**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 08 02:59:57 2006 Aug 08 07:01:43 does anyone know how to go about compiling the intel ethernet drivers? i've got the 2 zip files from the intel site, but i can't find any documentation. Aug 08 09:18:23 hi all Aug 08 09:18:54 anyone has done the update for synology DS-101? Aug 08 10:49:14 hi Aug 08 10:50:26 i use debianslug (etch) 3.10 on a nslu2. which kernel-image from the ipkg repos is best suited for my device. i'm a little bit confused with nslu2le and ixp4xxle. Aug 08 10:50:46 is ixp4xx the generic? Aug 08 11:10:51 lemmy, are you trying to change the kernel? isn't it on flash? how can you change it? Aug 08 11:11:44 tuv: i'm in no way trying to change anything. i'm still in the understanding stage. ;) Aug 08 11:12:28 basically i want to figure out if the kernel-module-tun will work correctly on my nslu2 Aug 08 11:12:53 lemmy, as far as i can tell, you don't get to choose your kernel. if you install openslug 3.10 firmware then that's your kernel Aug 08 11:13:17 if you download the module from the 3.10 tree then it will work Aug 08 11:17:14 i did download it from the 3.10 tree. Aug 08 11:24:45 then it will work Aug 08 11:26:19 however tinc from debian etch isn't fully working. :( Aug 08 11:27:50 i know nothing about tinc, but you should be able to load the module, and that is the extent of guarantee Aug 08 11:28:18 yep, it loaded fine. Aug 08 18:30:22 anyone alive for a quick question .. i was looking to buy a nslu2 to attach my freecom 400gb drive to my lan, i read something on the we which suggested i may have to reformat my usb drive for it to work. apologies if this is a bit general, but does that sound right? Aug 08 18:38:02 anyone ;-) Aug 08 19:24:50 basdasdasd, it depends on which firmware you are going to use Aug 08 19:28:07 hi tuv, thanks for the reply Aug 08 19:28:18 so, between unslung, openslug etc Aug 08 19:28:25 yes Aug 08 19:28:36 well, i would describe myself as a linux novice Aug 08 19:28:53 i use some linux servers etc, but dont use a linux desktop at home Aug 08 19:29:19 im ok installing packages and stuff - so thought my profile fitter with the easier unslung version Aug 08 19:29:29 openslug/debianslug are regular linux systems and require linux partition formats (usually ext3, but not necessarily). no formatting required Aug 08 19:29:44 ok Aug 08 19:29:52 and unslung? Aug 08 19:30:14 unslung and linksys firmware used to require reformatting.. not sure now since they now have support for ntfs Aug 08 19:30:57 i see, i have three windows machines on this lan, and would require my files to be access from windows Aug 08 19:31:18 i presume all f/ws support samba, so seeing the files would not be a problem? Aug 08 19:31:19 there are ext3 drivers for windows :) Aug 08 19:31:39 of course.. samba is available everywhere Aug 08 19:31:49 which fw do you use? Aug 08 19:31:54 unslung-6.8 requires ext3 as "unslung"/boot partition Aug 08 19:32:25 can this partition be created whilst preserving data on disk? Aug 08 19:32:30 basdasdasd, i use debianSlug (openslug kernel with debian on top).. i love debian :) Aug 08 19:32:55 well, i have no allegience. my server is fbsd, but more by luck than choice Aug 08 19:34:12 i think basically i want the easiest life, to get up media serving/ssh/torrent/httpd without too much manual compilation Aug 08 19:34:14 basdasdasd, no, the unslung "bootdisk" must be native formatted by the linksys/unslung firmware (it is a special layout) Aug 08 19:35:11 sorry that i dont clearly understand, but this means the existing whole disk must be formatted and partitions recreated (data lost) with unslung Aug 08 19:36:26 yes, unslung as linksys fw, too, needs 3 partitions, one data, one conf, and one swap partition Aug 08 19:36:53 when you would run the unsling process Aug 08 19:37:36 but this isnt the case with openslug/debainslug? Aug 08 19:37:40 when you would use it as a nas, without any special