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Aug 04 03:32:22 <Gargle> Hi
Aug 04 08:21:06 <timbs> Acy-: can you do a ipkg list_installed for me?
Aug 04 08:56:10 <digii> is it posible so extend the swapfile using a flash mem stick or anything?
Aug 04 09:30:44 <DrJ> has anyone got that qume (i386 emulator) working?
Aug 04 09:30:49 <DrJ> like actually got a program to run?
Aug 04 09:31:30 <ch4os_> qume ? 
Aug 04 09:31:39 <ch4os_> do you mean qemu ?:P
Aug 04 09:32:45 <ch4os_> digii i think u can use mutlipe swap
Aug 04 09:33:10 <ch4os_> mkswap /dev/sdxy, swapon /dev/sdxy, and edit /etc/fstab
Aug 04 09:36:53 <DrJ> whatever ch4os_, you knew what I meant
Aug 04 09:37:04 <DrJ> as I'm sure everyone else did who has a clue what it is
Aug 04 09:39:52 <ch4os_> if u are talking about qemu, yes it works :) i'm using enhanced version qemu (with hardware vt support - kvm)
Aug 04 09:40:10 <DrJ> all it does for me is -- nothing
Aug 04 09:40:51 <DrJ> just dies
Aug 04 09:40:54 <DrJ> no output no nothing
Aug 04 09:41:05 <DrJ> grepping ps x for it returns nothing
Aug 04 09:41:51 <ch4os_> what params u are using to run qemu ?
Aug 04 09:41:59 <DrJ> just the binary
Aug 04 09:42:26 <ch4os_> but u have to specify harddrive image... and some other stuff
Aug 04 09:42:36 <DrJ> really
Aug 04 09:42:47 <DrJ> wiki says to just do qemu-i386 <binary>
Aug 04 09:44:03 <ch4os_> for example to run my test arch install: qemu -hda /root/arch.img -cdrom /media/nfs-sda3/iso/Archlinux-i686-2007.05-Duke.current.iso -m 128 -boot d
Aug 04 09:44:34 <DrJ> are you unslung?
Aug 04 09:45:13 <DrJ> Now copy a binary from your gnu/linux i386-based desktop onto your slug, and run:
Aug 04 09:45:14 <DrJ> qemu-i386 <name of your binary here>
Aug 04 09:45:14 <DrJ> Start with some binary that with minimal dependencies, such as /usr/bin/cal. 
Aug 04 09:45:20 <ch4os_> hm
Aug 04 09:45:58 <DrJ> eh, its no big deal
Aug 04 09:46:22 <DrJ> just wanted to see if I could run programs on it that I wrote with a languages a long time ago
Aug 04 09:46:23 <ch4os_> i've thought that u are talking about additional emulation on desktop :)
Aug 04 09:46:38 <DrJ> only programming language I know that I can get to run on the slug is php :)
Aug 04 09:47:03 <DrJ> which actually does me fine
Aug 04 09:47:57 <DrJ> but I wrote a bot a long long time ago in basic that I have an linux binary for
Aug 04 09:48:03 <DrJ> have aways wanted to run it on slug
Aug 04 09:48:50 <DrJ> it relays game data (and formats it) from jetrix servers to IRC server
Aug 04 09:57:21 <ch4os_> digii u can also set priority for each swap
Aug 04 10:01:31 <digii> hmm
Aug 04 10:02:01 <digii> so u fan make a flash hdd into a second swap?
Aug 04 10:03:09 <ch4os_> yes
Aug 04 10:03:25 <digii> multile swap, does it work even if i have unslung and not debian or something?
Aug 04 10:03:48 <ch4os_> unslug has linux kernel, so it should work
Aug 04 10:04:24 <digii> ok =)
Aug 04 10:04:48 <Mutsgah> hmm I can't find an answer to the question anywere.. can you deunsling and change the harddrive and then unsling again.. I don't want to keep any data
Aug 04 10:05:32 <ch4os_> u can flash to orginal linksys firmware.. 
