**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 10 09:59:56 2006 Apr 10 12:23:56 e Apr 10 12:24:04 oops :) Apr 10 13:02:12 Morning Apr 10 15:36:05 Can anyone here help me telnet into redboot? I am running an os x box on a wireless network, and cannot seem to connect to redboot Apr 10 15:36:35 ive tried running direct, and following the directions on the FAQ and howto's but cannot seem to get it to work Apr 10 15:39:25 doh Apr 10 15:40:09 so, can anyone offer any help on telnet to redboot? Apr 10 15:40:40 cut off auto-negotiation on the NIC on the mac Apr 10 15:40:53 how do i do that? Apr 10 15:41:03 that was the key to me being able to telnet into redboot from my wife's G5 Apr 10 15:41:12 it's under the network settings Apr 10 15:42:12 but be forewarned, I don't know anyone who has stated that it's easy to get into redboot from a mac Apr 10 15:42:12 did you have a direct connect, or should i be able to do this wirelessly? Apr 10 15:42:19 hrm Apr 10 15:42:25 maybe i ought to do it from my windows machine Apr 10 15:42:29 I did it wired - through a switch Apr 10 15:42:33 k Apr 10 15:42:41 yeah, it's much easier via a windows machine Apr 10 15:42:43 if i wired through my router would that be easier? Apr 10 15:43:32 the autonegotiation of a mac is evidently started for every thread/process that accesses the NIC - which causes enough of a delay that a Mac will miss the redboot window Apr 10 15:43:42 hrm Apr 10 15:44:06 but windows it's just a matter of setting the NIC to the right network and telnetting in on the correct port Apr 10 15:44:09 quick and easy Apr 10 15:44:25 i am going to do that then Apr 10 15:44:31 path of least resistance, right? Apr 10 15:44:32 ;P Apr 10 15:44:52 "least" resistance would be a serial mod... ;) Apr 10 15:44:55 ugh Apr 10 15:47:41 thanks for the help! Apr 10 15:47:50 even if i have to use my win machine now Apr 10 15:47:52 :( Apr 10 15:47:53 heh Apr 10 15:54:44 ByronT: it was easy to connect to Redboot from Macintosh... though I have not tried that from MacOS X, my Macintosh workstations only have Debian GNU/Linux installed... Apr 10 15:56:30 yeah, I was referring to an OS X mac Apr 10 15:56:53 the network stack implementation on OS X could be optimized.... Apr 10 15:59:01 ByronT: I had problems with network on MacOS X when I wanted several IP addresses on single network interface... but eventually figured out that turning off "automatic network locations" helped Apr 10 16:00:50 ByronT: until that it worked sort of unidirectionally... strange effects... Apr 10 16:04:41 yeah, I did the telnet into redboot from the wife's G5 as a test case... decided that that was just too much trouble (besides all of my slugs are serialized) Apr 10 16:05:02 and looking at it, it doesn't seem to be too complex to add a serial port Apr 10 16:05:17 especially since you can get the cables at radio shack Apr 10 16:06:03 maybe you can get the cables at radio shack Apr 10 16:06:21 future dial recalled most of their PL-2330 based cables Apr 10 16:07:06 damn Apr 10 16:07:12 I bought out 5 or 6 stores in this area that hadn't gotten around to shipping their cables back Apr 10 16:07:20 when was this? Apr 10 16:07:37 so I have extras (some already modded), some still in the original packaging Apr 10 16:07:57 hmmm, last July August maybe Apr 10 16:08:01 ugh Apr 10 16:08:28 you have PayPal? Apr 10 16:08:31 yeah Apr 10 16:08:44 how do i figure out if it is pl-2330 based? Apr 10 16:09:11 if they have the big dongle in the middle, it's more than likely a PL2303 chip Apr 10 16:09:25 most of the future dial cables out now have no dongle Apr 10 16:10:06 well, do you have an email address where i can reach you if they dont? I may just want to serialize the thing and not have to mess with the two second redboot window Apr 10 16:10:13 you want a working cable or one that you will mod.... Apr 10 16:10:26 byront@nslu2-linux.org will work Apr 10 16:10:49 whichever is cheaper/easier... it doesn't look difficult, and i am pretty handy with the soldering iron Apr 10 16:10:51 I even have 4 pin headers.... Apr 10 16:10:59 hrm Apr 10 16:11:08 i will definitely email you then if they don't have the cables Apr 10 16:11:36 im assuming they are USB Apr 10 16:11:58 I'll let you take a non-modded one and send you the wiring and pins, so all you have to do is to put it all together Apr 10 16:12:08 sounds good Apr 10 16:12:11 how much are you asking? Apr 10 16:12:54 I know that I (at least) paid $10.95 for the cables, call it $15 and I'll send you the cable and the parts Apr 10 16:13:03 (that includes shipping) Apr 10 16:13:38 so I'm not making anything