**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 25 02:59:58 2005 Oct 25 05:21:52 ive got a slug with unslung 5.5 on it, i see linksys has got r63 out, is it possible to upgrade to r63 without losing the features of unslung (eg, ssh, ipkg) Oct 25 08:18:35 a Oct 25 10:37:26 anyone familiar with installing Nethack on a slug? Oct 25 10:44:19 thanks anyway Oct 25 10:58:56 mm Oct 25 10:58:58 hello Oct 25 10:59:42 ahem. Oct 25 10:59:48 je suis.. back Oct 25 11:11:30 Q: openslug vs unslung. pros & cons? Oct 25 11:15:36 Hello... Oct 25 11:16:32 i don't think anyone is really here Oct 25 11:16:59 OK... what are you using your slug for? Oct 25 11:17:11 just a sec. Oct 25 11:17:16 sure Oct 25 11:22:33 I use it to serve a personal website mostly, and to get to know linux better. I'm trying to install Nethack on it but failing miserably. Oct 25 11:22:47 i'm using unslung Oct 25 11:26:03 I'm using unslung as well... tough I'm experiencing some strange problems with my mail'er... and some other odd stuff. I wonder if openslug will be "more linux-like".... Oct 25 11:26:38 i unfortunately have had no experience with openslug so i can't help you Oct 25 11:27:26 OK Oct 25 11:27:26 Nethack, as in the game? Oct 25 11:27:26 I'm using my slug for torrent download, media storage, mail server etc Oct 25 11:27:36 right. Oct 25 11:27:55 OK, never tried it.... Oct 25 11:27:56 there is supposed to be a package, but it doesn't seem to exist. Oct 25 11:27:57 anyone here in the UK want a cheap NSLU2 ? Oct 25 11:28:31 Tried to build from source? Oct 25 11:28:49 I have a replacement NSLU2 under a RMA replacement Oct 25 11:29:06 the nslu2-linux.org group could use one Oct 25 11:29:41 i'm about to embark on that, but i'm not very experienced doing such things. Oct 25 11:29:52 but "RMA replacement" doesn't sound too good Oct 25 11:30:01 i've basically learned linux from scratch using the slug Oct 25 11:30:25 Me neither, tough I run a desktop gentoo box. Oct 25 11:30:51 it's brand new shrink wrapped Oct 25 11:31:18 are you wanting to sell it or could you donate it to the nslu2-linux cause? Oct 25 11:31:26 I killed a nslu2 and sent it back to linksys.. they sent me a new one. In the mean time I had to purchase another Oct 25 11:31:26 I've been using Linux on and off for a couple of years, but it wasn't untill I started using gentoo that I reallt started to learn linux. Oct 25 11:31:33 hence now having one spare ;) Oct 25 11:32:28 we (me speaking on behalf of the nslu2-linux developers) need to get a modded nslu2 to a debian developer in the UK who is helping to make armeb an official debian port Oct 25 11:32:42 I'd rather sell it to be honest. Although I'm quite happy for it to go cheaper than the norm. I'm going to be a father next month I need all the pennies I can get Oct 25 11:33:41 connivance: Are you using winxp for your desktop? Oct 25 11:34:14 Does anyone here have any experience with OpenSlug? Oct 25 11:34:33 yes. xp. Oct 25 11:35:19 SizEzE, can you send an email to byront@nslu2-linux.org? Oct 25 11:35:48 The wiki on nslu2 is pretty good. I guess you already have found some of the great howtos there. Oct 25 11:39:02 i spend a great deal of time reading every day. I've learned an immense amount in a short period of time. The slug is great for that. Oct 25 11:40:07 True! At a "safe distance". You don't have to risk messing up your desktop. Oct 25 11:40:55 i considered a desktop, but my wife would kill me having another laying around taking up space Oct 25 11:42:22 I'm dual-booting WinXp and linux. I'm only using win for gaming.... Oct 25 11:43:27 i prefer a computer without OS. Oct 25 