**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 22 02:59:56 2006 Jun 22 03:27:29 how are you doing it? Jun 22 03:27:39 rsync Jun 22 03:27:42 140 fis Jun 22 03:27:44 erk 140 gigs Jun 22 03:27:45 Just wondering because I have considered doing one myself Jun 22 03:27:54 rsync seems the best Jun 22 03:28:01 hmm, I read into it then Jun 22 03:28:24 I've spent so much time setting everything up Jun 22 03:28:38 oh just doing the NSLU2 partiton? Jun 22 03:28:41 I don't want to have to do it again, plus I probably couldn't do it again anyways Jun 22 03:28:43 that should be small Jun 22 03:28:49 use dd Jun 22 03:28:53 its on the wiki Jun 22 03:29:01 well, I want to backup everything I have installed on it Jun 22 03:29:11 like apache, samba, cups Jun 22 03:29:34 I have no idea how I got my printer working on it Jun 22 03:29:38 so odds are I couldn't do it again Jun 22 03:30:33 what u have a usb printer or something Jun 22 03:31:22 well, its a parrelle, but I bought a USB converter cable off ebay Jun 22 08:01:47 i am on debian/nslu2 now, but the disk1 and disk2 led is not lighting up..what the? Jun 22 08:35:13 that's one of the downsides of debian/openslug/opendebianslug Jun 22 08:35:24 only unslung works with the leds Jun 22 08:35:32 debianslug LE won't even beep Jun 22 08:35:59 ya Jun 22 08:36:07 i just installed nslu2-utils Jun 22 08:36:34 compiling zd1211 wireless driver... SLOW (= Jun 22 08:36:42 enjoy :) Jun 22 08:36:46 bbl Jun 22 08:36:48 k Jun 22 11:25:54 Anyone knows how to fix the clock in the slug? (Running DebianSlug 3.10) Jun 22 15:44:18 hmmmm... using udev for rebooting the slug when swap gets removed is a bad idea, or isn't it? Jun 22 17:07:29 <[1]Reedy_Boy> Hey Caplink811 Jun 22 17:07:55 Got a bit of a problem Jun 22 17:08:52 upon reboot last night, telnet was unacessible Jun 22 17:08:59 and due to teh samba installation, so was samba Jun 22 17:09:06 and it takes ages to boot Jun 22 17:09:21 i can boot without the drive attached, telnet in, and get samba when i re-attach the drive Jun 22 17:09:30 but i cant do both from boot up Jun 22 17:09:48 and for some reason, i cant reflash it in the mode where the status led is flashing red/green Jun 22 17:11:49 so i could really do with some advice where to go/what to do Jun 22 17:12:09 whether its get the telnet working and then carry on with samba, or get the samba and then the telnet Jun 22 17:24:21 Hi to you all Jun 22 17:26:10 I've got a problem with my slug. It often hangs when doing I/O and only way to solve is to put the power plug. Jun 22 17:26:32 Anyone experienced same/similar behaviour ? Jun 22 17:26:35 what os and such are you on? Jun 22 17:26:39 what've you got attached Jun 22 17:27:10 (os on the slug that is) Jun 22 17:27:20 is it a turbo slug? Jun 22 17:27:33 Well started with unslung 5.5 beta, went to unslung 6.8 beta and currently have debian slug Jun 22 17:28:22 Yes, it is a turbo slug and tried with 3 different USB drives (200GB Chili Green, 2.5" Trekstor and 40GB no-name) Jun 22 17:28:35 all the same thing then/ Jun 22 17:28:39 yep Jun 22 17:28:52 i can't really help you, im just getting the basic questions asked for someone else! Jun 22 17:29:14 is is the same on large files and or small files? Jun 22 17:29:40 well, it mainly happens when working with small files Jun 22 17:29:58 I gues Jun 22 17:30:28 * Reedy_Boy is away, gone for tea, Back 45 mins or so (hopes for someone to be around then!) Jun 22 17:34:43 killroy732000, does that happens also, when you connect the slug directly (via crossovercable) to your