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Jan 08 03:43:23 <chacko> Hi mwester,  any idea why 'tune2efs -l /dev/sda1' is writing somewhere on the disk?  How to find which file was modified?
Jan 08 03:49:04 <mwester> what evidence do you have that would indicate that it was writing to the disk?
Jan 08 03:52:06 <chacko> mwester, sorry I was trying to register my nick ...
Jan 08 03:52:24 <chacko> the /proc/diskstats write count did increase when I did that
Jan 08 03:53:43 <chacko> my /tmp is pointing at /media/mem/tmp, and I can see by writing a file at the disk or tmp that the first increases the count and the second does not
Jan 08 03:56:13 <chacko> for the diskstats output on my slugos/be, after the root partition sda1 the 2nd param is the readcount and 4th the right count
Jan 08 03:56:33 <mwester> Where is tune2fs itself located?  might it be that the date-time accessed stamp on the executable has been updated?
Jan 08 03:57:24 <chacko> /sbin/tune2fs
Jan 08 03:57:26 <mwester> I doubt very much that the "-l" option will write to the disk, that would seem illogical.  Perhaps it might flush the journal, or mark the journal, but I wouldn't expect it to do so.
Jan 08 03:58:24 <chacko> other experiments i did show conistent expected results for r w counts
Jan 08 03:58:26 <mwester> Were I you, I would assume, for the moment, that the code in tunefs does not modify the target unless the command line options to do so are specified (although a check of the man pages or other docs would be good to see what the default options really are.
Jan 08 03:58:28 <mwester> )
Jan 08 03:59:42 <mwester> If, after examining all other possibilities (like the shell or other processes involved in starting the tunefs execuable itself are updating disk info), then you should probably get the source and examine the source code to see what it's up to. 
Jan 08 04:00:47 <mwester> You should also condider other side-effects, such as the activities of tune2fs might do something that would trigger the kernel itself to update the disk...
Jan 08 04:01:32 <chacko> i will follow up ... might even ask at the #gentoo channel :)
Jan 08 04:02:19 <mwester> Sure.  Just be careful that you don't jump to conclusions too quickly about where the I/O might originate; the kernel and the I/O and filesystem code is quite complex.
Jan 08 04:03:05 <mwester> (Didn't know you were running gentoo on the slug -- seems to be a bunch of folks doing that lately!)
Jan 08 04:03:22 <chacko> btw, (yesterdays topic), I looked at turnup script and it is rather long :( could not quite figure out exactly what differences the disk vs flash
Jan 08 04:03:29 <chacko> diferences are 
Jan 08 04:04:22 <chacko> No, i am not running #gentoo on the box, #gentoo channel seems to have a fair amount *nix savvy people
Jan 08 04:04:33 <chacko> I am now on slugos/be only
Jan 08 04:05:04 <chacko> Have a running unSlung on another slug too, but migrating to slugos/be --- 95% done
Jan 08 04:08:10 <mwester> Question chacko, just so I know how best to help others - you'll be querying the Gentoo folks because they have better knowlege than you find here, or because you're not getting the answer you want here?
Jan 08 04:08:55 <mwester> I get the sense from time to time that you wish for people to give you the precise answer, while I think folks here tend more toward giving the tools to enable you to find the answer for yourself.
Jan 08 04:09:52 <mwester> JMO - but I think that were you to undertake to learn shell scripting and figure out the turnup script, that knowlege would benefit you far longer than if someone were to analyze turnup and tell you what two or three differences there are between disk and flash.
Jan 08 04:09:52 <chacko> mwester, frankly i cannot answer your question since i have only a few days total experience on all the irc together :)
Jan 08 04:11:00 <mwester> Again, just my opinion - it might help if you understand where I'm coming from and why I sometimes cannot answer your question concisely and directly :) 
Jan 08 04:11:33 <chacko> usually when I ask a question, I am not expecting anybody to spend any time analyzing or researching the topic, not even looking at the script
Jan 08 04:12:19 <chacko> but if somebody happens to know it is, for example needs a tag file set, i can rely on somebody else's knowledge...
Jan 08 04:14:56 <mwester> True, and speaking for myself, if I knew of the existance of a tag file I certainly would inform a novice of such - while encouraging them to not use it, and to use turnup instead.  I sense that you wish to move beyond that and understand what lies beneath the GUI and scripts, and that's why I would encourage digging into the internals of the tool.  Besides, we can always use more developers, and testers, and knowledge beyond the "operator" 
Jan 08 04:14:56 <mwester> level is important!
