**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 31 23:59:56 2005
Jun 01 10:22:16 <hasse> I'm still having trouble getting my slug to recognize a disk that I want to unsling to. If I boot with the disk installed it shows up fine. It's an old 10G Fujitsu in a Q-Tec box.
Jun 01 10:29:57 <BioK> hasse, you mean when you power up the slug with the disk attached you can use it and when you boot without disk attached then logged in root and attaching the disk it wont get reconized ?
Jun 01 10:30:27 <hasse> If I boot with the disk installed, it shows up in the web gui as "Not formated".
Jun 01 10:30:49 <hasse> If I boot up without the disk, enable telnet, login as root, and attach the disk, it doesn't show up.
Jun 01 10:31:07 <BioK> ok did you ever formated it first ?
Jun 01 10:31:12 <hasse> I've tried formatting it from the web gui and then repeating, but it doesn't make any difference.
Jun 01 10:31:17 <hasse> It formats OK, though.
Jun 01 10:31:40 <hasse> The README talks about "now is the time to format", but doesn't mention how, BTW.
Jun 01 10:32:00 <BioK> with the web interface
Jun 01 10:32:23 <BioK> you tried to connect it on the other usb port ?
Jun 01 10:32:29 <hasse> I guessed so, but as I said it doesn't work since I can't see it.
Jun 01 10:32:34 <hasse> I've tried the other port. 
Jun 01 10:32:48 <hasse> And I've tried a couple of other disks of approximately the same age and size.
Jun 01 10:33:21 <BioK> humm
Jun 01 10:34:46 <hasse> The slug I have has worked OK before. A friend used it before without problems. Now I want to connect my disk and unsling that, but I can't quite get that far...
Jun 01 10:35:22 <BioK> is the same slug that your friend used ?
Jun 01 10:35:26 <hasse> Yep.
Jun 01 10:35:31 <BioK> did you tried to flash over ?
Jun 01 10:35:40 <hasse> No. 
Jun 01 10:36:07 <hasse> I've done all the steps in the README up to formatting the disk except for the actual flashing, since it was already flashed.
Jun 01 10:36:58 <BioK> oh my well i can't really help on that maybe caplink or glc
Jun 01 10:37:01 <BioK> can 
Jun 01 10:37:24 * hasse waits for caplink811_away or glc.
Jun 01 10:54:52 <moodydude> hi
Jun 01 10:56:04 <moodydude> can you run a web server on a nslu2 which has apache php and my sql
Jun 01 10:56:19 <moodydude> <brb> lunch
Jun 01 11:08:45 <moodydude> hi
Jun 01 11:09:10 <caplink811_away> hasse: just a moment pls
Jun 01 11:09:14 <moodydude> o ok
Jun 01 11:09:17 <moodydude> sorry
Jun 01 11:09:18 <caplink811_away> moodydude: http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org/result.php?query=apache&searchtype=description&section=
Jun 01 11:09:26 <moodydude> thanks
Jun 01 11:09:29 <caplink811_away> http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org/result.php?query=mysql&searchtype=description&section=
Jun 01 11:09:45 <moodydude> never saw the search function :P
Jun 01 11:09:59 <caplink811_away> hasse: ping
Jun 01 11:10:30 <caplink811_away> moodydude: ipkg update, ipkg list should show you the same packages
Jun 01 11:12:07 <moodydude> o ok thank you
Jun 01 11:13:44 <moodydude> would it be safe too use a nslu2 as a webserver and a private firewall at the same time or would this pose security issues
Jun 01 11:15:56 <caplink811_away> if you exposed a system with an apache on it, then you get the problems which apache may have, this can find out at www.apache.org
Jun 01 11:23:35 <moodydude> ok thanks
Jun 01 11:33:04 <BioK> damn power outage lol
Jun 01 11:33:14 <BioK> moodydude yes you can run php cgi apache
Jun 01 11:36:04 <caplink811_away> hasse: ping
Jun 01 11:36:23 <BioK> sup caplink811
Jun 01 11:36:40 <caplink811> morning BioK 
Jun 01 11:37:16 <BioK> humm morning ? 2h30 pm
Jun 01 11:37:26 <BioK> you should just woke up or your oversea lol
Jun 01 11:37:44 <BioK> 20h and woke up! woah! :)
Jun 01 11:37:48 <caplink811> morning in ugt (universal greeting time), 20:30 here in germany
Jun 01 11:38:04 <BioK> ok hehe :)
Jun 01 11:58:21 <caplink811> hasse: ping
Jun 01 12:05:13 <hasse> pong
Jun 01 12:05:47 <caplink811> morning, just for my understanding, your slug is at firmware unslung anything?