Aug 04 10:05:41 <ch4os_> there is howto somewhere:P
Aug 04 10:06:39 <Mutsgah> oki
Aug 04 10:30:27 <irc> .
Aug 04 10:59:47 <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
Aug 04 14:20:51 <DrJ> Okay
Aug 04 14:21:02 <DrJ> I have a slug that gives a 404 not found error for any config page
Aug 04 14:21:11 <DrJ> before and after upgrading to unslung
Aug 04 14:21:21 <DrJ> I can not figure this problem out
Aug 04 14:21:29 <DrJ> do I need to get into redboot to fix this?
Aug 04 14:44:35 <DrJ> nvm, got it working
Aug 04 14:44:42 <DrJ> so what is it with port 6789 btw
Aug 04 16:12:52 <klein> Anyone experiences an initial slow connection when SSHing to the NSLU2 (Debian Etch)?
Aug 04 16:13:41 <klein> like 4 to 5 seconds before it prompts for the login/pass?
Aug 04 16:14:12 <klein> and like 3 to 5 seconds before you get the prompt after entering the password?
Aug 04 16:26:31 <jelle> klein: what if you ssh directly to ip address, instead of name?
Aug 04 17:03:05 <klein> I am SSHing using the IP address
Aug 04 17:03:08 <klein> using putty
Aug 04 17:07:47 * DrJ_ is still interested
Aug 04 17:08:01 <DrJ_> why does the nslu2 has a http server on 6789
Aug 04 17:36:25 <mwester> what firmware DrJ_ ?
Aug 04 17:36:50 <klein> is it fast for you guys?
Aug 04 17:38:32 <DrJ_> unslung
Aug 04 17:38:34 <DrJ_> mwester
Aug 04 17:38:41 <DrJ_> The normal linksys firmware has it also
Aug 04 17:39:04 <DrJ_> I just noticed it today because I did a port scan
Aug 04 17:39:13 <DrJ_> and saw 6789 open
Aug 04 17:39:29 <DrJ_> its open on my unslung
Aug 04 17:39:35 <DrJ_> and a brand new nslu2 I opened today
Aug 04 17:39:40 <DrJ_> with the original firmware
Aug 04 17:40:08 <unlink> is there an nslu2-like box that has 2 interfaces?
Aug 04 17:45:18 <Gargle> Hi
Aug 04 17:55:07 <Gargle> hi
Aug 04 17:57:12 <kapookee> Gargle: 'lo
Aug 04 17:59:49 <Gargle> I'm thinking about getting me a slug and was wondering, is it possible that i could run slackware on it? 
Aug 04 18:00:19 <ch4os_> hm
Aug 04 18:00:27 <ch4os_> there is no slack-arm project;)
Aug 04 18:00:43 <Gargle> Or I can only run the default firmware?
Aug 04 18:00:59 <ch4os_> so u will have to compile everythink :)
Aug 04 18:01:30 <ch4os_> thing*
Aug 04 18:01:43 <kapookee> Debian supports the slug, and there's gentoo.
Aug 04 18:01:47 <ch4os_> why u want to put slack on slug ?
Aug 04 18:01:57 <Gargle> I mean if I install slackware onto a external HD, and plug it up, it wouldn't boot from it?
Aug 04 18:02:40 <Gargle> Just slackware been my beloved distro for years :)
Aug 04 18:03:58 <franky> I'm creating my own rootfs with gentoo right now... but i have still some questions: Do i have to compile my own kernel or could i tell openslug, that it should just start my own init on the external hdd? And what are my options, if init fails? :}
Aug 04 18:05:51 <kapookee> Gargle: well, there's an unofficial port of Slack to run on ARM, as far as the slug goes, you'd be the pioneer if you wanted to try such a big task.  :-)
Aug 04 18:06:25 <Gargle> kapooke: where can I get the info? web site?
Aug 04 18:08:21 <kapookee> Gargle: http://www.armedslack.org
Aug 04 18:09:38 <Gargle> Okey and will the slug have enough power to support a game,music,and file server?
