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Jun 12 04:12:41 <deadcat> after installing debianslug onto the nslu2 with a usb2 hdd, can i dd the content of the hdd to a usb thumb drive and use the thumb drive instead of the hdd? or which ever i want?
Jun 12 06:29:54 <FallenHitokiri> hi, i think about using a nslu2 as fileserver replacement. i need samba and nfs and i want the hds to be in a raid1 or if it is possible i would like to connect 8 hds using 2 usb-hubs and set up a raid01. i read the wiki/faq but i am not sure what firmware i should use. but if i got it correctly i think that i have to use openslug for this. right? (or isn't this possible as i think)
Jun 12 06:40:52 <l0c4lh0st> lol 8 hdds?
Jun 12 06:40:56 <l0c4lh0st> How would you connect that?
Jun 12 06:41:11 <l0c4lh0st> And where do you need NFS for? And RAID 0+1?
Jun 12 06:46:56 <deadcat> after installing debianslug onto the nslu2 with a usb2 hdd, can i dd the content of the hdd to a usb thumb drive and use the thumb drive instead of the hdd? or which ever i want?
Jun 12 06:49:49 <FallenHitokiri> l0c4lh0st: i would connect them with a usb-hub. i need nfs for my workstation an my harddisk recorder and raid01 for data-security and "mass storage"
Jun 12 16:49:55 <newbie45> I made a mistake: I replaced /bin/sh -> /bin/busybox by -> /opt/bin/bash - Now I can't get access to the box. Any idea how to fix it?
Jun 12 17:08:12 <bazz-> make a symbolic link to /bin/busybox from /opt/bin/bash (by removing the harddisk you're using and placing it in another linux system)
Jun 12 17:13:21 <newbie45> hi bazz
Jun 12 17:13:37 <newbie45> sounds like a good idea :-)
Jun 12 17:13:58 <newbie45> currently I'm trying to get access via serial console
Jun 12 17:14:09 <newbie45> (in fact that's what I just got)
Jun 12 17:24:02 <newbie45> bazz-: the slug works again - I don't regret buying this EUR1,5 Siemens S25 serial cable from ebay :D
Jun 12 17:24:36 <bazz-> nice :)
Jun 12 17:25:00 <bazz-> i think i'm going to install a serial port too
Jun 12 17:25:07 <bazz-> can come in handy at times like this
Jun 12 17:25:24 <loc4lhost> bazz-
Jun 12 17:25:31 <newbie45> definitively, yes. it was the first time I tried it
Jun 12 17:25:34 <loc4lhost> I flashed Debian/NSLU2 :/
Jun 12 17:25:41 <loc4lhost> Can't run Apache on it lol
Jun 12 17:26:16 <bazz-> ouch loc4lhost how come :)
Jun 12 17:26:23 <loc4lhost> No Apache package
Jun 12 17:26:30 <loc4lhost> also no PHP or MySQL package
Jun 12 17:26:33 <bazz-> naa impossible
Jun 12 17:26:46 <bazz-> hrmpf :/
Jun 12 17:26:47 <loc4lhost> So... another user recommended me to flash DebianSlug again
Jun 12 17:26:50 <loc4lhost> so I did that
Jun 12 17:26:52 <bazz-> let me check my debian distro
Jun 12 17:27:36 <loc4lhost> apt-get wasn't working too.
Jun 12 17:27:56 <newbie45> how can you expect to get apache when apt-get doesn't work?
Jun 12 17:28:00 <loc4lhost> And someone (uhhhh don't know anymore who) said DebianSlug + debootstrap is the same
Jun 12 17:28:53 * newbie45 would like to use debian, too
Jun 12 17:29:18 <loc4lhost> newbie45
Jun 12 17:29:24 <loc4lhost> do you know how to get apt-get working?
Jun 12 17:29:43 <newbie45> did you check the sources?
Jun 12 17:29:50 <loc4lhost> ?
Jun 12 17:29:58 <loc4lhost> What sources?
