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Mar 24 00:53:49 <alex_mayorga> has anyone used the SLUG with a WD myBook HD?
Mar 24 01:10:44 <alex_mayorga> anyone around/
Mar 24 01:10:46 <alex_mayorga> ?
Mar 24 01:30:43 <ilmari> yes, but I haven't tried that HD
Mar 24 01:31:04 <ilmari> running with two 80GB Seagate Barracuda IV's in eMacic USB enclosures here
Mar 24 01:31:04 <alex_mayorga> hi ilmari
Mar 24 01:31:13 <ilmari> hooked up to a cheap-ass bus-powered usb hub
Mar 24 01:31:17 <alex_mayorga> I see
Mar 24 01:31:34 <alex_mayorga> do you know where I turn off UPNP?
Mar 24 01:31:44 <alex_mayorga> looks like it may be the culcript
Mar 24 01:31:53 <ilmari> no, i'm not using any of the standard images
Mar 24 01:32:02 <ilmari> running debian etch with RAID1 for the data filesystem :)
Mar 24 01:32:04 <alex_mayorga> neither do I
Mar 24 01:32:15 <ilmari> so no upnp here :)
Mar 24 01:32:15 <alex_mayorga> no unslug?
Mar 24 01:32:20 <alex_mayorga> I see
Mar 24 01:32:43 <ilmari> I guess I meant custom, not standard
Mar 24 01:32:55 * ilmari is a deboholic :)
Mar 24 01:33:17 <alex_mayorga> nice route to ge
Mar 24 01:33:19 <alex_mayorga> go
Mar 24 01:34:49 <ilmari> yeah I like having a familiar system
Mar 24 01:35:09 <ilmari> the only problem is that debian doesn't Tremor, the integer-only ogg decoder library
Mar 24 01:35:14 <alex_mayorga> not a linux master yet, so I tried unslug
Mar 24 01:35:25 <ilmari> so I'll have to build it and rebuild mpd with id to be able to play oggs
Mar 24 01:38:04 <alex_mayorga> way over my head
Mar 24 01:38:07 <alex_mayorga> :)
Mar 24 01:49:51 <alex_mayorga> any unslug experts/
Mar 24 01:49:53 <alex_mayorga> ?
Mar 24 02:38:07 <alex_mayorga> how do I get back to linksys firmware from unslug 5.5
Mar 24 02:39:15 <mwester> Just reflash the NSLU2.
Mar 24 02:39:40 <alex_mayorga> where can i find a little how to?
Mar 24 02:44:26 <mwester> On the wiki, of course!  
Mar 24 02:44:35 <mwester> Here's one way, for instance: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/RecoverFromABadFlash
Mar 24 02:44:57 <alex_mayorga> the Upgrade Utility won't run here :(
Mar 24 02:45:12 <mwester> What upgrade utility do you refer to?
Mar 24 02:45:58 <alex_mayorga> http://www.sercomm.com/web/download.nsf/cd9678c311095856482566a5000aac9e/7f17bf7344cfc12f482566aa00389845/$FILE/Upgrade_207_XP.exe
Mar 24 02:47:06 <mwester> Ok - there are other utilities; upslug and upslug2.  Did you check to see if others have had troubles with the sercomm utility (works fine for me - what problem do you encounter?)
Mar 24 02:47:39 <alex_mayorga> the RmDrv.exe thing listed there
Mar 24 02:48:06 <mwester> What about the RmDrv.exe?  I'm not understanding that...
Mar 24 02:48:21 <alex_mayorga> mwester, would you kindly help me fing out if my NSLU2 is really not working or it is me doind wrong
Mar 24 02:48:57 <alex_mayorga> the RmDrv problem is actually listed in the page you gave me
Mar 24 02:49:46 <alex_mayorga> I'm using unslug 5.5
Mar 24 02:50:42 <mwester> Ah - ok.  That's new info on the page - cool.  Looks like someone managed to make it work by repeatedly trying, but I would suggest the course the next paragraph offers - try the upslug2 utility on a Linux system.
Mar 24 02:51:20 <alex_mayorga> ok, i'll try when I can borrow a linux boz
Mar 24 02:51:42 <mwester> Is there a reason you want to go back to the Linksys code, though?
Mar 24 02:52:08 <alex_mayorga> the thing simply doesn't work for me, no matter what firmware
Mar 24 02:52:13 <mwester> How so?
