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Aug 01 13:34:42 <Y99> h
Aug 01 13:34:44 <Y99> hi
Aug 01 13:35:07 <Y99> i nedd help
Aug 01 13:43:32 <Y99> help me someone?
Aug 01 13:53:48 <pauld> hello
Aug 01 13:54:03 <pauld> does anyone know if there is a maximum file size for files under unslung5.5?
Aug 01 13:54:24 <pauld> I'm trying to store a large media file and it appears to be there from the windows file manager perspective
Aug 01 13:55:05 <pauld> howver, the onboard linux reports "ls: ./James Bond 007/James Bond 007 20 Die Another Day.VOB: Value too large for defined data type"
Aug 01 13:58:59 <rwhitby> Y22, reflash, unsling, reboot, then check df again and post it here
Aug 01 13:59:25 <pauld> does anyone know if there is a maximum file size for files under unslung5.5?
Aug 01 13:59:48 <Y99> ok rwhitby
Aug 01 14:00:00 <rwhitby> the file is fine, the busybox ls is broken
Aug 01 14:00:13 <rwhitby> please add an FAQ on the wiki
Aug 01 14:00:45 <pauld> rwhitby: was that a response to my question?
Aug 01 14:00:54 <rwhitby> yes
Aug 01 14:00:57 <pauld> thanks
Aug 01 14:01:01 <pauld> another one then :)
Aug 01 14:01:09 <pauld> how do I chmod it - it won't let me
Aug 01 14:01:12 <pauld> I need it as 777
Aug 01 14:01:42 <pauld> chmod give the same error
Aug 01 14:01:53 <rwhitby> hmm - dunno
Aug 01 14:01:58 <rwhitby> need a better ls
Aug 01 14:02:12 <pauld> I wonder.....
Aug 01 14:02:18 <pauld> could I create a small file
Aug 01 14:02:20 <pauld> chmod it
Aug 01 14:02:24 <pauld> and copy the other on top
Aug 01 14:02:30 <pauld> I think that may preserve the file perm
Aug 01 14:02:32 <rwhitby> probably
Aug 01 14:02:36 <pauld> :)
Aug 01 14:02:41 <pauld> will try now
Aug 01 14:02:59 <rwhitby> check your umask too
Aug 01 14:03:45 <pauld> ah yes - forgot about that. it has been a while since I last used unix
Aug 01 14:04:10 <rwhitby> could also set g+s on the dir
Aug 01 14:33:17 <Y99>  i reflash, formatted, unsling, reboot. rwhitby can a send u df output
Aug 01 14:35:56 <ByronT> Y99, what is your df output
Aug 01 14:36:06 <ByronT> just paste it in here
Aug 01 14:36:17 <ByronT> and I can tell you if you're good or not
Aug 01 14:37:17 <Y99> rootfs                78604608     44232  77761788   0% /
Aug 01 14:37:29 <Y99> dev/sda1                 6528      5308      1220  81% /initrd
Aug 01 14:37:44 <Y99> dev/sda1             78604608     44232  77761788   0% /
Aug 01 14:37:58 <Y99> dev/sda1             78604608     44232  77761788   0% /share/hdd/data
Aug 01 14:38:05 <ByronT> you're running rootfs off of your unslung hd
Aug 01 14:38:09 <ByronT> good job
Aug 01 14:38:10 <Y99> dev/sda2               116661      4155    111302   4% /share/hdd/conf
Aug 01 14:38:23 <rwhitby> that looks good
Aug 01 14:38:38 <rwhitby> ipkg update and install now
Aug 01 14:38:49 <Y99> ok, try
Aug 01 14:50:20 <Y99> GREAT WORKS, all work fine!!! thank you
Aug 01 14:55:52 <rwhitby> Y99: what went wrong previously?
Aug 01 14:56:32 <Y99> probably, i not reboot after unsling
Aug 01 14:56:47 <ByronT> that will do it
Aug 01 14:57:23 <rwhitby> how does ipkg become runnable in that situation?
Aug 01 14:57:55 <rwhitby> cause the link is only made on the unslung disk, not the flashfs
Aug 01 14:58:15 <rwhitby> so you should not physically able to run ipkg until after the reboot
Aug 01 14:58:49 <Y99> i have installed apache-php, now, no problem
Aug 01 14:59:45 <Y99> i want share photo album for may familiar
Aug 01 15:00:42 <rwhitby> Y99: how did you run ipkg before without rebooting?
Aug 01 15:01:02 <rwhitby> we need to know what the failure mechanism is
Aug 01 15:01:36 <Y99> yes, i run ipkg before rebooting
Aug 01 15:02:45 <Y99> i have run unsling and after ipkg without rebooting
Aug 01 15:03:28 <ByronT> Y99, rwhitby is asking *how* did you run ipkg after unslinging
Aug 01 15:04:21 <ByronT> did you cd /share/hdd/data/opt ? how did you get ipkg to run?
Aug 01 15:04:22 <rwhitby> Y99: we have set it up specifically to prevent that case, and I'm wondering how you got around that intentional error.