Jun 12 17:30:11 <bazz-> apt-get just works
Jun 12 17:30:23 <bazz-> you should of course have the correct network settins
Jun 12 17:30:26 <newbie45>  /etc/apt/sources.list
Jun 12 17:31:07 <loc4lhost> I typed
Jun 12 17:31:09 <loc4lhost> apt-get
Jun 12 17:31:16 <newbie45> ah, yes, a ping to an external host obviously should work
Jun 12 17:31:20 <loc4lhost> and got a message that said unknown command or something
Jun 12 17:31:21 <newbie45> apt-get update
Jun 12 17:31:31 <loc4lhost> You know, it said it didn't find it
Jun 12 17:31:36 <newbie45> ah, ok
Jun 12 17:31:46 <loc4lhost> So how do I install it?
Jun 12 17:32:01 <loc4lhost> I understand apt-get is similair to ipkg?
Jun 12 17:32:03 <newbie45> what's your PATH ?
Jun 12 17:32:16 <newbie45> yes, it's similar
Jun 12 17:34:07 <bazz-> apache is definitely in the debian pkg repository
Jun 12 17:34:32 <loc4lhost> But how come apt-get doesn't work for me?
Jun 12 17:34:37 <loc4lhost> I followed exactly what was on the site you told me
Jun 12 17:34:47 <newbie45> loc4lhost: what do you get when you type "echo $PATH"?
Jun 12 17:35:08 <loc4lhost> I flashed another firmware in it now.... Gotta boot it, hold on
Jun 12 17:35:27 <newbie45> hmmm.... ;-)
Jun 12 17:35:42 <loc4lhost> It's now DebianSlug
Jun 12 17:35:55 <loc4lhost> Someone recommended me installing that instead of Debian/NSLU2
Jun 12 17:36:10 <loc4lhost> because in that firmware, there are specific NSLU2 patches, in the Debian/NSLU2 they're not present
Jun 12 17:36:41 <loc4lhost> Still booting.... I'm glad it will become a 24/7 server :P
Jun 12 17:36:43 <loc4lhost> done
Jun 12 17:36:54 <loc4lhost> OH YEAH
Jun 12 17:37:04 <loc4lhost> After installing Debian/NSLU2 and going through the setup etc.
Jun 12 17:37:08 <loc4lhost> I couldn't login :(
Jun 12 17:37:23 <loc4lhost> Also, the setup didn't finish... I got into some sort of menu or something
Jun 12 17:37:28 <newbie45> could someone give me an update please... the debian  little/big-endian issues of the eth interface, are they solved yet?
Jun 12 17:37:45 <loc4lhost> root@SUBZERO:~# echo $PATH
Jun 12 17:37:45 <loc4lhost> /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:
Jun 12 17:37:49 <loc4lhost> That's a fresh slug
Jun 12 17:37:55 <loc4lhost> However, I think I didn't change the path...
Jun 12 17:38:00 <newbie45> k
Jun 12 17:39:24 <bazz-> no more issues, but the LE DebianSlug seemed a bit slower to me than open- or unslung
Jun 12 17:39:25 <loc4lhost> I think the whole apt-get package is just not present
Jun 12 17:39:39 <loc4lhost> root@SUBZERO:/# apt-get
Jun 12 17:39:39 <loc4lhost> -sh: apt-get: not found
Jun 12 17:39:42 <loc4lhost> That's what I get
Jun 12 17:40:09 <bazz-> it's impossible loc4lhost 
Jun 12 17:40:15 <bazz-> you got the wrong image in your slug
Jun 12 17:40:16 <bazz-> i thiknk you are mixing up BE and LE versions
Jun 12 17:40:27 <loc4lhost> Okay, which firmware do I have to download? lol
Jun 12 17:40:34 <bazz-> how many times did you flash the slug to install this 1 debianslug?
