**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 10 02:59:57 2007 Apr 10 16:21:33 I am thinking of getting a 1.8" usb powered external hd for my slug that runs 24/7. Is that gonna reduce the hd life dramatically? Apr 10 16:27:59 I guess it would depend upon the hard drive. Apr 10 16:27:59 Different hard drives have radically different lives. Apr 10 16:28:19 You're best to look at the "mtf" of the model you want to buy. Apr 10 16:28:22 unsloth: if you keep the drive cool, it will probably last longer if it stays running. Fewer spinup/spindown and load/unload cycles -- if you check the specs, you'll find that most drives limit those more than simple runtime Apr 10 16:28:25 (mtf = mean time to failure) Apr 10 16:29:57 I am check on Hitachi Travel Star C4K60. I had 20gb (C4k20) that I used occasionally but I fried it. Apr 10 16:30:50 I don't plan to do spin up/down. What is load/unload? Apr 10 16:31:31 I think he means it depends on the load you put on the drive, e.g. writing to it heavily 24/7 will put more stress than only writing to it occasionally. Apr 10 16:33:46 load/unload refers to moving the disk heads from the park position to the read/write position over the surface -- usually done during spinup and spindown Apr 10 16:34:15 i c. I don't think I'd abuse it. Just put my family photo so that my wife can organize them Apr 10 16:35:14 unlink_, you also might like to look at what the warranty is etc :-) Apr 10 16:35:15 I'm just saying that if you leave the drive spinning all the time, it will usually last longer than if you set it to spin-down and spin-up again. Even if the drive is idle, it's usually best to let it run. Apr 10 16:36:20 one year I think Apr 10 16:36:45 I can use AMEX to get an additional year Apr 10 16:37:21 but I hate when hdd fails because that means I have to recover data and maybe reinstall os Apr 10 16:37:37 but on the other hand, good time to upgrade OS :P Apr 10 19:00:27 Hello? Anyone around? Apr 10 19:01:52 Sorry. Forgot to change the nickname Apr 10 19:08:54 What's the problem? :-) Apr 10 19:12:20 Hi there. Cheers for getting back to me. I've just flashed my NSLU2 and I can't access it over the network. I was looking for a resource to tell me how to put the old firmware back so that I could start again. Found one at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/UpSlug2. Sound like a plan? Apr 10 19:15:25 Upslug is for if your on linux, but yeag, if you cant get it, you could see if you can get at it in redboot Apr 10 19:16:14 I can't access a new nslu2 either Apr 10 19:16:18 doesn't show up on network Apr 10 19:16:35 What did you both flash them with? Apr 10 19:16:44 Are you using the Debian image by any chance? Apr 10 19:16:45 haven't flashed Apr 10 19:16:53 can't find the network link to flash Apr 10 19:17:20 I could do that OK on 192.168.1.77. Apr 10 19:17:55 Were they set to a static IP before the flash? Apr 10 19:18:02 As it may have just gone AWOL on DHCP Apr 10 19:18:33 Mine was yeah. Between static IP and DHCP is one generally less problematic than the other? Apr 10 19:19:11 Static tends to be, as it should stay Apr 10 19:19:25 on DHCP, it can be put on different IP's making it difficult to trace Apr 10 19:20:41 That's what I thought. I know the Debian image needs to use propriety network drivers. Maybe I messed something up there. I go back to the drawing board and see how I get on. Thanks a lot for your help. Apr 10 19:21:25 well Apr 10 19:21:34 as a side point, are you using a linux desktop? Apr 10 19:22:27 It may be a problem with the /etc/network/interfaces Apr 10 19:22:28 I have a dual boot. I don't think I was when I flashed the device. Does that make a difference? Apr 10 19:22:42 no, but you may be able to use that to save it Apr 10 19:22:52 if you get the memory stick/hard drive on your linux box Apr 10 19:22:56 have a look at the /etc/network/interfaces Apr 10 19:23:03 make sure the IP is manually set Apr 10 19:23:50 It didn't write anything to the stick. I don't think so anyway. Didn't get as far as installing Debian. I tried to SSH in to do the install and the device wasn't on the network. Apr 10 19:24:05 Oooyh Apr 10 19:24:10 How long did you give it? Apr 10 19:24:11 Yeah Apr 10 19:24:30 How long did you give it to come up? Apr 10 19:24:31 I got as far as hearing the 3 beeps so I assume it booted OK. Apr 10 19:24:40 hmm Apr 10 19:24:52 did you try the default IP and whatever it was set to? Apr 10 19:25:30 My feeling is that something's wrong with the network driver. I was trying the default IP of 192.168.1.77 but sadly no joy. Apr 10 19:25:56 hmm Apr 10 19:26:03 im not sure if others have had problems Apr 10 19:26:04 Can't ping that either incidentally. Apr 10 19:26:20 You aren't going to harm it reflashing it, so you may aswell try that Apr 10 19:26:25 do it back to a linksys firmware to be safe Apr 10 19:26:43 Good stuff. Thanks a million for all your help. Apr 10 19:26:54 No probs Apr 10 19:27:03 there is a windows tool aswell as upslug Apr 10 19:27:04 .... Apr 10 19:27:05 lol Apr 10 19:28:27 DrJ:What did you flash? Apr 10 19:29:18 Lunar_Lamp: pong Apr 10 19:51:35 frosty: tried broadcast ping? Apr 10 19:53:15 ah he left Apr 10 19:53:49 yeah Apr 10 19:53:59 DrJ's still here... but he aint responded Apr 10 19:54:24 what about dj? Apr 10 19:54:52 He was having the same problem, or so he said Apr 10 19:55:23 unresponsive slug? Apr 10 19:55:46 yup Apr 10 19:56:12 haven't been paying much attention lately to channel :D been picking my guitar watching some telly at the same time Apr 10 19:56:26 heh Apr 10 22:51:27 frosty: tried broadcast ping? Apr 10 22:51:34 I've tried this and it doesn't seem to work for me. Apr 10 22:51:43 ping -b 192.168.0.255 Apr 10 22:51:51 I only get ping back from my router. Apr 10 22:56:34 but could it be under 192.168.1.x Apr 10 23:17:27 Hehe, it's not ;-) Apr 10 23:17:42 I also tried that though as my modem is at 1 Apr 10 23:18:25 I can ssh into my slug just fine, but it doesn't respond to pings to the broadcast address Apr 10 23:18:53 (it responds to pings itself) Apr 10 23:20:51 so what's the prob?-o Apr 10 23:27:21 Sorry, I mean, it responds to ping when i ping it's ip/name, but not when I ping the broadcast address. Apr 10 23:27:36 I thought if I pinged the broadcast address, all machines would respond to the ping? Apr 10 23:27:48 that can be blocked, of course Apr 10 23:28:07 Hmm, yeah, i guess my router must be blocking it. Apr 10 23:28:09 That would make sense. Apr 10 23:52:09 I've often wondered the same thing. Not that it's a "problem". The only thing that responds to a ping to the broadcast address here are my slugs running Linksys firmware or unslung. Apr 10 23:52:49 Oh? I think that might have been the same with me. Apr 10 23:53:09 However, I changed my router firmware at the same time as the unslung-->debianslug so couldn't be sure which caused the behaviour. Apr 10 23:54:32 My other slugs (slugosle and debianslug) and my desktops/laptops (linux and Xp) don't respond either. Nothtat it's a problem - but I am curious. :-) Apr 10 23:55:13 Yeah, would be nice to just open up a terminal on any machine on my network to find out what other machines are connected. Apr 11 00:07:09 yeah, unslung seems to respond **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 11 02:59:57 2007