**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 21 02:59:57 2006
Oct 21 11:34:48 <Pulse-R> hi all
Oct 21 11:35:46 <Pulse-R> should I just ask a question, or is there a 'correct' procedure to follow?
Oct 21 11:35:52 <blaster8> ask away
Oct 21 11:35:57 <Pulse-R> thanks
Oct 21 11:36:59 <Pulse-R> I'm having some trouble understanding this one... have Openslug installed ok on memory stick, but the stick will only work if it's hotplugged after power-up... any hints, or get new stick?
Oct 21 11:38:37 <Pulse-R> more info... The light in the stick comes on at power-up, then goes off when the other USB devices power on
Oct 21 11:38:57 <blaster8> How many USB devices do you have?
Oct 21 11:39:00 <Pulse-R> then I get 2 loud beeps and it loads off the internal flash
Oct 21 11:39:28 <Pulse-R> only 2 devices - the stick in port 2, and a USB sound (C-media) in slot 1
Oct 21 11:39:53 <blaster8> if you pull the USB sound device, does it then work?
Oct 21 11:40:14 <Pulse-R> I did have the sound in a USB hub, but I found the hub was preventing the slug from powring off (it was powered from the usb hub's B port!?!?!
Oct 21 11:40:28 <Pulse-R> I'll check
Oct 21 11:41:34 <Pulse-R> hahahaha that was an easy one
Oct 21 11:41:53 <Pulse-R> ok, so is there a way to prevent the sound card from mucking up the boot?
Oct 21 11:44:23 <blaster8> sounds like the combination of the 2 devices is drawing too much power
Oct 21 11:45:03 <blaster8> The problem may well lie in the USB sound card
Oct 21 11:45:18 <Pulse-R> ahh, so then the hub is needed to power the sound.. maybe I'll take the hub back as I don't believe it should be powering the slug...
Oct 21 11:45:37 <blaster8> it shouldn't really be powering the slug, without you having modded the hardware
Oct 21 11:45:43 <blaster8> unless the hub is also broken :)
Oct 21 11:45:50 <Pulse-R> esecially not from it's B (input) port
Oct 21 11:46:17 <Pulse-R> could be - hub is a Swann Platinum - brand new
Oct 21 11:46:48 <Pulse-R> all hardware seems to function correctly on windows machine..
Oct 21 11:51:16 <Eiffel> an acitve usb hub is powering the slug
Oct 21 11:52:31 <Pulse-R> yeh - but from the wrong port on the hub - 
Oct 21 11:52:52 <Pulse-R> i.e. the port on the back of the hub
Oct 21 11:52:57 <Pulse-R> ?!
Oct 21 12:19:23 <Pulse-R> thanks :)
Oct 21 12:19:25 <Pulse-R> exit
Oct 21 19:09:29 <z0mb> hi
Oct 21 19:10:16 <caplink811-log> morning :)
Oct 21 19:10:38 <z0mb> heh nah its 9:30 in the evening here :-)
Oct 21 19:10:45 <z0mb> i could really use some help... got an unslung NSLU2 where the disc suddently isnt mounting
Oct 21 19:10:58 <z0mb> i read the faq on the wiki
Oct 21 19:11:07 <z0mb> but it doesnt seem to work..
Oct 21 19:11:09 <z0mb> :-S
Oct 21 19:11:52 <z0mb> the drive is formatted in linux so i cant get the data on my windows, but it detects the drive so im pretty sure the drive is ok and the NSLU is to blame :-s
Oct 21 19:12:12 <z0mb> could someone give me some advice on how to get that damn thing mounted?
Oct 21 19:12:39 <drif> z0mb: on slug or where?
Oct 21 19:13:21 <caplink811-log> what happens, when you start the slug without a disk attached, then enable telnet, log in and plug the disk in, wait 2 minutes or so, and then use the webif, to see, if the disk is recognised?
Oct 21 19:13:32 <caplink811-log> ~ugt
Oct 21 19:13:33 <capbot_> somebody said ugt was Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
Oct 21 19:13:37 <caplink811-log> btw ;)
Oct 21 19:13:43 <z0mb> unslug not sure of version
Oct 21 19:14:03 <z0mb> i tried to log on with unslung root
Oct 21 19:14:20 <z0mb> didnt use webif tho whats that?