Jun 12 17:40:49 <loc4lhost> The old one (Debian/NSLU2) had to be flashed 2 times
Jun 12 17:40:56 <loc4lhost> 1 for installation part, 1 after the installation
Jun 12 17:41:12 <loc4lhost> the one I'm running now was in 1 part, DebianSlug 3.10
Jun 12 17:41:55 <bazz-> afaik you need to install it with di-nslu2.bin and afterwards debian-sda1.bin or sth like that
Jun 12 17:42:01 <loc4lhost> Yep
Jun 12 17:42:06 <loc4lhost> That's what I did
Jun 12 17:42:09 <bazz-> just as told on cyrius.com/...
Jun 12 17:42:14 <loc4lhost> However, the installer didn't report it was finished
Jun 12 17:42:17 <loc4lhost> which that guide says
Jun 12 17:42:49 <loc4lhost> The installation will take roughly 2 hours (or slightly more if you have a slow Internet connection). At the end of the installation, you will get a confirmation that the installation is complete. Confirm, wait for the installer to finish and once your SSH session terminates, turn off your NSLU2 and bring it into upgrade mode.
Jun 12 17:42:52 <bazz-> then you should have the apt-get thing installed normally, because it is included in thedefault installation, debian can't go without apt-get ;)
Jun 12 17:43:09 <loc4lhost> http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/images/di-reboot.png I didn't get that screen
Jun 12 17:43:24 <loc4lhost> I got into a menu where I could choose the seperate setup thingies (like setting up network, partitioning, etc. etc.)
Jun 12 17:43:35 <loc4lhost> I think that's where it got wrong
Jun 12 17:43:43 <bazz-> what did you get then?
Jun 12 17:44:11 <loc4lhost> I chose "go to shell" or something and rebooted the slug, put it in upgrade mode, flashed the sda1-image
Jun 12 17:44:34 <bazz-> did it first download and install packages on your harddisk?
Jun 12 17:44:40 <loc4lhost> yes
Jun 12 17:44:42 <loc4lhost> a damn lot
Jun 12 17:44:48 <bazz-> (takes about 1 hour 
Jun 12 17:44:54 <bazz-> hrm
Jun 12 17:45:00 <bazz-> try again :p
Jun 12 17:45:29 <bazz-> it worked like a charm here, but then it didn't boot anymore ;)
Jun 12 17:47:02 <bazz-> anyways
Jun 12 17:47:02 <bazz-> i'm 
Jun 12 17:47:07 <bazz-> going to take a break
Jun 12 17:47:15 <bazz-> laterz ;)
Jun 12 17:48:20 <newbie45> doei
Jun 12 17:49:24 <newbie45> does anybody know how to fix "uptime: couldn't get boot time: No such file or directory" ?
Jun 12 17:57:19 <newbie45> there is a symlink uptime -> /opt/bin/coreutils-uptime which obviously doesn't work on the slug
Jun 12 18:00:35 <l0c4lh0st> I also noticed there is no "sh" in /bin
Jun 12 18:00:56 <l0c4lh0st> I googled, it says I have to use "/bin/sh/apt-get"
Jun 12 18:02:04 <l0c4lh0st> Kinda strange.... Anyone else expected this behaviour?
Jun 12 18:02:11 <l0c4lh0st> Off to the swimming pool bye
Jun 12 18:02:15 <l0c4lh0st> Thanks for the help so far :)
Jun 12 18:02:26 <newbie45> bye l0c4lh0st 
Jun 12 18:08:41 <Neu> hi
Jun 12 18:10:02 <Neu> anyone else had problems upgrading py-bittorrent on unslung?  I get an error, it cannot find the dependency 'libgmp'?
Jun 12 18:32:33 <caplink811_log> newbie45, you should install procps which includes a uptime which would work
Jun 12 18:38:17 <newbie45> caplink811_log: thanks, I'll try that
Jun 12 18:40:11 <newbie45> much better :-)
Jun 12 19:22:16 <caplink811_log> neu, dunno why it is in the feeds, atm, i try to build it native, if the build runs through, i'll put it on my server
Jun 12 19:23:58 <Neu> caplink811: thanks, that would be great
Jun 12 19:32:04 <deadcat> if i want to install debianslug on 2 hdd (the second is just for fun), do i have to flash the firmware each time i install?
Jun 12 19:34:51 <caplink811_log> deadcat, on the 2nd hd, or on a 2nd hd?