Jun 01 12:06:30 <hasse> Yes. I don't remember the exact version offhand (a friend did the flashing), but 4.x something recent.
Jun 01 12:06:49 <hasse> I have a root shell here, if I can get it from there.
Jun 01 12:07:13 <hasse> 	          V2.3R25-uNSLUng-4.20-beta
Jun 01 12:07:19 <caplink811> ok, according to my qusetion yesterday, which type of enclosure you use? 
Jun 01 12:07:41 <hasse> Q-Tec
Jun 01 12:08:27 <hasse> http://www.dustinhome.se/dacsaportal/system/pages/products/wf_show_product_detail.aspx?ProdID=5010077669
Jun 01 12:08:39 <caplink811> are there any problems reported with that kind of case at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/ListsOfDriveEnclosuresChipsetsAndDriveCombinationsThatWork
Jun 01 12:08:42 <caplink811> ?
Jun 01 12:10:17 <hasse> Seems I need a Yahoo account to read that...
Jun 01 12:11:53 <caplink811> k, only found one report for q-tec, with a 2.5"hd, this worked well
Jun 01 12:12:23 <hasse> I'm getting there, I just need to dredge up my account details and join and so...
Jun 01 12:13:37 <hasse> That's not the exact one (mine is 3.5"), but at least it doesn't say "No". My friend who flashed the unit used the same enclosure, though.
Jun 01 12:14:17 <caplink811> my swedish is much more worse then my english, but the box has a seperate power supply?
Jun 01 12:14:23 <hasse> Yep.
Jun 01 12:14:54 <hasse> I'm impressed if non-Swedes understand *any* Swedish.
Jun 01 12:15:06 <caplink811> the hd is jumpered as master?
Jun 01 12:15:29 <caplink811> ;-) didn't understand any word at the page
Jun 01 12:15:56 <BioK> caplink811, Ihr englisch ist sich sorgt nicht um es: ziemlich wohl
Jun 01 12:15:57 <BioK> :P
Jun 01 12:15:57 <caplink811> ah, kabel is kabel in german too ;-)
Jun 01 12:16:15 <caplink811> BioK: autsch , babelfish?
Jun 01 12:16:20 <BioK> ja
Jun 01 12:16:22 <BioK> haha
Jun 01 12:16:25 <caplink811> :-)
Jun 01 12:16:42 <BioK> i admit that was quite bad :P
Jun 01 12:18:07 <hasse> Yes, master. I have tried CS as well.
Jun 01 12:19:01 <BioK> hasse, so if i understand correctly this enclosure worked fine with this slug unit and nothing was changed and now isnt working anymore i mean without any change ?
Jun 01 12:19:03 * caplink811 reads the logs from yesterday
Jun 01 12:19:13 <BioK> or you did something then is not working ?
Jun 01 12:19:47 <hasse> The disk is different.
Jun 01 12:20:37 <BioK> wihtout trying to unsling it you can access the file folder via network ?
Jun 01 12:21:28 <BioK> abd the other disk you tried in this enclosure does the same thing ??
Jun 01 12:22:22 <BioK> s/abd/and
Jun 01 12:22:49 <caplink811> hasse: whats in /proc/scsi?
