**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 02 23:59:56 2005
Aug 03 06:17:49 <becol_be> build-optware-nslu2: mysql package fails to configure
Aug 03 06:18:09 <becol_be> checking for correct ltmain.sh version... no
Aug 03 06:18:23 <becol_be> *** libtool.m4 and ltmain.sh have a version mismatch! ***
Aug 03 13:40:39 <becreuz> ehrm, for brevitys sake. what should /initrd/etc/fstab look like?
Aug 03 14:08:15 <ivanmarcus-away> becreuz: #/dev/ram0               /                       ext2    defaults        1 1
Aug 03 15:06:00 <becreuz> blah
Aug 03 15:06:07 <becreuz> back Ivanmarcus 
Aug 03 15:06:18 <ByronT> ?
Aug 03 15:08:36 <becreuz> rwhitby: roger.
Aug 03 15:10:26 <rwhitby> If you're unslung to an external disk in 5.5, then jut edit /etc/fstab cause / is on the external disk
Aug 03 15:10:52 <becreuz> hmm but the changes does not stick between reboots
Aug 03 15:16:30 <geojeff|out> i just received the used slug i bought off of ebay. all it came with was the slug and the power cable.  i hooked it up to my LAN and powered it up, got a beep after about a minute and now have solid green ready lights. but i can't find it on my network.
Aug 03 15:16:49 <becreuz> ping the subnet
Aug 03 15:16:56 <geojeff|out> 192.168.1.177, eh?  i even tried resetting it.
Aug 03 15:17:08 <becreuz> 192.168.1.77
Aug 03 15:17:08 <Ivanmarcus> becreuz: I'm back - m$ problem! - rwhitby should be able to help you much better than I but I'd have thought that one I mentioned should do it?
Aug 03 15:17:20 <geojeff|out> 77, argh
Aug 03 15:17:42 <becreuz> well we'll know in about a minute or less
Aug 03 15:17:47 <Ivanmarcus> cool
Aug 03 15:18:06 <Ivanmarcus> why do people buy NAV ?!
Aug 03 15:18:41 <ByronT> geojeff|out, if you follow the directions to Reset the SysConf, you will set it back to 192.168.1.77
Aug 03 15:18:52 <ByronT> without affecting anything else
Aug 03 15:19:08 <becreuz> argh
Aug 03 15:19:14 * becreuz banks head against wall
Aug 03 15:19:24 <geojeff|out> those directions on nslu2-linux.org?
Aug 03 15:19:30 <ByronT> yes
Aug 03 15:19:37 <Ivanmarcus> uh-oh
Aug 03 15:19:39 <geojeff|out> ok.
Aug 03 15:20:07 <Ivanmarcus> becreuz: no-carrier??
Aug 03 15:20:21 <becreuz> roger captain. i'm going in low
Aug 03 15:20:25 <becreuz> glargh
Aug 03 15:20:36 <becreuz> im about to regress into some primordeal ooze or something
Aug 03 15:20:37 <Ivanmarcus> minties
Aug 03 15:20:55 <becreuz> so last resort is to edit the files in /usr/local ?
Aug 03 15:21:00 <Ivanmarcus> hmmm, well [damage-control mode] all is not lost methink
Aug 03 15:21:18 <ByronT> geojeff|out, http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/ResetSysConf
Aug 03 15:21:20 <Ivanmarcus> have you another linux box?
Aug 03 15:21:27 <becreuz> oh yes. several
Aug 03 15:21:54 <Ivanmarcus> cool - guess if it were me I'd mount that usb hdd on one of them & return the fstab file back to 'normal'
Aug 03 15:21:59 <geojeff|out> ByronT, thanks.
Aug 03 15:22:11 <ByronT> np... good luck
Aug 03 15:22:16 <becreuz> Ivanmarcus: huh?
Aug 03 15:22:20 <Ivanmarcus> then hopefull you'll be back to square one
Aug 03 15:22:36 <becreuz>  no the machine boots and everything but it's just like i didnt unsling it O_o
Aug 03 15:22:52 <Ivanmarcus> oh
Aug 03 15:23:24 <Ivanmarcus> this is just from changing /share/hdd/etc/fstab right?