features, then it isn't neccessary Aug 08 19:38:07 hmm well i need to run some applications, like the itunes server etc Aug 08 19:38:35 with a kind of debianess/openslug, you need at least a ext3 partition, or something else which is supported by the kernel Aug 08 19:47:49 im really no clearer on what i should use! oh well . more doc reading for me! Aug 08 21:39:40 does unslung support ntfs on usb port 1 & 2 ? Aug 08 21:41:52 hey.. is it normal to only get 3 mb/s to your SLUG ftp? Aug 08 21:42:24 run top on it Aug 08 21:42:41 i read an article today saying someones speeds were slow, and was just the performance of slug Aug 08 21:42:42 Blastur, was that MB or Mb? and is it a wired or wireless network? Aug 08 21:43:04 it's a wired network, 100 mbit.. and it's 3 megabytes/second Aug 08 21:43:49 basdasdasd, what article? Aug 08 21:44:14 two secs, i'll look - i read a lot of slug articles today Aug 08 21:44:17 Blastur, i used to get 3MB/s on a wireless network with kernel nfs, so you're not doing that bad. i'd check top too. if cpu is 100% then this is your limit Aug 08 21:45:09 http://www.dirkmann.org/nslu2.php Aug 08 21:45:22 The slow rate at the NSLU2 using 'scp' and "rsync' was explained by the small computing power of the NSLU2 (I consider de-underclocking the device but did not do so up to now). Looking at 'top' during data transfer shows 100% CPU-usage by 'scpd'. Using 'rcp' and 'rsync -e rcp' instead everything works as expected. I did not find 'rcp' in any precompiled package, so I compiled it myself. Aug 08 21:46:05 well, i'm not using scp or rsync, just plain unencrypted FTP.. and I have just de-underclocked my SLUG so that it runs at 266 MHz Aug 08 21:46:36 Blastur, i think ftp has more overhead the s/rcp Aug 08 21:46:51 Blastur, just check with top Aug 08 21:47:24 my old Pentium 100 Mhz with 64 MB ram box was able to sustain well over 6 megabytes/second, even with those crappy old disks.. and my slug runs with a brand new USB 2.0 disk.. should be good Aug 08 21:47:43 so slug is bottleneck for transferring files to it!? surely this is what its designed to do Aug 08 21:48:00 ok, i just re-installed stock firmware, so i can't check top right now... lemme install unslung Aug 08 21:48:12 Blastur, yes you can Aug 08 21:48:18 Blastur, enable telnet Aug 08 21:48:40 how do I enable telnet? Aug 08 21:49:01 http://nslu2-ip/Management/telnet.cgi Aug 08 21:49:07 iirc Aug 08 21:49:29 Content-type: text/html Aug 08 21:49:29 Error: File not found. Aug 08 21:49:32 ;( Aug 08 21:49:45 Blastur, so you're running ftp server on linksys firmware? Aug 08 21:50:00 is the 300gb disk limit still relevant for the slug? Aug 08 21:50:21 yeah, V2.3R63 comes with a built-in FTP server it seems.. never tried it before, but that's what I'm using to benchmark right now Aug 08 21:50:25 Blastur, try http://nslu2-ip/Management/ and look for telnet there Aug 08 21:51:04 basdasdasd, no, it's safe as far I know .. and there is no bottleneck for transferring files as far I know.. Aug 08 21:51:07 Blastur, i think you can get better rates with nfs/samba Aug 08 21:51:38 okay, lemme try measuring over samba then Aug 08 21:52:08 I wonder if it's a lot slower at writing,.. cause I was uploading at 3 Mb/s now Aug 08 21:52:12 so no 300gb limit with linksys firmware? or have to move to openslug/unslung ? Aug 08 21:52:34 basdasdasd, not sure about the official firmware.. my debianslug runs fine though. Aug 08 21:52:47 oh with > 300gb? Aug 08 21:53:16 yupp Aug 08 21:53:34 great - i also just read incompatibility with freecom usb drive (which happens to be mine!) Aug 08 21:53:48 did you order a slug? Aug 08 21:53:48 im just trying linksys online support to see if this is true Aug 08 21:53:56 * basdasdasd just bought one Aug 08 21:54:03 not yet received Aug 08 21:59:17 tuv, seems like samba is like ~3 megabytes/second Aug 08 21:59:29 i'm gonna test to see if its any faster at reading Aug 08 22:00:58 gonna take a while to get your