclosure
May 06 18:32:49 <NAiL> exactly
May 06 18:32:58 <NAiL> What kinda enclosure is it?
May 06 18:33:12 <Billiamb> generic no name
May 06 18:33:23 <ByronT> bytecc?
May 06 18:33:27 <barrym> Any chipset visible on the board?
May 06 18:33:40 <ByronT> though I haven't had a problem with any byteccs
May 06 18:34:20 <barrym> My notebook HD is running an ALI one and it's been fine.
May 06 18:35:14 <Billiamb> i'll check.. but, it seems to be formatting now... rebooted again, and navigated to the format menu, and started it.. HD light is flickering, but slug is no longer pingable.. should i no longer be able to ping during format?
May 06 18:35:32 <ByronT> well, it is busy....
May 06 18:35:53 <Billiamb> touche
May 06 18:36:08 <Billiamb> and pinging now
May 06 18:36:13 <ByronT> not trying to accumulate any points....
May 06 18:37:38 <Billiamb> PA-921 rev 1.1 
May 06 19:10:40 <barrym> ByronT, how did you make out?  Working?
May 06 19:11:05 <barrym> Sorry, should be Billiamb....
May 06 19:11:22 <ByronT> yeah, I already have 4 happy slugs
May 06 19:13:24 <Guest5391> heh, no good here, I just realized that I don't have telnet started, and will need to do the quickconnect trick, trying to get into redboot for that 1 second while the slug boots up
May 06 19:13:27 <Guest5391> is that correct?
May 06 19:14:20 <barrym> billiamb2, so it's dying during the format still?
May 06 19:14:59 <billiamb2> no, it appears to have formatted fine..but, will stop being pingable intermittenly
May 06 19:15:31 <billiamb2> I have another enclosure, I will try that one instead.. 
May 06 19:15:32 <barrym> Odd.
May 06 19:15:51 <barrym> Are you 100 Mb or 10 Mb?
May 06 19:16:04 <barrym> on Ethernet, that is.
May 06 19:16:20 <billiamb2> 100Mb
May 06 19:16:35 <barrym> OK, same here.
May 06 19:17:14 <billiamb2> I also tried installing wiki, but am having all sorts of issues getting that going..
May 06 19:17:45 <barrym> Haven't tried that one myself....
May 06 19:20:00 <billiamb2> hehe, it's no fun
May 06 19:22:26 <billiamb> tell me tho, how do I set up an iTunes server? I need to have telnet running on the slug, right? and that isn't enabled by default?
May 06 19:23:34 <ByronT> one sec
May 06 19:23:44 <barrym> Correct.  The best method is to enable Telnet one time, then install an SSH server on the slug.  Once you get SSH working, you don't need to worry about Telnet anymore.
May 06 19:24:00 <barrym> Using Windows?
May 06 19:24:09 <ByronT> then ipkg install mt-daapd for the iTunes server
May 06 19:24:31 <billiamb> I am
May 06 19:24:40 <billiamb> but, a 192.168.1.x network
May 06 19:24:47 <barrym> If you're using Windows, the best SSH-capable client is PuTTY.
May 06 19:24:55 <barrym> It supports Telnet as well as SSH.
May 06 19:25:01 <billiamb> PuTTY? I'll grab that now
May 06 19:25:05 <barrym> That's what I'm running.
May 06 19:25:13 <ByronT> PuTTy is very nice
May 06 19:25:19 <NAiL> putty is brilliant
May 06 19:25:24 <NAiL> Been using it for years
May 06 19:27:11 <NAiL> It's so brilliant google lists it's download page first when you search for putty
May 06 19:27:37 <billiamb> ok, I've got PuTTY, and I have a linux laptop setup(SuSE, I am quite novice with Linux!), which I will attach to a hub with the SLUG, and try to get into Telnet, correct? Once in, how do Install SSH?
May 06 19:27:54 <barrym> SSH is just a secure version of Telnet.  I've hacked away at the Wiki instructions for it, so it should be pretty easy to figure out how to get it to work.
May 06 19:28:08 <barrym> It's all in the HowTo section of the Wiki.
May 06 19:28:44 <barrym> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/UseOpenSSHForRemoteAccess
May 06 19:28:48 <billiamb> heh, my other problem.. how do I use Wiki?? it seems to want to be on a server of some sort
May 06 19:30:05 <barrym> Haven't tried it myself.  You've got Apache working?