Aug 01 15:05:44 <rwhitby> ... intentional restriction of ipkg not being on the path until after you reboot
Aug 01 15:06:53 <rwhitby> Y99?
Aug 01 15:07:27 <Y99> sorry for my english, i reading and translate your message
Aug 01 15:08:21 <Y99> after unsling i create a symlink whith ipkg-cl
Aug 01 15:08:52 <ByronT> oof... the mailing list post that gave instructions on how to get ipkg working.....
Aug 01 15:09:24 <rwhitby> right.  that post is going to cause no end of troubles :-(
Aug 01 15:09:55 <rwhitby> Y99: thanks - we know about that one, and you did nothing wrong - the post you were following was wrong.
Aug 01 15:10:28 <philipjohnson> rwhitby: which post is this?
Aug 01 15:11:20 <ByronT> the one where someone who had broken their ipkg link and they were given directions on how to restore the link
Aug 01 15:12:08 <ByronT> in this case, it enabled someone who shouldn't have been able to run ipkg (until after the reboot post unslinging) to fill their flash
Aug 01 15:14:06 <Y99> sorry, but i'm very newbie, i have buy a nslu2, 4 day ago 
Aug 01 15:14:39 <rwhitby> Y99: no need to be sorry.  it was not your fault.
Aug 01 15:14:41 <ByronT> it's ok
Aug 01 15:14:56 <rwhitby> philipjohnson: I've sent a post to nslu2-general to correct the misinformation.
Aug 01 15:15:15 <ByronT> rwhitby, what about renaming ipkg until after reboot?
Aug 01 15:15:33 <philipjohnson> ta.
Aug 01 15:16:10 <rwhitby> ByronT: we can't protect people from running ln -s on incorrect advice.
Aug 01 15:17:53 <ByronT> so README gets a "REBOOT!!!!! Now" addition? :)
Aug 01 15:18:23 <rwhitby> yeah, looks like it, and a "YOU MUST REBOOT AFTER THE NEXT STEP" before it.
Aug 01 15:18:54 <ByronT> :)
Aug 01 15:19:27 <rwhitby> We can also make unsling print a reminder message.
Aug 01 15:19:55 <ByronT> oooooh... great idea!
Aug 01 15:22:02 <philipjohnson> rwhitby, ByronT: Of course, when I get off my arse and get the Friendly Docs project going, we'll have nice red flashing colours and everything... (well less of the flashing, but you get my jist ;))
Aug 01 15:22:26 <philipjohnson> *gist
Aug 01 15:31:38 <philipjohnson> Has or have any of the site administrator(s) thought about using Coral to distribute the ipkg feed load?
Aug 01 15:32:25 * philipjohnson probably should ask that in -linux but anyway...
Aug 01 15:36:43 <rwhitby> philipjohnson: I looked at it, but then when I went to their wiki, the page was inaccessible.  The experience didn't leave me with a lot of confidence in it.
Aug 01 15:37:26 <rwhitby> We have a set of three mirrors worldwide ready to go - it's just waiting on the setup of the new server machine that the donations bought (no sense making two migrations when one will suffice).
Aug 01 15:39:02 <philipjohnson> rwhitby: fair enough =). Where are the mirrors located?
Aug 01 15:41:05 <rwhitby> us, france, norway.  but the mirror scheme is simple round-robin.
Aug 01 15:41:39 <rwhitby> ipkg installs not being a frequent interactive task, a simple distribution of bandwidth is all we need.
Aug 01 15:41:39 <stripwax_> hiya
Aug 01 15:41:57 <stripwax_> so - v23r63.   has a built in ftp server.
Aug 01 15:42:27 <philipjohnson> alrighty :)
Aug 01 15:42:53 <stripwax_> i tried upgrading my 4.20 via (what I thought was) v23r29 to 5.5  but it turned out my r29 download was actually r63.    Anyone noticed any weirdness upgrading from r63 to unslung 5.5?
Aug 01 15:43:08 <rwhitby> stripwax_: you may be the first
Aug 01 15:43:17 <stripwax_> Nice.    I get all the luck ;-)
Aug 01 15:43:39 <stripwax_> anyone else have an ALI5621 chipset in the enclosure and find it keeps crashing all the time?  ;-)
Aug 01 15:44:02 <stripwax_> anyway - i'll add myself to the 5.5 beta list anyway.
Aug 01 15:44:09 <rwhitby> it shouldn't matter what version of firmware you come *from* when going to unslung ...
Aug 01 15:44:21 <rwhitby> what weirdness did you see?
Aug 01 15:45:04 <stripwax_> rwhitby - only that there was no Management/telnet.cgi which caught me off guard a bit.   but since I was on 4.20 I honed by redboot skills upgrading *from* unslung anyway.  :-)    pretty sure upgrading from linksys to 5.5 went fine
Aug 01 15:45:15 <stripwax_> ftp server is a nice addition tho
Aug 01 15:45:35 <stripwax_> ^by^my
Aug 01 15:45:57 <rwhitby> stripwax_: R29 didn't have telnet.cgi either.  Linksys removed it a long time ago.