Jun 01 12:23:09 <caplink811> hasse: with attached, "not installed" disk
Jun 01 12:36:01 <Wolf_HFS> hi
Jun 01 12:36:06 <caplink811> morning
Jun 01 12:37:10 <Wolf_HFS> I'm using uNSLUng 4.20-beta an have accedently deleted a file from /etc/rc.d/. Is there a tarball out there where the filesystem is on?
Jun 01 12:37:44 <caplink811> which file?
Jun 01 12:37:56 <Wolf_HFS> rc.thttpd
Jun 01 12:38:04 <Wolf_HFS> so no webinterface :(
Jun 01 12:38:23 <caplink811> unsling to disk 1?
Jun 01 12:38:28 <Wolf_HFS> yes
Jun 01 12:38:55 <caplink811> [root@linus rc.d]$ cat rc.thttpd
Jun 01 12:38:55 <caplink811> #!/bin/sh
Jun 01 12:38:55 <caplink811> if (  [ ! -f /.sda1root ] && [ -f /mnt/sda1/unslung/rc.thttpd ] && . /mnt/sda1/unslung/rc.thttpd ) ; then return 0 ; fi
Jun 01 12:38:55 <caplink811> if (  [ ! -f /.sda2root ] && [ -f /mnt/sda2/unslung/rc.thttpd ] && . /mnt/sda2/unslung/rc.thttpd ) ; then return 0 ; fi
Jun 01 12:38:56 <caplink811> if (  [ ! -f /.sdb1root ] && [ -f /mnt/sdb1/unslung/rc.thttpd ] && . /mnt/sdb1/unslung/rc.thttpd ) ; then return 0 ; fi
Jun 01 12:39:01 <caplink811> if (  [ ! -f /.sdb2root ] && [ -f /mnt/sdb2/unslung/rc.thttpd ] && . /mnt/sdb2/unslung/rc.thttpd ) ; then return 0 ; fi
Jun 01 12:39:04 <caplink811> if ( [ -f /unslung/rc.thttpd          ] && . /unslung/rc.thttpd          ) ; then return 0 ; fi
Jun 01 12:39:06 <caplink811> if [ -n "`pidof thttpd`" ] ;then
Jun 01 12:39:08 <caplink811>         /bin/killall thttpd 2>/dev/null
Jun 01 12:39:10 <caplink811> fi
Jun 01 12:39:16 <caplink811> sleep 2
Jun 01 12:39:18 <caplink811> /usr/sbin/thttpd -C /etc/thttpd.conf; check_status
Jun 01 12:39:30 <Wolf_HFS> thanks man :)
Jun 01 12:39:36 <caplink811> gern geschehen
Jun 01 12:39:49 <Wolf_HFS> oh. a german fellow ;)
Jun 01 12:39:52 <Wolf_HFS> Hallo
Jun 01 12:40:08 <caplink811> same country, same provider ;-)
Jun 01 12:40:16 <Wolf_HFS> lol
Jun 01 12:42:08 <caplink811> you know www.nslu2-info.de (just a little advertisement)
Jun 01 12:42:57 <Wolf_HFS> no. not yet
Jun 01 12:43:35 <hasse> caplink811: I'll answer shortly, I'll just try Yet Another Disk.
Jun 01 12:43:47 <caplink811> hasse: k
Jun 01 12:46:37 <hasse> caplink811: With the new disk (Seagate 200G) everything appears to "work" as before...
Jun 01 12:46:45 <hasse> # ls /proc/scsi
Jun 01 12:46:45 <hasse> scsi            usb-storage-1
Jun 01 12:47:12 <caplink811> as before - means everything went fine, or means everything is bad as before?
Jun 01 12:47:27 <hasse> Disk not appearing, as before.
Jun 01 12:47:28 <BioK> before everything goes bad :P
Jun 01 12:48:31 <caplink811> hm, what chip set your enclosure use? cat usb-storage/1 the line with vendor
Jun 01 12:49:22 <hasse>        Vendor: Unknown
Jun 01 12:49:46 <BioK> i know this compagny they do alot of device!