workstation? Jun 22 17:36:38 haven't tried that out yet although I did Connect the slug via crossovercable yesterday for doing firmware upgrade Jun 22 17:37:52 wondering if it could have something to do with me de-underclocking the slug Jun 22 17:40:48 no, i don't think so, may something's wrong with your network setup.. Jun 22 17:40:57 s/may/maybe Jun 22 17:41:02 hmm... Jun 22 17:42:04 if that would be the case, I do not see why it would cause the slug to stall? Jun 22 17:42:47 do you use a hub, or a switch? Jun 22 17:43:06 Yes, I do use a switch Jun 22 17:47:25 for testing purposes I'll connect the slug via cross-over cable and do a copy test on large number of small files ... Jun 22 18:13:16 * Reedy_Boy is Back Jun 22 18:14:44 Any ideas?/What should i do? Jun 22 18:17:26 wots wrog Jun 22 18:18:31 ah Jun 22 18:18:51 it will boot with the thing attached after about 10 mins Jun 22 18:18:56 thing being the drive Jun 22 18:19:03 still no telnet access Jun 22 18:19:12 if i boot without the drive, i can use the web telnet, and then connect Jun 22 18:19:18 might be a check-disk , ill give u a hand in 5min Jun 22 18:19:22 connecting the drive then, it mounts and is accessible Jun 22 18:19:37 but i tried to reflash it, but UgUtility cant seem to find it Jun 22 18:20:49 cheers Jun 22 18:27:37 @c< Jun 22 18:28:46 @caplink811_log: currently doing copy test.... Jun 22 18:31:10 copying 4GB mp3 collection using samba. still busy but looks promising.... Jun 22 18:31:45 name Naib Jun 22 18:32:01 right back Reedy Jun 22 18:32:27 cool Jun 22 18:32:37 use '/msg Ghost username password Jun 22 18:32:39 just had to change from Chatzilla to GAIM Jun 22 18:32:53 ?? Jun 22 18:33:35 nevermind Jun 22 18:33:46 right, do you want me to boot my slug with no drive attached? Jun 22 18:34:08 yer thats best. Jun 22 18:34:23 teh SLUG will have two configs Jun 22 18:34:23 1) in FLASH Jun 22 18:34:23 2) in drive Jun 22 18:34:29 yeah Jun 22 18:34:31 i noticed that Jun 22 18:34:38 hence getting samba and telnet Jun 22 18:34:51 just booting Jun 22 18:34:55 when booted with an unslung drive it will use those, and it seems the whole Xinetd fooked thing royally Jun 22 18:35:09 yup Jun 22 18:35:20 suppose we can remove it or whatever Jun 22 18:35:30 i noticed when it did boot with the drive Jun 22 18:35:37 so if you boot with no drive at least then you will be able to connect, then a choice Jun 22 18:35:37 1) either try to repair Jun 22 18:35:37 2) re-unslung (quickest solution) Jun 22 18:35:58 it wanted a samba password (im presuming guest is disabled), and i couldn't guess it Jun 22 18:36:11 ill unsling it then Jun 22 18:36:18 more then likely Jun 22 18:36:22 is there a script for it? Jun 22 18:36:38 any ideas why i couldn't get connected to it in the upgrade mode? ugutility wouldn't connect Jun 22 18:37:36 err sorry no help there "ugutility" sounds like a windows program Jun 22 18:37:36 I am 99% a linux user (odd game and all) and I use telnet & upslug2 to for flashing Jun 22 18:37:49 ah Jun 22 18:37:51 it is Jun 22 18:38:02 it is what? Jun 22 18:38:06 a windows prog? Jun 22 18:38:07 windows app Jun 22 18:38:09 aywe Jun 22 18:38:18 it was fine last time, and the only differences is the samba and xinted installed Jun 22 18:38:31 but that shouldn't really affect it, as the drive wasn't connected Jun 22 18:38:49 booted, just gonna enable telnet Jun 22 18:39:09 shouldn't matter, all ugutility will do (the same as upslug) is try to intercept the Slug boot and give low-level access to NSLU2-boot Jun 22 18:39:13 kk Jun 22 18:39:48 