**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 08 02:59:57 2007
Aug 08 06:48:26 <xkr47> weeeh, my openmoko phones are shipping! hooray!
Aug 08 09:31:40 <jelle> is it possible/easy to install cvs server on openslug?
Aug 08 09:33:14 <xkr47> shouldn't be a problem
Aug 08 09:33:16 <ch4os_> its possible;)
Aug 08 09:36:41 <jelle> just ipkg install cvs?
Aug 08 09:36:51 <xkr47> yeah.. and then conf..
Aug 08 09:37:20 * xkr47 wonders if svn would be feasible
Aug 08 09:38:03 <jelle> not sure if svn works with ecplise
Aug 08 09:39:02 <xkr47> yeah, it does, if you add a plugin.. subversive or what was it called
Aug 08 09:39:41 <jelle> right
Aug 08 09:39:49 <xkr47> but I wonder whether running a svn server is troublesome to set up or if it hogs a lot of memory
Aug 08 09:42:35 <jelle> downloading cvs .... ;)
Aug 08 09:46:26 <jelle> oh. right. seems my slug has lost the dns...
Aug 08 09:46:44 <jelle> where did I have to set that again?
Aug 08 09:47:47 <Digii> is there onyone that can explain how to get lighttpd to work whit php? or have a good easy "howto"?
Aug 08 09:49:07 <ch4os_> http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/wiki/TutorialLighttpdAndPHP ?
Aug 08 09:49:32 <jelle> and: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/DeployPHPWebAppUsingFastCGI
Aug 08 09:50:07 <jelle> oh, sorry, you wanted an easy "howto", the latter is not easy.
Aug 08 09:50:09 <ch4os_> jelle /etc/resolv.conf or /etc/network/interfaces
Aug 08 09:52:36 <Digii> thx both of you :P
Aug 08 10:03:54 <jelle> ownloading cvs ...
Aug 08 10:06:10 <Digii> does it do any diffrens where i cgi.fix_pathinfo = 1 in php.ini?
Aug 08 10:27:00 <xkr47> Digii, I just put it at the end
Aug 08 10:27:48 <Digii> ok
Aug 08 10:30:09 <ch4os_> xkr47 how much did u pay for your neo1973 ?
Aug 08 10:31:44 <xkr47> I ordered 3 basic ones, $300 each, $82 shipping to finland and after that there's still 22% VAT to be paid and some additional ups charge around $10-20
Aug 08 10:31:51 <jelle> hm. how do I configure cvs? I can;t find a cvspserver program, just cvs
Aug 08 10:32:02 <jelle> (after ipkg installing cvs)
Aug 08 10:32:24 <xkr47> jelle, you need xinetd or inetd
Aug 08 10:32:31 <jelle> oh. ok
Aug 08 10:32:32 <ch4os_> hm shipping is quite expensive :/
Aug 08 10:32:40 <xkr47> then you configure /etc/xinetd.d/cvspserver or similar
Aug 08 10:32:49 <xkr47> (you might have that already)
Aug 08 10:34:13 <xkr47> ch4os_, yeah, that's why I collected two other guys from finland and did a group order
Aug 08 10:34:37 <ch4os_> i'll wait for some discounts;) 
Aug 08 10:34:43 <xkr47> shipping for just one phone is slightly cheaper
Aug 08 10:35:23 <xkr47> jelle, the most important part in /etc/xinetd.d/cvspserver is to change "disable" to "no"
Aug 08 10:35:44 <jelle> lol   that sounds reasonable
Aug 08 10:36:08 <xkr47> and probably you want to change "disable" to "yes" in all other files in /etc/xinet.d
Aug 08 10:47:16 <Digii> how do i find php-cgi?   find php-cgi doesent work
Aug 08 11:38:34 <Digii> isnt tha package php5-cgi avalibel?
Aug 08 11:46:20 <Digii> really strange, isnt is suppose to exist? php5-cgi
Aug 08 11:47:16 <ch4os_> there is such package in debian :)
Aug 08 11:47:28 <ch4os_> but i don't know what you are using
Aug 08 11:47:37 <Digii> 2unslung
Aug 08 11:47:41 <Digii> unslung
Aug 08 11:47:57 <Digii> isnt there any php cgi for unslung?