Aug 03 15:23:49 <becreuz> nah it was first /initrd/etc then /etc then /share/hdd/etc now share/hdd/conf
Aug 03 15:23:58 <Ivanmarcus> oh
Aug 03 15:24:01 <becreuz> and im contemplating /usr/local
Aug 03 15:24:09 <Ivanmarcus> wow
Aug 03 15:25:41 <becreuz> now lets see how much i shot my foot.
Aug 03 15:25:47 <Ivanmarcus> so the final blow so to speak was share/hdd/conf
Aug 03 15:25:54 <becreuz> yeah
Aug 03 15:26:20 <Ivanmarcus> hmmm, well I don't have an fstab in there
Aug 03 15:26:33 <Ivanmarcus> but
Aug 03 15:26:38 <becreuz> i should probably tell what i'm trying to do here
Aug 03 15:26:43 <Ivanmarcus> if I was to fix it
Aug 03 15:26:49 <becreuz> i've moved /opt to another hdd
Aug 03 15:26:57 <Ivanmarcus> I think I'd remove the hdd from the slug
Aug 03 15:27:03 <Ivanmarcus> mount it to another machine
Aug 03 15:27:10 <Ivanmarcus> and remove the offending file
Aug 03 15:27:18 <Ivanmarcus> then re-install
Aug 03 15:27:26 <Ivanmarcus> back the slug
Aug 03 15:27:42 <Ivanmarcus> I mean put the drive back on the slug :-)
Aug 03 15:27:50 <Ivanmarcus> then it should go again?
Aug 03 15:28:05 <Ivanmarcus> oh, opt to another drive altogether?
Aug 03 15:28:07 <Ivanmarcus> that'
Aug 03 15:28:11 <Ivanmarcus> s  interesting
Aug 03 15:28:11 <becreuz> yeah
Aug 03 15:31:34 <Ivanmarcus> hmmm, the world seems full of m$ users with virus problems today... so you've got 2 x hdd on the slug, opt on the 2nd - now I'm a bit slow (and interested), what's the reasoning here?
Aug 03 15:35:27 <becreuz> room. and inadequate planning mostly
Aug 03 15:42:06 <Ivanmarcus> oh, fair 'nuff :-)
Aug 03 15:44:47 <geojeff|reset> i'm on my local linux server, on which there is a cheap little hub. was hoping i could do the telnet catch from the server. so, when it says there is a 2 sec window, that's when doing hard reboot of slug, right?
Aug 03 15:45:25 <ByronT> when it first starts
Aug 03 15:46:06 <geojeff|reset> ok, will try again :) (doing arping...)
Aug 03 15:48:38 <geojeff|reset> guess it has to work once before you'll believe it. so i do arping... first, then turn the slug on, then ctrl-c quickly?
Aug 03 15:48:55 <becreuz> ehrm since coreutils and busybox conflict. is it "safe" to force overwrite when installing unslung-devel ?
Aug 03 15:51:12 <Ivanmarcus> becreuz: sorry not a q I can answer - anyway I've done enuff damage today already!
Aug 03 15:51:17 <ByronT> geojeff|reset. to be honest, I've never had success with the arping... I usually setup a telnet session ready to go. hit the power on on the slug, hit the enter to start the telnet session and whiz bang, the Ctrl-C prompt comes up
Aug 03 15:51:36 <becreuz> Ivanmarcus: haha nah you have'nt. i did tha tmyself :)
Aug 03 15:51:48 <Ivanmarcus> :-)
Aug 03 15:53:48 <geojeff|reset> ByronT, yeah, it never picks it up.
Aug 03 15:54:14 <ByronT> what kind of hub / switch?
Aug 03 15:54:33 <ByronT> and is your server doing auto-negotiation?
Aug 03 15:55:18 <geojeff|reset> it is a little sohoware hub. hmmm.. not sure about auto-negotiation. i know it is not running dhcp, if that is a must.
