**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 14 09:59:57 2006 Apr 14 12:39:46 caplink811_log: you around? Apr 14 12:41:23 Are you after him specifically? Apr 14 12:42:40 he was going to translate a german article that explains how to set up a small ext3 partition on a hard drive so I can use another system for the rest of the disk Apr 14 12:43:47 oh Apr 14 12:44:22 I figured I'd rather use a small parition than to use the flash drive option Apr 14 12:44:28 ah ok Apr 14 12:44:44 my flash drive just went through the laundry for the second time, haha! still works tho :) Apr 14 12:44:45 my german isn't that good so can't really help Apr 14 12:44:48 lol Apr 14 12:44:56 i have 2 corsair flash voyagers Apr 14 12:45:05 they are supposedly washproof Apr 14 12:45:15 someone did some tests and they are nearly indestructablwe Apr 14 12:45:27 that's cool, I've got a sandisk micro cruiser Apr 14 12:45:46 k Apr 14 12:46:03 LaCie have released something called 'Orange# Apr 14 12:46:06 but I suppose they'd have to be wash proof because you know they'll be left in pockets Apr 14 12:46:08 in 6gb and 8gb sizes Apr 14 12:46:15 for rather cheap Apr 14 12:46:17 really? Apr 14 12:46:45 not a big fan of lacie though :( Apr 14 12:46:54 here in the UK they are £70 and £80 Apr 14 12:47:02 they are supposed to be good Apr 14 12:47:37 $122 and $140 Apr 14 12:47:38 ish Apr 14 12:47:53 I current;y have a lacie D2 and have had problems mounting it. It currently sits, waiting to be resold Apr 14 12:48:00 lol Apr 14 12:48:33 those ethernet mini disks? Apr 14 12:48:46 no, mine's firewire Apr 14 12:48:50 ah Apr 14 12:48:57 about 2 years old now Apr 14 12:49:08 well, i got an ethernet/usb one, and to get it to take large files i have to have it in ext3 for windows Apr 14 12:49:13 and have to use it in network Apr 14 12:49:22 ah Apr 14 12:49:27 if i put it on NTFS then i could only read over the network Apr 14 12:49:34 and i really wanted network rather than usb Apr 14 12:49:39 I guess I just don't want to be tied down to ext3 Apr 14 12:49:57 lol Apr 14 12:50:08 i need to find a proper use for my slug Apr 14 12:50:10 lol Apr 14 12:50:12 for instance, with my slug, I want to be able to unplug the drive and plug it directly into the windows machine when necessary Apr 14 12:50:18 ah Apr 14 12:50:26 so hence small linux partiton Apr 14 12:50:32 yes Apr 14 12:50:34 and rest FAT32 or NTFS or summat Apr 14 12:50:42 exactly Apr 14 12:50:47 oh Apr 14 12:50:56 im sure i have some software for mounting ext3 in windows... Apr 14 12:51:03 really? Apr 14 12:51:17 im sure i have Apr 14 12:51:24 let me have a search of my files Apr 14 12:51:29 ok, cool, thanks Apr 14 12:51:55 cause i know i only got it recently Apr 14 12:53:11 i have Apr 14 12:53:12 http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm Apr 14 12:53:19 its free by the looks of it Apr 14 12:54:18 'ext2 and ext3 support ' Apr 14 12:54:44 cool, thanks a lot Apr 14 12:54:54 no probs Apr 14 12:55:10 Wonder whether it would be worth posting it on the nslu2 site somewhere? Apr 14 12:55:18 or at least in the group Apr 14 12:55:22 I guess I'll go with a full ext3 then, should be faster right? Apr 14 12:55:39 i'd expect so Apr 14 12:55:41 with it being native Apr 14 12:55:55 my knowledge of linux is very minimal Apr 14 12:56:01 lol Apr 14 12:56:06 well, these are linux based boxes Apr 14 12:56:13 ext3 is a linux file system Apr 14 12:56:16 I know that much, heh Apr 14 12:56:19 so im presuming that it would be better Apr 14 12:56:20 lol Apr 14 12:56:48 let's say I know a little about linux, but never dealt with command lines, telnetting, bash promts, etc Apr 14 12:57:14 lo Apr 14 12:57:23 my first experience was setting up full samba and swat.... Apr 14 12:57:29 and creating new partitions.. Apr 14 12:57:45 mount hd's... Apr 14 12:58:00 I've done a little TiVo hacking with a linux boot disk, but I was following the instructions, so I didn't really learn anything Apr 14 12:58:42 lol Apr 14 12:58:47 I've also booted into Knoppix and Ubuntu for various reasons... like hard drive backups, swaps, etc Apr 14 12:59:06 yeah Apr 14 12:59:11 i need to find a use for my 2 slug's Apr 14 12:59:15 and need to unsling the 2nd one Apr 14 12:59:20 but i need a flash drive for it Apr 14 12:59:26 ah Apr 14 12:59:41 have you used a flash drive in your other one? Apr 14 12:59:43 and i want to make turbo slugs Apr 14 12:59:51 nope Apr 14 12:59:56 oh, yes