dvds on that ;-) Aug 08 22:01:12 Blastur, to find out what your bottleneck is, consult top. if cpu is 100% then it's the bottleneck, otherwise it could be the disk, the network, or the other machine Aug 08 22:01:55 tuv, okay.. are you sure you can enable telnet on the stock firmware? cause i've checked everywhere in the admin interface now Aug 08 22:02:30 Blastur, i used to it. there is a chance they removed it in the new firmware though Aug 08 22:03:19 Blastur, http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/EnableTelnetThroughTheWebInterface Aug 08 22:05:03 Blastur, according to this page: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/FirmwareMatrix, it seems there is no telnet support anymore Aug 08 22:05:22 too bad.. guess i gotta try unslung then Aug 08 22:05:35 unslung is a good start Aug 08 22:05:50 too much hassle to install debianslug just to get top :) Aug 08 22:06:04 but once you get serious you're gonna want something more sophisticated, e.g. debianSlug (i love debian :) ) Aug 08 22:06:19 yeah, i ran debianslug on it just before Aug 08 22:06:39 but as I noticed slow transfers, i thought i'd install the stock firmware to do some testing Aug 08 22:06:46 to make sure it isn't because of the customized firmware Aug 08 22:07:29 hmm linksys support is useless Aug 08 22:07:41 Leizbeth (22222): I do apologize for the inconvenience, but for the drive that you have it will not work with the NSLU2. Aug 08 22:07:41 d: argh. this is a shame indeed! Aug 08 22:07:41 d: are you sure this is not just the freecom classic? Aug 08 22:07:41 Leizbeth (22222): It's okay. No problem about it. (Smile) Aug 08 22:07:41 d: well its a problem as i already own the freecom 400gb Aug 08 22:07:42 Leizbeth (22222): Basically, the device will only work for hard disk that is 250G and below. Aug 08 22:08:08 i'm using my slug for a number of services, so i can't complain about it's speed. besides i go through a wireless link to get to it, so i can always blame my wireless link for transfer speed Aug 08 22:08:17 my slug and i have an agreement ;) Aug 08 22:08:21 hehe Aug 08 22:08:26 but you get 3 Mb/s over WLAN? Aug 08 22:08:42 what clock frequency you running at? Aug 08 22:10:22 133MHz.. i used to get 3MB, but not anymore since i have other wireless machines now which share the bandwidth and i now use nfs-user-server instead of kernel-server which is slower. so now i get 2MB/s at most. usually 1.5MB/s Aug 08 22:11:09 and i have a number of other services running on the slug, so i'm not puzzled by the slowdown Aug 08 22:11:41 bottom line is that i can play movies off the slug very smoothly Aug 08 22:11:58 even on multiple clients at once Aug 08 22:12:41 do you play movie to tv or pc? Aug 08 22:13:25 i just found this: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/Performance .. and according to that it should be able to reach 4.7 MB/s Aug 08 22:14:46 tuv? Aug 08 22:15:26 4.7 MB/s not on a wireless link, and not on a busy slug Aug 08 22:15:35 i play movies on my laptop via nfs Aug 08 22:16:14 im trying to research the best media streaming device for plugging into the tv Aug 08 22:16:28 basdasdasd, i can recommend a mac mini for that Aug 08 22:16:31 i use it myself Aug 08 22:16:43 plug it directly into my tv using the dvi-connector Aug 08 22:16:48 a friend has a buffalo linkstation, although said it may not be compatible with twonky Aug 08 22:17:14 looks too expensive for my needs Aug 08 22:17:27 there are the mini atx machines too Aug 08 22:17:43 im thinking philips stremium or equiv. Aug 08 22:18:09 basdasdasd, what kind of interface do you have on your TV? you going for s-video/composite or what? Aug 08 22:18:33 i have a dirty old tv atm Aug 08 22:18:41 it will be scart in Aug 08 22:18:57 its a big old toshiba Aug 08 22:19:03 but i have problems with svideo on it Aug 08 22:19:13 okay, so whats your idea with the slug? connect some kind of tv-out usb thingie? Aug 08 22:19:28 no, stream