Jun 12 19:35:29 <deadcat> caplink811_log: both using the first hdd, because i want to install, then take the installed system out, put another hdd in and install again.
Jun 12 19:37:08 <caplink811_log> imho, there is no need for a new flash, debianslug/openslug is only the "bootloader" for debian, but you should run the deb-install again with the other hd
Jun 12 19:37:59 <deadcat> caplink811_log: ah.. nice.. i plan to install 1 on a 200g hd, and another on a thumb drive (for travelling) (=
Jun 12 19:39:08 <deadcat> where can i find doc about compiling a kernel for it? i need a patch which is not in the debian kernel.
Jun 12 19:40:56 <caplink811_log> deadcat, http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Development/MasterMakefile as starting point
Jun 12 19:41:35 <deadcat> ah
Jun 12 19:43:07 <deadcat> whats the diff between Debian/NSLU2 (debian-isntaller) and SlugOS (DebianSlug, OpenSlug) ?
Jun 12 19:44:33 <caplink811_log> hm, imho, slugos works with the internal ethernet device, and deb-inst needs an external device (but that is realy imho)
Jun 12 19:45:00 <deadcat> i see
Jun 12 19:45:13 <deadcat> caplink811_log: both uses the debian repository right?
Jun 12 19:45:23 <caplink811_log> yes
Jun 12 19:45:27 <deadcat> thanks
Jun 12 19:45:30 <caplink811_log> np
Jun 12 19:46:02 <caplink811_log> deadcat, both, yes, but only if it is the le (debianslug) version
Jun 12 19:46:24 <deadcat> caplink811_log: that confuses me.
Jun 12 19:49:28 <caplink811_log> openslug (and opendebianslug / debonaras) is big endian, debainslug/debian/nlsu2 is little endian
Jun 12 19:49:43 <caplink811_log> s/debain/debian
Jun 12 19:50:04 <deadcat> caplink811_log: ah.. which is better?
Jun 12 19:52:15 <caplink811_log> imho, debianslug (though one og my machines running with opendebianslug, but this is because i'm shiftless)
Jun 12 19:52:57 <deadcat> k
Jun 12 19:54:08 <deadcat> caplink811_log: i am looking at http://www.slug-firmware.net/
Jun 12 19:54:29 <caplink811_log> Neu, stay tuned, the build is still running
Jun 12 19:55:24 <caplink811_log> stay, Sinclair73de 
Jun 12 20:05:05 <caplink811_log> Neu, libgmp is at www.jrbnet.de/texte/libgmp_4.1.4-1_armeb.ipk
Jun 12 20:08:14 <deadcat> ^^ the .ipk is part of openslug, NOT debianslug right? since debian packages are .deb
Jun 12 20:12:27 <caplink811_log> build for unslung (depends on the used pathes and the build system) it is
Jun 12 20:12:49 <deadcat> ah..
Jun 12 20:14:02 <caplink811_log> unslung and openslug uses ipk as package manager, but different build systems
Jun 12 20:15:01 <deadcat> so complicated. (=
Jun 12 20:17:18 <caplink811_log> nit realy, if you have experiences with linux use openslug, if you have experiences with debian, use debianslug, or if you are not familar with linux/unix at all, then use unslung, which is an "enhanced" standard firmware (so you have the same functionality as with the linksys firmware, but with the option, to install own packages)
Jun 12 20:17:26 <caplink811_log> s/nit/not
Jun 12 20:19:19 <deadcat> i see. i've been using debian for few years. thats why i want to know the diff between little/big endian
Jun 12 20:20:27 <newbie45> deadcat: http://peter.korsgaard.com/articles/debian-nslu2.php 
Jun 12 20:20:53 <deadcat> newbie45: thanks
Jun 12 20:21:13 <newbie45> yw
Jun 12 20:21:20 <deadcat> newbie45: nice. kernel compliation part too (=
Jun 12 20:21:21 <caplink811_log> opendebianslug was the first step ( because the intel network drivers wasn't avaiable in the past) debianslug is the 2nd step...