Aug 04 18:10:27 <klein> game server.... no
Aug 04 18:11:05 <|Lunar_Lamp|> Unless the game is tetris or something.
Aug 04 18:11:05 <Gargle> I just want to run a assaultcube server... it's a lean game
Aug 04 18:11:08 <kapookee> klein's right.  No game server.  But serves music and files okay.
Aug 04 18:11:20 <Gargle> oh okey
Aug 04 18:11:41 <Gargle> that sucks then :)
Aug 04 18:11:58 <|Lunar_Lamp|> Hmm, I've just googled assaultcube, and I wouldn't *instantly* dismiss, but I'd be shocked if it did. I suspect there is no ARM version anyway.
Aug 04 18:12:39 <Gargle> Just assaultcube can be even played on 56k dialup it's so lite :)
Aug 04 18:12:41 <klein> I'm using mine as a file server, PVR (record and stream TV shows), and torrent client
Aug 04 18:13:18 <|Lunar_Lamp|> Gargle, yeah, there would be one major problem though.  I'm pretty sure AssaultCube is made for x86 only - whereas the slug has an ARM processor.
Aug 04 18:13:59 <Gargle> Got it. Thanks for help.
Aug 04 18:14:46 <klein> Anyone has Debian Etch installed on the NSLU2? How many seconds does it take before you're prompted to login after you SSH?
Aug 04 18:15:08 <ch4os_> klein wait ;)
Aug 04 18:15:26 <klein> it takes 4 to 5 seconds
Aug 04 18:15:27 <ch4os_> 2,3s :)
Aug 04 18:15:32 <klein> hmmm.. that's fast
Aug 04 18:15:38 <Gargle> Okey I think I will be able to get my hands on a old 600mhz/60mb computer. Do you think I could do the same things as a slug could? Software wise.
Aug 04 18:15:54 <|Lunar_Lamp|> Just checked out the min specs Gargle - and no, the slug is def not fast enough, even if you were able to compile it for ARM.
Aug 04 18:16:17 <|Lunar_Lamp|> Gargle, yes.  It could do more.  You'd just stall a standard linux server on it - e.g. debian or ubuntu.
Aug 04 18:17:54 <Gargle> Just if I could get the computer, I would like to do same thing you guys do with the slugs. Just if I could a older pc for free, why waste for a slug right?
Aug 04 18:18:19 <klein> slug uses about 11watts 
Aug 04 18:18:25 <klein> or something along those lines
Aug 04 18:18:31 <kapookee> Gargle: the slug has no hardware floating point unit.
Aug 04 18:18:59 <kapookee> yea, my slug and attached drive uses 11 watts.
Aug 04 18:19:23 <klein> actually there is a cool alternative to the NSLU2
Aug 04 18:19:28 <klein> that's more powerful
Aug 04 18:19:36 <klein> but it hard to get and more expensive
Aug 04 18:20:16 <klein> http://www.norhtec.com/products/mcjr/index.html
Aug 04 18:20:24 <Gargle> I know this is off topic, but if I run the old puter in garage is that fine? Just it gets hot in there, but I was going to aim some fans at it. 
Aug 04 18:20:36 <klein> the thing is.. it's hard to get.. it's not readily available in North America
Aug 04 18:20:46 <klein> that's why I didn't get it
Aug 04 18:20:54 <kapookee> I have to ask....  Why the garage!?
Aug 04 18:21:20 <klein> Do you guys leave your NSLU2 turned on all the time?
Aug 04 18:21:26 <klein> I'm afraid to leave it on...
Aug 04 18:21:43 <unlink> why?
Aug 04 18:21:49 <Gargle> Because I hate the noise! I would connect it to my router via ethernet cable.
Aug 04 18:21:53 <klein> actually, i'm afraid to leave my external hard-drive on all the time
Aug 04 18:21:56 <unlink> oh
Aug 04 18:21:57 <klein> it's very loud
Aug 04 18:21:57 <kapookee> 3 slugs on 24/7.