using twonky or equiv Aug 08 22:19:44 whats twonky? Aug 08 22:19:57 media streaming software Aug 08 22:20:02 to upnp device Aug 08 22:20:04 s Aug 08 22:20:10 and you have a upnp device? Aug 08 22:20:30 no lol, thats the thing im looking to buy Aug 08 22:21:03 oh, okay :) Aug 08 22:21:06 i going to borrow this buffalo linkstation to see if it works Aug 08 22:21:13 with streamed feed, not direct usb input Aug 08 22:21:28 but its £150, and has dvd player - which i dont really need Aug 08 22:21:38 streamium seems a wifi media only solution Aug 08 22:23:47 thats cool Aug 08 22:24:30 www.mini-box.com Aug 08 22:26:32 http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.212/.f?sc=8&category=99 Aug 08 22:26:44 linksys support keep insisting to me there is a 250gb limit to the slug Aug 08 22:27:09 fanless 533MHz cpu with s-video out Aug 08 22:27:19 Leizbeth (22222): If you are going to use a hard disk that's beyond the limit, the device will not work properly and the disk will lock up. Aug 08 22:27:19 or composite Aug 08 22:27:20 basdasdasd, well, maybe thats true then .. but only with the stock firmware Aug 08 22:27:43 yeah maybe thats it Aug 08 22:28:14 lol tuv, im not keen on building it myself Aug 08 22:28:42 it's $105 Aug 08 22:29:01 indeed, but would require some software + some ram i guess Aug 08 22:29:06 i think you'll still need to buy some ram at least Aug 08 22:29:33 but it looks a lot of fun :) Aug 08 22:29:37 lol it does Aug 08 22:30:31 i guess would need some linux on there to do the tv end of recieving signal and pumping it out Aug 08 22:30:57 okay, finally got the telnet session running :) it's time for some top! Aug 08 22:31:06 im looking forward to getting my nslu2, and getting it set up Aug 08 22:31:24 basdasdasd, yeh, slugs kick ass Aug 08 22:31:41 i hope so, and hope its compatible with my freecom usb hd Aug 08 22:32:01 and that i dont have to spend the rest of my natural life compiling linux apps Aug 08 22:32:57 you don't need to compile a single bit for the slug Aug 08 22:33:50 great. good for a windows pussy like me Aug 08 22:34:12 probably it will get you on the linux track :) Aug 08 22:34:22 basdasdasd, if you install debianslug you get access to the full arm package repository.. it's actively maintained and contains like 17000+ precompiled apps.. you can search the repository at http://packages.debian.net/ Aug 08 22:34:45 and they dont require recompilation for this hardware? Aug 08 22:34:54 debian is an achievement for the human race :) Aug 08 22:34:55 no, the SLUG runs an ARM processor Aug 08 22:35:15 well - rest assured i'll be back in here in a few days Aug 08 22:35:30 upon successful delivery that is Aug 08 22:35:34 and the repository contains compiled versions for all kinds of cpus, like x86, 64 bit amds, arms, mips and shit Aug 08 22:36:04 well, thats two people who recommend debianslug Aug 08 22:36:04 debian supports 11 cpu architectures Aug 08 22:36:33 i use debian everywhere, so it's natural for me to enjoy it on the slug Aug 08 22:36:58 and its feasible to keep the existing data on the usb drive with a debian install to slug? or best to go from fresh? Aug 08 22:37:01 my laptop has been running debian for two years now (its age anyway) Aug 08 22:37:18 There are two alternative install processes: Aug 08 22:37:18 Install the DebianSlug firmware, and Bootstrap to an external hard disk. Aug 08 22:37:18 Install using d-i, the debian installer, as described at http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ Aug 08 22:37:24 which one did you do? Aug 08 22:37:46 go with debian slug firmware, and then bootstrap.. i tried the installer, it's still kinda buggy, and i was unable to complete the installation Aug 08 22:38:00 hmm.. tuv, this is weird, as I login with the standard admin/admin to my unslung, it kicks me out with with the message: No directory, logging in with HOME=/ Aug 08 22:38:13 i did both, but settled for debootstrap'ing openslug as it's