Aug 03 15:56:28 <ByronT> on my wife's iMac, the only way to catch the redboot window was by forcibly setting the iMac to run the NIC at full duplex and 100BaseT (instead of detecting speed/duplex)
Aug 03 15:57:16 <geojeff|reset> well maybe i can try with a cross-over cable direct to my gentoo laptop
Aug 03 15:57:23 <ByronT> geojeff|reset, you're working from these directions - http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/TelnetIntoRedBoot?
Aug 03 15:57:31 <geojeff|reset> ByronT, yes
Aug 03 15:58:02 <ByronT> and the arp on that comp has the -f ability?
Aug 03 15:59:37 <geojeff|reset> hmmm, maybe not. it is redhat 7.3 on the one i am on.
Aug 03 16:00:34 <Ivanmarcus> geojeff|reset: fwiw I set up a ping in one session (on my linux box) and had the telnet set to go in another so when the slug came on line I was straight into it..
Aug 03 16:01:35 <Ivanmarcus> both sessions open in a separate putty window on winbox :-}
Aug 03 16:01:51 <geojeff|reset> what is it that you see when the telnet window is hit?  you get a prompt message?
Aug 03 16:02:23 <ByronT> yes, and a statement stating how long until boot
Aug 03 16:02:49 <ByronT> with Windows, I usually see 1.60 secs... with iMac, 1.20 secs
Aug 03 16:03:23 <ByronT> course, I just put serial access on one of my slugs... which means I see 2.00 secs in terminal
Aug 03 16:09:15 <geojeff|reset> should i be able to ping the slug? (at either 192.168.1.77 or 192.168.0.1), which i can't. says unreachable.
Aug 03 16:09:46 <ByronT> uh... the silly question at this point would be: what is the IP of the computer you're using to ping from
Aug 03 16:10:24 <ByronT> in other words, can your computer even see the 192.168.0.xxx subnet?
Aug 03 16:11:08 <geojeff|reset> well i ain't no network guy really :)  i just added ALL 192.169.0. to hosts.allow. something else to do?
Aug 03 16:14:04 <ByronT> ok, this is a linux box?
Aug 03 16:14:28 <ByronT> if so, go ahead and setup an ethernet alias with
Aug 03 16:14:30 <ByronT> ifconfig eth0:1 inet 192.168.0.2 broadcast 192.168.0.255 netmask 255.255.255.0
Aug 03 16:16:30 <ByronT> hmmm... looks like he just changed his ip....
Aug 03 16:16:56 <Ivanmarcus> oops :-)
Aug 03 16:20:01 <geojeff|reset> so, i probably have a basic network setup problem
Aug 03 16:21:07 <ByronT> did you catch my post about ethernet alias?
Aug 03 16:21:27 <geojeff|reset> no, sorry, blew myself away.
Aug 03 16:21:40 <ByronT> [18:09] <ByronT> ok, this is a linux box?
Aug 03 16:21:40 <ByronT> [18:09] <ByronT> if so, go ahead and setup an ethernet alias with
Aug 03 16:21:40 <ByronT> [18:09] <ByronT> ifconfig eth0:1 inet 192.168.0.2 broadcast 192.168.0.255 netmask 255.255.255.0
Aug 03 16:21:40 <ByronT> [
Aug 03 16:22:45 <ByronT> that will setup an alias for your nic, after doing that, you should be able to "ping 192.168.0.2" and see some response
Aug 03 16:23:20 <geojeff|reset> yeah, getting response there. why isn't is 192.168.0.2?
Aug 03 16:23:24 <geojeff|reset> i mean 0.1
Aug 03 16:23:34 <ByronT> good deal
Aug 03 16:23:41 <ByronT> that response is the server's nic...
