**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 20 02:59:57 2007 Jan 20 05:57:41 hi all!!! Jan 20 06:05:42 im getting b/w 5-6mb/sec on ftp with slug - formatted to ext3 - know any way to make xp work the same? Jan 20 06:07:30 getting around 3mb/sec on xp xfers Jan 20 09:56:15 is there a command on the slug like top or uptime Jan 20 10:02:31 DrJ: "ipkg install procps" will give you top Jan 20 10:02:42 ipkg install coreutils will give you uptime Jan 20 10:02:45 ty Jan 20 10:02:53 but I found it in busybox Jan 20 10:03:10 ok :) Jan 20 10:03:11 * DrJ will look at those two though Jan 20 10:03:25 see if they maybe have more missing commands I might want or need in the future Jan 20 10:03:47 yeah, the busybox binaries usualy doesn't have all the features the "real" binaries have Jan 20 10:03:52 another I would like to have on the slug that I don't have is nslookup Jan 20 10:04:21 hmm, is there a list anywhere of what procps has? Jan 20 10:05:39 ps, top, vmstat, w, kill, and skill. Jan 20 10:06:06 ps and kill are both available without it Jan 20 10:06:25 what about the other one, coreutils Jan 20 10:06:45 they really need to get all these commands on the firmware Jan 20 10:07:59 the firmware is as big as it can get already, there's no room for any more stuff Jan 20 10:08:44 check the files list to see what coreutils will give you: http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org/details.php?package=coreutils&official=&format= Jan 20 10:08:44 ? Jan 20 10:09:26 well, if they can't add more, then there should be like a patch download that after you install unslung or whatever you type something and it gives you all the rest Jan 20 10:10:04 and what would "all the rest" be? Different ppl need different stuff :) Jan 20 10:10:21 I'd say like everything that say fedora comes with Jan 20 10:10:26 command wise that is Jan 20 10:11:08 that would be one big download, and it would be way more than I need :) Jan 20 10:11:35 well, would be for me also Jan 20 10:11:51 but I'd like to have them around so if/when I need them they are there Jan 20 10:12:47 big downloads only create problems for dialup users, or very bad broadband connections Jan 20 10:13:03 If there's anything I need that I don't already have I just search for it (http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org/) and then install it :) Jan 20 10:13:04 * DrJ can dl about 1GB/hour Jan 20 10:13:18 * DrJ sees if he can find nslookup Jan 20 10:13:22 I think I've looked before Jan 20 10:13:47 nslookup is already in busybox, just so you know Jan 20 10:14:15 hmm Jan 20 10:14:41 I think I tried and it wasn't Jan 20 10:15:28 CUBS# busybox nslookup Jan 20 10:15:28 nslookup: applet not found Jan 20 10:15:28 CUBS# Jan 20 10:17:44 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/BusyBox <--isn't on the list Jan 20 10:18:24 yeah, you're right :) Jan 20 10:19:08 I thought they had the full BusyBox, but apparently they dont :) Jan 20 14:31:03 hello! im trying to get 2 usb disks working on my NSLU2 running debian .. i followed the initramfs guide on the wiki on how to change the ROOT= attribute to boot from a labeled disk instead of its device name.. but, it doesn't seem to work :/ Jan 20 14:31:21 is there any updated kernel which is available to download that fixes this problem? Jan 20 15:27:06 Blastur: There is but you may have to build it yourself. I don't know of anyone that it releasing their builds of OpenSlug (little endian) for people to play with. Jan 20 15:27:28 OpenSlug (Little Endian) is what you bootstrapped Debian on top of. Jan 20 15:30:02 oh, okay Jan 20 15:30:12 does the openslug thingie contain the gpl network ixp400_eth driver? Jan 20 15:31:23 Yes, the newest version of Openslug does. If you're decently Linux savvy, there's a wonderful Master Makefile that you can grab and run. It will do nearly all the work of building OpenSlug for you. Jan 20 15:31:44 That driver is -way- faster for little endian slug distributions. Jan 20 15:32:05 it is? cause i run debian on my nslu now, i think it also uses the gpl driver Jan 20 15:32:11 and i see no performance gains Jan 20 15:32:24 i only see transfer problems with the open source driver Jan 20 15:32:30 wish i knew how to go back Jan 20 15:32:57 what kind of problems? Jan 20 15:33:33 nfs failing on big transfers to the slug Jan 20 15:33:42 I've seen it mentioned here and there on the net Jan 20 15:34:03 really? hmm as in crc errors? or just being disconnected? Jan 20 15:34:15 gnome tells me transfer error Jan 20 15:34:28 i still have the old debian firmware backed up, the one that uses the original driver Jan 20 15:34:33 in /var/log/messages on the slug it says something like internal error -14 Jan 20 15:34:45 just try to copy say 1 Gb to the slug Jan 20 15:35:05 this happens in both directions? or just To the slug? Jan 20 15:35:47 only TO the slug Jan 20 15:36:06 only with large files Jan 20 15:36:29 straight from my /var/log/messages: nfsd: non-standard errno: -14 Jan 20 15:36:41 hmm, okay.. are you sure this isn't nfs related? Jan 20 15:37:11 pretty much: same thing is discussed here: http://www.archivesat.com/nslu2-developers/thread2132325.htm Jan 20 15:38:02 anyone know where i could find the proprietary driver and how i could use it in the latest kernel iso the gpl one? Jan 20 15:38:21 or where i can find the gpl