kernel has more modules available Aug 08 22:38:42 oh, wait.. i just used the wrong login Aug 08 22:38:46 Blastur, edit your passwd file and set a home Aug 08 22:39:31 how do I do that without being able to login? :) Aug 08 22:39:52 how much of the disk does having a debian install on it consume? Aug 08 22:39:53 i just flashed with unslung, what account am I suppose to use? admin/admin or root/uNSLUng ? Aug 08 22:40:31 Blastur, for telnet/ssh use root Aug 08 22:40:55 basdasdasd, mine is ~300 MB, but I have MySQL, bacula and some other shit.. but it's recommended to have at least 512 mb so that you can have a swap partition (i got 100 mb) + ~400 mb for the sytem (so that logs can grow a little) Aug 08 22:41:25 i see Aug 08 22:41:30 i run my slug from a usb memory stick so that the external usb disk won't spin up as the system writes to the sytem logs etc Aug 08 22:41:47 yes i saw that in some articles Aug 08 22:42:06 tuv, what password? uNSLUng doesn't seem to work Aug 08 22:42:07 have you done some specific spindown thing to your hd? Aug 08 22:42:42 basdasdasd: nah, it seems to that on its own.. i tried experimenting with hdparm, but it didn't work out too well Aug 08 22:43:05 on my "normal" linux box i set spindown timer using hdparm, but it doesn't seem to work on USB disk the same way Aug 08 22:43:12 i'm sure there is a way to do it though Aug 08 22:43:25 there seems mixed results in the nslu2 wiki Aug 08 22:43:37 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug/Bootstrap < this text seems long and involved Aug 08 22:43:59 if i installed debianslug, i will still be able to use the itunes server? Aug 08 22:44:23 btw basdasdasd, if you read at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/WhatPeopleAreReallyUsingTheirSlugsFor there is at least 1 guy running a freecom branded drive (only 80 gb though) Aug 08 22:44:49 the bootstrap process is somewhat complex yeah, but the guide is kinda complete and easy to follow Aug 08 22:45:02 yeah i read that, although googleing "freecom nslu2" does bring back some people who are having trouble .. my slug is already on order, so its tough if there are problems Aug 08 22:45:07 you don't really need any linux skills, just the ability to follow instructions :) Aug 08 22:45:11 lol Aug 08 22:45:24 which version are you running? Aug 08 22:45:49 but he'll probably need some linux skills to maintain the system Aug 08 22:45:56 debian slug 3.10 beta Aug 08 22:46:07 same here Aug 08 22:46:24 Debian "Sid" (unstable) Bootstrap Aug 08 22:46:30 btw Blastur, have you tried getmail on debianslug? Aug 08 22:46:42 i'm using testing though, not unstable Aug 08 22:47:12 same as unstable bootstrap procedure, but replacing unstable with testing :) Aug 08 22:47:16 and with debianslug i can have a share visible to windows machines on my lan? Aug 08 22:47:26 sure, samba Aug 08 22:47:36 getmail? no, never tried it Aug 08 22:47:51 and samba will be easy to setup as part of this 3.10 install? Aug 08 22:48:19 after you debootstrap, you'll be running 100% debian system Aug 08 22:48:26 except for the kernel Aug 08 22:48:39 basdasdasd, yeh, you can get the same functionality as the linksys stock firmware (it too uses samba).. however, i must warn you, the configuration of samba can be somewhat boring and well, not that easy :P luckily there is an addon called Swat so that you can configure most of it via a web interface Aug 08 22:49:13 whats nfsserver for debian? Aug 08 22:50:36 there are a few: nfs-kernel-server, nfs-user-server, unfs3 Aug 08 22:51:25 and what do they do? Aug 08 22:51:29 GettingStartedWithSamba < looks epic Aug 08 22:52:39 hmm - im off to bed to dream of slugs - looks like it will take a fair bit of setup for me Aug 08 22:52:56 nn Aug 08 22:53:59 gnite Aug 08 22:55:29 m one quick last thing Aug 08 22:55:37 do you use a torrent script from the slug? Aug 08 23:00:25 torrent script? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 09 02:59:56 2006