Oct 21 19:14:49 <blaster8> the web interface
Oct 21 19:14:57 <CieD> :)
Oct 21 19:15:00 <caplink811-log> webif == webinterface, http://ip_of_your_nslu:80
Oct 21 19:15:04 <z0mb> the web interface doesnt recognize
Oct 21 19:15:06 <z0mb> it
Oct 21 19:15:23 <z0mb> i tried to mount it but no luck
Oct 21 19:15:30 <caplink811-log> also, if you try it, in the way which i've described above?
Oct 21 19:16:33 <z0mb> yes i unplugged the drive as specified in http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/DiskNotMountedAtBoot
Oct 21 19:16:44 <z0mb> and plugged in the drive
Oct 21 19:16:50 <z0mb> and did a mount
Oct 21 19:17:13 <z0mb> not entirely sure of the syntax tho..
Oct 21 19:17:35 <z0mb> # mount
Oct 21 19:17:35 <z0mb> /dev/mtdblock4 on / type jffs2 (rw)
Oct 21 19:17:35 <z0mb> /proc on /proc type proc (rw)
Oct 21 19:17:35 <z0mb> usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw)
Oct 21 19:17:42 <caplink811-log> basically, mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/tmpmnt or something like that
Oct 21 19:17:59 <z0mb> ye but whats the first parameter
Oct 21 19:18:14 <z0mb> cuz i havent got any /dev/sda1
Oct 21 19:18:31 <caplink811-log> if this don't work, use fdisk -l /dev/sda and see if there are 3 partitions on the disk
Oct 21 19:18:49 <z0mb> hmm there better be!
Oct 21 19:19:03 <caplink811-log> /dev/sda1 is the 1st partition on the 1st disk
Oct 21 19:19:05 <z0mb> got 100 gb of music :-o
Oct 21 19:19:16 <blaster8> and no backup, no doubt...
Oct 21 19:19:25 <z0mb> well not of the music
Oct 21 19:19:47 <z0mb> it would take what a zilion dvds :-)
Oct 21 19:20:12 <caplink811-log> yeah, or another slug with another disk ;)
Oct 21 19:20:13 <z0mb> ok now i got a new rebooted device
Oct 21 19:20:18 <z0mb> with no usb disk
Oct 21 19:20:23 <z0mb> so i plug in the disc?
Oct 21 19:20:28 <caplink811-log> no
Oct 21 19:20:35 <caplink811-log> 1st login via telnet
Oct 21 19:20:40 <z0mb> dne that
Oct 21 19:20:46 <caplink811-log> 2nd plug the disk
Oct 21 19:20:56 <caplink811-log> 3rd wait ~2minutes
Oct 21 19:21:32 <z0mb> disc#1 right?
Oct 21 19:21:54 <caplink811-log> 4th if there is an activity on the disk (led) wait 5 minutes more
Oct 21 19:22:22 <caplink811-log> that depends, on that port on which you used the unsling command
Oct 21 19:22:43 <z0mb> disc#2 was for flash right?
Oct 21 19:22:47 <z0mb> originlly
Oct 21 19:23:34 <caplink811-log> we should see, which version do you use, you may see it in on the 1st page of the webif, i assume
Oct 21 19:23:55 <z0mb> V2.3R29-uNSLUng-5.5-beta
Oct 21 19:23:59 <caplink811-log> k
Oct 21 19:24:14 <caplink811-log> did you ever use /sbin/unsling disk1?
Oct 21 19:24:20 <z0mb> the led is not blinking at all
Oct 21 19:24:29 <z0mb> hmm what does that do?
Oct 21 19:25:07 <caplink811-log> this command is the basic that yo can "boot" the slug from your external data media
Oct 21 19:25:23 <caplink811-log> so, you never use it, k
Oct 21 19:25:54 <z0mb> i never log on to it.. so far the nslu has just worked
Oct 21 19:26:02 <z0mb> it runs a slimdevice server thats it
Oct 21 19:26:18 <caplink811-log> as you mentioned above, the disk is ext3 formated, by you/the nslu?
Oct 21 19:26:43 <z0mb> gah cant remember witch.. i follwed the directions on the wiki
Oct 21 19:26:55 <z0mb> its been ½ yr since i touched it
Oct 21 19:27:17 <z0mb> this beaut usually just *works* so no need to interfere :-)
Oct 21 19:27:38 <z0mb> should i try fdisk?