May 06 19:30:22 <billiamb> great, I'll try these commands.. telnet understands "# ipkg update"
May 06 19:30:24 <billiamb> ?
May 06 19:30:49 <billiamb> I don't have Apache working, but will if need be
May 06 19:31:42 <barrym> All of the installation instructions are at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/MediaWiki
May 06 19:33:36 <billiamb> very good, I've book marked those instructions, but they assume I am able to install services on the slug, which, right now I can't.. so, I'm trying to get the telnet up, for starters
May 06 19:34:46 <barrym> Right.  So you've gone to the Telnet activation page on your slug?
May 06 19:35:10 <billiamb> no.. is there one? let me check
May 06 19:36:16 <barrym> Before we go too far, have you applied the Unslung firmware to the unit?
May 06 19:37:27 <billiamb> Yes, I did that
May 06 19:37:58 <billiamb> Firmware Version:  V2.3R25-uNSLUng-standard-3.18-beta
May 06 19:38:23 <barrym> OK, so you should be able to follow the Unslung readme at this point to do the Telnet activation.
May 06 19:38:32 <ByronT> my readme... :)
May 06 19:39:12 <barrym> And, of course, make sure to follow the steps on when to plug in the hard drive.
May 06 19:39:39 <billiamb> ok, going back to it
May 06 19:41:10 <ByronT> yeah
May 06 19:41:32 <ByronT> that whole bit of when to plug and unplug is what got me working on the README in the first place
May 06 19:42:41 <barrym> The only thing I wish Unslung would do is stop you from running ipkg without an unslung HD present.  That's what screwed me on my first attempt getting the firmware working.
May 06 19:42:48 <billiamb> oh, so.. ya, I was a bit confused.. I have a brand new HD... I just now formatted it with the slug (uNSLUng at that point), and now need to detach, and enable telnet, correct?
May 06 19:42:57 <barrym> Yep.
May 06 19:43:30 <barrym> Turn it off, disconnect the drive, and follow along with the instructions.
May 06 19:43:46 <ByronT> barrym, it's just a matter of space
May 06 19:43:57 <barrym> True.
May 06 19:44:11 <ByronT> the NSLU2 doesn't have a lot of space to begin with
May 06 19:44:30 <billiamb> I'm in =)
May 06 19:44:43 <barrym> Oh, I know.  I got to learn very quickly the recovery process from a bad flash that way.  :-)
May 06 19:45:24 * NAiL hasn't done that mistake. Yet :P
May 06 19:46:10 <barrym> Needless to say, the Wiki got clarified a bit after that.  :-)
May 06 19:46:56 <barrym> (but wasn't really that bad)
May 06 19:47:32 <ByronT> funny enough, I never need to recover from a bad flash
May 06 19:47:40 <ByronT> but when I started playing with OpenSlug....
May 06 19:48:21 <NAiL> I've never had to recover from badflash
May 06 19:49:04 <barrym> Is OpenSlug any slower / faster than Unslung?  I've read about the 133/266 issues and was wondering if it really was an issue or not.
May 06 19:50:46 <billiamb> OK, I clicked enable, on the telnet page, and it thought about it.. then finally timed out... I rebooted the slug, and it is still not pingable.. has anyone ever seen that issue? where it stops responding?
May 06 19:51:00 <ByronT> OpenSlug is a screamer
May 06 19:51:17 <ByronT> simply because it only has what you load onto it
May 06 19:52:04 <billiamb> for a moment, I can telnet to the slug, it asks for the password, then I get dumped "connection to host lost"
May 06 19:52:22 <barrym> Is this with or without the hd connected?
May 06 19:54:49 <billiamb> without
May 06 19:55:22 <barrym> Is there anything else on your network?
May 06 19:55:23 <billiamb> well, I rebooted again, and was able to telnet in, plug in the HD, unsling it, and reboot...so, we're getting there, it's just acting tempramental..
May 06 19:56:01 <billiamb> yes, I have a wired/wireless network, with 2 pc's, a tivo, a printer currently on.
May 06 19:58:30 <barrym> If you use a fixed IP address, you could potentially plug directly into the slug to see if it's the slug acting up or something else on the network interferring.
May 06 19:59:39 <billiamb> plug USB or network cable?