11:43:37 OSes give me a headache sometimes. Oct 25 11:44:03 oO[NOVA]Oo: Are you typing machine-code? ;-) Oct 25 11:44:11 my ultimate goal is to get a desktop to run MythTV for a PVR. but i have a long way to go before I'm prepared for that. Oct 25 11:44:28 mov 09 38 Oct 25 11:44:39 stein: nah, i just do what all TV viewers do. machine on, brain off Oct 25 11:45:34 lately the show has improved dramatically. most mainboards have a fullscreen logo instead of just text Oct 25 11:45:55 "computer without OS" <- isn't that called a "doorstop" or "paperweight"? or do you do all your work in assembly and or binary? Oct 25 11:46:29 int 21h Oct 25 11:46:36 oO[NOVA]Oo: I got pretty tired of the "blue screen of death" show... Oct 25 11:46:37 you're all so funny. Oct 25 11:46:53 here i am, sharing a serious tale Oct 25 11:46:55 ;) Oct 25 11:47:38 maybe the terminology is a bit off... as in you "prefer a computer without GUI"? Oct 25 11:47:56 no i meant the no OS thing. i'm just pulling your collective leg Oct 25 11:48:18 so you're one of the big cheeses in the nslu2-linux project, byront? Oct 25 11:48:37 seeing you write about sending an nslu2 off to some guy for developing stuff Oct 25 11:48:41 I'm just a mouse Oct 25 11:49:24 i guess that makes me droppings. Oct 25 11:49:36 doing a /whois on my nick would give a clue as well.... Oct 25 11:50:09 hm i hate to say it but in such a universe i'd probably be the stuff that goes on the bottom of the mouse cage Oct 25 11:50:30 hm you visit a lot of linux channels Oct 25 11:50:40 the only channel is know is no.5 Oct 25 11:50:54 oh and this one, when i came across unslung Oct 25 11:51:04 away.. Oct 25 11:51:06 still have things to sort out with vsftpd though .. Oct 25 11:51:17 ah. Oct 25 11:51:21 speak of the devil. Oct 25 11:54:23 ? Oct 25 11:54:47 strange individual Oct 25 11:55:24 there have been times when vsftpd drove me a little crazy Oct 25 11:57:47 yeah vsftpd drives me nuts too. Oct 25 11:58:11 i wish i could get unslung to have an ftp service that functions similarly to the linksys firmware - create a user in the web interface, boom, it works Oct 25 11:58:17 any germans in the channel? Oct 25 11:59:38 kiwi3: I can't speak for everyone here, but I would guess no. Oct 25 12:00:01 actually, caplink is from germany, i believe Oct 25 12:00:02 oh thats bad Oct 25 12:00:09 Nein Oct 25 12:00:31 nein? Oct 25 12:00:38 i thought kiwis were from New Zealand Oct 25 12:00:51 not all Oct 25 12:00:57 Ich bin keine Deutche.... :-) Oct 25 12:01:08 i thought. then i had to reflash my brain Oct 25 12:01:14 phew, i was pretty sure they didn't speak german there. Oct 25 12:01:30 no thats only my nick Oct 25 12:01:59 in germany i think its a little to cold Oct 25 12:03:05 but i have an other question perhaps anyone can help me? Which HD do you have in your 101g+? Oct 25 12:05:17 hello? Oct 25 12:05:36 i'm sorry, i'm not sure what you mean. Oct 25 12:06:02 i am searching whats the best harddisk for my 101g+ Oct 25 12:06:49 synology 101g+ ? Oct 25 12:06:53 i want to avoid problems with a bad combination Oct 25 12:07:08 yes Oct 25 12:07:24 is this the wrong channel? Oct 25 12:07:33 i have never used one. this is probably the wrong channel Oct 25 12:07:34 kiwi, why not ask the guys who are more likely to actually have one (in the ds101-linux channel)? Oct 25 12:07:47 ohh Oct 25 12:08:09 thats perhaps because of my bad english ;-) Oct 25 12:08:21 but thanks!!! Oct 25 12:08:26 i try it Oct 25 12:08:51 Why won't "su" aka "tinylogin" work on my slug? It complains about premissions.... Is there any config file I must edit? Oct 25 12:08:51 By the way, what do you