Jan 08 04:15:46 <chacko> Thanks
Jan 08 04:16:23 <mwester> Anyway, I just want to make sure that you don't feel that anyone is "chasing you off" to other places because they are reluctant to provide you answers - not the case at all!
Jan 08 04:17:19 <chacko> I am over 60, and my bandwidth and linux experience is rather limited, just for your info
Jan 08 04:17:41 <mwester> When you revisit the turnup script, let me know, I'll be happy to step you through the logic and figure out what it really is doing.
Jan 08 04:18:10 <chacko> Thanks
Jan 08 12:23:21 <NSLU2-IRC> hi all
Jan 08 12:23:28 <NSLU2-IRC> test
Jan 08 12:23:38 <stojan> ok
Jan 08 12:25:34 <stojan> hi all
Jan 08 12:38:43 <stojan> hi on what port should i format my disk?
Jan 08 12:39:01 <stojan> running V2.3R63-uNSLUng-6.8-beta  
Jan 08 12:39:59 <Tobbe> stojan: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/WhichUSBPortforUnslung6
Jan 08 12:43:40 <stojan> i have a used HDD i formated as FAT32 and now i use it as extern
Jan 08 12:44:47 <stojan> if i plug it at nslu it says i should format...
Jan 08 12:45:33 <stojan> but it works for a while and then it says NOT formated...i put back the HDD into the PC and it says its EXt2,EXT2 and SWAP on it
Jan 08 12:49:32 <Tobbe> so you try to format the drive, and after a while the nslu2 says it couldn't format it. But then when you put it in your PC it looks like it has been formated?
Jan 08 12:50:36 <stojan> yea
Jan 08 12:50:43 <stojan> but not with EXT3 its with EXT2
Jan 08 12:54:31 <stojan> ill try again
Jan 08 12:55:19 <stojan> it says not formated afet 10 secs
Jan 08 12:56:23 <Tobbe> It was too long ago I unslung my nslu2, I can't remeber this stuff. I don't think I can help you, you better hang around for someone that knows more... Sorry
Jan 08 12:56:51 <stojan> np
Jan 08 12:57:04 <stojan> ill format it with EXT3 under win
Jan 08 12:58:00 <Tobbe> that isn't enough though, the slug needs very specific files on the partition for it to work
Jan 08 12:58:04 <stojan> whats the telnet command to shutdown nslu?
Jan 08 12:59:00 <Tobbe> Here's some info on what needs to be on the drive for the slug to recognize it http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/WhatIsANativeUnslungDisk
Jan 08 13:35:04 <stojan> hi back and, yea thanks, i made it, i have a EXT3 formated HDD on my slug
Jan 08 13:42:25 <stojan> undr port 1 it says formated as EXT3 and at port 2 its not formated....
Jan 08 13:45:02 <Tobbe> stojan: good to hear :)
Jan 08 13:49:18 <stojan> and the nslu doesnt want to format the disk at port 2 but at 1 he formats as ext3
Jan 08 15:29:52 <NSLU2-IRC> hi
Jan 08 15:30:03 <stojan> i have a problem
Jan 08 15:30:47 <stojan> http://phpfi.com/191752   heres what telnet says when i want to unsling
Jan 08 15:32:25 <ByronT> stojan, did the drive show as formatted in the web interface prior to your attemp?
Jan 08 15:41:06 <stojan> yea formated as EXT3
Jan 08 15:42:21 <stojan> u need other infos?
Jan 08 15:42:31 <stojan> *more
Jan 08 15:43:18 <ByronT> it can be formatted anything - but unless the web interface states that it is "Ready...  ####MB Free" - it won't be available to unsling to
Jan 08 15:44:01 <stojan>  USB Port 2:  	Ready, 184728MB (100% Free)
Jan 08 15:44:06 <ByronT> if your web interface is stating that (and that's the only drive connected) then something else is going on....
Jan 08 15:44:59 <stojan> i looked at a page and if i type "df" it says that sda1 is free but sda2 is missing!
Jan 08 15:45:46 <ByronT> what was that page of your telnet display
Jan 08 15:47:07 <ByronT> (I had to kill Firefox and so lost my link to it...)