Apr 14 13:00:02 sorry, in my current on 6.8 i have Apr 14 13:00:09 curious as to the life of the drive and any problems Apr 14 13:00:38 no problems so far Apr 14 13:00:45 but i aint really used it for ought Apr 14 13:01:23 I'm looking to set of virtual hosting on my slug, as well as a print server Apr 14 13:01:47 i wanted to use mine for cups also, but ended up using my win 2k3 server Apr 14 13:01:54 as cups dont have support for my printer Apr 14 13:02:09 what printer do you have? Apr 14 13:02:25 Samsun ML-1610 Apr 14 13:02:29 they have other similar ones Apr 14 13:02:33 ah, I've got an HP Apr 14 13:02:42 where do I go to see if it's compatible? Apr 14 13:04:15 http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi Apr 14 13:04:52 article: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddPrinter Apr 14 13:05:29 whats the virtual hosting? Apr 14 13:06:22 hosting multiple domains Apr 14 13:06:58 ok, whats the packagE? Apr 14 13:07:25 saw it here: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/VirtualHostingWithTHTTPD Apr 14 13:07:52 wow, at first my series of printer was listed under "Paperweight" :-\ Apr 14 13:08:22 then I scrolled down and there are tons of PhotoSmarts listed, just gotta see what my model number is Apr 14 13:09:07 lol Apr 14 13:09:08 purefusion, doesn't this applies only if you want to print from a linux box to that printer? Apr 14 13:09:49 evildevil, is that right? is there another page that's just for CUPS? Apr 14 13:10:02 no the samba element allows you to print from windows Apr 14 13:10:20 that page is all about setting it up on the slug Apr 14 13:10:37 To print from Windows, you may configure Samba as print server as described below. Recent versions of Windows are also able to access CUPS without Samba. You just add a new network printer and enter your printer URL (e.g. http://192.168.1.77:631/printers/hp990c) in the provided "URL" edit field. When prompted for the driver installation, simply select the appropriate driver for your printer. This i Apr 14 13:10:37 s the easiest way for you to print from Windows. Apr 14 13:12:37 i thought you could simply set it up as RAW and use the windows driver to print to it. Using p910nd at least Apr 14 13:13:25 maybe, i dunno, i've never done it Apr 14 13:14:14 I'll find out this weekend I suppose Apr 14 13:16:32 yeah Apr 14 13:17:12 my slug has been sitting around for the past month or two because I've been so busy! Apr 14 13:18:03 lol Apr 14 13:19:11 what is reccommended for usb hubs Apr 14 13:19:11 ? Apr 14 13:19:18 I do web design and I've just been swamped Apr 14 13:19:42 well, loadsa work is better than none Apr 14 13:20:09 So true! I'm not complaining ;) ...but I have no excuse this weekend to take an hour or two and just go for it... Apr 14 13:20:20 cool Apr 14 13:21:08 i think ill make one of the slugs into a Apache MySQL and PHP Apr 14 13:21:54 and then CUPS when i can Apr 14 13:21:57 and the other... Apr 14 13:22:37 you gonna re overclock your slug? Apr 14 13:29:26 not sure yet Apr 14 13:29:42 I'm thinking about it though... just wanna make sure it works right Apr 14 13:29:47 why do you need a password for this site? http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/USBHubs?action=approvesites Apr 14 13:29:57 well, it only makes it run slightly warmer Apr 14 13:30:33 true, but my apartment does heat up in the summer, I don't run the AC Apr 14 13:31:08 so between the heat and the whining of my hot computers, I'll debate it when I feel it's necessary Apr 14 13:31:10 :) Apr 14 13:31:45 yeah Apr 14 13:32:28 well, im sure it would be ok anyway Apr 14 13:32:36 and 1 or 2 C difference aint a lot Apr 14 13:32:45 I've heard some people have turned their slugs into TiVos... I'm really curious on this one. Apr 14 13:33:09 really? Apr 14 13:33:19 well, they are very 'hackable' Apr 14 13:33:25 yep Apr 14 13:33:34 as long as you know what you're doing, haha Apr 14 13:34:42 lol Apr 14 13:35:22 im just looking at usb hubs Apr 14 13:35:31 not sure why, cause i dont know what i would attach Apr 14 13:35:38 I saw a page on it a while back, not sure where though Apr 14 13:37:19 k Apr 14 13:39:37 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/USBHubs Apr 14 13:40:04 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/UsingAUSBHub Apr 14 13:45:57 yeah Apr 14 13:46:00 i've seen them Apr 14 13:46:15 thanks anyway Apr 14 13:46:27 np Apr 14 13:48:39 what should i use it