guys prefer: openssh or dropbear? Oct 25 12:09:26 morning Oct 25 12:09:27 whats nslu2-linux? Oct 25 12:09:33 a hot blonde chick Oct 25 12:09:38 hi, caplink. Oct 25 12:09:47 (don't connect those two sentences) Oct 25 12:10:12 google it. Oct 25 12:10:14 caplink where are you from? Oct 25 12:10:34 as oO[NOVA]Oo mentioned before, from germany Oct 25 12:11:00 och menno :-) Oct 25 12:11:16 caplink, i won't be able to be online for much longer today. i have to go in about 10 minutes. good thing i still caught you online though. Oct 25 12:11:25 @caplink: du kannst mir aber auch nicht helfen oder? Oct 25 12:11:40 kiwi3, if you want to communicate in german language, you could try #nslu2-german Oct 25 12:11:50 lol Oct 25 12:12:03 oh thanks thats a good idea Oct 25 12:12:03 oO[NOVA]Oo, chanel exist :-) Oct 25 12:12:09 yes. chanel no. 5 Oct 25 12:12:58 i didn't know it existed before you told us. it was just funny that neither of us in the channel knew about it when Mr. Fruit2 asked for german people. Oct 25 12:13:18 i wish i spoke german :( Oct 25 12:13:22 oO[NOVA]Oo, haven't time to resolve your problem today, was very busy this day, but i'll promise, i try it these week Oct 25 12:13:46 sounds good, caplink Oct 25 12:15:07 connivance, not a real advantage, in #nslu2-german, you could talk to caplink811_log, capbot, and another bouncer Oct 25 12:15:26 Long shot: Anyone from Norway here? Oct 25 12:15:33 i'm sure it would be useful outside of irc Oct 25 12:16:00 caplink811_log: you don't happen to know what happened to the Nethack package do you? Oct 25 12:16:19 nope Oct 25 12:16:50 but the makefile still exist Oct 25 12:16:51 i guess speaking english isn't too useful either. Oct 25 12:17:08 you're from..? Oct 25 12:17:45 Montreal. Oct 25 12:18:00 hmm. makefile is probably over my head, but... Oct 25 12:18:53 well, the package is marked as broken, and so it isn't in the feeds, but you can try to compile it for your own Oct 25 12:20:43 i think that is probably way above my head right now.. Oct 25 12:21:06 maybe in a couple months when i understand more Oct 25 12:22:35 i appreciate your help though. Oct 25 12:23:19 Gotogo! Seeya! Oct 25 12:26:12 np Oct 25 12:33:57 fn'caplink811_log: have you got ncurses-5.4.tar.gz ? Oct 25 12:34:04 trying to stage ncurses Oct 25 12:34:13 and the file aint on the ftp server :( Oct 25 12:36:01 HOLD ON I think I fopund Oct 25 12:36:05 found it Oct 25 12:36:06 http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/ncurses/ncurses-5.4.tar.gz Oct 25 12:36:14 oh thanks man Oct 25 12:36:39 Ill take yours Oct 25 12:37:07 you should put it in downloads directory Oct 25 12:37:36 why in the downloads directory..? does that link up with the package manager when you try to install the package? Oct 25 12:37:48 oh well Oct 25 12:37:54 gotta go now anyways. Oct 25 12:37:57 bye Oct 25 12:38:18 yes Oct 25 12:39:24 nice evening Oct 25 12:39:44 it's coooooold Oct 25 12:39:47 *brrrr* Oct 25 12:39:57 a very windy evening Oct 25 12:40:23 you can change the ncurses.mk, or you can download the sourcefile and put it in the downloads folder Oct 25 12:40:33 thats nearly equal Oct 25 12:45:04 orda, you should close the and or the windows, and probably switch on the oven Oct 25 12:45:37 hehehe :) Oct 25 12:45:43 s/ the and or/the door and Oct 25 12:45:55 to keep warm i like to overclock things. Oct 25 12:46:10 that's another possibility Oct 25 12:46:23 I just put the file in downloads Oct 25 12:46:23 chestnuts roasting on a cpu. Oct 25 12:46:25 yeah Oct 25 12:46:36 I havn't even overclocked my slug Oct 25 12:46:44 maybe thats why it's so cold Oct 25 12:47:47 hm, dict.leo.org