Mar 24 02:52:32 <alex_mayorga> It works with a USB thumb, but no my drive
Mar 24 02:52:56 <alex_mayorga> and looks up either with a steady orange in ready/status
Mar 24 02:53:08 <mwester> Did the drive work with the NSLU2 when it ran the Linksys firmware?
Mar 24 02:53:14 <alex_mayorga> or all 4 leds in steady green even with no drives attached
Mar 24 02:53:40 <alex_mayorga> worked almos the same as now
Mar 24 02:54:02 <alex_mayorga> also it drops connection on it's own
Mar 24 02:54:20 <alex_mayorga> I'm betting on my unit being flawed
Mar 24 02:54:56 <alex_mayorga> do you knos the sympthoms?
Mar 24 02:55:19 <alex_mayorga> I mean, have you seen those LED combination
Mar 24 02:55:32 <mwester> Hmmm.  Well, if it didn't work before you changed to Unslung, it certainly won't work with Unslung -- it might be problem with the unit, although there are some USB enclosures that just don't want to work with the NSLU2 even though they work with a PC ok.  Is the disk self-powered, or does it have it's own power source?
Mar 24 02:55:38 <alex_mayorga> steady orange R/S steady green E
Mar 24 02:55:59 <alex_mayorga> has it's own power
Mar 24 02:56:16 <alex_mayorga> is this thing http://wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=232&Language=en
Mar 24 02:56:17 <mwester> steady orange just means its stuck somewhere in the boot process, not much information beyond that.
Mar 24 02:56:30 <alex_mayorga> but not broken then?
Mar 24 02:57:01 <mwester> 500GB?  That's big!  Did the NSLU2 recognize it and let you format that drive?
Mar 24 02:57:12 <alex_mayorga> sorry link I seent is 500GB, mine is 160
Mar 24 02:57:41 <mwester> Ok - but did you format it on the NSLU2?
Mar 24 02:58:03 <alex_mayorga> I could'nt find preecise instructions on how to format, I haven't been successful yet
Mar 24 02:58:16 <alex_mayorga> it looks when formating
Mar 24 02:58:16 <mwester> Follow the linksys instructions to format it.
Mar 24 02:58:46 <alex_mayorga> at the moment the NSLU2 is all steady green lights, what to do?
Mar 24 02:59:13 <mwester> Even the disk lights are green, and does it have disks plugged into those ports?
Mar 24 02:59:21 <alex_mayorga> just yank the power?
Mar 24 02:59:36 <alex_mayorga> no disks, and the LED on though
Mar 24 03:00:05 <mwester> Can you bring up the Linksys web gui in a browser now?
Mar 24 03:00:43 <alex_mayorga> negative, ping and weeb interface time out
Mar 24 03:01:49 <mwester> But you could do so before you flashed the new firmware, right?
Mar 24 03:02:29 <alex_mayorga> yes, also in unslug 5.5 whn the thing doesn't locks up
Mar 24 03:02:54 <mwester> Ok great - then it's mostly working.  So the only time it fails is when you plug in the hard drive?
Mar 24 03:02:56 <alex_mayorga> It actually worked 24 hours using just the USB thumb in another router
Mar 24 03:03:07 <alex_mayorga> basically
Mar 24 03:03:46 <alex_mayorga> I tested in my WRT54G using unslug 5.5 and a UUSB thumb drive it worked a whole day
Mar 24 03:04:05 <alex_mayorga> so how I restore it from it's currend locked up state?
Mar 24 03:04:07 <mwester> No difference between a thumb (flash) drive and a hard drive as far as the NSLU2 is concerned.  But if you do not have the hard drive plugged in, can you reach the WEB gui now?  In other words, is the only problem you have the hard drive, or is it also the router?
Mar 24 03:04:26 <mwester> (to recover?  pull the plug. )
Mar 24 03:04:28 <alex_mayorga> only ths NSLU
Mar 24 03:04:54 <alex_mayorga> ok I'll do that, and I would appreciate if you help me figure this one out, thank you
Mar 24 03:05:10 <alex_mayorga> shall I wait a given time, before power cycling?
Mar 24 03:05:39 <alex_mayorga> also do you mean the wall plug or the one in the unit
Mar 24 03:06:18 <alex_mayorga> ?
Mar 24 03:06:20 <mwester> I unplug whichever is easiest, and you don't have to wait - just plug it right back in.  Without disks would be good.
Mar 24 03:06:33 <alex_mayorga> ok, will do
Mar 24 03:06:55 <mwester> Then power it up, and wait until it "chirps" - then you should be able to open a web browser and bring up the GUI.