Jun 12 20:22:00 <deadcat> ah
Jun 12 20:22:01 <newbie45> deadcat: the big/little endian issue with the ethernet interface is nicely explained
Jun 12 20:22:37 <deadcat> newbie45: thanks. and he also has the hardware spec.. since i didnt know how much ram it has.
Jun 12 20:22:43 <deadcat> great page.
Jun 12 20:23:21 <newbie45> korsgaard was the first to run debian on a slug
Jun 12 20:23:42 <deadcat> soldier (=
Jun 12 20:24:43 <deadcat> i am going to fry's later. if they have one thats manufactored in may 2006, i'll definitely buy it.. since i am scared to overclock it myself hehe
Jun 12 20:25:50 <newbie45> deadcat: de-underclocking is a piece of cake
Jun 12 20:27:18 <caplink811_log> deadcat, is there a source for that rumor?
Jun 12 20:30:33 <newbie45> caplink811_log: to install debianslug I'll need an external ethernet adapter?
Jun 12 20:31:37 <caplink811_log> newbie45, if you use debianslug, or you follow the link (unoffical build) at cyrus.com, then ni
Jun 12 20:31:43 <caplink811_log> s/ni/no
Jun 12 20:32:13 <newbie45> thanks
Jun 12 20:33:45 <newbie45> caplink811_log: I've been using debian with LAMP on a 64MB machine - what performance can I expect from the slug? 
Jun 12 20:34:35 <caplink811_log> hm, use much swap, and have some time (everything is relative)...
Jun 12 20:35:37 <caplink811_log> myself use mrtg on opendebslug, with a delay around 2 secs (maybe 3), that is ok for me..
Jun 12 20:35:38 <newbie45> right now I stick to perl, haserl and thttpd because I don't want the slug to start swapping
Jun 12 20:36:15 <newbie45> k
Jun 12 20:41:57 <deadcat> caplink811_log: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/OverClockTheSlug bold text
Jun 12 20:42:50 <caplink811_log> thx, long time not visited this page..
Jun 12 20:43:44 <deadcat> the thing is i use libapache-gallery-perl, a module that does phto gallery and it works with apache, so i will have to use apache. if lighttpd has a module like that, that would be awesome (=
Jun 12 20:45:10 <caplink811_log> well, that are all things which are depends on your expectation, some ppl would wait 3 secs, some not
Jun 12 20:45:48 <deadcat> wait 3 sec for what?
Jun 12 20:46:17 <caplink811_log> for the delivery of the target page...
Jun 12 20:46:23 <deadcat> damn
Jun 12 20:47:22 <deadcat> lets hope this baby can handle what i want to do with it (=
Jun 12 20:47:53 <caplink811_log> the easiest/shartest way, just try it ;)
Jun 12 20:48:02 <deadcat> ya
Jun 12 20:49:15 <deadcat> i was thinking of an mac mini for server.. but that machine will be so fast that i dont want to use it as a server (=
Jun 12 21:02:52 <newbie45> I'll be off
Jun 12 21:02:56 <newbie45> cu
Jun 12 21:07:28 * caplink811_log heading to bed now, have a nice day :)
Jun 13 00:23:06 <deadcat> i just bought the nslu2, but i dont see where it say manufactored by _DATE_..
Jun 13 01:44:13 <Rob3> Anyone know where to get smbfs module for DebianSLUG (w/o compiling myself)?
Jun 13 01:44:27 <deadcat> Rob3: apt-get install smbfs
Jun 13 01:44:38 <deadcat> smbfs - mount and umount commands for the smbfs (for kernels >= than 2.2.x)
Jun 13 01:44:42 <Rob3> d'oh wow that simple...  
Jun 13 01:44:54 <deadcat> Rob3: ya. debian is soo easy
Jun 13 01:45:07 <Rob3> was afraid smbfs support wasn't in default kernel
Jun 13 01:45:16 <deadcat> Rob3: so you got the slug running debian slug? using the d-i right?