off of it (other than cleaning out some room that my wife will be happy that I've done... :) ) Apr 10 16:14:18 :p Apr 10 16:14:36 for a cable that is already modded (and tested), I would ask $22 including shipping Apr 10 16:14:36 okay, let me swing by RS (its right across the street) and i will email you if i don't find anything Apr 10 16:15:02 or PM me in here - I would have to give you my PayPal address anyways.... Apr 10 16:15:06 okay Apr 10 16:15:11 you will be on for awhile then? Apr 10 16:15:23 until around 2:30 CST Apr 10 16:15:30 alrighty Apr 10 16:22:43 ah sweet! i was just looking through a junk parts bin for a second, and found an old pl2303 based usb-serial adapter, but it has the female adapter Apr 10 16:22:46 nice Apr 10 16:27:48 so if this has a serial port on it, what pins to i need to run the j2 connectors to on a serial port? Apr 10 17:02:39 the PL-2303 is used as a USB<-> serial converter - you mod the "phone" side of the cable to plug into the J2 port on the nslu2 Apr 10 17:03:20 you want the Tx of the Pl-2303 connected to Rx of the J2, Rx of the PL-2303 connected to Tx of J2, and ground to ground Apr 10 17:05:26 hrm Apr 10 17:06:10 this one that i have is supposed to be a legitimate serial connector, so i wonder which pins are tx/rx and ground? presumably just standard serial, right? Apr 10 17:07:55 rx2/tx3/gnd5 Apr 10 17:08:09 it's easier to just pop off the cover of the PL2303 and then use a multimeter and the PL2303 datasheet to make sure you connect the right connectors Apr 10 17:09:07 and i just went to RS, you are probably right... the ones they have now have a dongle in the middle, but they wanted like 24 dollars for them Apr 10 17:45:37 mika_ :) Apr 10 18:07:58 caplink811 :) Apr 10 20:49:57 /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 5011 Apr 10 20:50:16 janne5011, you should change your password Apr 10 20:53:37 true Apr 10 20:54:02 maybe to something like "janne" Apr 10 20:54:17 very true=) Apr 10 22:59:37 question about serializing the slug... i have a serial to usb converter, can i just hook the cables from j2 from the slug to the serial side, then hook it up to my box via usb? or is there a line level problem with that Apr 10 23:45:57 question about serializing the slug... i have a serial to usb converter, can i just hook the cables from j2 from the slug to the serial side, then hook it up to my box via usb? or is there a line level problem with that Apr 11 00:15:36 fonixz: Yes, you must consider the RS232 line levels. The serial port on the slug is 3.3 Volts max, most USB/Serial converters are higher voltage than that level. Apr 11 00:16:17 mwester: that's what i figured, hence the need for the level converter in the kits that are listed on the FAQ... i was hoping that i could get away a little easier Apr 11 00:16:20 :-P Apr 11 00:18:43 Probably not easier with a commercial USB/Serial converter. But it is easy with the cell-phone adaptors listed on the wiki -- they use the same chips as the commercial units, but most cell phones also use 3.3 V serial, so no converters are requried. Apr 11 00:19:36 yeah, i was discussing that with ByronT earlier... I am just going to buy one that he has with the cabling and whatnot Apr 11 00:20:11 Ok - that'll work. Just solder carefully! Apr 11 00:20:31 I think I can handle that part... it's the software part that I am trying to get a handle on Apr 11 00:20:40 good project for that Apr 11 00:20:41 heh Apr 11 00:21:48 I lack the equipment for such small work; now my development slug will reset whenever you wiggle the USB connector closest to the serial port pins. Probably easy to fix... Apr 11 00:24:21 yeah, you ought to just resolder everything... they have a few great soldering stations on ebay for less than 30 Apr 11 00:27:47 and on the plus side, random resets throw a little excitement into the mix! Apr 11 00:27:51 :P Apr 11 07:20:21 Hi, can someone answer me, or try to answer me a question? Apr 11 07:21:17 or at least, is anyone active? Apr 11 07:51:53 you could try asking your question so people can read it when they glance at irc Apr 11 07:56:17 sorry Apr 11 07:56:25 Right, my slug is unslung to 5.5 beta Apr 11 07:56:38 and the telnet diversion scripts ahve been set up and working Apr 11 07:57:06 the first time i booted it today, telnet wasn't working, i had to restart before it would allow me access (except if i started it manually) Apr 11 07:57:10 any reason why? Apr 11 07:58:02 nothing major, just out interest Apr 11 07:58:10 is it just a case of it didn't boot properly **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 11 09:59:57 2006