for...? Apr 14 13:48:40 lol Apr 14 14:35:18 purefusion, ping? Apr 14 14:48:16 yo Apr 14 14:48:56 sorry, for my deletion, but i'd forgot an appointment with my parents today :( Apr 14 14:49:24 no problem Apr 14 15:35:02 my internet connection gets dc after a period of innactivity - so how can i set up the nslu2 to ping something on the internet (say google.com) every 5mins (for example) Apr 14 15:36:05 my linux knowledge is limited Apr 14 15:36:16 but i think i need to write a bash script and then exectue it with a cron job? Apr 14 15:37:06 but i have no idea how to do either, or to check whether it's doing what i think it is doing Apr 14 15:38:17 Lunar_Lamp: do you mean that TCP connections get closed quietly after idle timeout (as in "NAT effect"), or that IP address changes and route disappears... or something else? Apr 14 15:39:59 er, after a period of innactivity on the connection, the isp disconects, and i have to login to the router to reconnect to the internet Apr 14 15:40:12 afaik, if the connection is utilised then it is not disconected Apr 14 15:41:22 (ip address does change when i reconnect, yes) Apr 14 15:43:05 Lunar_Lamp: for example... very simple Bourne shell loop: 'sh -c "while sleep 300 ; do ping -c 1 127.0.0.1 ; done" &> /dev/null' Apr 14 15:43:32 the default shell is ash i think - will it translate exactly? Apr 14 15:44:10 that pings 127.0.0.1 - i assme you just put that in as a random ip, not the one intended to be used Apr 14 15:44:16 (or i am realy mising something!) Apr 14 15:44:20 Lunar_Lamp: could be started from "crontab" at "@reboot" or from "/etc/inittab" so it gets started by "init" Apr 14 15:44:56 Lunar_Lamp: it is example... feel free to adjust IP address and other things :) Apr 14 15:45:01 sorry, i think you need to take me through the steps a bit slower - ive never written a shell script nor used crontab before Apr 14 15:46:32 so i just do "vi", type in the line you posted above edited for ip adddress, (sh -c "while sleep 300 ; do ping -c 1 127.0.0.1 ; done" &> /dev/null), and that will loop consantly till it reboots Apr 14 15:46:33 ? Apr 14 15:46:34 Lunar_Lamp: would most probably make sense to use numeric IP address and ping nearest router on the other side of uplink, to avoid DNS queries and extra network traffic... Apr 14 15:46:56 ok, so you say i should ping my ISPs server? Apr 14 15:47:50 Lunar_Lamp: do you know how to use "vi"? Apr 14 15:48:02 a little, not used it in a while (year or so) Apr 14 15:48:12 so i cant reember all the commands Apr 14 15:49:25 but where would i save the script to? Apr 14 15:49:39 Lunar_Lamp: what happens if you try "crontab -e"? Apr 14 15:50:16 no such file ordirectory Apr 14 15:50:26 (im assuming you mean in the ssh i hve open to my nslu2) Apr 14 15:50:49 Lunar_Lamp: system you want to run that loop on... Apr 14 15:51:05 yeah - Apr 14 15:51:11 i get "no such file or directory Apr 14 15:51:27 [\u@\h \W]$ crontab -e Apr 14 15:51:27 crontab: No such file or directory Apr 14 15:54:30 Lunar_Lamp: is it running OpenSlug firmware? Apr 14 15:54:41 hmm Apr 14 15:54:42 [\u@\h \W]$ ps aux | grep crond Apr 14 15:54:42 408 root 1296 S /usr/sbin/crond Apr 14 15:54:42 678 ttyp0 root 2700 S grep crond Apr 14 15:55:04 Version: V2.3R29-uNSLUng-5.5-beta Apr 14 15:55:09 unslung Apr 14 15:57:46 Lunar_Lamp: create crontab entry like this: '@reboot sh -c "while sleep 300 ; do ping -c 1 127.0.0.1 ; done" &> /dev/null' Apr 14 15:58:01 could you explain to me what that does? Apr 14 15:58:14 that creates crontab? Apr 14 15:58:26 and puts the entry in telling it ping 127... every 300 seconds? Apr 14 15:58:33 and it will reload the script on every boot? Apr 14 15:58:40 Lunar_Lamp: it is supposed to start that loop at boot-up... Apr 14 15:59:54 it says: Apr 14 16:00:08 [\u@\h \W]$ @reboot sh -c "while sleep 300 ; do ping -c 195.166.128.64 ; done" & > /dev/null Apr 14 16:00:08 @reboot: No such file or directory Apr 14 16:00:52 Lunar_Lamp: since "crontab -e" does not start editor with current crontab for ${USER}, you have to figure out where "crond" expects to read crontab entries from Apr 14 16:01:06 ok, that makes sense Apr 14 16:01:08 /etc/crontab Apr 14 16:01:11 how do i do it though? Apr 14 16:01:24 Lunar_Lamp: use editor... Apr 14 16:02:10 is the only one, that a unslung system use Apr 14 16:02:19 s/a/an/ Apr 14 16:02:20 caplink811_log meant: is the only one, thant a unslung system use Apr 14 16:03:21 ok, im