seems down, anyone with an another online-dictionary adress? Oct 25 12:48:17 term.h: No such file or directory Oct 25 12:48:23 damn Oct 25 12:49:49 but you've put $(MAKE) ncurses-stage in your bla.mk makefile? Oct 25 12:50:26 caplink811_log: something like http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/ ? Oct 25 12:50:57 yes Oct 25 12:51:00 nice, boolmark it right now, thx Oct 25 12:51:21 isn't my evening, or isn't my keyboard, ts Oct 25 12:51:29 s/boolmatk/bookmark Oct 25 12:51:36 forget it , gna Oct 25 12:51:50 np Oct 25 12:51:56 I just tried to copy term.h from ncurses to the build dir, well taht worked, but just resulted in some more missing files Oct 25 12:52:10 I need to include ncurses includes Oct 25 12:52:19 something Oct 25 12:52:32 maybe like that **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 25 12:55:50 2005 Oct 25 12:56:04 hmm okay, doing a little cheating Oct 25 12:56:24 and copying the two files made it go through :) Oct 25 12:56:46 but ncurses is staged before you start to compile your own stuff? Oct 25 12:57:07 ~test Oct 25 12:57:09 Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! Oct 25 12:57:13 ~thanks Oct 25 12:57:13 de rien, caplink811 Oct 25 12:57:55 the cat is back Oct 25 13:00:43 yes Oct 25 13:00:47 it should be Oct 25 13:00:59 it the first thing I do Oct 25 13:01:17 I following the template.mk to the point Oct 25 13:04:27 and so there should be a ncurses.h in ..../staging/opt/include Oct 25 13:05:16 or libncurses.* in staging/opt/lib Oct 25 13:08:44 theresncurses.h in staging/opt/include Oct 25 13:09:55 so the line --with-ncurses-include-dir=$(STAGING_DIR)/opt/include/ncurses \ should do the trick Oct 25 13:10:34 I also have --with-ncurses \ of course Oct 25 13:10:34 and maybe --with-ncurses-lib-dir Oct 25 13:10:55 okay Oct 25 13:11:11 can't remember, what's your target applikation Oct 25 13:11:13 ? Oct 25 13:11:20 my own program Oct 25 13:11:28 k Oct 25 13:11:53 it's and identd daemon made specially for psybnc's oidentd implementation Oct 25 13:12:19 it's actuall just widentd I have hacked up to work in another way Oct 25 13:12:23 actually Oct 25 13:18:08 damn that didn't do the trick Oct 25 13:19:43 I have the last part of the output from the compile here: http://pastebin.com/405708 Oct 25 13:22:02 and this is the term.h's Ive got on my system ;) http://pastebin.com/405715 Oct 25 13:22:51 whats this bsd.prog.mk thingy? Oct 25 13:24:13 hmm Oct 25 13:24:39 what line ? Oct 25 13:24:54 not, in http://www.webweaving.org/widentd/widentd-1.03.tgz Oct 25 13:25:13 in the makefile there an include Oct 25 13:26:39 I can't find that Oct 25 13:26:40 but Oct 25 13:26:45 I think you have a point Oct 25 13:27:28 pastebin looks a little courious, but myself using unslung, so i dunno if the unlung devel environmet realy works with openslug Oct 25 13:27:42 i dont use openslug Oct 25 13:27:53 I just have both develop enviroments Oct 25 13:27:56 fault by the directory structure Oct 25 13:28:03 myself Oct 25 13:28:06 though I dont use the opsenslug devel Oct 25 13:28:21 I use the unslung devel Oct 25 13:28:49 in /usr/local/slug/... I think it was a bad paste that one, so please ignore := Oct 25 13:28:51 :) Oct 25 13:29:33 k, so your staging dir should be /usr/local/slug/unslung/staging/opt/lib , .../include Oct 25 13:29:42 the bsd thingy maight have from freebsd :) I hacked the program on fbsd, did make fetch in ports and used that source, so it might very well have been altered maybe Oct 25 13:30:15 Ill try to take the source from the link you found, and implement the hasks again in that and see what happends Oct 25 13:30:21 hacks* Oct 25 13:30:58 and there should be the ncurses.h / libncurses* Oct 25 13:32:01 there is ncurses.h and ncurses/ in staging/opt/includes Oct 25 13:32:18 and libncurses.