Jun 13 01:45:41 <Rob3> yeah - unslung was just too buggy and I hated having to do those stupid diversion scripts
Jun 13 01:46:28 <deadcat> Rob3: which doc did you follow for debianslug? because i need to once i get my enclosure (=. i am on my 128MB thumbdrive. havent flash the firmware yet. just got it few hrs ago
Jun 13 01:47:12 <Rob3> actually I just bootstapped it, not D-I
Jun 13 01:47:30 <Rob3> lemme find it again - 
Jun 13 01:47:59 <Rob3> this worked mostly for me:  http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug/Bootstrap
Jun 13 01:48:15 <deadcat> thanks
Jun 13 01:48:17 <Rob3> I had to mod it a little b/c instructions were sometimes wrong
Jun 13 01:48:23 <Rob3> but not too much...  
Jun 13 01:48:27 <deadcat> cool
Jun 13 01:49:19 <deadcat> Rob3: what kernel you have on the thing right now?
Jun 13 01:49:21 <Rob3> i.e., network stuff was already set up as static (not DHCP - per docs), and I didn't have to mod the resolv.conf
Jun 13 01:49:38 <Rob3> it's the default after doing all the updates...  2.6.16
Jun 13 01:49:40 <deadcat> Rob3: k. those are basic stuff..
Jun 13 01:49:44 <deadcat> Rob3: NICE (=
Jun 13 01:50:00 <deadcat> Rob3: you ahve to flash the firmware each time you have new kernel right?
Jun 13 01:50:52 <deadcat> Rob3: this thing would rock with a 2gig thumb drive.. soo portable.
Jun 13 01:50:58 <Rob3> yeah for me I actually did unslug, began to do a backup, then all of a sudden the device rebooted.  Also "ls" was broken (won't work for files >2GB).  I had to reinstall b/c the USBHDs were wiped.
Jun 13 01:51:19 <deadcat> damn
Jun 13 01:51:55 <deadcat> you overclocked it yet?
Jun 13 01:52:10 <Rob3> yeah I'd be a bit leary about that though, b/c of read/writes.  A better thing might be to upgrade ram and use ram for logs, and sync them periodically.  Too bad there is no such thing as a signal for "low battery" to sync RAM to flash/drive before shutdown
Jun 13 01:52:56 <Rob3> yeah overclock was a breeze.  I'm an EE with access to SMT soldering tools.  I just slid it sideways (only on one pad now), in case I want to underclock it again :-)
Jun 13 01:52:58 <deadcat> ah
Jun 13 01:53:21 <Rob3> I think they call this "dying gasp", in some modems, etc.
Jun 13 01:53:33 <deadcat> ncie move (=
Jun 13 01:54:00 <Rob3> yeah it's okay but everything nowadays is getting outsourced to India.
Jun 13 01:54:40 <Rob3> yeah - regarding hardware mods - always enable yourself to go back to what you had before the mod.
Jun 13 01:55:55 <Rob3> so far debian really does rock.  "ls" works as it should (not 2GB bug), and no need to "hack" the diversion scripts, etc. since things are done right in the beginning, instead of fixing linksys' mess with dumbbusybox
Jun 13 01:56:43 <deadcat> not to mention you et 16K+ softwares already packaged (=
Jun 13 01:57:26 <Rob3> anyone know how to get these maddening "locale" messages with opendebian?  The instructions in the page were wrong (Bootstrap page above)
Jun 13 01:58:08 <deadcat> dpkg-reconfigure locales
Jun 13 01:58:20 <Rob3> yeah it is quite a bit heavier than all other distros for NSLU2 but it's for real men.  The only thing I miss is the idiot-proof webpage for backups, etc.  I can do it all with text files, but having to pull out vi/joe/etc. everytime you want to mod a backup, can be a pain.
Jun 13 01:59:09 <Rob3> deadcat yeah I tried that before but it still had errors; I'll try it again (errors still occurred with my previous install).  I reinstalled opendebian so that the linux dist and backup shares could have different partition sizes
Jun 13 01:59:25 <Rob3> rsync over ssh is DOG slow but prolly typical for 266mhz processor
Jun 13 02:00:02 <Rob3> gonna try mounting with smbmount and then rsync "local" (w/o SSH).