Jun 01 12:50:16 <Wolf_HFS> caplink811: thanks for the file. now everything is working again :)
Jun 01 12:50:46 <caplink811> Wolf_HFS: fine, you should have a look at the forum, nice little resource in native language
Jun 01 12:51:35 <Wolf_HFS> I've no problem with english resources ;)
Jun 01 12:51:44 <Wolf_HFS> But I'll give it a rtry
Jun 01 12:52:57 <hasse> caplink811: I assume that "Unknown" doesn't help much... 
Jun 01 12:53:04 <caplink811> nope ;-)
Jun 01 12:53:35 <hasse> So what now?
Jun 01 12:53:40 <Wolf_HFS> does anybody knows of a little tool which let's me access (read/write) my ext3-partion on my USB-drive on Windows?
Jun 01 12:53:41 <caplink811> imho that's an extract from /proc/bus/usb/devices
Jun 01 12:53:42 <hasse> Would it help me to reflash?
Jun 01 12:54:26 <caplink811> Wolf_HFS: yes, just one moment, it's at www.nslu2-info.de, will search for that topic
Jun 01 12:54:38 <Wolf_HFS> hasse: I don't think so. It's a driver problem I would guess. So the kernel (including the drivers) won't change on a re-flash
Jun 01 12:55:04 <Wolf_HFS> caplink811: ok. You got me. I'll register :)
Jun 01 12:55:05 <caplink811> hasse: i think no, imho you've a problem with the combination disk/enclosure
Jun 01 12:55:09 <hasse> Mhm... 
Jun 01 12:55:31 <hasse> I've tried four or five different disks of three different manufacturers.
Jun 01 12:56:08 <BioK> Wolf_HFS, you dont need it
Jun 01 12:56:44 <BioK> Wolf_HFS, well your slug is still SMB or you changed system for nsf ? :)
Jun 01 12:56:44 * hasse tries to find out what type of disk was used last time.
Jun 01 12:56:52 <caplink811> Wolf_HFS: http://www.fs-driver.org/download.html
Jun 01 12:57:25 <caplink811> Wolf_HFS: Ext2FS.Anywhere.v3.0 produced by Paragon
Jun 01 12:57:26 <BioK> caplink811 you knew you can do it without that. just doing \\192.x.x.x slug ip :P
Jun 01 12:57:42 <BioK> you will browse you whole slug file via SMB
Jun 01 12:57:58 <BioK> as admin rw of course ;)
Jun 01 12:58:03 <caplink811> yeah
Jun 01 12:58:06 <Wolf_HFS> But the partitons are ext3 not ext2
Jun 01 12:58:30 <BioK> Wolf_HFS you still see it and can work on editing etc
Jun 01 12:58:31 <Wolf_HFS> reading would work. But I want to write too. So the driver need's to support ext3 too
Jun 01 12:58:50 <caplink811> Wolf_HFS: the forum said, it does what the users want, myself never try that, it's much easier to boot knoppix
Jun 01 12:59:02 <Wolf_HFS> :)
Jun 01 12:59:08 <caplink811> BioK: my preferd way is ssh and scp
Jun 01 12:59:17 <Wolf_HFS> but that's slow
Jun 01 12:59:22 <caplink811> s/preferd/prefered
Jun 01 13:01:51 <BioK> ok well i do the  knoppix way since i change it to nsf lol
Jun 01 13:07:59 <BioK> humm i got a great question over here
Jun 01 13:08:22 <caplink811> questions, questions, whats about solutions ;-)
Jun 01 13:08:53 <BioK> since slug doenst work with usb-hub does it will work if i take an ide-to-usb then attach two drive on a classic ide cable and connect this cable to the ide to usb then on slug
Jun 01 13:09:14 <BioK> yeah hehe but to get solution we have to give a try but to give a try we need money :P
Jun 01 13:09:31 <BioK> so question sometime give awnser cause someone more rich that you alrealy tried haha
Jun 01 13:09:45 <caplink811> 1st, slug works with an usb hub
Jun 01 13:10:15 <BioK> really damn then i should does something wrong gonna retry it
Jun 01 13:10:19 <caplink811> 2nd you couldn't attach more than 2 drives, cause the driver will not accept more than 2 (unslung)
Jun 01 13:10:36 <BioK> oh! Ok
Jun 01 13:10:55 <caplink811> the slug only knows /dev/sda and /dev/sdb
Jun 01 13:11:50 <BioK> humm
Jun 01 13:11:59 <BioK> if i attach a webcam it will count as /dev/sdb ?