Aug 04 18:22:02 <unlink> mine doesn't have a hard drive
Aug 04 18:22:05 <klein> ahh
Aug 04 18:22:35 <unlink> i hate hard drive :(
Aug 04 18:22:38 <unlink> drives
Aug 04 18:22:59 <klein> I have to have one... how am I going to record cable tv shows without one?
Aug 04 18:22:59 <unlink> are there nslu2-like boxes with 2 interfaces?
Aug 04 18:23:06 <unlink> as in, network-interfaces
Aug 04 18:23:16 <unlink> klein: youtube?
Aug 04 18:23:25 <klein> NSLU2+PVRUSB2+HARD-DRIVE
Aug 04 18:23:28 <klein> hehe
Aug 04 18:23:50 <klein> what do you mean with two interfaces?
Aug 04 18:23:57 <klein> two ethernet ports?
Aug 04 18:23:58 <unlink> two network interfaces...
Aug 04 18:23:59 <unlink> yes
Aug 04 18:24:06 <klein> do you have a router?
Aug 04 18:24:14 <unlink> nope
Aug 04 18:24:18 <kapookee> Gargle: you have noisy drives.  I have 5 on all the time and can't tell they're on. :)
Aug 04 18:24:32 <unlink> i have a switch
Aug 04 18:24:55 <unlink> i want something small, cheap and that runs linux
Aug 04 18:25:00 <unlink> and low-poser
Aug 04 18:25:04 <unlink> *power
Aug 04 18:25:14 <klein> can't have them all... can't have them all...
Aug 04 18:25:16 <unlink> the nslu2 is perfect, except it's only got 1 interface
Aug 04 18:25:26 <klein> get another one
Aug 04 18:25:29 <klein> get two
Aug 04 18:25:33 <klein> actually
Aug 04 18:25:34 <klein> sorry
Aug 04 18:25:42 <klein> get an NSLU2 and get a HUB
Aug 04 18:25:42 <unlink> ;-)
Aug 04 18:25:48 <klein> a HUB costs $20
Aug 04 18:25:53 <klein> there's your solution
Aug 04 18:25:58 <unlink> i don't want to route my network over USB :\
Aug 04 18:26:16 <klein> no no.. I meant get one NSLU2 and one Network HUB
Aug 04 18:26:25 <unlink> i have a gigabit switch
Aug 04 18:26:27 <klein> or network router depending on what you're trying to do
Aug 04 18:26:34 <klein> a switch is a hub
Aug 04 18:26:39 <unlink> no it's not
Aug 04 18:26:44 <klein> no?
Aug 04 18:26:51 <kapookee> a switch is a smart hub.
Aug 04 18:27:09 <klein> oh ok
Aug 04 18:27:19 <kapookee> remembers pathways - quicker
Aug 04 18:27:30 <unlink> switches separate collision domains
Aug 04 18:27:34 <klein> but just get an NSLU2 + (switch+hub+router... depending on what you want to do)
Aug 04 18:28:16 <unlink> hubs do not
Aug 04 18:28:36 <unlink> yes, i want a router. that's the end goal
Aug 04 18:28:43 <klein> buy one
Aug 04 18:28:59 <klein> and flash it with one of those third-party firmwares
Aug 04 18:29:00 <kapookee> turn your slug into one.  :)
Aug 04 18:29:16 <klein> want to connect it to a hard-drive, get an NSLU2.. interconnect them
Aug 04 18:29:20 <klein> endless possibilities
Aug 04 18:29:21 <unlink> WRT54G* are crap
Aug 04 18:29:31 <unlink> but nothing else runs linux
Aug 04 18:29:35 <klein> not with third-party software
Aug 04 18:29:40 <unlink> yeah they are
Aug 04 18:29:55 <unlink> i have plenty of experience with them...they just die
Aug 04 18:29:56 <klein> my WRT54GS used to freeze whenever I ran torrent clients
Aug 04 18:30:10 <unlink> WRT54GS and WRT54GL
Aug 04 18:30:19 <klein> but when I installed flashed it witha third-party firmware.. it stopped freezing
Aug 04 18:30:26 <klein> it's been great ever since
Aug 04 18:30:55 <kapookee> OpenWRT?  