hmm, well it was in upgrade mode thingy, tried via usb lan adapter which ive done it before with crossover, and nothing Jun 22 18:39:54 same via my router which ive done it by before Jun 22 18:40:24 thats a bit worrying since you need to get into REDBOOT for upgrade Jun 22 18:41:01 well, the device says its in upgrade mode (status red-green) Jun 22 18:41:09 does turbo slug make a difference to it? Jun 22 18:41:23 right, on telnet Jun 22 18:41:37 shouldn't mine is un-underclocked and I can get into REDBOOT (over wireless as well) Jun 22 18:41:46 lol Jun 22 18:41:50 im sure ive done it since Jun 22 18:41:51 meh Jun 22 18:41:51 yr drive is their any user data on it? Jun 22 18:42:02 what you mean by user data? Jun 22 18:42:02 that you want to keep? Jun 22 18:42:04 oh Jun 22 18:42:05 no Jun 22 18:42:14 its just slug stuff from unslinging and stuff Jun 22 18:42:22 good best be is re-attach HD and just format it via the web interface Jun 22 18:42:28 right Jun 22 18:42:46 THEN go through the unsling process that way the SLUG+drive is in a know configuration Jun 22 18:42:59 yup Jun 22 18:43:12 formatting Jun 22 18:44:04 ill say what im doing to ti Jun 22 18:44:45 just got an email from it saying format failed.. Jun 22 18:44:56 email? Jun 22 18:45:01 status email Jun 22 18:45:07 ill format it Fat on windows and back to ext3 on teh slug Jun 22 18:45:10 its what i did before Jun 22 18:45:16 kk, Jun 22 18:45:18 (prior reinstalls) Jun 22 18:45:30 doesn't even need to be a full-format from windows Jun 22 18:45:34 no Jun 22 18:45:35 just delete all the partitions Jun 22 18:45:53 the NSLU2 will see it is non-Unslung formatted and start the format + partitioning Jun 22 18:46:01 aye Jun 22 18:46:17 /admin Jun 22 18:46:24 bloody GAIM Jun 22 18:46:34 lol Jun 22 18:46:44 /links Jun 22 18:47:14 * Nai1 test Jun 22 18:48:08 #gentoo Jun 22 18:49:40 hmmm Jun 22 18:49:41 somethings up Jun 22 18:49:44 its not formatting Jun 22 18:50:01 in windows? Jun 22 18:50:17 slug Jun 22 18:50:39 just saying 'Not Formatted' in the status Jun 22 18:50:40 does it detect it? Jun 22 18:50:44 yup Jun 22 18:50:55 you should be able to format it then if it is showing that message? Jun 22 18:51:00 yeah Jun 22 18:51:07 it does something, it just gives up Jun 22 18:51:19 try a full format in windows Jun 22 18:51:30 i did to FAT Jun 22 18:51:53 hmm Jun 22 18:51:56 seems to be going this time Jun 22 18:52:04 just no disk activity on the disk light Jun 22 18:52:08 ha Jun 22 18:52:19 it might be PWMing too fast for significant light level Jun 22 18:52:28 possibly Jun 22 18:52:46 status is Formatting... at least Jun 22 18:52:53 yer Jun 22 18:53:13 not formatted Jun 22 18:53:25 what! Jun 22 18:53:37 and you did a complete format in windows? Jun 22 18:53:43 yup Jun 22 18:53:43 ie the drive is fine? Jun 22 18:53:52 yup Jun 22 18:54:07 I guess a re-flash is in order, somethings gone a bit screwy Jun 22 18:54:14 hmm Jun 22 18:54:40 errm Jun 22 18:54:48 how can i do that if its being a pain? Jun 22 18:54:56 cause the web interface one doesn't work does it? Jun 22 18:55:32 the web-interface flash wont work with unslung on the drive Jun 22 18:55:44 what is needed is a program Jun 22 18:55:48 should it if the drive isn't attached Jun 22 18:55:53 the ugutility should Jun 22 18:56:05 errm, i can prob get redboot telnet access and stuff..? Jun 22 18:56:36 nop drive or no drive the re-flash from webby wont work, it should show you a message saying that it entered into upgrade mode and that abt it Jun 22 18:56:56 hmm Jun 22 18:57:04 so what then? Jun 22 18:58:28 