Jun 01 13:12:12 <BioK> cause then i will have 2 hdd on disk1 and a webcam on disk2 haha
Jun 01 13:12:30 <caplink811> sorry, means harddisks
Jun 01 13:12:55 <BioK> okay :)
Jun 01 13:13:12 <caplink811> but, ithink, it's possible to use a hub, two hdd's and a cam or a printer, but thats my oppinion
Jun 01 13:13:38 <BioK> who know ;) why not trying i will for sure
Jun 01 13:15:58 <Wolf_HFS> caplink811: is this a hard constraint whit the two disks or are there just the associated files in /dev missing (sd[c-f][1-4])?
Jun 01 13:19:27 <caplink811> Wolf_HFS: imho it's hardcoded in the scsi driver, which is changed by linksys
Jun 01 13:19:46 <caplink811> but openslug would support more than 2 hdd's
Jun 01 13:20:11 <BioK> oh yeah really humm interessing interessing!
Jun 01 13:20:27 <Wolf_HFS> ok
Jun 01 13:20:30 <BioK> let bring the bigest gigabytes ever made :P
Jun 01 13:20:42 <BioK> i need damn space haha
Jun 01 13:21:03 <BioK> stupid cable connection you made downloading all this stuff
Jun 01 13:21:35 <caplink811> being really interested in openslug, but my problem, have only one hdd at hand in the moment, which contains data in it :-(
Jun 01 13:21:51 <hasse> Samma.
Jun 01 13:22:04 <hasse> Sorry, wrong channel.
Jun 01 13:22:09 <caplink811> np
Jun 01 13:23:55 <BioK> caplink811, oh well i know what you talk about :(
Jun 01 13:24:10 <BioK> i should format but no place at this moment to store my data haha
Jun 01 13:25:36 <hasse> OK, now I've tried another Q-tec disk case, just like the previous one. Same result, i.e. nothing. Bah.
Jun 01 13:26:02 <caplink811> it's not a problem of space, but a problem of time, 35gb mp3's, that took some time to copy it :-(
Jun 01 13:26:26 <BioK> well start copy while you sleep :)
Jun 01 13:26:55 <caplink811> hasse: have you a enclosure of an other manufacturer by hand, ideally with an cypress chipset?
Jun 01 13:27:06 <hasse> Unfortunately, no.
Jun 01 13:27:18 <BioK> caplink811 what kind of case use cypress chipset ?
Jun 01 13:27:37 <hasse> The irritating thing is that I got this slug and enclosure from a friend who had no problems with them, only with a different disk in the enclosure.
Jun 01 13:28:08 <caplink811> in my case, its a combination with an icy case (350U) and a samsung 80 gb disk, everything works well
Jun 01 13:28:36 <BioK> ok
Jun 01 13:29:35 <caplink811> it seems to be a general problem with different drive/case combination, which causes problems
Jun 01 13:30:23 <BioK> well give complain on the slug box it say any disk! :P
Jun 01 13:31:01 <hasse> So why can it access it when it's there at boot?
Jun 01 13:31:33 <BioK> oh well forgot that thing .