sorry, but i am now lost Apr 14 16:03:39 i understand that all unslung systems use /etc/crontab for their crond Apr 14 16:03:43 but how does that now help me? Apr 14 16:03:51 caplink811_log: maybe you can also tell if that "crond" supports "@reboot"? Apr 14 16:04:41 dunno, but to be sure, use a startscript like /opt/etc/init.d/S99mycommandgoeshere, and chmod 755 it Apr 14 16:06:58 i dont understand Apr 14 16:07:07 im sorry, im trying here, bu tmy linux knowledge is sparse Apr 14 16:07:21 caplink811_log: damn, I always get lost with those numeric permissions... I suppose it just means "a+x" or "ugo+x" (not exactly, as this only changes "execute" permission flags)... Apr 14 16:07:52 777 the latter is Apr 14 16:08:04 that's okm, too Apr 14 16:08:11 Lunar_Lamp: there is nothing really Linux-specific in this, we are talking about plain Unix system so far... Apr 14 16:08:13 s/okm/ok/ Apr 14 16:08:14 caplink811_log meant: that's ok, too Apr 14 16:08:36 pahartik - lol - im a windows migrant to linux, not a unix to linux Apr 14 16:09:08 Lunar_Lamp: at least you are heading to good direction Apr 14 16:12:22 so, er, i have no idea what to do now Apr 14 16:12:46 i feel like ive been given the answer, but i have no idea how to interpret what has been given to me Apr 14 16:13:03 Lunar_Lamp: put that crontab entry to file where "crond" reads them from Apr 14 16:13:20 (like a roman engineer given the schematic to a nuclear bomb and asking what a screwdriver is) Apr 14 16:14:03 Lunar_Lamp: I have been told that it is drink of some kind Apr 14 16:14:55 so, crond reads from /etc/crontab - so i edit that file (vi /etc/crontab) and put in: " @reboot sh -c "while sleep 300 ; do ping -c 195.166.128.64 ; done" & > /dev/null" - but how do i sort out the "@reboot" parameter that was rejected last time? or was that just because it was supposed to be put in crontab, not on the command line? Apr 14 16:16:52 Lunar_Lamp: you do not know if it was "rejected" you just tried to run it on shell as command "@reboot" with additional parameters, and that is not surprising if such command was not found along ${PATH} Apr 14 16:17:11 ok Apr 14 16:17:20 so i was correct in thinking what to do? Apr 14 16:18:58 Lunar_Lamp: yes, append it to "/etc/crontab"... Apr 14 16:19:05 just at the end? Apr 14 16:19:17 and i can ignore all the timing system it uses with the colums? Apr 14 16:21:06 Lunar_Lamp: that entry uses "@reboot" instead of specifying time on five fields... Apr 14 16:21:12 ok Apr 14 16:22:17 hmm - how do i exit "insert mode" in vi? i can't remember - im sure it was something like :q! Apr 14 16:22:29 Lunar_Lamp: Apr 14 16:23:07 :qw = exit saving changes? Apr 14 16:23:38 :wq - found it! Apr 14 16:23:44 Lunar_Lamp: ":w" to write file... Apr 14 16:24:00 so how do i check if that is running now? Apr 14 16:24:10 do i need to reboot the slug to initialise the script? Apr 14 16:25:18 Lunar_Lamp: you do not need to reboot, just tell "crond" to reload... Apr 14 16:25:32 how do i do that? Apr 14 16:25:33 heh Apr 14 16:26:48 Lunar_Lamp: on Debian I would "sudo /etc/init.d/cron reload"... Apr 14 16:27:03 would a reboot work? Apr 14 16:27:16 kill -2 `pidof crond` Apr 14 16:27:18 (its not an issue to reboot - nothing else running at the moment) Apr 14 16:27:43 cap - are those ` or '? Apr 14 16:27:53 i assme ` - but never seen them used before Apr 14 16:28:14 ignore me Apr 14 16:28:15 backtick it is Apr 14 16:28:24 i wasnt reading Apr 14 16:28:29 Lunar_Lamp: if you have to ask, you have got unfriendly font... Apr 14 16:28:31 i thought you were giving me the exact command Apr 14 16:29:22 [\u@\h \W]$ ps aux | grep crond Apr 14 16:29:22 408 root 1296 S /usr/sbin/crond Apr 14 16:29:22 706 ttyp0 root 2700 S grep crond Apr 14 16:29:22 [\u@\h \W]$ kill -2 408 Apr 14 16:29:25 that was correct? Apr 14 16:30:01 ehich works too Apr 14 16:30:08 which Apr 14 16:30:53 ok - so how do i check that the nslu2 is pinging the server? Apr 14 16:32:01 Lunar_Lamp: ah, actually, since it was defined to only be executed on "@reboot", it at least restarting of "crond" is probably required Apr 14 16:32:18 lol Apr 14 16:32:24 ill just reboot the system Apr 14 16:34:41 Lunar_Lamp: I do not like downtime... Apr 14 16:36:19 nah, i understand Apr 14 16:36:25 but "reboot" worked Apr 14 16:36:37 and it was simplest solution with no negative! Apr 14 16:36:51 how do i check if the ping is being sent then? Apr 14 16:38:07 Lunar_Lamp: have you got that loop running? should show up with "ps"... Apr 14 16:39:09 ok Apr 14 16:39:52 what shoud it show up as Apr 14 16:39:58 my ps looks a bit crazy to me Apr 14 16:40:04 but i dont know what ps should look like Apr 14 16:42:22 Lunar_Lamp: "sh -c 'while sleep [...]" Apr 14 16:44:29 [\u@\h \W]$ ps | grep sh Apr 14 16:44:29 5 root 0 S [bdflush] Apr 14 16:44:29 57 ttyS0 root 1916 S /bin/sh Apr 14 16:44:29 455 root 3188 S /opt/sbin/sshd Apr 14 16:44:29 487 root 5796 S sshd: root@ttyp0 Apr 14 16:44:30 489 ttyp0 root 1928 S -sh Apr 14 16:44:32 529 ttyp0 root 2700 S grep sh Apr 14 16:44:34 doesnt look like its worked to me Apr 14 16:46:54 Lunar_Lamp: yes, did probably not work yet then Apr 14 16:47:10 any idea what went wrong? Apr 14 16:49:02 Lunar_Lamp: I would check logfiles for what cron says about it... Apr 14 16:49:24 Lunar_Lamp: ...for what "crond" says about it... Apr 14 16:50:01 er Apr 14 16:50:05 how do i do that? Apr 14 16:53:58 Lunar_Lamp: "/var/log/" and pager? Apr 14 16:55:37 [\u@\h \W]$ cd /var/log Apr 14 16:55:37 [\u@\h \W]$ ls Apr 14 16:55:37 DEFHOSTNAME messages messages.old samba server.log Apr 14 16:57:46 Lunar_Lamp: "crond" log entries might show up on those files Apr 14 16:59:00 <78>Apr 14 16:38:00 cron[408]: loading crontab file /etc/crontab Apr 14 16:59:00 <75>Apr 14 16:38:00 cron[408]: crontab has malformed input line 10 Apr 14 17:01:15 and line 10 is the line i inserted Apr 14 17:01:17 Lunar_Lamp: so, that "crond" does not understand "@reboot" or there was some other problem, if that entry is on line 10 of that file Apr 14 17:03:00 [17:13] dunno, but to be sure, use a startscript like /opt/etc/init.d/S99mycommandgoeshere, and chmod 755 it Apr 14 17:03:03 what was that about? Apr 14 17:03:11 i think caplink was talking about the reboot thing at the time Apr 14 17:04:21 Lunar_Lamp: you could try editing again, adding another crontab entry with five fields of time specification and Bourne shell loop stripped away from around "ping -c 1 " Apr 14 17:04:51 erm, that makes sense Apr 14 17:04:55 but i dont know how to do it Apr 14 17:06:07 Lunar_Lamp: caplink811_log suggested yet another approach for starting loop... Apr 14 17:06:11 what i meant was, make a new file e.g. /opt/etc/init.d/S99myscript edit it, and fill in the comand you want, so like thisone http://pastebin.com/659889 Apr 14 17:06:21 what i meant was, make a new file e.g. /opt/etc/init.d/S99myscript edit it, and fill in the comand you want, so like thisone http://pastebin.com/659889 Apr 14 17:07:05 chmod the script so that is executable chmod 755 S99myscript Apr 14 17:07:06 Lunar_Lamp: see "man 5 crontab" to get idea about how to create crontab entry Apr 14 17:08:59 cap - that seems awfully simple, heh Apr 14 17:09:11 why the directory /opt/etc/init.d though? Apr 14 17:13:04 all scripts in this directory (filename must begins with an capital S followed by a number between 01 and 99) will execute at startup Apr 14 17:13:20 ok :-) Apr 14 17:13:21 thanks Apr 14 17:16:01 i assume 99 means it will load last Apr 14 17:20:00 yes Apr 14 17:21:04 thanks for the help Apr 14 17:21:08 i gotta run for dinner Apr 14 17:21:56 481 root 1912 S sh -c while sleep 300 ; do ping -c 195.166. Apr 14 17:21:57 woot Apr 14 17:21:59 running ps Apr 14 19:02:35 * Wegg pokes Reedy_Boy Apr 14 19:16:47 anyone who know, if a synoloy formatted USB disk, can be moved to NSLU2 without formatting it ?? Apr 14 19:18:52 sluttge: depends much on what kind of system is runnin on Linksys NSLU2... Apr 14 19:19:14 as a data disk, just try it, if it is recognised by the slug than it is ok. Apr 14 19:19:37 the slug doesn't format anything automagically Apr 14 19:21:22 Nslu running 5.5beta Apr 14 19:23:07 i´ll try to switch drives later... I think that the NSLU is far better than my Synology... Apr 14 19:23:32 When it is formatted with NTFS things don't work all that well. Thats what I tried first when I first plugged my slug in. Apr 14 19:24:29 * pahartik remains quiet, only knowing that OpenSlug or Linux are nowhere near version 5.5 Apr 14 19:27:24 Wegg - Did you read my messages? Apr 14 19:27:27 Wegg, whcih firmware version do you use? Apr 14 19:27:41 well i formatted with synology format - ie. ext3!? Apr 14 19:27:41 he only unslung the other day Apr 14 19:31:34 When I plugged in the NTFS drive it was with the stock Linksys firmware. Apr 14 19:32:15 ah, ok Apr 14 19:32:45 Unslung firmware can only automatically