Aug 03 16:23:52 <ByronT> the 192.168.0.1 will only be alive for 2 secs
Aug 03 16:23:59 <geojeff|reset> ah, ok
Aug 03 16:24:24 <ByronT> now try to telnet in... :)
Aug 03 16:24:44 <geojeff|reset> so, i really don't need to do the reset, now that i see i had a more basic problem.  but i guess telneting in is a basic first step to learn :)
Aug 03 16:26:06 <ByronT> the reset *sets* the permanent IP of the slug to a known IP - specifically the 192.168.1.77 address
Aug 03 16:26:44 <ByronT> since you don't know the currect setting, you need to use the Reset of SysConf via the Redboot to set the slug to that address
Aug 03 16:27:07 <ByronT> redboot is ALWAYS at 192.168.0.1
Aug 03 16:27:31 <geojeff|reset> ok, gotcha. just getting it configured.
Aug 03 16:27:46 <ByronT> but Yes, telnetting into RedBoot is a very basic, but needed step to learn...
Aug 03 16:28:30 <geojeff|reset> man arping gives me nothing about a -f param, so will step elsewhere.
Aug 03 16:28:55 <ByronT> try to do it by timing... (which is how I have done it many many many times)
Aug 03 16:29:28 <ByronT> setup a shell window with prompt$ telnet 192.168.0.1:9000
Aug 03 16:29:50 <ByronT> unplug the slug, plug the slug back in (sitting at no power...)
Aug 03 16:30:09 <ByronT> press power button, and immediately press enter in that shell window
Aug 03 16:30:34 <geojeff|reset> btw, would telnet 192.168.0.1 9000 (with a blank instead of a colon) work? -- i copied that from the help page.
Aug 03 16:30:35 <ByronT> watch the shell window for the "catching" (and you should have fingers over Control - C)
Aug 03 16:31:09 <ByronT> depends on your OS... telnet 192.168.0.1 9000 is the correct way in windows XP
Aug 03 16:31:28 <ByronT> telnet 192.168.0.1:9000 is how OS X needs it...
Aug 03 16:31:53 <geojeff|reset> it was that way under the Red Hat Linux example section
Aug 03 16:32:10 <geojeff|reset> but it looks like someone just copied their session, so probably ok
Aug 03 16:32:51 <ByronT> I can only speak to XP and OS X... :)
Aug 03 16:34:53 <geojeff|reset> telnet 192.168.0.1:9000 gives me unknown host message
Aug 03 16:35:15 <geojeff|reset> oh, its the colon :)
Aug 03 16:35:37 <geojeff|reset> never question the docs
Aug 03 16:36:29 <ByronT> I didn't write those docs... ;)
Aug 03 16:38:29 <geojeff|reset> telnet gives me  "Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused" and then pops off to a prompt, so it isn't "waiting"
Aug 03 16:38:58 <ByronT> k, so wait a sec on hitting enter... :)
Aug 03 16:39:24 <geojeff|reset> i did it about 8 times before i got a nibble, but i was too slow to hit ctrl c i guess
Aug 03 16:39:29 <ByronT> hehe
Aug 03 16:39:47 <ByronT> it's like riding a bike... that first time is the hardest...
Aug 03 16:39:57 <ByronT> after that, you know exactly how to do it...
Aug 03 16:41:10 <geojeff|reset> well, i missed it a bunch of times that go-round, and never got a nibble...
Aug 03 16:43:51 <ByronT> you could try installing an arp that has the -f
Aug 03 16:44:04 <geojeff|reset> i was imagining things on the "nibble" i think. yes, will try updating arp
Aug 03 16:44:46 <ByronT> today: the arp update... tomorrow: adding a serial port... :)
Aug 03 16:45:37 <geojeff|reset> yep, there will be no lapse in the fun
Aug 03 16:54:36 <geojeff|reset> i tried it on my gentoo laptop, which has arping with -f -- it said it received 1 response, but i guess i wasn't quick enough? man, that's quick.
Aug 03 16:55:02 <becreuz> wow this is like using linux in 93 all over again. shooting  from the hip. taking no prisoners, use of linux
Aug 03 16:56:49 <geojeff|reset> that's so quick that i think you'd have to guess at when it will come
Aug 03 16:59:34 <geojeff|reset> hah -- emerge telnet
Aug 03 17:00:19 <geojeff|reset> hmm..