May 06 19:59:46 <NAiL> net
May 06 20:00:40 <billiamb> ok, I don't have a crossover cable. is that necessary?
May 06 20:01:03 <billiamb> I can use a hub to do the crossover, is that sufficient?
May 06 20:01:35 <NAiL> preferrable a crossover cable. You don't have a cable you can sacrifice? ;)
May 06 20:01:54 <billiamb> heh, I don't have the crimper here to do the deed
May 06 20:02:16 <barrym> Most NICs can do auto-negotiaion now...  I've used a 10 Mb hub to talk to my Slug when I was re-flashing it.
May 06 20:02:22 <NAiL> You can just cut the cable somewhere and switch pairs. I've done that a few times when in desperate need ;)
May 06 20:03:13 <NAiL> Otherwise, if you live nearby, you could borrow my crimper. But I doubt you're near ;)
May 06 20:03:29 <NAiL> augh. No. Must... get... fleep
May 06 20:03:46 <billiamb> lol
May 06 20:03:53 <billiamb> westchester, NY
May 06 20:03:58 * NAiL tilts the chair backwards and falls into bed
May 06 20:04:02 <NAiL> Trondheim, Norway
May 06 20:04:20 <NAiL> And the sun is up already, I see... damn.. I comes in through my window :(
May 06 20:04:24 <barrym> Go to bed NAil!
May 06 20:04:26 <billiamb> hehe
May 06 20:04:38 * NAiL listens to barrym
May 06 20:04:41 <NAiL> nite all
May 06 20:04:54 <billiamb> take care,NAil!
May 06 20:22:22 <billiam2> When telnet'ing, with only a laptop and the slug on a network together, I get the error "could not open connection to the host, on port 23: connect failed".. what port should I use?
May 06 20:23:23 <ByronT> did you enable telnet?
May 06 20:23:44 <ByronT> remember, telnet is not auto enabled....
May 06 20:24:18 <billiam2> yes, I did.. but, it's disabled again..
May 06 20:24:28 <billiam2> why does that happen? unplugging disables it again?
May 06 20:24:51 <ByronT> on a reboot, telnet is not auto-enabled
May 06 20:25:09 <ByronT> just do the ipkg install dropbear (for ssh access)
May 06 20:25:18 <billiam2> ok, doing that now
May 06 20:25:19 <ByronT> and you won't have to re-enable telnet again
May 06 20:26:46 <billiam2> only issue is, need to update ipkg before able to install dropbear, and, when I have net access to the slug, it freezes.. is it because I didn't have dns settings plugged in? I added them now
May 06 20:27:56 <ByronT> yeah, if you don't have DNS, you can't ipkg update or install
May 06 20:28:08 <ByronT> with that set, you simply ipkg update
May 06 20:30:06 <billiam2> hmm, as soon as I connect the hub (with slug and a laptop) to the rest of my network, I lose connection in telnet, then, I can telnet in, and it connects, then loses connection again.. same issue as before
May 06 20:30:22 <ByronT> what kind of hub?
May 06 20:30:55 <billiam2> linksys
May 06 20:31:03 <billiam2> but
May 06 20:31:14 <billiam2> I had the slug plugged into the wireless router as well, and had issue
May 06 20:31:19 <ByronT> 10MB or what?
May 06 20:31:33 <billiam2> 100Mb
May 06 20:31:49 <ByronT> those issues sound like the 10MB issue
May 06 20:32:14 <billiam2> oh really?
May 06 20:32:43 <billiam2> ok, let me take a closer look.. there are 10Mb issues? would it affect the slug, if it were just on the wirelesshub, which is 100mb?
May 06 20:33:19 <barrym> And yet I never had problems when I was linking into my 10 Mb hub...  wonder if it's a duplex issue or something...
May 06 20:33:56 <barrym> Anyway, they would probably go away with the 100 mb wireless hub... 
May 06 20:34:50 <billiam2> I have the http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=6 - 100MB
May 06 20:36:18 <billiam2> It is not set to 802.11g Only mode..but I thought that only referred to wireless networking..
May 06 20:40:12 <billiamb> I hardcoded the router to 100, and it seems to make a difference, thanks a lot, Barry!
May 06 20:51:25 <billiamb> ok, Now, I fail when downloading using 'ipkg update'
May 06 22:13:19 <travis> hello
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