driver sources? Jan 20 15:38:46 Blastur: What kernel version are you running? Jan 20 15:39:01 Linux buddha 2.6.18-3-ixp4xx #1 Tue Dec 5 16:52:07 UTC 2006 armv5tel GNU/Linux Jan 20 15:39:40 That may be the open source driver. I don't remember exactly when the switch occurred. Jan 20 15:39:50 yeah, i think it has it too Jan 20 15:39:58 i no longer see a ixp400_eth process in my system Jan 20 15:40:20 and the "load average" of my system is not constantly 1.0,.. which i was told is because of the proprietary driver Jan 20 15:41:17 joshin, what kind of performance gains can you expect with the gpl driver? and what system are you using? Jan 20 15:51:15 I run Gentoo on my slug (bootstrapped from Big Endian Openslug) Jan 20 15:52:11 Back when comparing the Intel driver between Big and Little Endian Openslug versions (same code just the endianness changed), I saw a 20% CPU load performance penalty for little endian vs big endian builds. Jan 20 15:52:29 I have not done a similar test on the open source driver. Jan 20 15:53:01 Other than network, all performance (CPU & RAM) was the same. Jan 20 17:02:24 joshin, okay.. so you use Big endian Openslug, with the GPL driver, bootstrapped gentoo? Jan 20 19:18:36 Blastur: Yes. Jan 20 19:27:57 joshin, and you experience none of these bugs fraco talked about? connections being terminated when transferring large files Jan 20 19:30:11 also, does anyone know if Debian-Installer replaces RedBoot with APEX during install? Jan 20 19:34:54 Blastur: With the most recent kernel I built, my networking issues seem to have gone away. I was having an issue with my devices connected via wifi talking to the slug properly. Jan 20 19:35:21 FYI, the machine that I'm talking to you on -is- my Gentoo slug running irssi. :) Jan 20 19:36:55 cool.. is it difficult to build such kernel? Jan 20 19:37:07 I am having an issue that I haven't bothered trying to figure out yet on my second slug (OpenSlug with a Gentoo chroot) that when syncing Portage the disk goes nutty. I think it is my issue and not an OpenSlug one. Jan 20 19:38:10 Blastur: I just use the OpenSlug kernel. To build, grab the Master Makefile and type "make debianslug" or "make openslug." If you run into issues, ask in #nslu2-linux. Jan 20 19:38:17 * joshin goes to make lunch Jan 20 19:38:55 excellent Jan 20 19:39:08 i guess i have to setup a cross compiler environment first though Jan 20 19:39:14 but first, it's time to get some food :) Jan 20 20:03:38 Blastur: The makefile does it all. It builds whatever is needed beyond you having some basic tools installed on your big linux system. OpenEmbedded rocks! Jan 20 20:27:06 what exactly is "OpenEmbedded" then? :) Jan 20 20:30:19 how can I view like current load averages and stuff on the nslu2? Jan 20 20:31:06 type "uptime" Jan 20 20:31:08 I believe busybox top and uptime give false readouts Jan 20 20:31:33 if it prints 1.0, and you use an old firmware (or unslung) thats normal Jan 20 20:31:48 that's what I get Jan 20 20:31:54 1.0, 1.0, 1.0 Jan 20 20:31:59 is there a way to get the true readout? Jan 20 20:32:53 i believe it has to do with the proprietary network driver Jan 20 20:34:02 so, can I get a true readout? Jan 20 20:34:33 Blastur: OpenEmbedded is a distribution building mechanism. www.openembedded.org Jan 20 20:34:40 i don't know, i think they are the true readouts Jan 20 20:35:16 you can replace your current firmware with one that does not use the proprietary network driver,.. that will give you more "normal" (closer to 0.0 under no load) average load values Jan 20 21:03:14 DrJ: 1.0 is the "true" readout - the load average, as it is defined, is 1.0 on an idle NSLU2 :) Jan 20 21:08:48 aw Jan 20 21:09:10 did they make it that way to confuse me Jan 20 21:11:32 :-) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by common stupidity" - Napoleon --- It's just a poorly-designed network driver; it's not really consumiing the processor, it just looks that way. Jan 20 21:12:12 Why Intel didn't ever fix the network driver is one of the mysteries we'll never know. Jan 20 21:12:59 If you need to know how the device is performing, I would recommend the "top" utility for a better idea of where the resources are being used. Jan 20 21:13:13 (and don't use the busybox version of top, it's rather sub-standard) Jan 20 21:13:23 where's the other? Jan 20 21:14:16 Don't remember for sure: proc-ps? something like that. Use the ipkg search mechanism on www.nslu2-linux.org to be sure. Jan 20 21:14:38 Are you using unslung or what firmware? Jan 20 21:14:56 unslung Jan 20 21:15:11 its not a big deal Jan 20 21:15:19 I just wanted a true idea of how it is performing Jan 20 21:15:50 I didn't think they were real Jan 20 21:15:55 because my slug is running fine Jan 20 21:16:05 Ok. make sure you install openssh and use that instead of telnet; it's easier. Otherwise when you issue commands you'll end up picking up the ones in /bin instead of /opt/bin -- and you'll always end up using the old busybox ones... Jan 20 21:16:05 responds quickky, no problem with any of the services running on it Jan 20 21:16:24 I haven't telnetted in since I installed it I think Jan 20 21:16:32 That's a good thing! Jan 20 21:19:27 one of the first things I installed, if not the first Jan 20 21:19:29 was ssh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 21 03:00:03 2007