Jan 08 15:47:25 <stojan> http://pion.xs4all.nl/~marceln/slug/   thats where i saw the commands
Jan 08 15:47:56 <ByronT> I mean the pasting of your telnet output that you linked earlier
Jan 08 15:48:39 <ByronT> k, I found it
Jan 08 15:48:41 <stojan> http://phpfi.com/191760
Jan 08 15:48:47 <stojan> heres the new one
Jan 08 15:48:50 <stojan> i add smth
Jan 08 15:53:12 <ByronT> okee...  
Jan 08 15:53:36 <ByronT> if it were my slug and my hd, I would make sure that any data that I had on the disk is copied somewhere else
Jan 08 15:53:55 <ByronT> and then format disk in windows (so only one partition) and then reformat on slug
Jan 08 15:54:08 <ByronT> and retry unslinging
Jan 08 15:54:31 <stojan> i did that
Jan 08 15:54:39 <HoStyle> hi there
Jan 08 15:54:50 <ByronT> if that works then you're good to go, if not, then a serialized slug might be required to see what is happening with that disk
Jan 08 15:55:10 <ByronT> HoStyle, hi
Jan 08 15:56:11 <HoStyle> how are your slug? :)
Jan 08 15:59:12 <ByronT> mine are fine... stojan's not so much....
Jan 08 15:59:21 <stojan> yea my one suck
Jan 08 15:59:46 <stojan> i just need to get the sda2 in the command "df"
Jan 08 16:01:41 <stojan> and when i press on public data this one comes" The requested URL was not found on this server. "
Jan 08 16:02:13 <ByronT> yeah, something funky is wrong with the formatting that your slug is doing - it sounds like
Jan 08 16:02:41 <ByronT> maybe flash an older firmware from Linksys and get that hd re-formatted with it
Jan 08 16:03:01 <ByronT> (make sure that you blow the partitions away with a windows box first)
Jan 08 16:03:09 <ByronT> and then re-attempt this....
Jan 08 16:03:10 <HoStyle> wtf sda?
Jan 08 16:03:16 <HoStyle> *sda2
Jan 08 16:03:33 <ByronT> it sounds like the fdisk is screwey
Jan 08 16:04:19 <HoStyle> the second hd?
Jan 08 16:04:45 <stojan> no
Jan 08 16:05:07 <stojan> linksys makes 3 partions on the hdd, sda1= main,,sda2=cfg sda3 = swap
Jan 08 16:05:14 <stojan> but my sda2 isnt mounted
Jan 08 16:06:03 <HoStyle> and so you have the original firmware...
Jan 08 16:06:11 <ByronT> but if you're trying to go the public share and getting an error there too.... something is definitely wonky with the fdisk/formatting happening
Jan 08 16:08:27 <stojan> hmm
Jan 08 16:08:27 <stojan> i need somehow to mount sda2
Jan 08 16:08:46 <stojan> and im running V2.3R63-uNSLUng-6.8-beta
Jan 08 16:08:58 <ByronT> but the public share is on sda1
Jan 08 16:09:35 <ByronT> since you can't get there, the web interface is giving you bunk for the "Ready...."
Jan 08 16:10:29 <stojan> whats the command to format the hdd over telnet? mke2fs
Jan 08 16:12:09 <stojan> ok
Jan 08 16:12:11 <stojan> got it
Jan 08 16:12:17 <stojan> im now formating
Jan 08 16:12:18 <mwester> stojan: the NSLU2 does *NOT* use a standard format of the disk - you cannot format the disk by any other means than the Web GUI.
Jan 08 16:13:03 <mwester> If you wish to Unsling, you *MUST* use the web GUI, there is no command line mechanism available.  (that would be a good enhancement, but nobody has ever written such a tool)
Jan 08 16:13:38 <stojan> to unsling?
Jan 08 16:13:50 <stojan> to unsling i should use /sbin/unsling disk2
Jan 08 16:14:02 <stojan> do i?