Oct 21 19:28:47 <z0mb> # fdisk -l /dev/sda
Oct 21 19:28:51 <z0mb> didnt give any result
Oct 21 19:28:55 <z0mb> no response
Oct 21 19:29:01 <caplink811-log> when you logged on, pplug the disk in, then yes
Oct 21 19:29:13 <caplink811-log> hm
Oct 21 19:29:26 <z0mb> mount doesnt show it either
Oct 21 19:29:34 <caplink811-log> what happens, when you plug the disk at the 2nd port?
Oct 21 19:30:19 <z0mb> disc boots again but nothing more
Oct 21 19:30:22 <z0mb> what should happen?
Oct 21 19:30:50 <caplink811-log> green led should become green, maybe
Oct 21 19:30:56 <z0mb> ann no
Oct 21 19:30:59 <z0mb> ahh no
Oct 21 19:31:41 <caplink811-log> k, so the slug doesn't recognised the disk nor on port 1 neither on port 2..
Oct 21 19:32:05 <z0mb> nope
Oct 21 19:32:14 <z0mb> i tried plugging in a flash
Oct 21 19:32:20 <caplink811-log> when you use the "ps -ef | more" command, you should see 2 processes
Oct 21 19:32:21 <z0mb> in disc2 and that one lights the led
Oct 21 19:32:59 <z0mb> # ps -ef | more
Oct 21 19:32:59 <z0mb> more: No such file or directory
Oct 21 19:32:59 <z0mb> #
Oct 21 19:33:19 <z0mb> havent enabled more i guess
Oct 21 19:33:34 <caplink811-log> k, then only ps -ef, 2 processes USB_detect, or something like that should be there
Oct 21 19:34:07 <caplink811-log> wb
Oct 21 19:34:09 <caplink811-log> k, then only ps -ef, 2 processes USB_detect, or something like that should be there
Oct 21 19:34:27 * z0mb whistles
Oct 21 19:34:30 <z0mb> did u see the processes
Oct 21 19:34:37 <z0mb> or was i kicked first?
Oct 21 19:34:49 <caplink811-log> the latter
Oct 21 19:34:51 <z0mb> 546 root 1880 S /usr/sbin/USB_Detect
Oct 21 19:34:51 <z0mb> 547 root 1872 S /usr/sbin/USB_Detect
Oct 21 19:35:15 <z0mb> so what does the doctor say? good or bad? :-)
Oct 21 19:35:51 <caplink811-log> that is ok, because they recognised devices on the usb ports
Oct 21 19:36:22 <caplink811-log> the disk is external powered?
Oct 21 19:36:39 <z0mb> yep
Oct 21 19:36:42 <caplink811-log> k
Oct 21 19:36:50 <z0mb> its a 500gb 5½
Oct 21 19:36:55 <z0mb> 25
Oct 21 19:37:37 <caplink811-log> are you able to boot your pc with a knoppix (www.knopper.net) cd ?
Oct 21 19:37:56 <z0mb> a linux boot disk?
Oct 21 19:37:58 <caplink811-log> or have you another kind of linux live-cd at hand?
Oct 21 19:38:21 <z0mb> hmmm i think the only linux i got is a wardrive boot cd for labtop ;-)
Oct 21 19:38:49 <z0mb> so i get an iso from knopper, burn it and boot?
Oct 21 19:38:55 <z0mb> to see if the drive is alive
Oct 21 19:38:59 <caplink811-log> if it is a "live" cd, where you can boot into a command line or a x-server it's ok, too
Oct 21 19:39:07 <caplink811-log> yes that is the idea
Oct 21 19:39:20 <z0mb> hmm i feel like Bambi on the ice
Oct 21 19:39:38 <z0mb> im a developer but 100% windows so linux scares me :-S
Oct 21 19:41:06 <caplink811-log> no fear ;)
Oct 21 19:41:15 <z0mb> KNOPPIX_V3.9-2005-05-27-EN.iso right?
Oct 21 19:41:31 <z0mb> caplink is here?
Oct 21 19:41:33 <z0mb> :-S
Oct 21 19:41:39 <caplink811-log> may be a little to old
Oct 21 19:42:05 <z0mb> hmm the newer ones are md5
Oct 21 19:42:11 <z0mb> md5 thats an encryption..