hang on. Jun 22 18:58:35 k Jun 22 18:59:34 SerComm Upgrade Utility Jun 22 18:59:37 thats what you need Jun 22 18:59:46 thats what i have Jun 22 18:59:46 http://www.sercomm.com/web/download.nsf/cd9678c311095856482566a5000aac9e/7f17bf7344cfc12f482566aa00389845/$FILE/Upgrade_207_XP.exe Jun 22 18:59:49 ugutility Jun 22 18:59:50 oh Jun 22 19:00:06 i can try again Jun 22 19:00:13 i may have done something wrong this morning Jun 22 19:00:28 yer try again Jun 22 19:00:39 whats the link for the guide? Jun 22 19:00:42 just to check im doing it right Jun 22 19:00:50 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/RecoverFromABadFlash Jun 22 19:00:54 ty Jun 22 19:01:17 brb - coffee run Jun 22 19:01:21 lol Jun 22 19:01:26 you'll probably need it Jun 22 19:04:48 grrr Jun 22 19:04:58 the sercomm tool aint working Jun 22 19:05:29 not at all? Jun 22 19:05:39 not finding out like it normally does Jun 22 19:06:06 you got hte nslu2 in upgrade mode using the "hold button" method Jun 22 19:06:17 yup Jun 22 19:06:24 status light flashing red gree Jun 22 19:06:25 green Jun 22 19:06:28 like i did before Jun 22 19:06:31 what is yr local IP? Jun 22 19:06:56 192.168.0.25 Jun 22 19:07:03 slug when booted is on .70 Jun 22 19:07:13 (ive done it like this 4 or 5 times) Jun 22 19:07:50 mm case in upgrade mode the slug goes to 192.168.0.1 Jun 22 19:08:20 i wondered about that Jun 22 19:08:36 i couldnt remember if id done that before Jun 22 19:08:38 192.168.0.1 is my router... Jun 22 19:08:56 right I am not to sure but tha tmight be cause a problem Jun 22 19:08:57 hmm, gimme 5 mins, ill disconnect from my router, and crossover to my pc Jun 22 19:09:04 kk Jun 22 19:09:04 and to the slug Jun 22 19:09:05 and tr Jun 22 19:09:12 back in a littl bit Jun 22 19:09:21 OR just change yr subnet on the router Jun 22 19:09:33 so it doesnt give out IP's 192.168.0.# Jun 22 19:09:38 but 192.168.1.# Jun 22 19:09:44 lol Jun 22 19:09:49 its easier to just do this Jun 22 19:09:54 cause theres people online# Jun 22 19:09:55 lol kk Jun 22 19:10:01 ahh Jun 22 19:10:09 and my brother is gaming Jun 22 19:10:13 and ill get abuse Jun 22 19:10:20 but then again the router should send a DHCPCD refresh signal Jun 22 19:10:20 right Jun 22 19:10:23 yeah Jun 22 19:10:35 but i cba having to sort out there pc's if something doesnt work Jun 22 19:10:39 back in a little bit Jun 22 19:10:41 ahh you do have no disk attached Jun 22 19:10:49 i do have no disk attached Jun 22 19:11:01 hopefull with a reflashed slug - should i put a linksys one on for the moment? Jun 22 19:11:22 could do as a check Jun 22 19:11:34 k Jun 22 19:11:35 right Jun 22 19:11:37 byee Jun 22 19:11:37 then you can use the web upgrade and treat it as a kinda new install Jun 22 19:11:39 cya Jun 22 19:11:40 yup Jun 22 19:13:15 Hi, Jun 22 19:13:22 hi Jun 22 19:14:12 I'm a happy nslu2 camper now :-)))) Jun 22 19:14:23 good 4 you ;) Jun 22 19:14:50 for the record: was able to copy 10GB of files without NSLU2 crashing. Jun 22 19:15:25 Found answer here. Somehow my switch or my router (have to dig into that) cause my nslu2 to crash Jun 22 19:15:46 using crossover-cable I don't have any problems Jun 22 19:15:55 <[1]Reedy_Boy> grr Jun 22 19:15:59 <[1]Reedy_Boy> Niab - Nope Jun 22 19:16:03 no? Jun 22 19:16:14 flashing lights on the front? Jun 22 19:16:17 <[1]Reedy_Boy> yup Jun 22 19:16:21 to show in upgrade mode? Jun 22 19:16:30 <[1]Reedy_Boy> its not showing up Jun 22 19:17:43 and its worked with a cross-over before? Jun 22 19:17:54 <[1]Reedy_Boy> yup Jun 22 19:18:06 <[1]Reedy_Boy> unless, i