Jan 08 16:14:57 <ByronT> to prepare any disk for use with a nslu2 whether it's for unslinging or for just general use, you *must* use the linksys web interface
Jan 08 16:15:07 <stojan> i did
Jan 08 16:15:07 <ByronT> there is no choice
Jan 08 16:15:08 <mwester> stojan: you may ONLY unsling if you have FIRST formatted the disk from the Web GUI
Jan 08 16:15:20 <stojan> it says formated (EXT3)
Jan 08 16:15:37 <stojan> sda1 is mounted
Jan 08 16:15:53 <ByronT> I can get one of mine to say that too...  but the disk won't have /sda2 or /sda3 (swap) partitions
Jan 08 16:15:58 <stojan> but i saw on a site that sda2 should be mounted too, but mine isnt
Jan 08 16:16:09 <mwester> Yes, stojan: you DID NOT follow the instructions
Jan 08 16:16:13 <ByronT> something is wonky with the format that your disk status....
Jan 08 16:16:26 <stojan> aha...ok gotcha
Jan 08 16:16:38 <stojan> but i did this for lthe like 10th time
Jan 08 16:17:16 <ByronT> that's why I suggested formatting with an older linksys f/w
Jan 08 16:17:25 <mwester> Then you must find out what has gone wrong 10 times, and fix it - or it won't work.
Jan 08 16:17:46 <ByronT> the only explanation I can come up with is that your currect firmware has a messed up formatting procedure
Jan 08 16:17:53 <stojan> but if i format with older fw i mean like R29 doesnt it format as FAT/NTFS?
Jan 08 16:18:01 <ByronT> no
Jan 08 16:18:13 <stojan> ok ill use R29
Jan 08 16:18:19 <ByronT> linksys firmware has only and will only format ext3
Jan 08 16:18:36 <stojan> kk
Jan 08 16:18:38 <ByronT> it has never formatted NTFS
Jan 08 16:18:42 <stojan> redbootin :)
Jan 08 16:18:52 <ByronT> make sure that disk works FINE with R29 first
Jan 08 16:19:05 <ByronT> public share accessible, users added, etc...
Jan 08 16:19:13 <stojan> mhm
Jan 08 16:19:40 <ByronT> once you know it works with the linksys firmware, then you're ready to flash unslung and then unsling the disk
Jan 08 16:20:20 <stojan> is 25 good or should i use 29?
Jan 08 16:20:41 <ByronT> either should be fine
Jan 08 16:20:57 <stojan> k
Jan 08 16:21:26 <stojan> which veriso u are usin?
Jan 08 16:22:26 <ByronT> I've got unslung 6.8, openslug 3.01, and two linksys r63 slugs (the two linksys ones don't aren't powered most of the time)
Jan 08 16:22:48 <stojan> wow
Jan 08 16:23:02 <stojan> unslug working at R63?
Jan 08 16:23:42 <stojan> or is this just cuz im unlsug usin from flash, and after unslugin it wil show 6.8?
Jan 08 16:26:54 <HoStyle> he3y, why dont you back up the partition with sensible datas and make a total format?
Jan 08 16:27:47 <stojan> the disk is empty
Jan 08 16:28:40 <HoStyle> and so where is the problem? reset this slugga and change your firmware, llLooser ! :)
Jan 08 16:28:48 <stojan> whats the default login over telnet? at normal firmware?
Jan 08 16:29:03 <HoStyle> *looser firmware ;)
Jan 08 16:29:13 <stojan> have to
Jan 08 16:29:13 <stojan> :P
Jan 08 16:29:17 <stojan> so what is it
Jan 08 16:29:24 <HoStyle> watch on wiki
Jan 08 16:29:46 <HoStyle> under flashing firmware/hot to begins
Jan 08 16:29:50 <HoStyle> *how
Jan 08 16:31:56 <stojan> can u gimme link im in a hurry
Jan 08 16:32:14 <HoStyle> what the topic
Jan 08 16:32:18 <HoStyle> *watch
Jan 08 16:32:30 <HoStyle> http://www.nslu2-linux.org )
Jan 08 16:34:02 <HoStyle> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/OpenSlugDefaultPassword
Jan 08 16:34:21 <HoStyle> stojan ^^
Jan 08 16:35:03 <stojan> not for openslug for firmware v25
Jan 08 16:39:52 <HoStyle> duh
Jan 08 16:40:01 <stojan> so if somebody knows the login over telnet at firmware  V2.3R25 plz post it ty
Jan 08 16:40:28 <ByronT> stojan, why do you need to login?
Jan 08 16:40:28 <stojan> i tried admin/admin   admin/root root/admin root/root
Jan 08 16:40:41 <ByronT> you're just using R25 to format via the web interface
Jan 08 16:41:14 <ByronT> and then verify that the disk works (public shareable, writeable, browseable, etc...)