Aug 03 17:00:52 <ByronT> yeah, that telnet window is short... with OS X, it's near impossible unless you use a cross-over cable or cut off the auto negotiation
Aug 03 17:18:01 <geojeff|reset> i guess i'll go get a crossover cable to try that route. seems too fast.
Aug 03 17:18:33 <ByronT> I've got to head home... good luck in the meantime
Aug 03 17:18:41 <geojeff|reset> thx
Aug 03 19:36:37 <geojeff|xover> i have my gentoo laptop hooked up to the slug with a crossover cable now. i did the ifconfig cmd, and i can ping 192.168.0.2, but the arping/telnet cmd gets no response now. something special for crossover conn.?
Aug 03 19:37:56 <ByronT> not at all
Aug 03 19:38:21 <ByronT> with a crossover cable telnet 192.168.0.1 at port 9000 should immediately pop
Aug 03 19:38:38 <geojeff|xover> hmmm..
Aug 03 19:38:50 <ByronT> with crossover, I doubt you even need to arp...
Aug 03 19:39:34 <geojeff|xover> but i still need to restart the slug on a hard boot, eh? (and still catch it with ctrl c)
Aug 03 19:39:42 <ByronT> yes
Aug 03 19:40:03 <ByronT> redboot is *only* available on the first two seconds or so of powering up
Aug 03 19:45:01 <ByronT> btw, nice wiki page (which is why I'm trying to get you up and running... :) )
Aug 03 19:45:12 <geojeff|xover> hehe
Aug 03 19:47:40 <geojeff|xover> there is a lag of more than 10 seconds before telnet even says 'Trying 192.168.0.1...', so don't know if that is a problem. i'm getting nothing when i hit the own button, and then hit the telnet cmd. what do you see when it "catches"?
Aug 03 19:47:57 <geojeff|xover> on button
Aug 03 19:48:07 <ByronT> ah
Aug 03 19:48:36 <ByronT> that sounds like the NIC is doing some sort of speed/duplex negotiation
Aug 03 19:49:49 <ByronT> what is your base computer?
Aug 03 19:49:55 <ByronT> (what distro?)
Aug 03 19:50:01 <geojeff|xover> i can hook it directly to the rh 7.3 server
Aug 03 19:50:42 <geojeff|xover> i have rh7.3 server with win98 desktop and a gentoo laptop hanging off it, with server hooked to dsl modem
Aug 03 19:50:43 <ByronT> let's figure this out from the computer that you would most likely be using to update the slug from....
Aug 03 19:51:05 <ByronT> so this is the gentoo laptop?
Aug 03 19:51:11 <geojeff|xover> yes
Aug 03 19:53:22 <geojeff|xover> i can ping 192.168.0.2, so i dunno if there is more network setup to do. i guess there isn't with a crossover cable.
Aug 03 19:53:33 <ByronT> there isn't... :)
Aug 03 19:53:44 <geojeff|xover> that's a good thing
Aug 03 19:53:54 <ByronT> does gentoo have mii-tool?
Aug 03 19:54:23 <geojeff|xover> i tried it and it says eth0: no link
Aug 03 19:54:39 <geojeff|xover> i mean with no params
Aug 03 19:54:59 <ByronT> try this: mii-tool -F 100baseTx-FD
Aug 03 19:55:37 <geojeff|xover> nothing returned
Aug 03 19:55:49 <ByronT> I think that is right
Aug 03 19:56:10 <ByronT> meaning we just forcibly set the NIC to 100BaseT and Full Duplex
Aug 03 19:56:38 <geojeff|xover> k
Aug 03 19:56:55 <ByronT> try the telnet before touching the nslu2... meaning let's see how fast it starts "trying"
Aug 03 19:57:43 <geojeff|xover> still same -- about 15 seconds
Aug 03 19:57:58 <ByronT> well ouch
Aug 03 19:58:26 <ByronT> with a cross-over cable, even!
Aug 03 19:58:38 <ByronT> the ethernet led is lit on the nslu2?