mount specially-partitioned, formatted,and populated ext3 disks; you can mount an ordinary ext3 disk manually (but you cannot unsling to it, and you cannot have it automatically shared via samba) Apr 14 19:33:34 Unslung knows about the standard Linux ext2 and ext3 filesystem formats... Apr 14 19:34:20 mwester : ok... then i´ll move the 250 GB of data... and reformat the drive Apr 14 19:35:29 What a pain, huh? It would be nice if we could find a way to remove that limitation (it's not that hard) but we don't have source to the linksys utilities to do so. Apr 14 19:37:15 Hello marceln Apr 14 19:37:22 Hi Apr 14 19:37:35 Congratulations with the release Apr 14 19:38:26 Thanks - and congratulation to you too -- you helped out as well! Apr 14 19:39:47 Have any of you ever been able to run bitchx? Apr 14 19:40:13 I have installed it using the ipkg web frontend but. . . I haven't got a clue how to launch it once its installed. :-( Apr 14 19:40:37 On my other unix box I just type in BitchX and it starts. Apr 14 19:41:05 Are you able to log into the slug? Apr 14 19:41:48 yes Apr 14 19:42:38 Wegg: let me guess... "which bx"? Apr 14 19:42:58 ? Apr 14 19:43:21 1.1-final-1 Apr 14 19:44:09 Wegg: Have you updated the ipkg-web? Apr 14 19:44:17 yes Apr 14 19:44:21 cool Apr 14 19:44:21 works great Apr 14 19:44:24 good Apr 14 19:45:38 im off to play some games Apr 14 19:46:11 Wegg: what actually happens if you try "/opt/bin/BitchX"? Apr 14 19:47:07 how did you know to type that? Apr 14 19:48:30 Wegg: that was just based on guess after looking at "http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org/details.php?package=bitchx&official=&format=", I have only used OpenSlug... Apr 14 19:49:12 BitchX clarke.freenode.net Apr 14 19:49:13 BitchX - Based on EPIC Software Labs epic ircII (1998). Apr 14 19:49:13 Version (BitchX-1.1-final) -- Date (20040326). Apr 14 19:49:16 .... Apr 14 19:49:31 It looks like it works normal Apr 14 19:50:34 Wegg: maybe "/opt/bin/" is not on your "${PATH}"... Apr 14 19:50:53 Do you use "telnet" or "ssh" to login? Apr 14 19:50:54 it says "You do not have a TERM environment variable. Apr 14 19:50:55 I think all will be happier if one would use "OpenSSH" instead of telnet. Apr 14 19:51:03 So we'll be running in dumb mode. . . Apr 14 19:51:21 OpenSSH takes care of things like PATH and other important environment settings... Apr 14 19:51:26 And, it's secure! Apr 14 19:51:29 Telnet doesn't setup the correct enveroment. Apr 14 19:51:34 ok Apr 14 19:51:41 * mwester does NOT like telnet at all! Apr 14 19:52:05 so if I install openssh it should work? Apr 14 19:52:43 not necessarily - but if it doesn't work it won't be because of simple PATH problems... Apr 14 19:53:53 Telnet is to terminal emulation software as the stone tablet and chisel is to writing... Apr 14 19:54:54 ipkg install openssh Apr 14 19:54:58 does it all... Apr 14 19:55:12 I'm using that web ipkg manager Apr 14 19:56:01 Openssh should be in the list Apr 14 19:56:34 I'm copying lots of files. . . so its slow Apr 14 19:57:18 You'll need a proper SSH client for your PC. I use this one; works great: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html Apr 14 19:57:24 Thats probably my 1 complaint. Speed. Apr 14 19:57:33 putty won't work? Apr 14 19:57:41 Why not? Apr 14 19:57:41 oh that is putty Apr 14 19:57:43 he he Apr 14 19:57:45 sorry Apr 14 19:57:52 Oh you already have it! Apr 14 19:58:09 he he Apr 14 19:59:54 I don't think it installed right Apr 14 19:59:55 :-( Apr 14 20:00:25 You can always remove one resistor:) Apr 14 20:00:36 already did Apr 14 20:00:43 266mhz baby! Apr 14 20:00:47 But. . . its still slow Apr 14 20:01:27 Bye. Apr 14 20:01:38 I have to leave to change trains. Apr 14 20:01:47 your on a train? Apr 14 20:01:53 Yes. Apr 14 20:02:45 Running over very slow gprs. Apr 14 20:03:03 800 ms response time is normal Apr 14 20:06:22 ITS WORKING! Apr 14 20:06:24 Sweet! Apr 14 20:07:02 h aha! Apr 14 20:07:18 I'm on IRC with what I thought was just a NAS! Apr 14 20:07:21 This rules! Apr 14 20:07:29 * Wegg__ waves Apr 14 20:07:48 Wegg: good for you Apr 14 20:07:55 :-) Apr 14 20:13:27 I think Linksys probably thought they built just a NAS, too. :) Apr 14 20:14:53 having fun Wegg Apr 14 20:15:09 I am Apr 14 20:15:19 I can install the Xvid codec to my slug Apr 14 20:15:26 why the bloody hell would I want to dot hat!?! Apr 14 22:35:14 hello all Apr 14 22:41:41 Are any of you guys