* in staging/opt/lib Oct 25 13:32:29 so that should be fine... Oct 25 13:33:07 i buess Oct 25 13:33:11 I guess Oct 25 13:44:50 bb in a moment have to reboot Oct 25 14:05:05 damn Oct 25 14:05:15 it didnt work with the new sourcecode Oct 25 14:05:32 here's the output http://pastebin.com/405769 Oct 25 14:15:49 btw. what should I install to get the command 'uptime' ? Oct 25 14:17:00 hm, maybe that i'm on the wwrong way, but, afaik, there's e difference between and "bla.h", the 1st should be in the system include dir (/usr/include) the 2nd elsewhere, dunno, Oct 25 14:18:44 coreutils - http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org/result.php?query=uptime&searchtype=file§ion= Oct 25 14:20:55 maybe that anybody at #nslu2-linux has a hint for you Oct 25 14:21:22 "bla.h" looks for the bla.h at the folder in which the .c file is Oct 25 14:21:44 and then one can do "foo/bar/.bla.h" Oct 25 14:22:07 Ill give it a try in .linux Oct 25 14:25:07 maybe Ill just have to write my own identd daemon from scratch Oct 25 14:25:19 withOUT using term.h ;) Oct 25 14:26:46 hmm Oct 25 14:26:46 root@slug:~/ > uptime Oct 25 14:26:46 uptime: couldn't get boot time: No such file or directory Oct 25 14:27:08 hm Oct 25 14:28:09 dir perms at /proc are 555 ? Oct 25 14:28:32 dr-xr-xr-x 41 root root 0 Jan 1 1970 proc Oct 25 14:28:44 same here Oct 25 14:28:53 555 it is Oct 25 14:29:09 nooo don't tell me that you can do uptime and I can't Oct 25 14:29:23 not that thing again Oct 25 14:29:42 Ill start crying :'( Oct 25 14:30:44 seems, it depends on package procps Oct 25 14:32:33 would open libproc* which is provided by procps Oct 25 14:33:35 then opens libc accessing /proc/cpuinfo and /proc/uptime and etc/localtime Oct 25 14:35:20 can you verify that behaviour? Oct 25 14:41:18 [root@linus unslung]$ ipkg install procps Oct 25 14:41:18 Installing procps (3.2.3-5) to root... Oct 25 14:41:18 Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/unslung/cross/procps_3.2.3-5_armeb.ipk Oct 25 14:41:18 Configuring procps Oct 25 14:41:19 update-alternatives: Linking //opt/bin/kill to /opt/bin/procps-kill Oct 25 14:41:19 update-alternatives: Linking //opt/bin/uptime to /opt/bin/procps-uptime Oct 25 14:41:32 hm, curious Oct 25 14:42:04 installing procps Oct 25 14:42:14 did so I can use uptime Oct 25 14:42:31 could I remove coreutils ? Oct 25 14:42:53 it seems so, but there are usefull hings in coreutils Oct 25 14:43:02 things, argh Oct 25 14:43:43 well okay Ill leave em be Oct 25 17:15:47 okay, heres a newbie question :) If I want to change my networksetup on unslung how should I do it? using the webinterface og can I do it from command shell ? Im going to move the slug to a new network, which means I have to change the dns servers, the ip and netmask are fine Oct 25 18:24:27 hmmm Oct 25 18:26:19 hmm Oct 25 18:26:25 :) Oct 25 18:27:42 my logging connection is showing some channel activity about 2-3 minutes prior to it showing up here Oct 25 18:28:57 heh, that's some serious lag Oct 25 18:30:44 btw. how should I go about to change my dns servers? just use the webinterface ? or can I just alter resolv ? Oct 25 18:30:53 yeah, and they are on the same interface Oct 25 18:30:58 same network Oct 25 18:31:17 if you're doing it with unslung, I would do it via the web interface Oct 25 18:31:20 thats strange Oct 25 18:31:23 okay Oct 25 18:31:51 Ill just use the webiface then **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 26 02:59:58 2005