Aug 03 19:59:01 <geojeff|xover> yes
Aug 03 19:59:01 <ByronT> I mean when it fully powers up
Aug 03 19:59:15 <geojeff|xover> and ping seems responsive
Aug 03 19:59:50 <ByronT> ping seems responsive?
Aug 03 19:59:56 <geojeff|xover> when telnet fails, it says no route to host, but i figured that is because the slug isn't listening at the time
Aug 03 19:59:56 <ByronT> what do you mean?
Aug 03 20:00:07 <ByronT> that would be the case
Aug 03 20:00:18 <geojeff|xover> normal, no lag
Aug 03 20:00:42 <ByronT> you mean when you ping 192.168.0.2?
Aug 03 20:00:46 <geojeff|xover> yes
Aug 03 20:00:56 <ByronT> that's your computer's IP address....
Aug 03 20:01:21 <ByronT> that response is like you knocking on your own front door and then asking "who's there?"
Aug 03 20:01:30 <geojeff|xover> oh, well i guess it would be quick :)
Aug 03 20:01:35 <ByronT> :)
Aug 03 20:01:51 <ByronT> very quick... ;)
Aug 03 20:02:38 <ByronT> with the gentoo laptop, let's try one more thing
Aug 03 20:03:05 <geojeff|xover> k
Aug 03 20:03:17 <ByronT> type in the telnet command and mentally time (try to be fairly exact) how long it takes before the "Trying...." starts
Aug 03 20:04:23 <geojeff|xover> that would be a 19 count :)
Aug 03 20:04:38 <ByronT> ok
Aug 03 20:05:06 <ByronT> so let's try it this way... with the power off on the nslu2, and the telnet command ready to go
Aug 03 20:05:25 <geojeff|xover> i'm there
Aug 03 20:05:35 <ByronT> press enter on the telnet command, count to 17, hit power on nslu2, and be real ready to hit CTRL-C
Aug 03 20:06:53 <geojeff|xover> nah, missed, it popped out saying telnet: connect to address 192.168.0.1: No route to host
Aug 03 20:07:44 <ByronT> ok... another thing... let's just prove to ourselves that the NIC can *see* redboot...
Aug 03 20:08:06 <ByronT> type in ping 192.168.0.1
Aug 03 20:08:26 <ByronT> power up the nslu2 and watch to see if and how long the redboot responds
Aug 03 20:08:53 <geojeff|xover> k
Aug 03 20:10:02 <geojeff|xover> it saw it for 4 ping return lines
Aug 03 20:10:14 <ByronT> so there it was...
Aug 03 20:10:52 <ByronT> ok, leave the ping running
Aug 03 20:11:11 <ByronT> open up another shell window and put the telnet command in
Aug 03 20:11:50 <ByronT> when you see that first ping, hit enter on the telnet and be ready to hit Ctrl C
Aug 03 20:12:29 <geojeff|xover> k
Aug 03 20:12:36 <ByronT> and before you get frustrated... I did this same thing non-stop for about an hour on an iMac....
Aug 03 20:13:48 <geojeff|xover> hehe
Aug 03 20:14:03 <geojeff|xover> well, forgot about the telnet lag prob
Aug 03 20:14:33 <geojeff|xover> i see the 2 second window is a few (3 or 4) seconds after the power on
Aug 03 20:16:16 <ByronT> I'm not sure that it's that long after.... but since I've added serial access, it's not something I really notice
Aug 03 23:22:52 <landslide-wk> is ther ea log for the irc channels? like openjtag?
Aug 03 23:26:10 <ivanmarcus-away> landslide-wk: yep:http://loglibrary.com/
Aug 03 23:26:38 <ivanmarcus-away> both the nslu2 channels are logged.
Aug 03 23:51:33 <Airw0lf> hey, i just followed all the steps in installing unslung 5.5
Aug 03 23:51:51 <Airw0lf> the last step is to confirm after rebooting that linux is loading from the external drive
Aug 03 23:51:55 <Airw0lf> how do i do that??
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