haven't got the cross over Jun 22 19:18:10 u got a standard cable to try Jun 22 19:18:13 <[1]Reedy_Boy> but i did check it Jun 22 19:18:34 check it? Jun 22 19:18:40 with a volt-meter? Jun 22 19:18:53 <[1]Reedy_Boy> the wiring layout Jun 22 19:18:58 <[1]Reedy_Boy> its the one i used before Jun 22 19:19:39 <[1]Reedy_Boy> oh Jun 22 19:19:44 <[1]Reedy_Boy> ive got a crossover adapter Jun 22 19:19:50 hehe Jun 22 19:19:51 <[1]Reedy_Boy> i wonder if i got mixed up Jun 22 19:19:59 <[1]Reedy_Boy> ill use the crossover adapter with a normal cable Jun 22 19:20:02 <[1]Reedy_Boy> back in a bit Jun 22 19:27:47 <[2]Reedy_Boy> Grrr Jun 22 19:28:05 didnt work Jun 22 19:28:11 <[2]Reedy_Boy> nope Jun 22 19:28:29 <[2]Reedy_Boy> should i try via redboot? Jun 22 19:28:37 yer you gotta reflash Jun 22 19:28:45 <[2]Reedy_Boy> i know it worked before Jun 22 19:28:53 <[2]Reedy_Boy> so i should get in Jun 22 19:29:35 yer, I am thinking tho that yr subnet being what the NSLU2 defauts to duning boot makes things hard Jun 22 19:29:53 <[2]Reedy_Boy> im doing this just between my pc and the slug Jun 22 19:29:59 kk Jun 22 19:30:06 <[2]Reedy_Boy> so that shouldn't matter Jun 22 19:45:05 hi all Jun 22 19:49:24 Hmm Jun 22 19:49:26 Nope Jun 22 19:49:37 The redboot script doesnt seem to want to load Jun 22 19:49:44 Upslug - can i do it in knoppix Jun 22 19:49:53 is anyone alive who can tell me how to build a new version of the mt-daapd ipkg? Jun 22 19:50:43 yer you can Jun 22 19:50:59 upslug2 is what you want and it should be in knoppix Jun 22 19:51:09 already there you mean? Jun 22 19:51:22 you need to do some arping for it to it in linux - easy Jun 22 19:51:25 yer Jun 22 19:51:46 well, if you wouldnt mind trying to talk me through it, i should be able to get knoppix booted on an old machine? Jun 22 19:51:54 sure Jun 22 19:51:59 k Jun 22 19:52:06 I actually have a walk-thought that I wrote Jun 22 19:52:10 let me get a power cable, kvm Jun 22 19:52:22 cool Jun 22 19:52:25 so I have a document of my steps + also to sort out my webby + wiki entry Jun 22 19:54:13 k Jun 22 19:58:22 ready? Jun 22 20:01:13 errm Jun 22 20:01:17 just trying to boot it Jun 22 20:01:39 lol Jun 22 20:09:00 think the graphics in it are knackered Jun 22 20:09:15 it does sound to be booting Jun 22 20:09:26 it may just not like the res of my monitor or something Jun 22 20:09:40 can you get to a terminal, thats all you neet Jun 22 20:09:47 CTRL-ALT-F1 Jun 22 20:09:57 there is nothing displaying on screen Jun 22 20:10:11 its not visually posintg Jun 22 20:10:21 the monitor is blank Jun 22 20:10:45 right only thing to do Jun 22 20:10:51 whats that? Jun 22 20:11:01 oh, i could try my dads works laptop? Jun 22 20:11:13 how many PC's Jun 22 20:11:22 ive got my desktop, my server Jun 22 20:11:35 then my brothers pc's, my mums laptop, my dads laptop Jun 22 20:12:11 was gonna say Jun 22 20:12:11 1) change router so IP range is 192.168.1.# from 192.168.0.# Jun 22 20:12:11 2) boot yr desktop into Knoppix Jun 22 20:12:11 3) start an IRC client (say GAIM) Jun 22 20:12:11 4) use arping & upslug2 to re-flash Jun 22 20:12:54 ill grab a laptop first Jun 22 20:13:48 k Jun 22 20:22:30 @caplink811-log: copy operation (with UPnP disabled) caused nslu2 to crash again, will do some more tests in the next days with different hardware configurations. Good to now that my NSLU2 is ok though. Thanks. Will keep you posted :D Jun 22 20:30:15 right Jun 22 20:30:21 my mum collered me Jun 22 20:31:27 k Jun 22 20:36:02 right Jun 22 20:36:05 knoppix is u Jun 22 20:36:21 up Jun 22 20:36:56 