Aug 04 18:31:12 <klein> no
Aug 04 18:31:14 <klein> let me check
Aug 04 18:31:41 <klein> Firmware Version: v4.71.1, Hyperwrt 2.1b1 + Thibor15c
Aug 04 18:33:46 <unlink> i used white russian
Aug 04 18:33:51 <unlink> and tomato
Aug 04 18:33:54 <unlink> actually i've used a few
Aug 04 18:35:45 <klein> I've got a SPA-3102 that I want to setup with my NSLU2
Aug 04 18:35:55 <klein> gonna install asterisk on the nslu2
Aug 04 18:36:16 <klein> hopefully it can handle the load
Aug 04 18:36:35 <klein> I just wish it had more memory
Aug 04 18:36:40 <klein> 64mb rather than 32
Aug 04 18:39:29 <kapookee> I googled spa-1302 and all I got was spa panels.  :)
Aug 04 18:40:17 <klein> wrong number
Aug 04 18:40:18 <klein> :)
Aug 04 18:40:38 <klein> SPA-3102
Aug 04 18:41:29 <klein> gonna set it up so that all voice calls to my google talk account are routed to my analog phone
Aug 04 18:42:25 <kapookee> ah!  yea that works.  :-/
Aug 04 18:42:57 <klein> it does!
Aug 04 18:43:17 <klein> http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+Google+Talk
Aug 04 18:45:07 <kapookee> cool!
Aug 04 19:05:47 <mwester> DrJ: Check your router - I bet you have port 6789 from the internet forwarded to port 80, and you have not disabled the feature in your router that redirects internal traffic.
Aug 04 19:07:06 <DrJ> maybe
Aug 04 19:07:10 <DrJ> I did just get a new router
Aug 04 19:08:41 <DrJ> mwester
Aug 04 19:08:53 <DrJ> I'm trying to get X11 for the nslu2 to work
Aug 04 19:08:57 <DrJ> little confused at this step
Aug 04 19:09:12 <DrJ> Fifth, you are now ready for slugvision! Log into your slug with "ssh -X"; once you are logged in, try running "gtk-demo" or "vte". These graphical programs are running on your slug, but displaying on your X server system.
Aug 04 19:09:38 <DrJ> log into the slug with what?
Aug 04 19:13:57 <mwester> ssh
Aug 04 19:14:07 <DrJ> how do I get the GUI though
Aug 04 19:14:29 <DrJ> and how do I specify the -X parameter
Aug 04 19:14:35 <DrJ> I use putty
Aug 04 19:14:43 <mwester> Ah, there's the problem
Aug 04 19:15:22 <DrJ> X11 <-- 100% new to me
Aug 04 19:15:36 <mwester> Yes, I guessed ;)
Aug 04 19:15:46 <DrJ> :)
Aug 04 19:16:09 <mwester> X11 is very different from the Windows GUI model.
Aug 04 19:16:32 <DrJ> well, can you at least get me connected?
Aug 04 19:16:39 <mwester> To start, you need an X server -- this is a program that runs on a graphics device, and can draw on it.
Aug 04 19:16:49 <DrJ> yea
Aug 04 19:16:53 <DrJ> I downloaded two
Aug 04 19:16:58 <DrJ> Xming
Aug 04 19:17:02 <DrJ> no idea how to use that one
Aug 04 19:17:13 <DrJ> and Cywgin
Aug 04 19:17:22 <mwester> You have an X client, which you wish to run on the Slug -- the X client connects over the network to the X server, and issues instruction on what to draw.
Aug 04 19:17:44 <mwester> So, first you must install and configure your X server so that it is functioning.
