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Jul 19 03:32:34 <encode> haha. that guy never hangs around long enough for a response
Jul 19 03:43:54 <mwester> Good Grief!  He waited three whole minutes for an answer!
Jul 19 03:44:32 <mwester> And the time before that, he waited a whopping FOUR minutes before he disconnected.  Impatient sort, I guess.
Jul 19 03:50:40 <mwester> Anyway, if he returns, someone might suggest he try Debian.
Jul 19 04:49:03 <toofie> hello
Jul 19 04:49:28 <toofie> I'm running openslug
Jul 19 04:49:58 <toofie> is there a package for encryption?
Jul 19 06:51:11 <Digii> after installing apache and changed httpd.conf so the server is listen to 80 how do u start apache?
Jul 19 06:51:41 <Digii> doesent appere to be started
Jul 19 06:58:25 <Digii> sorry
Jul 19 06:58:26 <Digii> got it
Jul 19 07:53:59 <Digii> is there any thing u hafto to to get php to work on apache?
Jul 19 07:59:23 <encode> you need to install php to start with
Jul 19 08:01:34 <Digii> yea well, thats not the problem
Jul 19 08:01:38 <Digii> i have installed it
Jul 19 08:04:58 <Digii> and installed php-apache to, but still doesnt work
Jul 19 08:05:03 <Digii> anything i hafto enable in apache?
Jul 19 08:20:41 <Digii> plz help? its strange that when i have php syntax in a php document and serching it on the site, i cant se whats suppose to be printed, but i dont get any wrong msg either :S
Jul 19 08:27:07 <encode> i suggest you use google to search for how to set up php and apache
Jul 19 08:32:00 <Digii> yea, well have just installed it on win before and i sure its not the same coz there ur suppose so copy php.ini to win doc and change the extension_dir do the apache extesions
Jul 19 08:39:56 <toofie> hello
Jul 19 08:40:23 <Digii> h
Jul 19 08:40:24 <Digii> i
Jul 19 08:41:02 <toofie> hmmmjust installed my NSLU2 using debianslug
Jul 19 08:41:28 <toofie> and it works so far
Jul 19 08:42:17 <toofie> now I#m looking for a programm to do some encryption/decryption
Jul 19 08:42:48 <toofie> file basis would be ok
Jul 19 08:44:22 <toofie> anyone an idea what I could use?
Jul 19 08:44:36 <encode> yes
Jul 19 08:44:38 <encode> google
Jul 19 08:44:45 <encode> search for something like linux file encryption
Jul 19 08:45:05 <encode> PGP or truecrypt would be a start
Jul 19 08:45:10 <toofie> hehe but there are no Openslug packages
Jul 19 08:45:17 <toofie> or debianslug
Jul 19 08:45:21 <encode> rubbish
Jul 19 08:45:38 <encode> if you have debian on your nslu2, you have all the packages you need
Jul 19 08:45:38 <toofie> encryption for i386 linux systems won't help
Jul 19 08:45:55 <toofie> hmmm i tried an ipkg search
Jul 19 08:46:34 <toofie> which package do you think can so this?
Jul 19 08:46:46 <toofie> there is e.g. no cryptsetup
Jul 19 08:46:51 <toofie> no loopaes
Jul 19 08:51:39 <ch4os_> u can use dmcrypt
Jul 19 08:54:27 <toofie> hmmm also couldn't find dmcrypt with ipkg  or is there any other package manager?
Jul 19 08:55:52 <toofie> I used the 3.10 debianslug firmware
Jul 19 08:56:27 <ch4os_> i don't know if it's another package manager, i'm using debian on my slug
Jul 19 08:56:50 <ch4os_> imo crypted partitions will lower overal slug performance...
Jul 19 08:57:13 <ch4os_> it's only 266mhz processor
Jul 19 08:57:26 <toofie> I'm using my nslu2 as a password server so no problem with the performance
Jul 19 08:57:35 <ch4os_> but whole fs..
Jul 19 08:57:52 <toofie> Its all running from ram
Jul 19 08:57:55 <ch4os_> u should crypt data on pc, and then send crypted to slug
Jul 19 08:58:29 <toofie> hmm no I will controll it by pda
Jul 19 08:59:02 <toofie> so I'll transfer the master-password via pda and then the nslu2 will be the password server
Jul 19 08:59:19 <toofie> as long as it's running
Jul 19 09:01:09 <toofie> I've got my pda<-> nslu2 communication running but now I'm working on the crypted master pwd list
Jul 19 09:01:52 <ch4os_> dmcrypt can do that
Jul 19 09:02:09 <toofie> yes but for debianslug there is no dmcrypt
Jul 19 09:02:33 <toofie> at least I can't find an ipkg package for it
Jul 19 09:03:45 <toofie> but I've seen there is reference source of aes available - so if there's nothing better I'll take this
Jul 19 09:05:55 <ch4os_> dm-crypt is part of kernel, u need manage tools, for example cryptsetup or dmsetup
Jul 19 09:06:38 <toofie> yes i know but none of them are available in debianslug
Jul 19 09:06:59 <ch4os_> u can compile it
Jul 19 09:08:07 <toofie> yes but doing this I can also just use the reference aes source instead 
Jul 19 09:08:36 <toofie> *g* I doubt all needed header files and libs are on the nslu2 ;-)
Jul 19 09:24:28 <Digii> really cant get php to work :/
Jul 19 09:24:44 <Digii> someone have some spare time to helP?