Aug 01 15:46:03 <stripwax_> ah ok.
Aug 01 15:46:21 <rwhitby> stripwax_: did you see how the ftp server is used in R63 ? (I haven't run R63 yet)
Aug 01 15:46:59 <stripwax_> so, my nslu2 is sat over there, top light flashing away, and doing nothing.  what can I do to diagnose (and ultimately fix)?   this has been happening on and off since forever, and I thought the genesys patches in unslung had fixed it but I might be wrong  (unless those patches fell out of 5.5?)
Aug 01 15:47:50 <rwhitby> those patches are still in 5.5
Aug 01 15:47:53 <stripwax_> rwhitby - you just have to enable it on the Systems settings page.  I was having disk problems so I can't be sure - but it looked like it was chrooted somewhere (possibly home/user).
Aug 01 15:48:30 <stripwax_> rwhitby - and it seemed like it was read-only access (but like i said, can't be sure).   I could switch back to r63 and find out if you like!
Aug 01 15:48:53 <stripwax_> rwhitby - ok, good to know.   any ideas then?  it's just hanging on startup..
Aug 01 15:50:17 <rwhitby> dunno
Aug 01 15:50:39 <stripwax_> are there any logs I can look at (that would still be there after a powercycle)?   i'm guessing not ....
Aug 01 15:50:50 <rwhitby> nope
Aug 01 15:50:59 <stripwax_> maybe it's time to treat my slug to a serial port
Aug 01 15:51:30 <rwhitby> that's the best way to debug it
Aug 01 15:51:43 <stripwax_> hm, reminds me.  was any investigation made into the on-board serial data line being ungrounded  (someone suggested it could be noise causing boot to hang)?
Aug 01 15:52:15 <rwhitby> yeah, I think the latest is to put a pullup or pulldown on it.  forget which
Aug 01 15:52:26 <stripwax_> cool, maybe i'll try that mod first.
Aug 01 15:53:40 <stripwax_> thanks!
Aug 01 15:55:45 <rwhitby> np
Aug 01 15:55:55 <stripwax_> hm, is there a howto recipe for that pullup resistor?  maybe i'll just do the serial mod instead
Aug 01 15:57:37 <rwhitby> stripwax_: dunno about the resistor for the serial ports.  none of mine have it.
Aug 01 16:00:35 <stripwax_> rwhitby - ok, no worries.   i'll just add a serial port and hopefully come up with some data for the hanging problem.   if it fixes it, then that's just as good to me, too  :-)    Had any reports of compatibility problems with ALI5621 chipsets?
Aug 01 16:01:25 <rwhitby> dunno - there is a compatibility database on the nslu2-general yahoo group
Aug 01 16:06:40 <stripwax_> Hmm - why's the 5.5 beta testers database on nslu2-linux rather than nslu2-general?
Aug 01 16:06:50 <stripwax_> I realise that's probably a dumb question
Aug 01 16:08:40 <rwhitby> stripwax_: cause that's where the 1.x database starte
Aug 01 16:08:42 <rwhitby> started
Aug 01 16:08:51 <stripwax_> ah ok
Aug 01 16:46:04 <philipjohnson> rwhitby & anyone else :p: Anybody got any comments on this warning box for the FriendlyReadme? http://www.pixelgeek.co.uk/slughelp.html
Aug 01 16:47:33 <philipjohnson> my view is that newbies like colours... if we've got any newbies in here... do you like colours?
Aug 01 16:49:54 <rwhitby> I like red.  red makes it go faster ....
Aug 01 16:51:49 <philipjohnson> Heh, we were gonna do all the documentation in DocBook, but screw that - too fancy for what we want :p
Aug 01 16:53:12 <philipjohnson> Technically Rod, you're not a newbie... although your comment is highly valuable :)
Aug 01 17:03:18 <Klendathu> non native speaking english people do not know what 'bricking' is
Aug 01 17:04:14 <Klendathu> way too much geek talk anyway in the wiki pages, but it's a geek thing anyway :-)
Aug 01 17:04:27 <Klendathu> gnight
Aug 01 17:05:18 <philipjohnson> Good point - I'll change it . Good night and thanks.
Aug 01 17:11:48 <Ivanmarcus> philipjohnson: looks good to me, interspersed regularly throughtout the doco, agree with the brick comment :-)
Aug 01 17:14:01 <philipjohnson> okay doke, i'll have the rest of the stuff done for tomorrow (warning wise)
Aug 01 17:14:14 <philipjohnson> im off now though, night 
Aug 01 21:28:03 <cmt> can someone here possibly help me?  I just installed unslung, and it works fine until i reboot the nslu2.  at that point, I can still telnet in, and i can see the data on the drive, but the rootfs is not getting mounted from the drive
Aug 01 21:31:31 <cmt> is anyone here?
Aug 01 23:17:57 <jumpkick> In case anyone is interested in using a USB modem with Unslung, I've just released a bunch of code to foward caller id info to an SMS gateway... you can get it here: http://stacktrace.org/index_html/20050802-HPM-NSLU2-unslung-5.5
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