Jun 01 13:31:39 <BioK> well is weird i dont really know what to say
Jun 01 13:31:58 <caplink811> but rumours in the forums said, there will be problems with big sized maxtors too, but these are recommended by linksys
Jun 01 13:32:41 <BioK> i agree!
Jun 01 13:32:54 <BioK> i had problem with a onetouch 300gb
Jun 01 13:33:01 <hasse> The disk I'm using now is the only one that's "big"; the others are 10-20GB.
Jun 01 13:33:17 <BioK> and when the onetouch is formated by the slug
Jun 01 13:33:38 <BioK> you can't never use the powerful backup button technoligy provided by maxtor! oh well
Jun 01 13:34:01 <caplink811> hm, hasse you're on unslung something at this time? so you can tail -f /var/log/messages to see if something mysterious occurs
Jun 01 13:34:34 * caplink811 feed the cat
Jun 01 13:34:53 <hasse> * sd_attach:1
Jun 01 13:34:53 <hasse> Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
Jun 01 13:34:53 <hasse> SCSI device sdb: 390721968 512-byte hdwr sectors (200050 MB)
Jun 01 13:34:53 <hasse> Partition check:
Jun 01 13:34:53 <hasse>  unknown partition table
Jun 01 13:34:53 <hasse> WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured
Jun 01 13:34:55 <hasse> USB Mass Storage device found at 2
Jun 01 13:35:05 <hasse> Looks good to me.
Jun 01 13:35:19 <Wolf_HFS> looks good :)
Jun 01 13:35:47 <caplink811> if this drive is unformatted, ok, if its formatted, than there may be a problem
Jun 01 13:36:22 <hasse> I just unpacked it from the mail, so it should be unformatted.
Jun 01 13:40:20 <caplink811> hm, in my mail are only outstanding accounts, this day, so its a nice idea to change ;-)
Jun 01 13:40:44 <hasse> Heh. I usually get those as well...
Jun 01 13:41:48 <caplink811> just see, whats on youre usb port 1?
Jun 01 13:42:52 <hasse> Right now, nothing. I just tried with port 2.
Jun 01 13:43:34 <caplink811> k, but before, you've tried it at port 1? yes, i think so..
Jun 01 13:44:05 <hasse> Most of the times, yes.
Jun 01 13:46:44 <hasse> The instructions say "shut down slug", btw. Does it matter whether I use the button on the front or if I pull the cable?
Jun 01 13:47:43 <BioK> well pulling the cable when you will have data is not really recommended haha
Jun 01 13:48:04 <caplink811> dunno, usally myself use /usr/sbin/Do_Reboot
Jun 01 13:48:04 <hasse> Right. That's a later problem, for now...
Jun 01 13:50:05 <BioK> well
Jun 01 13:50:18 <BioK> i would say do you have an usb stick nearby ? :)
Jun 01 13:50:22 * caplink811 went out of ideas at the moment :-(
Jun 01 13:50:54 <hasse> I have a 64MB stick, but that's a bit small to be useful I guess.
Jun 01 13:51:05 <BioK> oh!
Jun 01 13:51:07 <BioK> yeah too small
Jun 01 13:51:09 <caplink811> BioK: thats an nice idea, but should be greater or equal than 256mb
Jun 01 13:51:13 <BioK> need at least 256
Jun 01 13:51:17 <BioK> yeah
Jun 01 13:54:38 <Wolf_HFS> bye folks
Jun 01 13:55:57 <hasse> I'm off to bed now, but if anyone comes up with any kind of tip for me, just poke me and say it. I'll leave this window logged in and check it tomorrow.
Jun 01 13:56:30 <BioK> ok
Jun 01 13:56:30 <BioK> gnite
Jun 01 13:56:51 <caplink811> so, were in the same tz, there may be o idea from me, but gnite too
Jun 01 22:46:43 <hasse> Anybody awake at this hour who has any ideas about why my slug won't detect a disk when it is plugged in after boot (to unsling to), but it will detect it if it is present at boot time?
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