Jul 19 09:28:25 <ch4os_> php is as module or cgi ?
Jul 19 09:29:41 <Digii> whats the diffrens? just did the normal install of ipkg install php and then php-apache and apache :S
Jul 19 09:30:12 <ch4os_> it's php4 ? 5 ?
Jul 19 09:30:48 <Digii> 5
Jul 19 09:31:11 <ch4os_> ok do: ls /usr/lib/apache2/modules
Jul 19 09:31:53 <Digii> no such file :S
Jul 19 09:32:03 <ch4os_> huh ?
Jul 19 09:32:34 <Digii> # ls /usr/lib/apache2/modules
Jul 19 09:32:34 <Digii> ls: cannot access /usr/lib/apache2/modules: No such file or directory
Jul 19 09:32:50 <ch4os_> try /ust/lib/apache/modules
Jul 19 09:35:07 <Digii> dont have any apache or apache2 in lib
Jul 19 09:36:03 <ch4os_> wait..
Jul 19 09:36:23 <toofie> hmmm what does "Warning: /tmp/ccBvvjHB.o does not support interworking, whereas abc.out does"  mean?
Jul 19 09:36:45 <Digii> ,
Jul 19 09:36:45 <Digii> SOP,74
Jul 19 09:36:45 <Digii> 17,.OQOROQ9OP
Jul 19 09:36:51 <Digii> .opps
Jul 19 09:39:31 <ch4os_> Digii one moment, i've to install ipkg-tools on my pc
Jul 19 09:40:17 <Digii> ok sure =)
Jul 19 09:40:23 <Digii> im not going anywhere
Jul 19 09:44:36 <ch4os_> oh ;) ok i get it know ;)
Jul 19 09:44:40 <ch4os_> ls /opt/libexec
Jul 19 09:46:04 <Digii> yea?
Jul 19 09:46:15 <ch4os_> and there is php?
Jul 19 09:46:33 <Digii> libphp5.so
Jul 19 09:47:40 <ch4os_> ok great;) now edit /opt/etc/apache2/httpd.conf
Jul 19 09:47:56 <ch4os_> find section with LoadModule
Jul 19 09:48:17 <ch4os_> and add LoadModule php5_module /opt/libexec/libphp5.so
Jul 19 09:48:48 <ch4os_> find DirectoryIndex and add index.php, it should look like this one
Jul 19 09:48:48 <ch4os_> DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm index.php
Jul 19 09:49:00 <Digii> thats changed
Jul 19 09:49:04 <ch4os_> find section with AddType
Jul 19 09:49:10 <ch4os_> and add 
Jul 19 09:49:11 <ch4os_> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
Jul 19 09:49:16 <ch4os_> and
Jul 19 09:49:16 <ch4os_> AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
Jul 19 09:49:49 <ch4os_> and reload apache service
Jul 19 09:49:59 <Digii> can i place addtype anywhere?
Jul 19 09:50:36 <ch4os_> yes, but would be nice, if u add it somewhere near another addtype ;)
Jul 19 09:51:04 <Digii> hehe ya
Jul 19 09:53:11 <Digii>  /opt/etc/init.d/S80apache
Jul 19 09:53:12 <Digii> [Thu Jul 19 11:52:21 2007] [warn] module php5_module is already loaded, skipping
Jul 19 09:53:23 <ch4os_> hmm 
Jul 19 09:53:25 <Digii> strange coz php doesent work?
Jul 19 09:54:10 <ch4os_> have u tried index.php with <? phpinfo(); ?> ?
Jul 19 09:54:48 <Digii> yes have a test.php to
Jul 19 09:54:53 <Digii> whit phpinfo
Jul 19 09:55:33 <ch4os_> hmm maybe there is something in logs, do u have any files in /opt/var/apache2/log ?
Jul 19 09:57:08 <Digii> strange again suddenly php works :S
Jul 19 09:57:14 <Digii> but just on some pages
Jul 19 09:57:21 <ch4os_> huh ?
Jul 19 09:59:19 <Digii> hehe yea strange
Jul 19 10:00:28 <ch4os_> but phptest doesnt work ?
Jul 19 10:00:47 <Digii> haha yea
Jul 19 10:00:56 <Digii> php seems to come and go :D
Jul 19 10:01:37 <Digii> when i update a page and then reloade it again :P the <? echo 'hi'; ?> works randomly :P
Jul 19 10:01:46 <ch4os_> maybe it depends on .php location.. have u tried, different folders for php scripts ? in htdocs everything should work
Jul 19 10:03:38 <ch4os_> kernel can kill process with too high mem usage.., when machine is overloaded
Jul 19 10:04:07 <Digii> ok maybe, apache is sad to be high mem use
Jul 19 10:04:20 <ch4os_> how big is your swap partition ?