Mar 24 03:08:27 <alex_mayorga> how long would it take, is like stuck in orange, green
Mar 24 03:08:45 <alex_mayorga> is it locked again?
Mar 24 03:08:48 <mwester> Shouldn't take longer than about 5 minutes with no disk attached.
Mar 24 03:09:04 <alex_mayorga> oky, I would wait a bit then
Mar 24 03:09:09 <mwester> You don't have the thumb drive plugged in either, right?
Mar 24 03:09:28 <alex_mayorga> negative, nothing plugged, but the ethernet and power
Mar 24 03:09:55 <alex_mayorga> so which firmware do you use mwester?
Mar 24 03:10:25 <mwester> Perfect.  If it won't boot properly this way, then the flash is bad - either a bad flash load in the first place, or something could have happened to fill the flash filesystem or such.  We'll know soon...
Mar 24 03:10:57 <mwester> (I run one Unslung 5.5, one Unslung 6.7-beta, and one NSLU2 is running the Linksys firmware (for reference))
Mar 24 03:11:06 <alex_mayorga> thanks you so much, this thing has been puzzling me for a week now
Mar 24 03:12:07 <alex_mayorga> still solid orang/green :(
Mar 24 03:12:31 <alex_mayorga> power cycle again?? it eventually comes up
Mar 24 03:13:26 <mwester> BTW, you need to download or otherwise aquire the knoppix CD -- will let you boot a Linux environment from your CDrom on your PC without changing your Windows install... from that you can run the "upslug2" utility to reflash)
Mar 24 03:13:48 <mwester> Yeah, this doesn't look good.  Unplug again, and let's let it try to boot once more.
Mar 24 03:13:59 <alex_mayorga> I would install ubuntu in my old laptop tomorrow
Mar 24 03:14:08 <alex_mayorga> ok
Mar 24 03:21:16 <alex_mayorga> ok, wee're good, two solid greens and the chirp
Mar 24 03:21:32 <alex_mayorga> 2ms response to the ping
Mar 24 03:21:42 <mwester> Ok.
Mar 24 03:21:54 <alex_mayorga> and the web interface is up
Mar 24 03:22:17 <alex_mayorga> do I need to change any settings?
Mar 24 03:22:38 <mwester> Good so far.  Go to the telnet management web page, enable telnet, and telnet in as root.
Mar 24 03:24:06 <alex_mayorga> I've got the #
Mar 24 03:24:17 <mwester> type "df -k"
Mar 24 03:25:09 <alex_mayorga> Filesystem           1k-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
Mar 24 03:25:21 <alex_mayorga> rootfs                    6528      5324      1204  82% /
Mar 24 03:25:45 <alex_mayorga> and /dev/mtdblock4            6528      5324      1204  82% /
Mar 24 03:26:01 <alex_mayorga> and /dev/mtdblock4            6528      5324      1204  82% /dev.state
Mar 24 03:26:14 <alex_mayorga> finally /dev/mtdblock4            6528      5324      1204  82% /var.state
Mar 24 03:26:38 <alex_mayorga> that's what I see
Mar 24 03:26:42 <mwester> Hmmm... that's not what I expected.
Mar 24 03:26:54 <mwester> Did you ever run the "unsling" command?
Mar 24 03:27:33 <alex_mayorga> no, never, I just flashed the unslung and tried to see if it worked then before taking the plunge
Mar 24 03:28:01 <alex_mayorga> do I have to kill the dev/
Mar 24 03:28:33 <mwester> Ah, ok.  Then this makes sense.    The NSLU2 is ready to unsling to an external device.  Were you planning to unsling to the flash (thumb) drive or the 160GB drive?
Mar 24 03:28:51 <alex_mayorga> the 160 GB drive
Mar 24 03:28:57 <alex_mayorga> if possible
Mar 24 03:29:17 <mwester> Let's find out.
Mar 24 03:29:18 <alex_mayorga> I really don't know, which is beetter idea?
Mar 24 03:29:36 <alex_mayorga> I believe flash should be faster right?
Mar 24 03:30:03 <mwester> Plug the 160GB into a PC, and do a quick format (FAT) of the drive into a single large partition -- that's the easiest way to reinitialize the drive at this point.
Mar 24 03:30:11 <mwester> (No, the disk is faster than flash)
Mar 24 03:30:21 <alex_mayorga> but I don't know how big should it be to be useable
Mar 24 03:30:41 <alex_mayorga> let me bring that brick here
Mar 24 03:30:52 <alex_mayorga> :) thanks again on your time/patience
Mar 24 03:31:53 <mwester> The flash?  256MB is the minimum size to be able to unsling to the flash.