Aug 08 11:48:35 <ch4os_> dunno
Aug 08 11:49:00 <Digii> damn
Aug 08 11:49:04 <Digii> that sux :S
Aug 08 11:49:11 <Digii> really hard :D
Aug 08 11:49:30 <ch4os_> thats why debian is great :P
Aug 08 11:49:40 <Digii> hehe yea
Aug 08 11:49:46 <Digii> i guess
Aug 08 11:50:23 <Digii> mhm what now :P do i hafto reinstall everything if i want php on my server now :/
Aug 08 11:55:33 <Digii> if i install debian, will the old install of unslung be removed, so its not so many files left from it?
Aug 08 11:55:55 <Digii> and will stuff like movies and song on the harddriv be removed?
Aug 08 11:56:26 <Lunar_Lamp> I think it would probably be expected that you wipe the whol system clean before you start, yes.
Aug 08 11:56:38 <Lunar_Lamp> (unless you know what you're doing and can fiddle around well enough)
Aug 08 11:58:03 <Digii> but while installing the disk isnt suppose to be connected?
Aug 08 11:59:25 <Lunar_Lamp> There are two stages; sorting the slug out, and then putting the files debian needs onto the hard drive.
Aug 08 11:59:41 <Digii> hmm
Aug 08 11:59:42 <Digii> yea
Aug 08 12:00:14 <Digii> might aswell delete everything then :P really need php-cgi so
Aug 08 12:00:27 <Lunar_Lamp> Well, you can ofc back them up somewhere else.
Aug 08 12:00:39 <Lunar_Lamp> Or partition the drive, and install to a different partition to where your data is currently.
Aug 08 12:01:06 <Lunar_Lamp> (lunch)
Aug 08 12:03:29 <Digii> yea =) its not so much =) just like 10gb so i can transfer them to my hdd on comp
Aug 08 13:47:06 <xkr47> Digii, isn't there some php already in unslung by default ?
Aug 08 13:47:22 <xkr47> isn't the menu system done with php ? (I'm just guessing here, but maybe worth to check)
Aug 08 13:48:54 <Digii> yea, but i need php-cgi to make it work whit lighttpd
Aug 08 14:10:32 <xkr47> ok if you must :)
Aug 08 14:10:55 <Digii> lighttpd "howto" says i do :P
Aug 08 14:11:05 <xkr47> I meant if you must use lighttpd :)
Aug 08 14:12:10 <xkr47> annnyway.. many of the firmwares available are not full linux distros and thus lack many packages.. If you know how, you can always compile it yourself
Aug 08 14:12:22 <Digii> aah i dont hafto :P but apache uses to much mem appweb is bugged
Aug 08 14:12:56 <xkr47> if you're lazy and don't mind that debian is a lot heavier firmware than the others and you have the diskspace, then debian is a nice alternative
Aug 08 14:14:57 <Digii> is it ALOT more heavier firmware?
Aug 08 14:15:52 <Digii> or is it not that noticed for commun use lite www, irc-bot, ftp, and as a network diskspace?
Aug 08 14:18:35 * xkr47 wants to apologize his harsh words.. by "full linux distros" I meant "linux distros with all the packages that you usually expect from a normal PC linux distro"
Aug 08 14:19:29 <xkr47> well I'm not that well into the firmware really, the openslug & unslung are probably optimized for memory efficiency and have some typically unnecessary stuff stripped out
Aug 08 14:21:09 <xkr47> I tried unslung first, then openslug and now I'm trying debian
Aug 08 14:22:01 <xkr47> I have a 2G usb memory stick and for my purposes the slug will be fast enough even if debian would be heavier.
Aug 08 14:23:48 <Digii> whats your purpose for the unslung?
Aug 08 14:32:44 <xkr47> my purpose?
Aug 08 14:36:35 <jelle> what is the package name of subversion?  (ipkg install _what_)
Aug 08 15:52:45 <rabinath> Good evening, I just gethered some expirience points in using softwareraid with my slug. I also spent some more time with lvm and devicemapper.
Aug 08 18:31:53 <digii_> whats the easiest way to install debian on nslu2? Or is it only one way?
Aug 08 18:56:38 <ch4os_> Digii there is only one way
Aug 08 19:01:28 <digii_> okey
Aug 08 19:24:32 <digii_> where can i get the debian release proprietary IXP4xx microcode incoded?
Aug 08 19:27:01 <ch4os_> http://www.slug-firmware.net/
Aug 08 19:28:33 <digii_> is it the debian/nslu2 link? doesent say is has it, or is it the openWRT ?