Jul 19 10:04:52 <Digii> 56220 and not even half is used
Jul 19 10:05:04 <ch4os_> hm :/
Jul 19 10:06:06 <Digii> hehe it will be a fun page ;) if ur nice it will work :D
Jul 19 10:06:58 <encode> why use apache on your nslu2 anyway? lighttpd will do the same job, but much better
Jul 19 10:07:14 <encode> plus there's a great guide on their page for setting it up to work with php
Jul 19 10:09:31 <Digii> used appweb before but it didnt work well, turnd itself off and was buging whit directors
Jul 19 10:10:32 <toofie> cool   finally got bcrypt compiled on the nslu2
Jul 19 10:11:03 <toofie> seems DebianSlug is missing quite some "normal" libs like zlib
Jul 19 10:11:41 <encode> i dont understand why you dont just install normal debian eth
Jul 19 10:11:43 <encode> etch*
Jul 19 10:11:54 <encode> its got nearly all the packages of a normal debian install
Jul 19 10:12:06 <toofie> hmmm I wanted it as small as possible
Jul 19 10:12:15 <encode> doesnt have to be big at all
Jul 19 10:12:21 <toofie> e.g. running with no usb or harddisk attached
Jul 19 10:12:36 <encode> umm, then whats the point?
Jul 19 10:12:52 <toofie> I use it as a password server not as a nas
Jul 19 10:12:55 <encode> i have mine running on a 4GB flash drive, but it could easily be running on a 500MB flash drive
Jul 19 10:13:16 <toofie> nsu2 is a cheap embedded device with ethernet ;-)
Jul 19 10:13:49 <encode> yes... your point?
Jul 19 10:14:30 <toofie> can etch run from internal flash mem only?
Jul 19 10:14:48 <encode> nope
Jul 19 10:14:55 <encode> at least, i dont think so
Jul 19 10:15:06 <toofie> Debianslug can so it was my choice
Jul 19 10:15:09 <encode> ok
Jul 19 10:15:22 <encode> then that would explain why you don
Jul 19 10:15:28 <encode> t have all these packages you want
Jul 19 10:15:34 <toofie> yes
Jul 19 10:16:12 <toofie> but it's making progress ;-)  I don't have aes but blowfish is ok for me too
Jul 19 10:17:46 <toofie> I think the nslu2 is by far the best affordable embedded Linux sys out there at the moment
Jul 19 10:23:57 <encode> true
Jul 19 10:24:17 <encode> but im quite fond of my thecus n2100 with a 600MHz processor and 512MB RAM
Jul 19 10:24:25 <encode> it has a bit more ... power
Jul 19 10:24:41 <encode> still arm cpu
Jul 19 10:24:52 <toofie> yes but for most situations the nslu2 will do for me
Jul 19 10:25:08 <encode> well, yeah - if you're just using it as a password server, its great
Jul 19 10:25:39 <toofie> my next biggest server is a P2-333Mhz also using quite low power (cpu 8 watt max)
Jul 19 10:26:16 <encode> the n2100 consumes around 33 watts, including 2 sata hdd
Jul 19 10:26:33 <encode> so its pretty skimpy on the power
Jul 19 10:26:45 <toofie> ah ok mine with 2 pata needs ~ 38 watts
Jul 19 10:26:57 <toofie> so its comparable ;-)
Jul 19 10:27:38 <encode> gotta love SoC's that need neither heatsink nor active cooling
Jul 19 10:27:43 <encode> if only i could say the same for the 2 hdd
Jul 19 10:28:02 <toofie> oh ok yes that's really nice fanless cooling
Jul 19 10:28:22 <encode> nah, it has a fan in it
Jul 19 10:28:27 <encode> to keep the hdd cool
Jul 19 10:28:44 <encode> but the cpu is bare - no heatsink or anything
Jul 19 10:28:48 <toofie> but I've got a "server" room at home so I don't really care about loudness
Jul 19 10:28:57 <encode> nice
Jul 19 10:29:21 <toofie> I've got some bigger storage systems that make some noise ;-)
Jul 19 10:30:20 <toofie> but with active cooling they are only 5 degrees over room temp
Jul 19 10:31:23 <toofie> though haven't switched to sata yet
Jul 19 10:31:55 <encode> yeah most of my storage is pata still
Jul 19 10:32:06 <toofie> as last time I looked at sata there were still some nice things missing like harddisk temp
Jul 19 10:33:12 <toofie> but with sata drives getting bigger and cheaper I will change 
Jul 19 10:33:59 <toofie> and hope the sata drivers will support temp reading
Jul 19 10:34:03 <encode> harddisk temp works fine for me
Jul 19 10:34:35 <toofie> oh cool - has been some time when I looked at sata drivers ( ~ 2 years ago)
Jul 19 10:34:43 <encode> as do all the other usual SMART monitoring aspects
Jul 19 10:35:52 <toofie> I'm thinking about hardware raid anyway so smart will be done by the controller I hope
Jul 19 10:36:11 <toofie> till now I'm using software-raid-6
Jul 19 10:37:04 <toofie> but as the controllers are getting more and more affordable ;-) I'll try one of them
Jul 19 10:37:38 <toofie> hehe also hope this will improve speed
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