Mar 24 03:34:23 <mwester> The reason to format the drive as a FAT filesystem is because if the NSLU2 sees a drive that appears to be partitioned and formatted for an NSLU2, but is in some way incomplete or damaged, it has been known to lock up or refuse to format, or fail the boot.  By writing a FAT filesystem, we're ensuring that it won't lock up when we plug it in, and that it won't get confused when we ask it to...
Mar 24 03:34:25 <mwester> ...format the drive with its own (ext3) filesystems...
Mar 24 03:35:06 <alex_mayorga> oky
Mar 24 03:35:55 <mwester> When the format is done (a couple minutes or so for a quick format), plug the drive into the NSLU2 USB Port 1.
Mar 24 03:36:35 <mwester> Then go to the "Disks" administration page in the WEB gui, and see what it says about the disk -- does it recognize it?
Mar 24 03:37:03 <alex_mayorga> ok, will do that
Mar 24 03:38:10 <alex_mayorga> hod on, it doesnt look fine to me
Mar 24 03:38:26 <alex_mayorga> not even windows XP can recognize it
Mar 24 03:39:53 <alex_mayorga> "Volume information for this disk cannot be found. This may happen if the disk is a 1394 or a USB device on a Windows 2000 machine" ???
Mar 24 03:39:57 <alex_mayorga> how come
Mar 24 03:41:40 <alex_mayorga> I'm writting zeroes to the whole thing
Mar 24 03:42:11 <alex_mayorga> it'll take forever :(
Mar 24 03:42:32 <mwester> That's very odd indeed.  However, it could explain some things about the NSLU2 when you plug that drive into it, no?
Mar 24 03:42:59 <alex_mayorga> actually, it may be driving the poor little penguin nuts
Mar 24 03:43:01 <alex_mayorga> hehe
Mar 24 03:43:47 <alex_mayorga> mwester, what is yout TZ?
Mar 24 03:44:08 <mwester> I did come across a note that some vendors are now shipping drives that are not formatted at all (they always used to be a single large FAT filesystem) -- I wonder if your drive is one of those?   (and yes, that'll take some time to do.)   (CST here)
Mar 24 03:44:59 <alex_mayorga> this thing was actually FAT32 I believe, it had some google desktop stuff on it from the factory
Mar 24 03:45:26 <mwester> Uh-oh - then something wiped the volume info completely off.  That's not good.
Mar 24 03:45:27 <alex_mayorga> I should have wipped it out altogether before, please excuse my newbyness
Mar 24 03:46:23 <alex_mayorga> the stuff they put in there out of the box, may have somehow conflicted with the NSLU
Mar 24 03:46:35 <alex_mayorga> that's what I suspect
Mar 24 03:46:39 <mwester> No, a new drive from the manufacturer should be able to be plugged into the NSLU2 with no preparation at all.  The format to a FAT filesystem is a trick I've learned to use only when I suspect the drive might have a damaged or corrupted filesystem...
Mar 24 03:47:10 <alex_mayorga> no matter if the HD has some autorun stuff on it??
Mar 24 03:47:24 <mwester> It should have actually mounted it as a FAT filesystem, and the google software should have been readable.  The autorun stuff is ignored by Linux.
Mar 24 03:48:11 <alex_mayorga> I see, then this HD may bee the weak link in the chain hu?
Mar 24 03:49:01 <mwester> I'm beginning to suspect there may have been a little "hiccup" with it.  Let's see how it does right now, though.
Mar 24 03:51:18 <alex_mayorga> I'll take an hour, so I guess I'll contin with it tomorrow or the weekend
Mar 24 03:51:42 <mwester> Ok.  Here's the next steps, once the formatting is done.
Mar 24 03:51:51 <alex_mayorga> when it has been wipped I reformat to FAT and thn plug again ont the NSLU2 right?
Mar 24 03:52:13 <mwester> Connect drive to the NSLU2 - make sure the NSLU2 sees it in USB Port 1.
Mar 24 03:52:16 <alex_mayorga> shall I run an scandisk first or something?
Mar 24 03:52:33 <mwester> No scandisks; it's not formatted for the NSLU2 yet.
Mar 24 03:52:45 <alex_mayorga> by seeing you mean?
Mar 24 03:53:22 <mwester> Next is to format the drive from the NSLU2 Disk management web page.  Be patient, wait until it reports the drive as "formatted (ext3)".