Jun 13 02:00:07 <deadcat> check the file /etc/environment and /etc/default/locale, i set /etc/environment to LANG=C instead of the unicode crap
Jun 13 02:00:22 <deadcat> Rob3: setup nfs
Jun 13 02:01:57 <Rob3> yeah I should do that; I'm syncing to another linux box.  Regarding that unicode stuff, yeah, that should prolly be in the wiki.  If it works, I'll add it to the bootstrap page
Jun 13 02:02:07 <Rob3> is nfs faster than smbfs?
Jun 13 02:02:34 <deadcat> i dont use samba personally. nfs is very easy to seutp
Jun 13 02:02:45 <Rob3> I've got years of experience with RedHat / Fedora / Slackware but not Debian, yet.
Jun 13 02:02:59 <deadcat> (=
Jun 13 02:03:20 <deadcat> i gave up on redhat after 8.0. thats when i switched to debian.
Jun 13 02:03:21 <Rob3> Good thing about smbfs is the ability to backup from windoze, and my need would be for browsing from windoze boxen.
Jun 13 02:03:30 <deadcat> true
Jun 13 02:04:02 <Rob3> ha yeah it's a bit of an overload of information coming from RH base; I have considered it.  Is there something equivalent of yum nightly updates?
Jun 13 02:04:27 <deadcat> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
Jun 13 02:04:41 <Rob3> ah okay just crontab it and ur done
Jun 13 02:04:57 <deadcat> ya. but if you do that. you might want to use -q for quiet and -y for yes
Jun 13 02:06:00 <Rob3> yeah I gotcha.  Regarding the unicode, I didn't see "LANG=C" in the menu for the "dpkg-reconfigure locales"
Jun 13 02:06:46 <Rob3> 8859-1 and 8859-15 not sure which... I'm thinking -1 ?
Jun 13 02:06:53 <deadcat> i didnt see it either. when i had my desktop installed. the system didnt even require the stupid locales package (=
Jun 13 02:06:59 <Rob3> or maybe utf-8?
Jun 13 02:07:00 <deadcat> but time have changed hehe
Jun 13 02:07:21 <Rob3> yeah true...  debian I guess has a larger following than Redhat?
Jun 13 02:07:38 <deadcat> its the universal OS..
Jun 13 02:07:56 <Rob3> wonder if that's what tivo uses
Jun 13 02:08:10 <deadcat> i ran into that locales problem when i got my ibook back from the shop and had to reinstall because i had to get the hdd replaced.
Jun 13 02:08:42 <Rob3> oh wow.  Ghost for windows would have helped, if available for debian
Jun 13 02:10:08 <Rob3> I have considered upping the RAM and flash size for the slug
Jun 13 02:10:09 <deadcat> hehe. its ok. i baccked up all the config files. the cool thing is that that was the 2nd time i've ever installed debian on the ibook. since i can upgrade or dist-upgrade to keep it up to date
Jun 13 02:10:30 <deadcat> how? since it has 64MB right?
Jun 13 02:11:29 <Rob3> well two ways... they call it "fatten slug".  One way is to use larger density , and yet another way (additionally) is to use extra CAS lines and piggyback a module ontop of an existing one.
Jun 13 02:11:54 <Rob3> It's quite tedious and requires a microscope unless you have great vision and a really steady hand
Jun 13 02:12:42 <deadcat> damn..
Jun 13 02:14:03 <Rob3> yeah I cringed when I heard some people taking snips to the 0603 SMT resistor.  That's a good way to ruin some pads and possibly damage other stuff.
Jun 13 02:14:11 <Rob3> (that's for the de-underclock mod)
Jun 13 02:14:33 <Rob3> BTW, there is no /etc/environment file
Jun 13 02:14:46 <deadcat> you can create that file.
Jun 13 02:14:55 <Rob3> ah what's the contents?
Jun 13 02:14:59 <deadcat> for the mean time just export LANG=C
Jun 13 02:15:03 <deadcat> LANG=C
Jun 13 02:15:46 <Rob3> thanks...  
