**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 31 02:59:56 2007 May 31 06:10:30 hi all May 31 06:10:41 help May 31 06:11:45 Is there someone here ? May 31 06:34:07 hi May 31 10:37:10 Funny how much quicker a de-underclocked Debian/NSLU2 unit runs apt-get update upgrade May 31 11:27:14 :) May 31 12:36:12 i bust mine apt recently May 31 12:36:21 now whenever i update/get anything May 31 12:36:32 it succeeds, but always moans May 31 12:36:47 i presume some metadata for one of the packages is borked May 31 12:37:07 anyone ever had that/got good way of investigating it? May 31 12:45:25 oh, getting different error now May 31 12:45:27 W: GPG error: http://ftp.nl.debian.org sid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 May 31 13:05:14 does unslung run with APEX? May 31 15:18:52 http://wiki.buici.com/wiki/NSLU2_Memory_Expansion_--_Fat_Slug SO, no BootLoader replacement?? May 31 16:08:07 should i disconnect the usb disk before flashing the NSLU2 whit debian throw the web interface? May 31 16:45:56 yes or no question, should the usb disk be connected oor not when first flashing debian? doesent say in the install manual May 31 16:48:37 DigiI-: "disconnect any disks from the USB ports" May 31 16:49:34 ooh it does? :P May 31 16:50:08 it's mentioned in the upslug2 section May 31 16:50:35 u hafto upslug it before i install debian?? :S May 31 16:51:46 upslug2 is the approach i took when i flashed debian May 31 16:52:17 yea but i havent even flashed it yet May 31 16:52:20 doing it now May 31 16:55:09 hmm after about 3-4 min of flashing i got a msg "error: Bad file name or format." May 31 16:55:14 just try again? May 31 17:04:08 tryied again, still got bad file name or format, May 31 17:04:43 anyone know why? Can it be becouse i have uNSLUng 6,8 flashed on it before? May 31 17:05:05 "rule #6. Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot Upgrade Mode access." May 31 17:05:41 not that good at this :P May 31 17:05:54 can you confirm RedBoot Upgrade Mode access? May 31 17:06:09 how? May 31 17:10:48 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/TelnetIntoRedBoot May 31 17:13:14 redboot is that if u can telnet into it? May 31 17:19:10 redboot is the default bootloader, telnet into redboot makes sure you can flash (recover from bad flash) May 31 17:20:19 just haft figure out how to telnet to redboot May 31 19:08:36 i'm having troubles getting nano to work May 31 19:08:54 nano! May 31 19:09:07 in the instructions on the site, i don't understand the export command May 31 19:09:42 i can compile it, but i can't seem to run it May 31 19:11:09 also have tried rebooting, but to no avail May 31 19:31:49 caplink811 :) May 31 23:05:11 Hi there. Can anyone provide approximate performance / reliability for the NSLU2 using NTFS under Unslung 6.8? Will this be sufficient for running backups and streaming audio / video to a digital media player? May 31 23:09:18 not sure about unslung (i run debian on mine) but it streams stuff all round my house ok (video and audio) May 31 23:11:07 and over dsl to stream tunes to my work May 31 23:13:44 newbienslu2: The Linksys NTFS driver will crash your NSLU2 at unpredictable points. You may be able to transfer many GBytes of data between crashes, but someone has created a test case that can demonstrate the problem in just a few minutes. May 31 23:13:45 nice May 31 23:13:56 not so nice May 31 23:14:09 General advice is to use the native format for the device; much more stable. May 31 23:14:10 newbienslu2: Reliability using NTFS under Unslung is buggy. EXT3 works like a champ though. May 31 23:14:20 so what is the solution? using fat32? doesn't that limit you to 2 GB file sizes? May 31 23:14:57 * barnseenio uses ext3 with samba May 31 23:15:05 Native format is a specific partitioning scheme and Ext3 filesystems -- not subject to the 2GByte limit. May 31 23:15:07 is there an ext3 driver for windows xp so that the drive can be hooked up to a windows xp computer and read from / written to like an ntfs / fat 32 drive? May 31 23:15:10 Yes. May 31 23:15:31 Search the wiki or the mailing list for references. May 31 23:16:16 Performance numbers are also listed on the wiki. In a word: slow. but what do you expect from USB, and a computer under 100 USD? May 31 23:17:00 oh well May 31 23:17:06 He didn't like the answers? May 31 23:17:18 lol May 31 23:17:34 dunno, ive changed my pace of live to nslu2 pace. it works for me May 31 23:17:38 *life May 31 23:18:20 Hehe! I've found that the performance isn't a big problem either. Start a big copy before lunchtime, or do a backup overnight. May 31 23:18:29 * barnseenio too May 31 23:18:41 go get a drink, hell - you can even chat to the wife May 31 23:19:06 "nslu2 saved my marriage" May 31 23:19:11 :-D May 31 23:26:01 barnseenio: "nslu2 pace" --> a Slug's pace!! Slow indeed! :) May 31 23:26:42 Sssh, you'll upset my slug Jun 01 01:40:57 The Slug performs decently. The only problem I have is that it has a tendency to lock up when I am messing with really large files. Jun 01 01:41:49 I can reliably lock it up by doing a 'tar bxf gcc-4.1.1.tar.bz2' Jun 01 01:42:39 Hmm, gcc isn't that large is it? Jun 01 01:48:55 joshin: have you done any work to figure out what's "locking up"? Jun 01 01:49:56 Nope. Been too busy to dig into it. (Which is really bad since I attached a MAX232 for a console serial port on it.) Jun 01 01:50:11 After I do, I'll post in #nslu2-linux... Not here. :) Jun 01 01:50:43 Ok. You're using bzip2 to uncompress whilst performing the tar extraction. I'm thinking that it didn't so much lock up as just start swapping like crazy. Jun 01 01:51:15 Or perhaps it did what it could with the limited RAM, and just ended up taking longer than you had patience. bzip2 is extremely CPU intensive. Jun 01 01:51:46 mwester: Nope, it seems to kill the sshd so that I'd get a connection refused error. I have 1GB swap on the box. Jun 01 01:52:11 Depending on what OS you have, it might not actually swap a lot before it kills processes. Jun 01 01:52:24 My guess is that is has something to do with /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory Jun 01 01:52:24 There's been discussions on this on the ML from time to time. Jun 01 01:52:47 It will last longer if I set the ratio higher. Jun 01 01:53:02 In any case, it's not so much a hardware fault or a software bug as it is just asking too much of such a small machine, most likely. Jun 01 01:53:11 joshin, have you run the command from within screen so you can try to ssh in again? Or does the whole system freeze when it kills your ssh session? Jun 01 01:53:32 I've also discovered that if I untar on the slug from a directory nfs mounted from my big server that it works fine. Jun 01 01:54:03 Lunar_Lamp: Yup. I still get disconnected from the box and can not reattach. Jun 01 01:54:25 mwester: I think you're right though the Slug is just as fast as a rocking workstation from 1995. :) Jun 01 01:54:58 '95 was a good year. Jun 01 01:55:18 You young'uns. Jun 01 01:55:22 Was the year before I started at Hotmail. :) Jun 01 02:01:26 Hehe, I think I got my dad got his first PC in 1996 :-p **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 01 02:59:58 2007