Aug 04 19:18:10 <DrJ> I think I have Xming listning
Aug 04 19:18:51 <mwester> Then you need to fire up the X11 client program, such as "xterm" on the NSLU2, pointing it to the X server.  This is usually done with the "DISPLAY" env variable -- set it to something like "192.168.1.199:0.0" depending on the IP address and settings for the X server
Aug 04 19:19:17 <DrJ> so xterm DISPLAY=192.168.2.200
Aug 04 19:19:33 <mwester> ssh -X can do some of the setup for you, but it assumes you are running ssh from Linux, with an X server running on that box.  You'll have to do it all manually.
Aug 04 19:19:38 <mwester> No
Aug 04 19:19:50 <mwester> Check the X documentation
Aug 04 19:20:22 <mwester> The display is more than the IP, it includes the server number and device number, which are usually just "0.0"
Aug 04 19:20:39 <mwester> It might be different depending on how it runs on your windows box.
Aug 04 19:21:00 <DrJ> Xming Server: 0.0
Aug 04 19:21:26 <mwester> Good.  You still have to specify that.  DISPLAY=192.168.2.200:0.0
Aug 04 19:21:35 <mwester> Don't forget to export DISPLAY
Aug 04 19:21:43 <mwester> Then, perhaps, it will work.
Aug 04 19:21:51 <DrJ> [root@CUBS ~]$ gtk-demo 192.168.2.200:0.0
Aug 04 19:21:51 <DrJ> (gtk-demo:902): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
Aug 04 19:22:09 <mwester> There's more, right?
Aug 04 19:22:15 <DrJ> nope
Aug 04 19:22:23 <DrJ> goes back to prompt
Aug 04 19:23:03 <mwester> Ok.  Looks like it didn't see your DISPLAY variable -- it thinks it's blank.
Aug 04 19:23:11 <mwester> You did set it and *export* it, right?
Aug 04 19:23:19 <DrJ> no
Aug 04 19:24:06 <DrJ> [root@CUBS ~]$ gtk-demo 192.168.2.200:0.0
Aug 04 19:24:06 <DrJ> Xlib: connection to "192.168.2.200:0.0" refused by server
Aug 04 19:24:06 <DrJ> Xlib: No protocol specified
Aug 04 19:24:06 <DrJ> (gtk-demo:904): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
Aug 04 19:24:06 <DrJ> [root@CUBS ~]$
Aug 04 19:25:06 <DrJ> AUDIT: Sat Aug 04 15:23:58 2007: 2008 Xming: client 4 rejected from IP 192.168.2.100
Aug 04 19:25:18 <DrJ> :(
Aug 04 19:25:32 <mwester> Check the documentation for your server -- on a linux machine you would use "xhost +192.168.2.100" or similar to permit that client to open windows on that display.
Aug 04 19:26:25 <mwester> or just "xhost +" to turn off all authentication, which is easier.
Aug 04 20:00:27 <klein> got a question, if someone has an x server setup, is it possible to have an app pop-up in their screen by specifying their ip address in the display variable?
Aug 04 20:05:22 <mwester> klein: depends on the security settings on the X server.
Aug 04 20:05:40 <mwester> If the X server is set up to support that, then that's exactly what X does.
Aug 04 20:06:03 <klein> cool
Aug 04 21:06:42 <Slick_> hello all
Aug 04 21:06:46 <Slick_> anyone acive?
Aug 04 21:11:13 <kapookee> barely awake!
Aug 04 21:13:36 <caplink811-log> ~ask
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Aug 04 21:16:44 <Slick_> I was just wondering if anyone had heard of and was interesting the the NAS200 platform
Aug 04 21:16:58 <Slick_> I know the page just got up but I've ben looking into it for a few days now
Aug 04 21:48:48 <unlink> kestrel: i picked up a usb nic
Aug 04 21:53:55 <mwester> Slick_: it's just a 486 intel type processor, with 32 MB of RAM.  Not particularly interesting; I'm rather dissapointed.
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