Java smart? Apr 14 22:45:37 I work with some java Apr 14 22:45:53 maybe you get lucky Apr 14 22:47:18 I'm trying to print from a Java applet. Apr 14 22:47:31 Wegg, what did you use to get it working? Apr 14 22:47:42 get what working? Apr 14 22:47:51 BitchX? Apr 14 22:48:09 I manually installed ssh instead of using that web tool. Apr 14 22:48:19 Then when it had SSH bitchX worked. Apr 14 22:48:29 and we all lived happily ever after. :-) Apr 14 22:51:28 would a System.out.println work for you? Apr 14 22:52:01 Well I have something that is working. . . but I don't understand how to tweak it. Apr 14 22:52:22 Right now it is generating a 2D image of the window and just sending that to the printer at 72dpi Apr 14 22:52:36 Let me show you. . . Apr 14 22:53:14 http://j.bebin.free.fr/ImagesTDT/Print.gif Apr 14 22:53:32 Like I said it is working Apr 14 22:53:43 I just need it to be a little smarter. Apr 14 22:54:08 Right now it crops the image it creates. :-( Apr 14 22:55:13 Right at the top it says "private final double INCH = 72;" but . . . when I tweak that number it doesn't do anything. Apr 14 22:55:23 what are you triying to acomplish here? Apr 14 22:56:01 I'm developing a "tool" for a client that allows them to take a little test. . . and it tells them if they are healthy or not. Apr 14 22:56:14 http://www.eggington.net/HealthRight/index.html Apr 14 22:56:32 Its working out well but. . . now the client wants me to give them the option of printing their results. Apr 14 22:57:00 Which. . . considering the presentation is landscape. . . and most printers default to portrait. . . is causing me headaques. Apr 14 22:57:09 headaches. Apr 14 22:58:57 My client thinks they can do it in Flash and have me output all the data from my tool through javascript. Apr 14 22:59:04 Holly crap that sounds complicated. Apr 14 22:59:30 http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/ Apr 14 22:59:38 may be worth a look Apr 14 23:01:57 or Batik Apr 14 23:02:26 is this the NSLU2 channel right? Apr 14 23:02:27 looks cool. But I think that is for formatting PDF, PCL, PS, SVG, XML, AWT, MIF and TXT. Not a Java window Apr 14 23:02:31 but. . . I could be wrong. Apr 14 23:03:00 Ibelieve creating a PDF would be the best way to go for you Apr 14 23:03:18 then giving it to them for printing Apr 14 23:03:39 is the only way to make your formatting prevail Apr 14 23:03:52 that´s why I thought of FOP Apr 14 23:04:15 IMHO Apr 14 23:05:13 can anyone help mefigure out why a given NSLU2 is working in a WRT54G but not on a WRT54GC?? Apr 14 23:06:07 It also assumes that they have Adobe Acrobat installed. Apr 14 23:06:20 FOP It is a Java-based application that reads a formatting object tree and then turns it into a PDF document or outputs directly to the printer. Apr 14 23:06:22 Ooo I have a 54G Apr 14 23:06:50 Just got it a few days ago Apr 14 23:06:57 very happy with it. Apr 14 23:07:04 what does the GC do? Apr 14 23:07:12 the good ol purple-blue one? Apr 14 23:07:26 * Wegg nods Apr 14 23:07:32 Got it the same day as the Slug Apr 14 23:07:39 Was sick of my setup. Apr 14 23:08:52 Problem here is I have the GC and it looks like the NSLU would drop connection when plugged to it in about 3 minutes Apr 14 23:09:06 works just fine for days in the 54G Apr 14 23:09:18 very, very strange and anoying Apr 14 23:09:27 :-( Apr 14 23:09:44 I don't have mine plugged into the wireless router Apr 14 23:10:02 Mine is way back in another room and the router is out in my garage. Apr 14 23:10:03 how´s your setup Apr 14 23:10:25 its. . . 2 switches away from the wireless router. Apr 14 23:10:26 :-) Apr 14 23:10:37 * Wegg has a lot of shit Apr 14 23:10:48 not that many networking hardware here Apr 14 23:11:01 I´m in a 2 room appartment Apr 14 23:11:11 ahh Apr 14 23:11:21 the GC cover the ¨whole property¨ Apr 14 23:11:43 The G? Apr 14 23:11:49 its for my wife. Apr 14 23:11:59 and her computer is just upstairs from the router so. . . it works just fine. Apr 14 23:12:02 the G is at moms house Apr 14 23:12:22 I don't have a laptop Apr 14 23:12:45 I brought the NSLU the other day just to see if it worked and it did without a glitch the whole weekend Apr 14 23:13:29 but ack in the appartment connected to the GC it drops connection in no time and becomes unresponsive Apr 14 23:13:43 bad cable? Apr 14 23:15:50 same cable on both tests Apr 14 23:16:14 I actually dropped a message in the mailing list regarding that