Mar 24 03:53:50 <mwester> (By seeing I mean that the disks mangement web page should identify the drive as present in the status field)
Mar 24 03:54:27 <mwester> BTW - make sure you are logged in as root BEFORE you format that hard drive on the NSLU2!
Mar 24 03:54:56 <alex_mayorga> admin/admin ??
Mar 24 03:55:32 <alex_mayorga> quick question, the NSLU2 dropped my telnet/webinterface connection, is that normal??
Mar 24 03:55:39 <mwester> Once the format is complete, you should change the passwords using the "passwd" command, and copy the new passwd file into place (follow the README steps for that, or the wiki page, then use the "unsling disk1" command to unsling to the drive.  Then reboot; it should come up unslung if all went well.
Mar 24 03:56:30 <alex_mayorga> ok mwester, appreciated
Mar 24 03:56:57 <mwester> No, the admin/admin account is only for the web - you want "root/uNSLUng" -- and telnet will time out so you'll have to keep the connection open.  If you plug a formatted drive into the NSLU2,  (formatted meainng formatted by the NSLU2) the NSLU2 will use the passwd file on the drive, and we don't know that password.
Mar 24 03:57:02 <alex_mayorga> is it normal the the NSLU2 dies after a period of innactivity??
Mar 24 03:57:26 <mwester> No, the NSLU2 should not go to sleep or power off.
Mar 24 03:58:07 <alex_mayorga> then something really odd is with my NSLU2
Mar 24 03:58:34 <alex_mayorga> it still has 2 green leds, but I can't reach it anymore
Mar 24 03:58:57 <alex_mayorga> odd
Mar 24 03:59:06 <mwester> Are you sure your network is ok?
Mar 24 03:59:32 <alex_mayorga> I'm connected to that same network as of now
Mar 24 03:59:58 <alex_mayorga> but it's odd, giveen that the WRT54G never let it go down
Mar 24 04:00:14 <alex_mayorga> but this WRT54GC may be different
Mar 24 04:00:31 <alex_mayorga> on the other one it ran for over 24 hours without hiccups
Mar 24 04:00:41 <mwester> Ok.  There's no reason for the NSLU2 to change it's IP or to sleep or lockup on its own.  One of mine has run 24x7 for almost 6 months -- with a UPS to keep it running, it hasn't even shut down when the power has failed.
Mar 24 04:00:51 <alex_mayorga> what should I suspect from the rouuther??
Mar 24 04:01:18 <alex_mayorga> router
Mar 24 04:02:56 <mwester> I don't know - they aren't supposed to do "odd" things, but I've seen routers do strange things when they have other (misbehaving) devices on the network.  I had two cheap switches on my network that would cause my WRT54G to lock up.   And I don't trust anything with UPNP turned on, but that's just my personal bias; I'm sure it works fine for other folks.
Mar 24 04:03:32 <alex_mayorga> I;ve turned NPN in the router and the NSLU2 thouugh
Mar 24 04:04:02 <alex_mayorga> is there a way to determine NSLU2 MAC address?
Mar 24 04:07:11 <pahartik> alex_mayorga: various ways... "cat /proc/net/arp" on Linux workstation after communicating with it, use "ip addr" or "ifconfig" on NSLU2 itself...
Mar 24 04:07:36 <alex_mayorga> thanks pahartik
Mar 24 04:08:27 <alex_mayorga> I don't know if you read trail ^^, but do you know what can be making my NSLU to drop the connection
Mar 24 04:09:49 <pahartik> alex_mayorga: that happens when you connect it to switched network with DHCP server, instead of directly to workstation node?
Mar 24 04:10:52 <alex_mayorga> my WRT54GC has DHCP on, is that what yo mean?
Mar 24 04:11:01 <pahartik> alex_mayorga: if so, "DHCP client daemon" of some sort most probably does that...
Mar 24 04:13:59 <alex_mayorga> is that harmful?
Mar 24 04:15:33 <alex_mayorga> very odd, well anyway, thanks on your guidance
Mar 24 04:16:02 <alex_mayorga> I'll continue tomorrow after the HD has been reformat
Mar 24 04:17:55 <alex_mayorga> any diagnosis for a solid R/S green LED, solid E green LED and ping and webinterface time outs on unslug 5.5b
Mar 24 04:18:10 <alex_mayorga> no drives plugged
Mar 24 04:22:20 <alex_mayorga> please reply if you have ideas, thanks and good night
Mar 24 04:22:29 * alex_mayorga[A] is now away - Reason : sleep time
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