Aug 08 19:29:44 <ch4os_> http://www.slug-firmware.net/d-dls.php
Aug 08 19:29:47 <ch4os_> click debian-4.0r0.zip
Aug 08 19:29:51 <ch4os_> accept EULA
Aug 08 20:02:33 <digii_> is it best to use a flash usb disk for linux system?
Aug 08 20:11:32 <ch4os_> it's good choice if u have spare flash disk ;) i put my debian on hdd
Aug 08 20:16:19 <mwester> digii_: no.
Aug 08 20:16:38 <mwester> Use a hard drive; a flash disk is a compromise in very many ways.
Aug 08 20:16:50 <digii_> ok =)
Aug 08 20:17:28 <digii_> just figured it would be faster and save the disk longer since the disk wont spin if not used by sestem
Aug 08 20:18:38 <digii_> hmm before the install, do i need to formate the disk or will it do that in the installation?
Aug 08 20:18:52 <hlD> MAX 232 CPE :: RS232-Driver <- right one for the serial connection to the nslu?
Aug 08 20:23:03 <ch4os_> digii_ u can power off hd when it's unused, flash consume less power, and produce less noise ;)
Aug 08 20:25:38 <digii_> yea it was the noise i was hoping to get ridoff when using a flash disk
Aug 08 20:28:13 <ch4os_> flash drive has only one disadvantage, write limit, u can write data on each sector about 300k times;) but itsn't big problem i guess
Aug 08 20:30:06 <digii_> hehe yea 300k times :P how many tries do u think i need to install this ;)
Aug 08 20:30:16 <digii_> maybe 5 if im really stupid :P
Aug 08 20:30:33 <ch4os_> new flash drives has limit about 1mil ;)
Aug 08 20:31:05 <digii_> hehe ;)
Aug 08 20:31:25 <digii_> everytime i update install or somethink i write data right?
Aug 08 20:31:37 <ch4os_> hmm 
Aug 08 20:31:45 <ch4os_> yes...
Aug 08 20:32:04 <ch4os_> but remember that u write data at various sectors;) 
Aug 08 20:32:09 <digii_> so if u use screen and a irc client :P 1mil isnt so much if its on about 6 month :P
Aug 08 20:32:33 <ch4os_> it's hard to write data 300k times on single sector ;)
Aug 08 20:32:44 <digii_> thats true :P
Aug 08 20:33:10 <hlD> some big logging (irc), system logging...
Aug 08 20:33:28 <hlD> how about a swap? ^^
Aug 08 20:34:12 <digii_> on the har disk drive?
Aug 08 20:34:17 <ch4os_> swap could be a problem
Aug 08 20:34:25 <digii_> howcome?
Aug 08 20:34:48 <hlD> no, thought about the flash drive...
Aug 08 20:34:55 <digii_> ok
Aug 08 20:35:09 <digii_> but why would the swap on flash be a problem?
Aug 08 20:35:25 <hlD> if it swaps on to the stick...
Aug 08 20:35:56 <digii_> yea?
Aug 08 20:36:04 <hlD> hrm... which capacitators do i need for the max3232 ?!
Aug 08 20:36:14 <hlD> it writes a big amount of data?
Aug 08 20:36:44 <digii_> yea but a new flash disk is about 2gb big, that should be more the good?
Aug 08 20:37:03 <digii_> then good *
Aug 08 20:37:12 <hlD> but it will kill sector after sector?
Aug 08 20:37:31 <digii_> thats true =/
Aug 08 20:37:46 <digii_> to bad, a flashdisk for the system would be good
Aug 08 20:37:49 <ch4os_> my slug uses only about 5mb of swap ;) so i think it isn't used very often
Aug 08 20:38:26 <digii_> used much if use it as torrent downloader as i do
Aug 08 20:40:17 <digii_> can always try it on a flash disk i guess :P no harm in that
Aug 08 20:41:57 <digii_> but, if i install it on hd, do i need to formate is first, or whill debian installation do that?
Aug 08 20:42:50 <ch4os_> u can do that during installation
Aug 08 20:43:01 <digii_> ok good
Aug 08 20:53:45 <digii_> no disk should be connected when starting the installer thrue web insterface?
Aug 08 22:01:35 <jelle> what is the package name for subversion?
Aug 08 22:01:39 <jelle> for openslug
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