Jan 08 16:41:44 <stojan> ok
Jan 08 16:41:52 <stojan> ill do it when im back from school :P
Jan 08 16:42:00 <ByronT> when you've done that, then you reflash unslung 6.8 (if that's where you want to end up) and follow the README line for line
Jan 08 16:42:33 <stojan> yea i know how to flash to unslug
Jan 08 16:43:10 <stojan> ok ty for the moment be back at 11
Jan 08 16:43:17 <ByronT> even *I* follow the README line for line when I'm prepping an unSlung slug
Jan 08 16:44:40 <caplink811_log> morning, really funny, reading the backlog... you're patient guys
Jan 08 16:45:06 <ByronT> I had *lots* of coffee
Jan 08 16:45:46 <caplink811_log> ByronT, if you have spare time, and need a little fun, then you should read the logs from yesterday, and the day before yesterday
Jan 08 16:46:29 <ByronT> spare time is not something I have lots of...  for that matter, I stopped reading logs a looooooong time ago  ;)
Jan 08 16:46:36 <caplink811_log> jelle, i've won this bet ;)
Jan 08 16:46:50 <ByronT> but if I do somehow (by miracle) get the time, I'll see what I can do
Jan 08 16:48:47 <caplink811_log> this sto/stojan guy is around since 3 days, asking each day the same questions, receiving each day the same answers/hints/links, but it is useless...
Jan 08 16:49:28 <HoStyle> mmhh..
Jan 08 16:49:48 * caplink811_log puts a reminder at 11 cet+1, and get chips and beer
Jan 08 16:49:51 <HoStyle> i really dunno what has of special this distro firmwar
Jan 08 16:50:21 <HoStyle> could somebody explauin to me?
Jan 08 16:50:27 <HoStyle> *explain
Jan 08 16:50:34 <ByronT> from what I gather, he wants to use unslung but is determined to format the disk by hand -which does not work
Jan 08 16:51:12 <HoStyle> but the r25 distro?
Jan 08 16:51:38 <HoStyle> is it special one? why doesnt the pwd match?
Jan 08 16:51:47 <caplink811_log> the main problem is, that he never read a word of docu, wiki, some links, and from the answer which the people given him :(
Jan 08 16:52:32 <HoStyle> :D ahah
Jan 08 16:52:50 <caplink811_log> aja, and he ate one of his usb cables yesterday
Jan 08 16:53:10 <HoStyle> :O
Jan 08 16:53:49 <HoStyle> maybe a different kind of entity, like a alien...
Jan 08 16:54:00 <caplink811_log> :)
Jan 08 16:55:23 <HoStyle> ive really hated a mouse too
Jan 08 16:55:48 <HoStyle> that ive shooted out of my window long time ago :)
Jan 08 16:56:03 <HoStyle> or my wireless shhtboard
Jan 08 16:56:27 <HoStyle> that was suffering of everykind of interferences
Jan 08 16:56:40 <HoStyle> ive destroyed it slowly
Jan 08 16:56:57 <HoStyle> for max its pain :)
Jan 08 16:57:20 <HoStyle> a kind of antistress thing...
Jan 08 17:00:26 <caplink811_log> HoStyle, http://www.jrbnet.de/texte/2007-01-07-nslu-general.log the time between 20:00 and 21:30
Jan 08 17:03:43 <HoStyle> duh, emrgency :) my little bind slug cannot resolve the dns
Jan 08 17:04:16 <HoStyle> i try to give him some salads ;)
Jan 08 17:11:28 <HoStyle> k, gimme the line plz
Jan 08 17:11:34 <HoStyle> kk
Jan 08 17:11:39 <HoStyle> already
Jan 08 17:56:44 <m1ch> hello all - since editing my etc/ passwd file my web interface gives an error when i click on users (Error: Fail to get number of users 
Jan 08 17:56:55 <m1ch> anyone got any idea what i can do to get it right again?
Jan 08 18:42:47 <HoStyle> i c a n help ... quit? duh
Jan 08 19:13:55 <_wolf_> Hi
Jan 08 19:14:09 <_wolf_> May I ask questions about OpenSlug here to?
Jan 08 19:54:02 <HoStyle> no #openslug plz
Jan 08 19:59:16 <_wolf_> ok. tnx
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