Oct 21 19:42:14 <z0mb> or?
Oct 21 19:42:24 <caplink811-log> md5 checksum this is
Oct 21 19:42:32 <z0mb> ok so its a hash?
Oct 21 19:42:48 <z0mb> http://klid.dk/homeftp/knoppix/
Oct 21 19:43:07 <z0mb> the later ones are only the checksum.. no iso
Oct 21 19:43:21 <caplink811-log> http://www.kernel.org/pub/dist/knoppix/KNOPPIX_V5.0.1CD-2006-06-01-EN.iso should work
Oct 21 19:44:08 <z0mb> sigh.. ye but 70knb/sec
Oct 21 19:44:15 <z0mb> ill check a nearer mirror
Oct 21 19:45:09 <caplink811-log> http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/
Oct 21 19:45:15 <z0mb> ye checking
Oct 21 19:45:22 <z0mb> slug only got danish
Oct 21 19:45:24 <z0mb> slug.dk
Oct 21 19:45:28 <z0mb> <- danish
Oct 21 19:45:35 <z0mb> would that be ok?
Oct 21 19:46:34 <z0mb> ok found a finnish mirror
Oct 21 19:46:40 <z0mb> 300kb/sec
Oct 21 19:46:43 <z0mb> :-)
Oct 21 19:46:47 <caplink811-log> http://tyge.sslug.dk/knoppix/KNOPPIX_V5.0.1CD-2006-09-24-DA.iso maybe
Oct 21 19:47:12 <z0mb> when i boot on this knoppix thingy what do i do? just plug in the usb ?
Oct 21 19:47:18 <z0mb> is it console or gui?
Oct 21 19:48:04 * z0mb sighs: i knew i should have formatted the disc in NTFS or WIN32
Oct 21 19:48:07 <z0mb> FAT32 even
Oct 21 19:48:31 <caplink811-log> it has a gui, boot up, open a terminal and then "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda" (when your laptop haven't a scsi disk)
Oct 21 19:48:54 <z0mb> its a pc
Oct 21 19:49:03 <z0mb> the laptops @ work right now so
Oct 21 19:49:15 <z0mb> and the pc has ide
Oct 21 19:49:25 <z0mb> ehh
Oct 21 19:49:28 <z0mb> SATA
Oct 21 19:49:32 <z0mb> is that a problem?
Oct 21 19:49:54 <caplink811-log> no not realy, depends how much disks are in your pc
Oct 21 19:50:06 <z0mb> hmm 2 or 3 cant remember
Oct 21 19:50:11 <z0mb> 2 i think
Oct 21 19:50:21 <z0mb> one ata and one sata
Oct 21 19:51:04 <caplink811-log> if there are 1 sata, then the usb device should be /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sda (this one is the 1st sata disk)
Oct 21 19:53:00 <z0mb> (c:) is an 8gb logical NTFS partition
Oct 21 19:53:11 <z0mb> (d:) is a fat32
Oct 21 19:53:27 <z0mb> (e:) is NTFS (SATA)
Oct 21 19:55:44 <z0mb> well if this doesnt work ill take the hd with me to work and get our IT to look at it
Oct 21 19:56:04 <caplink811-log> this is another option :)
Oct 21 19:56:17 <z0mb> he's member of danish linux community so i guess he knows his linux :-)
Oct 21 19:56:38 <caplink811-log> btw, have you another usb cable avaiable?
Oct 21 19:56:44 <z0mb> sigh i just moved 50 gb music to that disc yesterday
Oct 21 19:56:59 <z0mb> with what jacks?
Oct 21 19:57:32 <caplink811-log> yeah but yesterday is the past... like the cable on your disk, to make it sure, that the cable has no problems
Oct 21 19:57:46 <z0mb> ah. hmm ye
Oct 21 19:58:00 <z0mb> the weird thing is i just ripped a cd on it
Oct 21 19:58:07 <z0mb> then i put in another of my cds
Oct 21 19:58:22 <z0mb> and its ripped but couldnt copy the files
Oct 21 19:58:26 <z0mb> so im like wtf..?!
Oct 21 19:58:55 <caplink811-log> sh*t happens everyday... 