can i have a link to teh instructions? Jun 22 20:37:36 err will do, just upload to my webbby Jun 22 20:37:50 but can u open a terminal and type "upslug2" Jun 22 20:37:52 to check it runs Jun 22 20:38:08 bash says its not found Jun 22 20:38:13 upslug Jun 22 20:38:23 not found Jun 22 20:38:27 ARRR Jun 22 20:38:39 i cant see it being there as default tho Jun 22 20:39:30 if i have some instructions, if the FC boxes at college haven't been wiped, i can try there Jun 22 20:40:39 well there is a compiled upslug2 but sourceforge is down Jun 22 20:40:47 hmm Jun 22 20:40:53 you could try this though just to check you can enter upgrade mode Jun 22 20:41:04 oh Jun 22 20:41:08 this aint gonna help Jun 22 20:41:17 whats not gonna help Jun 22 20:41:21 seems knoppix dont like the laptops lan card Jun 22 20:41:23 its not activated Jun 22 20:41:26 lol Jun 22 20:41:32 this is getting painnful Jun 22 20:41:41 yup Jun 22 20:42:00 I would say try windows again BUT change yr routers IP range Jun 22 20:42:03 when the slugs in upgrade mode, should i be able to ping it on 192.168.0.1 Jun 22 20:42:17 i tried it seperately on the laptop in windows with teh same range Jun 22 20:42:27 yes, you should actually be able to telnet in on port 9000 as well Jun 22 20:42:31 hmm Jun 22 20:42:34 it wouldn't ping it Jun 22 20:42:48 telnet 192.168.0.1 9000 Jun 22 20:42:52 will get you in Jun 22 20:42:56 right Jun 22 20:42:57 errm Jun 22 20:43:03 if im changing my routers IP to 1.1 Jun 22 20:43:07 what do i want my pc's as? Jun 22 20:43:16 what do you mean? Jun 22 20:43:26 arping -f 192.168.0.1; telnet 192.168.0.1 9000 Jun 22 20:43:40 this will pick up the SLUG in the 2sec boot-window Jun 22 20:43:47 whats the point of sending me the linux command Jun 22 20:43:48 i cant use it Jun 22 20:43:56 try soz Jun 22 20:44:04 lol Jun 22 20:44:37 so what exactly am i doing? Jun 22 20:45:00 i know you said change the routers ip to 192.168.1.1 Jun 22 20:45:13 do i want my pc leaving on the 0.1 range? Jun 22 20:45:22 well no, what you need to do is change the IP range that your router provides Jun 22 20:45:33 right Jun 22 20:45:54 if you change the range to 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.254 Jun 22 20:45:58 but that is gonna mean my pc ends up on a different ip range Jun 22 20:46:10 to the slug in reboot or whatever Jun 22 20:46:23 yer, is that a problem, you are on an internal network Jun 22 20:46:31 oh that doesn't matter Jun 22 20:46:36 well, i can change it back at the end Jun 22 20:46:42 true Jun 22 20:47:14 I was just concerned IF you are trying to connect for an upgrade and yr router has the same IP as the slug in that mode then I fail to see how it can connect Jun 22 20:47:29 yeah i know Jun 22 20:47:42 but when ive done it with the pc straight into the router Jun 22 20:47:49 that cancels that out Jun 22 21:09:18 <[1]Reedy_Boy> i think somethings messed up the redboot Jun 22 21:09:21 <[1]Reedy_Boy> i cant ping it Jun 22 21:09:24 <[1]Reedy_Boy> i cant telnet into it Jun 22 21:09:26 <[1]Reedy_Boy> on 90000 Jun 22 21:09:28 <[1]Reedy_Boy> 9000 Jun 22 21:09:42 <[1]Reedy_Boy> i did get the web page to upload a firmware, but it said it was the wrong format or somethign Jun 22 21:10:55 anywho Jun 22 21:10:57 i need to be going Jun 22 21:11:06 all i can try is a FC box at college tommorow Jun 22 21:11:12 or knoppix on my machine later on Jun 22 21:13:38 thanks for the ideas Jun 22 21:13:59 i may be able to borrow a box if i cant get it done at college! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 23 02:59:57 2006