Jun 13 02:16:36 <Rob3> wow generation now complete - dpkg-reconfigure locales (ran for 20 minutes)
Jun 13 02:17:12 <deadcat> hehe
Jun 13 02:17:25 <Rob3> oh is /etc/default/locale set up with identical content?
Jun 13 02:17:37 <deadcat> do you notice lag on the slug? compare to a normal linux box?
Jun 13 02:17:55 <Rob3> yeah for sure; is that normal?  
Jun 13 02:18:51 <Rob3> too bad I couldn't run all this from flash, in case HDD crash.  I set up two drives identically (partition sizes and similar names).  Not sure what the best method to "mirror" them is just yet.
Jun 13 02:19:26 <deadcat> i think its normal since its only 266mhz
Jun 13 02:19:44 <Rob3> yeah it could be because the console is set up at a lower priority than other stuff, too
Jun 13 02:21:55 <Rob3> is there something like /etc/profile for all environment stuff?
Jun 13 02:22:14 <Rob3> nevermind just answered my own question
Jun 13 02:23:09 <deadcat> (=
Jun 13 02:24:06 <Rob3> Impressive stability.  unslug would have crashed by now.  I stopped rsync over ssh after transferring data for over 1.5 days (at a mere 700kB/sec).  Samba is faster but NFS would be better.  I'm just not sure about security, etc.
Jun 13 02:24:41 <Rob3> I've locked down smbfs on the linux box; not sure if nfs would open up new security concerns
Jun 13 02:25:06 <deadcat> do you have ssh running on the machine? if so can you create a normal user account for me to ssh and see how slow the thing is? since i will be hosting apache AND ssh for my friends as well.
Jun 13 02:25:58 <Rob3> thanks but it's a bit messy since I have private-key only (for auth), and firewall isn't set up, etc.
Jun 13 02:26:06 <deadcat> ah
Jun 13 02:26:25 <Rob3> Can you believe my work blocked outgoing SSH.
Jun 13 02:26:36 <deadcat> hahah..
Jun 13 02:26:41 <Rob3> idiots
Jun 13 02:26:59 <deadcat> that strict eh?
Jun 13 02:27:33 <Rob3> yeah they even have proxy filtering for URL and web page content.  Some sites are blocked.  Dumb thing is it's easy to bypass with open SSL proxies
Jun 13 02:30:46 <deadcat> i emailed him where he got his debian sticker (= http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/
Jun 13 02:36:21 <Rob3> argh ERROR: smbfs filesystem not supported by the kernel
Jun 13 02:37:23 <deadcat> damn
Jun 13 02:37:54 <deadcat> the kernel doesnt have smbfs module?
Jun 13 02:38:02 <deadcat> the package is just some utils.
Jun 13 02:38:07 <Rob3> yeah but then I have to recompile.  that's a PITA
Jun 13 02:38:15 <deadcat> like smbmount smbumount
Jun 13 02:38:29 <Rob3> smbmount seems to be alias for "mount -t smbfs"
Jun 13 02:38:33 <deadcat> i thought the debian kernel would have smbfs module
Jun 13 02:38:46 <deadcat> modprobe -l |grep smb
Jun 13 02:39:00 <Rob3> empty 
Jun 13 02:39:06 <Rob3> yeah me too
Jun 13 02:39:17 <deadcat> damn.
Jun 13 02:39:25 <deadcat> apt-cache search smbfs
Jun 13 02:39:47 <deadcat> normal debian kernel has that module.
Jun 13 02:40:00 <deadcat> be right back. dinner time
Jun 13 02:40:01 <Rob3> is that sort of like "rpm -qpl file.rpm" -> shows contents of rpm?
Jun 13 02:40:08 <Rob3> ok thanks 4ur help
Jun 13 02:40:25 <deadcat> apt-cache search search for a package from the database
Jun 13 02:49:27 <Rob3> what a beech... just tried "smbmnt", "smbmount", and "mount -t smbfs" - says smbfs support not in kernel grrrr...
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