Oct 21 19:59:05 <caplink811-log> ~wtf wtf
Oct 21 19:59:06 <z0mb> mmm tell me about it
Oct 21 19:59:08 <capbot_> WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck 
Oct 21 19:59:21 <z0mb> B-)
Oct 21 19:59:25 <caplink811-log> ~good bot
Oct 21 19:59:25 <capbot_> thanks, caplink811-log
Oct 21 19:59:46 <z0mb> its like a tagamochy or whats it called
Oct 21 19:59:53 <z0mb> only you dont have to pet it :-)
Oct 21 20:00:06 <caplink811-log> ooh, that works, too
Oct 21 20:00:10 <caplink811-log> ~botsnack
Oct 21 20:00:10 <capbot_> thanks, caplink811-log
Oct 21 20:00:11 <z0mb> ~pet bot
Oct 21 20:00:24 <z0mb> :-O
Oct 21 20:01:25 * z0mb calculates how many hours it took him to rip those 1000 cds
Oct 21 20:01:42 <z0mb> good thing is i got them @ the attic
Oct 21 20:02:14 * caplink811-log thinks, if anything is broken, then it maybe the cable, the controller, the power supply, but at least the disk
Oct 21 20:02:41 <z0mb> the disc boots
Oct 21 20:02:46 <caplink811-log> so it should be possible, to pput the disk in another enclosure, and get the data from it
Oct 21 20:02:51 <z0mb> and get power from usb plug
Oct 21 20:03:00 <z0mb> cuz windows reacts when i plug it in
Oct 21 20:03:08 <caplink811-log> k
Oct 21 20:03:15 <z0mb> it just cant read it..
Oct 21 20:03:38 * z0mb think he remembers he read about windoze being able to read ext3
Oct 21 20:03:51 <drif> not without external software though
Oct 21 20:04:10 <z0mb> external as in not ms?
Oct 21 20:04:12 <caplink811-log> ifs or ext2fs
Oct 21 20:04:22 <z0mb> http://verens.com/archives/2005/09/30/mounting-ext3-in-windows/
Oct 21 20:05:02 <z0mb> ur psychic or something cap? ;-)
Oct 21 20:05:13 <caplink811-log> http://www.fs-driver.org/ is the shorter way
Oct 21 20:05:14 <z0mb> http://www.fs-driver.org/index.html
Oct 21 20:05:19 <z0mb> ha beat u to it
Oct 21 20:05:21 <z0mb> ;-)
Oct 21 20:05:45 <z0mb> this might be more solid ground for me than booting in linux :-s
Oct 21 20:05:59 <caplink811-log> this don't resolve your problem, but it is a way to save your data
Oct 21 20:06:10 <z0mb> ye or see if its still there
Oct 21 20:06:23 <z0mb> if the drive is fukked it still has guarantee
Oct 21 20:06:38 <z0mb> im more worried about my music
Oct 21 20:06:45 <caplink811-log> but you lost an among of data/time
Oct 21 20:07:00 <z0mb> huh?
Oct 21 20:07:53 <caplink811-log> when you take the guaranty (drive is broken), you lost your data and the time (rip it, work on it)
Oct 21 20:08:17 <z0mb> ye but if its not the disc i can put it into the pc directly
Oct 21 20:09:03 <caplink811-log> drif, thanks for the flash of thought
Oct 21 20:09:43 <z0mb> hmm now i dont get the usb detection sound in windows anymore weird
Oct 21 20:11:20 <caplink811-log> but it should be possible, that you open the control panel, and open the ifs applet, where you can assign a drive letter to the ext3 drive/partition
Oct 21 20:11:48 <z0mb> ye but the installer program doesnt detect it either
Oct 21 20:11:59 <z0mb> neither do disc managemtn
Oct 21 20:12:01 <caplink811-log> hm
Oct 21 20:12:18 <caplink811-log> maybe the controller dies slowly
Oct 21 20:12:42 <z0mb> doesnt look like its much in control thats for sure
Oct 21 20:14:34 <caplink811-log> in german, there is a byword, the aspiration dies in the end
Oct 21 20:14:44 <blaster8> time to remove the disk drive from the USB controller and plug it in via ATA
Oct 21 20:14:59 <caplink811-log> another nice option..
Oct 21 20:28:02 <z0mb> ye but if i do.. i void the warranty
Oct 21 20:28:06 <z0mb> :-s
Oct 22 00:12:04 <Pulse-R> morning all
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