Apr 14 23:17:11 there is a mailing list? Apr 14 23:21:56 yep Apr 14 23:22:20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-general/ Apr 14 23:22:59 I guess some Ethereal would be in order here Apr 14 23:31:22 I hate when clients assume you have Word. Apr 14 23:31:24 :-( Apr 14 23:32:43 CrossOver Office Apr 14 23:33:25 You would look very unprofessional if you wern't able to open a word document... IMO Apr 14 23:35:07 OpenOffice Apr 14 23:38:37 its all formatted oddly. Apr 14 23:39:32 I refuse to pay Microsoft $400 for a word processor Apr 14 23:40:17 Abiword kind of opened it. Apr 14 23:40:22 Damn Microsoft Apr 14 23:46:29 my understanding is that OpenOffice would open whatever Office file you throw at it Apr 14 23:46:50 I'll try it Apr 14 23:55:43 It can't see the special notes either Apr 15 00:07:36 Snider: if someone sends me some document in proprietary format that any reasonable open source software cannot open, it is not worth reading... if it is supposedly important, I will reply to ask for copy of document as plain text or whatever applicable format... Apr 15 00:09:21 agree to pahartik Apr 15 00:10:45 When your talking business tho Apr 15 00:12:13 It should be extra important for business people to not use proprietary formats. They just can't predict what the person on the other end is going to have. Apr 15 00:12:44 This is taking me twice as long to do now that I can't just copy/paste the text in. And you had better believe I'm billing them for that extra time. Apr 15 00:13:03 You are the person on the other end, therefore your more prepared if you had word Apr 15 00:13:40 If I was wanting to do business with you & I sent you a spec done in word / project / whatever and you could not open the document, I would go to someone else Apr 15 00:13:54 My wife has word. I couldn't even open it with that! I would have had to have the VERY VERY VERY latest word. Apr 15 00:14:13 Then I would accept that Apr 15 00:14:30 accept that I couldn't open it because I didn't have the latest Word? Apr 15 00:15:00 Yea, I would accept that you couldn't open it and go out of my way to fix it Apr 15 00:15:35 Because I'm in the "Word" club? Apr 15 00:15:37 Thats stupid. Apr 15 00:15:59 plain text is always better dn´t you think? Apr 15 00:16:02 I don't use word myself :-) Apr 15 00:16:15 I don't mind a bit of formatting. . . or PDF. Apr 15 00:16:27 .doc would be fine if there were a free reader. Apr 15 00:16:34 There is Apr 15 00:16:38 and it runs under wine Apr 15 00:16:42 there is? Apr 15 00:16:48 where? Apr 15 00:16:53 hold on Apr 15 00:17:06 http://www.frankscorner.org/index.php?p=wordviewer2003 Apr 15 00:18:10 http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=95E24C87-8732-48D5-8689-AB826E7B8FDF&displaylang=en Apr 15 00:18:21 * Wegg tries it Apr 15 00:18:38 Yea, i'm giving it a try too Apr 15 00:19:29 They have them for powerpoint & project/visio too I believe Apr 15 00:19:45 Seems to be installing with wine Apr 15 00:19:49 Well I'll be damned. That works. Apr 15 00:20:11 it still won't allow me to copy/paste but at least I can see it in its proper format. Apr 15 00:20:15 Thanks Snider. Apr 15 00:21:08 Yep it would be nice if they gave copy & paste Apr 15 00:25:04 Hmm, I can copy/paste Apr 15 00:26:21 is that with the m$ viewer under wine? Apr 15 00:26:55 Yep Apr 15 00:27:30 Then again, my office 2003 doc wasn't formatted strangely, that could be the problem Apr 15 00:33:04 its some copy protection embedded in the .doc Apr 15 00:33:14 I can print. . . but I can't edit or copy/paste Apr 15 00:34:00 yes, that{s the new ¨feature¨ you can´t print if they don´t let you Apr 15 00:34:12 same for c&p Apr 15 00:34:33 they´ve put some kind of DRM stuff in lattest office Apr 15 00:34:55 seems to be working on you huh? Apr 15 00:34:57 thats what I'm fighting with. Apr 15 00:35:00 yup Apr 15 00:35:11 try snag it Apr 15 00:35:28 it shoulw copy paste whatever is readable in your screen Apr 15 00:35:38 kind of ORC for monitors Apr 15 00:36:03 http://www.techsmith.com/ Apr 15 00:36:06 I'm already 3/4 of the way through just typing it on by hand. Apr 15 00:39:31 text capture in snag-it is just awesome Apr 15 00:39:49 mightbe whort if you´ll be getting lots of pages in that format Apr 15 00:42:20 * Wegg nods Apr 15 00:42:39 Just sent an e-mail saying "next time lets figure out a better format." **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 15 09:59:57 2006